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Like in the world you need to know things what Are For sure.
First detect things what Are For sure then you Will remove emotions and do calculations what is the truth.
For example:
We have sky and earth and gravity law.
We have sure thing gravity but not sure earth or sky.
So we follow by this we Will know that sky is temporary but earth is one day for sure.

Now same thing like geo political powers If something going on in the world we know that USA Are boss of the world anything else can happening but USA sure thing boss. So then we know it's imposdible to attack USA by military becouse BOSS is boss
World Are run from where ?
Off course from new York and chicago.


Now If we look that way trading and Investment we know sure thing Are WHALES whales Are king in Investment markets and trading.

What whales want ?
People think whales want money...no whales get money from their Banker buddies.

Whales want assets they want crypto they want real estate and they want FTT coins.
How to get asssets?
Fud fear and more fear and If people don't sell then more fear and fud must come until the strongest people Will give their assets away for cheap to whales.
They don't want your money they have their own
Whales want your assets bull can not start until most of the people are scared to sell.

If anything happens you always look first the things what is for sure then you know everthing else.

If you read over everything you said here you see you are contracting yourself that whales don't want money, how is that possible when the whales cause panic in the market by creating unnecessary fud and small hodlers take a cash out exchanging with waiting whale. You are simply not understanding what you are saying if you say whales don't want money or coins. Every rich person wants more to maintain the standard, whether a philanthropist or miser.

Because that's what they really want. They want to have more money so that they can get more assets and have more cash flow for which will make them easy money through passive income.

And as I know with most whales or big businessmen or investors, they're actually buddies with the bank. It is because the bank knows their net worth and they want to give them piles of cash for them to earn from them with interest.

While these whales knows a lot of avenue to invest that money and will make them free money.

Though all you've said was right, the first thing that you must consider first before proceeding with such activity is to choose the right exchange, don't fool those centralized exchangers that have a good offer, if you heard a lot of drama on FTX and Binance this might put to your bucket list upon selecting a good exchange.

All I can say with this is to understand what is crypto and learn the movement of the crypto market.
Whales are nothing if we aren't afraid of them, there are too many ways how to manipulate the market and whales have different strategies for that.
Just buy and hold it for a long-term purpose.

Not true. Whales are same with smaller trader and investors. The difference is they use their money and asset to affect the market the way they wanted it to be. You could say that they can manipulate some of the event or outcome based on the market movement. They just ride the news that splurge the community.

One thing is for sure they also make mistakes and given an opposite result and not all the time they can win it.

If whales do not want money then why do they do investment, trading, manipulation etc? Whales get money from their banker buddies then from where do their banker buddies get money? Do you know who are the biggest whales in bitcoin? Country like china, USA and companies like microstrategy, tesla. These are big companies and what they do they do for money. It's all about making money and most people in crypto do not care about technology or use cases.

He just said the reason why. They invest because they want the assets but they can't just hodl these assets forever as that doesn't make sense. Once the value of the assets they invest increases by so many folds, that's going to be the time that they will sell it for cash.

Cash or money is still the number one reason for all of this. There are people who enters in crypto because they want to invest/trade and make money but I think the number of people who care for the technology behind cryptos are still more than them. We should give credits to them because if not them then cryptos won't be known and won't be big as what we are seeing now.

Whales are not controlling the market which means they are not KING, they only have some influence to move the price up and down. Like they use their money to risk and manipulate the price and then make a profit from it. Their strategy isn't new to us and the idea is great for me. In fact, we are also thankful to them for their influence as it helps the market more alive and trading is continuous.

More volatile = more possible profit.

Well, I'm not sure what really happens in the market in the absence of these whales.

They cannot move the market for theirselves but rather the use fud like spreading bad news thru media sites they paid so that they can spread out fear to the people for them to dump their own positions or holdings. Although this is quite crazy but somehow effective since we see several times market dumps when there's big issue happened, so we need to be smart and ride always with the news since from this we can earn if accumulation stage will happen.

The pope manipulates any news well and they even have a special media that is used to spread some FUD san News that is deliberately made. The pope gains a lot from the manipulation. The whales will buy more bitcoins when the market has crashed enough, when they have bought they will start to manipulate the market again. Our psychology as small traders will also be played.
and as for some of the wrongs, the pope has committed, of course it could have happened. Because nothing will work perfectly, the crypto market cannot be completely controlled either. The Pope wants a lot of profit in every market movement.

Whales are mostly the big time investors in crypto and with their huge amount of investments that they are hodling, they will always try to manipulate the market so that the weak investors will panic and start selling their coins, and that’s when whales buy their assets at their own advantage. Some have succeeded while others end up failing, as they are just like regular traders that won’t succeed the market all the time.

They are also the easiest to make money in any season of the market. They will load their bags in the market and they can see the movement that they can make to influence it.

There's no difference between the whales and us normal traders in the market. Sometimes they also become rekt with their decisions but they can easily go back to their former state and recover those losses. That's the advantage of being a whale or having lots of capital.

Yes and even true cause some whales didnt expect that there are other whales too on their opposite side of the market. They arent coordinate with regards to their plan and obviously watching also each others movement. When one notice a very big downfall that this whale is trying to do, of course he will check his power and asset if he can manipulate also their competitors. Basically its all about money, the more you have the more chances to succeed on luring others.

Your theory will be correct if all the money in the market is linked, meaning that for every cryptocurrency or token there is a cash/gold equivalent for it, which is something that does not happen in most cases.

What happened is mismanagement, greed, and manipulation of users' money and spending it on unnecessary things, and then with a small stroke or default on a debt or financial position, all things will collapse.

These things above need access to information that the average trader cannot access, but with tracking the news, he can reduce his losses, and then we must say that it is better not to leave our money in the platforms.

I'm sorry OP but I don't believe that whales don't need money, Because I believe in the saying "The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer"

Whales, if they don't need money, surely whales don't waste time investing in business investments. For example, whales will buy here in cryptocurrency, do you think that if crypto is not exchanged for real money like bitcoin and others, will these whale investors still invest?
I am pretty sure they won't invest in it.

On the other hand, besides having a lot of money, a whale must also have the knowledge to influence many people, so they can influence the psychology of more people to buy according to the directions of the whales. after the price has experienced a pump, they will smile to take profits, while the victims are those who are greedy, and cannot think logically about market movements

Correct but that is the easy part, you do not need to be a genius to know that when something as big as what it is happening to the FTX exchange happens then the whales are going to take advantage of it, and that is assuming they found out about it just like us, which is not true as it is likely the whales knew about the circumstances of the FTX exchange days or even weeks in advance which allowed them to plan their movements and crash the market at will.

Whales want more money from us. But we also have the choice not just to give it to the whales because if we can see a gap that we can take advantage of, we can get benefits like the whales. Whales want to spread fear in many people but if we can try to analyze and find something underneath it all, we can use them like whales. And by having more information from various sources, we can find out what the whales really want so that we can follow behind the whales and, in the end, we can get that profit.

In trading you must have a strong strategy and never rely on what you see around the space especially if its negative, wherein always bear in mind to make research to obtain more information.  And also stop overthinking as well about your trade if you see some changes and it didn't go well base on your technical analysis because you will end up losses afterwards. Be smart and focus on your strategies always especially if it's proven and tested and still can give you a good winning percentage in every trade.

If all your analysis is not giving you good results, it might be better if you stay out of the market for a while because if you keep pushing yourself, you may only suffer losses.
This is one that you should avoid in trading. Because the market situation will also change more often, you must have another strategy to overcome or adapt to the market situation.
And for the time being, the market situation is still like this and this can make it difficult for us to analyze, especially if we need better analytical skills.
In trading, there will always be good and bad moments that we can use to our advantage so that we don't need to enter the market if the situation is not good.

The ability to analyze should not depend on the situation on the market, the analysis should just help determine the further movement of the market, if success in this is not very good, then you need to devote more time to learning. It is not easy and even experienced traders can make mistakes, some try to trade only in a growing market, how many people - so many strategies can be.

what we need to pay attention to, even experienced traders sometimes do wrong analysis, but how can they still survive, I think of course discipline in analysis is very influential, they dare to cut losses because it doesn't match the analysis of market movements, this kind of mental attitude that not all traders can do . even though the opportunity will come many times, but sometimes we don't cut losses if it doesn't suit our framework, because we want every trading transaction to end in profit

And when whale fails to manage it properly the whole market crashes like FTX. Lolz.
That’s really funny but it’s not when crashes like that happen. It’s money of average trader which is playing the games really. A whale could be institutional investor or it could be hidden government fishy plots playing the market in their favour. The times are really bad and we do not know who’s behind all this in the current situation.

However, remarkable example of whale is Elon Musk. That guy literally moved DOGE to unimaginable rates per coin and made millions and millions. However, that’s public whale who doesn’t care about privacy.

That's so true.

Even the experienced traders are also getting mistakes and losing more than they have before. They're having the courage that they haven't got before and that's why they're eager to spend more time and larger capital because of what they've experienced before.

But not at all times their trades are winning. Analyzing the market is important whether you'll trade or will just hold it.

On the time that you had really gained that much experience and awareness on how this market moves or behaves then it would really be just normal that you would really be that able to know on what to do.

Yes, it doesnt really guarantee that you would make money or profits because this market is never been predictable on the first place.Trading could always be investing but only into a point which you do

really make a hold of a certain coin or asset.You could really be able to differentiate in between things basing on the action that you are really that making.
This is why its better to learn up things along the way on the time you've been keeping on doing trades.

Its about knowing everything, trading is not just about the whales because some whales are also losing money. Trading will more about the news, price trend and the chart analysis so if you will just focus about the whales movement, you might miss a lot of things. Losing is part of trading, all you have to do is to be more consistent with your trades, and avoid being hyped by any tokens or coins, stay within your strategy.

^This proves that there is no expert in trading nor investing, you cannot perfectly predict the market price where it will lead.
Analyzing the market to have accurate prediction is not easy, you need to have different sources from technical and fundamental analysis before you can guess but don't assume all of these are accurate, it seems it is the same guessing the market price.
However, I would rather choose to invest and hold it for the long run, I know BTC will always reach ATH and it will always happen in the market.

You'll also get to see on what you really are when you start trading, it's either you're an actual trader or just like to hold and be the passive investor that others have been doing.

Yeah, those are the fundamentals that every trader should be aware of. You can be good at any of them but not good with most of them. But to be aware and balance with most of those fundamentals, it's one key to your profitable trades.

We do and have the same preference. I've been trading and active on before but became not that much active when I've started to realize that it's easier to be an investor and less stress on what it does.

The ability to analyze depends on the situation and conditions in the market because all coins move up and down and that makes us have to be able to analyze based on the information we get from the charts and indicators we use.
All traders have the same experience where we often make mistakes in analyzing but that doesn't mean we will always fail in analyzing because if we keep learning, we will analyze well.
That will differentiate us from other traders because by continuing to learn, our analytical skills will definitely increase and will be useful in analyzing every movement in the market.
But if we feel that we have good skills and do not want to learn more, it won't take long to see the next mistake coming and we won't be able to turn a profit anymore.