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I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Yeah, there were stocks which transformed long term holders to multi-millionaires for the investment of $100 to $1000. Luckily, we do not have to break our head to find the right stock for long term holding in this crypto space; it is only bitcoin but to get 1000x returns, we must learn patience.

For the people, who argue that they cannot lock $1000 for year then they should plan up for $50 or $100; that is very basic. If we stick with basics of investments then we can easily convert deep bear markets of bitcoin into moderate ones.

Long term investments should be multi-year investments where the holders must be willing to put up with market fluctuation and avoid them as much as possible. They just need to be optimistic that in the long term bitcoin can provide good return for the holder even though no one can guarantee return. They shouldn't ignore risk, it's more important than aiming for big long-term gains.

However, there is nothing to force, they can be holders for 2-4 years, 3-5 years, or 10 years, the important one they know that bitcoin is the best investment in the long term.

A long-term perspective is what makes Bitcoin investment to be a not do-or-die affair and one should buy Bitcoin with the money one can afford to forget for a very long time, so this requires a lot of patience to achieve. I agree with you on the 10-year investment cycle you mentioned and the waiting period becomes less stressful when you are not holding funds in Bitcoin that you will be needing for urgent needs but being set aside for good period. Giving Bitcoin a month or 1 year investment time frame may not give the desired profits results, as a matter of fact, you can lose your money investing for a short period base, but if it covers at least to cycle which is 4 years x 2 which equal 4 years, you can be guaranteed of making a fortune from a littler investment from this time, considering now that the price of Bitcoin is low.
Not only Bitcoin, but other assets in the Bitcoin category such as Gold, and silver need long-term strong for good profits margin, I am and am still an advocate of long-term holding for profits maximization, but above all, one needs to do their own research to get a personal conviction before deciding to invest and to what period he/she is willing to wait.

Actually you are right, some people misunderstand the scenario of long term investment in cryptocurrency, I'm referring us during the time Bitcoin were established, and people who happen to purchase Bitcoin at affordable price and kept for more years, they made a reasonable profit through the increment of Bitcoi. So long investment of for some years are best that can give an investor a mega profit due to bullrus of Bitcoin over the years.

People must understand that making a profit here in crypto doesn't just come in just a few days unless you are in trading.
But because we are talking about holding - this means that it takes months to years or even decades, from short-term to long-term holding.
So if we are talking about long-term investment, that for sure it is more than that and it depends on how long we have to keep our investment running.
Because this is a game of patience and sadly, not all have that winning strategy as they mostly fall into short-term.

Many people mistakenly believe that long-term holding is just weeks or months because they see the hype of altcoins, most altcoins are hyped after launch and people also think bitcoin works similarly to altcoins but unfortunately bitcoin doesn't work like that.

This is also part of the reason I choose to invest in bitcoin over stocks. Researching to invest in stocks that can bring profits in the long term is difficult because there are so many stocks that need to be analyzed and compared to choose from. But for the crypto market, it takes me only a little bit of time to choose a long-term investment, just choosing bitcoin and choosing the right time to buy is enough.

There's no right approach as what matters here is, it should be effective for investors.

You can't just say to others that they should do this, should do that, should do, etc. because we all have different strategies.

Let others do their respective own way of how to take advantage of "long-term holding".

Everyone already know Bitcoin has 4 year cycle or having event since they're look on the Bitcoin history where the ATH difference is 4 years, the first is 2017 and the next is 2021, so many people predict the next ATH will be on 2025. But is there any 100% guarantee Bitcoin will make new ATH on 2025? no one know, so just invest what you can afford to lose. I think the reason why Bitcoin daily volume trading is high because some people want to learn trading.

I don't think they are right. As far as my understanding of hodling is concerned, I think these people are not hodlers. They are just keeping their Bitcoin inactive for a while after rounds of trading, but they're not hodlers. And weeks and months are not long term. Long term should be years. It is possible for a trader to lie low for months while the market is always red. But he is not necessarily shifting to hodling. He could get in once again anytime when the market is turning green already. Or it's possible he's just waiting for the swing. But he's not a hodler.

Yeah, but many people get know about bitcoins only by the times of ATH hence they invest bitcoins at the end of bull market or at the beginning of bear markets and then blame bitcoins. Halving should be the factor that every investor must follow for the perfect timing of investment. If they miss a right timing then they still have second chance to correct that by leaving their positions open for more than 4 years.

People rush for profits which lead all of us experience high volatile. At the same time, when majority of bitcoin investors turn 'real' long term holders, I agree that we will have moderate bear market, who knows probably we may have relatively sideways market as well.

Its all about timing. New technologies always end up with market bubles. Same was with internet and dotcom bubble. If you invested in amazon in 1999, you doubled in 0.5 year, but than after a crash you went underwater for a decade to 2010.

same was with intel but you break even after 20 years.

Not even talking about stock of companies that failed during bear market (90% of them failed)

So now is the question where is bitcoin. Maybe we have 1 more cycle, maybe 2, maybe 0. What if I tell you, we are about to enter a 3 wave bear market 2021-2031 after a 3 wave bull market, that we just ended (2009-2021)

Everyone has basic criteria in designing investments, one of which is knowing coins that have good potential in the long term, risks and fluctuations cannot be ignored, because these are directly related to investments that involve capital. Bitcoin is one of the most talked about, not only for those who take part in investments, another reason may be because bitcoin has advantages in protecting investment values.

If the long-term accumulation is 5 to 10 years, then investing in bitcoin will be the best in providing benefits, without ignoring the risks and fluctuations that will occur along the way.

Perhaps 10 years is a long waiting period for many people due to the short human life, but your words are accurate in view of the investments that have achieved great successes and heights during a period of 10 years (including Bitcoin, of course), but in my opinion, the amount of investment in the long term should be rather large So worth the wait so long.
Also, the investment should be with money that you do not need only, otherwise you will find yourself forced to sell (even if it is at a loss) at the first financial problem you encounter.

The problem does not lie in the ten years or more, but for you from time you can smooth without touching your reserves. How long can you live the life of poverty and you have thousands of investments in Bitcoin or others.

Also, bitcoin may not appear perfect as investment for all time or at least short term. For example, it is impossible for Bitcoin to rise several times during the next six months, so buying now or until the next April/2023 may not make Bitcoin rise strongly.

In the end, without an investment plan, you will not achieve profits.

Not to mention unexpected circumstances which is why for me, it is not surprising to know that there are people selling their assets inspite of their plan of holding it for decades. Indeed, the money one should invest should be also an amount he can disregard no matter what happen but things just don't work as simple as that. There will be instances wherein investors would be 'forced' to sell in order to solve problems on ither aspects or concerns. 10years is a long interval and there are many things that may happen during that period. With that, I think long term holding simply means hold as long as you can; no exact span.

To truly enjoy the benefit, yes one should just invest and hold for years and the timing of this bear bottom is the right moment to invest. After investing, let the 2025 bear market pass and wait again for the next bull. After this, I think the user will not panic anymore even if the price dips to 80% again.

Users claimed to be long-term holders, they probably just kept some on exchanges that they also trade to accumulate. Can't miss the opportunity.

It's good enough to make a long-term bitcoin investment scheme, but you also have to pay attention to the amount of investment made. For example holding five or ten years, meaning that bitcoin purchases can be made in accordance with the accumulation of capital owned, either using a gradual purchase formula or adjusting to ongoing market prices. Thus bitcoin holdings on long term targets will find great gains.

If we look at the growth of bitcoin, then the four year cycle will reach the next ATH in the current year, then we will most likely enter proper accumulation in the next five or ten year holding period. As long as we have the ability to remain patient and not panic when market conditions weaken.

There will always be panic during bear market, and that a normal scenario on any marker, the next bear will just be the same but on a different price level. The bear cycle is about to end, we have to grab this opportunity now and make some good investment, the next 3 years will all about recovery and probably bull market might finally come. If you are doing your thing now, buying Bitcoin and just hold it for a year, then you’re doing the right thing.

I would agree that in order to consider yourself a long term holder of Bitcoin you have to hold through at least one 4-year cycle. I’m not talking being in Bitcoin but trading in and out and trying to sell the highs and buy the lows. I’m talking owning Bitcoin that hasn’t moved for 4 years. If you’ve done that, you can consider yourself a long term holder and bear market survivor.

That's DCA is the suggested strategy for everybody whether you're a newbie or not. I also understand that long term in stocks is certainly long term and the gains are not that tremendous as what we're seeing in bitcoin.

I can understand how patient the people and investors there because when they say long term, they really mean it that it's an actual long term of holding and investing.

Yeah, at least one full cycle will be a good hold, or just test how your mentally as far as your crypto investment goes.

So it's going to be 4 years and for sure there will be challenges for us, as we will see the price really going nosedive in the bear market and for some, it's really hard to see our portfolio and wallet going down. So the bear market start this year, so more likely 2025 will be the time that you will likely going to sell, assuming that you have accumulate today 2022 till 2024 at least.

For some though, it might be long enough, maybe they are just looking for how much money they are going to profit. So instead of looking for long term investment, if they see that they have reach their target profit then they will just sell. Or there could be circumstances that investors will have to sell for reasons like emergency and personal.

Of course to enjoy profits and benefits from our investment we should wait for a bit longer or at least experience a full cycle.

But I guess everyone of us here are very different in our goals and others sell on how they see fit.

This is how it should be to call ourselves a long term investors. As you've said, to enjoy the real benefit of investing in Bitcoin, one must able to endure holding for 4 years cycle (or decade if possible) and never get tempted to sell since you have a goal.

However we know many of us can't hold for years even they're saying that they are a long term hodlers. The common reason is, we already need the money or blinded by the sudden pump not knowing the price will increase further. Well, there's nothing wrong if we already take profit but it just shows that you're not firm enough to be a long term investor.

In my personal opinion, the ideal investment and get a real return is.
Short Term: Less than 1 year.
Medium term: Less than 5 years.
Long term: 10 years and above.
and when we decide to make a long-term investment, we must be prepared not to touch the funds for at least the next 10 years or a predetermined investment period with high consistency, and study the investments that are well and correctly selected, and also thorough. so that we are ready to fluctuate.
And what is no less important, before preparing for a long-term investment is to prepare an emergency fund in advance that can meet the basic needs of life, such as savings or other ideas so that investment plans are not disrupted.
and long term investing always take advantage of every dips to buy and increase holdings of every dips and this is the most important thing, because this is the best way and also the opportunity to increase profits in time.

That's because there will always be new people that will enter here and the next bear can be their first bear so it's normal that they will worry or panic. We can't tell if the price level is going to differ on the next bear but there are possibilities that previous lows can return. On this bear that we have this year, we already hit different lows from the previous years.

The price is now starting to rise again so maybe you are right that this can be a sign that the bear market is about to end. Those who enter earlier are I think already done buying but there might still be new here. They better hurry up now. There must be surprises this December and then the rest will just continue next year.

Long term holding is the best way to profit out of cryptocurrency. Holding varies between users, and one need to set their own holding time period. To me atleast 3 years of holding will bring profit on the investment. Every investment brings profit in the long term. With bitcoin this is a proven fact, and halving plays big role in holding of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

With every investment there'll be risk, to experience the best out of the cryptocurrency investment patience is the key rule.

You must be Satoshi himself to try that. We're looking at 12 to 20 years for a 3-5 Bitcoin cycle here with the awareness that a cycle is four years (rightly so when we consider its halving period). For me, a long term hodl is two years. That's hodl stoically for two years without touching my stack. The two years will be from two years post-halving to the present halving year. For instance, at hand is the period I'm referring to. Buying now to sell off in 2024. Then repeat the process in 2026.

On the other hand, in this case, when we talk about long-term investment, we actually don't need to worry too much about the decline now, because we know that this is only temporary and won't interfere with your long-term plans, because if you talk about the long term, of course we've also been targeting this for a long time. not a few years so that the current decline should not be too much of a panic.
On the other hand, I don't want to be too naive in this matter because I personally am still bothered by candles and my bad habit of always checking in a day at least a day which makes me feel that when there is a little profit I want to go straight away even though my plan is at least until 2024 .

Broadly speaking the Bear market is a threat to people who hate blood in the market and makes them afraid of losing their money and going into a panic sell, but there are those who make it an opportunity to increase the load or start investing in Bitcoin, I don't think it's necessary to wait until 10 years to reap enough profits doi Bitcoin, I can say it's very good patience or greed.
The DCA strategy starts from now on investing $ 1000 per month in 2023 until the halving time in 2024, it is enough to make profits, although not a thousand times.
 If you want a sizable return you have to make a large and regular investment from now on.

Yeah you are right stocks take a longtime to mature for sell and sometimes bonds too. Sometimes people even forget that they have shares they bought, some invest in shares as youth to cash out out old age or retirement age.

You know people don't really like the waiting aspect of cryptocurrency, they feel it is just a quick money bonanza and don't understand that you actually need to wait for it to grab the fat profit. I think however that in cryptocurrency we can do a systematic investment during the time halving is closer  ;D

Holding an investment for weeks or months isn't a long-term investment, I think it is labeled as a short-term investment.  Medium-term depends on the cycle of what they are holding but I think it is somewhere on six months to 2 years.



I agree, if we may, we should hold our investment for a decade in order to see a great result.  But to see Bitcoin to have 1000x return if we invest today is somehow fictional.  A 100x is still somehow hard to get at the current price of BTC.  ( I would love to be proven wrong though)


Yeah it is better to have an investment even in small amounts than never had one.

If it were as simple as you say, probably everyone on this forum would have bought their own island a long time ago. But psychology works a little differently and only a few actually make money in this market. The rest panic and sell their assets. And the longer they try not to sell, the more fear they feel. As a result, some have the opportunity to buy at low prices, like now for example.

To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.

I believe you don't need to hold long-term at all.
There are some investors or traders that are just very lucky or they are really expected that their entry is perfect timing which helps them not to wait any longer.
I am not telling that holding long-term is not good, because I'm doing, nothing wrong with it. Because it is already proven by Bitcoin over time.

To get the influence of luck factor in your trading or investment, long term holding is the simplest trick. If you are relying on your luck things, you may get maximum 10% success ratio whereas if you opt for long term holding then you will get up to 90% hitting ratio of your targets.

So, trading with the help of luck cannot be generalized and talking about that might lead like setting up wrong examples. I have seen my friends are trading blindly and I do call them as gamblers.

Not just by bitcoin, all deflationary assets are marvellous in long term which is the reason gold and real estate are still worshipped by investors.

it is still profitable to keep long term holding , but the problem is that nowadays people tend to seek earning short term as the altcoin had been showing the capacity to bring profit .

I hate to see people that wanted to see profit short term but panicking when they dont get what they wanted.

Yes Not holding completely , maybe hold some but other part must be in short term trading because there are altcoins that may move good bouncing than how bitcoin keeps showing .

I also changed my views about long term holding some times but also do this for part of my folio.

now there are several altcoins in my pocket that only waiting to be sold and re invest in other alts.

It is commonplace when many people want short-term profits with the aim of fulfilling their needs from short-term trading. The problem is they're doing that with money they have no intention of losing if they can't make a profit that fast, that's what makes people panic.
On the other hand long-term investing is the best way to take profits, but not everyone is prepared to wait that long because they want the sweet fruit as soon as possible.
Investment success is not only a matter of how we make a profit, but also how prepared we are to wait and can afford to lose. The virtuous cycles that we see on the market price charts year on year are not accompanied by the patience of some people to wait that long.

In investing in bitcoin, one should be aware that the course of bitcoin will fluctuate and there are about 4 years for the price to increase greatly.
But unfortunately, people tend only to be able to hold their bitcoins for a short time and start selling them when the price drops, which is not recommended by investors who have strong hands in holding bitcoins.
It is better to learn how to handle bitcoin properly so that it will give you profit in the future.
And buying bitcoins during a downturn can be a solution to owning more bitcoins because this is what investors who have already benefited from bitcoins are advised to do.

I never changed it, I just hold majority of my coins and even buy more to hold more as well, it's just a way to make a profit for me that I do not know any other way. Sure I do have a tiny bit of everything else as well, like literally 50 bucks to 100 bucks on 10-15 different small things, but they are very tiny on my portfolio because I do not really believe that they will give me riches, I think the money that you put on bitcoin is the key to success.

It will give you the capital to start making a lot of real money, and what I mean by real is the amount you could buy a house with, that type of money could get you real returns in the long run that you can live from as well if you make right choices.

I understand that everybody cannot do the same thing at same time, we have short term holders 1- 6 months, mid term holders , 1-4 years and long term holders 5-10 years and above. Investors needs to categorize theirselves in any of this 3 categories and pick the one that suits you.  However,  if you as an investor that wants to invest into Bitcoin, you should consider nothing less than 4 years period to think of having profitable investment.

Of course those who say they hold Bitcoin will also trade with the Bitcoin they own. I think it's not a bad thing if we can take advantage of the opportunities that exist. It can also increase the amount of Bitcoin that will be held. But some others will hold Bitcoin without trading, as if they forgot about the Bitcoin they were holding. In general, people like this have a large number of assets.
Yes, leaving a little of the money we have and investing in Bitcoin in any amount will also bring changes with high value, this can be done by increasing the amount of investment every week or month with any amount.

We can invest in ways like this if the investment capital we have is so small or there is no special capital to invest. By leaving a little money in daily life, then investing in Bitcoin, of course, in a long time it will also be bigger. We can consider investments like this as savings. The surplus, if the price of Bitcoin increases, then we will get a bigger profit. In contrast to us saving money, the longer the value of the currency will be smaller. So Bitcoin is a better way for us to save.

I personally prefer to be flexible in this case. Overall, I never classify which investor I am in, whether it's a long, medium or short term investor. but I always look at the current movement because indeed when something like this happens it is difficult to make guarantees and inevitably have to try longer than before but when my portfolio already has a profit in the amount that I am targeting then there is no reason for me to leave because my target was met even if it was only a few months.

It doesn't matter how long they hold it as long as they get the profit but if there are rules about holding then should everyone should follow but unfortunately, that's not how it works. In altcoins I can't say there's a long term holding since most of them are shit coins which is subject to pump and dump and you can't determine how long you would be holding since it's too volatile and risky.

Bitcoin on the other side is different since we knew how the market works and you can hold/invest in it as long as you know how the market works.

At the end of last year I also had the thought of saving money in Bitcoin, meaning buying Bitcoin with savings which I consider everyday savings. Because for me it's also a very good thing to do because considering the benefits that can be obtained from increasing the price of Bitcoin are much greater. But for now everyone has to be more patient with all their investments because the market is still not showing good price increases.

Personally, short/long-term investment of BTC varies on its price on the market. It is definitely absurd to think that if a person plans to HODL long-term but the price of BTC exploded like a week from the time he invested, then it is a no-brainer for that person to sell majority of his coins for profit.

Either focusing on short/long-term investment, people should study the actual market and determine a threshold in the price they want to sell their coins.

In the abovementioned example, let's say a person purchases $100 worth of BTC and the latter's price exploded after a week making his investment from $100-$300, then he should sell it. If he HODLs for long-term and the price decreased, then a loss would be incurred due to the decision of HODLing "long-term."

By saving in bitcoins, we can get a greater amount of bitcoins when the price can decrease, let alone drop sharply. The number of bitcoins will continue to increase at this time, where the market tends to rise and fall, and sometimes the price drops even deeper. However, not many people can do it because many are afraid and worried about how long they have to save in bitcoins. But if they have determined how long they have to save in bitcoins, they shouldn't experience fear or panic instead, they can see it as an advantage to buying more bitcoins in times of downturn.

Everyone will be worried when they see the current market conditions, but if we look back, this is not the first time this has happened. This means that the bullrun process will also occur in the future, it's just that we are waiting for the time. Interestingly, every time a Bitcoin bullrun always increases 10x from the lowest price. But at the moment we don't know if the current price is the lowest price, or it will continue.

It is true that holding altcoins is simply too risky and no one should consider doing it for any significant amount of time, however despite we know that bitcoin is different, even bitcoin needs some time to help you increase your wealth.

So while it is true that as long as you have obtained profits you are doing things correctly, I still think that holding your coins for at least one complete cycle is not a bad idea, as someone which is able to do that will soon realize the advantage of holding for such a long time and will most likely keep holding their coins even in the most dire circumstances.