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Title: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: raybucks on January 08, 2023, 03:22:51 PM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up





Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Lucius on January 08, 2023, 03:36:51 PM
I am just feeling bitcoin will never come to 50k at max

That's your feeling and I guess there's a reason why you think so. In addition, if you are only interested in Bitcoin because of the price, I would say that you will be very disappointed in your life many more times.

please explain me why bitcoin will make all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

How can someone explain to you if something will happen when no one can predict the future? If you are interested in speculation, then visit that board, there you will find various theories, although they are more or less all based on the personal feelings of individual members. In short, someone could write countless pages on this topic, but even if you read them, you wouldn't be any smarter than you are now.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 03:36:56 PM
bitcoin is feeling the pressure to stay below $17k for one reason

many "futures/options/leverage" traders done "contracts"(bets) on bitcoin to be at or below $17k when their contracts expire. and so they are putting alot of their other investment pots of cash into public spot markets to "whale-wall" the price from exceeding $17k so that they do not lose when their contracts expire

sooner or later once contracts expire and new contracts of "below $17k" are not put. then the walls will disappear and speculation will raise the spot market



looking at real economic fundementals

bitcoins spot market was only ever going to swing between $10k-$75k in 2021

there is reason why buyers fizzled out at $70k in 2021
there is reason why sellers fizzled out at $15k in 2022

its because there were ways to acquire bitcoin independently from the market that made buyers see that the premium of spot was getting to be too much compared to other bitcoin acquisition methods(mining)

in short if bitcoin mining was at a most efficient low cost mining operation of $10k in 2021 then no one would want to sell below that because no one could make btc for less. which created a low level value support line. everyone had costs above this amount and so speculation kept prices above that line

in short if bitcoin mining was at a most in-efficient high cost mining operation of $75k in 2021 then no one would want to buy bitcoin above that because no everyone could make btc for less, even hobby minors in remote locations like hawaii. which created a top resistance premium  line. everyone had mining costs below this amount and so speculation kept prices below that line

2022 was a $15k-$90k economic window
and so far first week for 2023 is the same rough amount

we may see this window rise allowing for speculation to possibly see an ATH but so far the max position of a potential ATH is less than $100k


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Little Mouse on January 08, 2023, 03:47:40 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make all time high
Did you explain why it won't? No. Can you explain? I think no again. It's your feeling. Should I say bitcoin will have an all-time high again in the future because it's my feeling, would you trust that answer? lol.

Anyway, back in the day, when I was a kid, we used to buy gold 1 vorhi (a local word) with 2k BDT. I can't imagine even that now. It's 80k BDT now. Does it change the fact that I can't live without using BDT? No. It's impossible.
The same is true here as well. It's a currency. If BTC doesn't ever hit new ATH, it still will be the same, a currency. This won't change anything.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: mk4 on January 08, 2023, 03:48:29 PM
I am just feeling bitcoin will never come to 50k at max

Or better yet, maybe tell us why you're actually "feeling" that bitcoin wouldn't go above 50k again? So we can actually start the discussion somewhere. Because if you don't have a half-decent reason, then this is pretty much just the typical novice mindset.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: raybucks on January 08, 2023, 03:58:57 PM
I am just feeling bitcoin will never come to 50k at max

That's your feeling and I guess there's a reason why you think so. In addition, if you are only interested in Bitcoin because of the price, I would say that you will be very disappointed in your life many more times.

please explain me why bitcoin will make all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

How can someone explain to you if something will happen when no one can predict the future? If you are interested in speculation, then visit that board, there you will find various theories, although they are more or less all based on the personal feelings of individual members. In short, someone could write countless pages on this topic, but even if you read them, you wouldn't be any smarter than you are now.

I don't interested in price I interested in bitcoin and it's all unique advantages and technology i asked just general question for price believers


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: mindrust on January 08, 2023, 04:08:16 PM
Who cares? Bitcoin will function anyway. The price don't affect bitcoin's ability transact value. If you invested more than you could afford to lose, that's your problem. Nobody said bitcoin is a rock solid investment which will make you rich. The sooner you learn and adapt to this reality the better it is for you. If you want to make money get a job, make other investments (like buying real estate). Bitcoin is not the only game in town.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: tbct_mt2 on January 08, 2023, 04:18:17 PM
Its supply is only 21M bitcoins in total circulation in 2140. People lost their private keys, lost their bitcoins so total circulation, total supply would be smaller than 21M.

Will it come up and make new all time highs?

It depends on demand and supply. Supply is not change or if has changes, it will be lower supply by lost bitcoins. Demand will be bigger or smaller but I believe it would be bigger in future.

When demand is bigger, supply is the same or smaller, price must make new all time highs.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: GideonGono on January 08, 2023, 04:22:30 PM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high

Most of the Time Bitcoin would climb up before the Halving and those time are when Bitcoin makes a New ATH.
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
The price of crypto depends on the demand and there are so many factors which affect it just like news about it that would create (FUD or FOMO).
But for me as long as it have a value then there would still be a chance for it to come back.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: cabron on January 08, 2023, 04:24:40 PM
The cycle is easy to explain as to why BTC price will eventually hit another ATH as it always does. With that, it's assured due to its limited supply.

But like any asset, price is determined by lots of factors including market demand, sentiment, and overall economic conditions which is becoming worse and we all know how it started. During 2021, BTC still hit a new ATH despite the virus that made our lives difficult due to lockdowns.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: uneng on January 08, 2023, 05:03:25 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
Potential ATH should happen due to next Bitcoin halving in 2024. When this happens, the number of btc per block mined decreases by the half, so new bitcoin entering the market becomes more scarce and valuable, theoretically. By looking the history, halvings have never disappointed investors previsouly. That is why there are is a strong belief it's not going to be different next time...

or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
The market is composed by cycles called bull and bear markets. Bull represents the prosperous cycle of rising and the bear represents the cycle of stagnation and crashes in prices. We can never be on a same cycle forever, so they are constantly following each other, like the seasons of the year.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: noormcs5 on January 08, 2023, 05:20:54 PM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


Since you are a newbie here on bitcointalk and I believe that you are new to the bitcoin market also, so your fear is genuine. It is not easy to digest an 80% price dump from all the time high and still hope that bitcoin will recover from there.

However, you need to see the price history of bitcoin from 2009 till date and you will realize that this is not the first time bitcoin is down. Previously, bitcoin has recovered from 80-85% dump and it will do the same this time. Bitcoin will follow the four year market cycle revolving around the Halving.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: kryptqnick on January 08, 2023, 05:24:45 PM
It is perfectly possible that the price will never go up. However, it seems unlikely because over the course of almost 14 years, Bitcoin went through various bear markets with always not just recovering but significantly surpassing its previous highest point. So there just doesn't seem to be a good reason to believe that it will be different this time, especially given that nothing truly threatening happened to Bitcoin. If there was something unique about the current crash to suggest that Bitcoin can't come back from it, that would be another thing, but it's just FUD over a big exchange crash, nothing new.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 05:28:19 PM
The market is composed by cycles called bull and bear markets. Bull represents the prosperous cycle of rising and the bear represents the cycle of stagnation and crashes in prices. We can never be on a same cycle forever, so they are constantly following each other, like the seasons of the year.

because bitcoin is not inflationary but deflationary.. the economic terms are upside down compared to fiat economics of inflation

i feel we should create new terms to define such

personally(more comedy than proposal) due to everyone talking about traders being whales, shrimp. . we could use water based themes instead of land based themes

such as sea levels and river flows
sea levels rise. rivers go downstream

where a cod stays under the sea level and a salmon wants to swim upstream


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: crwth on January 08, 2023, 05:30:54 PM
Tell me about what if. It’s all about what if. What if it is there already? All these questions don’t mean anything unless the price has already passed some significant milestone or something like that. There were a lot of people before when bitcoin started. They said that it wouldn’t go into hundred dollars but look at where we are now. So maybe these things will happen again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 05:37:12 PM
the funny parts of "what if"

when people say what if the price did go to $89k new ATH(its atleast within the economic window of possibility)
they at the $89k dont trigger. instead they form a new "what if" of 'what it continues to go up'  thus they dont sell at $89k

thus months prior.. why even be asking "what if it does go to $89k" (or any amount) if majority dont actually trigger and sell at the amount they mention months prior

same for the opposite
if you have no plan to sell for under $20k. making "what if" about prices below $20k is pointless


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: salad daging on January 08, 2023, 05:49:09 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Because bitcoin works and has been widely used by the community, it will make it higher all the time because there are always cycles that occur in bitcoin throughout its lifetime.

The state of bitcoin makes it low because there are several factors such as supply and demand effects of FUD or other types that influence the community to become unstable holding bitcoin, but I am never sure if bitcoin does not appear again because this is one of the coins of freedom which is an alternative after fiat .


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Oceat on January 08, 2023, 05:51:14 PM
The title and the message didn't collab as well or should we explain why Bitcoin would not pump up or what if Bitcoin won't pump up?

If you know how Bitcoin works and the very basic of economics then you might find your answer. I think almost everyone who knows what is Bitcoin and how it works truly understand why Bitcoin in bear market won't grow up or is taking too long to grow back and past this $16k-ish price.

OP might need to research again(?) the whole concept of Bitcoin as to why or how things work so that he won't frustrated with why is the price keeping too low for too long.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: OgNasty on January 08, 2023, 06:07:35 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

It will go up in price because it has to.  With the block reward being halved every four years, it puts the market in a position of continued declines in supply (new coins being mined) while demand continues increasing due to adoption.  There's really only two things that can happen.  The price rises, or the market dies.  This does bring risks that someday the price of BTC will crash in a death spiral with mining hashrate, but I don't think we're there yet.  With Wall Street climbing on board, I suspect we'll have at least one more massive top before things start to fall apart.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Crypt0Gore on January 08, 2023, 06:10:45 PM
The exact kinda comment you can only hear from a newbie, you need some learning to do OP, there is a reason why Bitcoin has value and you don't know it that why you asking this question, do you know what Bitcoin halving is? If not please do your own research, when scarcity takes place on anything the value always skyrockets.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 06:24:12 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

It will go up in price because it has to.  With the block reward being halved every four years, it puts the market in a position of continued declines in supply (new coins being mined) while demand continues increasing due to adoption.  There's really only two things that can happen.  The price rises, or the market dies.  This does bring risks that someday the price of BTC will crash in a death spiral with mining hashrate, but I don't think we're there yet.  With Wall Street climbing on board, I suspect we'll have at least one more massive top before things start to fall apart.

not so much

there are 19mil coins in circulation.. and only 900 a day are produced

looking at the volume of exchanges and reserves exchanging.. the "supply" is not key to market sentiment..
.. instead its COST of acquisition

with the most economical way to obtain new bitcoin on the entire planet being $15k no one on the planet can acquire coins below $15k right now. and thats what creates the non-zero bottom support value

if buyers only want to invest $875 instead of $1.65k
its not that a seller has to sell 0.1btc for half price.. instead sellers only offer 0.05btc for $875

markets do not require full circulation supply on the market order line. markets dont require orders of whole bitcoin. meaning if buyers only want to pay less. sellers can also give less.

sellers of the most efficient mining will flatly refuse to sell at a loss so if prices got to their low.. sellers just fizzle out

as for the death spiral of hashrate
bitcoin has to have a massive utility/function/bug/code break to really scare the mining community

now lets imagine the hashrate is differing levels of users

260

130-----------------------------

   0
imagine miners below the line are the industrial miners with long term efficient hardware bought at wholesale and on electric purchase contracts at fixed rates for 6-24 months. where they will mine no matter what. because they have contract and hardware that needs to continue running. and turning it off intermittently saves them nothing

imagine above the line is the speculative hobbiests that pays electric by the month and decide certain days are too competitive thus less reward. some months the market price is too cheap thus mining is costing them more than just buying. and so those above the line jump in and out at a whim

jumping out of the above line group gives more reward to the underline group meaning their cost per coin under the line gets better to be more sustainable passed the 2 year average(thus as long as there is no big break/bug in bitcoin code. they will keep mining no matter what)

the efficiencies of mining has changed from a 4cent/kw 2020 to a 6 cent/kw 2022 due to world economics. which has seen part of the bottomline value moving from $5k-$10k.. to in 2022 $15k

everyone elses costs above that are random above this.. but generally speaking even in hobby miner in hawaii(highest electric) could have mined for under $75k in 2021 and under $95k in 2022-first week of '23

however most of the potential miners above the line. (estimated at 350ex of "waiting asics" are not mining and instead people are buying coin. where only a few of the hobby miners are mining above the line (average of total hash 230-260 average


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Hamza2424 on January 08, 2023, 06:34:11 PM
From the OP title. I am presenting my theory on what if Bitcoin price never comes up and the theory ia that OP is from Mars and Ellon Musk brought him from there to Predict the Bitcoin cycle of 2023 to 2027 haha. Dear many auch title topics started and ended i think Bitcoin dont wven know the existence of such queries and proce ia continuing its journey.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Yawa2020 on January 08, 2023, 06:58:22 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
I will follow your post title to say something. If Bitcoin price never goes up then we'll continue having discussion and anticipating just as we are doing now. The price is stagnant now and we have nothing to do except to be optimistic and keep discussing. However, the Bitcoin price started somewhere and it will move somewhere not immediately but definitely.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: lionheart78 on January 08, 2023, 07:11:36 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high

In a market where supply and demand command the price movement and hype and FUD dictates the market sentiment, every four years Bitcoin tends to reduce it supplies through block halving, and by that hype around the market build-up.  When two positive things collide and mixed up, there is a synergized reaction where the effect on the market is multiplied.  The reason why the halving and hype combine produces a market surge that triggers panic buying.  This is the main reason why Bitcoin produces another all-time high when Bitcoin halving happened, it is not instant but a series of event that triggers one thing to another.

or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

Every surge comes with correction, and FUD same thing as how the market surge builds up, this time is the opposite reaction.  As correction and FUD appear, the effect on the market sentiment heightens and the negative impact made the people panic sell which leads to a price crash.  The effect of the negative sentiment will dissipate as time goes on and as new companies adopt Bitcoin which makes the market goes sideways until a new hype started to build up.

The two actions and reactions in the marketplace what makes the Bitcoin cycle.  Bitcoin halving is the most important turning point of this cycle.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: seoincorporation on January 08, 2023, 07:24:11 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

Because Markets work with the users' demand, it's simple as that, if there is a high demand for bitcoins, then the price goes up and if there's a low demand the price goes down.

A good example of this would be if Elon Musk post a tweet about how he is going to invest $100M in Bitcoin, That would generate a huge demand in the market because is not only the $100M Buy, is the fact that other people buying too that could send the price to a new ATH.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 07:38:03 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

Because Markets work with the users' demand, it's simple as that, if there is a high demand for bitcoins, then the price goes up and if there's a low demand the price goes down.

dont be so sure about your high school economics class based on fiat traditions

fiat requires full shares to be sold (no decimals)

bitcoin can actually go up in price with less demand

yep imagine there were 3 people wanting bitcoin in 2023

buyer 3 $16.954 for 1btc
buyer 2 $16.952 for 1btc
buyer 1 $16.950 for 1btc

however
we can have
buyer 2 $8.5 for 0.0005btc (=$17k/btc)
buyer 1 $16,950 for 1btc 

if buyer 2 order gets hit. the price moves more with less "demand" in scenario 2


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Blawpaw on January 08, 2023, 07:52:03 PM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up



It is all about scarcity, real-world use and freedom. Bitcoin is not an asset that is scarce and has real-world use, it is also a tool that allows you to be in control of your own finance. In fact, it is the only asset that allows you to be in total control, and that is its true value.  Now, as with every asset, it will face lows and highs, and if you look at Bitcoin's price action since its first appearance, you can pretty much check it is on an ascending pattern on the long run and if you relate it with its fundamental's such the "halvening" you can understand the reason that Bitcoin still has a real potential of seeing new highs.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: carlfebz2 on January 08, 2023, 10:37:51 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
No one really knows if we do talk about the future on which you cant really be able to tell or no man on this world would able to do so because this would really be that subjective.
It would really be depending on the demand and would really be depending on the recognition of the community or the market where its value is really that determined or really basing into that.
Bitcoins price never comes up or increase?It cant be possible considering that we are really having that long bearish market but doesnt mean that it wont be have a chance on going
up after a year or more or no one really knows.This market is unpredictable and there's no way you could be able to determine that.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: romero121 on January 08, 2023, 10:49:21 PM
With time the price have increased in connection to the varying supply and demand. Being speculative the market used to react to the incidents happening around. At times influencers make some movements on the market. This way the market will always moves in some direction. Till date the market have bounced amidst the opposition and support.

Over the years, the market have widened. From the illegal status to the adoption as a legal tender too can be mentioned as a reason that the price will increase and make new ATH.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Mpamaegbu on January 10, 2023, 08:29:37 PM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Well, the simplest explanation to offer you will be to ask you to check historical data. There you will see how price performs its dance. I've experienced two bear seasons and from there drawn my conclusion that Bitcoin is a phoenix, a paradoxical cat with nine lives. It won't die. No matter how crushed price seems today, just keep buying. It will revive sooner than anyone expects. I expect Bitcoin to record another ATH of $100k+ this next bull season that will come up in 2024.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: qwertyup23 on January 10, 2023, 10:44:46 PM
I am just feeling bitcoin will never come to 50k at max

Or better yet, maybe tell us why you're actually "feeling" that bitcoin wouldn't go above 50k again? So we can actually start the discussion somewhere. Because if you don't have a half-decent reason, then this is pretty much just the typical novice mindset.

Most likely, OP based this ultimately on his feelings without any factual basis to substantiate this claim.

The reason on why most invest in BTC is due to its high volatility. Investing either for short/long-term has been proven to at least be profitable depending if you were able to convert your BTCs into cash in time. By basing it also purely on its price history index, you would see that the price of BTC had increased tenfold. Along with the 2024 halving coming, it is best to invest at this time to maximize all of your profits.

OP remember that the sky is the limit once you invest in BTC. You may feel that it will never come to 50k max and that was also the mindset of some people when they claimed that BTC will not reach $1,000; $2,000; or even $5,000 6-10 years ago.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Accardo on January 11, 2023, 01:15:45 AM
Op, you sound like BTC price fell for no reason. They were many things that affected bitcoin price like the Terra and FTX crash that affected bitcoin price to hit below 30k and 20k respectively. And it was noted that Elon musk boosted bitcoin price to 60k in 2021 later he took his profits and money back. These are some activities that affected bitcoin price to drop drastically. So, I'd say that since there are known facts to the fall in price of bitcoin, soon it'll correct with other known facts to the bullish run. Remember, Few investors can facilitate the market price into bull run. There have never been a bear market without a bull market and vice versa. Few days back the price had a bit of increase and it could pick up from there. Therefore, this is the best time to buy, and I'd say you shouldn't worry about the market going bullish. It'll definitely will.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 11, 2023, 01:19:16 AM
There's all sorts of different things that could make the price of bitcoin rise back up to an all time high, but it's certainly not something I think will happen anytime soon.  I think this FTX deal has been a pretty crappy drag on things, but once that blows over, and some other finance companies take on bitcoin buying/selling etc, things will start to recover.

All sorts of things could make it go lower.  If the financial markets tank again, even worse, it could certainly take bitcoin down with it.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: CryptoBuds on January 11, 2023, 03:42:56 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up





There is no exact answer or concrete proof to what you are asking, bitcoin may never rise again, and new ATH can also be created, anything can happen. If someone can prove or have proof that bitcoin will go up in price and create ATH, then I think we will scramble, and there are not enough bitcoins left for us to buy, and that is no longer an opportunity. Opportunity is when things are unclear and only for those who have faith in it. Do you see an opportunity when investing in gold? There is no opportunity when everything is so clear, but with bitcoin there is.



Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: LittleBitFunny on January 11, 2023, 04:38:27 AM
Speak in the simplest way possible, all of us here invest in bitcoin, so of course, we all want Bitcoin to go up to be profitable no one wants our investment to lose, and that's why people always say bitcoin will hit ATH.

Also, looking at bitcoin's history, it has consistently hit ATH for the past 14 years after each halving, and that's a good reason to believe history will repeat itself. A worthy reward is only for those who do not see and believe, those who are lazy, do not have faith, do not deserve that reward.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Despairo on January 11, 2023, 05:01:29 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
Because Bitcoin supply is fixed and if there's a high demand to obtain Bitcoin, it will force people who're willing to pay more and more. Similar like when you post order buy on the exchange, you're want to buy Bitcoin at $15,000 but the other people willing to buy it for $16,000. Which one does the seller will sell his coin? of course he will sell for the guy that offer $16,000.

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or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Bitcoin price go lower because there's FUD spreading, it's either Bitcoin is scam, not secure or all governments will ban Bitcoin, also global economy problem is possible.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: laurenB7742 on January 11, 2023, 06:07:23 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up




The value of any asset is determined by the belief system of people, our demand for the asset, and the supply of the asset. Like gold has a high value due to its high demand and extremely limited supply, likewise, the bitcoin supply is said to be less than gold and with what is going on, the demand for bitcoin is increasing day by day. Based on that, we are right to think that bitcoin reaching ATH is possible.

From my own point of view, bitcoin is a manipulative market, so if it can't recover there won't be any participants and the big players can't make a profit, so I think they will find a way to maintain it.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: AngelB on January 11, 2023, 06:13:28 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up





Simple, the Dollar and other fiat is toilet paper, and many people are greedy sheep, so as soon as a strong break upwards happens, like it always does, the heard and "HODLers" will go nuts and eventually drive the price to new highs. Also note: Bear markets can take a very long time, but this next rally will be awesome!


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: rby on January 11, 2023, 09:44:47 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

It will go up in price because it has to.  With the block reward being halved every four years, it puts the market in a position of continued declines in supply (new coins being mined) while demand continues increasing due to adoption.  There's really only two things that can happen.  The price rises, or the market dies.  This does bring risks that someday the price of BTC will crash in a death spiral with mining hashrate, but I don't think we're there yet.  With Wall Street climbing on board, I suspect we'll have at least one more massive top before things start to fall apart.

Wonderful to know that you foresee and believe that things will fall apart with bitcoin in the nearest future which could be after the next halving. I have seen people who are projecting that bitcoin will be here in the next 30 to 50 years.
I don't know how they arrived at their believe and looking at your comment you arrived at your believe due to demand and supply. I don't know what to say but I know bitcoin is full of surprises.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Woodie on January 11, 2023, 11:21:36 AM
For now bitcoin could be feeling the bearish pressure because of a few events that happened like exchanges being hacked etc, but the secret arsenal it has to guarantee prices go up is its limited supply and all it takes is more increased pressure to come from demand to force prices to go up to fulfill these needs... For now it's a waiting game, stay put.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Sayeds56 on January 11, 2023, 11:32:22 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


There is no guarantee that Bitcoin price will rise again but price of any asset depends on its supply and demand. Unlike fiat currencies, it has limited supply of 21 Millions whereas fiat currencies can be printed in unlimited quantities which causes inflationary pressure & buying power of currencies declines over time. That is why investors believe that Bitcoin is the best asset to hold for long term.
With every halving of Bitcoin reward which occurs approximately every four years, reduces the rate at which new Bitcoins are supplied  in the market which could, in theory lead to increase in its price, even if demand remains same or goes up.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Chucksmark on January 11, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
I don't think it is possible for the Bitcoin price not to rise again, because considering the overall market history of Bitcoin for the last 10 years, you will understand that it is still at its optimal performance. Bitcoin has come to stay. What is happening now are normal market fluctuations that will come and go with time.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: klidex on January 11, 2023, 02:04:20 PM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


There is no guarantee that Bitcoin price will rise again but price of any asset depends on its supply and demand. Unlike fiat currencies, it has limited supply of 21 Millions whereas fiat currencies can be printed in unlimited quantities which causes inflationary pressure & buying power of currencies declines over time. That is why investors believe that Bitcoin is the best asset to hold for long term.
With every halving of Bitcoin reward which occurs approximately every four years, reduces the rate at which new Bitcoins are supplied  in the market which could, in theory lead to increase in its price, even if demand remains same or goes up.
I agree with your opinion and it is true that bitcoin crypto assets are different from fiat money so they cannot be equated.
Bitcoin will experience HALVING every 4 years and when this happens, the price of Bitcoin will increase and be able to make the crypto market strengthen and Altcoins fly following the price of Bitcoin itself.
So do not be surprised if Bitcoin can affect the price of other cryptos and crypto markets.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: bounceback on January 11, 2023, 02:04:48 PM
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With every halving of Bitcoin reward which occurs approximately every four years, reduces the rate at which new Bitcoins are supplied  in the market which could, in theory lead to increase in its price, even if demand remains same or goes up.
Yes, because the supply of bitcoins is limited, there is a huge potential if the price becomes more valuable when the demand for bitcoins increases and if you look at the history of bitcoin in the past, when the bitcoin halving occurs, the price will soar because during the halving many investors' funds will flow into the market in large quantities and causing massive buying pressure to make the price of bitcoin go up due to limited supply.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Rana590 on January 11, 2023, 02:44:03 PM
I don't think it is possible for the Bitcoin price not to rise again, because considering the overall market history of Bitcoin for the last 10 years, you will understand that it is still at its optimal performance. Bitcoin has come to stay. What is happening now are normal market fluctuations that will come and go with time.
We saw several times in last few years what is possible for Bitcoin. We need to wait patiently for improving the market condition as economic condition of of the world is not going well. Price of the Bitcoin depends on some factors like economic condition, supply demand, support  etc. It's time to hold strongly for improving the overall market condition.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: glendall on January 11, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
the answer is very simple from the title of your question
what If the Bitcoin Price never come up?
there will be no story about what bitcoin and other crypto are until now.
we will not see the value of BTC at 50k+ like in 2021


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Beparanf on January 11, 2023, 02:54:11 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

Because Bitcoin still didn't reach the percentage of mass adoption that most people in the world holds Bitcoin as an investment. Bitcoin prices will keep chasing all-time high if people knew that there will be new investors that will enter Bitcoin in the future. Bitcoin's performance is very consistent in price growth for more than 10 years. I believe that solid price growth history is already sufficient as a basis that Bitcoin will perform much better in the future. There's really no hard evidence that will occur but everything on investment is purely speculation and those willing to risk usually earn the most profit.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: MinoRaiola on January 11, 2023, 03:02:10 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
I'll try to explain it very simply, many have written before me. The price of a Bitcoin depends on the demand. Since there is a limit, which is reached in + 100 years, then the situation is different. Today, there must always be more demand than in comparison to the new created coins and the offered coins. When more people buy Bitcoin, the higher the price rises, because the offer is limited. The same happens when the price falls. The higher the supply and the fewer people who buy it, the price drops.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: fuguebtc on January 11, 2023, 03:04:51 PM
I don't think it is possible for the Bitcoin price not to rise again, because considering the overall market history of Bitcoin for the last 10 years, you will understand that it is still at its optimal performance. Bitcoin has come to stay. What is happening now are normal market fluctuations that will come and go with time.

There is still a chance for that to happen, maybe bitcoin won't rise again, who knows what will happen? But honestly, that possibility is unlikely. In addition to factors such as limited supply, which will cause scarcity, thereby causing the price to increase rapidly, looking at the current situation, bitcoin is attracting a lot of investors to the market because of the profit that it brings. Once the demand is high while the supply is limited the increase is unstoppable. Bitcoin will not only recover but outperform any previous asset if it gains worldwide popularity.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Yatsan on January 11, 2023, 03:14:17 PM
Then you have to deal with it and seek for a better investment. We cannot demand its market value to move as we like since its market value is solely dependent with majority's demand. There are other cryptocurrencies which could be considered or other industries to choose from if you are just seeking for profit. But reality check; since we are talking about market value which is dependent with demand, sky is simply the limit. It would be impossible for its value to stop increasing if many people are wanting to engage into it; it will just continue rising. There are just seasons wherein there would be a difficulty for such thing to be seen especially in this industry.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: TheUltraElite on January 11, 2023, 03:20:45 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
Demand over supply. If people buy bitcoin its demand rises and considering the limited supply the selling price of one bitcoin will rise to keep up with the profits that its traders would wish to get and hence raise the price at which they are bought at.

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or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Bearish trends happen when bad news hit the market, like an exchange getting hacked or someone big dumping their coins or some bad statement about crypto by some big name. Such things drain the price and start a bear trend which gets corrected depending on the gravity of the news. Later on as the correction kicks in from those who were waiting for discounted price to buy at, the price starts rising again.

To answer the question in your title, I would suggest you to read the older charts and see how long bear/bull cycles last in the market.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: fzkto on January 11, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
For now bitcoin could be feeling the bearish pressure because of a few events that happened like exchanges being hacked etc, but the secret arsenal it has to guarantee prices go up is its limited supply and all it takes is more increased pressure to come from demand to force prices to go up to fulfill these needs... For now it's a waiting game, stay put.
Nothing changes. Every bull season people expect a price of 1M or modestly 100k, but when their expectations are not met and a prolonged bear market begins, these people start talking about how the price will never recover. They also start burying cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Oneandpure on January 11, 2023, 03:50:11 PM
I'll try to explain it very simply, many have written before me. The price of a Bitcoin depends on the demand. Since there is a limit, which is reached in + 100 years, then the situation is different. Today, there must always be more demand than in comparison to the new created coins and the offered coins. When more people buy Bitcoin, the higher the price rises, because the offer is limited. The same happens when the price falls. The higher the supply and the fewer people who buy it, the price drops.
Current situation still not support yet with Bitcoin and I don't think about supply and demand effective looking for Bitcoin reach higher price later, price not depend on demand on nowadays due many external and internal problem make cryptocurrency on bad situation. Political situation make anything change when Bitcoin at higher price suddenly drop due bigger and most influential country announced or published bad side from Bitcoin.

Not easy to make people buy more Bitcoin nowadays, they want to see regulation from Bitcoin and become securing assets for long term investment without break rule from their country leaving.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: indah rezqi on January 11, 2023, 04:22:47 PM
Not easy to make people buy more Bitcoin nowadays, they want to see regulation from Bitcoin and become securing assets for long term investment without break rule from their country leaving.
I think some of your assumptions are correct, but I completely disagree that regulation will prevent investors from investing their money in bitcoin. Most countries' regulations for bitcoin do not prohibit bitcoin as an investment asset, but it only prohibit using it as currency. Several countries are starting to revise their rules and will adopt bitcoin as a means of payment, so it will support more market demand as well.

Bitcoin is a safe investment asset regardless of state regulations that prohibit it as a currency, that is the reality. The fact is, demand for bitcoin due to its widespread publicity will only make its price higher year after year, it will only be stronger in the future.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Nrcewker on January 11, 2023, 04:49:18 PM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up

The price of any commodity (let’s say here Bitcoins) increases, when the demand of the good increases. Basically it works on the demand and supply theory. If the supply is low and demand is high, then eventually in order to fulfil the demand, the price will increase. In case of Bitcoins the supply is not only low but also limited, that is , already a fixed amount of Bitcoins present, no more Bitcoins can be created. So the price will definitely grow. When the demand will increase, this will lead to the rise of the price and we will see this very soon.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on January 11, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
I don't interested in price I interested in bitcoin and it's all unique advantages and technology i asked just general question for price believers

If you are not concerned about price, then you probably are not also concerned with Bitcoin. Considering the fact that you are a newbie, and if you truly are, you need to study more about Bitcoin and answer some questions for yourself. There are so many speculations about Bitcoin's price on this board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0), especially as the year started, but no price prediction is 100% accurate.

If you consider investing in Bitcoin but want to know if the price can come up again, I advise you to invest in a business so you don't feel disappointed about Bitcoin along the way or come back here to blame anyone.

If you like to read, check this out https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information.html



Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: milewilda on January 11, 2023, 06:08:56 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
All time high isnt guaranteed that it would be happening whether we would see another price high above 69k or it would really be at last and the rest would really be lying down below this line, no one really knows.
This is what makes this market unpredictable and there's no way that we could really be having that assurance that it would really be going up on the future.It all varies with the demand and recognition
which are the main things on which these making things to be possible.This is why when you do invest on Bitcoin then never ever consider yourself in going all in.
Market could really be only have two ways which whether it would be going up or going down which it is really still that hard to guess up.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: uneng on January 11, 2023, 08:29:49 PM
For now bitcoin could be feeling the bearish pressure because of a few events that happened like exchanges being hacked etc, but the secret arsenal it has to guarantee prices go up is its limited supply and all it takes is more increased pressure to come from demand to force prices to go up to fulfill these needs... For now it's a waiting game, stay put.
Nothing changes. Every bull season people expect a price of 1M or modestly 100k, but when their expectations are not met and a prolonged bear market begins, these people start talking about how the price will never recover. They also start burying cryptocurrencies.
The fact investors lose hopes and bury cryptocurrencies is what give many other people the opportunity to become investors entering the market during a moment when the prices are pretty cheap, so they can benefit from it on its maximum potential for future gains. Where some see an issue, others see an opportunity, and it has been like this on this market since the beginning.

Even though expectations are never exactly met, it's undeniable the investment mades in bitcoin are still highly profitable when we compare prices from bearish and bullish past seasons, therefore the chances prices are still going up a lot are superior than the chances of having an eternal stagnant or depreciated market.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: AmoreJaz on January 11, 2023, 11:53:17 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
All time high isnt guaranteed that it would be happening whether we would see another price high above 69k or it would really be at last and the rest would really be lying down below this line, no one really knows.
This is what makes this market unpredictable and there's no way that we could really be having that assurance that it would really be going up on the future.It all varies with the demand and recognition
which are the main things on which these making things to be possible.This is why when you do invest on Bitcoin then never ever consider yourself in going all in.
Market could really be only have two ways which whether it would be going up or going down which it is really still that hard to guess up.

the tangible activities that we are seeing are more adoption stories are being seen everyday such as more merchants trying to include crypto in their payment method, more people are getting involve in this market, big companies are investing on crypto and many more. we may not see the price soaring high fast but i do believe, we will still see it going up. just a matter of time before we see the btc's price going up again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: noormcs5 on January 12, 2023, 04:02:42 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes


Those who say that  bitcoin price will never come up does not really know about the bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. There is always been up and down phases for bitcoin and currently we are having a bear phase.

If you ask me why bitcoin will again make an all time high then you need to understand the fundamentals of it  and also understand the current economic model based on fiat currencies and its drawbacks.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: btc78 on January 12, 2023, 05:23:50 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


there is no need to explain because you can back track the chart , and if you will look closer? this section has tons of thread talking about why and how bitcoin will reach another ATH just don't be lazy to look for the answer directly to those threads.
and besides are you investing? so you are asking these question ? if yes then best to buy now and never let lose time buying.

Buy bitcoin and try not to be scared of volatility , because that is the only way to find the result in the next couple of years .


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Marvell1 on January 12, 2023, 01:12:50 PM
I'll try to explain it very simply, many have written before me. The price of a Bitcoin depends on the demand. Since there is a limit, which is reached in + 100 years, then the situation is different. Today, there must always be more demand than in comparison to the new created coins and the offered coins. When more people buy Bitcoin, the higher the price rises, because the offer is limited. The same happens when the price falls. The higher the supply and the fewer people who buy it, the price drops.
Current situation still not support yet with Bitcoin and I don't think about supply and demand effective looking for Bitcoin reach higher price later, price not depend on demand on nowadays due many external and internal problem make cryptocurrency on bad situation. Political situation make anything change when Bitcoin at higher price suddenly drop due bigger and most influential country announced or published bad side from Bitcoin.

Not easy to make people buy more Bitcoin nowadays, they want to see regulation from Bitcoin and become securing assets for long term investment without break rule from their country leaving.
Any asset needs supply and demand to grow, and so does bitcoin. I agree that the current bitcoin price is not determined by supply and demand, but it will be a key factor for the sustainable development of bitcoin when bitcoin is globally popular. In my opinion, bitcoin price is still being manipulated and if bitcoin doesn't bounce back, then not only are we leaving the market, but market makers will no longer be profitable. So they will maintain this playing field, so bitcoin's price increase is quite certain.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Cryptomiles1 on January 12, 2023, 01:51:03 PM
Get something very important that bitcoin would never move as you planned or predicted, rather is something for long time investment. Bitcoin price takes time to recover, looking presently you could see it has already breakout from 16k to $18k plus.
There is always a possibility we could see another ATH but I doubt if so soon, otherwise could be after it's circle comes 2024.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Natalim on January 12, 2023, 02:00:42 PM
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there is no need to explain because you can back track the chart , and if you will look closer? this section has tons of thread talking about why and how bitcoin will reach another ATH just don't be lazy to look for the answer directly to those threads.
and besides are you investing? so you are asking these question ? if yes then best to buy now and never let lose time buying.

Buy bitcoin and try not to be scared of volatility , because that is the only way to find the result in the next couple of years .
Perhaps, we don't have to explain to a person who has no trust in something. Because what he is trying to do is put already an end to which in fact, despite the current situation we can still see the potential for Bitcoin to soar high. It was very clear to us based on the market history that Bitcoin price is moving high every year this means that the growth of its price will never stop even if all Bitcoin has been mined already.
People who have negativity in their minds will remain doubtful no matter what we do to them.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: BobK71 on January 12, 2023, 02:03:52 PM
At this time with the price of Bitcoin I can never expect Bitcoin to get it's ATH soon. But I am confident about Bitcoin. Even if the Bitcoin price takes a big drop right now, I will not lose my confidence in any way. Rather, if the price drops, I will try to buy as much as I can. Bitcoin price can be bullish or bearish on various issues. However, Bitcoin's bullish trend may start towards the end of this year as per the target of 2024. Bitcoin price will surprise the world again in the future as the use of digital asset and it's utility is increasing. That time is coming. So one should think as much positive as possible.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Iranus on January 12, 2023, 03:11:53 PM
For now bitcoin could be feeling the bearish pressure because of a few events that happened like exchanges being hacked etc, but the secret arsenal it has to guarantee prices go up is its limited supply and all it takes is more increased pressure to come from demand to force prices to go up to fulfill these needs... For now it's a waiting game, stay put.

Bitcoin's limited supply is no secret weapon, but unfortunately, people who don't believe in bitcoin won't believe everything about bitcoin. As a result of the limited supply and the growing demand for bitcoins, I believe that the price increase for bitcoin is unstoppable.

Yes, investing in bitcoin is a game of patience, and rewards will be distributed to those who have enough faith and who stay with bitcoin. So we don't need to explain too much to them, if they believe, then invest, otherwise don't regret if bitcoin reaches 1 million dollars in the future.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: CageMabok on January 12, 2023, 03:33:05 PM
Get something very important that bitcoin would never move as you planned or predicted, rather is something for long time investment. Bitcoin price takes time to recover, looking presently you could see it has already breakout from 16k to $18k plus.
There is always a possibility we could see another ATH but I doubt if so soon, otherwise could be after it's circle comes 2024.
Another ATH won't show up quicker on Bitcoin because as you said Bitcoin always takes time to recover meaning everyone won't see another ATH any quicker even though there's been a bit of a hint of price increase from $16K to $18K plus now inside market. And speaking of long-term investments, it's clear that Bitcoin is still very suitable for long-term investments so that everything is still very possible for Bitcoin, even though it's not what many people think.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Woodie on January 12, 2023, 03:40:06 PM
For now bitcoin could be feeling the bearish pressure because of a few events that happened like exchanges being hacked etc, but the secret arsenal it has to guarantee prices go up is its limited supply and all it takes is more increased pressure to come from demand to force prices to go up to fulfill these needs... For now it's a waiting game, stay put.

Bitcoin's limited supply is no secret weapon, but unfortunately, people who don't believe in bitcoin won't believe everything about bitcoin. As a result of the limited supply and the growing demand for bitcoins, I believe that the price increase for bitcoin is unstoppable.

You just contradicted yourself here mate!! You just agreed to what I had written earlier on which was rules of supply and demand require a constant in this we had supply being the constant and thanks to lost keys, missing coins and what not we might actually have less than 21 million coins to fight for... Which means if too much money is out there to fight for the few goods(Bitcoins) out there then price is what will be affected and in this scenario it goes up, hence me saying secret weapon was Bitcoins limited supply !


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Pierre 2 on January 12, 2023, 04:40:08 PM
This idea plants into rookie investor minds through time but you will realize it is only because bear markets lasted too long. I think if you are worried that Bitcoin won't ever recover, remember this week. Bitcoin literally made big jump and signified possible bulls to return. If bulls start to dominate markets Bitcoin and all other alternative coins will hit very high price levels. I think %50 profit is very like in 3 months into future. It is best to closely watch markets next 2 months to catch the ride for moon.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: MinoRaiola on January 12, 2023, 09:27:10 PM
Any asset needs supply and demand to grow, and so does bitcoin. I agree that the current bitcoin price is not determined by supply and demand, but it will be a key factor for the sustainable development of bitcoin when bitcoin is globally popular. In my opinion, bitcoin price is still being manipulated and if bitcoin doesn't bounce back, then not only are we leaving the market, but market makers will no longer be profitable. So they will maintain this playing field, so bitcoin's price increase is quite certain.
Manipulation will always exist and where does it start and where does it stop? Currently the demand is not high, but during a bull run it is very important. Remember the last runs. For example, in December 2017, it felt like every 4th person in Europe was talking about Bitcoin at the Christmas table, and shortly after that the bull run was over. Before that, more and more new buyers came in, even the miner S9 or L3 were trading at very high prices. Currently you are right, but in the future it will be very important.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Emitdama on January 13, 2023, 01:16:41 PM
This idea plants into rookie investor minds through time but you will realize it is only because bear markets lasted too long. I think if you are worried that Bitcoin won't ever recover, remember this week. Bitcoin literally made big jump and signified possible bulls to return. If bulls start to dominate markets Bitcoin and all other alternative coins will hit very high price levels. I think %50 profit is very like in 3 months into future. It is best to closely watch markets next 2 months to catch the ride for moon.
I am not a rookie anymore but there was a time I think about it. It's not that I am scared or what but the question arises for fun only. It's fine if BTC never comes up but as long as it won't also dump hard or in short it will only be stable. That would be the time people will use their BTC as a currency which was a good thing since this was its original purpose and meant by its founder.

In reality, it's not possible for Bitcoin to never go up anymore since there will always be new people who will enter here. That should counter the sellers. Not all people are also selling and then there is still a chance that those sellers will come back once they saw that the price is improving again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Davian144 on January 13, 2023, 03:23:37 PM
I don't think it is possible for the Bitcoin price not to rise again, because considering the overall market history of Bitcoin for the last 10 years, you will understand that it is still at its optimal performance. Bitcoin has come to stay. What is happening now are normal market fluctuations that will come and go with time.
As long as there are more people who love Bitcoin and trade it on more exchanges, then a price increase in Bitcoin is a sure thing to happen without having to look at history for more complete evidence. Because I also believe that Bitcoin can continue to improve in the future, so there will be more and more new people from various walks of life who will like Bitcoin and will buy it.

We saw several times in last few years what is possible for Bitcoin. We need to wait patiently for improving the market condition as economic condition of of the world is not going well. Price of the Bitcoin depends on some factors like economic condition, supply demand, support  etc. It's time to hold strongly for improving the overall market condition.
What has happened to Bitcoin in the last few years is proof that Bitcoin is really good and as long as everyone still has the patience to wait for improvements to come by not easily releasing the Bitcoin they have held until now, price improvements in Bitcoin will occur more easily. although it will take time to see that in many exchanges. Because the support and demand for Bitcoin is always there every day so that it makes me never worry about an increase in the price of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: bitgolden on January 13, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
We saw several times in last few years what is possible for Bitcoin. We need to wait patiently for improving the market condition as economic condition of of the world is not going well. Price of the Bitcoin depends on some factors like economic condition, supply demand, support  etc. It's time to hold strongly for improving the overall market condition.
What has happened to Bitcoin in the last few years is proof that Bitcoin is really good and as long as everyone still has the patience to wait for improvements to come by not easily releasing the Bitcoin they have held until now, price improvements in Bitcoin will occur more easily. although it will take time to see that in many exchanges. Because the support and demand for Bitcoin is always there every day so that it makes me never worry about an increase in the price of Bitcoin.
That is something we learned at 2014 to 2017 period and again at 2018 to 2021 period. We could see drops and we could maybe not like the situation we are in but that doesn't change the fact that we are at a situation where we could end up with a profit situation.

At the end of the day, we are not going to end up with a good return at all if we just think it won't go back up. But if we try to believe that we could do this, then we could end up with a good result in the long run by investing at the right time like right now. People may keep thinking it has a chance to not recover but that would be their own mistakes, the reality is that it will always recover eventually.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: lizarder on January 14, 2023, 06:43:46 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
You need to understand the bitcoin cycle as a whole, because that's where you will find answers to these questions, it is difficult to explain what the price of bitcoin will be, because bitcoin is speculative and never stable at a certain price, the concept of bitcoin is very simple to understand, if you already know the travel cycle.

My question?
  • How much bitcoin do you want?
  • What will you do if bitcoin suffers a severe correction?
  • What do you do if the bitcoin price goes up or reaches the next ATH?

You need to be involved in investing if you want to know more about bitcoin, there are lots of advisors and speculators out there who have given the big picture of bitcoin's journey. Price speculation and predictions have sprung up a lot, but you will never find a benefit before you start.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: AnonBitCoiner on March 09, 2023, 05:31:32 PM
It is obvious that bitcoin can never remain in one state because it is the ability of bitcoin to sometime go up and in another time come down and this characteristics of bitcoin is useful for its holders. No one realize that what will be the worth of upcoming market.

Realization about cost is not possible but one can think about its ups and down situations. The Bitcoin's price can reduce but it cannot go down completely because if it dies no other coins will persists anymore as it is one of successful coin of cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: tygeade on March 09, 2023, 07:18:15 PM
It is obvious that bitcoin can never remain in one state because it is the ability of bitcoin to sometime go up and in another time come down and this characteristics of bitcoin is useful for its holders. No one realize that what will be the worth of upcoming market.

Realization about cost is not possible but one can think about its ups and down situations. The Bitcoin's price can reduce but it cannot go down completely because if it dies no other coins will persists anymore as it is one of successful coin of cryptocurrency.
Volatility is the value of bitcoin that we have, if it was as stable as stablecoins, never changing any price, stuck to just 20k or something, then how could we make any profit from it? Obviously we need to make sure that we can profit from it as much as we can, and in order to do that we need to buy it when it's low and sell it when it is high, that's how you make a profit. I know that's not going to be an easy thing to hear, because people hate it when it goes down, and some people even sell when it goes down so they make a huge loss, so it's hard pill to swallow for them.

But at the end of the day, we are talking about a situation where people could make a profit, maybe not that person, but another person will buy the coins they sold and they will sell that coin when the price goes very high.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Hamphser on March 09, 2023, 07:48:45 PM
It is obvious that bitcoin can never remain in one state because it is the ability of bitcoin to sometime go up and in another time come down and this characteristics of bitcoin is useful for its holders. No one realize that what will be the worth of upcoming market.

Realization about cost is not possible but one can think about its ups and down situations. The Bitcoin's price can reduce but it cannot go down completely because if it dies no other coins will persists anymore as it is one of successful coin of cryptocurrency.
Volatility is the value of bitcoin that we have, if it was as stable as stablecoins, never changing any price, stuck to just 20k or something, then how could we make any profit from it? Obviously we need to make sure that we can profit from it as much as we can, and in order to do that we need to buy it when it's low and sell it when it is high, that's how you make a profit. I know that's not going to be an easy thing to hear, because people hate it when it goes down, and some people even sell when it goes down so they make a huge loss, so it's hard pill to swallow for them.

But at the end of the day, we are talking about a situation where people could make a profit, maybe not that person, but another person will buy the coins they sold and they will sell that coin when the price goes very high.
Volatility indeed, because if this one isnt present then what we would really be expecting or to see in terms of demand and interest if the price wasnt really that moving at all? For sure people would be flocking

out on something which does have higher volatility because this is where we could really make money.Lets just accept the fact that people do loves on having that volatility because on this way we could really make out some profits even though it would be risks but we could really be able to bare up with the risks and this is what we do love within this market.

Bitcoins price wont really go up? Then it does signify that recognition and demand isnt really there which means that people might be already dealing up with something new
on that case.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: mich on March 11, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
I personally do not think price will never come back up. I even think we will see all time high but it will take much longer then we hope for it.  I think bitcoin has a long history of consistently reaching new highs virtually every year and now this "bear market" is just a set-back temporarily.
In the past its the same, there will always be corrections at certain points. Bitcoin is here to stay and I think the value will continue to reach new highs in the near future with adoption and expansion.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Joshapat on March 11, 2023, 02:03:03 PM
As an investor, of course the main key to profit is to be patient to wait, as long as we can be patient then we will get profit, if we save on spot exchanges then the easiest thing is to sell at the price we like and let everything be achieved, don't sell when you lose or panic too quickly so that makes us regret. bitcoin is proven to skyrocket in the long run and in fact a fantastic upward trend occurs every 4 years.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: DiMarxist on March 11, 2023, 03:14:26 PM
I personally do not think price will never come back up. I even think we will see all time high but it will take much longer then we hope for it.  I think bitcoin has a long history of consistently reaching new highs virtually every year and now this "bear market" is just a set-back temporarily.
In the past its the same, there will always be corrections at certain points. Bitcoin is here to stay and I think the value will continue to reach new highs in the near future with adoption and expansion.
I think Bitcoin will still come up  next month we know Bitcoin always fall and rise,but it's might rise next month,and this is not the first time Bitcoin is going down this is just a temporary bear market,after now he will rise again.The price of Bitcoin is speculative and never stable at a certain price, price of Bitcoin can go down today any moment and rise anytime.bull market and bearish as a normal investor that is what you will experience.The price of Bitcoin depends on how the market go .The price of Bitcoin tends to falls when demand are lose in supply and after a while the  price starts to rise again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: _BlackStar on March 11, 2023, 03:33:15 PM
I personally do not think price will never come back up. I even think we will see all time high but it will take much longer then we hope for it.  I think bitcoin has a long history of consistently reaching new highs virtually every year and now this "bear market" is just a set-back temporarily.
In the past its the same, there will always be corrections at certain points. Bitcoin is here to stay and I think the value will continue to reach new highs in the near future with adoption and expansion.
Somehow someone is still worried about the future of bitcoin after many governments and their minions started considering its adoption as currency. That doesn't make any sense to me, so if they have doubts and don't like the volatility then ignore bitcoin - bitcoin is not for them.

Many businesses are and have been considering bitcoin as a means of payment. Some big businesses have publicly announced it, while others are still waiting for more friendly regulation from their governments. So to me that is the reason why the future of bitcoin is not in doubt, but they just have to think about and come up with the best way to minimize the risk of volatility and the risk of losing their investment. Price volatility is very reasonable, and of course it can move higher or lower than expected.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: TimeTeller on March 11, 2023, 09:14:54 PM
As an investor, of course the main key to profit is to be patient to wait, as long as we can be patient then we will get profit, if we save on spot exchanges then the easiest thing is to sell at the price we like and let everything be achieved, don't sell when you lose or panic too quickly so that makes us regret. bitcoin is proven to skyrocket in the long run and in fact a fantastic upward trend occurs every 4 years.

If you are here long enough, you've seen a lot of roller coaster rides in the btc market alone.
Also, invest only if your instinct is saying that in the very near future, you can sell your holdings higher than your buying price.
If you don't believe on this market, better not to invest as you will only get stress while you are waiting for the right time.
Because if you have no strong belief on this market, you will only get disappointed on what may possibly happen to your funds.
If you think that the price won't rise in the coming years, so why are you trying to invest on this market?


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: jostorres on March 12, 2023, 06:05:19 PM
I think Bitcoin will still come up  next month we know Bitcoin always fall and rise,but it's might rise next month,and this is not the first time Bitcoin is going down this is just a temporary bear market,after now he will rise again.The price of Bitcoin is speculative and never stable at a certain price, price of Bitcoin can go down today any moment and rise anytime.bull market and bearish as a normal investor that is what you will experience.The price of Bitcoin depends on how the market go .The price of Bitcoin tends to falls when demand are lose in supply and after a while the  price starts to rise again.
It seems like you are doubting too like the OP huh? Of course Bitcoin can always find a way for recovery but sometimes it is not easy and can take a long time. It's only up to you if you don't have a patience to wait for that moment. If not then you will only found your self selling at low prices and you can only earn minimal profits if not losing. What is that temporary bear market you are saying?

We are in a long-term bear actually but I think it will end soon because the halving is now close and we are seeing some signs that we are now close in to the bull run. Normal or extra ordinary type of investor, all can feel the same volatile market but normal or inexperienced investors are the ones who are worrying the most.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Ludmilla_rose1995 on March 12, 2023, 09:33:22 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
this question has a many answers and it's pretty hard to think of which one is right, bitcoin will create a new ATH because the demand for it in the market will be higher and that is the law of demand, for a price decrease, it seems that it will enter a reasonable stage, market saturation often occurs and bitcoin also has that, so don't be surprised if we see the price of bitcoin sometimes down or up.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Pejoh Asu on March 13, 2023, 07:15:47 AM
Bitcoin has a decentralized concept and opportunities to go up or down can always happen, never be pessimistic that prices don't go up, bad trends like what's happening right now are commonplace and will soon pass, prices will soar again and then fall and trends like this will continue to happen, but the flip side when prices drop is more buying than just price checks.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Crypto Library on March 13, 2023, 07:38:20 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
To understand this, you just need to understand that when the usage increases, the demand for that item increases and when the demand increases, the production has to be increased and in this case, since the total supply of Bitcoin is limited, it is not possible to produce more.  So in this case there is no other way, so the price of that thing will definitely increase.And if you see day by day the use of bitcoin is increasing, in that case if you look at our population, its supply is much less than our demand, so it can be said that as time goes on, its price will touch new new ath.

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explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
I don't think bitcoin will ever lose its ability to touch a new ath.However, new holders may think that the price of Bitcoin will not increase after seeing the bearish season, but if they see the charts of the past years, they will understand that Bitcoin runs in a certain cycle, sometimes due to global conditions, this bearish season may be a little long lasting, but according to its cycle.  It will enter its bull season.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: MoonOfLife on March 13, 2023, 08:34:25 AM
Bitcoin has a decentralized concept and opportunities to go up or down can always happen, never be pessimistic that prices don't go up, bad trends like what's happening right now are commonplace and will soon pass, prices will soar again and then fall and trends like this will continue to happen, but the flip side when prices drop is more buying than just price checks.

The future of bitcoin is a question mark, but once invested in it, we should expect it to rise again. Another thing is that I am pretty sure bitcoin will rise again, as it has been manipulated by sharks, if it doesn't bounce back, people will leave the market and market makers will no longer make profits.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Ben Barubal on March 13, 2023, 10:05:41 AM
      In your title, what you think is impossible to happen. What's up, we're in the trading business industry. If you understand the trading business for sure you will not put such a question here in the forum.

      It's like they think that God is the only person who is a man and a woman, there are also good or bad, angels and demons, so it's the same in trading, the movement of the price is only up and down. It seems that only positive and negative things happen with this concept of the Bitcoin industry.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: DOH! on March 13, 2023, 11:37:28 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
In my opinion, Bitcoin is decentralized in nature and can hit all-time ATH because natural market demand fosters trust and cultural awareness of blockchain better than current fiat system. , over time the need to buy and hold bitcoin becomes more important in finance and becomes an urgent need. At the same time, each halving cycle is set at the exact moment that demand becomes critical. It will be ATH.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: speedy963 on March 13, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
I think Bitcoin will still come up  next month we know Bitcoin always fall and rise,but it's might rise next month,and this is not the first time Bitcoin is going down this is just a temporary bear market,after now he will rise again.The price of Bitcoin is speculative and never stable at a certain price, price of Bitcoin can go down today any moment and rise anytime.bull market and bearish as a normal investor that is what you will experience.The price of Bitcoin depends on how the market go .The price of Bitcoin tends to falls when demand are lose in supply and after a while the  price starts to rise again.
It seems like you are doubting too like the OP huh? Of course Bitcoin can always find a way for recovery but sometimes it is not easy and can take a long time. It's only up to you if you don't have a patience to wait for that moment. If not then you will only found your self selling at low prices and you can only earn minimal profits if not losing. What is that temporary bear market you are saying?

We are in a long-term bear actually but I think it will end soon because the halving is now close and we are seeing some signs that we are now close in to the bull run. Normal or extra ordinary type of investor, all can feel the same volatile market but normal or inexperienced investors are the ones who are worrying the most.
We cannot blame them since there are still possibilities that it will go the other way around. As for me I am not that much worried coz if it goes up it goes up, if it goes down so be it. It's not that I fully trust bitcoin's potential but I do trust the process. We've already seen how many struggles bitcoin had survived and as expected that there'll be much more in the future, but still bitcoin despite all the odds overcome that trial.

The forking alone is making the market alive again by showing signs of slight changes, though we could say that it doesn't have that much movement compared to those previous forks, at the very least it is making movement than no movement at all.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Nrcewker on March 13, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
Bitcoin has a decentralized concept and opportunities to go up or down can always happen, never be pessimistic that prices don't go up, bad trends like what's happening right now are commonplace and will soon pass, prices will soar again and then fall and trends like this will continue to happen, but the flip side when prices drop is more buying than just price checks.

The future of bitcoin is a question mark, but once invested in it, we should expect it to rise again. Another thing is that I am pretty sure bitcoin will rise again, as it has been manipulated by sharks, if it doesn't bounce back, people will leave the market and market makers will no longer make profits.

Just use simple economics. Why you making it complex? Bitcoins are limited in number, that is; more Bitcoins cannot be created or mined. So as it is limited (fixed), so definitely this makes them valuable. Now if we surf the internet we can see how many Bitcoin users are there, or simply we can check the marketcap of the coin. Now we know that Bitcoins are limited, there are more users, now when these users will try to buy the Bitcoins, this will increase the demand and hence the price will go up to fulfil the demand. So OP, don’t panic, the price will go once we get enough buy orders for the coin.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: fzkto on March 13, 2023, 01:01:48 PM
Bitcoin has a decentralized concept and opportunities to go up or down can always happen, never be pessimistic that prices don't go up, bad trends like what's happening right now are commonplace and will soon pass, prices will soar again and then fall and trends like this will continue to happen, but the flip side when prices drop is more buying than just price checks.

The future of bitcoin is a question mark, but once invested in it, we should expect it to rise again. Another thing is that I am pretty sure bitcoin will rise again, as it has been manipulated by sharks, if it doesn't bounce back, people will leave the market and market makers will no longer make profits.
On this forum almost everyone is thinking about investing and making huge profits. For example buy bitcoin at the very bottom of 3k and sell it at the very top of 70k. Then he will become incredibly rich, buy an island and build a villa there. But there are few, if any, people like that. The value of bitcoin is not in its value in dollars, but in the ability to use it almost infinitely.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: tygeade on March 13, 2023, 01:53:36 PM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
In my opinion, Bitcoin is decentralized in nature and can hit all-time ATH because natural market demand fosters trust and cultural awareness of blockchain better than current fiat system. , over time the need to buy and hold bitcoin becomes more important in finance and becomes an urgent need. At the same time, each halving cycle is set at the exact moment that demand becomes critical. It will be ATH.
Bitcoin (and of course most crypto) being better than fiat is not even a question in my mind and I think that we shouldn't really be shocked about it if people prefers it as well. We can see right now how the banking system and fiat world has let down the people once again, god knows how many times it has been already. Just this past 15 years we had to face too many times when the markets destroyed people.

On the other hand, if you invest into bitcoin then you would realize that it is not going to be that easy to lose all your money, unless you leverage it 100x or something. Just buy bitcoin and hold, you will make profit instead of lose all your money.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: bettercrypto on March 13, 2023, 03:50:02 PM
Even if the value of bitcoin does not rise in the market, it has no effect on me either because there are many other alternative cryptocurrencies that can be held long term apart from bitcoin of course.

     Also, most of the bitcoin holders here in the community that we have, I am sure that their holdings are not only bitcoin in the long term, they also have other cryptocurrencies that they hold that can also give them profit like bitcoin.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: summonerrk on March 13, 2023, 05:50:52 PM
Even if the value of bitcoin does not rise in the market, it has no effect on me either because there are many other alternative cryptocurrencies that can be held long term apart from bitcoin of course.

     Also, most of the bitcoin holders here in the community that we have, I am sure that their holdings are not only bitcoin in the long term, they also have other cryptocurrencies that they hold that can also give them profit like bitcoin.

In no case can you store altcoins for a long time. Nowadays it is nothing more than a speculative short-term instrument that needs to be sold immediately after the pump. Otherwise, you will be left with candy wrappers on your hands, whose price is 0. It is best to have bitcoin on hand, you can also have strong altcoins, like litecoin or Ethereum.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: South Park on March 13, 2023, 06:39:16 PM
Even if the value of bitcoin does not rise in the market, it has no effect on me either because there are many other alternative cryptocurrencies that can be held long term apart from bitcoin of course.

     Also, most of the bitcoin holders here in the community that we have, I am sure that their holdings are not only bitcoin in the long term, they also have other cryptocurrencies that they hold that can also give them profit like bitcoin.

In no case can you store altcoins for a long time. Nowadays it is nothing more than a speculative short-term instrument that needs to be sold immediately after the pump. Otherwise, you will be left with candy wrappers on your hands, whose price is 0. It is best to have bitcoin on hand, you can also have strong altcoins, like litecoin or Ethereum.
This is a mistake that newbies make thinking that if they hold an altcoin for the long term they will be there when it finally goes up massively on value, but we know that such an approach is a huge mistake, only bitcoin and very few altcoins are worth to hold for the long term, the rest of the coins we have in the market need to be traded, and if there is some warning signs about the coin then you need to sell immediately even if it is for a small loss as you do not want to be caught when the coin dumps.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 13, 2023, 10:39:32 PM
Even if the value of bitcoin does not rise in the market, it has no effect on me either because there are many other alternative cryptocurrencies that can be held long term apart from bitcoin of course.

     Also, most of the bitcoin holders here in the community that we have, I am sure that their holdings are not only bitcoin in the long term, they also have other cryptocurrencies that they hold that can also give them profit like bitcoin.

In no case can you store altcoins for a long time. Nowadays it is nothing more than a speculative short-term instrument that needs to be sold immediately after the pump. Otherwise, you will be left with candy wrappers on your hands, whose price is 0. It is best to have bitcoin on hand, you can also have strong altcoins, like litecoin or Ethereum.
This is a mistake that newbies make thinking that if they hold an altcoin for the long term they will be there when it finally goes up massively on value, but we know that such an approach is a huge mistake, only bitcoin and very few altcoins are worth to hold for the long term, the rest of the coins we have in the market need to be traded, and if there is some warning signs about the coin then you need to sell immediately even if it is for a small loss as you do not want to be caught when the coin dumps.
Just let them be and able to realize on whats the real deal with this market because those common first impressions is just normal when you are still a newbie but sooner or later you would be able to realize

on whats the reality and tell to themselves that it was never been easy.If we do speak about price never comes up then it wouldnt be called a market considering that a market or this place
does involve up and down of prices.Speaking about Bitcoins price then its never been stable since from the beginning of time.

It might be having that sideways movement but we know that every ticks of the clock it does really move in terms of its monetary value.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: kro55 on March 14, 2023, 03:07:18 AM
Even if the value of bitcoin does not rise in the market, it has no effect on me either because there are many other alternative cryptocurrencies that can be held long term apart from bitcoin of course.

     Also, most of the bitcoin holders here in the community that we have, I am sure that their holdings are not only bitcoin in the long term, they also have other cryptocurrencies that they hold that can also give them profit like bitcoin.

In no case can you store altcoins for a long time. Nowadays it is nothing more than a speculative short-term instrument that needs to be sold immediately after the pump. Otherwise, you will be left with candy wrappers on your hands, whose price is 0. It is best to have bitcoin on hand, you can also have strong altcoins, like litecoin or Ethereum.
This is a mistake that newbies make thinking that if they hold an altcoin for the long term they will be there when it finally goes up massively on value, but we know that such an approach is a huge mistake, only bitcoin and very few altcoins are worth to hold for the long term, the rest of the coins we have in the market need to be traded, and if there is some warning signs about the coin then you need to sell immediately even if it is for a small loss as you do not want to be caught when the coin dumps.

I agree that, in today's market, holding altcoins for long periods of time would be a stupid idea because sooner or later, they will all go to zero. But back to OP's question, will you continue to hold bitcoin with zero profit if bitcoin doesn't bounce back and become stable? I bet people will flock to altcoins, looking for potential coins to replace bitcoin. We're still here for profit rather than technology, so holding on to something isn't profitable, people will never do it.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Sebas.tian on March 14, 2023, 03:34:14 AM
Quote from: Pejoh Asu
Bitcoin has a decentralized concept and opportunities to go up or down can always happen, never be pessimistic that prices don't go up, bad trends like what's happening right now are commonplace and will soon pass, prices will soar again and then fall and trends like this will continue to happen, but the flip side when prices drop is more buying than just price checks.

Yes, Bitcoin price will soar again for those that purchased Bitcoin some years ago to have the opportunity to release them for profits making, which is part of the reason traders always wait for the price of Bitcoin to decrease before they can visit the market to buy. Now that the price of Bitcoin has increased to $24,235 few hours ago,showed that traders are about to experience bullish season that will make them to feel good and comfortable with their holding in the community. I think, there is still an opportunity for investors to purchase Bitcoin and hold because this year 2023 will be a favourable year to both long term investors and short term investors.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: darewaller on March 14, 2023, 09:30:45 AM
if you invest into bitcoin then you would realize that it is not going to be that easy to lose all your money, unless you leverage it 100x or something. Just buy bitcoin and hold, you will make profit instead of lose all your money.
Yeah, the fact that bitcoin has always gone up after each fall is proof enough that it will go up again, there is no doubt about that. However, even if we do not look at the past at all and just focus on the future, do you really think that something that has this much profit potential with this many super wealthy people and companies and even few nations would stay low?

I bet you that there will always be someone out there trying to make it go as high as possible and that is why it will be doing fine. I am not saying that it would be impossible to get it high, of course there would be some trouble getting it higher but it will eventually happen because there is too much money involved.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Muba20 on March 14, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
Bitcoin is now recognized as a major trading platform in the world. Therefore such thinking would not be logical at all. Because the price of Bitcoin may fall, it will be bullish again. It is a religion of trading. These kinds of thoughts can come up when some one will be frustrated. Bitcoin has started to be bullish again and it will be more bullish in coming days and surpass all previous records. Demand for Bitcoin is increasing day by day as institutional investment is more than individual investment. So the price of bitcoin will be high


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: MiF on March 14, 2023, 10:24:02 AM
I think it will never happen that after bitcoin fall it will never come up, its been a couple of year since bitcoin reach the 60k$ ATH and now it fall down above 20k$ would you believe that it will never go back to 60k$ and above when it is already touch that ATH once? I will never believe that btc will never go up again maybe it only needs a little more time but there is always a chances that it will rise above the 60k$ ATH.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Kadal Ijo on March 14, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
Bitcoin always makes surprises, before there were a lot of negative surprises because of the price drop but the last 4 days a big surprise happened since the price dropped below $ 20k, now the price has reached more than $ 26k, it's only natural that bitcoin is top trending on several social media because today up more than 17%, hopefully this is the start of a bull run and this year we can make new ATH again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Mario Yamasaki on March 16, 2023, 02:04:53 PM
If Bitcoin Price never comes up, of course users will panic and will sell bitcoin cheaply, if in 2 years the price never goes up then I'm sure the transaction volume will drop and this will automatically have an impact on prices that will continue to decline, of course we don't expect that happens because the presence of bitcoin gives us the opportunity to profit.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: ilovealtcoins on March 16, 2023, 03:16:30 PM
If Bitcoin Price never comes up, of course users will panic and will sell bitcoin cheaply, if in 2 years the price never goes up then I'm sure the transaction volume will drop and this will automatically have an impact on prices that will continue to decline, of course we don't expect that happens because the presence of bitcoin gives us the opportunity to profit.

I don't even think that will happen because the value of bitcoin is not just dependent on demand, it is being manipulated by an underground force. They are using bitcoin as a money making tool where they can manipulate its price. It can be said that bitcoin is a money game, and to maintain this game, they need to make bitcoin always volatile to create trust for players.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: bettercrypto on March 16, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
Bitcoin is now recognized as a major trading platform in the world. Therefore such thinking would not be logical at all. Because the price of Bitcoin may fall, it will be bullish again. It is a religion of trading. These kinds of thoughts can come up when some one will be frustrated. Bitcoin has started to be bullish again and it will be more bullish in coming days and surpass all previous records. Demand for Bitcoin is increasing day by day as institutional investment is more than individual investment. So the price of bitcoin will be high

What do you mean "Bitcoin is a trading religion"? Also, if bitcoin went up 2 days ago or 3 days ago, this does not mean that we are really bullish.

      Because if we look at its price now in the market, it is around 24k$ more than which we can't increase or decrease after some time. And this happens because it is really volatile. In short, it is difficult to predict where bitcoin's value will go today.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: erep on March 16, 2023, 09:47:28 PM
What do you mean "Bitcoin is a trading religion"? Also, if bitcoin went up 2 days ago or 3 days ago, this does not mean that we are really bullish.
I had never heard the term “Bitcoin is the religion of commerce” before, I was expecting a typo that he did.

We cannot conclude that a recovery in market prices within 2-3 days is a sign that the market will be bullish, but pay attention to the price movements from the beginning of the year until now, there are indications of bullishness in the future because prices have increased significantly based on the recovery pattern, so I believe that the market will increase higher until the end of the year, but nevertheless the market has recovered from the worst situation compared to last year and remains optimistic that the market can achieve the highest recovery in this year.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: kamvreto on March 16, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
What do you mean "Bitcoin is a trading religion"? Also, if bitcoin went up 2 days ago or 3 days ago, this does not mean that we are really bullish.
I had never heard the term “Bitcoin is the religion of commerce” before, I was expecting a typo that he did.

We cannot conclude that a recovery in market prices within 2-3 days is a sign that the market will be bullish, but pay attention to the price movements from the beginning of the year until now, there are indications of bullishness in the future because prices have increased significantly based on the recovery pattern, so I believe that the market will increase higher until the end of the year, but nevertheless the market has recovered from the worst situation compared to last year and remains optimistic that the market can achieve the highest recovery in this year.

The bitcoin market even recovered quickly after a few days ago it crashed to reach the $19,000 price area, but after that the bitcoin price was able to hit to a price of $26,500. this proves that bitcoin still has the power to continue to rise with the many investors who continue to enter. Moreover, the halving cycle is about to occur. Reaching a truly bullish market will certainly take time, but before that happens are we ready with the Bitcoin we hold. The current price is still very cheap when compared to the last ATH that occurred. This is the best opportunity to continue buying bitcoins before the real bull market kicks in. at the end of the year maybe Bitcoin will leave this price area and approach a new ATH. But price fluctuations will still occur, use your best strategy and having Fiat reserves will also be very good to be able to buy back when the market crashes again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Lubang Bawah on March 17, 2023, 04:25:04 AM
For the short term maybe the price will be difficult to go up and even down, of course it will be a boring thing if the bitcoin price doesn't go up, a lot of people will sell when it doesn't go up soon in the long term, but the decentralized system is unique because bitcoin prices can go up and down occurs tens of percent in a day, and a few hairs then the price can go up more than 20% in a day.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: irhact on March 17, 2023, 09:05:56 AM
Bitcoin is now recognized as a major trading platform in the world. Therefore such thinking would not be logical at all. Because the price of Bitcoin may fall, it will be bullish again. It is a religion of trading. These kinds of thoughts can come up when some one will be frustrated.

Without Bitcoin been recognize in the major trading platforms, just the crypto exchanges like Binance, Coinbase, Kucoin etc are capable of taking the price up. When the fomo comes people will be able trade in either the decentralized or centralized exchanges so Bitcoin doesn't need those other platforms that you're taking about.

Bitcoin price can never stay this low for very long, Bitcoin has very limited amount so the price will surely go up. The reason we're trading this low is because we're just recovering from the bear market of 2022.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Kelvinid on March 17, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
For the short term maybe the price will be difficult to go up and even down, of course it will be a boring thing if the bitcoin price doesn't go up, a lot of people will sell when it doesn't go up soon in the long term, but the decentralized system is unique because bitcoin prices can go up and down occurs tens of percent in a day, and a few hairs then the price can go up more than 20% in a day.
It pumps and dumps because that is the nature of the market, that is what we called volatility. If OP is assuming it won't, then we can't say that the crypto market is not decentralized anymore but gonna be manipulated. We can't expect a rise in a day but we can expect it for a couple of days or even years. That is why I don't look at the market chart and check the price everyday because it only disappoints me as the price won't move far from yesterday or might I just see the drop.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Falconer on March 17, 2023, 10:27:42 AM
For the short term maybe the price will be difficult to go up and even down, of course it will be a boring thing if the bitcoin price doesn't go up, a lot of people will sell when it doesn't go up soon in the long term, but the decentralized system is unique because bitcoin prices can go up and down occurs tens of percent in a day, and a few hairs then the price can go up more than 20% in a day.
That price volatility is a very natural thing, and it should be. If the market didn't fluctuate, imagine how traders would make a profit. They must be wise enough to think about and pay attention to the price of bitcoin both in the short and long term. Anyone can make a profit, and vice versa. Of course it is true that prices can change tens of percent in a day, we have experienced this in the dump and pump processes.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Pujangga on March 17, 2023, 03:25:15 PM
Of course this will never happen because the concept of bitcoin is decentralization which makes the price depend on the market situation, if we want to store assets with a fixed value then we can use stable coins, the number of users who continue to increase makes the demand continue to increase and when investors feel profit then they selling and keeping prices down.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Oilacris on March 17, 2023, 09:42:58 PM
Of course this will never happen because the concept of bitcoin is decentralization which makes the price depend on the market situation, if we want to store assets with a fixed value then we can use stable coins, the number of users who continue to increase makes the demand continue to increase and when investors feel profit then they selling and keeping prices down.
If it wasnt volatile then interest of the community or people would really be no more on which they would really be going into places on which they could really be able to make money out of
those movements.This is why prices could really move up and down basing or depending on the market demand in between buyers and sellers.This is why its inevitable
for its price to move as long people or the community would be supporting it.This is why it is really that wise on making yourself knowledgeable
to go with the flow and be smart on doing it.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: sana54210 on March 18, 2023, 12:40:14 AM
For the short term maybe the price will be difficult to go up and even down, of course it will be a boring thing if the bitcoin price doesn't go up, a lot of people will sell when it doesn't go up soon in the long term, but the decentralized system is unique because bitcoin prices can go up and down occurs tens of percent in a day, and a few hairs then the price can go up more than 20% in a day.
That price volatility is a very natural thing, and it should be. If the market didn't fluctuate, imagine how traders would make a profit. They must be wise enough to think about and pay attention to the price of bitcoin both in the short and long term. Anyone can make a profit, and vice versa. Of course it is true that prices can change tens of percent in a day, we have experienced this in the dump and pump processes.
I would guess that people who dislike the volatility is disliking the amount of volatility and not the nature of it. Stocks go up or down as well, but rarely you see something that goes down 80% and then goes up 60%, that is the thing they dislike, don't get me wrong I love that about bitcoin but I also understand.

People are used to seeing things go down 20% max and go up 20% max because that's how most major big blue chip stocks move, aside from special cases during big crisis periods, whereas bitcoin could move 20% in a single day and it wouldn't be the first time. That's why people dislike the amount of volatility it has, not the fact that it has some volatility.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Lida93 on March 18, 2023, 02:42:35 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up




Contrary to your topic the price of bitcoin is rising by the day since this week after falling to about closing to $19k in the past Weeks. One thing that we should be aware of is that bitcoin isn't a shit coin that when it starts falling in price we would indulge some fear that it won't rise a again but keep falling till is eventually vanish as many altcoins have done in the past. But rather whenever the price of bitcoin starts falling you should see it as an opportunity to buy more and hold cause it's a digital currency that have proven itself for the past decades and still holding the number one position among all cryptocurrencies ranking and as we are all anticipating, another ATH is just by the corner and many might out of FUD miss it again.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: kotajikikox on March 20, 2023, 03:47:25 AM

please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


look at this mate https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/ can you see the 35% increase in the last 7 days? this happens even there are some big issues about crypto and specially what happened to the biggest bitcoin/crypto mixing company in the business.
the price continues to increase knowing that there is some thread in other mixing or even exchange nowadays.
I think this is enough reason to answer your question.



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up





Short term it wouldn't surprised me if Bitcoin goes above 40k. Medium term (up to the 2030's) I must admit that the blind faith and overconfidence makes me very very uneasy. I hope I'm wrong.
2030? bitcoin will not only reach above 40k but I believe it will go above 100k or even half a million  ;D


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: peter0425 on March 20, 2023, 04:12:19 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Because it is what must happen mate as there are what we called Miners Halving in which being a scenario that price of Bitcoin and other altcoins increasing as the circulation goes moving .
have seen this happening over the year mate and yes , I am a witness of couple of halving that the value breaking ATH.
Of course this will never happen because the concept of bitcoin is decentralization which makes the price depend on the market situation, if we want to store assets with a fixed value then we can use stable coins, the number of users who continue to increase makes the demand continue to increase and when investors feel profit then they selling and keeping prices down.
meaning ? if we lose faith and not investing and continues to withdraw then what OP says may happen.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: BobK71 on March 20, 2023, 06:05:57 AM
For the short term maybe the price will be difficult to go up and even down, of course it will be a boring thing if the bitcoin price doesn't go up, a lot of people will sell when it doesn't go up soon in the long term, but the decentralized system is unique because bitcoin prices can go up and down occurs tens of percent in a day, and a few hairs then the price can go up more than 20% in a day.
If you increase 10 percent or more in a day, then there is no chance of feeling annoying. Bitcoin Holders ‍should wait patiently that will get their highest from Bitcoin. Bitcoin has increased by 12.2 percent in the last 30 days, which is considered the positive site of bitcoin. As the market increases, the investment will increase and the strong basement will be created. The way the market is moving forward will be able to create a good position within the next 3 months.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Bazzu on March 20, 2023, 06:31:00 AM
investing in bitcoin is very risky, and you need to remember that business has risks.
and you need to remember what makes people interested in investing in bitcoin because everyone sees the price of bitcoin fluctuating.

so before investing bitcoin must know the knowledge first.
and must be prepared with the risk of loss.

so we don't worry about bitcoin price.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: LogitechMouse on March 20, 2023, 08:02:02 AM
please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up
Supply and demand, 4-year cycle, sentiments.

These are the things that I know makes the price of Bitcoin go up. Why Bitcoin will make another all-time high? Because many believe that it will, and it happened many times already. Bitcoin goes up then it goes down again then the year after that, Bitcoin will move kind of sideways, but it's another opportunity for those who didn't bought at the bear market, and then after that, the bull run happens. However, this isn't the case all the time, and maybe we might see a different kind of cycle in the future.

What if Bitcoin's price never comes up? Bitcoin's price will not go up "if" there isn't many people who are using it or in short, there is low volume. As long as there are people around the whole buying and selling it, it will go up, but at the same time, it will go down.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: ancafe on March 20, 2023, 08:18:16 AM
investing in bitcoin is very risky, and you need to remember that business has risks.
and you need to remember what makes people interested in investing in bitcoin because everyone sees the price of bitcoin fluctuating.
All forms of investment and business have a level of risk, not just fluctuations that attract people to invest in bitcoin because if that's the case, many other forms of investment will also interest people. Bitcoin can maintain investment value and now there is a lot of evidence that is provided by bitcoin and also there are other factors that make bitcoin more powerful to invest.

so before investing bitcoin must know the knowledge first.
and must be prepared with the risk of loss.
For people who are not ready to take risks, investment and business are not the right place for them. Knowledge about investing is the basic foundation before you try to start and without knowledge you will gamble because it relies on luck.


Title: Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up
Post by: Sir Legend on March 22, 2023, 02:37:54 AM
If bitcoin doesn't go up for more than 4 years of course a lot of people are frustrated and will sell, like we know that the longest price trend because the price hasn't gone up is 2 years, but on a daily basis the price fluctuates very much even up or down 10% or more is a thing as usual, it's only natural that currently bitcoin is suitable for daily trading because it has good and profitable prospects.