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Economy => Gambling discussion => Topic started by: Crypt0Gore on December 24, 2022, 06:53:06 AM



Title: Who is to blame
Post by: Crypt0Gore on December 24, 2022, 06:53:06 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Oshosondy on December 24, 2022, 06:58:37 AM
Nobody is to be blamed, if there is not regulation, criminality would be more than it is now while humans have bad thinking nature.

Money laundering, terrorism financing and other online criminal activities led to regulation, regulation led to KYC. But the funniest thing is that online criminal activities only slightly reduced, there are still many occuring.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on December 24, 2022, 07:13:44 AM
   -  As @Oshosondy said when a casino is regulated it is normal for a casino like this to ask for KYC. If you look at it from another angle, there is also a good reason for active gamblers to keep their funds or assets safe on a gambling platform.

Because if there is no KYC policy, although I don't agree with everything, the risk that a gambler's account can face in a casino is higher anyway.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: fortunecrypto on December 24, 2022, 07:16:57 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?
If you're a casino operator would you want your casino a transit for dirty money, are you ok with scammers playing in your casino to launder their dirty money, they will be safe but you will be targeted by authorities for not implementing a KYC to know the people who are playing in your casino, you will end up being accused of conniving with these scammers

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I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino

Because gamblers are using credit cards and bank accounts so even if they do not ask for KYC they know who the people playing in their casinos

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but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
It's very necessary for the protection of both gamblers and casino operators, the authorities know how scammers work and they know that they are using casinos to launder money.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: swogerino on December 24, 2022, 07:22:27 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

I think that this has been a requirement in FIAT casinos long before now,especially in the big FIAT ones like bet365 if you didn't verify yourself you would only play with limited amount of money which if I remember correctly it was 500 EUR as that is an amount which is not prone to money laundering because it is a small one.

In crypto I think they operate the same now as it is a requirement this KYC,so they let you withdraw up to a certain amount without KYC but if you keep playing regularly with bigger amounts you need to be verified in order for the withdraws to pass,so no one is to blame.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Wexnident on December 24, 2022, 07:46:05 AM
KYC is and was not made due to online casinos (or anything online-specific really). It's always been a thing, always been used and asked in physical stores, much more specifically when it comes to casinos though since they are avenues for money laundering schemes. I mean just look at banks, it didn't take any online for it to ask users for KYC, mostly because it's done for security purposes.

Regulations came and became updated because of crimes, and not because of casinos, or KYC. Casinos only comply simply because they need to otherwise they're not getting any work done. It's all part of development imo, I mean, I don't think KYC exists back then but due to crimes about it being known and announced more and more, well, laws about it were then made.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Yogee on December 24, 2022, 08:00:47 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this but crypto casinos before operated without license. I bet one of the main reason they decided to get one is that more users are asking for it so they complied to the demand. The license providers require KYC as part of AML policy so these casinos are also forced to implement that. Who would you blame in this case?


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Solosanz on December 24, 2022, 08:10:50 AM
What did you mean? why casino that ask KYC of the gambler is wrong? does the regulation that force every casino must submit KYC is wrong? and does the gambler that doesn't want to submit KYC is wrong?

1. Casino ask KYC because they're combating against money laundering and multi account abuse, they ask KYC in order to prevent that happen.
2. Regulation and government are centralized, they're want to control everything that they can.
3. It's up to every gambler who willing to submit their KYC, if they don't want to submit KYC they will don't have any choice to choose a casino.

No one is going to be blame, it's up to you.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: piebeyb on December 24, 2022, 10:07:53 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
You have to adapt to the existing regulations because almost all casinos have regulations which of course are done to tackle crime and money laundering, actually you can look for a decentralized casino without having to fill in KYC you just need to connect your wallet to play casino, it all depends on the choice you, there is nothing to blame, everything just returns to yourself


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 24, 2022, 10:49:09 AM
No one is to be blamed for this because it has become an unwritten rule. If something becomes famous and popular and can get something valuable, there must be a group of people who will think that they can take part in getting that something, which comes from the government side. The government requires casinos to comply with regulations made by the government, including KYC for casino members. The government is also not to be blamed because they want to get income tax from the casinos, which are sure to get more revenue. Even though casinos have paid income tax to the government, there is still a lot of casino income. So we can only enjoy it the way it is and still have the option to play at casinos that haven't implemented KYC thoroughly.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: boyptc on December 24, 2022, 11:34:35 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?
Regulations required casinos to ask for KYC.

Even if the casino don't want to ask KYC to its customers, they're just obeying what the rules of the government that they're part of.

But there's still some measures on it, like if you're a small time gambler, you can still gamble without the worry of being asked for KYC.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: dothebeats on December 24, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
Well sooner or later the governments will try and encroach the casino business and impose KYC anyway, and no one is to blame for the government's decision to pass these regulations. It is bound to happen; there is money in online gambling and the government has to make sure that it doesn't become an avenue for money laundering and other illicit activities. Even online platforms don't want to impose these things surely, but even if they refuse they will be obliged anyway, or else have their businesses closed.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: decodx on December 24, 2022, 12:04:09 PM
Yes, I think that's correct. More regulation in the online gambling industry has certainly contributed to the increase in KYC (Know Your Customer) requirements. The KYC process is a way for online gambling companies to verify the identity of their customers and ensure that they are not engaged in illegal activities such as money laundering or financing terrorism.

However, it is also true that some unregulated online gambling platforms may require KYC from their customers. These are platforms that should be avoided at all costs. Unregulated online gambling platforms are not subject to the same regulatory oversight as licensed and regulated platforms, and as a result, they may not have the same safeguards in place to protect customers. This means that customers who participate in illegal gambling activities may be at risk of fraud or financial loss, and they may also face the risk that their personal data will be stolen and sold on black markets, which can cause very serious negative consequences. As a result, it is generally not recommended to engage with these types of platforms, as they may not have adequate measures in place to protect your personal and financial information. In addition, they may not be able to provide the same level of consumer protection as regulated platforms, which could leave you vulnerable to fraud or other types of harm.




Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: gunhell16 on December 24, 2022, 12:10:50 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?
Regulations required casinos to ask for KYC.

Even if the casino don't want to ask KYC to its customers, they're just obeying what the rules of the government that they're part of.

But there's still some measures on it, like if you're a small time gambler, you can still gamble without the worry of being asked for KYC.

But sometimes other casinos are not regulated that's why they still ask for KYC from their client user when it releases a large amount on their platform. Isn't what the casino implements also violate the rules.

Because as always mentioned due to regulation, KYC becomes a requirement for users of a gambling casino here in cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Coin_trader on December 24, 2022, 12:13:31 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

You probably missing the point. Online Casino is now being regulated since many country is already adapting the use of cryptocurrency and already have a law to charge tax on it and online casino is not an exception to this since there’s a lot of free money circulating on it untaxed before.

Online casino is not regulated before because Bitcoin and crypto market in general is still on gray area at that time which most of the country doesn’t have a law prepared on how they will tax crypto. Regulation is part of the adaptation of cryptocurrency to make the operation of online casino legal. KYC is inevitable in the future and there’s nothing to be scared if you don’t do shady things such as laundering.

Our only concern on this mandatory KCY is how will casino operators can guarantee the safety of our data submitted to them.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: hyudien on December 24, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Crypto adoption is increasing and casinos have one of the roles where crypto gambling is now far more massive than gambling using fiat money. In addition, the competition between casinos has also brought them to their attention as the government is aware of the large influx of funds going into gambling via crypto. Instead of those who operate without legality, inevitably the current casino will follow regulations in order to continue to operate properly and profitably.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Saisher on December 24, 2022, 12:59:47 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

I'm ok with KYC and regulation it keeps the Cryptocurrency gambling industry safe from abuse from bad actors, authorities are on the track of money laundering because without regulation it's easy for a terrorist to wash their money, they have to regulate it, any platform where there is a continuous transaction of money have to be regulated for the transaction and they should have a license so they are transparent on their goal to be an online casino, that gives entertainment for people who are looking for it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: mindrust on December 24, 2022, 01:04:51 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

The governments are responsible for this mess. They want to control everything and everybody. They don't want anybody to do anything without their permission. The casinos are also responsible because they still haven't ditched FIAT completely. See freebitco.in they don't deal with FIAT or stable coins and they don't do any KYC. They don't have any licenses too.

It is that simple to get rid of KYC:

Do no license

Do no FIAT



Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: BRINIRHA on December 24, 2022, 01:10:45 PM
actually there is no problem with the KYC requirements although some may not be comfortable with it. But this is precisely to increase security and I appreciate that. Regulation is needed in maintaining security and order. supervision is sometimes necessary to make it happen. and KYC is one of the obligations to make it happen.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: BobK71 on December 24, 2022, 02:00:27 PM
Criminals usually look for different ‍scopes how to commit crimes and hide them securely. Criminals can take advantage of these platforms when KYC is not required in any gambling or casino. It can also be used to transfer funds to carry out terrorist activities, including money laundering. When such plans are made, the governments of different countries also take a proper role in this matter. They make regulations so that those criminals cannot take any chances. KYC can be a initial process for gambling. There is no way to see it differently. Moreover, a service provider should keep proper information about its clients. both sides can benefit in this case.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on December 24, 2022, 02:05:06 PM
The governments are responsible for this mess. They want to control everything and everybody. They don't want anybody to do anything without their permission. The casinos are also responsible because they still haven't ditched FIAT completely. See freebitco.in they don't deal with FIAT or stable coins and they don't do any KYC. They don't have any licenses too.

It is that simple to get rid of KYC:

Do no license

Do no FIAT

I think yours is the most interesting interpretation I have seen of this issue. Anyway, wetsuit and whoever receives the profits from freebitco.in, will have to convert at least part of it to fiat for expenses. I would like to know how they manage to have a business that generates as much revenue and operate as they do. It is a case of successful business moving away from the fiat system and central banks.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: coinerer on December 24, 2022, 02:30:24 PM
Crypto casinos now accept cryptocurrencies as well as credit cards, debit cards, master cards and other payment methods.  Due to which KYC is becoming a mandatory regulation day by day . And many illegal activities like money laundering are done through casino sites, so in this case, casino sites demand KYC from customers for extra transactions and gambling with large amounts. So no blame can be placed on the casino sites in this case


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: jrrsparkles on December 24, 2022, 02:52:18 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

Governments started to realize it is important to regulate and monitor all their function once it becomes established and making millions every year so you can blame the government if you want but not the casino is to be blamed here for KYC requirement in the recent past. Maybe still there are some casinos which doesn't have mandatory KYC yet but sooner or later everyone will have to accept what government forces them to do.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Xxmodded on December 24, 2022, 03:00:24 PM
Looking forward if disagree with KYC required at several casino gambling platform you can registering at casino gambling with huge deposit and withdraw without need KYC. Several casino gambling platform nowadays allow their country regulation for requiring KYC for all costumer want active in their gambling casino platform.

Actually, money laundering become reason why several casino gambling required with KYC, I think several casino try how securing their user account when using KYC easy detecting with abnormal activities actually when having huge withdrawing fund, Casino gambling can ask with resubmit KYC if have abnormal withdrawing and know this account change hand or not.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: l3pox on December 24, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
It’s the other way around
Regulation brought KYC and not kyc brought regulation
Though as mentioned many times KYC is useless and doesn’t really solve the problems since people can buy someone’s else documents or pay people to kyc for them

We’ll probably have options of descentralized casinos in the future too


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: rhomelmabini on December 24, 2022, 03:13:20 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
I guess it should be put it that way for a regulated casino. Well, it's because crypto was getting all the headlines and it's hard to ignore by the regulators not to put their hands on us. Regulations aren't a bad thing at all, it's just bad if someone really values their security but overall it's not that bad.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Bananington on December 24, 2022, 03:15:50 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
In the past, there was no necessity for KYC verifications from online casino's and no need regulating the activities of casino's because nobody saw them as a tool that can be used by money launderers and other criminals etc. to facilitate their crimes. On recognizing the possibility of it, regulators had to demand that casino's know the identity of people on their platform. Casino's that have refused KYC will not be on good terms with the regulators because they will be seen as uncooperative in the governments bid to reduce financial crimes by regulation.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: 348Judah on December 24, 2022, 03:20:16 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

Know this that for every gambling site or company that could identify itself with the government regulations and has physical location that host their services then they have no option than to comply with the government directives, they must obtain your details because it's part of what they have signed up with the government to do and the government has right to demand for any of those informations received by them to track any gambler, but there are casinos that are free from kyc in which you will have to make your search to discover such in that category.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: gantez on December 24, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
I think KYC is like the less of danger that gamblers have instead of the choice of losing their money easily. KYC disclose the identity of person but which is better to hide yourself and lose your money or your have your money to allow the casino management to have idea of you. Some people will prepare playing in casino not asking for KYC but to their own lose if it happen.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Taskford on December 24, 2022, 03:24:45 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

No one has to be blame regarding on what implementations happen, its just this one add up as protection so that the real user can secure their funds on their accounts as well as the platform can verify if you are the one asking for withdrawal if there's a huge transaction happen. Maybe we shouldn't get afraid about that and start accepting it to many scams happening in crypto scene and its KYC is needed with that.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: robelneo on December 24, 2022, 03:33:16 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

I don't know of any legal industry that is not regulated, the authorities are there to look if no citizen of any country whose right is
violated and if the industry is operating for the betterment of its supporters, investors, and players, we hate centralization but this is one industry that needs regulation to protect itself from scams, terrorists, and money launderers from infiltrating the industry.
To keep safe for players, investors, and the community, we have to embrace or play underground.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: maydna on December 24, 2022, 03:36:39 PM
Their rules are not mandatory for all members yet because some casinos still allow gamblers who can still play without having to go through the KYC verification process, especially if it's a minor gambler. Perhaps, it is the attraction of the casino for those who want to play gambling so that over time, they will deposit more money to play and finally be asked to do KYC. But if they are little gamblers, there is no need to do KYC because they are just having fun with gambling games and don't exceed the limits that the casino might have set, so they don't have to do KYC. If casinos fully implemented KYC, this small number of gamblers could be counted, decreasing the income that casinos can earn.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: aioc on December 24, 2022, 03:55:28 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

There is no one to blame because we are in a better position now. casinos can operate freely and without being targeted by authorities for suspected of being part of money laundering or conniving with scammers as an exit point for their scamming, and gamblers can play without the fear of the casinos being taken down by the authorities.
We have to move forward this will eventually happen, and the present condition is proof that Cryptocurrency casinos are well adopted.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Doell on December 24, 2022, 03:57:12 PM
Crypto casinos now accept cryptocurrencies as well as credit cards, debit cards, master cards and other payment methods.  Due to which KYC is becoming a mandatory regulation day by day . And many illegal activities like money laundering are done through casino sites, so in this case, casino sites demand KYC from customers for extra transactions and gambling with large amounts. So no blame can be placed on the casino sites in this case
Illegal activities such as money laundering and financing of terrorists are the exact reasons why KYC is implemented in most casinos, as well as for prevention from being blamed by the government relating with licenses and sanctions. Casino have no reason to not obey with this policy, as they may have their license revoked. There is no one to blame either especially if blame the casino, because to minimize of crime.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: molsewid on December 24, 2022, 04:14:32 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
I don't see anything bad with KYC as long as they will make sure that our identity is hidden and secured and their system is very far from having a data breach then I'm okay with that. We don't need to blame anyone, we're living in a fast paced community where everyday there will be nrlew set of rules, we need to accept this because it will be for our future as well,  I don't know if there's still an online Casino that doesn't require their users for KYC especially if they are going to take home a more than 1btc.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: QueenVera on December 24, 2022, 04:15:10 PM
I wouldn't have to say that it was the as a result of KYC that resulted to regulations in gambling online but I'm sure that one major thing that resulted in KYC was the bulks of money laundering cases that these casinos had to fight against so they had to come together and set a rule with some governing bodies that carries out the necessary disciplinary measures.
No one is to be blamed at this time but rather we should try working together as a team and make things easier.
I've also noticed that most of the KYC issues and cases are from the end side of the players because we all want liberty to do alot of things and do alot of wild things.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Ulven on December 24, 2022, 04:21:47 PM


I think that this has been a requirement in FIAT casinos long before now,especially in the big FIAT ones like bet365 if you didn't verify yourself you would only play with limited amount of money which if I remember correctly it was 500 EUR as that is an amount which is not prone to money laundering because it is a small one.

In crypto I think they operate the same now as it is a requirement this KYC,so they let you withdraw up to a certain amount without KYC but if you keep playing regularly with bigger amounts you need to be verified in order for the withdraws to pass,so no one is to blame.

You are correct that KYC is often required in both traditional (fiat) and online casinos, and that the process is often used to help prevent money laundering and other financial crimes. In many cases, casinos will require players to undergo KYC before allowing them to make large withdrawals or to engage in high-stakes gaming.
KYC is typically required for any financial transaction that involves the transfer of significant sums of money, and casinos are no exception. By verifying the identity of their customers and ensuring that they are not involved in illegal activities, casinos can protect themselves and their customers from potential financial risks.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: bitzizzix on December 24, 2022, 04:35:51 PM
The gambling sector is one of the main targets of financial criminals and comply with KYC regulations to be able to secure business in this sector.
and with KYC compliance the gambling industry can ensure the involvement of legitimate players and prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, and there is nothing wrong with KYC because it is for the good of the casinos especially for the authorities.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: ralle14 on December 24, 2022, 05:21:01 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Probably not, since there's been older fiat online casinos back then that were already requiring KYC but this time the crypto casinos are slowly transitioning to a similar situation as they become more popular. I know there are a few casinos that don't enforce it entirely but they're putting themselves at risk since it gives the users an option to abuse their casino as there is little to no risk aside from losing the account.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: virasisog on December 24, 2022, 05:33:00 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casinos getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casinos but now all eyes are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

Requiring KYC doesn't mean that a casino is being regulated. We all know the reason why casinos are asking for it. It's for the security of both parties. There is no one to be blamed because they require it for a justifiable reason. There are still casinos that don't require it but most highly reputable casinos ask for it to secure safer transactions. There are still another choice for the casino if you aren't comfortable with it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: madnessteat on December 24, 2022, 06:02:26 PM
^

I don't think casinos or other companies have become any safer since KYC was introduced. The amount of fraud on the internet is only increasing every year. Casinos require a user to pass KYC, because they operate in jurisdictions whose regulators require it.

How does the casino benefit from KYC? - Only identity verification, which helps to fight abuse.

In my opinion the introduction of KYC for casinos is a forced measure, as it's quite a costly procedure, moreover it doesn't give 100% guarantee of true identification of the user.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: darkangel11 on December 24, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

The governments are responsible for this mess. They want to control everything and everybody. They don't want anybody to do anything without their permission. The casinos are also responsible because they still haven't ditched FIAT completely. See freebitco.in they don't deal with FIAT or stable coins and they don't do any KYC. They don't have any licenses too.

It is that simple to get rid of KYC:

Do no license

Do no FIAT



That's correct if they'd drop fiat payments they wouldn't need KYC, but they feel like they don't lose anything bu getting regulated and obeying AML rules. They don't risk anything by processing your documents, you take all the risk and they get the ability to receive fiat payments. For the casino it's a win -win scenario, even double win if someone deposits money and then fails the KYC and once in a while people do. There's at least 1% of users who for some reason want to cheat at KYC, provide fake ID and get banned. This means that the casino gets to keep their money.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: BigBos on December 24, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
I think This is nobody's fault, you don't need to look for who is at fault because indeed it is a normal thing in the financial market including in gambling, but yes as we realize there is no longer anonymity in gambling just like when we use a centralized exchange that is you have to do KYC first. I'm sure those on this forum have done KYC on centralized exchanges, so I don't think there's anything strange.

Luckily I had registered before the KYC policy was applied so I didn't need to do KYC to play.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: livingfree on December 24, 2022, 06:31:45 PM
Because it's a growing industry and also, the government is aware of some money laundering that can be done there so they're asking these casinos to help them through regulation.

They're not asking them directly but they're forcing them to participate to these regulations and no one can complain with that if they ask to.

I guess everyone is missing the early days of crypto casinos that it's not much of a hassle and everyone's like gambling wild and free.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: mdzahed134 on December 24, 2022, 06:33:07 PM
How possible to control money laundering or others criminals activities without asking KYC? Even while government is involved here and they want to monitor this business it’s another reason to ask KYC. And i think it also a matter of money security issues. But still you can use so many gambling sites without KYC verification.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: pixie85 on December 24, 2022, 07:10:17 PM
How possible to control money laundering or others criminals activities without asking KYC? Even while government is involved here and they want to monitor this business it’s another reason to ask KYC. And i think it also a matter of money security issues. But still you can use so many gambling sites without KYC verification.

By not allowing people to exchange their cryptocurrencies into fiat money and simply dealing with crypto.

The point where the user exchanges fiat for crypto and the other way round is the point where the money gets laundered and these companies should verify users. Why would any government agency care what a user who got paid in bitcoin does with it? After all the struggle they still own cryptocurrency that needs to be declared and taxed when a users decides to sell it.



Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Hispo on December 24, 2022, 07:14:27 PM
It was not necessary to open a thread only to talk about this again, next time please try to use search feature of the forum to make sure you are not making questions which were already answered in the past.

Anyways, I do not think there is someone so blame about the situation with KYC (as others have said). Whether, we like it or not, this was something that was expected from authorities to try to slow down criminals from abusing casinos to launder money and other illegal activities.

Blame the criminals that make life harder for all legitimate gamblers on the planet.  ::)


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: nakamura12 on December 24, 2022, 07:26:20 PM
You can say that  we should blame the criminal for such reason. Why would casino ask KYC if there's no such thing as money laundering?. If no one will launder money then casino won't require KYC to withdraw or to register and won't have problems in the future regarding same problem. You can read some post here that to not allow people exchange crypto to fiat which will prevent money laundering. In my opinion, it doesn't solve money laundering at all, why would you exchange crypto to fiat to launder money when you can launder money by crypto and the receiver will receive crypto and then sell or exchange it to fiat then that's the same as laundering money through crypto to fiat. That's why they have to ask for KYC for that reason.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: chaser15 on December 24, 2022, 07:32:25 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

Since gambling involves money, gambling sites should be regulated. In case of scam, where these users can find any help? At least with a gambling company being regulated, authorities can hunt them down.

I know others don't like the idea of KYC but what else can we do? As long as it's not mandatory, I'm fine with that.

We have two options; comply with KYC or found KYC-free gambling sites.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: fullhdpixel on December 24, 2022, 09:24:36 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
The truth is that, KYC and Regulation are related. If a casino is regulated then expect KYC is one of the things that are involved. Indeed OP, the past gambling experience here in cryptos are the best because there's no KYC shit that time. Not only that but there is also no such thing as sign up but gamblers can play directly and then their winnings are automatically being returned to the address that they used to bet.

I think this was called on chain betting. Sadly most casinos now have evolved but not really for the better. I noticed that the same thing happened with crypto exchanges. The essence of cryptos being decentralized are slowly being removed.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: harizen on December 24, 2022, 09:37:02 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?

It's the other way around. Online casinos being regulated is the reason why KYC becomes a thing. But it's not that KYC is aggressively enforced.

And let's not generalize it, if you are referring to a fiat online casinos, expect a mandatory KYC there at most sites. On the other hand, if you are referring to crypto online casinos, KYC is still not strictly enforced there even for top crypto-gambling sites.

Read the terms if KYC is being imposed before playing. If not disclosed, you have lots of references here on what crypto online casino should you consider playing with without worrying about anything related to KYC or any forms of verification.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: serjent05 on December 24, 2022, 09:44:18 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

No, it is the regulation that brings birth to the KYC requirement.  I think you had taken it the other way around.  If there is no regulation, there is no need for KYC and since the casino needs a license to operate legally, they have to comply with the regulation.  The regulation stated that there is a need to comply with AML thus in order to know the source of funds of their customer, the casino needs to implement KYC which is also required by the regulation.

If we have to trace the need for KYC then we have the AML for that.  The requirement for AML is the reason that gives birth to online casinos getting regulated.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: DoublerHunter on December 24, 2022, 09:59:09 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
^Because it is government's required.
As we know the government combating cyber crimes fraud or any money laundering, was their mission to stop cybercriminals.
No one to blame here, it is just preventing to happen a possible fraud that could exploit someday. As I can see, most of all financial institution has been regulated by the government, not on gambling but also by those exchanges. KYC helps to reduce cybercrime and I think its a way to help those who are the victim of those crimes so I think that is normal now that there is a KYC procedure.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: bitcampaign on December 24, 2022, 10:12:33 PM
there is nothing to blame because there are many cases of money laundering or crime in the internet world so that casino regulations are more stringent, actually if you are a small gambler you don't need to follow the requirements to complete KYC usually only big gamblers will be asked for it, you can try some other casinos to make you comfortable without having to KYC, try to find information about the casino in this forum


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: goinmerry on December 24, 2022, 10:33:56 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

There are users who ended up being scammed by some gambling sites that are not regulated. Where are these users complaining? To the authorities that even don't how to help these users because there was no way to file a lawsuit against the scam sites involved.

Because of being regulated, a gambling site exposed their real profile and that's good for transparency as it involves holding their user's money.

Not an assurance that we are safe but at least, we have a reference for who they are.

Expect that we will face KYC in our preferred gambling sites in the future. It's not new and should not be a problem if we are complying with KYC with a reputable gambling site. No difference when we are submitting KYC to other companies with the same reputation.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: OgNasty on December 24, 2022, 11:07:22 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

I think that’s a bit backwards. It’s the regulation that caused casinos to require KYC in certain countries. I’m sure the casino would rather not have to hire staff to deal with KYC or develop solutions for submitting and verifying KYC. It would be much cheaper and easier on them to just not have to worry about it or care. So it definitely isn’t the casino’s fault. Regulation is inevitable anyway.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: agustina2 on December 24, 2022, 11:12:48 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

Why should be there a blaming game? Regulations hit hard these gambling companies nowadays and no choice but to comply with them.

Don't make that general though as if we talk about crypto online casinos, KYC is not even forced.

Nothing to worry about and don't mind that for now. Just enjoy gambling on your favorite crypto casino on your usual.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: samcrypto on December 24, 2022, 11:51:53 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Regulation is the reason why KYC is being asked, and no one is to blame for since that is expected as we push for the mass adoption. Other site is still KYC free, many are still taking advantage of it but be ready because they can asked for a KYC anytime especially if the regulations will be more strict to them, it looks like inevitable now.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on December 24, 2022, 11:55:06 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
I think its the other way round buddy, regulation came before casinos started demanding KYC from gamblers, so in other words, it is actually regulators that mandated online casinos to start demanding KYC verifications from gamblers.

Though it is certain that most gamblers do not like the idea of having their private documents handed over to people they not know all for the purpose of gambling, we still can not rule out the fact that kyc requirement have actually saved casinos from several misuses , like casinos being used as a means to launder money, KYC verification has scared and kept most of the perpetrators of this kind of acts way and made casino platforms safer for the ordinary gamblers who do and enjoy their gambling activities in peace.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Chikito on December 25, 2022, 12:11:48 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
in the past when online casinos didn't much sprout like today. the regulation is not necessary to implement because not many people used it and got scammed. I don't live where casinos offline only in like vegas, but I believe with that time when people want to visit the casino offline will get the same situation must prove their ID card. So I don't surprise if want to visit the casino KYC is a must KYC, because the KYC now is same as have plane to some place, if you don't enough age you can't go to every where.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: BobK71 on December 25, 2022, 03:45:35 AM
How possible to control money laundering or others criminals activities without asking KYC? Even while government is involved here and they want to monitor this business it’s another reason to ask KYC. And i think it also a matter of money security issues. But still you can use so many gambling sites without KYC verification.
It is not possible to fully control money laundering. But if KYC is done, any unusual activity can be easily traced in his account.
KYC is essential for various reasons. Here the gambler may have no advantage, but it is an important matter for the gambling company. Apart from money laundering and counter-terrorism, another important issue is client identification. A gambler is either fit for gambling or minor. This can also be confirmed through KYC. Now KYC has been observed as an essential subject depending on the basis of various activities. Now KYC may be a government rule governing every gambling company.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Godday on December 25, 2022, 04:03:51 AM
Actually, many online casino users feel uncomfortable to carry out new regulations that must use KYC, because this is one of the freedoms they want without having to give personal data, but in this case there is nothing we can blame because this regulation is to prevent money laundering, criminalism, and other problems that are currently difficult to overcome, but with KYC everything can be tracked easily to solve the problem.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Luzin on December 25, 2022, 04:14:07 AM
Actually, many online casino users feel uncomfortable to carry out new regulations that must use KYC, because this is one of the freedoms they want without having to give personal data, but in this case there is nothing we can blame because this regulation is to prevent money laundering, criminalism, and other problems that are currently difficult to overcome, but with KYC everything can be tracked easily to solve the problem.

Naturally, the casino is within an area or country. So if they still want to exist then they have to comply with all the rules that are applied. Actually, problems like this are a dilemma for many people who use it and of course casino owners. They will be reluctant to join that casino and will make the casino deserted. Actually, if the users are okay, it shouldn't matter. There may be some who evade taxes or other reasons. There's no need to blame it is a reasonable correlation, there's no need to worry about it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: lienfaye on December 25, 2022, 08:24:14 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Casinos are being regulated because of the crimes happening that can affect the operator and gamblers. Asking to comply on kyc verification of a certain casino might not be a good idea for gamblers who value their privacy. But nowadays it's not new, many casinos are now regulated to operate legally.

Well, even kyc is common for a regulated casino, it doesn't mean you're already subject to comply since they have rules when to ask their gamblers to undergo this verification. Hence, if you're not a whales and looking for casino to play without worrying about kyc, you can still find one that suited for average gamblers.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 25, 2022, 09:50:28 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Casinos are being regulated because of the crimes happening that can affect the operator and gamblers. Asking to comply on kyc verification of a certain casino might not be a good idea for gamblers who value their privacy. But nowadays it's not new, many casinos are now regulated to operate legally.

Well, even kyc is common for a regulated casino, it doesn't mean you're already subject to comply since they have rules when to ask their gamblers to undergo this verification. Hence, if you're not a whales and looking for casino to play without worrying about kyc, you can still find one that suited for average gamblers.
With crimes such as money laundering occurring frequently and being difficult to trace, regulators are asking casinos to implement verification to find out who the gamblers are playing gambling. Thus, casinos can report to the regulator if there is suspicious activity and after reporting it to the regulator, they can immediately sanction or keep monitoring it.

And we don't need to worry about that because as long as we can find a casino that can maintain our privacy, our data will also be safe. And I believe we discovered those casinos and used them long ago.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Fortify on December 25, 2022, 10:12:54 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

You have a very confused first sentence and question. You are wrong about no regulation in the past, in most "developed" countries around the world you are required to hand over identification documents before you step foot on the gambling floor because they are so easy to use for money laundering purposes. Someone brings in a big briefcase of cash, loses it all and it gets legitimized out to the sketchy owners who allow it - that's how it used to work. Now in some countries you even need to give over the name of your company, so they can figure out things like what sort of salary you are meant to be on. This has all just carried over to the online world for companies in places like the EU, America and Asia.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: noorman0 on December 25, 2022, 10:48:32 AM
If you take the initiative to take legal steps to solve a problem one day, then let regulations get involved. Without regulation, casinos can do anything, including unilaterally eliminating cases.
It sounds contradictory to how crypto works and most users don't like it, especially since the casino has to extract as much information about you as possible. But sometimes to achieve "fairness", the system has to be regulated. Regulatory engagement will keep the relationship between users and casinos conducive.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: danherbias07 on December 25, 2022, 10:55:34 AM
It's for security. For their customers and also for taxes to be implemented.
Wherever their base is, the government of that area must make something out of their business. It's not like they can just do business for free.
Regulation is also for the protection of those who will use their service. This will see the legitimacy of their industry and it will give some ease to those who will gamble on their site.
Should there be someone to be blamed? That just the norm of doing business.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: coin-investor on December 25, 2022, 10:56:00 AM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

I'm not going to use the word blame, Cryptocurrency casino is better and safer now, yes we do have regulation and KYC but the casino is implementing this to create a safe environment for all their players, they don't want their players to play with fear in their hearts that the casino will be taken down by the authorities because it is being used for money laundering and scammers, with KYC they make sure and guaranty the regulators that all their players are not scammers, terrorist or money launderers, the Because of KYC and regulation the gambling industry is having success.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: coinerer on December 25, 2022, 11:02:04 AM
Crypto casinos now accept cryptocurrencies as well as credit cards, debit cards, master cards and other payment methods.  Due to which KYC is becoming a mandatory regulation day by day . And many illegal activities like money laundering are done through casino sites, so in this case, casino sites demand KYC from customers for extra transactions and gambling with large amounts. So no blame can be placed on the casino sites in this case
Illegal activities such as money laundering and financing of terrorists are the exact reasons why KYC is implemented in most casinos, as well as for prevention from being blamed by the government relating with licenses and sanctions. Casino have no reason to not obey with this policy, as they may have their license revoked. There is no one to blame either especially if blame the casino, because to minimize of crime.
Casino licenses are issued by a specific organization and KYC is mandatory for all licenses but some licenses may have high amount limits for KYC mandatory and some licenses require KYC for small amounts so it is basically a rule of the license provider.  The casino has no reason to blame in this regard. Casino sites can resort to any number of methods to sustain and continue their business.  Because it is their business and a source of income


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: maydna on December 25, 2022, 11:29:27 AM
If you take the initiative to take legal steps to solve a problem one day, then let regulations get involved. Without regulation, casinos can do anything, including unilaterally eliminating cases.
It sounds contradictory to how crypto works and most users don't like it, especially since the casino has to extract as much information about you as possible. But sometimes to achieve "fairness", the system has to be regulated. Regulatory engagement will keep the relationship between users and casinos conducive.
That could be the purpose of asking for verification from casino members, including the casino itself because with regulations if something bad happens to a member or casino, someone will help solve it. And it will go well if the government really does its job to protect innocent people. If all parties can do this, we can hope that misappropriation of funds, money laundering or fraudulent casinos can be handled properly because there are already regulations that will protect the rights of users and casinos.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Cling18 on December 25, 2022, 12:09:42 PM
If you take the initiative to take legal steps to solve a problem one day, then let regulations get involved. Without regulation, casinos can do anything, including unilaterally eliminating cases.
It sounds contradictory to how crypto works and most users don't like it, especially since the casino has to extract as much information about you as possible. But sometimes to achieve "fairness", the system has to be regulated. Regulatory engagement will keep the relationship between users and casinos conducive.
That could be the purpose of asking for verification from casino members, including the casino itself because with regulations if something bad happens to a member or casino, someone will help solve it. And it will go well if the government really does its job to protect innocent people. If all parties can do this, we can hope that misappropriation of funds, money laundering or fraudulent casinos can be handled properly because there are already regulations that will protect the rights of users and casinos.
There may be doubts and uncomfortability due to KYC requirements, it still protects both parties and its aim is still for the betterment of both the casino and players. If we will look at the positive side of it, we'll never see the regulation as a bad thing. It could actually control the criminal activities inside the casino. I don't think complying with the KYC will affect us negatively so the regulation shouldn't be a big deal.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: goinmerry on December 25, 2022, 04:51:49 PM
It's really not a big deal for me to comply and follow the KYC requirements as long as the site involved reaches the status of being reputable.

Not that they will just use our personal details for something crap reasons or something. They are regulated.

We already exposed our personal details to some third-party sites. How come we can't afford to risks on reputable gambling sites?*

*only if mandatory


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: boyptc on December 25, 2022, 09:14:19 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?
Regulations required casinos to ask for KYC.

Even if the casino don't want to ask KYC to its customers, they're just obeying what the rules of the government that they're part of.

But there's still some measures on it, like if you're a small time gambler, you can still gamble without the worry of being asked for KYC.

But sometimes other casinos are not regulated that's why they still ask for KYC from their client user when it releases a large amount on their platform. Isn't what the casino implements also violate the rules.

Because as always mentioned due to regulation, KYC becomes a requirement for users of a gambling casino here in cryptocurrency.
They can't ask for it if they aren't regulated but if they are, they really have to ask for it. But yeah, it could be a mechanism against the government if ever they become regulated and they're asked to provide KYC from their customers.

At least, they've already made their choice then.

But if they have a choice, they won't really force gamblers to comply on it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: goaldigger on December 25, 2022, 09:18:09 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Regulation continues to increase as crypto adoption increases, this has been a cycle since then and the government is not letting any crypto projects to operate without experiencing any pressure from the government. KYC is not to blame here, because its one of the requirements and some casinos are obliged to follow it since they apply for a license on that government agency and if they want to operate legally, they have to follow it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Oshosondy on December 25, 2022, 09:24:02 PM
It's really not a big deal for me to comply and follow the KYC requirements as long as the site involved reaches the status of being reputable.

Not that they will just use our personal details for something crap reasons or something. They are regulated.

We already exposed our personal details to some third-party sites. How come we can't afford to risks on reputable gambling sites?*

*only if mandatory
The gambling sites that I like are now all demanding for KYC, the ones that I know this year that I like also all demanded for KYC. Almost all crypto gambling sites are demanding for KYC now, many people have no option because the ones that do not require KYC are not well regulated, some are not even licensed.

But KYC is truly dangerous, especially to sell or expose our data info to third parties which should be what we should avoid because crypto transactions are not reversible and can be hard to trade. This pose a threat to crypto gambling users. If I have an option, I will just prefer no KYC exchanges.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: uneng on December 25, 2022, 09:39:53 PM
I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
In the past the number of gamblers dealing with cryptocurrency were lower than the currently numbers, especially after the pandemic, when gambling acitivity spiked in the entire world. Crypto gambling websites were archaic and didn't have much attention from regulators, maybe because they didn't see potential threats to the financial systems of their countries back then.

But when crypto casinos got more attention and went mainstream, regulators started controlling it very closely and then KYC became heavily demanded at almost every crypto casinos. That is the price you have to pay for being popular and successful on the business niche where you work. Like Superman said: "With great power comes great responsibility" or "With gambling popularity comes KYC procedure requirement".


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Leviathan.007 on December 25, 2022, 09:41:50 PM
I don't think it that's necessary to blame anyone because some platforms are asking for KYC, we know some platforms are centralized and even some of them have official offices in their countries so they have to pay taxes and obey the rules of their countries, sometimes their governments will asking them to pass the personal information the people who won the games and in the other hand sometimes the website will collect the information for itself to make sure about their clients and if they are frauds or not, however, there are still many other platforms they won't ask for these.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: crzy on December 25, 2022, 09:46:41 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
KYC issue might trigger the crypto regulation since the government wants to know who owns crypto and know who are not declaring it as their profit, hard to blame anyone here and maybe this is already part of the system as we continue to grow. Some site are still KYC free though even if they have the licensed from the government agency, but sooner or later they will ask for it and many gamblers have no more choice but to deal with it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Mr.right85 on December 25, 2022, 09:55:43 PM
Nobody is to be blamed, if there is not regulation, criminality would be more than it is now while humans have bad thinking nature.
Obviously, I think it's more about ensuring that the crime rate with confiscating of users deposit funds and winnings than the KYC thing. Let's not forget, KYC is you putting up your documents online and that too is vital and if you are going to do that, its got to be some platform that just don't go away at anytime, a site that actually means business enough to keep there site.

Regulation could be a good thing I think for gamblers, it becomes your  bases for trust on a gambling platform. Wole KYC helps the gambling sites to minimise abuse on there site, regulations helps users to build trust with the platform. I don't thing there is a fault anywhere in that.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Fredomago on December 25, 2022, 09:59:51 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
Regulation continues to increase as crypto adoption increases, this has been a cycle since then and the government is not letting any crypto projects to operate without experiencing any pressure from the government. KYC is not to blame here, because its one of the requirements and some casinos are obliged to follow it since they apply for a license on that government agency and if they want to operate legally, they have to follow it.

Licensing is the main purpose of KYC, it's a domino effects since gamblers who wanted to have an assurance also looking for license from the casino platform, they needed to comply with the government rules/law in order to gain the license, that's mostly the reason why they also ask for KYC.

I like that statement regarding to government, they will not let you go as there are always corresponding taxes that accompanying the licenses that the platform is asking.

I don't think it that's necessary to blame anyone because some platforms are asking for KYC, we know some platforms are centralized and even some of them have official offices in their countries so they have to pay taxes and obey the rules of their countries, sometimes their governments will asking them to pass the personal information the people who won the games and in the other hand sometimes the website will collect the information for itself to make sure about their clients and if they are frauds or not, however, there are still many other platforms they won't ask for these.

Things that are happening right now, either its requirements or the casino, are checking whether the gamblers are doing suspicious activities. That's why they are asking for KYC. It's up to the gambler to comply or if they are not comfortable, they can look for other platform, but the chance of KYC is always be there for them.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: passwordnow on December 25, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
KYC issue might trigger the crypto regulation since the government wants to know who owns crypto and know who are not declaring it as their profit, hard to blame anyone here and maybe this is already part of the system as we continue to grow. Some site are still KYC free though even if they have the licensed from the government agency, but sooner or later they will ask for it and many gamblers have no more choice but to deal with it.
Well, it's just for the sake of regulation itself and mostly applied to casinos. Even on the fiat casinos online, they also ask for KYC and that's why it's necessary even in the crypto casinos.
But what you said is connected to it, they also might want to track those that owns crypto and they might tax them later if they're not filing for their income tax.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: BitcoinPanther on December 25, 2022, 10:09:39 PM
First, you need to blame cheaters and money launderers for the implementation of KYC.  If there is no money launderer, there is no need for KYC, if there is no cheaters on casino platform, there is no need for KYC.  If all citizen is honest and no one is into money laundering, the government will not implement KYC on any centralized financial establishment because people don't launder money and the government doesn't feel being cheated.

Now, talking about Casino implementing KYC, KYC is used by casino to identify cheaters that exploit the casino via multi-accounting, so we can blame cheater for that.  Second, casino need to comply to the government, we can't blame the government but people who have ill-intention to launder money, the government is just doing their best to prevent it and the reason for KYC.

In a positive view, licensed casino enable us to play fairly, has no worries withdrawing funds as long as our account has no problem with the platform.  Licensed online casino needs to comply with regulation so they have to implement KYC if needed but at the same time, packaged with license is the benefits of having a fair game and many more.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: maydna on December 26, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
If you take the initiative to take legal steps to solve a problem one day, then let regulations get involved. Without regulation, casinos can do anything, including unilaterally eliminating cases.
It sounds contradictory to how crypto works and most users don't like it, especially since the casino has to extract as much information about you as possible. But sometimes to achieve "fairness", the system has to be regulated. Regulatory engagement will keep the relationship between users and casinos conducive.
That could be the purpose of asking for verification from casino members, including the casino itself because with regulations if something bad happens to a member or casino, someone will help solve it. And it will go well if the government really does its job to protect innocent people. If all parties can do this, we can hope that misappropriation of funds, money laundering or fraudulent casinos can be handled properly because there are already regulations that will protect the rights of users and casinos.
There may be doubts and uncomfortability due to KYC requirements, it still protects both parties and its aim is still for the betterment of both the casino and players. If we will look at the positive side of it, we'll never see the regulation as a bad thing. It could actually control the criminal activities inside the casino. I don't think complying with the KYC will affect us negatively so the regulation shouldn't be a big deal.
For this reason, we have to choose a casino that we can trust to protect our identity so that there are no hacking cases of member data, as has happened on several sites. And make sure that the casino can help us if we have problems related to our account because by doing KYC, the casino shouldn't suspect us anymore, especially if we're playing gambling and don't do any illegal activity at the casino. We should see the KYC side as a positive thing for us and the casino and help the regulators track illegal activities so that the casinos are clean and comfortable from all those illegal things.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Davidvictorson on December 26, 2022, 02:10:02 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
All eyes are on them for the sake of their clients. In the past, several so-called online casinos have screwed their clients over and just either vanished into thin air or just locked them out, refusing to give them their winnings. The thing is, most people may have a problem with KYC because of privacy concerns but, in my opinion, it shows that a casino is actually legit.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: fzkto on December 26, 2022, 02:10:25 PM
KYC issue might trigger the crypto regulation since the government wants to know who owns crypto and know who are not declaring it as their profit, hard to blame anyone here and maybe this is already part of the system as we continue to grow. Some site are still KYC free though even if they have the licensed from the government agency, but sooner or later they will ask for it and many gamblers have no more choice but to deal with it.
Well, it's just for the sake of regulation itself and mostly applied to casinos. Even on the fiat casinos online, they also ask for KYC and that's why it's necessary even in the crypto casinos.
But what you said is connected to it, they also might want to track those that owns crypto and they might tax them later if they're not filing for their income tax.
I dont think that casinos will cooperate with the government to make customers pay taxes. In my opinion it is not in the interest of online casinos to attract the interest of the government to their site. On the contrary, it is profitable for them to register a site in the jurisdiction where there will be less problems with the government. So I don't think that KYC is introduced because of taxes.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: KennyR on December 26, 2022, 02:48:34 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
All eyes are on them for the sake of their clients. In the past, several so-called online casinos have screwed their clients over and just either vanished into thin air or just locked them out, refusing to give them their winnings. The thing is, most people may have a problem with KYC because of privacy concerns but, in my opinion, it shows that a casino is actually legit.
It is a need to prove the legitimacy of the platform as well as to keep themselves away from money laundering and other illicit activities through the gambling platforms. None to be blamed, to have things working in a proper way certain things were must. Maybe at times it can be different from the expectation of the gambler, but on wider perspective it is needed one.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: noorman0 on December 26, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
First, you need to blame cheaters and money launderers for the implementation of KYC.  If there is no money launderer, there is no need for KYC, if there is no cheaters on casino platform, there is no need for KYC.  If all citizen is honest and no one is into money laundering, the government will not implement KYC on any centralized financial establishment because people don't launder money and the government doesn't feel being cheated.

In my opinion, the application of KYC is not only limited to criminal surveillance, system abuse and the like. Every casino is certain to have a list of restricted countries, yeah they have reasons why it has to be those countries. However they also care about the continuity of their business from users with problematic environmental factors or unfriendly player country rules.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Jawhead999 on December 26, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
If the casino doesn't have any license and has a mandatory KYC rule, the casino should be blamed.

If the casino have a gambling license and has a mandatory KYC rule, no one should be blamed.

So it depends on the casino itself, but if they're licensed, they don't have any way to avoid KYC rule. The best is to gamble on trusted and popular casino without license and doesn't have any KYC rule e.g. Freebitco.in.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: madnessteat on December 26, 2022, 03:47:20 PM
First, you need to blame cheaters and money launderers for the implementation of KYC.  If there is no money launderer, there is no need for KYC, if there is no cheaters on casino platform, there is no need for KYC.  If all citizen is honest and no one is into money laundering, the government will not implement KYC on any centralized financial establishment because people don't launder money and the government doesn't feel being cheated.

Now, talking about Casino implementing KYC, KYC is used by casino to identify cheaters that exploit the casino via multi-accounting, so we can blame cheater for that.  Second, casino need to comply to the government, we can't blame the government but people who have ill-intention to launder money, the government is just doing their best to prevent it and the reason for KYC.

In a positive view, licensed casino enable us to play fairly, has no worries withdrawing funds as long as our account has no problem with the platform.  Licensed online casino needs to comply with regulation so they have to implement KYC if needed but at the same time, packaged with license is the benefits of having a fair game and many more.

There is really no point in looking for the culprits in the fact that casinos require their users to prove their identity and income, because our society will never be able to clear itself of illegal activities and this is demonstrated very well by illegal activities in prisons in all countries of the world.

It is very important that apart from people who are engaged in illegal activities there is a huge number of people who do not agree with the regulators' policy regarding anonymity but can do nothing because the regulators act in the interest of the state. Personally, I do not quite understand why honest people should reveal their identity and passion for gambling to organizations that have access to their personal data.

I perfectly understand that over time this will become the norm, but right now many people are distrustful of it.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: TimeTeller on December 26, 2022, 04:55:55 PM
If the casino doesn't have any license and has a mandatory KYC rule, the casino should be blamed.

If the casino have a gambling license and has a mandatory KYC rule, no one should be blamed.

So it depends on the casino itself, but if they're licensed, they don't have any way to avoid KYC rule. The best is to gamble on trusted and popular casino without license and doesn't have any KYC rule e.g. Freebitco.in.

And I believe, the OP is getting the opposite here. I think, the regulation of online casinos is the reason why casinos require KYC from its customers.
Not the other way around. When these casinos start to include their gambling license, it is part of the deal having such license.
However, some are still not strict on implementing KYC if you are not a high roller or doesn't pose any red flag on your account.
There is no one to blame this requirement. The online gambling is evolving and now most casinos are applying for license.
Freebitco has earned their credibility thru time, maybe this is the reason why they are contented of not acquiring a license.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Zlantann on December 26, 2022, 05:19:27 PM
First, you need to blame cheaters and money launderers for the implementation of KYC.  If there is no money launderer, there is no need for KYC, if there is no cheaters on casino platform, there is no need for KYC.  If all citizen is honest and no one is into money laundering, the government will not implement KYC on any centralized financial establishment because people don't launder money and the government doesn't feel being cheated.

In my opinion, the application of KYC is not only limited to criminal surveillance, system abuse and the like. Every casino is certain to have a list of restricted countries, yeah they have reasons why it has to be those countries. However they also care about the continuity of their business from users with problematic environmental factors or unfriendly player country rules.

The government and some dubious gamblers are to blame. The government wants to regulate the financial activities of its citizens. Some governments want to make sure that they strictly monitor the income and expenditures of their citizens which to a large extent negates their freedom. Sometimes this supervision would assist them in collecting their tax and carrying out effective economic planning. The government needs to collect data from these casino companies which would serve as inputs in the policy formulation process. Some people also use gambling platforms to engage in diverse criminal activities. This would now force the government to force these gambling firms to make and enforce KYC policies.



Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: klidex on December 26, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
KYC issue might trigger the crypto regulation since the government wants to know who owns crypto and know who are not declaring it as their profit, hard to blame anyone here and maybe this is already part of the system as we continue to grow. Some site are still KYC free though even if they have the licensed from the government agency, but sooner or later they will ask for it and many gamblers have no more choice but to deal with it.
Well, it's just for the sake of regulation itself and mostly applied to casinos. Even on the fiat casinos online, they also ask for KYC and that's why it's necessary even in the crypto casinos.
But what you said is connected to it, they also might want to track those that owns crypto and they might tax them later if they're not filing for their income tax.
I dont think that casinos will cooperate with the government to make customers pay taxes. In my opinion it is not in the interest of online casinos to attract the interest of the government to their site. On the contrary, it is profitable for them to register a site in the jurisdiction where there will be less problems with the government. So I don't think that KYC is introduced because of taxes.
Online casinos have no interest in attracting the interest of the government, but it is the state government that is looking for managers of the casino business.
With the aim that the state government will ask for taxes on every casino site that is used by its citizens.
After all, casinos are a business with enormous income and of course the opportunity is not missed by the state government to be able to require or require each casino site to pay state taxes.
The government itself imposes tax obligations on business owners, not customers who play or gamble on casino sites.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: rahmad2nd on December 26, 2022, 06:05:32 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

In the past, things were not as complicated as this. even back then Crypto exchanges didn't enforce KYC as strictly as it does today. and now, everything has changed, one of which is related to regulations that enforce KYC. no exception, with casino crypto. like it or not, we have to follow the procedures that apply even though each casino has a different level regarding KYC.

there is no one to blame for this, because a centralized casino that has a license must follow the rules implemented by the regulator that houses it. there will always be pros and cons, but believe the rules are actually designed for the common good to avoid things that lead to criminal acts either from the casino or and so on. on the other hand, imposing KYC is very burdensome for those of us who like confidentiality like anonymous. even so, I don't mind KYC especially if the casino that is my favorite has a credible and accountable reputation.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: swogerino on December 26, 2022, 08:38:02 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

In the past, things were not as complicated as this. even back then Crypto exchanges didn't enforce KYC as strictly as it does today. and now, everything has changed, one of which is related to regulations that enforce KYC. no exception, with casino crypto. like it or not, we have to follow the procedures that apply even though each casino has a different level regarding KYC.

there is no one to blame for this, because a centralized casino that has a license must follow the rules implemented by the regulator that houses it. there will always be pros and cons, but believe the rules are actually designed for the common good to avoid things that lead to criminal acts either from the casino or and so on. on the other hand, imposing KYC is very burdensome for those of us who like confidentiality like anonymous. even so, I don't mind KYC especially if the casino that is my favorite has a credible and accountable reputation.

I think it is a good thing that right now not many of the reputable casinos are asking you source of funds as proof in order to withdraw so let's not make that KYC a big drama because it is not,it is only in place to stop money laundering and many casinos pass withdraws of small amounts without problems because the amount cannot be considered for money laundering when it is a small one.The true difficulty will become when even casinos just like exchanges will be forced by this stupid EU law that asks persons to show their source of income.

Luckily though most casino licenses have nothing to do with Europe so I think we are good to go.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: GxSTxV on December 26, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
Online casinos is like any other business that handles financial transactions that requires a Know Your Customer (KYC) validation in order to use their services it’s so important especially when someone is gambling with large amounts of money they need to make sure they are dealing with a normal citizen and also to comply with anti-money laundering and combatting the financing of terrorism regulations that their license provider cleared these rules for them, this step is important also for the casinos to protect themselves from financial losses
So nobody is to blame here


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Desmong on December 26, 2022, 09:17:14 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated? I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.
The reasons is because of the continuous complains from gamblers of getting rub of there funds and the rate of new casinos that are not genuine is highly increasing. KYC is what many gamblers do not really likes and it is preferably for some casinos that do not make it too compulsory or bring it in a harsh way for gamblers to meet up with.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: Renampun on December 26, 2022, 09:45:46 PM
Is the requirement of KYC from online casino the reason that gives birth to online casino getting regulated?

in countries where gambling is legal, gambling there is strictly regulated (not only offline casinos but online casinos too), So you misunderstand that regulated casinos are born because of the KYC requirements imposed by casino developers.

I mean in the past there is no regulation thing pointed to online casino but now all eye are on them for a must regulation if they want to keep their platform alive and functioning.

before online gambling boomed like it is now, the government didn't supervise online casinos because the majority of gamblers didn't play there but over time, that all changed. Gambling is a billion-dollar business, so the government won't let it go easily, the tax money it generates is huge, online gambling has become a trend now.


Title: Re: Who is to blame
Post by: blockman on December 26, 2022, 09:56:53 PM
The reasons is because of the continuous complains from gamblers of getting rub of there funds and the rate of new casinos that are not genuine is highly increasing.
Nongenuine casinos or any establishment will certainly go up. It's not only in the gambling industry but fraud companies are existing to every industry.
And to make it possible to combat them is through regulation by the government, it's good that many are not problematic on it and just go along with whatever the policy they're implementing because we can't do anything with it.

KYC is what many gamblers do not really likes and it is preferably for some casinos that do not make it too compulsory or bring it in a harsh way for gamblers to meet up with.
Yeah, we don't like it but they're being enforced and we have no choice but to continue or simply step away from them just to avoid this policy.