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We hear it all the time in the news and even here on this forum - Scary price drop speculations based completely on fake/exaggerated news or on something without any kind of substance.

While we can all agree that panic selling is newbie domain, there are also veterans who love spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. These are the people who know from experience that the Bitcoin price will definitely rise, but they can't resist buying discount BTC off of panic sellers.

Bear-whales and smaller traders alike spread FUD for the reason of scaring investors and pushing down the Bitcoin price.

Do you consider this FUD-spreading unethical or do "shaky hands" get what they deserve?

Spreading fake news is certainly not good, but it is part of the fact that everyone is allowed to speak their mind. Whether that opinion is right or wrong. Therefore, one should not always believe everything one reads or hears. Forming your own opinion is important. It is true that fear and emotions are played with in order to push the price down or drive it up, but unfortunately this game is part of trading and this happens in all areas.  :(

I don't think it's right what's being done, but it's hard to say whether it's unethical. Either way, everyone has their own view and opinion on it and sees it from a different point of view.  :)

It’s unethical but it’s part of trading to have a movement when the price is stagnant. This is same when shiller is posting about hyping certain things like the price will sky rocket to a certain level without any proof but just faith that it will happened. Trading shouldn’t be one sided and everyone has the responsibility for their own investment so there’s no ethical or unethical when it comes to trading as long as it doesn’t involves direct price manipulation on the exchange through inside trading.

Yes, but not restricted to FUD. I think any kind of solicitation is unethical, especially the way most people do it (cherry pick information and showing what is positive, sometimes even unfounded). I love when there's spreading of awareness and information, absolutely don't like when speculative hype is being bandied around. Doesn't matter if FOMO or FUD, it's all generally quite irresponsible leading to people parting with money they can't afford to lose.

I know it's all opinion but when you're spreading it, even paying for it to be heard/seen...

they all are going to speculate no matter where the price goes. when BTC goes up to $50k, there are still people spreading fud that it will go down soon. they may provide TAs for it and it is all just to make people sell. mind you if they sell at $50K during 2021, then they are absolutely right as well because by 2022 the price goes below $20k. you still can't call it a fud.

What kind of question is that? Misleading others, or causing fear that can lead to financial losses or even loss of life is unethical to say the least. Unfortunately, the fact that social networks and mainstream media are something that shapes public opinion and that they are structured in such a way that it is very easy to abuse them for any purpose, what is unethical has become quite normal.

However, I would like to emphasize that not all FUD is intentional, because if we just look at this forum, we can see that some, under the influence of the media, are spreading information that is not supported by any facts and has no logic. In other words, those who try to manipulate the market are to blame, as well as those who spread such information thinking that they are helping others.

It's totally unethical; no but's. It's like saying scamming is okay because the victim didn't educate himself of scams — it's unethical regardless of how dumb the scam is.

If someone spreads FUD with a goal of tanking the price to buy an asset low and later profit from it, that's pretty immoral. And not only immoral, but can also be classified as market manipulation, which is a crime. If someone spreads FUD because they actually believe in it, then it's okay. Aren't many of us here spreading FUD about shitcoins or fiat currency?

If you know it is FUD and you spread it then yes that is unethical. If you believe in the fud and do not know it is fud but think it is the truth then you are not well researched or maybe a fool but not unethical but I think you should have done as much research as possible before echoing what other people are saying.

FUD is perfectly ethical to spread.


Fake news is not.

An example of FUD.

Greenland is melting far faster than expected if it were to melt out in 15 years 10 percent of the worlds land with be under the sea.


Perfectly okay to state above as it fits in with uncertainty and is a true possibility to happen.

So it may not happen which means it is uncertain.

No human unless they can time travel knows if Greenland melts out in under 15 years.
No “.           “.       “.    “.    “.     “.      “.      if Greenland stays fairly frozen for the next 15 years.

So spreading that is fine as it is a true uncertainty.

For instance I may sell my Miami home and buy a cabin in the mountains along with some more btc because I guess the melt out happens.



Lying is different. You are a well known person on social media you say a lie cause you hope to raise or lower the prices of a coin or a stock.

Lets say This which is a lie “SBF cut a deal with Mr V of ETH”

you know it is a lie but you said it hoping to short ETH.

This is truly wrong to do.

As long as you spread an information because you believe that could be true I believe it's ok, because you are acting genuinely, being transparent and having good intentions. That is actually a way to introduce the discussion to more people, so they can reach a conclusion if that really corresponds to the reality or not.

On the other hand, people who have more knowledge about the matter in a level of depth they know the informations aren't real, but keep spreading it maliciously for the pure pleasure of deceiving individuals or for personal gains, are acting in a very unethical way. That is actually a big issue on the internet nowadays. We don't know in what to believe anymore, because there are many fakes or unlikely to be real stories being heavily disseminated.

Actually, spreading news that cannot be proven is clearly not very ethical, but we know that sometimes when we talk about btc, there must be pros and cons. with things like this, of course, everyone can speak according to their own beliefs. We can't forbid what they are doing but on the other hand they can't do anything to ban us either. As long as we stick to this I don't think it's a problem for anything regardless of FUD news or not because basically time can clog their bullshit.

But there are not uncertainties about your example because everything is backed up with science. I do not know the exact figures so do not know if yours are correct but if it is accurate the scientists which have claimed this would be able to back it up. You cannot just say that this is going to happen because then you are just click baiting with worrying headlines. It is not researched and cannot be backed up just like fake news. They are both the same.

From my area of comprehension on the aspect of your point concerning panic towards Bitcoin market and especially been inquisitive of selling out your coins. So i believe that Bitcoin value can skyrocket today and tomorrow it decreases, actually panicking in cryptocurrency space is not good and i believe that many people have to be conscious of the time frame or decision they take in selling off their coins.

Since the market is open for everyone, heck even can be traded across the globe 24x7, I don't consider this kind FUD-spreading as unethical. We really need to be careful on what we read and hear even in this community. We have to digest every bit of it, whether there is some truthfulness on what they say, or it's simply FUD that we can smell it from a far.

So with that, we all have the responsibility, after all it's our hard earn money so we need to be very careful here and not just to blindly trust some posts or some crypto related news online.

We can't say everything is happening ethical. Creating FUD is part of the market movement. Earlier only through FUD the market have been manipulated by the whales. By the time the market is small and now things have changed and so will be the difficulty in manipulation. Nowadays for FUD the market won't respond for a long term as people are well aware to analyse the reality of the incidents connected to manipulate the market. At times it is the FUD that make bullish/bearish move in the market.

People spread fud everywhere. They do it mostly for their personal gain. It’s not only in crypto. Tesla is another good example.

Many Tesla fan boys were like, “Tesla is going to be $1000 a share” and they were spreading fud about the other upcoming EV such as Lucid. Because they wanted people to sell Lucid and only buy Tesla.

When it touched $100 a share. Many were doing nothing but spreading fud comparing it to lower pe auto makers and saying it should be a $30 stock.

Greenland is a worry for sure, but this is a reasonable concern.   The entire country is altering because of the disappearance of glaciers.   Some countries wont exist in a few years because of global sea levels being above the highest point on their island; Netherlands is famously an advanced modern nation facing great challenges in future from undeniable alterations to world weather etc.  These are reasonable concerns that are true so its not FUD as its mentioning the worst possible outcomes; to some this is prudent discussion to be aware of.
 
FUD to me is when people choose to mislead and lie especially in the short term.  People commonly call out the death of celebrities', possibly a company leader or in some cases sports figures (falsely) to alter the betting odds available just before a game.   This is not ethical, in a large extent it could be illegal in some cases.   Its  done in stock trading sometimes to provide spikes is liquidity for trading short positions and so on, this has led to jail terms I believe.  
   Some traders have defended their colleagues stating its commonplace part of the industry not a one of instance so is overly harsh punishment to jail(most instances left unprosecuted), these tactics, FUD or similar are just part of the game.  It will always happen but no its not acceptable practice, normally the people doing it will not use their true identity.

Well, the spread of FUD is one of those factors that intentionally adversely affect, directly or indirectly, the perception of society.  In my opinion that is also a form of unethical behavior.  Although the spread of FUD has many reasons and purposes, its impact is more or less, it is clearly a form of sociocultural unethical behavior.

I also don't think it is unethical to spread FUds, because we often hear that the marketplace is the battlefield and obviously, to win we have to use tactics, and spreading Fuds is the enemy's tactic. Just because we lose because we lack knowledge and fall into the trap of the sharks that we say no conscience to us is not true. To survive on the battlefield, we need to equip ourselves with weapons to deal with the enemy, we cannot wait for the enemy to be kind to us. And so is the market, it's very fierce, so arm yourself with knowledge, and stay awake before all news, and market volatility, making money has never been simple.

FUD is news that is not true, meaning that the news is deliberately made to destroy something that already has a use or value. So it is clear that there is no ethics at all, so it is highly recommended not to believe in any FUD because there are no facts disclosed in the contents of the news. Some people are still very much affected by FUD so they still need to be told that to everyone that there is no need to panic when reading a news story that is not true because it was created intentionally for the purpose of destroying something.

If I tell you that bitcoin will be worthless because all governments are going to ban it tomorrow and I link to a shitty website as the source I could persuade people to panic sell and then lose out on money. This does not benefit me except for pushing the price down if there is a enough people panic selling but by spreading FUD I have caused many people who panic to sell their btc at a loss. How is that not unethical?

Yes. This is clear. Acts of taking advantage, fictitious facts to damage the honor of individuals/businesses/organizations... in terms of material and spiritual values.  That needs to be condemned, ANY ACTION that knowingly fabricates false facts, there is no excuse for such behavior - I think, it is purely unethical behavior.

I consider a deliberate and malicious spread of lies an obnoxious and unethical practice. We can't classify such practice as FUD – Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt because it's certainly not. We know how anything negative raises eyebrows while that which is positive causes excitement. When investors FOMO too (even unnecessarily) noob investors jump on it and buy in fear. Both FUD and FOMO aren't ethical when done with lies. It's either noobs are selling in fear or buying in fear. They never hold their own opinion by themselves. Well, it's a matter of time before they learn too.

Yes, it's unethical. The benefit of doing it I guess is worth it that's why there are article sites doing it. There are no rules that will prevent people from doing it either I guess they are not violating laws too.

But there are seasons when FUD also disappears also. It's kind of a pattern that you might wanna look at. Either Bulls or Bears, they both spread fud.

Obviously it is, due to its meaning. The one who does this are spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt to the public which will then scares them or make them worry and can result for them to sell their coins to those who spread it. It's not the article sites are the ones who does this but maybe some of them are only being paid to post a FUD news.

Sometimes it's hard to resist the temptation especially if you are being paid with huge amounts of sum. I think the times where FUD appears the most is when the market is in bearish mode because people are already weak or fragile during these times so they are very vulnerable to FUD attacks.

When you are dealing up with markets not only limited on crypto but also in forex and stocks then news like this on which fuds and manipulative things are really that very common and there's something we cant

do anything about it but neither would be making yourself that impulsive or would really be just ignoring it because we are already getting used to it.People cant really just avoid not to make out some reaction basing into those news specially if it was negative or too much bear. Unethical on general sense specially for those new media outlets publishing out these news but we do know that they could do whatever they want
for their own benefit or on what they do have in mind and there's nothing we can do for them to stop it on what they've been doing.

If it is fake news they are spreading, then it is definitely unethical. Fake news are lies. Spreading lies is always unethical whatever the goal may be. It is even worse if the motive behind the fake news is greed.

But if it is simply exaggerating the news or blowing them out of proportion, I don't think it is unethical. We can make it appear as if a celebrity's mention of Bitcoin is a big deal even if it is not. But it's not really a big problem I think.

When I post some bearish theory I don't expect to move the market in any way and anyone that isn't crazy should think the same, we cannot move market with some bitcointalk post or twitter post. Perhaps if you are Elon Musk you can pump and dump some smaller marketcap altcoins, but even Elon Musk isn't big enough to sustain a market pump in Bitcoin any shape or form.

It is unethical and there is no way around it, as trying to manipulate the market by spreading misinformation about it is simply not correct and maybe even criminal, however at the same time those actions have become so widespread with the advent of social media there is not much your average investor can do except to keep themselves updated about any events on the market and see through those attempts of manipulation, not an easy task of course but if you are convinced about the nature of the assets in which you invested then it is unlikely you will be manipulated by those lies.

I do agree

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Although whether like it or not fud or fake news will be there till the end of the day, cause Haters is gonna hate and it always like that right

Depends on the idea behind it. I mean if you really think that it will drop, then it is not FUD but saying the facts you think will happen. Of course nobody really knows what is going to happen, but that is the thing we are doing right now and I think it will definitely work in the end. What I want to see however is the fact that we are not going to end up with that much drops, but we will do fine, which means all these FUDs do not matter to me and just plain wrong.

If I can think like that, then why not others? That means it can't be unethical because if you see FUD and you believe them, that is on you and not the person who does the FUD, your responsibility is to think for yourself.

Its not an unethical on general sense but rather a casual thing that whales and big players must do to shake off those weak hands around.They might be doing it on unobvious manner(which is the case) where the public cant be able to point out whether it was really that intended or just a normal situation that happens in the market.

Unethical or not then they dont really care.What matter the most is that they would really be minding off on what are the things that they must do to drop out the market and make out advantages
using up their capability when buying huge and making significant impact and movement throughout the market which it isnt something new.

FUD is not just came from the haters, it can also came from manipulator and that’s why the market will always be volatile because many wants to create panic so they can buy any coin again at a cheaper price. If you see an opportunity like this, better to grab it instead of panicking. Spreading FUD is unethical and its already part of the market, if you have a weak hands and don’t know what to do, expect to lose the money in an instant.

The market is free, and people spread FUD so they can take maximum advantage of the market. Manipulating the market intentionally by spreading FUD is definitely unethical.

Therefore, to trade in the market, traders must pay special attention to which news to believe and which news is FUD. And when a trader trades in the market, he has to keep in mind that various traps will be created to get him out of the market, so he has to systematically avoid all of them and stay in the market.

Part of the 'game' I guess. Some are intentionally doing it because they want to create a wave, wherein profit could be earned by riding on it. FUDs are always expected to assets or anything that is dependent to market or majority of people's demand. Well there are indeed people who became victim of FUDs but if we would look on a deeper perspective, we as investors should be aware of what we are doing in the first place right? So maybe that is their negligence. It is money we are talking about and that is an enough reason to be "extra" on many things. FUDs are either on a positive or negative aspect. It could be fear that the price might increase already so you have to buy in an instant and such. Bottomline is to study your next move to not be caught by such beliefs.

Oh yes this also true that they not came only from haters but still they still contribute and not gonna stop.


I watched youtube recently and there is something that ended up in my brain, sometimes whales, hedge funds, or other institutional traders need more liquidity which is why maybe they creating this.

if you guy traders should check this out too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f19bfHpCths

Let me be the one with a different opinion here.
There are way too many veterans who scream FUD even when a fact is as blue as the sky, it is certain beyond any doubt and they still scream it's not true just because they don't like it and it will hurt the price. There were hundreds who screamed MtGox collapsing was FUD, there were thousands screaming China ban is FUD, LUNA was FUD, FTX going down is FUD!

FUD has become the perfect reply, you don't like it scream FUD! It has become the perfect excuse also, just recently I've read in one topic of an exchange closing and this was their take on it:


Blame everything on FUD, the great crusade against FUD, FUD  the enemy of mankind!

And I'm going to be perfectly honest with this, whenever I see bad news and the first two or three comments are saying this is FUD, if I go deeper and check their history and I see more FUD being mentioned left and right I take a memo of not ever trusting those people judgment, as it's clear they are not doing any of it.

I think it's bad to think about people you are going to say that “you deserve it” and they cannot control it completely. It is definitely something that is not good, but if you know how to ride it and take advantage of that, you can profit from it. Like with the spread of FUD, you can go with the flow and buy at a discount.

Manipulation is unethical. I think everybody can agree on that.

Market manipulation usually requires a lot of influence or money. If you are using your position of power to manipulate the market that is unethical imo. If you are using a news source to manipulate people into thinking something is true when it is not then that is FUD and unethical. 

For me FUD is not plain black and white. So I think you cannot generalize every single FUD as unethical. There are probably still ifs and buts. FUD needs qualifying.

If for example there's a FUD saying the US is about to release an order for all Bitcoin transactions to be banned and all who owns Bitcoin should therefore sell right away or face the risk of being prosecuted, that FUD is a complete lie and is therefore unethical.

But for example there's a FUD saying everybody should sell because the Fed is about to raise the interest rate and the price will most likely fall in reaction, that FUD is not a lie and is therefore not unethical.

I think if you’re spreading misinformation for nefarious reasons like lowering the price of an investment or scaring people away from an investment then that is definitely unethical. If you are genuinely afraid for reasons due to your own ignorance than I could see how expressing your fear is a cry for being educated and not an unethical spreading of misinformation.

In my opinion, spreading FUDs is no longer unethical but a crime. Nowadays it is very easy to spread FUDs because almost everyone has social media like Facebook, Twitter or something else. Of course, FUDs are only carried out in a massive and structured manner. They even pay the media to spread FUDs. Unfortunately the cryptocurrencies community doesn't really care and let the FUDs go, it's appropriate that the perpetrators of spreading FUDs are said to be criminals.

I agree that there are waay too many people screaming FUD when trades do not go their way or they lose money due to their own dumb decisions. Such behaivor is childish and completely foolish. But technically, they are not really spreading FUD but rather they are blaming FUD on their problems when they themselves caused their issues.

Real news, which has not been in any way manipulated or overexaggerated is always most welcome to anyone, veteran or not, but I think there is quite a difference between someone complaining about the news and someone who purposefully engineers his own FUD, using the news as a basis.

For example, whenever Elon Musk tweets a picture of a doge, but does not add any textual context, I instantly see rumors being spread around of his exact intentions. Which are of course, unknown.

But what would the market be like without the Fuds? Have you ever thought about that? We profit from market volatility, and for that volatility, Fuds is a factor in doing it. If we panic and lose because of those Fuds instead of blaming them, then we should blame ourselves for not distinguishing the real from the fake. Fuds and Fomo are two indispensable elements in the market, I think the market will be very boring without either of them.

FUD spreaders are like people who don't have a special job for themselves other than just spending time continuing to create FUD to disgrace certain parties. This is indeed worthy of being called a crime because they deliberately make news to destroy other people or certain innocent parties. It seems true what you said that this year cryptocurrency activists don't really care about FUD anymore and continue to ignore it, so lately price increases in some crypto assets have always been happening on the market.

FUD can be said to be bad of the crypto market because its sole purpose is to break the concentration of traders and investors. Not infrequently this FUD is just made up so that traders and investors panic and the price goes down, and in the end they get the benefits. Even if negative news can be considered as one of the reasons for the price drop, but basically the FUD spreaders are just making it bigger for their own profit.

I do not fully agree that you should ignore FUD while you are trader. FUD often causes losses among traders, especially for day traders. A drop in price can trigger their stop loss, and the realization is that they take the loss.

We should bare up on our minds that even without having some market sentiments around where the market price could really move on its own without having those fuds around.Yes, it does really give out some losses
and disadvantage but we know that it does have its own good side too on which on the time that fuds do really make out some significant effect on market price movement which as a trader or investor
then you do neither be able to go with the flow and make use of those conditions to buy cheap or you would really be doing the opposite.It is really hard to point out on what are the things that
individual would do because we do really have different approach when it comes to this manner.

We can't stop these people no matter what we do but let them do it. Because if we have trust in our invested coins and in the market as well, it won't bother us honestly. But for those who are still in doubt about the market credibility, simple FUDs can make them terrified and panic. I'd see this is how the market works, a lot of FUDs contributed to the volatility of the market and even use as a medium to manipulate the market.
As I've said, if we are too confident about theor investment, there is no need to get bothered, instead to keep hold.

A great trader will take advantage of any opportunity that presents itself regardless of the reason why such an opportunity appeared at all, I think that most of those which have been around this market for years can recognize a great deal of the FUD attempts which are made against bitcoin, and while we can do our part and try to calm down the newbies and the inexpert traders which want to sell their coins, it is not as if FUD does not bring its advantages, as for a very short amount of time it allows you to buy bitcoin for a price you may have thought you will never see again.

Spreading FUD is no different than spreading fake news about cryptocurrency or bitcoin. Those who do that have a reason and we don't know what it is.

That's why when FUD is trending and spreading, the number one thing that is affected is the market because most communities, especially those who don't know much about crypto in short, don't have deep knowledge about it, they panic, especially the investors who have large released investment.

That's why before believing, first learn to research or find out if it has truth or not, it's that simple.

Hmm, I can't really say, I'm more on the side of it being unethical but we all know trading is a competitive market, a zero-sum game. Spreading FUD is one way for other traders to get a one-up from other investors, newbies or not, and profit off of it, so it's actually just one (but probably many) of methods available. Not to mention in the first place, FUD can easily be corrected if research is done properly (though if it wasn't FUD, they may lose out depending on how long they figure out whether it really is FUD or not).

FUD is way more effective when in fact there is a reason for the panic to take place, as an example the China banned bitcoin kind of FUD happened every year, and while at a time it was very powerful it has lost its potency over the years, however when the FTX exchange collapsed FUD was everywhere and it was very effective as the FTX did indeed collapse, the FUD came in the form of fake news assuring other exchanges like binance will collapse as well, something that was never close to happen and yet people at the time believed it.

There is no gray in area in spreading FUD's. It's all black area therefore, it is unethical.
I mean is there a time where spreading a FUD became ethical?

FUD itself is considered unethical, but for me, FUD's is a good thing especially when that FUD really has a great effect on the price of every cryptocurrencies. FUD's = opportunity for us here while for some, FUD is something that they hate.

Overall, people see FUD's differently. There are times that they see it as an ethical way for some reasons and there are some like me who are not. After all, spreading FUD's to the public is a perfect way for the market to be shaken. FUD's for me is a way to remove the weak hands.

Absolutely unethical i agree to that but how about the people who knew well about the crypto market? I think they secretly wish weak hands will bite into the FUD to bring bitcoin price down and they can buy at a cheaper price. All of us here might say the same thing that spreading FUD is unethical but we cannot blame those people who are spreading bad news because there are also people that doesnt do their own research before investing.

Maybe in the eyes of the majority here in the cryptocurrency community, the spread of Fud is not good, but if you look at it from a different angle, you can also see and measure the extent of your knowledge in this industry.

     This is also where we can find out for ourselves whether our knowledge is deep or shallow. And you will also see the different opinions and views of others which one you think is right or wrong.

When you are just still new then these news or simply fuds could easily affect you out on which it would really be ending up for you to be that impulsive towards your investment position on which you might be
selling out because of panic which is really a very common act to be done specially by noobs who hadnt have any experience on this market. FUD is common and also with shills and hypes and this is why its is
really that ideal for you to be wary into these things because neither unethical or not it would really be just giving out on the same impression.
This is why it would be depending on someones knowledge and experience on what are the actions that they would be making for whatever conditions or situations that they might faced on.

But FUD is dangerous I do not want people to test their knowledge and I would prefer if people were intelligent enough to verify sources. I know sometimes we can get emotional and when a headline is attacking btc we sometimes shout FUD when they have good points and have backed up their info but FUD should be called out and frowned on because it can be dangerous. it can lose people money or it can convince people to sell from bogus news. I think Elon Musk said btc was bad for the environment on purpose to manipulate the market and that should not be allowed that should be a criminal offense.  it is unethical to manipulate a market with fake news so you can benefit from it but the news are doing this all the time and I bet some of them are invested in btc when they put out the fud headlines. I wish we could investigate it and check whether there is a conflict of interest when they report fud.

It is not only an ethical issue or not, but rather ethics in conveying public information, even though there are no boundaries that can limit the spread of FUD or FOMO. The awareness to spread news that has no source of certainty is an inappropriate reaction, while spreading news that has a source of certainty is an effort to maintain the continuity of correct information. Journalists have ethics that must be considered in writing news, they usually use the 5W1H pattern.

The elements of truth and subject matter must be paid close attention to, so that published news does not mislead people, but we can never limit the spread of FUD or FOMO, because the rest of the news filter depends on the understanding of the reader in receiving the information.

Spreading FUD for no correct reason, of course, is a very embarrassing action and deserves to be in the criminal category, but we deserve to be happy with bitcoin users who are very strong and do not easily believe in FUDS, so that whatever is spread has no effect, the main key is the power of a strong market so that Making bitcoin can skyrocket when the spread of FUDS is increasingly massive.

IT's as unethical as shilling the coin or manipulating markets while being a whale i guess.

I am guessing that response to your question would depend on your definition of unethical when it comes to markets because one can see the whole trading as unethical.
Prices dropping is a godsend to anyone who has done their research and believe on the coin as they can get it cheaper.
For anyone who is over-invested or is in it for a quick buck, they are losing money for sure. But then again they most likely would be losing it without any fud.

I think people are just focusing too much on "fake" fud spreading and that is why they are so sure about the situation and why they think it is bad.

The reality is that we are talking about a situation that is much worse and there are situations where it is just people who think that it is actually dropping and that's why they are telling it, which is definitely not an easy thing to say because we don't really know if it will go up or not, but the reality is that we are just unsure about it. That is why I believe that we shouldn't be shocked about it and just accept that FUD is not done for a fake fear type of thing all the time, sometimes it's real.

But it's hard to distinguished in the beginning if that the news is fake or real, that is the problem. We have to read between the lines, who are the source, have the crypto news outlet validated it or not?

That's why still on us, to whether believed on it or not, or make our decisions based on that news. So maybe it's unethical, maybe it's not. We don't have control on who is going to read it, or what will be their reaction is.

There are several ways you can do to distinguish whether the information is FUD or not, such as:

• Check the source of the information and make sure that the source is reliable and trustworthy.
• Make sure that the information received has a strong basis and is supported by concrete evidence.
• Don't rush to conclusions and read the full information to understand the context and true meaning.
• Get opinions from various independent and reliable sources to get a better picture.
• Don't be swayed by emotions and strive to make rational, fact-based decisions

Food is one of the tools of the economy. Yes, it's not exactly an ethical tool, but it is a certain incentive for economic decision-making. And food also allows people to develop a sense of equanimity and a tendency to analyze deeply when making decisions. If a person repeatedly steps on the same rake, it is a signal that he needs to change something in himself urgently

You are correct but it is not as easy to check a source sometimes you find a rabbit hole of sources where a lot of them are fake and they are quoting other bad quality sources. A lot of the time these fud machines have many websites they own and they will create similar headlines and similar content and link to each other to try and make their fud look like it is real. A lot of people fall for this because most people do not check the sources but when they do they will only check the linking source and will not look for verifiable information or sources which are known to be trustworthy. Removing emotion is 1 of the hardest things to do when you are invested in something. This feeling increases the more you have invested. It is hard and I do feel for newbies that fall for these traps because it is not their fault. I wish this forum removed FUD to stop newbies getting hurt because I think it is very unethical and should be removed.

Many factors will drive the rise of Bitcoin later in the future, so don't focus too much on one point that is not certain to happen later. the thing you should do is to continue to invest large amounts to still be able to see Bitcoin grow.

FUDs have been massive since 2015, at that time many millionaires in the world continued to urge their governments to ban bitcoin, in China banned bitcoin has been officially enforced since 2017, and the good thing is that this is a free promotion that makes other people interested to know and finally invest bitcoin, there's nothing better for us to do with those FUDs than ignore.

Unreliable sources of FUD usually come from sources with a specific motive, such as marketing or propaganda, or sources that do not have sufficient knowledge and do not verify their information before publishing it. Some examples of unreliable FUD sources include media outlets that have a specific agenda, individuals or groups that have a vested interest in influencing market prices, and websites that are unverified or not reputable. To avoid FUD, it is important to do your research and verify information from reliable sources that have accurate and up-to-date information. Also, it is important not to be unduly influenced by unverifiable opinions or information and to stay focused on verified data and facts.


Sometimes emotions are a serious obstacle when making an investment. If emotions are not controlled, the investment that should get a profit, in the end must get a loss. 

that is not uncertain that is a lie.


1) crypto/btc is not going to be worldwide banned tomorrow.

but if you said that

2) all the governments of the world have the ability to declare crypto/btc illegal over the next 2 years

that is uncertain.

so 1 is not okay to say
2 is okay to say.


part of life is constant uncertain shit happens day after day.

it is okay to talk about it.


The other day I read the earths core stopped spinning then reversed its spin.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/25/world/earth-core-turning-scli-scn-intl/index.html


A) I never heard about this
B) seems interesting
C) I have zero idea if it is a bad thing for us as humans.

D) if I say it means we humans will all die as this means the second coming of christ and the end of times.  I would be lying as I have zero idea if that is true.

E) if I say it scares me and I hope that it won't speed up Greenland from melting So I am selling my beach house moving to the mountains.

I am spreading an uncertain set of  issues that I have about the earths core.

F) the reality for me Is I don't care as either way I will be dead in 50 years or less (I am 66 right now)

It is a fine line between lying and uncertain shit and how you say it.

The spread of FUD will have no effect on the market if there are not many people who believe in the FUD. This is why it's so important not to believe every new piece of news that comes from an unknown source. After all, everyone also doesn't need to immediately consume all the news if they haven't had time to check further on every new news that is available.

The direction you are referring to is a very general direction and very contrary to the FUD issue being discussed. It really isn't just about the larger investment size that everyone should be primarily focused on, but buying more Bitcoins at the time of a correction and then considering it a long-term investment. I think it's a little better than just focusing on buying more for investment, but without considering the current market conditions.

FUD is something that really deserves to be ignored and doesn't even need to be influenced by it if we already know that the content of certain news is not true. Because one day the makers of FUD will also feel bored when the news they produce is no longer valid for consumption by many people and I hope that this can happen as soon as possible this year.

FUDS makes the price high and lows, we can't deny during those times that FUDS is one of the basis how many traders able to trade with high profit since it's easier that time to manipulate the market when you are a whale and you spread news, but now many already learn and there are many ways now that we can fact check or verifies whether the news is true, as we experience more how the market works we happen to just ignore now FUDS and just deal with our plans especially when it comes in altcoins since they are too many we learn now to only focus on coins that we're able to study.

By the way, FuD does not always lead to the result that the fUD initiator expects. There can always be a bigger player who can run his own game and who is interested in the opposite result. Therefore, the fUD initiator can be at a loss.

The best way to continue to see Bitcoin grow in the future, but I'm still wondering whether Bitcoin will undergo a big change with the end of Bitcoin or there will be new Bitcoins that will overlap the old Bitcoins.

Spreading FUD  is a major part of the cryptocurrency industry. Fud moves the market to any direction. Fud makes weak hands to sell. As it is with FUD, it is also like FOMO (Fear of Missing Out).
If FUD, FOMO and other related  things are not in the cryptocurrency market, there won't be profit for traders and institutional investors.
So fud is ethical in the cryptocurrency industry.

On the other hand, the presence of social media has had a negative impact, nowadays anyone can easily spread fake news or FUDs, and if we pay attention, the spread of FUDs to kill cryptocurrencies seems organized, there are even many companies that pay for advertisements in many media for talk shows and reporting on FUDs, of course the spread of FUDs is not only unethical but has entered the criminal category.

I think sometimes fud can be used as a business strategy to get more cheaper price when weaker hands panick and hands off their holding. It may not be unethical in this aspect because it wasn't a threat but a analytical advise open to acceptance or rejection. This is what whales do to get the demand dropping and if demand drop then the price will also fall, it is just a business strategy and not unethical.

Unethical on the sense that it is really that deceiving people but its true and i do agree on what you had said about an analytical advise which could really be neither be accepted or rejected basing up on communities decision and approach with those fuds that had been scattered.
For those people who had been on this market for lots of years then these kind of things turns out to be a part of this market on which lots of issues had been thrown and lots of positivity could really be in involved
which it would really be a mix up of two.
This is what makes things even more harder for you to make out decisions because when we do speak about fundamentals then it isnt always that effective and could be
rejected out most of the time.

as we don't know most of the time the source of this fud spreading, we can assume some are like planted statements from the dev team to gain something from the situation. also, this is where you can test how the holders know how much about the facts of the project. if they are rock solid supporters, they should know about the real status of the project and that will give them a heads up if it is still worth to hold or not.

If we look at the spreaders of FUDs they seem very structured and organized, I'm sure they get paid or sponsored so they look very neat, the best response to these FUDs is to ignore whatever the FUDs are, bitcoin has proven to be a very profitable investment if we hold it for the long term.

If you digest it or think about it, not all of the FUD makers are actually paid for or sponsored by certain circles. Because the creators of FUD are actually people who simply hate Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies so they won't hire anyone else to make FUD as long as they can do it themselves for free. So now anyone can tell the difference between people who like Bitcoin and those who don't like Bitcoin, because it always shows in what they say or do through FUD.

FUD not only created by bitcoin haters, but even bitcoin whales can create FUD and pass it on to various media for their own benefit. Realize it or not but I think that's how they manipulate the market where at one moment they can make traders to panic and sell their asset and at another they can hype the market to make increase the price.

There is no right solution to stop FUD because basically there are several people who can use it for their own benefit, but regarding FUD, traders and investors only need to be responsible for themselves and their assets. Ethical or not, it only depends on yourself in understanding FUD and minimizing trading and investment risks.

I wouldn't even call it FUD when the haters speak, because they are not trying to spread Fear Uncertainty or Doubt.
They are just either bitter or downright laughing at the stupidity of crypto enthustiasts.

Most of the time they don't have enough information to provide any insightful comments and they are only spreading hate.

Some of them are doing that because of envy, some because of the waste of electiricty and enviroment.
Some genuinely see whole crypto scene as one big pyramid scheme or money laundering operation.
Some just don't even bother to learn about it and hope it will pass so they don't have to.

Because "FUD" is originally a propaganda tactic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt) and either is or isn't based on facts, with the only purpose of it is to manipulate prices. Not everything negative is a fud but people exaggerating negative news in hopes of panic are the very definition of FUD.

FUD will not be based on facts, because most of the news that is spread is just nonsense or just rumors that are deliberately made and spread to influence the market price or a targeted coin. This is a manipulation carried out by Some crypto users who have a strong influence on the crypto ecosystem. It's easy to spread FUD and easy to spread the good news.

Everything was planned, the news that was only exaggerated was only for manipulative purposes. It is very unethical if you participate in spreading FUD.
It's best if you are still new to it and don't understand it, read and study it first, then that will stop the spread of FUD.

That is basically what happens most of the time. I mean if you are not a whale but a hater than you do not have the media power to talk bad about it and get it spreading, because you are not famous nor a rich person.

But when you are a whale, meaning you have a lot of money, that means you also have a lot of influence and power over media and you could definitely manipulate the market by saying the worst things possible about bitcoin, make it go down, and then another whale friend would go out and say the nicest things and make it go up and then you would both profit from it at the same time. They already doing that all the time and it's not new.

Not really new and nothing surprising but we know that Fuds could neither be affecting the market or would really be just simply rejected it out.This is why when it comes to fundamentals then it isnt really something

that recommended for you to trust it up 100%.Also, you should make yourself that Fuds are really that manipulative or tending to shake off those weak hands and before this market would make out some huge pump or green candle.This is why you should really be that wise on whether you would be making yourself that affected neither fud or shills or fomo.

These are the primary things that you would really be able to encounter into this market which you should need to make yourself that fully aware.

True, they don't think about ethical or not, the most important thing is that all their interests are achieved by the FUD they are doing. You are right that it is the investors who will really determine the assets here, we do not have a solution that will really work well if the asset holders affected by FUD are spread. Investors just need to be ignorant of the news that discredits bitcoin. Also when there is bad news about bitcoin, don't let us as investors spread it, because that's what FUD makers want. The more the news spreads, the bigger it will be, we don't know how many people will finally believe the news and panic sell.

Spreading FUD is not unethical. It is the nature of the market and FUD is one of the tools to force market move is a certain direction even when not due to move.
The wise people in the market benefit from FUD. Meanwhile fud is also considered a bad tool become it can bring down an honest project. If not that binance is solidly rooted, the FUD spread against it would have brought it down this time.
Yet, the biggest challenge is that the FUD originators benefit from it while the spreaders may be the losers.

It should not be the nature of the market and because it is the nature of the market does not mean it is ethical. Wars are not ethical but they happen. Hacks are not ethical but they happen. Just because something is happening and it is normal does not mean it is ethical. How can spreading false information knowing that it will manipulate a market be ethical? That is the opposite and you can go to jail for fraud. Doing this is fraud and it could be punished if it causes enough damages. Just google hoaxing and fraud and you will see that spreading FUD knowing it is misinformation can land you a criminal record.

You are correct if you see FUD (Fear, Uncertainties and Doubt) from just one side, i.e the negative side. In a real sense the current price of bitcoin as I drop this post is $23,139.60 I want to buy $10k worth of bitcoin but I have fear that bitcoin may not rise above 24k till this month ends. I am also uncertain if the price will drop lower than 23k so that I can gain more bitcoin.
Then I put up a post in my blog of over 2million bitcoiners subscribers and say that bitcoin will crash tomorrow to $10k, then people panic and sell. I then buy lower in price and make a counter post that bitcoin will rise and people begins buying again. This is just how the industry moves and I don't consider it unethical. You that is in the industry should identify FUD when you see one.

Basing up on technical indicators which the price could really be having that strong support on 22k point and if there's a breakout then 18k could really be that possible.We've seen some fuds
and negative fundamentals around which we could really be able to thought that it would make the price make out some huge corrections and price decrease but it didnt.
Making up some -2000ish isnt something that shocking anymore into this market.

It is really just that people do make out some reactions just because we've been long time on moving sideways.The price now is trying to break that 25k price
but it do keeps rejected.

I can't remember if there are any FUDs that have happened this year but if ever there are, I still dont think people will bait on it. Everyone should learned a lot from the past FUDs already. There is no huge corrections but only a minor one right after we touch $25k. I think this was the second correction already.

The first one is when we hit $24k and then the price drops at $22k and $23k level. Even though we already witnessed $20k last year, I think it will be a little shocking if we experience this year because its been a long time since we stay on $22k and $23k levels and if ever the price dips more then its bottom will be $21k only.

Well in the first place,  we have different opinion on your question about OP, some of us here is may believe it is unethical, and others are not.

       And for me, if I understand what is happening here in the Crypto Business Industry field, I would not think that it is unethical, it can even help us actually,  because somehow it can be measured here if we become mature or learned something while we are in the midst of study here in crypto trading business anyway.

Trading in crypto and having it as a side business is nothing wrong to do and what you are expressing here is well worth doing because as one learns to understand whatever is in the crypto space one can trade for monthly profits. Because whether a job is ethical or not is actually only assessed by each individual. But as long as a job doesn't bother many people and can be carried out without involving many parties, I think it's a very ethical thing to do.

Well if you trying to trick someone with your FUD then obviously it is unethical right? It's very close to scamming people to spread negative news on bitcoin when it is untrue or un-dumbfounded. So for me be it's a bad practice, maybe we are in disagreement about it, but that's how I call FUD. And that is the same reason why I don't believed everything that I reach in crypto media or even in youtube or any other social media as they could have some narrative behinds those FUD's, just saying.

It is called market manipulation and if you are invested and intentionally drive prices down by spreading fake news that is a crime in most countries. Elon Musk got accused of it when he bought into Bitcoin and then started back peddling a couple of weeks later some speculate that he is still privately invested in Bitcoin and used Tesla and his Twitter to drive the price down.

Manipulation isnt something new because even if its already that obvious with those whales and big institution who are involved then there's still nothing you can do but to go or ride with the flow.There's no way for us

to determine out on where the price would be heading on because fuds and shills could really happen along the way.Ethical or unethical? It doesnt matter because thats not how people would be treating it out.

Its way been too obvious then what? On this unregulated market and decentralized then there's no way that you could able to determine or even tend to sue out.So as a trader or investor then you should really
that prepared for whatever things that you might encounter along the way which turns out to be normal.

It is intentional and I think it's unethical but this is all about the market and will be winners and losers as much as we can. Those that spread FUD and they've got a passion for what they do, I mean the trades. Only those that are big enough to be believed by people in the community have got what it takes to get successful dissemination of FUD. And we do get it a lot of time and even if the market gets better, they will just stop for a moment and then be back at it again to make the shaky hands sell their holdings. They've learned it somewhere else but they've seen it very doable through bitcoin.

It is better we come to the point, were any unrealistic speculation and in backed data will not be counted, since most fuds lack data to support their claims and they've based their judgement on falsehood, but then only newbies can fall for that since an individual spreading of fuds does not false me to sell my bitcoins.

-Since I am not losing while holding bitcoin and also I lose only when I sell my Bitcoin below the amount I bought it, so I will apply common statistical knowledge and make my decision based on my personal conviction of the market knowing fully well that we can't predict the outcome of the future Bitcoin DCA price.

Elon messed with the cryptocurrency market a lot during that period. Except for the pump of Bitcoin he caused, he also caused a lot of fuss with Dogecoin, which exploded right after his tweets. If he was messing with stocks, he would have been prosecuted now, but cryptos are unregulated, and he's free to do as he pleases. Although his tweets don't have the same manipulation power anymore.

There are a lot of so-called analysts that may spread FUD, some deliberately and some due to their fear. As long as it's not intentional and based purely on their personal opinion and genuine fear, I'm fine with it.

You missed the part with Elon Musk as he manipulated the stock market and caused rapid shifts in the market and once that became a regular thing for Elon, he was charged by SEC for his tweets that had a huge impact on the stock market and then he shifted his focus on the cryptocurrency market where he was successful in causing huge rallies in Doge even the developers did not anticipate :D.

I was also anticipating Doge to pump more during that SNL with Miley. Hustle to da moon and then woop, plunged the next day until the whole year. He literally made it a joke for all and then the Dogecoin millionaire loses his smile. Although he still has a ton of money, I rarely see that guy upload a youtube video since 2021.

There was an interview where Elon actually tried to contact the Doge dev. I'm not sure what happened but sure he also played that guy.

FUD is unethical to long-term holders or anyone who expects the market to be bullish. As a result, FUD has opened up a huge opportunity for any investor to enter the market and catch weak-handed panic sellers, and they will be the ones to profit in the end.

Some people deliberately created FUD so that they could get low price buying opportunity, while some traders failed to understand it and they couldn't avoid panicking.

That's interesting; I had no clue that he had actually manipulated the stock market. That explains why he proceeded to manipulate cryptocurrencies. Since he was already charged once, he couldn't risk repeating the same mistake and thought it'd be fun to mess with Bitcoin and especially with Dogecoin, which was the absolute troll. Unfortunately, many people followed him and potentially lost money, while others may praise him because it was an opportunity that some took advantage of. Even after it dumped, he continued making dumb jokes regarding Doge, such as the potential addition of Dogecoin to purchase a Tesla. I can't remember if he actually implemented it and then revoked it, but he's an absolute internet troll.

It is simple:
If someone spreads FUD, knowing what they are saying it is an exaggeration, then it is unethical, because they are lying and they know they are doing it for an ulterior purpose.

If someone says something which is related to FUD but is not aware about the nature of that information, then it is not unethical, it is plain ignorance.

In the end, spreading FUD to influence other's decision is wrong and that is just another reason why anyone should do their own research and not following some random guru/trader/influencer in social media.

This reminds me an article written by the staff of Binance about FUD, it is a piece any newbie should read and keep in mind whenever they read crypto news on internet.  :)

https://academy.binance.com/en/glossary/fear-uncertainty-and-doubt