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Idea is let's collect money for the futures markets liquity and volatility so we dont need instutions and Fed.
If everybody will donate about 5$ it can make miracles.
If you can donate to make markets liquity and better volatility better bigger pmps and dmps.


Whos down for that idea ?

In crypto field if you are helping your self then you dont need anyones help this field need high experience and knowledge ,
 And you are talking about  liquidity and volatility patience is the key dont take high leverage trades and stop panic trades .

For God's sake, please go and check how many dollars do you need in real to move BTC/USD even a buck up or down? Do you think that you can beat institutions and Fed, the place that prints money?
Better think again and stop with these stupid ideas because the more you try to push the bears, the more the bears will kill your hopes by burying your positions and liquidate you. Losing $5 alone won't matter a lot, but losing millions of dollars collectively will lower the confidence of both, the investors and the traders who go for this.

A few important questions:
Who will hold the funds here?
Who is trustworthy enough to execute your plans in real?
If we are here for pumps and dumps only, where is decentralisation and what is the point of crypto if we only want more volatility and profits only?

If I can understand you correctly, are you talking about donation of $5 from traders? Donation to where? Whose wallet or for what? If you talking about using it to trade then how do you go about that and who trades it? You are not making a coherent post here. You need to make your post meaningful.

To binance liquity donation or anu other EXCHANGERS.
No matter how we make profit but profit and volatility must be there .
Exchangers should collect funds to execute big dpms or pmps but big ones like 50% up or down. So if i entry on position with high leverage i make in few hours from 1000$ to 10000$ either short or long.

It's not clear what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting that individuals should donate money in order to improve liquidity and volatility in the futures markets? If so, it is unlikely that such a scheme would be effective. The liquidity and volatility of financial markets are influenced by a wide range of factors, including economic conditions, market regulations, and investor sentiment, among others. It is unlikely that small individual donations would have a significant impact on these factors. Additionally, it is not clear how the money collected from such donations would be used to improve liquidity and volatility in the futures markets.

Why will I donate? If you do not give a return for donation, you will not guarantee the continuity of the project.
Donate alone will give several questions:

• What will ensure that you will not escape money?
• What will happen if the demand increases continuously?
• What will happen if the dog suddenly increases.

Unless there is a good and profitable ROI, no one will donate a free.

No one's down for that idea but only you.

Someone who just want to trade casually are not going to be willing to have that donation to someone unknown and has this idea because that's not going to work.

Thus, the market's too volatile and there are folks that wouldn't want to try into futures. It's only you that has the guts to do that with someone else's money, this is like lowkey FTX style of trading LOL.

I am not sure if I get his idea but it seems like he is planning to collect money and then pump and dump this market but I don't even think that's a great idea. First, how will the people trust him? He even doesn't look like a trusted person. Second, manipulating is strictly prohibited here. It will be better if we will just leave the market move on its own or in a natural way.

Institutions and Fed do also have their own purpose so we can't just disregard them. If the OP wants to try futures trading then he should only use his own money so that he will know how hard it is and why many of us won't try it, especially on these current market conditions.

There are for sure, those people who did not trust who will hold the fund.
There is a question above that I want to ask again since you did not answer --who holds the fund? is this trustworthy enough?
We know money is the root of evil, it could create any crime once it is a huge amount. However, I don't think it will help, you need a large chunk of money before you can control the market. Even big whales now have hard to manipulate the market, because it cost too much of dollars before they can play the market.

Oh wow, what a fantastic idea! Let us just ask the entire world to donate a measly $5 and all of our problems will be solved. I am sure there won't be any challenges or risks to this plan at all. I mean, who wouldn't want to give away $5 to fix the futures markets? This is definitely going to work.

One question, though. Who will be responsible for managing these funds? Are you volunteering for this role?

This could lead to potential exit scam, i dont think anyone will be a dump to the extent of sending donation to a random address to aid liquidity during volatility, the question is how long will you continue the pumping and what mechanism do you have to suppot the stability of liquidity supply in form of the so called $5 donation.I think ops is confused and he is over thinking things in his head, and no one will buy into that idea. How can donations from trader help build liquidity and make bitcoin look as if bitcoin is a crowdfunding scheme which is not the case with bitcoin.

Bitcointalk admin can collect the funds.
I don't care who Will do it as long as someone will do it Im in crypto only to get money for me don't matter how i get it or who Will collect liquity funds as long as Market functioning the way to give maximum ammount of money to me.
I dont mind to donate Even more If i can make money we all can it's called power of unity power of crowd funding we collect money and put money to work For us.

No one will agree with your idea, and my guess is that you don't even have details about it yourself. $5 is relatively small and if collected by many people it will be a lot of money but we will not be able to fight the whales and the Fed who have not only money but the ability to make regulations that can change the direction of the crypto market, sometimes it is the regulations that have more impact than the money they have.

That's what he thinks to do, to pump and dump.

He's trying to be an organizer but I don't think that someone's going to bite into that idea. The whales are capable of doing that because they've got the money and connections, real life connections.

But for individuals like us, even he manages it correctly or successfully. I highly doubt that it's going to be able to move the market, it doesn't go like that even if he organizes a group to pump/dump.

It's surprising how most traders think the market could be easily manipulated by having much funds to come close or even equal the whales.

Okay, let me understand this.
Traders get money from other traders misjudgement on the market. Your selling g is someone else's buying and so, when you get to pull funds together of which it's mot possible with hopes to manipulate the market, which is not also possible, you all would have to go same direction and then what?
You get the whales to go opposite and the you make money? I don't know if you get the picture am trying to paint here at OP but, it just doesn't work that way.

Well, I am just spitballing here, but I doubt the bitcointalk admin would be too keen on that idea. But hey, it never hurts to ask!


Oh, of course, because it is not about supporting the project or contributing to the community, it is all about getting as much money as possible for yourself. It is all about the mighty dollar, right? And where do you think that money will come from? I am sure the other members of the community will be thrilled to know that they are just a means to an end for you. Good luck with that mentality.

Nobody is, and the forum won't welcome such idea as it's against the forum beliefs. As a trader you are advise against taking money from people in trading no matter how experience you think you're. The market doesn't respect anyone and can humble you at the least moment you expected. This means if the money you're using to trade isn't yours and you can't afford to lose it then you would have put yourself into debt that could spoil both your reputation and interest in trading.

Don't entrust your money to anyone on the forum as they can run away with it and nothing can be done about it as most identify here aren't real and will be untraceable if they were to scam.

High leverage in trading is to be discouraged if you want to sustain your funds and grow it. If you are trading on high it is good for profit because in a twinkle of an eye you are up in profit but that is same way that you will run in losses when you are losing. Which do you prefer then? I prefer low leverage trading because it can help in accumulating my profit and better follow up of the market moves.

I don't think this proposal will work and let admin agree with your plan.
It seems a big slap on Bitcoiners here to do a pump and dump on Bitcoin by doing such action, you can't manipulate the market, if you do once, for sure it'll not happen again.  There's a high volume in the market and I don't think it's as simple as you think.

No one also wants to hold that big responsibility here, imagine you hold a large amount of money.  Bitcoin was designed for a digital payment system, not a pump and dump.

This won't work, IMO.

There's a whole chunk of information not stated in your post. Answers to questions such as:
why should we donate?
What cause are we donating to?
what purpose will our donation serve?
who manages the donation?
If you can provide answers to these questions, then maybe we can see what message your proposal is trying to pass across.

You should know that trading isn't crowd funding. It's not like anyone should even force anyone into trading. So, what's the point of asking anyone to pool resources to achieve a certain perceived objective? The whole idea of what you're suggesting has already fallen flat on its face. You don't build liquidity that way, dragging investors into what they don't have a clear picture of. They're bound to lose interest and want out. By the way, whose wallet is going to control the donation? Let's start with a response to that question first.

Most of the question you posted barely addressed by the OP if you can read again the whole short statement and a couple of his reply in terms of who will gonna hold the funds.

He is proposing to every trader to help CZ getting more money by this crowdfunding. All funds that donated on the binance liquidity will obviously goes to the company since they are CEX and not a non profit organization. This an absurd idea in general.

Pumps and dumps will be coming back to market without people needing to contribute the amount you mentioned.
You just have to wait a little longer because we are close to seeing that happen and there are even some coins that are starting to get some nice moves in the market.
Traders will return to their profits when the market starts to change direction for the better and until then, we can use our time to accumulate more amounts.
But if you can analyze properly, you only need to get small profits and don't need to chase big profits if the situations don't allow it.

Donating is a waste of time because the market can't be manipulated by funding it. All you need to do is to have patients and wait till the price go up. I will not donate a dime because scammers are everywhere to do away with people's funds. This idea of yours OP is not the best way for building liquidity.

Donation for liquidity? I don’t know how it works but $5 is already a big thing and where to donate? Is this a trusted platform? I actually don’t know what are trying to say here. Anyway, based on the subject trader should not depend to anyone and instead a trader should have their own strategy which I agree. Every trader should know the possible risk of its decision, trading is not that easy so better to take it seriously.