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Bitcoin => Electrum => Topic started by: digaran on January 19, 2023, 01:03:31 AM



Title: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: digaran on January 19, 2023, 01:03:31 AM
I recently searched for an address and some sources told me that my address is invalid but I was able to sign a message with that address using Electrum, if my address was invalid Electrum would have notified me right?


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: jackg on January 19, 2023, 02:06:27 AM
What did the address begin with? If it was a bc1 address then the error was with the website, if it was with anything else the error might be yours.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: digaran on January 19, 2023, 02:12:58 AM
What did the address begin with? If it was a bc1 address then the error was with the website, if it was with anything else the error might be yours.
111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG

Above address is what I'm talking about.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: Edwardard on January 19, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I recently searched for an address and some sources told me that my address is invalid but I was able to sign a message with that address using Electrum, if my address was invalid Electrum would have notified me right?
If you are able to sign a meassage, it means you control the private keys of that address. So how can it be invalid? Also, could you specify which source(s) are saying that your address is invalid?

111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG

Above address is what I'm talking about.
Im able to search for this address on blockchain (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG) and blockchair (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG) explorers already. You have no balance with no transaction history, is that correct?

I suppose you are trying to import your keys in a different wallet but you could be using the wrong format hence the sources bring you invalid error?!


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: digaran on January 19, 2023, 03:00:03 AM
I recently searched for an address and some sources told me that my address is invalid but I was able to sign a message with that address using Electrum, if my address was invalid Electrum would have notified me right?
If you are able to sign a meassage, it means you control the private keys of that address. So how can it be invalid? Also, could you specify which source(s) are saying that your address is invalid?

111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG

Above address is what I'm talking about.
Im able to search for this address on blockchain (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG) and blockchair (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG) explorers already. You have no balance with no transaction history, is that correct?

I suppose you are trying to import your keys in a different wallet but you could be using the wrong format hence the sources bring you invalid error?!
I used openAI, and she said this address is invalid, thanks for the reply.
I wanted to know if signing a message with invalid address was possible or not.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: Edwardard on January 19, 2023, 03:22:36 AM
I used openAI, and she said this address is invalid, thanks for the reply.
Not sure what is an OpenAI and what does she do :(
I wanted to know if signing a message with invalid address was possible or not.
If it was possible, wouldn't everyone sign a message with any address they wish to? I guess this would break all the security rules of bitcoin, lol.
So the answer is no, impossible!


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: nc50lc on January 19, 2023, 04:48:03 AM
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I used openAI, and she said this address is invalid, thanks for the reply.
There's a reason why ChatGPT answers are banned in multiple platforms and forums, that's on example.
I've also seen users here who referenced ChatGPT answers and some are too generic, if not, incorrect.
Give it a few more years before taking its answers into account.

I wanted to know if signing a message with invalid address was possible or not.
If it was possible, wouldn't everyone sign a message with any address they wish to? I guess this would break all the security rules of bitcoin, lol.
I think you misunderstood the question.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: pooya87 on January 19, 2023, 05:50:56 AM
I wonder if the AI (or maybe AD, "artificial dumbass") actually decoded the base58 address and messed up on converting the ones to zeros and and reporting the final hash after removing the initial zeros for being zero ergo enduing up with a 16-byte hash instead of 20.
That's the only reason I can think of for a tool to reject a bitcoin address like 111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: Charles-Tim on January 19, 2023, 07:41:46 AM
AI have their own disadvantages too, they can give wrong information, they are not 100% accurate. I wonder people are now using AI for checking if an address is correct or wrong, I will advice you to import the address on a wallet to know if it is valid or not or just use a blockchain explorer for it.

If you are able to sign a message with the address on Electrum, that means you generate or import the private key of the address on the same Electrum wallet that you used to sign the message. That alone shows that the address is valid.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 19, 2023, 10:06:53 AM
Firstly, that address is perfectly valid.
Secondly, you sign a message using the private key associated with an address, not the address itself.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: NotATether on January 19, 2023, 06:06:30 PM
I wonder if the AI (or maybe AD, "artificial dumbass") actually decoded the base58 address and messed up on converting the ones to zeros and and reporting the final hash after removing the initial zeros for being zero ergo enduing up with a 16-byte hash instead of 20.
That's the only reason I can think of for a tool to reject a bitcoin address like 111113DUwES2ZNWSJztA3oBuhzfcdmiaG.

OpenAI doesn't run any kind of computation at all except for their neural network, when you interact with its bot(s).

There's no such thing as an "an invalid address that can't be used to sign a message". Messages are signed with private keys (as you know), and the address is actually irrelevant as it can be derived from the private key anyway.


Title: Re: Can we sign a message with invalid address using Electrum?
Post by: digaran on January 19, 2023, 06:52:46 PM

If you are able to sign a message with the address on Electrum, that means you generate or import the private key of the address on the same Electrum wallet that you used to sign the message. That alone shows that the address is valid.
This is my answer. Thank you all for replying.