Bitcoin Forum

Advice welcome from anyone in the know.

I have no clue about bitcoin  / wallets  / transferring bitcoin into real cash into my bank account.

But - the reason i want to know is because i have a couple hundred pounds at best in a online casino, played a few slots and won a few quid, but i cannot withdraw the monies despite depositing via Mastercard, I have to withdraw using Bitcoin. It was a bit of fun really, and didnt expect any winnings, so the fact i have some is a bonus.

So - I would like the monies, but I'm not really into the whole bitcoin way of things / long term.  I have looked at some advice on youtube etc..bit lost.

Create a wallet etc  /  or use paypal? ( i dont even have paypal )

All i want to do, a one-off really, is login to the casino and request withdrawal via bitcoin, then, get the bitcoin into my own bank account ( as real money  / i have no intention of saving it or using it for later / just want the cash really ).

So....can anyone advise?  I dont really want to pay charges etc...if i have too..so long as nothing hidden away, a couple of quid for the privledge of transferring etc...

Thoughts more than welcome.

Thanks for any advice given.

My advice would be to install an own non-custodial wallet, even if it's for a casino withdrawal. This is because if anything goes wrong with the withdrawal, you will know that the casino is the culprit, and can fix the issue with their support. If you withdraw to a centralized service or exchange directly, in the case something happens, you won't know which of the two services is to blame.

Bitcoin.org is a good source of information for that: https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

I like to have the wallets on a PC / notebook type device, so my recommendation is Electrum (https://www.electrum.org). Install it and let it sync a couple of minutes (it will not download the whole blockchain, only a couple of blocks) and then withdraw the coins. If you like a mobile wallet more you'll find a lot of good options on the bitcoin.org site.

Then you need an exchange to exchange your coins to fiat. This depends on your country. Binance (https://www.binance.com) is the biggest one and supports lots of countries, but it had some issues lately, so I wouldn't use it for big amounts. If your country is supported then Kraken is a good choice.

Another recommendation: Don't use PayPal to withdraw Bitcoin. They support it but sometimes there have been issues with payments from other persons/services.

I agree that don't use PayPal in withdrawing bitcoin, you may have some problems dealing with it.

Aside from using Electrum, I can recommend Wasabi Wallet (https://wasabiwallet.io/). It's also recommended or part of the list from the website of bitcoin.org.

You don't have to rush upon knowing about bitcoin, take each step at a one time and you'll enjoy the process of having your own bitcoin wallet, from downloading it and receiving that withdrawal of yours from that casino.

Tip: Don't withdraw directly that bitcoin of yours from casino > any exchange (ex. Binance, Coinbase).

Thank you both for that advice.

Ok, well i wouldnt be surprised if i never saw the light of day re monies..but they took my deposit ok ( i know i know! believe me ).

I will give paypal a miss then, i dont think they mention paypal anyway ( just going from youtube videos  ), a european casino etc - so again, be surprised if get the cash. But, would like to try at least.

So, i will see if any other replies ( thanks again for promptness of them ), and try this Wasabi then...sounds familiar if nothing else.

Just, really, wanted to know, before dip toe in, that Im not going to be charged money i do not have etc! /  hidden costs etc / literally want to try withdraw the monies, and then..close any bitcoin app/account once in my bank account.   Do all banks accept it anyway...all legit ( assuming Casino does pay in properly ).

Feels like a World away to be honest, more of a chequebook person truth be told.

Thanks again for the advice.

Im hoping its simplier than it all sounds to be honest.

Hi there, unfortunately you have gone down the gambling rabbit hole, always read their terms and policies first, though I wouldn't encourage anyone to gamble at all.

Fastest way for you to cash out is to post a topic  in this board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0) and wait for a trusted member, then send the bitcoin to their address and receive your cash, make sure to check the trust page of anyone offering you a deal, you can also find the trust button under the names of forum members.

All the important factors had been stated, you can follow their suggestion.  I would like to add another tip.  

Always double to triple check the destination address to ensure that you had it right. Remember crypto transactions are irreversible.
Upon creating a wallet always make sure that you have the back up of the seed phrase or private key at the moment you created the wallet.  We never know when you will need them.  
Keep those keys and phrases away from other eyes.  It is for your eyes only.  :D

Sounds like you're the traditional type. Nothing wrong with that, but note that you'll feel like going from a landline all the way to a smartphone.

So, first things first, you can be charged a withdrawal fee by your casino and then, if you decide to sell bitcoin at an exchange, you'll again be charged a fee. Think of it like the spread between buying and selling foreign currency. They also charge fees.

If you know someone who's tech savvy, they could help you install a bitcoin wallet. Just make sure that you trust them because you'll essentially be setting up an electronic wallet to keep your money in, that requires you to set up recovery phrases and passwords.

You could also go the more dangerous route, but fine if you only want this to be a one time deal. You can set up an account at an exchange like Coinbase and send the coins directly to the deposit address on your account and that account will allow you to sell and withdraw USD to your bank account.

I can certainly understand how all this may be confusing to someone new to cryptocurrencies. We have all been there at some point! Take your time and get things right. If you have any concerns along the way, ask for clarification before proceeding further.

As others have already said, you will need a Bitcoin wallet to get started. A Bitcoin wallet is a software program that allows you to send and receive Bitcoin. There are many different types of wallets available, ranging from mobile wallets that can be installed on your smartphone, to desktop wallets that can be installed on your computer. There are also hardware wallets that can be plugged into your computer and act as another layer of security for your Bitcoin. To get a Bitcoin wallet, you can visit bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet and select the type of wallet that you want to install. The website will show you a list of wallets that are compatible with your operating system, and you can then download one of them onto your computer or mobile device.

Once you have installed the software and created a Bitcoin wallet (by following instructions carefully step-by-step) and familiarized yourself with the basic functions of the software, you will need to provide your Bitcoin address to the person or entity that wants to send you a payment. Your Bitcoin address is a long string of letters and numbers that acts as a unique identifier for your wallet. You can find your Bitcoin address by going to the "Receive" section of your wallet.

To receive a Bitcoin payment, the sender will need to send the payment to your Bitcoin address. You can then check your wallet to see the incoming payment and confirm that it has been received.

It depends on what you're planning to do with your coins. If you're planning to HODL and keep it for at least several years - go the software wallet way (described above, Electrum is a solid wallet). If you'd like to spend it on Xmas presents (haha) you could just create an account on any reputable crypto exchange (like kh... kh... Binance kh.. I know I will receive a bashing for this from other posters) then order their debit card or just sell and withdraw to your account/card.  8)

These are the costs you could face (in total, normally less than $5 or €5, more likely close to $1):

- The casino could charge a withdrawal fee to cover the costs of the transaction (and get a little profit). This is quite common, so nothing to worry about, but should not be more than ~0.0001 BTC / around US$1-2.
- Wallets do normally not charge a fee for its usage. You can be 100% sure if you use a non-custodial one like Electrum as it's free open source software.
- To transfer the coins to the exchange, you will have to pay a transaction fee, which is currently mostly under $0.10$ if you are not in a hurry; if you need the money fast you may currently sometimes (if you have really bad luck) pay up to $5. This amount will however be deducted from your bitcoin balance so you won't be charged "money you don't have". This is a fee charged by the Bitcoin network, so it's nothing "hidden".
- As others have written, the exchange will charge a fee to exchange the coins to dollars/euros/other fiat currency. The "normal" price is 0,2 to 0,5% of the amount of the transaction. Most exchanges (like Binance and Kraken) do not charge maintenance fees. You probably will have to do KYC/AML however, i.e. most likely a video verification. An alternative is a P2P exchange like HodlHodl, Robosats or Bisq; there you won't have to do KYC/AML but they are more difficult to use, and I recommend reading a bit about possible risks (mainly chargebacks) if you chose that option.
- To withdraw the money to your bank account, most exchanges also charge a fee. You can see Binance's fees here (https://www.binance.com/en/fee/fiatFee).

Normally yes, if the amount is not too large. Most people having problems with banks are those who regularly withdraw amounts of over ~1000 $ from exchanges, i.e. from trading, DeFi or gambling profits; or those wanting to withdraw tens of thousands at once.

@OP there's many ways to withdraw your coins and convert it to fiat, I will tell you the ways and it's up to you to choose which way you're want:

1. Using CEX
Casino > centralized exchange > trade BTC/fiat pair > send to your bank account (the risk is you need to KYC your account, it will ruin your privacy).

2. Using DEX
Casino > decentralized exchange > trade BTC/fiat pair > send to your bank account (the risk it's more slower, but you will achieve a good privacy (as long as you didn't KYC your account in your casino)).

3. P2P trade in this forum (you can post in Currency exchange section)
Casino > user's wallet (the risk it's very slow if you only accept unpopular payment and you must use escrow).

How is the ATM bitcoins issue in the UK? From the way you write I understand that you are from there.

What I would do would be to install a wallet on my phone, like Electrum or Mycellium, which are free, withdraw from the casino to your Electrum or Mycellium address and if you want to change the funds to cash, the easiest thing would be to go to a Bitcoin ATM and change them for cash there, although some time ago there was a crackdown in the UK Bitcoin ATMs and I do not know if they are operational now or if they ask KYC, but for low amounts it is usual that they do not ask for it.

Please advice the member to verify Electrum wallet too.
[GUIDE] How to Safely Download and Verify Electrum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240594.0)

Electrum wallet is available for mobile too.
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.electrum.electrum
Download page: https://electrum.org/#download

It has a portable version too but some security advice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154451.0) must be read.
https://download.electrum.org/4.3.2/electrum-4.3.2-portable.exe

You have several ways for withdrawing your assets trough Bitcoin by using cold wallet or withdraw to decentralized exchange market like Binance, Kucoin or Huobi. I think most recommended for withdrawing your Bitcoin to cold or personal wallet because you have own controlling with all your assets.

Have different cases when withdrawing to decentralized exchange like exchange market collapse you will loss all your Bitcoin assets without any guarantee can get refund back, using exchange market acquired with KYC and some exchange market not allowed trading or withdrawing without success KYC document ID.

Check out the local wallet in your country where you can trade your BTC for cash. Or you can use Binance and sell your BTC in p2p going to your bank account.

The way to do this is to sign up on binance and send your BTC from casino to your Binance account. You can find BTC deposit address in your Binance account.

So far I am more comfortable dealing with local exchanges to cash out bitcoins to fiat banks. Just check if there is a local exchange nearby and use it(you have to pass KYC). This at least sums up sending to multiple wallets and unnecessary fees, and there are usually no hidden fees.
Be careful, there are some exchanges that do not accept funding from casino companies, please read carefully their T&C or contact support for more details.

Thank you for all the replies and info, I will take time to read through. Still not a World I want or can afford to delve into..I know spending my pennies on gambling! Hopefully it will be a simple enough process if casino comes good  but it would be a one off.  Thanks again. Popular forum clearly bitcoin is the hot potatoe..rarely seen much activity on a forum as this.

I won't say that there is anything strange in all of this, but which online casino accepts fiat, and at the same time, as the only option for withdrawing funds, gives its clients the only option to do it in Bitcoin? If I were a little paranoid, I would say that in this way they want to make it difficult for their clients to withdraw money and lose it instead, or they will try to deceive them in the withdrawal process by claiming that they sent BTC, and blame all the problems on the clients.

My recommendation is that you take a sample screen of each step that you will do when it comes to sending a transaction from their site, and that you once again try to request that your winnings be paid out in the same way as the deposit was made.

STALKER22 - your paragraph makes it sound simple enough.

Still very hesitant, and i can easily see the casino simply saying 'wrong address' etc /  as you say, 'irrevesible' ..words like that i do not like at all!!  and all these charges!!!

LUCIUS - indeed - i will copy every shot of the way.

I have no interest in holding onto the bitcoin if received.  I want rid of it the second i have it too be honest for cash in my account.

Stalker - so, what youve said, seems ok...'they' send my the bitcoin.

SO...once..i have that in my 'desktop' wallet...its there...it cannot be taken off me by casino etc?    casino part is done..they correctly paid me the bitcoin ( assuming no high hidden charges for privledge ).

So, this casino is in Euro...paying on mastercard transfers via dollers or whatever - to be honest - conversation rate -  Yen anyone!

SO...once i have bitcoin in my wallet....i can then shop around / or look for a way to then get it into my bank account.

For example Danska bank do not deal with bitcoin ( in the headline blurb at least ) , does my 'wallet' transfer that across?



Worse case i lose what..well..is mine...but give it a go?  dip toe in...so long as follow a few simple steps ( this is not simple at all ) .

But thanks once again for the time and replies.

Yes. Once you have bitcoin in your wallet, it is yours  to spend or transfer as you see fit, and no one can take it away from you. There are some fringe cases where hackers or malware attacks can potentially gain access to your wallet, but I don't want to go into too much detail here. The most important thing is that you keep your private keys or backup seed phrases for your wallet secured from unwanted access.


I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here.


Yes. Once you have bitcoin in your wallet, you can use it to buy products and services from any company that accepts the cryptocurrency, or you can send it to a bitcoin exchange like Coinbase or Binance and then withdraw fiat currency into your bank account. Most bitcoin exchanges are only available in certain countries, so check to see if yours is supported before opening an account with them.


Bitcoin is a decentralized system, so your wallet does not rely on any central banks or government institutions. That means your bitcoins are yours, and only yours, to spend as you like!


No problem, happy to help. If you have any more questions, do not hesitate to ask.

thanks once again Stalker, and i wont make a habit of it, youve answered my questions. I downloaded WASABI wallet and yes, already confused..or more..hesitant even what to call it!...but i will youtube that.

Great that once the bitcoin from casino is in my WASABI wallet....then...it may be less perhaps due to them taking a cut ( havent a clue and hoping no hidden small print )....but i can at least rest easy and know i could transfer it into my bank as becomes 'proper money' so to speak.

( ignore my mumblings about 'euro' and yen'..thats just dodgy nature of casinos and ideally, yes avoid at all costs, and intend too..just be nice to get a few quid for once out of them even if was only a few hundred. )

Thanks once more, i wont keep bugging this thread, although may mention to see how i get on.

Hello! I am a newbie in here (first post), but I have been into Bitcoin since 2016. Congrats for the winnings! I just want to point out that you have to give it a try and learn about Bitcoin. Obviously I don't want to advise you against your own will. But, if you decide you want to learn more about Bitcoin and what it is about, let us know! As far as your question is concerned, I believe it was answered thoroughly.

HI

I have looked up what i think i need to know re Wasabi wallet.

All i want to check with anyone out there is..

 - i simplygo into 'receive'  and then give the casino the long address which comes up.   Simply copy/paste.  Thats it.

Yes?

Then down to them to 'send me the bitcoin money'  ( and it will magically appear in my wasibi wallet? )

Yes?

( IF i wanted to withdraw again any 'winnings'  i would again generate a 'new receive address'  and same process.

Simple as that.

( just one email reply said, 'dont give casino your address?  )

If someone could just clarify the above please - tearing few hairs i have out!!   ( how i then 'convert' the bitcoin etc is for another day..so long as i have it from casino is all i want right now )

Tip: Don't withdraw directly that bitcoin of yours from casino > any exchange (ex. Binance, Coinbase).

This comment above...confuses me. 

I thought i just generate an address using wasibi wallet and simply give that address when i click the withdraw button on the casino?

No?

This is a good advice.

Just wanted to add for OP, never use banks on withdrawing your Bitcoin or even big fiat that you've earned via Bitcoin, they will just question it or they will instantly froze your account. Only use local exchanger, I bet there's one in your country, or if you don't have it, look for some alternative, like the P2P in Binance, maybe if it works on you.

CEX P2P such as Binance, Bybit and Okex  supports multiple fiat currency and bank option base on the country that you live. You don’t need to create a Bitcoin wallet if you will just convert your Bitcoin to Fiat then send to your bank account because you can use directly the exchange wallet address to withdraw the token you have on your casino account. P2P is your best choice to convert your crypto into fiat.

There’s non custodial exchange like Bisq that you can trade your crypto into fiat but since you are a completely newbie. I suggest the CEX for an easy access on exchange. The only downside of CEX is you will need to provide KYC in able to unlock the P2P feature.

Try to search on youtube the Binance P2P tutorial.


This is because some exchange doesn’t accept funds that came from casino especially if the casino is sanctioned by the government. But this is very rare to happened and in fact I’m always withdrawing and depositing coins directly from exchange to casino and vice versa. There’s just some rare scenario before that involves this but that doesn’t mean you are not allowed to do this.

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Ok thanks Cointrader, can you just see the message i just sent ( getting ..fedup for want of a better word what between learning something new and messed about by casino ).

This PUBLIC LINK / Account number/ address...they want me to paste in for withdrawals.   Where do i find that in a Wasabi wallet..and is it normal to ask for that?

Yes, because we know that there are a lot of banks who are not Bitcoin friendly but if we know that the banks that we are using are not one of it and we already use it before for withdrawing/depositing our BTC then why not? And I think they will only question you if you withdraw your funds in a casino or a site where they think illegal from their jurisdiction but if it's only about a crypto exchange or a crypto wallet then I think it's totally fine.

Withdrawing money in a local exchanger can be an alternative if we are doubting on using a bank. This is one of the methods I use before when I was a newbie in crypto but the only downside of them is that their fees are high and then there is a delay when claiming the money.

We really appreciate the legendary, senior members and other the advice I don't have much to say but we thank you all for the effort you all put to see our progress in the forum..
I want to know more on how to withdraw bitcoin from my wallet and the some one should please guide me for the trusted wallet I suppose to use

Buy a hardware wallet, and you'll be safe. It is not expensive, but it ensures your safety. Receive Bitcoin from the casino and swap it for stable coins. Then, using a peer-to-peer exchange, cash out your holding. You can use Binance to exchange your cryptocurrency for fiat currency. It appears to be quite popular right now. To withdraw from a gambling site, do not use any centralized exchange or wallet. Your funds would have frozen anyway. So the safest option is to purchase a hardware wallet.

That's a problem now in most centralized wallets, they prohibit users to link their wallets to any gambling platform.
Even in my local wallet, they eventually banned/froze wallets that linked to any gambling platform, so it is not advisable to send your crypto directly on an exchange or a wallet that comes from a gambling casino wallet, much better if you will read the terms of use before making such a decision.

Here's the list of all crypto exchanges (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5270416.0) if you want to withdraw your coin and trade it into your local currency.  P2P exchange or decentralized exchnage if you want to cover your identity or if you aren't afraid of KYC go for a centralized exchnage platform.  There's nothing safer, buy a hardware wallet  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282364.0) that can protect your valuable asset.

the first thing first is what you gonna do with the bitcoin at the first place, if you are gonna withdraw the money you can withdraw it directly to P2P exchanger. If you are using it for saving most of people above already said it, Store in your own wallet or hardware wallet. If you gonna trading it or explore bunch of product better to keep it to your own wallet than transfer it to centralized exchange and make sure use exchange with proof of asset that can be found on coinmarketcap

The first replies on this thread is more than enough to solve this problem like what d5000 stated on his reply.
Install electrum wallet in your laptop/desktop as it only needs small space, go to the official website to get the file as he posted the link also.
Once installed, get one receiving address from the receive tab. I know, most newcomers are scared that they will mess it up.
If you want to make sure you are doing it right, transfer small amount of btc first, like the min withdrawal of the site.
This was what I did when I was just starting. Test first. Once it goes thru and you can see it in your wallet, you can now transfer the rest of your money.
And then, to convert it to your fiat, one very good platform is binance p2p (but you need kyc to use this), if you are hesitant that it won't go thru, transfer small amount again.
Trade your btc with USDT, then transfer your funds to funding to trade p2p - select your fiat in their p2p list. You can directly receive it to your bank or other payment options available in your local currency.

When it comes to cryptocurrencies or bitcoin, you've got to stick to specifics on what is your actual intent with your purpose for a withdrawal. Like,

You want to withdraw a large some and you've got the intention of not exchanging all of it for fiat at once? If yes, then a non custodial wallet would be the best option as, it would be a two way charge and that is, the transfer charge from sending the coin from casino to wallet and also, sending from wallet to exchange for for swapping to fiat.
On the other hand, should you wish for a direct sales of crypto to fiat, then deposit it directly to an exchange might be your option for a one way fee.

Supposing you already know how to process a withdrawal that is.

thanks for the replies, but at the moment i am playing the waiting game. The casino has said,

"..Your withdrawal already was completed from the our side, so for now it's being processed by the payment provider of your region. Please wait for any update from your payment application..>"

and told to wait up to 5days.

Now, this payment provider rejected my previous many mastercard attempts ( mastercard not accepting apparently )

SO..i have my doubts...they are messing me about..keeping me waiting even longer ( thought bitcoin withdrawals were fast! ) ..and then to be rejected and told..why not try open up a metrobank account etc etc

Time will tell.

But...IF....i do get the coins into my Electon wallet...in total might be around 400euro..minus all the fees..and the fact i will be withdrawing in stages, like this first one im doing.  THEN, i will re-read your kind replies and see how i can 'easily' convert to cash. As that is what i want, none of this trading etc...

Hello there,

Although there is a newbie thread where i am hanging in the balance waiting to see if casino is ever going to payup ( into my bitcoin wallet ).

I am very curious to know..as i wait and wait..for the ineviable 'technical reasons cant withdraw to bitcoin' ( like what they did with my mastercard )

SO, situation,

I have withdrawn to Electron wallet. The withdrawal went through on the casino ( accepted ) , a few hundred euros. That was 3days back.  I naturally emailed them few times, all done/dusted our side, but can wait 5days for the provider in your region....

Waffle ( putting it midly )..delay tatics....OR...is there some truth, their reply today ( when i again questioned how long it was taking..and what is a regional provider )


"..."..A payment provider is a gateway for transactions between online services and customers. Usually, transactions do not take much time, but it may take if the payment processor requires additional confirmation of the transaction. We apologize if the delay causes inconvenience, but we appreciate your patience.   "


I am looking at my next move, when they tell me, 'sorry ..additional confirmation..issues'   

Is there any truth their reply....can i counter-act it...can i question it.....any words to the wise?  Expecting in a day or two..NOT..to receive any bitcoins to my wallet...

Im not really curious to your thoughts in the sense, i too think its all dodgy, basically they are not paying out. get over it.   BUT....they are replying to my emails...so..for now..i wait....and curious to know any truth to what they are saying.

Afterall..i just setup a electron wallet, no ID etc...a simple process...is it really that simple, they just transfer bitcoin across. Perhaps when i go to convert to cash ( FIAT? ) then i might need ID etc  ..but thats not for now...for now..just be happy to get something into this wallet.

It is very easy you know. I will advise you create an account by downloading a wallet eg trust wallet then save your keys in a safe place where only you can have access to.
You  copy your bitcoin address to your dashboard on your account withdraw your bitcoin to your wallet. After some onchain confirmation, your bitcoin is deposited in your wallet address.

If you want to convert to fiat, I will advise you register with CEX ie binance, go for p2p platform and do your transaction but it were to be me, I will hodle.

thanks Broad.

I am posting my queries re newbie onto another thread, it was moved elsewhere., but i see your reply to this one, and thought to spread out the query save bugging the same people replying to other thread.

But thanks for the reply. I was recommended there some sites, and i looked at, Hodlehodel.

My bitcoin,only a few hundred euros, comes from a online casino ( initially messing me about, techn.difficulties withdrawing to mastercard, but good to their word ( afterr mistakes on my part ), they did withdraw to bitcoin, Electrum wallet.

So, i am in the position of wanting to turn this into proper cash, into my bank account, so i can pay my bills! ( but liking the 'fun' of seeing the up/downs of bitcoin so will hold a little back ).

So, the first thing I notice is, Hodel does not require KYC etc ( im new to all this really am, literally enjoying playing a few slots online with monies i dont really have to spare more fool me )

SO, i want to do everything by the book, i literally just want to turn this withdraw into cash, no messing about, happy to pay a few fees for the privledge, afterall this if a few quid i didnt expect to get really.

I sign up to Hodel ( doesnt seem to that straightforward to be honest ), and ....how the heck does it work? totally lost tbh ( im googling/learning/youtubing now ), all this casino might not be legit bitcoin etc...i thoughts once its in my wallet, that series of numbers adding to the value of around £300 is as legit, as good as any series of numbers.  I just want some of this coverted to cash. Simple as that.

I will continue to learn / bit like a rabbit hole though...things to avoid. I will check back to see if any replies/ an idiots guide - literally an idiots guide though.

To withdraw all of your assets in the application with bitcoin, you must look at several bitcoin wallets that you can connect to the application because not all wallets will support withdrawals, so you must be careful so that your assets are not lost when making withdrawals. apart from paypal you can use electrum, coinbase which is currently very safe to use, but there are a number of things you have to learn so that mistakes don't occur in making transactions, because there are steps that you have to do and it's difficult for me to be clear and you can looking at some sites that will indeed be easy to understand.

I see that you have posted in this thread as well! I had already responded to your question in the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432529.msg61559095#msg61559095).

I am not sure why you keep insisting that Bitcoin is more complicated than it really is. I remember my early days with Bitcoin, and I do not recall feeling as confused as you seem to be. It is not 2010 anymore, and unless you have been living under a rock, I am sure you have come into contact with at least one person who has some experience with cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin is not as complicated as people once made it out to be, and I believe that any person who has a smartphone and an Internet connection should have no problem learning at least the basics of how Bitcoin works. There are plenty of excellent resources available, both online and in print, that explain all of this in a way that is easy to understand, and if you don't like any of those then simply ask a friend who knows about Bitcoin. I am sure they will be more than happy to explain it to you, and if they don't know then you can find someone else who does. The cryptocurrency world is full of people who are more than willing to help newcomers, and it is not hard to find them.

Ignorance may be bliss, but it is not going to do you any favors when it comes to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Educating yourself about new technologies and how they can potentially impact your life is crucial, whether that be financially or otherwise. And once you have learned the basics, you will be better equipped to decide if cryptocurrencies are right for you or not.