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Title: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 16, 2022, 02:59:32 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Thomas Kralow on November 16, 2022, 03:16:54 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
After Musk took over Twitter, I admire his drastic reforms, solving complex problems in the simplest way. On the one hand, the traffic star brought in new users, but advertisers withdrew one after another. In terms of financial losses, only Twitter's financial department knows. But as a world-renowned social media and information explosion media, I don't want to be Musk's mouthpiece, because he is too inductive. Of course, I hope that Twitter can become a model of the WEB3 world, bringing new vitality and further development to the blockchain, Bitcoin, and encryption worlds.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Majestic-milf on November 16, 2022, 09:42:29 AM
Someplace where he wants it. A place where the platform becomes a "free speech" for all.(as long as it's legal tho). Before you know, Twitter will be raking in an annual revenue of $26.4bn up from it's $5bn. Quite lofty eh, well that's only what Elon Musk can do. Besides, no one has accused him of ever dreaming small.

 We all look on with bated breath and hope to see him turn Twitter to a standard where it would be so popular that it can almost beat the attention people give to Facebook and TikTok.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: worldofcoins on November 16, 2022, 09:43:47 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

Elon Musk is a businessman with a short and wide range of thinking and strategy making & a businessman doesn't invest in anything where he can't predict profits. In my opinion, he will lead twitter to a leading top site in terms of social interaction and profit making.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Anguwa on November 16, 2022, 02:13:04 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
Elon Musk is a businessman, and he only cares about making money, which is why all investors put money into his business. He will actually raise Twitter's standards above what they currently are; he may change it and add more cryptocurrency-related features that will make cryptocurrency advertising simpler and may also result in an excessive amount of Bitcoin adoption worldwide because Twitter is a social media platform that welcomes users from all over the world.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: OgNasty on November 16, 2022, 03:49:22 PM
He’s already stated that he wants to copy WeChat in China. Basically, he wants to implement payments into the Twitter app. Maybe you’ll be able to pay your bills directly and interact with companies regarding assistance directly on twitter. You’ll be able to easily tip meme creators and who knows what else. Maybe Twitter will replace YouTube, Cash App, Tik Tok, Discord, & Facebook all at once. That’s certainly the plan. How successful it will be is anyone’s guess.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Gyfts on November 16, 2022, 04:40:57 PM
If it's true Elon's losing 4M USD a day, he might file for bankruptcy and the company will collapse within itself soon enough. Problem with twitter is that it couldn't monetize its users to the extent facebook can so he'll have to rely on Twitter blue revenue which is 8 USD/month. Entire company is dependent on whether Twitter blue can generate sufficient revenue. That is to say, twitter is doomed.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Findingnemo on November 16, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
Actually the idea of getting blue tick with fee is a big failure and already they stopped this due to lot of scams happened in a day or two after rolling out the new changes. Also the fired employees sued the company for not following their policies so its actually a lot of mess but what he gained is more attention for the platform so in future if everything backs to normal the users may increase.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Queentoshi on November 16, 2022, 07:56:44 PM
... users may increase.
May shows that there is no assurance of that. Some celebrities have already left twitter.
Quote
Shonda Rhimes, television producer

Not hanging around for whatever Elon has planned. Bye.

— shonda rhimes (@shondarhimes) October 29, 2022
Her decision to quit can man make some of the people who idolize her to quit twitter as well.

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Sara Bareilles, musician

Welp. It’s been fun Twitter. I’m out. See you on other platforms, peeps. Sorry, this one’s just not for me. ❤️🙏🏼

— Sara Bareilles (@SaraBareilles) October 30, 2022
We know how far music travels, and Sara Bareilles is a recognized figure in music because she is a grammy nominee and winner, there's no doubts that she will have a good fanbase.

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Ken Olin, actor, director, producer

Hey all -
I’m out of here. No judgement.
Let’s keep the faith.
Let’s protect our democracy.
Let’s try to be kinder.
Let’s try to save the planet.
Let’s try to be more generous.
Let’s look to find peace in the world.
💙

— Ken Olin (@kenolin1) October 28, 2022

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Toni Braxton, musician

I'm shocked and appalled at some of the "free speech" I've seen on this platform since its acquisition. Hate speech under the veil of "free speech" is unacceptable; therefore, I am choosing to stay off Twitter as it is no longer a safe space for myself, my sons and other POC.

— Toni Braxton (@tonibraxton) October 29, 2022
She needs no introduction, whosoever loves music know her.

It is very possible that many more people will still leave twitter if another competition comes up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/03/twitter-celebrities-leaving-elon-musk/



Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 16, 2022, 08:41:58 PM
He’s already stated that he wants to copy WeChat in China. Basically, he wants to implement payments into the Twitter app. Maybe you’ll be able to pay your bills directly and interact with companies regarding assistance directly on twitter. You’ll be able to easily tip meme creators and who knows what else. Maybe Twitter will replace YouTube, Cash App, Tik Tok, Discord, & Facebook all at once. That’s certainly the plan. How successful it will be is anyone’s guess.
Those are pretty bold predictions when you consider how this started. He didn't think it trough. In fact he didn't even want to buy it at the end. But that would have been breach of contract and he would have to pay $1 billion breakup fee. Mad skillz presented right there on thinking things through.

Now they are kicking employees who criticize the new leadership (https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/15/23460729/elon-musk-fire-twitter-engineers-dissent), so i guess he is pro free speech if it suits him. And the amount of things they f*ed up is so huge it needs many pages of text so i usually pick the latest one.

I certainly HOPE that twitter doesn't burn to the ground but start wasn't optimal and it's not like he is making friends with the great minds who should be working in twitter.

Considering that things wasn't doing that good before he bought it, i really thought he wouldn't make things worse. But we'll see. At least we have still thriving crypto twitter and i see that as very important platform for us, but currently my feed is Musk fanbois, which is annoying.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: ingiltere on November 16, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

I think Twitter was already a dying place but after Elon bought it he has a plan to save the app. Changing staff is pretty normal to me, I don't understand why it should be an important news. Paid membership for blue tick is a nice move, if people want to be verified then they should pay. I heard they are losing too much money and that's understandable. Their advertisement system is ineffective, it should be rewritten. I guess Twitter has another chance to stay relevant after Elon's move, otherwise it could've died in a couple of years.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 17, 2022, 02:39:10 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
After Musk took over Twitter, I admire his drastic reforms, solving complex problems in the simplest way. On the one hand, the traffic star brought in new users, but advertisers withdrew one after another. In terms of financial losses, only Twitter's financial department knows. But as a world-renowned social media and information explosion media, I don't want to be Musk's mouthpiece, because he is too inductive. Of course, I hope that Twitter can become a model of the WEB3 world, bringing new vitality and further development to the blockchain, Bitcoin, and encryption worlds.

Ending financial loss and making profits are his motives to change Twitter dramatically. No doubt that what would make all these moves shortly after he bought Twitter. Judging from Elon's plans, it is hard to say that he will prosper the development of Web3 but using Web3 as a tool to reboost the profits and further develop his mater plan of exploring the universe is likely to be on his list.



Someplace where he wants it. A place where the platform becomes a "free speech" for all.(as long as it's legal tho). Before you know, Twitter will be raking in an annual revenue of $26.4bn up from it's $5bn. Quite lofty eh, well that's only what Elon Musk can do. Besides, no one has accused him of ever dreaming small.

 We all look on with bated breath and hope to see him turn Twitter to a standard where it would be so popular that it can almost beat the attention people give to Facebook and TikTok.

It's true that Elon has a great vision, a vision that can probably take us to a far more interesting and diverse place. Whether Twitter can beat Facebook and TikTok and transfer their fans to its fanbase depends on how well Twitter can become more professional and diverse in terms of all the advantages Facebook and TikTok have. We'll see and let's take our time. No good things ever die.



Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

Elon Musk is a businessman with a short and wide range of thinking and strategy making & a businessman doesn't invest in anything where he can't predict profits. In my opinion, he will lead twitter to a leading top site in terms of social interaction and profit making.


Well, a businessman does not have to make profits only in short term, doesn't he ?  Elon will be likely to lead Twitter to a much higher position in the future and I only see profit-making as a means to achieve that goal, not the other way around. Cheers.



Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
Elon Musk is a businessman, and he only cares about making money, which is why all investors put money into his business. He will actually raise Twitter's standards above what they currently are; he may change it and add more cryptocurrency-related features that will make cryptocurrency advertising simpler and may also result in an excessive amount of Bitcoin adoption worldwide because Twitter is a social media platform that welcomes users from all over the world.

I guess Elon Musk is more than a businessman ? To make money is to make sure Twitter survives. Your views about the prospect of Twitter are understandbale. I also believe that the infusion of the more crypto projects on Twitter will generate more positive outcoome. Let's sit tight and be patient.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: tsaroz on November 17, 2022, 03:30:30 AM
Twitter was dying. Not making a profit. Musk is known for bringing back near dead projects. His ways might seems unusual but he gives his best not to fail. I believe twitter would be more popular under his leadership.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 17, 2022, 03:34:07 AM
He’s already stated that he wants to copy WeChat in China. Basically, he wants to implement payments into the Twitter app. Maybe you’ll be able to pay your bills directly and interact with companies regarding assistance directly on twitter. You’ll be able to easily tip meme creators and who knows what else. Maybe Twitter will replace YouTube, Cash App, Tik Tok, Discord, & Facebook all at once. That’s certainly the plan. How successful it will be is anyone’s guess.

Exactly. This answer is likely the key to all possibilities. What Elon has been doing about Twitter is absolutely radical. On one hand, he is lavishly firing staff, trying to reduce costs and make sure Twitter survives. Membership that will have to be paid $8/month is touching the serves of many users. I may not like this but it is fully understandable from the point of managing a business. On the other hand, all the new features /modifications & rules on Twitter have transformed it into a new machine that users have to learn to control. I share the open views of all possibilities. Only one concern from now: consistency. No matter how good Twitter may become, please at least maintain all the good things at core. Otherwise even loyal fans will walk away.



If it's true Elon's losing 4M USD a day, he might file for bankruptcy and the company will collapse within itself soon enough. Problem with twitter is that it couldn't monetize its users to the extent facebook can so he'll have to rely on Twitter blue revenue which is 8 USD/month. Entire company is dependent on whether Twitter blue can generate sufficient revenue. That is to say, twitter is doomed.

If Twitter were only dependent on Twitter blue revenue, it would be still unstable in the long term and of course it's doomed. What if Elon brings more revenue channels and makes the revenues continuous ? It seems like he is doing some experiment on Twitter and we'll have to wait for the final result.



Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
Actually the idea of getting blue tick with fee is a big failure and already they stopped this due to lot of scams happened in a day or two after rolling out the new changes. Also the fired employees sued the company for not following their policies so its actually a lot of mess but what he gained is more attention for the platform so in future if everything backs to normal the users may increase.

Agree. Basically what happened in the few weeks signals a new era in Twitter's history. All the negative things are like a big blood loss for the body and Elon is trying to infuse new blood in time. The body itself is not dead, the only question is whether the new blood is going to work soon. If the transition period is safe to pass, Twitter will be thriving like its prime. If not, tragedy may happen.



... users may increase.
May shows that there is no assurance of that. Some celebrities have already left twitter.
Quote
Shonda Rhimes, television producer

Not hanging around for whatever Elon has planned. Bye.

— shonda rhimes (@shondarhimes) October 29, 2022
Her decision to quit can man make some of the people who idolize her to quit twitter as well.

Quote
Sara Bareilles, musician

Welp. It’s been fun Twitter. I’m out. See you on other platforms, peeps. Sorry, this one’s just not for me. ❤️🙏🏼

— Sara Bareilles (@SaraBareilles) October 30, 2022
We know how far music travels, and Sara Bareilles is a recognized figure in music because she is a grammy nominee and winner, there's no doubts that she will have a good fanbase.

Quote
Ken Olin, actor, director, producer

Hey all -
I’m out of here. No judgement.
Let’s keep the faith.
Let’s protect our democracy.
Let’s try to be kinder.
Let’s try to save the planet.
Let’s try to be more generous.
Let’s look to find peace in the world.
💙

— Ken Olin (@kenolin1) October 28, 2022

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Toni Braxton, musician

I'm shocked and appalled at some of the "free speech" I've seen on this platform since its acquisition. Hate speech under the veil of "free speech" is unacceptable; therefore, I am choosing to stay off Twitter as it is no longer a safe space for myself, my sons and other POC.

— Toni Braxton (@tonibraxton) October 29, 2022
She needs no introduction, whosoever loves music know her.

It is very possible that many more people will still leave twitter if another competition comes up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/03/twitter-celebrities-leaving-elon-musk/



All true. If the new changes may not go in the right direction, Twitter will be doomed. Is there any reliable source that can show all the user numbers Twitter gains and loses every month ? Just curious, no big deal.



He’s already stated that he wants to copy WeChat in China. Basically, he wants to implement payments into the Twitter app. Maybe you’ll be able to pay your bills directly and interact with companies regarding assistance directly on twitter. You’ll be able to easily tip meme creators and who knows what else. Maybe Twitter will replace YouTube, Cash App, Tik Tok, Discord, & Facebook all at once. That’s certainly the plan. How successful it will be is anyone’s guess.
Those are pretty bold predictions when you consider how this started. He didn't think it trough. In fact he didn't even want to buy it at the end. But that would have been breach of contract and he would have to pay $1 billion breakup fee. Mad skillz presented right there on thinking things through.

Now they are kicking employees who criticize the new leadership (https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/15/23460729/elon-musk-fire-twitter-engineers-dissent), so i guess he is pro free speech if it suits him. And the amount of things they f*ed up is so huge it needs many pages of text so i usually pick the latest one.

I certainly HOPE that twitter doesn't burn to the ground but start wasn't optimal and it's not like he is making friends with the great minds who should be working in twitter.

Considering that things wasn't doing that good before he bought it, i really thought he wouldn't make things worse. But we'll see. At least we have still thriving crypto twitter and i see that as very important platform for us, but currently my feed is Musk fanbois, which is annoying.

Somehow I share most of your views. To Elon Musk, I really have a love and hate feeling. The things that he has done about Twitter are not that good unitl now and I do hope that Twitter can finally go through the hard times. You know what my concern is ? With millions and millions of supporters saying nice things about him, Elon is likely to lose his mind, doing silly things. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

I think Twitter was already a dying place but after Elon bought it he has a plan to save the app. Changing staff is pretty normal to me, I don't understand why it should be an important news. Paid membership for blue tick is a nice move, if people want to be verified then they should pay. I heard they are losing too much money and that's understandable. Their advertisement system is ineffective, it should be rewritten. I guess Twitter has another chance to stay relevant after Elon's move, otherwise it could've died in a couple of years.

Completely agree. I guess changing staff is normal and layoff 50% is the point why so many people are offended and irritated. Charging blue tick membership is no big deal but for most people, they'd rather throw 5 or 10 dollars for a cup of coffee than spend $8/month for social media membership.I just don't get it. Too bad that their advertisement system failed so Twitter has to be where it is now. If Elon could not save Twitter in the near future, everything would be going to collapse.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Findingnemo on November 17, 2022, 02:45:54 PM
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You're right though, many celebrities chose to stay away from Twitter but if you think about that in different perspective then its good for the community cause the influence will be lesser if there are less celebrity and it also will become an advantage for the Elon because he will gain more influence and he knows how to monetize that power and reap money from the platform or in another way simply using the fame.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Lucius on November 17, 2022, 03:09:53 PM
I deactivated my T account that I had since 2016 like many others who do not want to be part of a platform that under the guise of freedom of speech allows some things that were previously sanctioned and inappropriate. Someone buys the company and can do what they want, but the methods they use are far from what could be called humane, and I personally do not support that, nor do the hundreds of thousands who have already left the platform within just a few days of the takeover. And no, it is not the only social network of this type, there are dozens of alternatives that you can find using any search engine.

In the week after Elon Musk purchased Twitter for $44 billion, the social media platform lost more than 1.3 million users.

MIT Technology Review reported the firm Bot Sentinel, which tracks behavior on Twitter by analyzing more than 3.1 million accounts and their daily activity, “believes that around 877,000 accounts were deactivated and a further 497,000 were suspended between Oct. 27 and Nov. 1."


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 18, 2022, 02:07:26 AM
I deactivated my T account that I had since 2016 like many others who do not want to be part of a platform that under the guise of freedom of speech allows some things that were previously sanctioned and inappropriate. Someone buys the company and can do what they want, but the methods they use are far from what could be called humane, and I personally do not support that, nor do the hundreds of thousands who have already left the platform within just a few days of the takeover. And no, it is not the only social network of this type, there are dozens of alternatives that you can find using any search engine.

In the week after Elon Musk purchased Twitter for $44 billion, the social media platform lost more than 1.3 million users.

MIT Technology Review reported the firm Bot Sentinel, which tracks behavior on Twitter by analyzing more than 3.1 million accounts and their daily activity, “believes that around 877,000 accounts were deactivated and a further 497,000 were suspended between Oct. 27 and Nov. 1."

In summary, Twitter is not a platform that practices freedom of speech and all new changes will make things worse. Perhaps there is one more issue we may think about: if Twitter or any other social media won't be an embodiment of freedom of speech or anything, just a digital platform where you can only socailize with people, no advertisement, no political talks, no hatred speech, will things get better ? When we need fire to keep warm, it's better to keep this in mind that we may get burned by it.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Maestro75 on November 18, 2022, 09:30:20 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

What is happening at Twitter now is expected. You do not expect someone like Elon Musk to spend such a huge amount of cash on an app and not dictate what will happen there or fire some people, especially those who he felt prevented free press. Twitter will be in a better position with Elon running its control than it was. More changes are expected in time to come too.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: MainIbem on November 18, 2022, 10:42:51 AM
Personally I m sensing something not too good about the platform after the takeover of Elon Musk, coupled with the news I had he is also planning to charge $8 per month for checkmark on a users profile and this kept me wondering that what if a user fails to subscribe for the next month checkmark or tag what would then happened to their account?
was it to remove the checkmark (https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/gadgets-news/what-is-twitter-gray-checkmark-official-badge-that-elon-musk-launched-and-scrapped-in-hours/amp_articleshow/95432071.cms) or what would happen. The social media is not too pleasing to deal with present and I have not been on it for long now and there are two things involved either he faces to lose more users everyday by day or he also sells back to the previous owner due to mismanagement and poor planning coupled with sacking the previous staffs.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 18, 2022, 11:28:39 AM
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I guess changing staff is normal and layoff 50% is the point why so many people are offended and irritated. Charging blue tick membership is no big deal but for most people, they'd rather throw 5 or 10 dollars for a cup of coffee than spend $8/month for social media membership.I just don't get it. Too bad that their advertisement system failed so Twitter has to be where it is now. If Elon could not save Twitter in the near future, everything would be going to collapse.

Elon already withdrew that idea (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/twitter-suspends-8-subscription-program-after-fake-accounts-boom-3512988), because of all the fake accounts. It was stupid idea for many reasons but mainly for that. Others would be: It was free, there would be opening tor competition that would take the users in for free, one that wouldn't have draconian corporate culture, and one that people and advertisers would happily support. If facebook suddenly turned to paid version, there's no way people would use that anymore. Users rather create telegram/discord groups and chat there. I personally wish that people would just use Reddit instead.

But i believe this won't end, Elon is just acting so erratic that he could just cut his losses, and as he won't be getting back advertisements under his command he could even sell twitter forward or something.

Anyway, this train wreck has been hilarious to watch:

https://i.imgur.com/Ru5TCOx.png

Latest tweet probably sums up how this will go:

https://i.imgur.com/3FW7Kli.png


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Cryptock on November 18, 2022, 11:50:31 PM
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I guess changing staff is normal and layoff 50% is the point why so many people are offended and irritated. Charging blue tick membership is no big deal but for most people, they'd rather throw 5 or 10 dollars for a cup of coffee than spend $8/month for social media membership.I just don't get it. Too bad that their advertisement system failed so Twitter has to be where it is now. If Elon could not save Twitter in the near future, everything would be going to collapse.

Elon already withdrew that idea (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/twitter-suspends-8-subscription-program-after-fake-accounts-boom-3512988), because of all the fake accounts. It was stupid idea for many reasons but mainly for that. Others would be: It was free, there would be opening tor competition that would take the users in for free, one that wouldn't have draconian corporate culture, and one that people and advertisers would happily support. If facebook suddenly turned to paid version, there's no way people would use that anymore. Users rather create telegram/discord groups and chat there. I personally wish that people would just use Reddit instead.

But i believe this won't end, Elon is just acting so erratic that he could just cut his losses, and as he won't be getting back advertisements under his command he could even sell twitter forward or something.

Anyway, this train wreck has been hilarious to watch:

https://i.imgur.com/Ru5TCOx.png

Latest tweet probably sums up how this will go:

https://i.imgur.com/3FW7Kli.png
Lol - Elon has to be careful while firing all the people
he has to keep some to save his life - haha


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: sovie on November 18, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
I think - things will be better - it is a tough time for the Musk but with the new hiring things will be better soon.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 19, 2022, 12:05:36 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
twitter is in hot waters due to hundreds of resignation if the boss is not right so are the workers


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 19, 2022, 06:05:22 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

What is happening at Twitter now is expected. You do not expect someone like Elon Musk to spend such a huge amount of cash on an app and not dictate what will happen there or fire some people, especially those who he felt prevented free press. Twitter will be in a better position with Elon running its control than it was. More changes are expected in time to come too.

It's almost inevitable for Elon Musk to be a dictator in some way. To be honest, I don't care whether dictatorship is good or not generally. As long as it does work in its own way, I have no problem. If all the changes have continued in a good way, Twitter will be great.

Personally I m sensing something not too good about the platform after the takeover of Elon Musk, coupled with the news I had he is also planning to charge $8 per month for checkmark on a users profile and this kept me wondering that what if a user fails to subscribe for the next month checkmark or tag what would then happened to their account?
was it to remove the s/m.timesofindia.com/gadgets-news/what-is-twitter-gray-checkmark-official-badge-that-elon-musk-launched-and-scrapped-in-hours/amp_articleshow/95432071.cms]checkmark (https://www.[Suspicious link removed) or what would happen. The social media is not too pleasing to deal with present and I have not been on it for long now and there are two things involved either he faces to lose more users everyday by day or he also sells back to the previous owner due to mismanagement and poor planning coupled with sacking the previous staffs.

Not sure about the authentic number of users lost every day but your second guess is somehow happening in another way. Couple of days ago after he fired some key management/engineering staff, he rehired Ligma & Johnson saying that he actuallly made a great mistake. I gusss some work has to be done by guys like Ligma & Johnson, huh ?


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I guess changing staff is normal and layoff 50% is the point why so many people are offended and irritated. Charging blue tick membership is no big deal but for most people, they'd rather throw 5 or 10 dollars for a cup of coffee than spend $8/month for social media membership.I just don't get it. Too bad that their advertisement system failed so Twitter has to be where it is now. If Elon could not save Twitter in the near future, everything would be going to collapse.

Elon already withdrew that idea (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/twitter-suspends-8-subscription-program-after-fake-accounts-boom-3512988), because of all the fake accounts. It was stupid idea for many reasons but mainly for that. Others would be: It was free, there would be opening tor competition that would take the users in for free, one that wouldn't have draconian corporate culture, and one that people and advertisers would happily support. If facebook suddenly turned to paid version, there's no way people would use that anymore. Users rather create telegram/discord groups and chat there. I personally wish that people would just use Reddit instead.

But i believe this won't end, Elon is just acting so erratic that he could just cut his losses, and as he won't be getting back advertisements under his command he could even sell twitter forward or something.

Anyway, this train wreck has been hilarious to watch:

https://i.imgur.com/Ru5TCOx.png

Latest tweet probably sums up how this will go:

https://i.imgur.com/3FW7Kli.png

Paid membership is controversial and I can understand this but firing & rehiring staff is so much annoying. I think nobody would ever be willing to get two surprising calls in a day !!





Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Maestro75 on November 19, 2022, 06:37:08 AM

What is happening at Twitter now is expected. You do not expect someone like Elon Musk to spend such a huge amount of cash on an app and not dictate what will happen there or fire some people, especially those who he felt prevented free press. Twitter will be in a better position with Elon running its control than it was. More changes are expected in time to come too.

It's almost inevitable for Elon Musk to be a dictator in some way. To be honest, I don't care whether dictatorship is good or not generally. As long as it does work in its own way, I have no problem. If all the changes have continued in a good way, Twitter will be great.

Whatever Elon Musk does with Twitter should not be seen as dictatorship. Anyone who feels that it is will only be hurting himself. It is his money and business and he should do whatever it takes to keep it going. If staff feel they are not happy with his decision they can leave on their own or get fired. There is no one that can put that type of cash on an investment and want to be soft with decisions. Businesses are not conducted like that or else it will collapse.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 19, 2022, 07:03:23 AM

What is happening at Twitter now is expected. You do not expect someone like Elon Musk to spend such a huge amount of cash on an app and not dictate what will happen there or fire some people, especially those who he felt prevented free press. Twitter will be in a better position with Elon running its control than it was. More changes are expected in time to come too.

It's almost inevitable for Elon Musk to be a dictator in some way. To be honest, I don't care whether dictatorship is good or not generally. As long as it does work in its own way, I have no problem. If all the changes have continued in a good way, Twitter will be great.

Whatever Elon Musk does with Twitter should not be seen as dictatorship. Anyone who feels that it is will only be hurting himself. It is his money and business and he should do whatever it takes to keep it going. If staff feel they are not happy with his decision they can leave on their own or get fired. There is no one that can put that type of cash on an investment and want to be soft with decisions. Businesses are not conducted like that or else it will collapse.

You are right. Can't say Elon is a dictator. He is just tough to make sure Twitter survives. I would do the same if I were him. Based on what he has achieved on, Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink etc, he has my trust and respect. Let's just wait for another positive outcome.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Gyfts on November 19, 2022, 08:41:32 AM
If it's true Elon's losing 4M USD a day, he might file for bankruptcy and the company will collapse within itself soon enough. Problem with twitter is that it couldn't monetize its users to the extent facebook can so he'll have to rely on Twitter blue revenue which is 8 USD/month. Entire company is dependent on whether Twitter blue can generate sufficient revenue. That is to say, twitter is doomed.

If Twitter were only dependent on Twitter blue revenue, it would be still unstable in the long term and of course it's doomed. What if Elon brings more revenue channels and makes the revenues continuous ? It seems like he is doing some experiment on Twitter and we'll have to wait for the final result.

I'm trying to imagine what that would look like but the recent news of the "twitter shutdown" seem very real with staff leaving and the company bleeding money.

Elon continually tweets that Twitter usage is at an all time high -- but those metrics are meaningless if advertisers are dropping twitter. If active users do not contribute to monetization of some sort, twitter's dead.

When I anticipated Twitter's demise, I had not factored in the employees packing up their bags and leaving the company to rot now that they had to actually do work instead of being paid to chat. I can only assume this will accelerate the downfall.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 19, 2022, 01:15:12 PM
When I anticipated Twitter's demise, I had not factored in the employees packing up their bags and leaving the company to rot now that they had to actually do work instead of being paid to chat. I can only assume this will accelerate the downfall.

If they haven't been doing actual work then it wouldn't matter if they leave. Have you been reading too much of Elon's self-aggrandizing tweeterage? Now that's a person who needs to "chat" less and work more. Starting from figuring out how a company he paid $40 billion of OPM for actually functions.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 19, 2022, 10:45:59 PM
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Paid membership is controversial and I can understand this but firing & rehiring staff is so much annoying. I think nobody would ever be willing to get two surprising calls in a day !!

It hasn't stopped there. Someone made an exposé about Elon lying about his credentials (https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368). Meaning he doesn't have a real degree in physics. That would explain his erratic behaviour and how he avoids explaining most things in public interviews. I've been listening some geniuses and how they dumb down their outbursts to level of a common man and elon doesn't do even that. He doesn't sound like highly educated man. I mean he basically single handedly killed the twitter funding. That's not a genius move.
https://i.imgur.com/QvolMlS.png



Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 19, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
When I anticipated Twitter's demise, I had not factored in the employees packing up their bags and leaving the company to rot now that they had to actually do work instead of being paid to chat. I can only assume this will accelerate the downfall.

If they haven't been doing actual work then it wouldn't matter if they leave. Have you been reading too much of Elon's self-aggrandizing tweeterage? Now that's a person who needs to "chat" less and work more. Starting from figuring out how a company he paid $40 billion of OPM for actually functions.
Musk reported that after the resignation - Friday was the day when twitter was the most used
There are merits and demerits - but it think Musk will take the twitter to a different level for sure


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Cryptock on November 19, 2022, 11:22:19 PM
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Paid membership is controversial and I can understand this but firing & rehiring staff is so much annoying. I think nobody would ever be willing to get two surprising calls in a day !!

It hasn't stopped there. Someone made an exposé about Elon lying about his credentials (https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368). Meaning he doesn't have a real degree in physics. That would explain his erratic behaviour and how he avoids explaining most things in public interviews. I've been listening some geniuses and how they dumb down their outbursts to level of a common man and elon doesn't do even that. He doesn't sound like highly educated man. I mean he basically single handedly killed the twitter funding. That's not a genius move.

I think there is a drama in this move as well. The moment musk too over people have switched to Twitter and its the highest in number - also if tesla was a success so will the twitter. Elon will control the future of communication


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Kavelj22 on November 19, 2022, 11:32:55 PM
Elon Musk succeeded in laying off thousands of Twitter employees by half, and promised the rest to change the working pattern with additional hours and reduce many privileges. He also made a proposal to sell the verified accounts badge to increase the company's resources.

It is clear here that Elon Musk is really seeking to increase the income of the company in which he paid that huge amount.

Reports indicate that the company has not achieved annual profits since 2010, except for the years 2018 and 2019, and its loss reached one billion and 300 million dollars in 2020. The company was actually losing, and Elon Musk was involved in its purchase if he did not intend to propose amendments in the interest of the company's profits . The old owners of the company were happy with Elon Musk's offer, and when he announced his withdrawal, they sued him, and this proves that the company was not of the size on which its price was evaluated. Now everyone is waiting for the amendments that Musk will add to achieve more profits, because he is still required to pay the interest of the loans he borrowed to complete the deal.
There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: meser# on November 19, 2022, 11:39:39 PM
Actually no one can knows it! Even Elon's himself :D If I wasn't wrong he find a solution in amid of an interview and probably he will do it. He can make a decision about new update in a toilet :DJoke aside ofcourse it won't be same as before but he will move it in his businessman way. More profitable, more updates and more WTFs :D


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: og kush420 on November 19, 2022, 11:55:12 PM
Actually no one can knows it! Even Elon's himself :D If I wasn't wrong he find a solution in amid of an interview and probably he will do it. He can make a decision about new update in a toilet :DJoke aside ofcourse it won't be same as before but he will move it in his businessman way. More profitable, more updates and more WTFs :D
twitter will not go anywhere - it will stay there.
Musk was a success in tesla - Musk will be a success in twitter as well. The letter T is his lucky letter :) I think he will be able to manage it well.
My good wishes with Elon Musk


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 20, 2022, 02:01:39 AM
employees packing up their bags and leaving the company to rot now that they had to actually do work instead of being paid to chat


https://i.snipboard.io/HQEeWh.jpg
https://i.snipboard.io/uPJbA3.jpg
https://i.snipboard.io/4oT9NF.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/95d9be2891ca9176f62cc53e46a366b5.png


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Gyfts on November 20, 2022, 02:28:36 AM
Orange Hitler's account has been reinstated! They wiped all of his followers through.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

IIRC Trump said he would stay on Truth Social, but if he wants his Presidential campaign to gain any sort of traction at all, he needs Twitter (which is slightly ironic considering, IMO, he lost the 2020 election due to his rampant unhinged tweets.) He needs to tone just slightly.

...

This person has a fantastic career as a screenwriter ahead of him.



Edit: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1849635/000119312522150801/d226205ds4.htm

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From December 22, 2021, until the expiration of 18 months thereafter, (the “TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term”), President Trump has agreed to first channel any and all social media communications and posts coming from his personal profile to the Truth Social platform before posting that same social media communication and/or post to any other social media platform that is not Truth Social (collectively, “Non-TMTG Social Media”) until the expiration of “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive” which means the period commencing when DJT posts any social media communication onto the Truth Social Platform and ending six (6) hours thereafter; provided that he may post social media communications from his personal profile that specifically relates to political messaging, political fundraising or get-out-the vote efforts at any time on any Non-TMTG social media platforms. Unless notice is given, the TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term extends in perpetuity for additional 180-day terms. In the event of a force majeure as described in the License Agreement that lasts longer than 30 days, President Trump shall have the right to invoke the suspension of the “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive.” If the Social Media Exclusivity Term were to expire but the License Agreement remained in effect, President Trump would be required to post contemporaneously to TruthSocial and Non-TMTG Social Media.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: og kush420 on November 20, 2022, 02:46:42 AM
Orange Hitler's account has been reinstated! They wiped all of his followers through.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

IIRC Trump said he would stay on Truth Social, but if he wants his Presidential campaign to gain any sort of traction at all, he needs Twitter (which is slightly ironic considering, IMO, he lost the 2020 election due to his rampant unhinged tweets.) He needs to tone just slightly.

...

This person has a fantastic career as a screenwriter ahead of him.



Edit: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1849635/000119312522150801/d226205ds4.htm

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From December 22, 2021, until the expiration of 18 months thereafter, (the “TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term”), President Trump has agreed to first channel any and all social media communications and posts coming from his personal profile to the Truth Social platform before posting that same social media communication and/or post to any other social media platform that is not Truth Social (collectively, “Non-TMTG Social Media”) until the expiration of “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive” which means the period commencing when DJT posts any social media communication onto the Truth Social Platform and ending six (6) hours thereafter; provided that he may post social media communications from his personal profile that specifically relates to political messaging, political fundraising or get-out-the vote efforts at any time on any Non-TMTG social media platforms. Unless notice is given, the TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term extends in perpetuity for additional 180-day terms. In the event of a force majeure as described in the License Agreement that lasts longer than 30 days, President Trump shall have the right to invoke the suspension of the “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive.” If the Social Media Exclusivity Term were to expire but the License Agreement remained in effect, President Trump would be required to post contemporaneously to TruthSocial and Non-TMTG Social Media.

Lots of people are blaming Musk - but i think people are selfish too. They would only look for money and nothing more nothing less.
When the company is failing people leave and when company is progressing people rush to them - 3/75 engineers have bright future - mark my words. These 3 engineers are smarter than 72 engineers.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 20, 2022, 03:24:51 AM
Orange Hitler's account has been reinstated! They wiped all of his followers through.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

IIRC Trump said he would stay on Truth Social, but if he wants his Presidential campaign to gain any sort of traction at all, he needs Twitter (which is slightly ironic considering, IMO, he lost the 2020 election due to his rampant unhinged tweets.) He needs to tone just slightly.
I need to block him this time so save my sanity. I was really happy for a long time when i didn't have to see his narisistic twaddle.

Lots of people are blaming Musk - but i think people are selfish too. They would only look for money and nothing more nothing less.
Wait who is selfish in this scenario?

1. People who ask for decent conditions to work under new draconian leadership?

2. Or an erratic new CEO who wants more money but drove out the people who made twitter profitable in the first place?

3. Or users who only wanted an edit button. Not what ever this train wreck is.

When the company is failing people leave and when company is progressing people rush to them - 3/75 engineers have bright future - mark my words. These 3 engineers are smarter than 72 engineers.
Look luck for those 3 engineers doing 75 engineers job :)


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: sovie on November 20, 2022, 03:32:41 AM
Orange Hitler's account has been reinstated! They wiped all of his followers through.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

IIRC Trump said he would stay on Truth Social, but if he wants his Presidential campaign to gain any sort of traction at all, he needs Twitter (which is slightly ironic considering, IMO, he lost the 2020 election due to his rampant unhinged tweets.) He needs to tone just slightly.
I need to block him this time so save my sanity. I was really happy for a long time when i didn't have to see his narisistic twaddle.

Lots of people are blaming Musk - but i think people are selfish too. They would only look for money and nothing more nothing less.
Wait who is selfish in this scenario? People who ask for decent conditions to work under new draconian leadership? Or an erratic new CEO who wants more money but drove out the people who made twitter profitable in the first place?

When the company is failing people leave and when company is progressing people rush to them - 3/75 engineers have bright future - mark my words. These 3 engineers are smarter than 72 engineers.
Look luck for those 3 engineers doing 75 engineers job :)
People are selfish - that is correct. They would always want to have comfortable environment while the boss does the job of keeping the employee comfortable.
The cycle is strange - but we have to wait and see the fate of these three engineers - maybe they all the tesla soon :) sometime patience is rewarded. I am sure the condition are favourable to work at twitter office.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 20, 2022, 03:42:30 AM
Elon Musk succeeded in laying off thousands of Twitter employees by half, and promised the rest to change the working pattern with additional hours and reduce many privileges. He also made a proposal to sell the verified accounts badge to increase the company's resources.

It is clear here that Elon Musk is really seeking to increase the income of the company in which he paid that huge amount.

Reports indicate that the company has not achieved annual profits since 2010, except for the years 2018 and 2019, and its loss reached one billion and 300 million dollars in 2020. The company was actually losing, and Elon Musk was involved in its purchase if he did not intend to propose amendments in the interest of the company's profits . The old owners of the company were happy with Elon Musk's offer, and when he announced his withdrawal, they sued him, and this proves that the company was not of the size on which its price was evaluated. Now everyone is waiting for the amendments that Musk will add to achieve more profits, because he is still required to pay the interest of the loans he borrowed to complete the deal.
There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.
there is one post I read on twitter which is status of my watsapp too. It reads and I quote
elon musk has been able to successfully run twitter for days with only 50 employees - what the heck were those other 7950 were doing"
Matt Wallace - @mattwallace888
seems like 50 are more power than 7950


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 20, 2022, 03:49:15 AM
Edit: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1849635/000119312522150801/d226205ds4.htm

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From December 22, 2021, until the expiration of 18 months thereafter, (the “TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term”), President Trump has agreed to first channel any and all social media communications and posts coming from his personal profile to the Truth Social platform before posting that same social media communication and/or post to any other social media platform that is not Truth Social (collectively, “Non-TMTG Social Media”) until the expiration of “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive” which means the period commencing when DJT posts any social media communication onto the Truth Social Platform and ending six (6) hours thereafter; provided that he may post social media communications from his personal profile that specifically relates to political messaging, political fundraising or get-out-the vote efforts at any time on any Non-TMTG social media platforms. Unless notice is given, the TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term extends in perpetuity for additional 180-day terms. In the event of a force majeure as described in the License Agreement that lasts longer than 30 days, President Trump shall have the right to invoke the suspension of the “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive.” If the Social Media Exclusivity Term were to expire but the License Agreement remained in effect, President Trump would be required to post contemporaneously to TruthSocial and Non-TMTG Social Media.


That's interesting, I didn't know he agreed to that.

Would be funny if he just used twitter to plug truth social.

Also wouldn't be surprised if he just broke the agreement....what are they gonna do, sue him?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 20, 2022, 05:36:24 AM
there is one post I read on twitter which is status of my watsapp too. It reads and I quote
elon musk has been able to successfully run twitter for days with only 50 employees - what the heck were those other 7950 were doing"
Matt Wallace - @mattwallace888
seems like 50 are more power than 7950

Now that advertisers are gone and he doesn't need sales staff etc, he can probably "run" it without any employees for quite a while. Until something breaks and there is no one left who knows how the backend works or where it all runs ("cloud" is not a place).

There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.

The debt is 13 billion, not 36, but the key here is that Elon created it via his leveraged buyout bullshit. Before the acquisition Twitter had a lot less debt and manageable interest payments. Now it has to make extra 1.2 billion per year just to break even. I doubt that's possible with that clown in charge.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Poker Player on November 20, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
For me, twitter is a clear case of what a book called "Bullshit jobs". It is clear that now they are understaffed, but in that company worked many people who were dedicated to do basically nothing and we can see an example in the following video:

A day in the life of a Twitter employee (https://twitter.com/RE_MarketWatch/status/1593803400264781824)

These companies may have been inflated by the massive printing we have had in the last few years, which caused technology stocks to continue to keep rising even when trading at outrageous P/E ratios.

This is in terms of workers. And cost control in other aspects? I find it hard to believe this tweet from Musk (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591885013913849856), but I have no way of verifying it, and given how overstaffed they were, I wouldn't be surprised:

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Especially bizarre given that almost no one came to the office. Estimated cost per lunch served in past 12 months is >$400.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: xSkylarx on November 20, 2022, 08:50:05 AM
Elon Musk succeeded in laying off thousands of Twitter employees by half, and promised the rest to change the working pattern with additional hours and reduce many privileges. He also made a proposal to sell the verified accounts badge to increase the company's resources.

It is clear here that Elon Musk is really seeking to increase the income of the company in which he paid that huge amount.

Reports indicate that the company has not achieved annual profits since 2010, except for the years 2018 and 2019, and its loss reached one billion and 300 million dollars in 2020. The company was actually losing, and Elon Musk was involved in its purchase if he did not intend to propose amendments in the interest of the company's profits . The old owners of the company were happy with Elon Musk's offer, and when he announced his withdrawal, they sued him, and this proves that the company was not of the size on which its price was evaluated. Now everyone is waiting for the amendments that Musk will add to achieve more profits, because he is still required to pay the interest of the loans he borrowed to complete the deal.
There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.
there is one post I read on twitter which is status of my watsapp too. It reads and I quote
elon musk has been able to successfully run twitter for days with only 50 employees - what the heck were those other 7950 were doing"
Matt Wallace - @mattwallace888
seems like 50 are more power than 7950

I also read this on Twitter, and I was shocked, but I am sure the remaining 50 employees are more involved in development there; I am not sure about the others, but Tesla or SpaceX employees are already on Twitter, so those 50 employees were the original employees. But, while it is operational, it is different from before, as other departments have closed due to a lack of employees. Elon is simply concentrating on Twitter infrastructure, which is why he no longer requires the services of other employees.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Maestro75 on November 20, 2022, 03:25:14 PM
When I anticipated Twitter's demise, I had not factored in the employees packing up their bags and leaving the company to rot now that they had to actually do work instead of being paid to chat. I can only assume this will accelerate the downfall.

If they haven't been doing actual work then it wouldn't matter if they leave. Have you been reading too much of Elon's self-aggrandizing tweeterage? Now that's a person who needs to "chat" less and work more. Starting from figuring out how a company he paid $40 billion of OPM for actually functions.

Maybe Elon gets his inspiration from chatting. It was the same thing Trump did while he was president of the USA, always on Twitter chatting and alot of people thought he should not be chatting because he was president and as a president it was beneath him to do so. Now we know how those people were wrong. Old Joe who does not chat much can not outperform chatty Trump.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 20, 2022, 04:29:06 PM
Maybe Elon gets his inspiration from chatting. It was the same thing Trump did while he was president of the USA, always on Twitter chatting and alot of people thought he should not be chatting because he was president and as a president it was beneath him to do so. Now we know how those people were wrong. Old Joe who does not chat much can not outperform chatty Trump.

Inspiration for what? Is he writing a book on how to flush $40 billion down the toilet? Because that's what he's doing quite successfully so far.

The aforementioned $13 billion debt is allegedly being sold for 60 cents on the dollar. Think about it, banks are willing to take a 40% haircut just to get off the sinking ship. It takes a special kind of genius to fuck it up so badly so quickly.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 20, 2022, 04:42:02 PM
We probably won't get to mars because of Elons twitter addiction.   :-\


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on November 20, 2022, 07:47:27 PM
Elon isn't letting Alex Jones back on.     8)


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: boyptc on November 20, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
I don't think it's on a wrong direction. I like the part that those huge profiles that has propaganda to run, they're probably are problematic with Elon's stance against their political will.

In line with Elon's attitude and way of managing the Twitter staffs. I think he's also applying what he's done to SpaceX, Starlink and Tesla and if it has been effective onto those companies. We're just seeing a glance of it because he's just starting to handle everything in Twitter. Although I don't like that style as it has lost people job security but that means pushing them to their utmost while he's on the management.

I've heard that he's also talking back to those that he's fired because they're the only ones that he can rely on doing their left post.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 20, 2022, 09:35:15 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
I don't think it's on a wrong direction. I like the part that those huge profiles that has propaganda to run, they're probably are problematic with Elon's stance against their political will.

In line with Elon's attitude and way of managing the Twitter staffs. I think he's also applying what he's done to SpaceX, Starlink and Tesla and if it has been effective onto those companies. We're just seeing a glance of it because he's just starting to handle everything in Twitter. Although I don't like that style as it has lost people job security but that means pushing them to their utmost while he's on the management.

I've heard that he's also talking back to those that he's fired because they're the only ones that he can rely on doing their left post.
twitter hit the most number of users by the time Musk has been firing the people and the users are coming to the app to check the daily update.
I'm sure - he has something on his mind too. He will build a better work environment.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Kavelj22 on November 20, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.

The debt is 13 billion, not 36, but the key here is that Elon created it via his leveraged buyout bullshit. Before the acquisition Twitter had a lot less debt and manageable interest payments. Now it has to make extra 1.2 billion per year just to break even. I doubt that's possible with that clown in charge.

According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk, especially since laying off half of the employees will not provide additional income to the platform of the required size, in addition to the project of selling the verification badge is not a good idea and may encourage advertisers to leave the platform.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 20, 2022, 09:49:37 PM
There are one billion and 200 million dollars in annual interest on the loans, which amounted to 36 billion dollars, or almost three quarters of the value of the deal. Elon Musk, no matter how rich he is, will not be able to continue financing a platform that will lose all his life.

The debt is 13 billion, not 36, but the key here is that Elon created it via his leveraged buyout bullshit. Before the acquisition Twitter had a lot less debt and manageable interest payments. Now it has to make extra 1.2 billion per year just to break even. I doubt that's possible with that clown in charge.

According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk, especially since laying off half of the employees will not provide additional income to the platform of the required size, in addition to the project of selling the verification badge is not a good idea and may encourage advertisers to leave the platform.
turing to 50 from approx 4000 employee will save so much of the money.
Elon will surly get back on the track in a few months time. Twitter will flourish like tesla. And it surely will.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 20, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk, especially since laying off half of the employees will not provide additional income to the platform of the required size, in addition to the project of selling the verification badge is not a good idea and may encourage advertisers to leave the platform.
Ok, this is beyond hilarious.

Let me get this straight: He wants youtube content creators to come on twitter, offers to pay them 10% more per view then what youtube pays?
So i am assuming that's everyone who post videos who sign for this deal?

The part i am not getting is, where does the money come from? From his own pockets? And he wants to go against the biggest steaming service and make it some sort of youtube alternative when he struggles to manage twitter as it is? It's like he doesn't know what he is doing. My bet is he doesn't


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 20, 2022, 10:29:48 PM
According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk, especially since laying off half of the employees will not provide additional income to the platform of the required size, in addition to the project of selling the verification badge is not a good idea and may encourage advertisers to leave the platform.
Ok, this is beyond hilarious.

Let me get this straight: He wants youtube content creators to come on twitter, offers to pay them 10% more per view then what youtube pays?
So i am assuming that's everyone who post videos who sign for this deal?

The part i am not getting is, where does the money come from? From his own pockets? And he wants to go against the biggest steaming service and make it some sort of youtube alternative when he struggles to manage twitter as it is? It's like he doesn't know what he is doing. My bet is he doesn't

He should've bought porn hub.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Desmong on November 20, 2022, 11:02:39 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
The problem had already started and this will take much negotiation for Twitter to stay on the right track since the remaining employees are planning to resign since Elon Must had development much ego with pride that he is going to sack more people if he does not get what he wanted from the team. Let's see how this will play out.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 20, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk

Youtube pays content creators from ad revenue. Twitter has maybe 1/5 of Youtube's ad revenue, and is losing it thanks to Elon's shenanigans.

turing to 50 from approx 4000 employee will save so much of the money.
Elon will surly get back on the track in a few months time. Twitter will flourish like tesla. And it surely will.

I can't tell anymore if you're being sarcastic or just don't understand how things work in real world.

Twitter's entire payroll is less than the $1.2 billion interest payment, so even if Elon fires everyone and sells all office chairs and staplers, he can't plug that hole. He needs more revenue, all other things being equal. Thus the desperate ill-conceived attempts like selling the blue checkmarks and now trying to undercut Youtube. Solid plan - fire people that make the system run and throw money at "influencers". What could possibly go wrong.

I think a 5 year old in charge of a candy store would do a better job than the narcissistic giga-troll in charge of Twitter.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Poker Player on November 21, 2022, 04:19:52 AM
I think a 5 year old in charge of a candy store would do a better job than the narcissistic giga-troll in charge of Twitter.

I am surprised by this exaggerated statement. It wouldn't be that you don't like his ideology or that for example, he would like to reinstate Trump's account and the rest is an after-the-fact rationalization?

To say that about the richest guy in the world is surprising, to say the least.

THE REAL-TIME BILLIONAIRES LIST (https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#35622bcb3d78)

Although in his case he has also been greatly benefited by the massive printing policies that have made his companies trade at very high P/E ratios, as I commented in my previous post, but, come on, painting him as someone who has no idea about business saying that a 5 year old would do better.... I'd better wait and see where twitter is in a year. As you are well aware, many companies operate at a loss in the early stages and I'm sure he has a plan going forward.

What I see that he has done is to get rid of the socialists, and I think that is what bothers many of you.

Let's see if getting rid of all the people who were going to the office for entertainment and to censor what the democrats didn't like has worked out well for him or not.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 21, 2022, 09:07:14 AM
I am surprised by this exaggerated statement. It wouldn't be that you don't like his ideology or that for example, he would like to reinstate Trump's account and the rest is an after-the-fact rationalization?

To say that about the richest guy in the world is surprising, to say the least.

You're giving OGNasty a run for his money in bitcointalks biggest Elon simp competition.  

Objectively, Elon taking over twitter has a been a complete disaster - from the day he decided to spend $44 billion  without any due diligence, to needlessly putting the company he was legally obligated to buy into crisis mode for months before taking it over and instantly torching most of his 2023 revenue...I could keep going...



Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Poker Player on November 21, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
You're giving OGNasty a run for his money in bitcointalks biggest Elon simp competition.  

Look, I have had very heated discussions with suchmoon, but we have never reached the point of insult, so you better keep these things to yourself if you want to debate. Otherwise I'll put you on ignore.

Objectively, Elon taking over twitter has a been a complete disaster - from the day he decided to spend $44 billion  without any due diligence, to needlessly putting the company he was legally obligated to buy into crisis mode for months before taking it over and instantly torching most of his 2023 revenue...I could keep going...

Of course, of course. I have hardly seen you on the forum and from what you say here I already deduce that you are a socialist.

Answer me one thing: what do you care if he throws the money away?

I'd better wait a year or two to check that supposed objectivity you are talking about.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 21, 2022, 05:55:13 PM
I am surprised by this exaggerated statement. It wouldn't be that you don't like his ideology or that for example, he would like to reinstate Trump's account and the rest is an after-the-fact rationalization?

I'm surprised that you bring Trump into this discussion.

To say that about the richest guy in the world is surprising, to say the least.

We are witnessing clear proof that all the money in the world can't make someone an expert of all things.

Although in his case he has also been greatly benefited by the massive printing policies that have made his companies trade at very high P/E ratios, as I commented in my previous post, but, come on, painting him as someone who has no idea about business saying that a 5 year old would do better.... I'd better wait and see where twitter is in a year. As you are well aware, many companies operate at a loss in the early stages and I'm sure he has a plan going forward.

Twitter is way past its early stages. It's been operating at a loss for a long time but has been (briefly/barely) profitable recently. I doubt it needed to be razed to the ground and rebuilt. Want more free speech? Fine. Why fire (or force to quit) techies though? Or sales people? Even content moderators not all were engaged in "socialism". Firing them is asking for trouble if e.g. someone decides to spam child porn on Twitter and the site is slow to react.

What I see that he has done is to get rid of the socialists, and I think that is what bothers many of you.

Let's see if getting rid of all the people who were going to the office for entertainment and to censor what the democrats didn't like has worked out well for him or not.

Ignoring the repeated attempts to pin this POV on me, how is "getting rid of socialists" any better than "getting rid of Trump"?

Anyway, I've never been a fan of Twitter (search my post history if you don't believe me) and for all I care it can disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't notice. I also couldn't care less about Elon's $40 billion (well, mostly not really "Elon's" but whatever). All I'm commenting on is the shitshow that he created with this acquisition. I've been through corporate mergers and other upheavals and I've seen all kinds of ludicrous mismanagement, or so I thought... this is some next level shit though.

Edit: shpelling.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 21, 2022, 06:07:39 PM
According to some experts, Twitter is about to introduce a new plan to support the platform's revenues and try to bridge the deficit it suffers from. The idea is that Twitter will offer video content creators to publish their videos on Twitter for an additional 10 percent over what YouTube offers. Almost this is the only logical plan among all the measures taken by Musk

Youtube pays content creators from ad revenue. Twitter has maybe 1/5 of Youtube's ad revenue, and is losing it thanks to Elon's shenanigans.

turing to 50 from approx 4000 employee will save so much of the money.
Elon will surly get back on the track in a few months time. Twitter will flourish like tesla. And it surely will.

I can't tell anymore if you're being sarcastic or just don't understand how things work in real world.

Twitter's entire payroll is less than the $1.2 billion interest payment, so even if Elon fires everyone and sells all office chairs and staplers, he can't plug that hole. He needs more revenue, all other things being equal. Thus the desperate ill-conceived attempts like selling the blue checkmarks and now trying to undercut Youtube. Solid plan - fire people that make the system run and throw money at "influencers". What could possibly go wrong.

I think a 5 year old in charge of a candy store would do a better job than the narcissistic giga-troll in charge of Twitter.

Elon is business man - i am sure he will have a back up plan.
He has made a big investment and he is not going to give up. $ 1.2 billion is not a small amount. I was not much aware of the amount. Will do my research - thank you for pointing it out.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 21, 2022, 11:15:23 PM
You're giving OGNasty a run for his money in bitcointalks biggest Elon simp competition.  

Look, I have had very heated discussions with suchmoon, but we have never reached the point of insult, so you better keep these things to yourself if you want to debate. Otherwise I'll put you on ignore.

Objectively, Elon taking over twitter has a been a complete disaster - from the day he decided to spend $44 billion  without any due diligence, to needlessly putting the company he was legally obligated to buy into crisis mode for months before taking it over and instantly torching most of his 2023 revenue...I could keep going...

Of course, of course. I have hardly seen you on the forum and from what you say here I already deduce that you are a socialist.

Answer me one thing: what do you care if he throws the money away?

I'd better wait a year or two to check that supposed objectivity you are talking about.

He could turn things around in the next two years.  That wouldn't change all the poor decisions he's made from when he signed the agreement till now.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: famososMuertos on November 22, 2022, 03:36:34 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?


You are very specific in the restlessness, it definitely generates passions El-on.

If you check other companies there are similar movements in decision making but they don't generate as much "smoke" as El-on.

Twitter is one of the social networks of that golden age that was stuck in growth of new users, at least compared to Youtube, Facebook, primarily.  With any other successful network of the so-called "billion" users, it is later.

In other words, Twitter is so fucking behind in relation to its old competitors (not to mention the new social networks) that any result will be positive.

Until now, social networks have shown that they reach a stagnation point of "loyal" users and any social network that implements "novelty" achieves an growth of users.

But! I don't think that in the short term Twitter managed to attract a large number of new users, so in the short term it only seeks to be profitable.

Then, as other old social networks have shown, you don't need to be in the elite of the so-called "billion" to be profit.

That is why decisions as controversial as charging for a verified account, for example, only seek to make a profit in the short term.

Not to mention everything that politically means having a social network like Twitter, this acquisition not only has a commercial element, there are many edges to analyze in this acquisition, including El-On's known Snobbery.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Poker Player on November 22, 2022, 03:37:06 AM
Ignoring the repeated attempts to pin this POV on me, how is "getting rid of socialists" any better than "getting rid of Trump"?

Well, as you may know I don't like Trump too much although I liked some of his policies more than those carried out by Biden, but in this case it's not about Trump, it's about censoring content from a woke perspective.

Now he's kicked those people out, but as far as I know he's not censoring left wing content.

Firing them is asking for trouble if e.g. someone decides to spam child porn on Twitter and the site is slow to react.

Agreed, I said in a previous comment that I believe they are understaffed now.

The company is not starting from scratch but for him it is starting from scratch, and, yes, I don't rule out that he may have made a fool of himself even though he is rich and has been successful in the past, but I will wait and see how it goes.

He could turn things around in the next two years.  That wouldn't change all the poor decisions he's made from when he signed the agreement till now.

Good point. That way you're going to be right no matter what, lol.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bakasabo on November 22, 2022, 09:04:33 AM
Isnt it too early to make conclusion on Elon Musks Twitter management and where Twitter would go, as Elon is in charge of it for less than a month? So far he is doing tactical permutations among employees, setting goals. As an example - no one believed in electric car at first, years have passed, and now cities are crowded by them. What do you expect from two weeks of Twitter ownership? Right now Elon is just playing with his new toy. Testing what actions lead to which results. I dont think Twitter would change much after a takeover from Elon Musk. So far twitter hasnt fall apart from. So far no big changes are made.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: boyptc on November 22, 2022, 11:44:56 AM
I don't think it's on a wrong direction. I like the part that those huge profiles that has propaganda to run, they're probably are problematic with Elon's stance against their political will.

In line with Elon's attitude and way of managing the Twitter staffs. I think he's also applying what he's done to SpaceX, Starlink and Tesla and if it has been effective onto those companies. We're just seeing a glance of it because he's just starting to handle everything in Twitter. Although I don't like that style as it has lost people job security but that means pushing them to their utmost while he's on the management.

I've heard that he's also talking back to those that he's fired because they're the only ones that he can rely on doing their left post.
twitter hit the most number of users by the time Musk has been firing the people and the users are coming to the app to check the daily update.
I'm sure - he has something on his mind too. He will build a better work environment.
Yeah.

It's like hitting two birds with one stone, while he's doing a lot of changes to the management. He's able to gain attention from people around the world. I guess on that part, he's already a winner and proven himself that eyes of the world is on him at most times.

With the last news that I've seen about it, he's trying to leave the post and wants to pass on the position to another one. We'll see if it will be for real or just another way to take everyone's attention.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: PredictionCLub on November 22, 2022, 12:09:12 PM
Whether it is for the benefit of mankind, imagining future social development, or developing high-tech products, MUSK is a businessman first, and then others. Of course, this is a neutral description, not a negative comment on MUSK himself. But I want Taking this as the premise of the discussion, under this premise, the development of twitter will definitely be related to commercialization, and it will be closely integrated with the concept of WEB3. With the maturity of WEB3, the commercial value of twitter will far exceed the present.

In the past two weeks, what I have seen is that MUSK is trying to touch WEB3 in the way of WEB2, and then build a development channel for twitter's WEB3ization. Taking Trump's twitter account as an example, Musk initiated a public vote, and according to The public opinion reflected in the vote restored Trump’s account. Isn’t this the previous version of DAO governance? I predict that Twitter will definitely implant a series of decentralized functions in the future.

Currently, the user base of the digital currency industry is still relatively small, but if Twitter’s user base and brand value can be successfully converted to WEB3, the return on Musk’s investment in Twitter will be very impressive.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on November 22, 2022, 01:16:30 PM
He could turn things around in the next two years.  That wouldn't change all the poor decisions he's made from when he signed the agreement till now.

Good point. That way you're going to be right no matter what, lol.


I mean, it's really just common sense.

He signed a deal agreeing to waive due diligence and buy the company in April and sells off billions in Tesla shares that he promised he wouldn't sell to finance it.  Then he spends the next 6 months shitting on Twitter and trying to get out of the deal, basically paralyzing Twitter in the meantime.  Finally realizes he has no choice but to close the deal, so he does.  Then he goes into troll mode and scares off most advertisers (twitters main source of revenue).  So here we are today, Tesla shares are at 2 year low, Elons net worth is 100 billion less than it was a year ago,  Twitter has 14 billion of new debt and most of their revenue for 2023 has evaporated.  According to Elon "bankruptcy is not off the table" (for Twitter, obviously).

While I'm sure Elon would appreciate your extraordinary level of simping, I think he would still agree with me that he made some very expensive fuck ups that could have been avoided.  In fact I bet if he could do it all over again he would avoid becoming financially involved with the company so he could focus on getting to mars.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 22, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Apparently listing signal founder is a new twist in this. I wonder if he is just planning to buy signal as well or is he just asking for technical help as he doesn't have a clue if any of this could work. And why an earth we need to fuse twitter with signal-type chat? It's like he doesn't realize that it's working already, and open source and free.

But looks like he is admitting that he is planning to kill twitter as it is. Good riddance.

https://i.imgur.com/XYJO4VH.png (https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musk-says-he-wants-twitter-2-0-to-have-video-chat-voice-calls-and-encrypted-dms-and-has-enlisted-the-help-of-signals-founder/articleshow/95689013.cms)


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 23, 2022, 12:01:24 AM
Ignoring the repeated attempts to pin this POV on me, how is "getting rid of socialists" any better than "getting rid of Trump"?

Well, as you may know I don't like Trump too much although I liked some of his policies more than those carried out by Biden, but in this case it's not about Trump, it's about censoring content from a woke perspective.

Now he's kicked those people out, but as far as I know he's not censoring left wing content.

I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"? There were rules in place and people got banned for violating them. If you think those rules were "socialist", then shouldn't said rules be changed instead of firing people based on political beliefs? Last I heard Elon was going to convene some sort of diverse moderation council but then he went ahead and unbanned Trump/MTG/Kanye/etc without any council, and AFAIK the rules haven't changed either.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 23, 2022, 02:29:14 AM
I don't think it's on a wrong direction. I like the part that those huge profiles that has propaganda to run, they're probably are problematic with Elon's stance against their political will.

In line with Elon's attitude and way of managing the Twitter staffs. I think he's also applying what he's done to SpaceX, Starlink and Tesla and if it has been effective onto those companies. We're just seeing a glance of it because he's just starting to handle everything in Twitter. Although I don't like that style as it has lost people job security but that means pushing them to their utmost while he's on the management.

I've heard that he's also talking back to those that he's fired because they're the only ones that he can rely on doing their left post.
twitter hit the most number of users by the time Musk has been firing the people and the users are coming to the app to check the daily update.
I'm sure - he has something on his mind too. He will build a better work environment.
Yeah.

It's like hitting two birds with one stone, while he's doing a lot of changes to the management. He's able to gain attention from people around the world. I guess on that part, he's already a winner and proven himself that eyes of the world is on him at most times.

With the last news that I've seen about it, he's trying to leave the post and wants to pass on the position to another one. We'll see if it will be for real or just another way to take everyone's attention.

Maybe hitting multiple birds with one stone ?  Let's just stand back and take a look at a bigger picture. Many of us are focusing on how Elon manages or mismanages Twitter and what direction Twitter might be going as a company but is there any possibility that even his investment in Twitter is a complete failure, he does not really care that much. With his enormously proven success of building Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink etc and his explosive influence, his real purpose is to become a political leader and make policies to change the world ? At least he can and will cultivate a huge fan base to do crazy things in which they firmly believe ? If this were true, it would be much more important than simply making a company profitable.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 08:22:44 AM
Musk has said he wants to transform twitter into an EVERYTHING app. An example is the popular Chinese WeChat.

He has talked previously about adding a payment system on the app, possibly a decentralised coin??

I feel like the current discourse suggests the app would become used like Discord but with a payment system, which would be very handy.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bakasabo on November 23, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Musk has said he wants to transform twitter into an EVERYTHING app. An example is the popular Chinese WeChat.

He has talked previously about adding a payment system on the app, possibly a decentralised coin??

I feel like the current discourse suggests the app would become used like Discord but with a payment system, which would be very handy.

I think I've have written few weeks ago, that it would be great of Mask transforms Twitter into WeChat analogue, as in China you can use it everywhere, it is like an independent bank or payment system. It would be great if he transforms Twitter in to app with same usability. There is only one thing - if he really makes such an app, then the US will want to have a control over it, or want to be this app to be maximum transparent. Which makes app to be more centralized than decentralized.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 23, 2022, 10:43:14 AM
Musk has said he wants to transform twitter into an EVERYTHING app. An example is the popular Chinese WeChat.

He has talked previously about adding a payment system on the app, possibly a decentralised coin??

I feel like the current discourse suggests the app would become used like Discord but with a payment system, which would be very handy.

I think I've have written few weeks ago, that it would be great of Mask transforms Twitter into WeChat analogue, as in China you can use it everywhere, it is like an independent bank or payment system. It would be great if he transforms Twitter in to app with same usability. There is only one thing - if he really makes such an app, then the US will want to have a control over it, or want to be this app to be maximum transparent. Which makes app to be more centralized than decentralized.

Actually, WeChat is not an independent bank/payment system. It is superly linked with banks in which you opened your debit cards. No money can be ever hidden from banks supervision. WeChat is more like a widely recognized form of payment rather than banks debit cards. There is nothing new inside. But also you are right, it is still centalized and won't do anything good for decentalization. I think Elon's adtoption of WeChat's style is merely from the commercial perspective to make Twitter profitable rather than further decentralization.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Poker Player on November 23, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"?

Of course not, suchmoon.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595250835096621057?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

https://i.postimg.cc/MTx19FkB/imagen-2022-11-23-154325561.png (https://postimages.org/)

Also

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1595256515463507968?cxt=HHwWgMCjnanWvqMsAAAA

Quote
My God you just went and bought the institution most responsible for accelerating wokeness and are publicly rummaging through the relics of their broken dreams.

By the way I don't have a twitter account, and I don't care if Musk goes bankrupt, makes money or sticks a SpaceX rocket up his ass and blows himself up but it's clear to me that what bothers many of you is that opinions you don't like are not going to be censored.

I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"? There were rules in place and people got banned for violating them. If you think those rules were "socialist", then shouldn't said rules be changed instead of firing people based on political beliefs?

https://i.postimg.cc/8C11w2kM/musk.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Source. (https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1595349832834523136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1595349832834523136%7Ctwgr%5E22c056546bbc4a76ba98d9c83f6fe7f02efa9952%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforocoches.com%2Fforo%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D9325136)

I already posted a video in a previous post. It's not just a matter of ideology, it's a matter of changing everything from top to bottom.

A day in the life of a Twitter employee (https://twitter.com/RE_MarketWatch/status/1593803400264781824)

I recommend anyone to watch the video, it's only a minute and a half and it gives you an idea of how "productive" was the working day of the former twitter employees, now fired.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 09:17:44 PM
Apparently listing signal founder is a new twist in this. I wonder if he is just planning to buy signal as well or is he just asking for technical help as he doesn't have a clue if any of this could work. And why an earth we need to fuse twitter with signal-type chat? It's like he doesn't realize that it's working already, and open source and free.

But looks like he is admitting that he is planning to kill twitter as it is. Good riddance.

https://i.imgur.com/XYJO4VH.png (https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musk-says-he-wants-twitter-2-0-to-have-video-chat-voice-calls-and-encrypted-dms-and-has-enlisted-the-help-of-signals-founder/articleshow/95689013.cms)
I think this is a good direction for twitter. He is merging Twitter into something that enables Whatsapp-like chats which still maintaining the forum-type nature of Twitter. In the end, I think it is going to look similar to Facebook, but the big difference would be free-speech and the very useful in-app payment system he has suggested.

And perhaps Twitter would be able to do what Meta was not and properly initiate the metaverse which is obviously the next stage of online interaction. Also noting Musk's past interest in bitcoin/dogecoin, Twitter may even become a force for Web3.

To be honest, I never invested in Twitter before (wish I had before he bought it!!!) but if the company was publicly traded right now, I would definitely invest.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 23, 2022, 10:07:14 PM
I think this is a good direction for twitter. He is merging Twitter into something that enables Whatsapp-like chats which still maintaining the forum-type nature of Twitter. In the end, I think it is going to look similar to Facebook, but the big difference would be free-speech and the very useful in-app payment system he has suggested.
Good luck for Elon with finding any advertisers when then this thing turns out full blown 4chan free speech mode.

And perhaps Twitter would be able to do what Meta was not and properly initiate the metaverse which is obviously the next stage of online interaction. Also noting Musk's past interest in bitcoin/dogecoin, Twitter may even become a force for Web3.
I wouldn't count on that.

Remember how tesla bought $1.5 billion worth cryptos, and told that tesla won't sell them, and you can buy from tesla with bitcoin and at the same year he suddenly says that pow is bad and tesla won't be accepting bitcoin, and soon after that they dumped 75% of it around $2 Billion worth to markets?
Like he just learned about PoW? While same time praising Doge that was PoW too.

And this year tesla sold almost rest of their cryptos, nearly $1B worth it.
Elon has said that he won't be selling his personal crypto, so i might give him a year after he announces he did.

To be honest, I never invested in Twitter before (wish I had before he bought it!!!) but if the company was publicly traded right now, I would definitely invest.
Well it would be very different company then.
But just out of interested, what do you see the target marketcap being?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 23, 2022, 10:20:09 PM
By the way I don't have a twitter account, and I don't care if Musk goes bankrupt, makes money or sticks a SpaceX rocket up his ass and blows himself up but it's clear to me that what bothers many of you is that opinions you don't like are not going to be censored.

Doesn't make any sense. Why would I, or others you accuse of this, participate here on Bitcointalk where opinions are not censored, but not on Twitter that allegedly has the censorship that I/we allegedly prefer?

Every website/app/etc has its rules of usage, including Bitcointalk and Twitter. They decide what kind of content is allowed and how those rules are enforced. I don't like Twitter's approach, before Elon and moreso after Elon, but my dislike simply means that I don't use it. It's puzzling that allegedly pro-free-speech folks try to make Twitter to change its rules and/or enforcement thereof. Seems counterproductive and quite a slippery slope too.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 11:50:54 PM
I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"? There were rules in place and people got banned for violating them. If you think those rules were "socialist", then shouldn't said rules be changed instead of firing people based on political beliefs? Last I heard Elon was going to convene some sort of diverse moderation council but then he went ahead and unbanned Trump/MTG/Kanye/etc without any council, and AFAIK the rules haven't changed either.

Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Well it would be very different company then.
But just out of interested, what do you see the target marketcap being?
I think Twitter has the capacity to be on par with Meta. It is really the largest global forum where even government officials communicate. You don't see that with Facebook. Adding an encrypted messaging system and a payment system would transform it into a very useful site/app. So marketcap wise I would say similar to Meta which at its peak was worth 1 trillion.





Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 24, 2022, 12:14:57 AM
I think Twitter has the capacity to be on par with Meta. It is really the largest global forum where even government officials communicate. You don't see that with Facebook. Adding an encrypted messaging system and a payment system would transform it into a very useful site/app. So marketcap wise I would say similar to Meta which at its peak was worth 1 trillion.
Yeah it has a change, not under current leadership imho but who knows who elon wants twitter to team up with next, that could change things. And if elon starts to take care of his staff differently. He wants geniuses to JOIN twitter, not to laugh at their draconian leadership style. Because people rather work in somewhere they are respected and taken care of rather then somewhere which is purely for making money and doesn't add meaning to life. Athmosphere is an investment too and Elon seem to see that only as an expense.

However if everything goes well and they want to compete with facebook, they need groups, galleries and events like in fb. Because that's all what's keeping people any more. People have gone for instagram, and families rather chat in their own telegram/whatsapp groups.

Reddit is basically only social media different enough that i can't see anyone challenging. It has eaten most of the forums and still continues to grow unopposed.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on November 24, 2022, 12:32:39 AM
Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?


Why, to Mars, of course. It will simply flitter its way there. ;D

8)


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 24, 2022, 02:43:41 AM
Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Cryptock on November 25, 2022, 10:48:05 AM
Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 25, 2022, 04:14:39 PM
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today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.
I don't think that he has anything against indians specifically, he has been erratic the whole time and cut work force fast where ever he can. And if you have been following what he does, he doesn't seem to act in any way rationally in other areas either.

Saying "namaste" and things like "let that sink in" are just his way blurting out things he think are smart and funny, and as his fanbois response positively they uphold his own image of him being hilarious. Because that's what he wants; to look like clever, edgy and eccentric, which just says how much he is not any of them.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on November 26, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?


Why, to Mars, of course. It will simply flitter its way there. ;D

8)

Mmm...I guess the reception must be very good on Mars.😃


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: bitgov on November 26, 2022, 11:47:07 PM
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today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.
I don't think that he has anything against indians specifically, he has been erratic the whole time and cut work force fast where ever he can. And if you have been following what he does, he doesn't seem to act in any way rationally in other areas either.

Saying "namaste" and things like "let that sink in" are just his way blurting out things he think are smart and funny, and as his fanbois response positively they uphold his own image of him being hilarious. Because that's what he wants; to look like clever, edgy and eccentric, which just says how much he is not any of them.
Coming to 50 from approx 4000 is one of the ways he has proved that he can reduce the cost of wages by throwing the most of the worker evern the security staff.
They were locked inside the office and he called the security official back to get them out of the of the office.
I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: og kush420 on November 27, 2022, 06:17:14 PM
Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.
but firing 75% of Indians surly shows Musk is racist - there is no second opinion about it. 


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on November 29, 2022, 05:10:43 PM
So predictable...


A former Twitter employee told The Post that what Stamos’ team observed is a common tactic used by authoritarian regimes to reduce access to news. Normally, Twitter’s anti-propaganda team would have manually taken down the accounts, that former employee said. But like many other teams hit by Twitter layoffs, firings, and resignations, that team has been heavily reduced.

Free speech for communist bots, great job, Elon. The party is proud of you.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on November 30, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
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I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.
I admire your optimism to still think that he has a plan of some sort. May i remind you that this is the guy who in the end he didn't even want to buy Twitter, he just had to unless he wanted to pay $1 Billion breakup fee because he couldn't control his ego in the first place. Hashtag masterplan.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on December 02, 2022, 02:38:32 AM
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I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.
I admire your optimism to still think that he has a plan of some sort. May i remind you that this is the guy who in the end he didn't even want to buy Twitter, he just had to unless he wanted to pay $1 Billion breakup fee because he couldn't control his ego in the first place. Hashtag masterplan.

"Because he couldn't control his ego in the first place.", I think you made a good point. The image that Elon has created or tried to present to the public is definitely evolving and we can never know if his next move is 100% rational or not. He might regret what he just said 10 minutes ago but his ego may hold him back to admit or correct it. Who knows with that much wealth and power, what he was thinking about. He probably is thinking more about how to make a not-so-bad ending rather than fix more problems consuming most of his time and money betting on something he might lose control.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Majestic-milf on December 02, 2022, 08:13:36 AM
Frankly Elon's plan to make Twitter a freedom of speech platform is sorely failing because he's proving that free speech at all costs is a dangerous fantasy.

 The plan to revive banned accounts has been on and on but it seems there's still some secret suspension of accounts going on. Take Kanye (Ye) account for instance. I thought by now there'd be no banning or suspending?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 02, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
Frankly Elon's plan to make Twitter a freedom of speech platform is sorely failing because he's proving that free speech at all costs is a dangerous fantasy.

 The plan to revive banned accounts has been on and on but it seems there's still some secret suspension of accounts going on. Take Kanye (Ye) account for instance. I thought by now there'd be no banning or suspending?
Well these "muh freedom of speech" people including Elon Musk didn't know that Twitter already had tried hard core free speech but at some point it comes to the point where the platform is enabling criminal activity and there's no way old or new twitter take that risk financiallty. People give Elon way too much credit of having any kind of plan. He just likes to talk big and hope someone will do what he says when he pays enough for him.

Also there's no backers with Ye any more, he has outcrazied Alex Jones and that's something like from guiness book of records.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on December 05, 2022, 06:20:27 AM
Frankly Elon's plan to make Twitter a freedom of speech platform is sorely failing because he's proving that free speech at all costs is a dangerous fantasy.

 The plan to revive banned accounts has been on and on but it seems there's still some secret suspension of accounts going on. Take Kanye (Ye) account for instance. I thought by now there'd be no banning or suspending?
Well these "muh freedom of speech" people including Elon Musk didn't know that Twitter already had tried hard core free speech but at some point it comes to the point where the platform is enabling criminal activity and there's no way old or new twitter take that risk financiallty. People give Elon way too much credit of having any kind of plan. He just likes to talk big and hope someone will do what he says when he pays enough for him.

Also there's no backers with Ye any more, he has outcrazied Alex Jones and that's something our of guiness book of records.

Exactly. Definitely I am not against of freedom of speech but too many people nowadays are taking advantage of this human right to conduct verbal attacks or even criminal activities. Since when did people lose one sight of the "coin" and just use the "coin" as a weapon  ? Elon Musk has been given too much credit and that could possibly backfire him if he misuses the credit and fame. Hope he realizes this and will get Twitter out of mess as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Majestic-milf on December 05, 2022, 07:03:26 AM
I think it's quite ironic that he'd want to offer a freedom of speech platform for the public when he himself had used the platform in ugly ways. To be honest, his treatment of pressure from countries like Saudi Arabia and India should speak volumes.
 Twitter would embark on a long and arduous journey with Elon as the sole owner and he has planned on setting up a content moderation council; this would help to avert attention placed on him as the supposed sole arbiter of speech on the platform.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 05, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
I think it's quite ironic that he'd want to offer a freedom of speech platform for the public when he himself had used the platform in ugly ways. To be honest, his treatment of pressure from countries like Saudi Arabia and India should speak volumes.
 Twitter would embark on a long and arduous journey with Elon as the sole owner and he has planned on setting up a content moderation council; this would help to avert attention placed on him as the supposed sole arbiter of speech on the platform.

He definitely seems to like Authoritarian governments more than his own.

I wonder what his response will be when Xi Jinping calls and says something like: "I just called to congratulate you on delivering 100,000 chinese made Teslas in the past 30 days.  Did you know Chinese citizens are expected to buy more than 6 million electric vehicles next year?  Oh, while i have you,  it would be in both of our best interests if you took a look at a couple suggestions about Taiwan related Tweets. kthxbi!"

Actually, I wonder if that conversation has already happened.

https://i.snipboard.io/VC35eK.jpg

https://i.snipboard.io/zmfpkU.jpg
https://twitter.com/ambqingang/status/1499615241159659521?lang=en


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on December 06, 2022, 06:52:24 AM
I think it's quite ironic that he'd want to offer a freedom of speech platform for the public when he himself had used the platform in ugly ways. To be honest, his treatment of pressure from countries like Saudi Arabia and India should speak volumes.
 Twitter would embark on a long and arduous journey with Elon as the sole owner and he has planned on setting up a content moderation council; this would help to avert attention placed on him as the supposed sole arbiter of speech on the platform.

He definitely seems to like Authoritarian governments more than his own.

I wonder what his response will be when Xi Jinping calls and says something like: "I just called to congratulate you on delivering 100,000 chinese made Teslas in the past 30 days.  Did you know Chinese citizens are expected to buy more than 6 million electric vehicles next year?  Oh, while i have you,  it would be in both of our best interests if you took a look at a couple suggestions about Taiwan related Tweets. kthxbi!"

Actually, I wonder if that conversation has already happened.

https://i.snipboard.io/VC35eK.jpg

https://i.snipboard.io/zmfpkU.jpg
https://twitter.com/ambqingang/status/1499615241159659521?lang=en

Haha, I almost believed that conversation you mentioned already happened. Assume it did happen, what would you think make Elon Musk to be close with China ?  Political views seem not to be a primary reason cause there is a huge difference between cultures in the West and East. Economic reasons ? Probably, Tesla's factory in Shanghai, China has been functioning well and they must have made a lot of money. A bold guess,  will Elon try to work with China over the space exploration projects ?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 06, 2022, 11:50:57 AM
He definitely seems to like Authoritarian governments more than his own.
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Yup, for a "Free speech absolutist" he totally buddies up a lot with countries that has zero free speech. Peace plan poll was weird nudge for Putin too.
And funny enough in one article where he where he is saying that there's a significant threat for his assassination, he defines free speech as:

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Conclusively, Musk noted, “As long as you’re not really causing harm to somebody else, then you should be allowed to say what you want.”
https://watcher.guru/news/elon-musk-says-there-is-significant-risk-of-his-assassination

Which is literally how it's been all along so maybe people shouldn't get too excited of his "radical" act for free speech.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on December 08, 2022, 02:01:07 AM
He definitely seems to like Authoritarian governments more than his own.
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Yup, for a "Free speech absolutist" he totally buddies up a lot with countries that has zero free speech. Peace plan poll was weird nudge for Putin too.
And funny enough in one article where he where he is saying that there's a significant threat for his assassination, he defines free speech as:

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Conclusively, Musk noted, “As long as you’re not really causing harm to somebody else, then you should be allowed to say what you want.”
https://watcher.guru/news/elon-musk-says-there-is-significant-risk-of-his-assassination

Which is literally how it's been all along so maybe people shouldn't get too excited of his "radical" act for free speech.

Have you noticed any difference between Elon Musk's "free speech" or image on different social media ? I remember seeing some posts about Elon on TikTok and he was talking fine, like a pretty reasonable man; but on Twitter, he seems to be another person who is coercive, obssesive and divisive. Any thought about this ?


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Schneidera on December 08, 2022, 02:57:05 AM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?

Elon Musk is a businessman with a short and wide range of thinking and strategy making & a businessman doesn't invest in anything where he can't predict profits. In my opinion, he will lead twitter to a leading top site in terms of social interaction and profit making.

In the eyes of many people, Musk is not only rich, but also has a high IQ. Although sometimes you feel that what he does is thoughtless or absurd. But often the easiest way is the most effective way. Twitter is more free. Perhaps under the leadership and management of Musk, Twitter can complete the transformation and transition of WEB2.0-3.0. I believe Twitter will become the greatest media in the world. In this process, there will definitely be various questions, and all kinds of information are true and false, but time will give me all the answers.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TungTresa on December 08, 2022, 03:32:34 AM
After acquiring Twitter, Musk may actively incorporate Web 3.0 elements into Twitter, transforming it in all aspects.

1. is the integration of encrypted payments into Twitter's functionality, making it easier to make payments, send money, etc. This is the point that should be the most realistic. According to JaneManchunWong, a well-known tech blogger, Twitter is developing a cryptocurrency wallet, "which is still in the prototype stage but already supports cryptocurrency deposits and withdrawals". It is believed that Twitter users will be able to use this feature in the near future.

2. is the introduction of NFT to Twitter by adding the ability to display, buy and sell NFT on Twitter.

3. is to reorganize Twitter's advertising ecology by using cryptocurrency reward. In the Web 3.0 model, the thinking of advertising may change a lot - advertisers may get users to watch ads by paying for them.

4. is the introduction of blockchain-based governance to Twitter. Twitter is currently facing increasingly serious governance challenges. A large number of false messages, violent speech, and zombie accounts are overwhelming the existing governance team, and for these problems, the popular DAO governance and dispute resolution mechanisms in Web 3.0 may have a lot of use.



Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Maeve@ on December 08, 2022, 06:54:25 AM
I have to admit that Elon Musk’s mind is really smart, and he can invest his wealth in the right place, which always makes people’s eyes shine. This time, he will make the twitter program more optimized, which can replace more software. Would be a breathtaking move.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: FrancesF on December 08, 2022, 07:02:47 AM
As a businessman, Musk is willing to invest so much money to tell Twitter that his plan is very big. It is obvious that the number of users on Twitter is quite large, and the returns he can bring far exceed his investment funds, which may bring Twitter to a greater direction.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 08, 2022, 07:17:32 AM
Have you noticed any difference between Elon Musk's "free speech" or image on different social media ? I remember seeing some posts about Elon on TikTok and he was talking fine, like a pretty reasonable man; but on Twitter, he seems to be another person who is coercive, obssesive and divisive. Any thought about this ?
Yeah, i guess that reason for that is pretty simple: his main audience is in twitter and it seems that he is has focused trolling in that.
Especially now that twitter couldn't kick him out no matter what. My guess is this is his vision of free speech. He can say anything and others can say anything he allows. At some point when someone crosses him, his free speech illusion will fall totally. and he will totally pull out the "we are private company we can kick out anyone we one -card

He is addicted to likes as anyone else so he basically wants to appear as this eccentric genius to mask the fact he is anything but. When he gives interviews etc he is more balanced, but also very vague and won't speak in depth or in technical terms as can't. He would be called out for being wrong and doesn't like to be corrected. He even called that one guy pedo for doing so.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Marcellin9 on December 09, 2022, 01:49:10 AM
Have you noticed any difference between Elon Musk's "free speech" or image on different social media ? I remember seeing some posts about Elon on TikTok and he was talking fine, like a pretty reasonable man; but on Twitter, he seems to be another person who is coercive, obssesive and divisive. Any thought about this ?
Yeah, i guess that reason for that is pretty simple: his main audience is in twitter and it seems that he is has focused trolling in that.
Especially now that twitter couldn't kick him out no matter what. My guess is this is his vision of free speech. He can say anything and others can say anything he allows. At some point when someone crosses him, his free speech illusion will fall totally. and he will totally pull out the "we are private company we can kick out anyone we one -card

He is addicted to likes as anyone else so he basically wants to appear as this eccentric genius to mask the fact he is anything but. When he gives interviews etc he is more balanced, but also very vague and won't speak in depth or in technical terms as can't. He would be called out for being wrong and doesn't like to be corrected. He even called that one guy pedo for doing so.

Agree. Elon is totally living in the world he fabricated. Recently he expressed the potential risk for assassination. We don't know him in person so it's not good to make any judgement. However, we can still get some clue from what has done and said in the past months, especially after he acquired Twitter. He seems to have jeopardized some big name's business and this is not simply a loss of money but more about political and social influence. In the States, the hidden rulers have always been that handful people/families and it is impossible to change. To them, even huge successful businessmen like Elon Musk are puppets. Disobey ? No way.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: Gyfts on December 09, 2022, 02:28:28 PM
Twitter files part 2: https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600

See part 1 here: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

Part 1 is less interesting, it merely covers the Hunter Biden laptop story suppression which we could see happening in real time in 2020. There isn't anything new.

In part 2, Bari Weiss uncovers the shadow banning of "right" leaning accounts on Twitter in order to suppress certain content. @libsoftiktok, popular right-wing account that uncovers deranged LGBT left wingers that have a odd fascination of posting bizarre clips of themselves on TikTok, was one of the accounts shadow banned.

In 2018, Twitter general counsel Vijaya Gadde denied the usage of shadow banning and suggested it was a conspiracy theory. Nonsense.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2022, 08:55:44 PM
In 2018, Twitter general counsel Vijaya Gadde denied the usage of shadow banning and suggested it was a conspiracy theory. Nonsense.

Seems like she addressed it pretty accurately when claiming they don't shadow ban:
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning


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The best definition we found is this: deliberately making someone’s content undiscoverable to everyone except the person who posted it, unbeknownst to the original poster.

We do not shadow ban. You are always able to see the tweets from accounts you follow (although you may have to do more work to find them, like go directly to their profile). And we certainly don’t shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology.

Everyone seems to be ignoring the definition of a shadow ban that was given when the claim was made and using a different definition that would make the statement a lie.

I've always thought of shadow bans in relation to chat rooms.  If someone gets shadow banned, they see their messages appearing in the chat  but nobody else can.  I believe this is the original use of the term.  The twitter equivalent would be someone tweeting and nobody else being able to see it.  Which isn't what's happening at twitter.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
Everyone seems to be ignoring the definition of a shadow ban that was given when the claim was made and using a different definition that would make the statement a lie.

Semantics is the weakest form of argument.  Trying to use doublespeak now to pretend they weren't lying is ridiculous.  Twitter was lying and got caught red handed.  I'm sure the abuse goes even further than what we've already seen, and what we've already seen is enough to distrust our government.  When you look into all the details of ex-alphabet boys getting positions in Twitter to make their manipulation easier from the inside and it's clear as day that this has been happening.  Although everyone already knew this because it was obvious.  Now it's fact instead of conspiracy theory.  The really crazy part is that YouTube and Facebook are even worse offenders but have deeper pockets to avoid a buyout.  I hope this latest set of events has them terrified and questioning their bad behavior.  I hope it all comes to light in the end and liberals are able to digest they've been brainwashed while being mature enough to switch their views based on their new understanding of reality.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2022, 09:25:09 PM
Everyone seems to be ignoring the definition of a shadow ban that was given when the claim was made and using a different definition that would make the statement a lie.

Semantics is the weakest form of argument.  Trying to use doublespeak now to pretend they weren't lying is ridiculous.  Twitter was lying and got caught red handed.  I'm sure the abuse goes even further than what we've already seen, and what we've already seen is enough to distrust our government.  When you look into all the details of ex-alphabet boys getting positions in Twitter to make their manipulation easier from the inside and it's clear as day that this has been happening.  Although everyone already knew this because it was obvious.  Now it's fact instead of conspiracy theory.  The really crazy part is that YouTube and Facebook are even worse offenders but have deeper pockets to avoid a buyout.  I hope this latest set of events has them terrified and questioning their bad behavior.  I hope it all comes to light in the end and liberals are able to digest they've been brainwashed while being mature enough to switch their views based on their new understanding of reality.

Try to put your hatred for the libs and love of Elon aside and look at this rationally. 

They clearly defined 'shadow ban' at the time of claiming they don't shadow ban people.  It's a reasonable definition.  imo, it's the most reasonable definition.  

They clearly explained that they did do what people are now claiming is shadow banning (making it harder to discover some tweets without following the user or searching for them).  

Because they provided the definition when making the claim, there's really no semantic debate on what they meant.  We know exactly what they meant.  You can't read their statement  (https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning)on shadowbanning and argue in good faith that "they said they didn't shadow ban, now we know they do, they lied about not shadow banning".  It's just not logical.


Semantics is the weakest form of argument.

Irrational, bad faith, uninformed arguments are weaker.





Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 11:25:17 PM
I’m just glad that now Twitter is out of the hands of liberal psychos. They were prioritizing silencing conservatives while leaving child porn thriving on the platform. I’m not sure if liberals are mad that conservatives now have an equal playing field or if they’re mad their child porn provider is going away, but one thing is for sure, it’s going to get a lot more difficult for these gender twisting groomers to achieve their goals on Twitter, and I think that’s a huge win for society.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 10, 2022, 03:36:17 AM
I’m just glad that now Twitter is out of the hands of liberal psychos. They were prioritizing silencing conservatives while leaving child porn thriving on the platform. I’m not sure if liberals are mad that conservatives now have an equal playing field or if they’re mad their child porn provider is going away, but one thing is for sure, it’s going to get a lot more difficult for these gender twisting groomers to achieve their goals on Twitter, and I think that’s a huge win for society.



Jesus, how gullible are you?

Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on December 10, 2022, 04:22:27 AM
Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.

"gender twisting groomers" (whatever that is) leads me to think that "child porn" might have been redefined in nutcase newspeak just like "shadow banning" was.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 10, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.

"gender twisting groomers" (whatever that is) leads me to think that "child porn" might have been redefined in nutcase newspeak just like "shadow banning" was.


sEmAnTiCs!


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on December 10, 2022, 05:30:57 PM
Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.

"gender twisting groomers" (whatever that is) leads me to think that "child porn" might have been redefined in nutcase newspeak just like "shadow banning" was.


sEmAnTiCs!

Semantics is so bad that the term 'common law' has been codified into leagalease, just so that somebody using "common law" in court, has to define it to be outside of legalease, before he can use the real common law. If he doesn't, he automatically pushes himself into courtroom jurisdiction of the judge, often without even realizing it, and he uses legalease illegally in everything he says or writes pertaining to the case.

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Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 08:33:13 PM
I’m just glad that now Twitter is out of the hands of liberal psychos. They were prioritizing silencing conservatives while leaving child porn thriving on the platform. I’m not sure if liberals are mad that conservatives now have an equal playing field or if they’re mad their child porn provider is going away, but one thing is for sure, it’s going to get a lot more difficult for these gender twisting groomers to achieve their goals on Twitter, and I think that’s a huge win for society.

Jesus, how gullible are you?

Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.

You realize that 1) you're wrong & 2) you're literally proving my point.  Defending child porn on Twitter by claiming it doesn't exist is either malicious or ignorant.  You can pick which one you are, as this is a statement of fact, not an opinion.

I get that liberals want to pretend they aren't groomers, but their activity is what matters.  Constantly defending child porn.  Wanting to censor anyone who disagrees with their lies.  Pretending there are more than 2 genders.  Trying to cancel anyone who doesn't go along with their fairytale.  Trying to say that dressing up as the opposite sex is being your true self and others can't handle it, when it's literally the exact opposite. Even the person in charge of handling this so called child porn issue that you deny was writing in this thesis for his PhD that children should be allowed to use grinder (an app for gays to find each other for sex).  What kind of a sick person hires someone like that for a position supposed to exist to weed out child porn?  I can't even grasp what sort of a stubborn idiot would still maintain that the way things were going was OK...  Then I remember that TwitchySeal is an extortionist troll and it makes sense. 

I usually don't argue with fools these days, as casuals usually can't tell who is who, but I think in this case it's blatantly obvious who the fool is.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 11, 2022, 08:57:19 PM
I’m just glad that now Twitter is out of the hands of liberal psychos. They were prioritizing silencing conservatives while leaving child porn thriving on the platform. I’m not sure if liberals are mad that conservatives now have an equal playing field or if they’re mad their child porn provider is going away, but one thing is for sure, it’s going to get a lot more difficult for these gender twisting groomers to achieve their goals on Twitter, and I think that’s a huge win for society.

Jesus, how gullible are you?

Child porn was never thriving on Twitter or literally any major social media network.

You realize that 1) you're wrong & 2) you're literally proving my point.  Defending child porn on Twitter by claiming it doesn't exist is either malicious or ignorant.  You can pick which one you are, as this is a statement of fact, not an opinion.

I get that liberals want to pretend they aren't groomers, but their activity is what matters.  Constantly defending child porn.  Wanting to censor anyone who disagrees with their lies.  Pretending there are more than 2 genders.  Trying to cancel anyone who doesn't go along with their fairytale.  Trying to say that dressing up as the opposite sex is being your true self and others can't handle it, when it's literally the exact opposite. Even the person in charge of handling this so called child porn issue that you deny was writing in this thesis for his PhD that children should be allowed to use grinder (an app for gays to find each other for sex).  What kind of a sick person hires someone like that for a position supposed to exist to weed out child porn?  I can't even grasp what sort of a stubborn idiot would still maintain that the way things were going was OK...  Then I remember that TwitchySeal is an extortionist troll and it makes sense.  

I usually don't argue with fools these days, as casuals usually can't tell who is who, but I think in this case it's blatantly obvious who the fool is.

So you think the 10s of millions of people in America that identify as liberal have a secret agenda to groom children so that they can have sex with them.  I mean that's just insane.  Posting child porn on twitter would would be handled in a similar way as posting a bomb threat with law enforcement being involved immediately.

You need to quit falling for whoever has been feeding you this nonsense.  Liberals are just people that have different political views than you.  Having a different opinion on how government should run doesn't make someone a monster and making up ridiculous stories about them trying to fuck children doesn't accomplish anything productive. 


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on December 13, 2022, 08:54:18 PM
Elon Musk acquired Twitter about two weeks agao and Twitter has been All the news everywhere. His bold moves of firing a big portion of staff, changing major Twitter features and making more modifications are spurring waves of controversy. His supporters and adversaries are quite in fights. Where will Elon Musk lead Twitter ? Is Twitter heading to a wrong direction ?
Nobody can say whether Twitter is heading in the right direction or not we all just have to be patient and observe. So far, we have seen that since Elon Musk took over Twitter it has not been an easy ride. A lot of employees were fired well while some quit. There was also you off the blue marks subscription and verifying information on Twitter. Lately I have seen tweets from alone, sing that the engagement on Twitter has been at an all-time high. I believe that sooner or later Elon would make Twitter better than it has ever been.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 16, 2022, 02:51:59 AM
Seems like Elon has finally realized that when you own a social media company, you have the right to suspend whoever you want and nobody has any sort of constitutional right to post on twitter.  Maybe he'll get his cult of fan boys to quit crying about free speech when youtube takes down their racist rants or anti vax nonsense. 




Twitter Suspends Accounts of Half a Dozen Journalists
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/technology/twitter-suspends-journalist-accounts-elon-musk.html

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The accounts suspended included Ryan Mac of The New York Times; Drew Harwell of The Washington Post; Aaron Rupar, an independent journalist; Donie O’Sullivan of CNN; Matt Binder of Mashable; Tony Webster, an independent journalist; Micah Lee of The Intercept; and the political journalist Keith Olbermann. It was unclear what the suspensions had in common; each user’s Twitter page included a message that said it suspended accounts that “violate the Twitter rules.”





Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on December 16, 2022, 04:43:32 AM
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It was unclear what the suspensions had in common

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make a wild guess that those journalists may have said some less than pleasant things about Elon, Tesla, or something else that really really hurt Elon's feelings, like his jet.

This is beautiful, can't wait for the trumplings to spin it as free speech absolutism.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: nutildah on December 16, 2022, 05:10:36 AM
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It was unclear what the suspensions had in common

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make a wild guess that those journalists may have said some less than pleasant things about Elon, Tesla, or something else that really really hurt Elon's feelings, like his jet.

This is beautiful, can't wait for the trumplings to spin it as free speech absolutism.

https://i.imgur.com/vxhOefl.png
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588394145034678272

Makes me think he wasn't kidding when he said that.

In general I'm pro-Elon but the idea that a privately-owned platform has the power to grant "free speech" has always been silly... He shouldn't have laid into that angle so much. And yes I do wince every time he posts something political or shares fake news. It's been a tough year.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 16, 2022, 04:58:30 PM
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Twitter Suspends Accounts of Half a Dozen Journalists
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/technology/twitter-suspends-journalist-accounts-elon-musk.html
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Didn't he say that this was about that guy following his private plane on twitter, which is public data. Meanwhile he posts video (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603235998263123969) in his feed about some guy's register plate who tried follow him. Like a normal man with 121 million mob of followers would see this as a responsible thing to do.

Imagine if that stalker guy gets doxxed and gets harassed turns out to be some mentally challenged or mental patient, which elon is now ridiculing and basically calling for justice. I am pretty sure this rocket genius haven't even thought this far.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on December 16, 2022, 11:29:30 PM
Didn't he say that this was about that guy following his private plane on twitter, which is public data.

Even if it was, he streisanded this shit bigly. Millions of people who never knew or cared about his jet - now might. Not that a real stalker would have needed those @elonjet tweets anyway.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 19, 2022, 07:40:15 AM
Noticing more and more click baity promoted posts (as well as snake oil health devices/services) in my timeline lately.  This one seems a bit over the top.

https://i.gyazo.com/5a401dc9309cb3295b3fa44071b319d5.png

At this rate Twitter is going to look like something BADecker links to in no time.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 01:26:21 PM
Oops... might have overestimated himself.

https://meem.link/i/2nnpqebg.png

I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2022, 05:21:40 PM
Oops... might have overestimated himself.

https://meem.link/i/2nnpqebg.png

I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.

The question is, how will the new CEO be selected? Another question: Will the new CEO be subject to Musk's control? Think about the reality of it all.

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Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 19, 2022, 05:42:51 PM
Oops... might have overestimated himself.

https://meem.link/i/2nnpqebg.png

I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.
So maybe he wants someone who actually knows what they are doing to run twitter :D.
Edward snowden offered to run it. I like the guy but this would mean there would be even more censorship because of where he lives. There would be pro Russian propaganda all over it or Snowden loses his asylum.

https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/edward-snowden-offers-to-take-over-as-twitter-ceo-for-salary-in-btc-2966953

My guess is that responsibilities and pressure were just too much for space karen. Advertisers don't want anything to do with him, just like his kid and wife. And it's hard to seem like hardcore freedom of speech activist when you want to censor things that annoy you.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 20, 2022, 04:16:08 AM
I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.

https://i.gyazo.com/cb7c74d8a16177bdd0db08f2cb48d268.png


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: o48o on December 20, 2022, 05:43:37 AM
I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.
And of course he changes the rules in the middle of the game  :D

https://i.imgur.com/8g25Gml.png

Oh boy, Elon thinks not hearting Elon is suspicious now :D?
It's like when his daughter didn't want anything to do with him. Instead listening to her and looking at the mirror he blamed communism being taught in the schools. Because god forbit that he could be a bad parent.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on December 20, 2022, 06:10:58 AM
I hope he tries to weasel out of this, I don't want this trainwreck to end.
And of course he changes the rules in the middle of the game  :D

https://i.imgur.com/8g25Gml.png

Oh boy, Elon thinks not hearting Elon is suspicious now :D?
It's like when his daughter didn't want anything to do with him. Instead listening to her and looking at the mirror he blamed communism being taught in the schools. Because god forbit that he could be a bad parent.

More and more he's reminding me of the last person that had a ridiculous amount of power as well as a twitter addiction.


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on December 28, 2022, 08:46:44 PM
Here is where twitter has gone since the Musk takeover... into the world of showing the truth about political and government conspiracies.


How the FBI Used Twitter To Lie to You (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/337500-2022-12-27-how-the-fbi-used-twitter-to-lie-to-you.htm)


https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/12/no_author/how-the-fbi-used-twitter-to-lie-to-you/
The FBI we know is a creation of Hollywood. From the beginning, J. Edgar Hoover sought to insert the bureau into movies and TV shows, to portray the agency as grounded in American values, and special agents as righteous competence personified. Even on the far-out “X-Files,” with its hinting at nefarious government activities, Agent Mulder’s one flaw was idealism bordering on naivete. For over a century, Hollywood has upheld the belief that a federal law enforcement/internal quasi-spy agency is necessary for the safety of a free society and its citizens.

This image of the FBI fails to highlight an important fact. The FBI is allowed to lie to you (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2017/12/07/why-is-lying-to-the-fbi-a-crime/). They can lie to acquire information or encourage a confession. Unlike entertainment, agents don’t need a story to fill a certain screen time, or number of theater seats. They just need to convince a very small audience just dumb enough to reveal something incriminating to their new friends.

The Bureau had Hunter Biden’s laptop by December 2019, before Joe Biden was the Democrat candidate. Although Biden was such a ghost candidate that all his campaign events combined wouldn’t have filled a stadium washroom, trained, experienced FBI employees were desperate for the opposing candidate to lose, just as they’d opposed Candidate Trump in 2016.

...


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Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on January 24, 2023, 09:36:48 PM
Wow! Government censorship on twitter included even the Department of Homeland Security.


DHS’ role in Twitter censorship before Elon Musk bought platform is exposed (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-24-dhs-role-in-twitter-censorship-before-elon-musk-exposed.html)



https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-24-dhs-role-in-twitter-censorship-before-elon-musk-exposed.html
We know that the FBI was heavy into moving Twitter, under the old management team, to ban and censor some users and content that did not parrot the deep state’s narratives on a range of issues from vote fraud in 2020, government-sponsored COVID-19 misinformation, the dangers of coronavirus vaccines, and, of course, the suppression of incriminating evidence and information on Hunter Biden’s damning laptop.

We also know that the Department of Homeland Security was involved somewhat, but now we learn that DHS’s involvement in censoring content and getting ‘problematic’ users booted off the platform was just as extensive as the FBI’s involvement, if not more so.

According to the Substack account Kanekoa the Great, the country should be grateful to billionaire Elon Musk, the SpaceX and Tesla CEO, for buying Twitter and tasking a number of journalists with exposing the collusion between federal agencies like the FBI and the former Twitter management team.

“What’s been missing from much of this analysis is the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) role in this censorship through a consortium called the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), made up of four organizations: the Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO), the University of Washington’s Center for an Informed Public, the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, and Graphika, a social media analytics company,” Kanekoa noted.

“The EIP published a report on its censorship of the 2020 election, The Long Fuse: Misinformation and the 2020 Election, which describes how the private-public censorship consortium was formed in the summer of 2020 to ‘monitor and correct election mis- and disinformation,'” the report noted further.

In short, it appears as though the DHS and Twitter collusion racket was hiding in plain sight.
... (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-24-dhs-role-in-twitter-censorship-before-elon-musk-exposed.html)



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Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: TwitchySeal on January 25, 2023, 04:34:41 AM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-24-dhs-role-in-twitter-censorship-before-elon-musk-exposed.html

https://i.gyazo.com/eb05430a4221416724ec537f498808da.png


Title: Re: Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?
Post by: BADecker on January 25, 2023, 07:22:29 AM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-24-dhs-role-in-twitter-censorship-before-elon-musk-exposed.html

https://i.gyazo.com/eb05430a4221416724ec537f498808da.png

Forget it. Musk totally is NOT interested in buying and straightening out Wikipedia. Twitter is enough.

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