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For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

I read the thread which the attached link direct me. I don’t see the part that the scammer reply or the proof that he use the money on his gambling activities. His account last active is last December.

Can you share the exact link for the post contains it? I created too a thread for this topic on our local board for warning but I’m not aware that the reason for this scam is about a gambling addiction. This sucks that he ruined his reputation that build for many years just because he need funds for his gambling addiction.

Here you are: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.msg61586158#msg61586158

There is also one more post, few pages later, when someone else writes about his talk with Yogg.

In such a way there's no how you can sue the provider to law for such risk and loss they have put many through, but to be sincere gambling is all about risk but not in taking this kind of risk that is associated to handling our funds, isn't it better to always safe up such amount needed to gamble with alone than having the entire funds at stake, once it's not your keys then the coins are confidently not yours as well.

I don't know this case, but maybe someone could make this clear, because I'm confused... You guys bought cold wallets from someone who made the keys for you, not thinking about whether he still holds the private keys for these wallets, then deposited bitcoin to these addresses and got them stolen?
It's like buying a used trezor or ledger and depositing to the existing addresses. Did the pandemic brainwash you or something?

This is not a gambling problem. This is a scammer exploiting an opportunity by simply picking up money some people sent his way!

Who wants to buy a wallet from me? I'll make you guys some nice addresses to use and they're going to be free! Any takers? :D

It's not really that simple. Me personally I am not a victim of this as I did not buy anything from him, but the whole market is really huge. I think everyone heard of Casascius coins (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Casascius_physical_bitcoins) which value is now much much bigger than their denomination.
Aside of that, that small items are perfect gifts.

It is just a matter of trust. For years he was running a company which became quite famous and trusted, all was fine and just one day he ruined everything. I do not know which case is worst, the one where you plan everything and just have your 'poker face' because you know one day in the future you will steal everything, or if all runs fine and one day you feel you are in need and then you feel impulse to steal all the money from your customers.
And at the end, it seems like really a 'personal issue', because like someone counter what was stolen is even less that $50k, not like millions in serious scams.

This is sad. Gambling addiction will really bring someone at their worst and then no return with all the loss of others money and much worst, the crime that was done which is stealing.

Trust is still subjective and you just have to give it to the person that you really know even just online.

But at these moments, in terms of keeping money or buying stuff online that involves collections/collectibles that has got embedded with bitcoin is totally risky. It's worrying but I'm sure the circle in you guys (the remaining honest ones) got each others back.

The person who created these collectibles was once a trusted member of this forum. He had a good reputation right before someone who owned his collectible noticed that his funds from those collectibles were swiped. As per the creator of this collectible, all of the files/keys from the collectibles he sells, he destroy immediately. But unfortunately, there is one collectible set to which he didn't delete all of the files which he then used to get money from and gamble it all away (as for owlcatz who came in contact with him).

I think this may not be a gambling discussion per se, but it's a textbook example of how gamblers can throw everything away just to get their fill of their gambling hunger. Mind you, his reputation is years in the making, but because of his gambling itch he just threw it all away.

More than gambling addiction, it seems like a cold blooded scam! The seller intentionally did this with a plan it seems! Gambling addiction could be one of the reasons but this one doesn't look like one typical case. It looks like a well planned scam.

Now due to the nature of cryptocurrency, it will be extremely difficult to find that person who staged this entire incident. All the best!

I also think that it was a planned scam. He was supposed to destroy all private keys but somehow months after selling the wallets happened to find a bunch of them?
He intentionally kept them because "what if I need them one day, what if someone deposits a million dollars?" What's done is done, the guy is never coming back after this.
Personally, I'd never hold bitcoins on such a wallet. In my hands it would only have a decorative purpose. It's a collectible, not a normal wallet.

I am in the process of reading the whole thing but this is quite sad, I have never bought anything on the collectibles market but I take a look from time to time to see what it is being sold there, and I would say that many times I was tempted to buy something as some of the things that are being sold there look quite nice, however it is quite problematic that now Yogg has destroyed his reputation and his business forever in this forum due to their gambling addiction, but now everyone else will find it incredibly hard to sell their products as not only many people that were scammed in this way will abandon the market forever, but the few people that stay will be incredibly skeptical about any similar products in the future.

obviously it was planned because the card was created in 2020 and this case takes place this year, very clever and sneaky. it's a shame that he is a trusted person in this forum and only for thousands of dollars and for the sake of gambling he would risk his reputation. how sad to cheat for thousands of dollars instead of millions of dollars.
one case that can be used as a bad example for being too addicted to gambling and not worthy of emulation

What a waste but as per owlcatz I think the chance is too slim for the investors to get there money. I hope yogg will face jail time, this isn't something of an ordinary, this was like a case of a hardcore addiction that lead him to do this. I don't know how Cold Keys work but I think I joined his raffle in the past, good thing I didn't won or else I may have used it too.

Somehow he has kept the phrase from the wallet on the card and is targeting theft in the long term once the card owner is not aware of it so no reason to trust every account on this forum even though he is reputable and trust, control your assets from what you have in your wallet . But if he is doing it under the influence of gambling addiction then it is regrettable that he has sacrificed the reputation and trustworthiness of his account without any consideration.

Ok thanks, I was trying to search in that thread and it seems it was buried. Oh wow, recently we have some issues regarding a hack by a campaign manager and now this one. The community is becoming a messed now. And sorry for those who lost their bitcoin in the scam that Yogg pulled, no one really expect it from him, until suddenly unknown to us, this trusted member is a gambling addicted behind. Yes, his reputation is ruined and the project itself which has been running for many years now.

As for the gambling addiction, it's really hard to help those people unless they are willing to help themselves. Even if we spot them, maybe it's too late. But if you know someone who are into it, better talk to them right now, sort of intervention.

This is why I think gambling addiction is just as debilitating and threatening as other forms of gambling. The sheer desperation it could give you when you can no longer gamble and you know you're in deep trouble from all the crushing debts you incurred is just terrifying, not to empathize with the thief. I believe it really does paint the whole community behind this project in a bad light but I hope that somehow they clear their names and the perpetrators be given appropriate help and punishments. As much as I hate to be on the victims' shoes, I can't just disregard the fact that the guy needs help and he needs it quick. I even saw a post in the thread where someone who called him said he's sobbing and is in sheer disbelief he even did that. That's how you know he really has a problem and is doing this without thinking things through.

Addiction is really very deadly not only on gambling addiction but also in other addiction as well specially if it touches monetary aspect on w here you could really be ending up on stealing someones funds if you dont have

the money to be spent to cater or to satisfy your addiction which leads you no choice but to get on whats not yours.This is really indeed a disaster specially into those honest cold wallet or wallet sellers which it would

really be tainted out due to this situation and people in the community would hardly be trusting up due into this incident.It is really that safe that he/she did really end up
on this decision which it really mess up everything.

I found out about this news through a topic that was opened in the Portuguese language tab.
I'm sure that, unfortunately, many collectors who until then had their collectibles intact, even if they weren't affected by this theft, thought it was better to "tear" the seal and safeguard the Bitcoins even if it costs to damage the collectible item.

Indeed, a monstrous blow to the collectibles industry and yet another regrettable episode of what gambling addiction drives people to do.

Stay safe, your bitcoins are only yours when you are sure that only you know the seed or private key.

It's quite unfortunate that people or projects you trust, would end up disappointing and scamming you. Gambling addiction is a very strong negative influence that it could make the sufferer irrational in thinking. They can gamble with people's funds without having any viable means or plans of recovering such losses. My heart goes to people that have lost their money in this project. The scammer said he is not going to return to the forum again. If he is still addicted to gambling, he might still create another account and dupe members of this forum again. He needs to see an addiction psychologist for treatment and he should seek for funds to refund all he has stolen from the people.

It's sad to see such a big name in the forum, who apparently created so many timeless and beautiful coin pieces, fall over in such a selfish way. Not only that, it creates ripples and damages the reputation of any future collectible creators because less people will be so trusting in future after such a widespread scandal. I think it's a bit lame to blame it on a gambling addiction, because there are some addicts out there who know their limits and do not stoop to the level of stealing to fund it. If you want to spend your own money on this, do as you please, but once you start stealing other peoples hard earned cash you have crossed the line into criminality and financial fraud which is far beyond normal behavior.

Yogg will surely just opt to face jail time rather than repay what he took, or he does the right thing and work for whatever amount he stole from those 86 collectibles he stole from. Everyone who has those collectibles are burned now, and have no way of reselling those collectibles for a profit later down the line which every one of them hopes for. If I were Yogg, I'd try and make amends by promising to repay whatever amount I stole in order to avoid jail time. Of course, it's no easy feat but it's something that should be done and prioritized by him if he wants to keep his freedom.

I hope he is. Good lord 86 of them? Well, if he can make amends but does he has the light mind right now to do that? If he goes directly to jail, then, repayment wouldn't be possible.

The damage was around less 2 BTC (as per what I read on other topics created) and we don't know if yogg has that kind of money right now considering the case that he scammed those collectors. This guy won't get away with it, he's known entirely and he just sold his reputation that low because of gambling addiction.

This could be a big issue now with those collectibles, and probably they will just remain a collectibles and no one will buy it since its already exposed from a hacked. If the gambling addiction is the problem here, most probably he liquidated all hist assets and used other resources just to support his addiction, this is too bad for the whole collectibles industry, it will be hard to trust other again especially for the auction.

Its really unfortunate event on what happen to coldkey owners since this incident is unexpected but I don't see the person involve saying that it has to be done by gambling that's why he stole all the money of coldkeys owner. Maybe its his personal choice to scam people and provably this is long time plan already.

Maybe he's gambling headed dude but I don't see this a reason why he scam people.

This is why need to be very careful about how we gamble and the level of risks we are taking when we bet so that we can be able to measure our risk to reward and prepare for the worse should in case anything contrary happens to our funds. Although no body expected this to happen but so far, this is an eye opening for us to be more extraordinary careful should Incase we want to indulge in this kind of risk. Everything we do has it own risks to be taken which calls for prompt understanding of our interest in going for more gambling or lesser betting.

Yogg scammed it and stole people's money.  It wasn't all of the cards just a certain series I think but who knows.  There are more still loaded but yeah they can all be able to be considered breached.  Gambling doesn't do this to people, people do this to people.  He stole, whatever the reason he stole from people period.  Nothing to do with gambling, if not gambling it would have been for something else.

if you're in a desperate position, you will go out of your way just to cater your desires. so yes, even if we say, he can't do it, well, he did it. some people will resort to unexpected moves if they see it necessary given his situation on hand. it is not the first time we are hearing such sad story, but it won't be the last. if you are in deep in gambling, sometimes your logical reasoning is out of hand already.

I agree it was a planned scam.  I believe the private key generated on those collectibles held by the creator was destroyed upon printing and sealing it on the item so that creator won't have any access to the Bitcoin that is funded on those items.  So seller keeping the private key intact means he has plan in ransacking those funds.  I do not think it is the gambling addiction but rather a scam was planned ahead of time.


I believe someone from the forum know the contact number of the perpetrator.  So I believe there is a chance to find this guy.

Well, that question, "how may I trust you?" should always be there. And the answer should always be that you shouldn't trust anybody. A long reputable track record is not a guarantee. Neither are the green trusts. Nothing is a guarantee.

In the first place, however, why were there private keys to be retrieved? You aren't the custodian of the coins of the loaded items you are selling. You have no business keeping the private keys of wallets that are already bought. They don't belong to you. Keeping them means you already have that criminal mind.

Anyway, gambling has always been dangerous. Heck, it is deadly.

Damn, that's a long ass thread, rightfully so though. I believe this is a perfect example of how long-lasting businesses can, at a single moment, turn their backs on you and just kill any sort of connection you've had with them. I believe anyone interested in the issue could visit the thread so no need to describe it that much, just know that whether it was intentional or not, it was a very asshole move, if that's enough to describe it. I think this is one of the better instances though since some of his acquaintances were here, they know him personally (and probably where they live) so filing a police report that will take effect is much more likely to happen. 

Idk if his intention was to save the addresses for other uses (such as personal emergencies or something) or just to really fund his gambling addiction, if it was the latter then damn that's dedication and he probably needs big help (after a pretty long sentence though).
If he had I don't think he would've avoided the issue and would've answered the queries here himself. He instead ran away and let the ones who contacted him inform the rest of his customers instead. The issue wouldn't be over with paying the money he stole, but at the very least, it would've been enough to credit it as an "impulsive (VERY) action" on his stead.

Oh crap. Gambling addiction does so many bad things, decisions, and choices. He wasted the business and like @owlcatz said the future value of those cards.
It's definitely a sad story and I believe this should not happen again but we don't really know each other here so trust issues will be a big thing.
Reputation should be earned before trusting them with anything.
Both parties lost a big sum of money here, and that includes the gambler who I think also lost everything after reading the story, he said he was crying the whole time. But, this is a big mistake that should be dealt with, tears won't pay the bills.

I just finished reading the thread. What a disgrace to the collectibles community and the forum in general.
It is almost unbelievable the way someome could possibly sweep peoples money from their wallets, it is the kind of behavior one would expect for the lowest of the scammers on the internet and yet, it seems to have been pulled off by a very reputable member of this forum.

Shameful, the fact he allegedly confessed to be a "degenerate" gambler to their friends only makes things worse.
They are even trying to get police involved...

If I am the victim then whatever he promises is not supposed to be believed, he has already broken the trust before and he doesn't deserve this opportunity seems cruel but jail time is what he deserves unless he has enough assets that he can pledge in a third party as collateral that he will pay for what he stole and all his assets will be returned after all the money is returned.
The gambling addict cannot be trusted, but i agree with some people that this is like a premeditated scammed, and the excuse of gambling addiction is just an excuse to make him also seen as a victim of evil.

I think the same, he is trying to blame this on his supposed gambling addiction, but he should not have those private keys to begin with, those keys should have been destroyed long ago, now it seems he claims keeping those private keys was an accident, but when did he exactly discover those keys still existed and why they were not destroyed immediately?

If that happened before his gambling addiction took place then we can say there was a clear intent on eventually scamming his customers, and his gambling addiction would be nothing more than an excuse for his behavior.

For sure, it will put a dent on the collectible markets now as it put a bad spotlight for a project that Yogg has built for years and not it crumbles into dust. And it could be the main reason that at the end of December, Yogg says that he is stepping down on the project.

And after that, boom all those who purchase the Cold Key from Yogg or those close to the projects, suddenly swipes their bitcoin and it's gone just like in a blink of an eye. Gambling addiction is real and everyone is vulnerable. I will not trust anything on what this guy is going to say next, whether paying his customers (most likely not).

I think we can only take his word for it, whether it's gambling or not, the individual has some serious problems that he has to swipe those private keys of his supposed to be customers that trusted him, and why he is keeping the private key when he is should destroyed it already. So something is fishy in the beginning and this could be a well plan after all because of his addiction or not.

The company is destroyed already, I don't think that anyone will buy again after what had happen here.

Even old producer is not exempted from this questioning since no one is immune to gambling or any type of addiction since we are just human. But the most affected here is that forum users that manufacture their own collectable items and probably only a few will be interested to enter this kind of business there's already trust broken among the community. This might be the start of the devaluation of all the collectables made by forum users since there will be no interest in them from future buyers.

Is there any info on what casino did he use to gamble all the funds? There might be something left on the initial funds to seize using the authority to file it.

As for now, it seems the funds have not been moved from the initial address where they have been transfered to. Some are already speculating that address probably does not belong to an exchange, since exchanges do not let funds still this long.

It may be a personal address of his or an address of someone he owned money to. There is also a chance it is a casino address,.but no proof of that either.

This is why a gambling addicted should never be trusted with anything related to finance (business, money and things similar). They need help before they can be trusted. No matter how much they will claim they are fine and can be trusted, their words can't be taken for easily. They will eventually screw you up. I have heard stories about how business managers were stealing money to fund their gambling addictions, how employees were stealing, how children were stealing from their elderly parents and so on.

Just curious, how did he steal those money? He sold those collectibles, so that means he has access to the funds. So people were just blindly trusting that guy not steal their money or something?

I completely agree. I just found out about the case and I just supported the flag. The bad thing is that he hasn't posted much lately on the forum, so the only thing left for people to do is to go to the police.

This is an extreme case that is by no means the norm. Most people play responsibly, although from time to time they may have an odd session in which they end up betting more than expected, but this type of degenerate gamblers need psychological help and the first ones to recognize it are them.

Stay away from this type of people for any economic dealings.

I was browsing the board until the topic got my attention and then left a response for Yogg and others on that topic. It's really unfortunate and I can think how hard it is for a gambler to accept everything he lost and how he is destroying himself.

Long ago I was a gambling addict. My life was a disaster. At some point people who are very close to me they came forward to help me. To start I had to disconnect myself from all sorts of gambling websites, banned myself from all the local bookies. Then I was taken to a psychiatrist. The process was long but eventually I was able to give up the addiction. Those who follow me knows these days I do not gamble. do not even take free bets if I win from any competitions. 

What Yogg need is the support from the people around him. Once he is sober then he can rebuild his career and settle all the debts. People are not going to trust him anymore but at least he can take steps to make things right.

Congratulations for overcoming your gambling addiciton. It must be really hard to face the desire for gambling, while being seen in a bad way by friends and relatives around. You should be proud of yourself, because you are a real winner for your achievement! And congrats to these people who are close to you as well, since they must have been an essential friendly hand on your recovery process.

Anyway, stories like the one present on this thread show us how gambling addiction can become a serious problem involving a lot of people besides the addicted gambler himself. Sometimes the person is blind by his addiction that he will do anything and everything to continue wagering. In this case the person stole funds, and in some more extreme situations the person can even kill!

That he may start treating himself properly against this addiction and refunding all those people he scammed futurely.

Maybe he just prioritize those cards who have a bigger balance on them and then after it, those cards with a smaller balances on them are going to be the next on the list. Holder of those cards should act quickly and empty those balances before the scammer made its move.

You are right that gambling doesn't have the ability to scam people but gambling are only built to give entertainment to the people however there are cases where a person can get addicted with gambling where they will lose all what they got and then they can be able to commit crimes only to deposit more money in the game. I remember SBF is also said to be a gambler and this can also be the reason on why his company fall down.

However, if someone has overcome gambling addiction, it will have a bad impact or effect on their life. Not only forum users, but even outsiders, if they are already addicted to gambling, they will feel sad trouble.
If someone is addicted, it will be very difficult for them to be able to hold back or stop the desire to always play or bet.
What they have in mind is just to play and keep betting, whether what they experience is only defeat or victory, they don't care. Even if the money runs out they can do everything they can to be able to keep gambling.
An impact like this will make it very difficult for them to survive and will only experience difficulties or hardships from an economic perspective.
Unless the gambling addict has had a lot of money from the start and they are experts in every game or bet, then they will be able to use gambling as a source of their income.

I just understood what it means to win in gambling, namely to control yourself, when people can control themselves in gambling, that's where they already feel the victory, it doesn't mean that they have to get more money at the gambling table, people have to change their mindset like this , if addicts continue to be unable to control themselves then they will continue to do anything to continue playing at the gambling table no matter what crimes they make

Yeah the guy was literally inactive for a month now and I don't think he has the balls to back in here again besides his reputation has been at the lowest already. If it wouldn't have been opened up by one of his customers, then, he probably just enjoying not being caught yet or worst he may have scammed other collectibles out there that wasn't moved.

Yeah, worst thing happen and sometimes those affected person will do crime just to have money to sustain there activities done in a casino. If this case is true and the said person is addicted to gambling then maybe this will be the eye opener for other newbie gambler that same thing might happen to them if they became a hardcore gambler so we should follow always the reminder that gambling in moderation to avoid unwanted things.

Its up a gambler itself it because we all know that not all gambler get addicted but mostly and this is a bad thing happen from a gambler life of they van not control themselves. But what we saw in real world many gamblers get addicted even though they are small gamblers they do an unexpected things in order to fulfill Thier hunger mind. And yes newbie in gamble must know about this in order to prevent themselves to so such things.

The danger of being a gambling addict is that he only thinks about how he can have money to gamble, and there is a possibility that they will commit crimes that will harm many people. And if that case is true, this is a lesson for us always to take good care of ourselves and avoid gambling addiction. We can easily become addicted to gambling because playing gambling is very exciting and can make us curious, happy, sad, and so on. And it will only trigger us to become addicted to gambling that we will not even realize.

I was going through the thread and it was found shocking it's more about trading or buying something p2p than addiction and it proved humans can change.

Its unacceptable behavior and has already flag raised by the community members, even with the addiction still our character decides what we are about the pull-up, I had been in huge financial debt but paid all of them by selling the assets I own instead of turning them back because once the name lots we can't earn them back,

You just nailed it! The most important thing is to be a winner in life, preserving mental and physical health, caring for finances and the people around. To be a winner in a game, while ignoring or going against all those other aspects is worthless, because that means an efemerous victory, which won't bring future postive consequences in life, but only suffering, regrets and pain.

Definitely yogg needs the support of his relatives, friends, and families, gambling addiction is hard to overcome since it is a serious condition that has a significant impact on the person's life. I hope yogg can be able to overcome his addiction and set things straight. 

Yogg should have destroyed his copy of the private key so that he won't be tempted to steal the funds deposited at those addresses.  It is sad to think that yogg, being one of the most trusted people in this forum backstabbed the people who trusted him because of the said gambling addiction.


This incident should have been avoided if yogg destroyed his copy of the private keys of the sold items.


That is what we called taking responsibility but I believe only a few people have such character.  Hopefully, yogg once his gambling addiction is treated shows this kind of character too.

This will prove that whatever you do that is bad or something can destroy a person's reputation which will make people think that the person is not to be trusted. If you are a project founder or the creator of it and got addicted yo gambling then you will end up stealing just like what happen to the person that OP talked about. Well, if you acquire the private keys in an auction then there is a possibility that the owner of it still have a copy or didn't delete it. I think this is what happen to the person who's funds got stolen.

What happened is so unfortunate and worse than the money he stole from people and friends or having an addiction in gambling, the worst part is to betray your friends just because of some games that supposed to be only for fun and played with consideration just as consuming alcohol. He saved the cards keys for only one type of those card he is been selling which was so fortunate and wasn’t that huge amount of money because i believe the other cards where much valuable and more expensive and hopefully he didn’t save their keys to sweep the rest of them once again.
But anyway being a scammer i believe is more dangerous than gambling addiction because in both cases you will have choices to do, being a scammer is already bad and makes you a total d*ck, but having an addiction you still can be a very nice person and wouldn’t try to steal other people’s money no matter what and even asking and trying to fix that issue.
I hope our members in BTT learned another lesson to not trust such cards no matter how good and fun they looked

The problem is his malicious intent because he was supposed to destroy them and told the buyers that he did but it was a lie. I don't think that it's just addiction. Addiction leads to destruction of your own wealth. When it leads you to steal from others it makes you a criminal. He's not just another addict. He's a thief.


Since I follow the don't trust - verify rule, I'd never get caught up in this scam. I'd treat the item as a gadget, maybe an investment since they can go up in value.

Now it's a strange situation where on one hand these wallets were involved in a scam but on the other there won't be any more of them made so they could go up or down depending on the community's approach.

I could say that gambling addiction can really ruin a person's reputation. It will be hard for the people around you to trust you because of your irresponsible gambling actions. They will always think that you'll steal and run away. If you have fallen for gambling addiction, it will be hard for you to gain the trust because of money matters.
Private keys are too important and we should keep them as hard as we can because scammers and thieves could be everywhere.

It really is and that's why I said that being a gambling addict can ruin anyone's reputation and what you explained is what will ruin the reputation. Anyway, I believe that there are people who's reputation is the not ruin even though that person is gambling but not gambling addict. The one who's reputation will get ruined are those who are gambling addicts that are not responsible in gambling which will result in stealing money from the project or even from family.

This is the proof that those creators of collectibles still have the copy of the private keys and what happened here ruin the reputation or collectibles and for sure many will not trust this kind of investment anymore, collectibles will be on a bigger risk of losing its value. Addiction is not good at all, this is very unfortunate to the collectors of those rare items, probably they are affected as well.

^It takes time for me to read all comments and posts on that thread which seems cold storage like this should not be trusted. So possible, those other paper wallets in collectible sections should not be trusted, I am right? So we are here, another person who has been addicted to gambling and stole a lot of money just because of gambling which he let ruin his reputation here in the forum because of gambling. From the start, yogg probably knows this, he fucked up his account's reputation altogether his business here in the forum. The reason here is we have to control ourselves in gambling not to become addicted because when are there, it is very easy to make crimes.

addiction is something that corrupts even the person who considered himself as honest as possible, that's why even when a person is addicted we can't keep condemning him, judging as if we were immune to addiction, anyone can become addicted to games It's bad luck, when a person is addicted everyone around that person needs to be patient, forgive the addicted person's actions and then provide emotional support to the addict. I already had an addicted relative, he even took our goods and went to sell without us knowing to support the addiction and then disappeared because he was afraid and ashamed to return home

gambling addicts are worse than alcohol addicts, this is because gambling addicts always believe that when they gamble they will be luckier and will win a lot of money, when they lose they come back to believing that they need to gamble more because luck will be with them. them and it will be different

Too bad that many will suffer just because of gambling addiction, imagine doing such crime in an instant most probably they are really planning to hack all those buyers of their collectibles. Hopefully, someone can sue them because I believe this is not just a job of one person, the whole developer should be responsible. What will happen to collectibles now is that, it can be a useless physical coin or maybe some collector still want to get it but on a cheaper price.

Yeah, gambling addiction is a serious issue that can have severe consequences, not just for the individual but also for those around them. As you've mentioned, the incident in this thread is a prime example of how addiction can lead to criminal behaviour. It's also important to recognize that gambling addiction is a treatable condition, and there are many resources available for those who are struggling with it. If the person in this case is truly struggling with an addiction, he should seek help and start working on recovery. It's also important for him to take responsibility for his actions and make amends to those he's harmed, including refunding the stolen funds.

Winning in gambling doesn't mean always winning money, it's about being able to control oneself and not letting addiction take over. Gambling can be a fun and enjoyable activity, but it's crucial to be aware of the potential risks and to practice responsible gambling.

It's sad that people can ruin everything just because of gambling addiction. I know a lot of collectors and even trust on the forum had been damaged because of this. I can't imagine that even a reputable member can throw away anything just for money and gambling addiction. I just hope everyone will get over this and Yogg will face the consequences of his actions. Keep your money safe everyone and don't get swallowed by gambling addiction. Take this mishap as what gambling addiction can do to anyone.

Mehn!!!! This is some f**ked up shit. Damn!!!
With what I have read so far I think the guy here; yogg or whatever the f**K the scum his called, has ruined his life in this forum and also his card business has been ruined as well. I just hope he f**king burn in hell for this shit.

When gamblers are adviced to reduce their gambling habit the think we're trying to harm them or maybe we're jealous of the fact that they guts to gamble more than they should  and we don't. Now this is the result of been a gambling addict.

Damn!! One more time. I just went through all the positive reviews he has managed to get and just keep thinking about how he threw all that away just for some few penny.

Sadly someone who happen replaced him as the CEO of that company is greatly affected because of yogg's action.


That is what compulsive gambling do, the uncontrol urge made a person spend the amount of money whether it is his or not thinking that he will win to replace the lost amount.  The torturing part of this uncontrol urge is that, the addicted person knows that he is doing a bad thing and yet can't help but to follow the urge to gamble.  It is just another sad event where a reputable person got destroyed by gambling addiction.

( Though I still think that this incident is planned as early as when the collectibles are being created because he did not destroy his copy of the private keys of the said items)

this is why many gamblers find it difficult to stop stopping their addiction so they dare to commit any crime in order to satisfy their desire to gamble and spend the money from the theft they did, they will never stop until they can control themselves

Note a gambler see any fund or property available as an opportunity to win big he encourage himself when ever he loss and always want to go for more, gambling is very addictive in such a way that a real gamble can do anything to gamble, it so sad that people can gamble with anything, the word addiction comes with different negativity that involves human misbehavior, in conclusion whatever you do as a human that brings distrust or suspicion is not worth it so you should seek a redress as early as you can before it get worst to the extent of not solvable.

I can agree to that, it's uncontrollable once you get engage too much, if you still see chances not to continue or I mean if you still have the chance to back out and stop doing it, better to do your best to avoid getting addicted, though we can't really say that it can be done just like that, those addicted gamblers also doesn't want to be in the situation.

It's the un-control lust that they wanted to fulfil in each try that they gamble. Worse, if they lose, they will keep trying no matter what to recover and it will end up in a much worse situation.

Not every gambler sees any fund or property available as an opportunity to win big.  I believe only those who have gambling problems see it that way.  Take notice, not all gamblers are addicted to gambling so those who are not addicted to gambling are still in control and sane to think that they only need money they can afford to lose to get a good win.

I do agree that gambling is created to be addictive so we should always have a self-check regularly to know changes that is happening in our way of engaging with gambling activities.

I am just coming from the thread and I must say that, it is indeed a pathetic situation.
Gambling addiction has destroyed a lot of lives, and not just the life of the addictive gamblers but also, the lives of those around them or have done business with them - a reference being the incident mentioned in the OP.

The warning against addictive gambling will never be over emphazed, its a topic that will never be too old to discuss, gamblers need to be constantly updated on this so that everyone can put themselves in check, let us please gamble responsibly and not allow ourselves to be carried away, less we destroy ourselves and some other innocent lives as well.

I am curious. In my life I never had an interest for collectible. The collectible section seems very interesting place for few members, not sure how large it is. When they buy a collectible, the address of the printed coin/metal/card is pre-filled with coins? Then whoever buy it, they are trusting the sender.

If this is the case then how it's even going with the concept of bitcoin LOL

When someone is out of his own control because of addiction (regardless what kind of addiction), he/she can do anything unexpectedly.
Even worst there are many stories of addicted gambler decided to end their life because they have too much debt as the effect of their addiction.
In this case, I do not know yogg personally and I do not even know that he is a gambler as it is rare to see him active in gambling board.
What have just happened shock me tbh, he is known as one of trusted members in this forum but ended up like this due to gambling addiction.

You are on point, and I will continue to tell people that we should not entirely judge others because we are free from their plagues, mental prowess varies among human beings. Initially, I judge people on addiction because I viewed addiction as a choice, this was as to why they could not prevent it before it eats deep into them. But on second thought, we do not have the mental power to challenge situations the same way, still, those that are addicted would not be totally exonerated from the blame, but when they are in, they need help instead of judging them.

All my life I have stayed away from trouble and addiction, this is why I made the last point, I am alert and conscious of my actions. There was a time that I was getting addicted to Lotto, I made sure that I forced myself from not doing it throughout that time before it gets worse, and it works till today. Anyone can discipline themselves to be responsible too.

Not surprising for most people on being judgmental towards other peoples mistakes and flaws and this isnt something shocking on where there are ones might be that in concern or would be going into that mindful path
on someones demise but there are most people who would really be criticizing which we cant really blame them.Its always been bad on making use of money which it isnt really yours which it would really be that
normal to have those bad looks and words towards it.Addiction would really be that corrupting on someones life if you arent really that good on controlling your emotion and thinking towards things.I dont believe that
there's no time that they had realize that they are going beyond borders no matter how bad the situation or looks like but still  there is really a time that you are aware on what you are doing.It is really just that you
do make out a choice and decides to tolerate and this one messes up your life.

Unfortunately, there are many people who suffer from a huge gambling addiction. There is very little you can do about that as a community. You can also hardly blame the gambling sites for continuing to advertise a lot, in the end the gambling addicts are the people from whom companies earn the most money in the long run. There are many different tragic stories, but there are also stories of people who like to gamble occasionally for fun. Then you should think of a casino rather than an online gambling site. I have never been so engrossed in the numbers and statistics of people who are addicted to the forum. Many addicts also prefer to keep that information to themselves.

Exactly.That is compulsive gambling,it can destroy anyone,including trusted members of this forum and not only,we have seen people doing much worse things than this.When a person becomes addicted to such levels the only thing who can help him is the professional help,the fact that he didn't show any sign that he wanted to recover says a lot about gambling addiction which distorts one person's reality and this person no matter who this is cannot think clearly or cold headed.Gamblers have thrown away their families,wives,jobs and this is just another such story unfortunately.

Scammers like to blame other people or things for their behavior. As if it excuses them. Maybe it was because of gambling maybe (and most likely) it was not. If were were to excuse these actions as the result of a real sickness, like addiction, then we are basically forgiving them for what they did. I do not think that is a good idea. No sympathy for criminals.

There is never an excuse for stealing from other people. This whole "gambling addiction" spin is a pile of horsecrap.

I hope he gets what he deserves.

The sad part of being addicted, you are right an addicted gambler can throw everything for the sake of gambling, and only a professional help can assist the person to allow the threatment, though it still depend from how willing the person was, nothing is different to any other kind of bad addictions as it really ruined your life.

Definitely, this is the issue and aside from being a thief, might fall under fraud.  Since he lied and mislead people into believing that he destroyed the private key and later found out that he kept it and resulted in him stealing the fund.


Past experience makes me think like this too, don't trust people on the internet  :D.


This is one of the interesting turns of the event, since the item is collectibles, those who tampered with their stuff to sweep the BTC funded in it themselves will definitely get devalued.  I wonder what would be the difference in price if the item gets hot due to the scandal attached to it.

The uncontrollable urge is the reason why being a compulsive gambler can destroy your life. I met a lot of people online and physically that they cannot control their urge because their psychology is already not good. Many gamble fall and became a compulsive gambler because they treat gambling as their personal income, wherein they became dependent to it where their decisions have no convictions at all. A compulsive gambler have always "What if?" in their mind wherein they keep thinking how much money that they can make from it without having risk management and also without managing their expectations.

Compulsive gamblers don't think about the possible outcome and consequences of their actions regardless of how they will affect their reputation. What important to them is that they would have a souce of funds to gamble continuously despite the ruined trust of the people around them.
Risk is nothing to them as long as they could fulfill their urge to gamble and to satisfy their gambling needs that's why many people's lives get broken and miserable because of this practice.

even people in the real world are not to be trusted, you can test your friends, do a simple test, drop a lot of money in front of your friends and pretend you didn't see the money falling, then leave the place for a few minutes that you you will see that your friends will take the money, then return to where they are and that you dropped the money stay with them for hours, you will notice that none of them will tell you that you dropped money, that's because money runs people in the world today people no longer value love, honesty, all that matters to people is having a lot of money and humiliating the poor

I agree, based on my personal experience a relative of mine who's not even a gambler asked money to me years ago and have forgotten to pay me. Well, but being an addicted gambler is way too much.

When someone who does have the money of others and sees that it will make them satisfy to gamble with others fund, unusual things can really be done during their desperation moments.

It's disappointing that someone who has built his trust and reputation then will steal his customers money that has really trusted his product.

It is very depressing but this is the way things are, at a very early age kids learn that the most important thing on the world is money, if you have it then you have everything if you do not then you have nothing, with this kind of mentality it is then not rare to understand why the pursuit of money has become the one and only goal for some people, but this kind of mentality is incredibly dangerous and one of the best examples of this is SBF which did not cared about anything but how much money he could get out of people, even if he had to ruin them to get it.

Yes, if your read the whole context of this story how someone as reputable as him will suddenly go on and have a gambling problem and then victimized his customers in his community is depressing and sad. It's the addiction that literally killed the man's reputation and the project that there will be no recovering as he ruins himself and the project for the sake of money because he couldn't control his emotions and gambling habits. He will be remorseful for sure it everything sinks him to him, but no way he can get it back now.

Not suddenly. A gambling addiction problem does not appear overnight, and when it does it is often an expression of previous problems that someone close to the person and attentive could pick up on.

This person has probably already had observable behavioural problems in his or her daily behaviour, such as spending a large part or all of his or her paycheck on gambling on payday. Using credit cards or personal loans to continue gambling, etc.

The bad news is that he hasn't logged in the forum for a month, so there is little to fix for those who have been scammed by him, at least within the forum. Another thing is if they decide to take other measures.

This is the reason why I will never invest in buying those Casascius coins... you just don't know if the creator of those coins has access to the Private key. They usually tell you that it is done electronically and that they have some kind of method that hides the Private key from the creator, but I think it is all bullshit.  ::)

Just give the guy the jail time, even if he blames this all on gambling addiction.... because in the eye of the law, this is still theft. The victims of this crime are more important, than the criminal that done this. (If he can pay back the money, just give him a suspended sentence and give him a second chance)  ;)

You need to learn how to work with this kind of situation, you as a human being have the capability to adjust, not everything or not everyone have that same sentiments, but most of the time it is really possible that you can see people to react like that, addiction to gambling as we know it can ruined people's life.

I do agree that changes are unavoidable. People who are got attached to this kind of addiction need to work hard to help themselves and find the best ways to solve this problem.

It is very sad if we know a person with a good reputation and then use it to abuse his reputation by taking something from someone else. Especially if this case really concerns the problem of gambling addiction, which made him lose everything he had. Gambling addiction is something that really has to be realized and cured somehow so that he doesn't make a mess, let alone destroy himself. He must be sorry he did it, and we are disappointed with what he did. Hopefully, there will be no more cases like this in the future so that no one will get hurt anymore.

Sorry but this not really fair to say that he was "in need because of gambling" to steal all the funds. Nobody is in need to steal money, that is a criminal act and there is no excuse for it. Gambling addiction is a terrible thing that can ruin a whole family, but we can't use it as an excuse for someone to steal money. We are in control of our lives and he should have known better to not reach the point in life where we need to steal money to support our habits. Nobody is born as a gambling addict, it's same with alcohol, drugs or other things in life where people struggle with addictions. It's a gradual process that slowly lead to bad habits manifesting itself and become harder to control. For me there is really no excuse to exploit the goodwill of people and steal their money. I hope we would go one month without a scandal in the crypto world. All we can do now is to learn from this and not trust others with our our private keys

I saw many people to sell their car, house, divorced their wife even abandoned their children and many bad ending of gamblers. I grew up in a place where young starts were addicted to weed, scamming, hijacking, killing each others, ending up jail. I knew exactly where I was going but it was no easy to control yourself unless family and people close to you support you. I was lucky.

Gambling is supposed to be a fun, an element of entertaining. But because there are money to lose and people don't like to lose money that they earned hard way, they starts chasing the lose. The chase never ends but at some stage they find that they lost everything. Some people thinks it's an way to make easy money. But it's not at all. A gambler always lose and the house wins always.

I never looked at how the whole collectible coins work. But it could be done better than loading the address by the creator.

Well, in this case, it was bullshit. If he kept all those private keys in some way, he was preparing for fraud from the very beginning.

We have all seen countless things about collectibles here on the forum, I guess it's interesting in some way but I never had a passion to buy one or to get more included in any way. Looks like it was a good choice...

And what will happen with collectibles now? One addicted gambler ruined the entire business!

In the wake of this incident, it is likely that buyers and collectors will be more cautious and sceptical of new coin or card producers, and will want to see evidence of robust security measures and a commitment to transparency before investing.

Furthermore, it's important to know that there are ways to mitigate the risks of similar incidents happening. For example, using smart contract on blockchain can bring transparency and security to the whole process. Additionally, using a decentralized platform can also bring more security to the process. Overall, it is important for the collectibles market to learn from this incident and take steps to improve security and transparency to regain the trust of buyers and collectors.

First of all, what has happened is very sad, it may be that for those related to the topic of collectibles the situation is more difficult.


@PawGo +1
Thank you for your vision of the situation, it is even very silly to think that because it is not in collectibles it should not affect us.

Yes, it was intentional since from the beginning because if you dont really have the plans on committing fraud or hacking then you wont really be putting up into your mind on keeping or knowing those
private keys considering that lots of customers had been trusting up on you.You had just messed up your entire reputation because of that.This is why its really hard to believe that he dont have
any intents and blames out on gambling addiction but im not really seeing on that way because keeping keys and selling or giving it out on customers arent something
ethical way for you to done on.

Yes willingness to do crime is one of the complication since most of addicted gambler will do anything just to get money. All they care is to gamble and we see this for so many times happening so to avoid going unto this situation practicing self control is needed, once we attain this for sure we can enjoy the true essence of gambling.

You got a point!

I agree that keeping keys on something you do sell isn't ethical no matter what angle you would be seeing.This is why its really hard to trust up someone whose anonymous or completely you dont know personally.
No matter how established their name is but there's no way that you could prove out that on how long they would be keeping themselves honest and trustworthy? It is really that that hard to fight off
the temptation in speaking about huge money specially when gambling addiction hits you hard and you do end up with this kind of option.

I think the information you are purchasing is contract catering in my own understanding I was even trying to understand exactly they want you and Megan although I could not you get it all right so I want to tell you that you're like some you obviously meant to be understandable to your reader who is reading it I tried like severally to understand you but I could not get you right it is a personal decision on the personal agreement please don't take it on your heart

The fact that he always kept data he should not have is just a con artist.   This is not something I'd connect to gambling, its deception and fraud based theft.    Sometimes this occurs with other items that can be bought and sold, people who buy online game accounts sometimes get the 'owner' take it back some time later.    BTC and crypto generally has to find a way outside of relying on one person like this, if it can go wrong unfortunately some will make sure it does go wrong for victims motivated by their own personal profit.    Some people are fake like that, most people arent but there'll always be somebody who ruins any trust extended by a community sadly.

In other terms, shit happened, and can't be avoided as that was something that will happen surprisingly and instantly.

What matter here is, we should able now to think what's the best thing to do in the future in case we will be again in the same situation.

A bad experience though but that case should be served as another lesson for us.

I would like to say a key point:
we don't have the certainty that this user has scammed everyone because of gambling.
or rather this is the information he gave, but obviously we don't have any certainty about it.
(don't trust, verify)

analyzing his activity on the forum he practically never wrote in the gambling section ... ::) well this sound like an hint for me...

This is a big problem for the supporters of Bitcoin and crypto collectibles especially those who prefer to have their collection pieces loaded with Bitcoin or crypto amounts. They will either be forced to find some compromise or find some ways so that creators don't necessarily have control over their collections' load.

With respect to gambling, nothing is sacred, not even your reputation, company, job, etc. Not even your family's needs or your family itself, or even life itself. Gambling is fun until it isn't. So it has to be seriously controlled.

Yes gambling can make any good person into a demon. That’s why from the old times Gambling has been considered as a sin. But in a world of free will and action, we can’t stop these types of gamblers. I am not saying all the gamblers are bad, the fact is that doing bad deeds for gambling will surely hamper other person’s life. Gambling in control is the perfect solution for these types of behaviour. If someone controls their addiction to gambling then definitely he will be in his limits and will be able to differentiate between good and bad.