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What do you think will happen to crypto if institutional investors all decide to stay away from crypto investment this time around? Do you think crypto can surge of it's own especially Bitcoin without the help of institutional investors money, do not yab me for this question, I am not sure what will happen I only need people's different opinions.

Bitcoin or cryptocurrency value is determined by human need, in case all institutions, and retail investors stay away from it, which means we don't need it anymore, then it will surely die, let alone not increase in price. But this is unlikely because everyone is aware that bitcoin is a precious asset, and its value will continue to increase sharply in the future. So if someone sells all of their bitcoins, there will always be someone willing to buy them all back.

This has never happened in the history of modern day capitalism and I doubt they'll start now.

If all institutional investors do stay away from cryptocurrency though, it'll still end up doing as it would before. Most of the prices are set by the market (retail) and institutions buy around that price in private dealings - if there's less institutions to buy, there might be more demand from the sell side on the markets which could temporarily stunt growth but then the same lack of selling will happen as people expect the prices to go higher anyway/later.

If large investors sell their assets at the same time, then the market will undoubtedly react, but after a while it will grow again as demand will continue and prices will be very attractive for many users.In fact, this is a very good question and it is difficult to imagine what would happen in this situation.I think large exchanges would become the strongest players in the market and could completely manipulate the price.

Yes, if that happens, it will definitely make a movement in the market, especially if they have a large number of bitcoins. But the situation will be the same as a bear market in my opinion, and it will only take time for bitcoin to climb again.
If we look, from time to time more and more people are interested in bitcoin, so if bitcoin loses the big investors from the institutions that the OP said, then I really believe that bitcoin will find other big investors again.

The only reason this woluld happen, would be regulations that make it either unprofitable or illegal. However, due to the many different zones of legislations in the world this will not happen mutually all around the globe.
If there is a monetary incentive to do so, institutional investors, including governments, will continue to invest in crypto and especially Bitcoin. That's just a given in open markets.

Institutional investors are responsible for bringing big money to crypto market, boosting the bull runs' results to the moon. Without them, crypto doesn't have the same potential of prices' increasement on short run, although on long run, with or without institutional investors bitcoin and its altcoins pairs are going to do well anyway, as organic adoption keeps increasing day by day slowly, but surely.

It sure does grow over time since Bitcoin has a halving cycle every 4 years but if what OP meant to say this time around then it won't make a huge moving price since they aren't investing and the only explanation will be this price movement we have seen for a year will be the movement of the market not that stagnant but constant.

But if OP meant to say was if institutional investors would get out of the market this time around then expect that there's a huge drop of the price but just like what I said, over time the price will slowly recover from the bottom.

bitcoin will continue to run without investors because they certainly still have a community that believes that bitcoin has a high value compared to other investments, after all it's hard to happen in fact many new investors for crypto all the time

That is what they did last year lefting the market, so we saw a deep crash in BTC price to 16,000$. Those institutional investors are also heavy speculators, so they must have thought the impact of their departure from crypto market would be even deeper, but thankfully it wasn't and long term investors were able to hold the price considerably. Good news is that each new cycle the influence of institutional investors is decreasing more yet.

At some point their influence must be tied with the dominance of every other average investors united focused on long term goals, what could balance volatility to more stable levels.

First the only reason I understood the word YAB is because i may be for the same country as you or neighboring countries. But I would first advise you to use pure English when in other board that’s not local board.

Well firstly your intuition or imagination won’t work. There won’t be a time that would happen and bitcoin has uses that’s not all about investment but if I am to be honest the amount of investors of all kind are more than the amount of crypto-currency enthusiast so yes it would be catastrophic if that happens in Crypto-currency.

Well you need to go back in charts where there wasn't institutional investors. That's what would happen, although back then many individuals were buying because everyone knew institutional investors were coming in any time. I feel like many of them enjoyed dumping at institutions later on.
 
There are of course ton of more individuals now but i can't see prices being anywhere near here without real players. And then there's the reason WHY would they leave. Because that reason would most likely be more catastrophic then result of them leaving.

yes, it can survive as long as there are people who are interested in this market. doubt the market if no one is interested anymore like no one is talking in social media or any other platform. but til then, expect that btc market will survive. investors won't go in this market if they are not seeing its potential in the future. but as long as they believe there's something in it for them, they will continue to support this market.

There is indeed a decline in the number of traditional investors, including institutional investors. In fact, this was not noticed in the first place because there is a demand for bitcoin from everyone, not only from the investing institutions, and if someone gave up his investment in bitcoin, he will certainly sell it to someone who needs it.
https://www.coindesk.com/powered-by-consensus/ftx-collapse-crypto-investors-retreat/
There are great concerns about the continuation of the crisis caused by the collapse of both the Luna network and the Ftx platform. Some of these concerns were expressed by one of the analysts of the MtGox platform, assuming that the price of Bitcoin will drop to $13,000 by the summer.
https://news.bitcoin.com/jpmorgan-expects-crypto-market-to-face-weeks-of-deleveraging-warns-bitcoin-price-could-drop-to-13k/
The mere fact that such statements are issued is capable of influencing the course of investment institutions, especially since MtGox is also an investment institution.

If the institutional investors decides to opt out of the cryptocurrency market, it’ll definitely affect the price of the cryptocurrencies as they play a big role in price change in the market. Sooner or later, the price will rise back but not at the expense of the so called investors again but the big players who would be the big exchanges. The government can only have an effect in the price change if the use of cryptocurrency is been regularized by them, but without that, exchanges become the main focus to affect the price change of the cryptocurrencies prices henceforth. This has never happen in a world full of transitional process and new inventions, bitcoin potential amongst other cryptocurrencies is very clear, I don’t see the institutional investors leaving it for anything now again.

No it can't go anywhere if institutional investors will back off and the one who remains are the small fish. Bitcoin move base on demand so if there's less demand for it so maybe we cannot move faster as we can see it happening these days.

But this scenario like institutional investor leaving will not happen because you know people where they can benefit they are in and bitcoin gain more and more huge popularity so for sure they will stick with it then it can also gather more other investor since hype is on bitcoin side especially it gather more attention coming from the media.

There is no way I can trust the news that institutional investors won't be interested. I will believe that it is a distraction and a deception. It has taken a lot of time for them to build up to the next bull market, and they have so much time to do so. The market's response to Elon Musk's tweets in the last bull run sparked his interest in Twitter, and he made a big profit in a short time. In addition to gaming and web3, Facebook has many other establishments that they are interested in. There is so much to be said about Jack Dorsey as well.

A large portion of its value will be lost obviously, but if the miners still continue mining and a lot of people still believe in it, then it will survive. Institutional investors came in late to the party, and even back in 2013 we managed to get to a thousand simply because people who believe in the project with some money on their pockets decided to speculate and bet on bitcoin.

Institutional investors aren't the grim reapers of crypto. If they leave, we still have the community and the miners to continue its price action.

It would be very possible for cryptocurrencies to develop slowly and even stagnate without significant price growth if institutional investors stay away from the crypto space and stop investing in crypto. A very simple example for this is when there are many people who used to use a product for certain needs in their lives, then the price of the product will obviously experience an increase in price and better development.

But when a product starts to be abandoned by many of its users at a certain time, the development of the product and its price will not experience any more significant changes and even the product will no longer be produced because the demand for it has begun to decrease. Likewise with crypto when users such as investors start to distance themselves from crypto investments, there will not be many cryptos that get better development. So in my opinion, I hope you are enlightened.

It won't happen, institutional investor wants to make money always. If the existing ones decide to move to some other markets there will be definitely new ones which will decide to trade this market. So this will be a never ending circle. Big or smart money will always be there in every market and will be a major reason for market cycles. And even if it decides to part ways I think the next big guns will realise the vaccum and decide to make cartels of their own to manipulate market. So this smart money will always stay.

Ultimately its the people not companies that matter most.  I think if large investors stay away we move slower but thats not a cap to progress ultimately only the pace will be slower, also consider that some operators can be a burden even obstructive and sometimes its better if we stick more organic growth then dollar rich investors.   
  People who want to invest, profit and sell all in a couple years aren't often half as productive as someone who is around for years to come in good and bad markets.  BTC always has its lull and sell off so thats the only person and operator who matters in the end, the long term involved and interested.

Yeah, I think Bitcoin can do well without institutional investors, but I doubt it is as expensive as it is right now without them. Without those companies buying Bitcoin in bulk, the price wouldn't have shot really high. Institutions can pour huge amounts as hundreds of millions or even a billion dollars into Bitcoin. Those amounts are hard to hit with retail buyers alone, especially considering how low Bitcoin adoption still is around the world. But it can very well thrive without them.  

But what are the reasons institutional investors are going to get out of crypto? in fact they earn more profit in crypto and continue to maintain their holdings in crypto. If they leave, nothing will change. there are still many other investors who will enter. Bitcoin is a popular digital currency that has many investors, and of course there will be many who support bitcoin in the future. When full adoption takes place, bitcoin will become more popular and more new investors will come in. So no need to worry about it

Anyone who yab you for asking questions you know nothing about has a low IQ, nobody, I repeat, nobody is an island of knowledge and that's why we are all here, this is why the forum is here for everyone to learn and share knowledge.
Now back to your question, first you should know that institutional investors wouldn't live bitcoin, you know why? they don't take their eye from anywhere they can see profit, they all have a margin position open at lower prices of bitcoin and they are also holding some BTC as part of their risk management investments. However, if they choose to live, we may suffer some decline in price but it will be an advantage in the long run for people and more room for decentralization.

It's true Bitcoin is a promising coin and very worthy for long term investment,
so indeed we don't need to worry if investors leave us because there are still many investors who believe in Bitcoin,
we never know what the future will be like and it is not impossible that Bitcoin will be able to develop even further.

I can't find the percentage of institutional investors in Bitcoin, but the result on Google is roughly 50%, so it is really huge, and if they sell off, then it would decrease the price. Though I am not sure of the data, I think it is impossible for them to sell off or stay away from bitcoin as it plays a big factor for them. Also, for sure, those institutional investors are not of the same mind, so mostly there are only a few of them if they want to do this.

Yes, bitcoin can remain ever valuable and cherished without any institution, this is one of the ways to proof to you that bitcoin is actually a decentralized network and currency, it does bot rely on anyone, be it person or place to create value, as long as it maintain it protocols that guide the network people will always key into it adoption and invest because what triggered them from the first instance is the financial freedom from this institutional bodies.

If many people are still using crypto, especially bitcoin, crypto will keep going and maybe even jump higher. But the thinking of institutional investors is how they can get a bigger profit from any source and I doubt they will leave crypto, especially for those who have felt the benefits of crypto so far. They will continue to invest in crypto and look for more opportunities to make even bigger profits.

Nothing will happen, because bitcoin never raised any funds in the beginning to promote the project, it was backed and supported by the community and institutional investors where never there from the beginning, they don't believe in what Bitcoin is all about, I think altcoins will be affected without the help of this so called institutional investors but not Bitcoin.

True, they need a good reason why they should leave bitcoin. And even if they leave bitcoin I think it will be temporary and eventually they will come back to invest in bitcoin. Now I even see the opposite, not that they are exiting bitcoin, but many are coming in to join and become bitcoin investors.
Those who already feel the advantages when they are in bitcoin, it will be difficult for them to leave bitcoin because they know what the advantages are.

That would ultimately be a good thing. Institutional investors do not seek to stay involved with bitcoin for a long time. They don't plan to use it as a day to day, peer to peer alternative currency as it is intended. They intend to profit. If they buy low, they will sell high. They will not buy and use it within the ecosystem. That's why so many bitcoin-on-paper options have been created away from spot markets. No institutions = good for bitcoin.

I don't think that will happen and all institutional investors will be willing not to touch bitcoin. They are all driven by greed and there will always be those who invest in btc among them. Why? Because bitcoin has shown insane returns that they won't turn down for anything.

That psychological barrier when institutional investors stayed away from btc has been overcome and having tried these opportunities, they will no longer be able to turn back.

Even if we simulate a situation where there are no institutional investors, bitcoin's price will still grow. Not as fast, but it will. Because there are a lot of people who are willing and able to buy btc in the world. Each purchase will push the price up little by little.

At first this might be very difficult to happen, and even if it happens then I will say those who have been wanting it at a platter of Gold will utilize the opportunities and bag it up, mainwhile bitcoin is too exposed to experience such a tremendous rejection. But one thing certain is that if everyone decides to pull out their investment from the crypto market then there will be no liquidity to keep it afloat and automatically it became worthless. However, this will never happen because bitcoin has grown over that stage of difficulties.

The institutional investors move the market, I'll not actually know what will be the fate of the market but I do think that the market price will be stabled and no much volatility which will of course be a disadvantage to the traders but may encourage adoption of bitcoin since the price will be somewhat stable.
I don't know if any other person is thinking my way.

You mean you can't find the exact data? Well, I think that's normal and all that we see in the web are only just an estimation but they are still close to the exact number so they can still be reliable. 50 percent is huge. I expect something lesser than this because I believe that institutional investors prefer a traditional investment instrument such as stocks and these kinds of assets are also more legal that in Bitcoin.

Many of them might sell off once the bull market returns but I think you are right that they won't sell all together as some has a higher standards the other. Even without their help, a normal individual can still invest continuously so BTC price can always rise.

Remember that bitcoin is still under development and it will continue. Bitcoin will be a promising Trillion Dollar digital money market in the future. Old investors leave and more new investors will enter. There is nothing to lose if you make a long term investment. who leaves bitcoin today then he will regret it later when Bitcoin reach new ATH.

If institutional investors decided to stay away from crypto then there will be a temporary negative impact on the cryptocurrency market.  The growth of crypto industry is not only driven by institutional investors.  There are still lots of factors that affect the growth of the crypto market.  To mention some, they are:

1.  Retail investors
2.  Technological innovation
3.  Government regulation
4.  Economic condition
5.  Media coverage
6.  Partnership and collaboration

There are lots more factors that can bring new people towards the Bitcoin industry so I believe institutional investors is just a small percentage of the pie if cryptocurrency had achieved a full-blown adoption.

Questions that are probable will of course produce answers with probabilities.
If all institutional investors leave crypto, it is likely that investors from certain parties, both governments and individuals, will invest. It's just that at this time many parties are still considering not investing because they are unable to control the crypto value played by certain investors.
I think one day everyone will come in to invest in crypto, not leave it.

I suppose the price will still go up but it will not be as dramatic as we are used to, the halving will keep happening and this will decrease the amount of bitcoin miners get, and regardless of how efficient they can get miners still incur high costs and they will not sell for a loss, if anything this slower growth will be more healthy for bitcoin because it would encourage regular people to invest in it now its movements are not as abrupt, compensating a little bit for the loss of institutional investors.

It relies on everyone, and that's a bit different than relying on someone. It is not relying on "no one", that would mean that we do not matter, but we do, but we matter in a much larger capacity, there is no single person that could make it work, it's basically everyone at the same time and that's an important thing, because it means that we all matter at the same time in the same way.

However, we need to also realize that we are herded a bit as well whenever big names do something. Like look at ethereum and proof of stake, everyone talked about how great it was, and we believed, but how many really knew how well it would work? It was just said to be good and that's it, nothing more.

To my knowledge it won't affect the bitcoins of the bitcoin network and bitcoin utility in general, however price wise it will probably be greatly affected as as one might see many institutions are investing in bitcoin and crypto. Maybe that will be affected when it happens as you said in terms of price in my opinion the most affected. Likewise with other cryptocurrencies in terms of network and utility, they may not be affected, but in terms of price, they will be overwhelmed to carry out services and operations.

I don't see why that would happen, but let's imagine that no new institutional investments get poured into Bitcoin. Even if that's true, there are plenty of regular people who can get interested, as well as owners of small businesses, individual traders, etc. There was hope that institutional investors would bring more stability to Bitcoin's price because they won't panic sell like the regular people. Then Tesla pulled out of Bitcoin, showing that there isn't much of a difference, really. I don't think we need institutional investors for Bitcoin to recover and to grow, given the small percentage of the population who currently use Bitcoin and thus a lot of potential for further adoption.

it's definitely going to have a big impact if institutional investors get out of crypto because as you said they have enough cash to buy bitcoin and that could influence the market to go up significantly. However, it is impossible to get out of crypto because logically, from year to year, institutional investors reap quite fantastic profits from the investments they make.

we have passed a crucial stage in the last year which resulted in a pretty chaotic market situation, but is there any news saying institutional investors are leaving because of course not, a strong reason because they know today modern era is a crazy thing to make money in business cryptocurrencies.

Do you think it will be possible to convince all the institutions around the world to take a decision of not getting into crypto investments at leave for this year? I don't think it will be possible to convince at least one country's all institutions. It might be possible only in North Korea and China but no where else in this world.

If there would be any severe tread of falling down from the side of bitcoin investment then people will stay away from bitcoin and not just institutions. Such threads has not arrived in last 14 years hence why we need to worry about institutions to stary away from bitcoins. They will keep adapting bitcoin and bitcoin will keep moving toward starts for sure. No changes in it unless otherwise we get any bad news which is bigger than pandemic.

There is a market demand for everything and the price is determined by the demand from people, not just for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Consequently, if people stop buying something one day, the price of that asset can fall to a lower level so that there will still be demand from people. However, if there is still no demand from buyers, then the price will still fall to the lower level, and so the story continues. There is no limit to what can be said about bitcoin, there is also the same thing with all assets and products around the world.

Your opinions are welcome, we are all here to learn from each other and get updates about what is happening in the world. If your are confused about a particular thing, you can ask questions here but it will be wise if you can take a look on Google for answers on your own. If you are not satisfied with what you have seen then you can humbly ask here for further clarification or opinions.

If institutional investors which are the whales we are talking about eventually leaves the crypto market, whether for altcoins or Bitcoin, the market will suddenly crash because the movement of price is based on demand and supply. Maybe you can try compare the two by using demand and supply slop.

 The rate of input will determine the (T)Supply.

Input is proportional to the (T)Supply, just like

Increase in the input = Increase in Supply; Bull market leading to Increase in price of Bitcoin/Altcoins

Decrease in Input = Decrease in Supply; Bear market leading to decrease in price of Bitcoin/Altcoins

Institutions are a big chunk of investors and that would simply kill the potential for a massive adoption of this technology. But I doubt such thing will result to collapse in this industry. Individual investors are still here which serves as its community. If we would base from the past, institutions are in the first place not accepting cryptocurrency as a mode of payment but here we are, still growing in different aspects; people, countries, platforms. Also, it is solely dependent to institutions whether they would come in line with this technology and we cannot blame them if they chose not to. Institutions are into business also, so if they'd see something from this industry, they will be needing to adopt someday as long as they'd get something from doing so. Thus, we just all have to be patient for that.

I would argue that the explanation is a bit more complex than that! ;)

Bitcoin could still be traded even if nobody needs it. When the tulip bubble popped in the Netherlands, everyone asked themselves why the tulips were traded in the first place. Did anyone need tulips?

I guess any "thing" out there that is expected to increase in price (not necessarily value) for rational or irrational reasons will still attract some interest.

The interesting part about OP's question is that it doesn't matter whether institutions need it or not. If anyone at a scale large enough needs it, institutions will also get in. The same counts for the other way around. If Bitcoin one day became the major tool for institutional transfers, retailers would also have a good reason to get in.

Analysis of behavioral economics can be extremely interesting at times. Even if you are the only person with 100% correct information, which is telling you that Bitcoin will die in July 2024, it could still be the right move financially if you expect another bull run based on false assumptions by the masses. I am not talking about morals here, just the financial aspect.

With all that being said, I believe that by now the skin in the game concerning institutions is already significant. They won't just leave the space and also, a big advantage of this type of technology is the innovative potential due to being an open system / open source and scalable in many ways.

Indeed, not much has changed when Tesla started withdrawing from bitcoin. The market continues to return to normal conditions. Tesla has stated that they will stop accepting Bitcoin payments due to concerns about the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining. Tesla also stated that they will keep the Bitcoin they own and may consider re-using it in the future if Bitcoin mining technology becomes more environmentally friendly.

The population of bitcoin users is increasing and spreading in all circles, so there will be many opportunities for bitcoin to achieve even adoption. Bitcoin is still developing and still needs the support of all parties.

the fate of altcoins will definitely be completely destroyed but for bitcoin it is different. bitcoin is a decentralized asset and the amount cannot be manipulated, as long as someone is holding it, there is no need to worry about bitcoin going to zero even though all institutional investors are selling their bitcoin.

Institutional investors are not responsible for carrying lots of money and moving the market, but they are simply planning to buy in large quantities where the high demand factor will naturally make the price go up. In the meantime, I don't think institutional investors will be leaving the industry as they are starting to realize that bitcoin is good store of value asset instead of fiat. They may need to balance their balance sheet, and at some stage they may also sell it.

I don't think there is any higher form of concern than bitcoin holders about those institutional investors, and in fact we keep hearing that adoption is increasing day by day and in the end it will convince investors to continue to exist in this industry.

Definitely. Even without them, the market can continue to thrive. We can just look at the early days when almost no institutional investor was interested in buying any amount of bitcoin. But did it stop? No. The way that the institutional investors are doing it, they really are a big help but it doesn't mean that the market will always be reliant on them. So, even without their help, that only means that the market alone will survive and that's for real. Although we want them to be part of this market so that it will be quicker for its growth or they'll eventually join because on how they're going to see things with bitcoin.

If such situation should eventually come to play then by economical law it will deeply affect the value of bitcoin although it won't crash it cause there are other investors in bitcoin like you and me only that out investment is not that deep in amount like theirs, so there will be some staggering devaluation but am not sure any capitalist(s) in a global capitalist economy of today will want to think of making such irrational decision just take prove their stronghold on an asset like bitcoin.

First I'd like to point out that it's impossible as institutional investors always invest in stocks, commodities etc which bring them most profit. As Bitcoin can be profitable, it's protected against inflation etc they will invest. Without any doubt.

But if institutional investors were to dump Bitcoin, it wouldn't have changed anything - countries, retail investors etc would still HODL. Lots of people would actually BUY Bitcoin in case such a black swan event would happen. If 2017 ATH happened thanks to retail investors, 2021 ATH thanks to institutional investors, 2024 ATH will be caused by nations and countries buying Bitcoin.  8)

Institutional investors still has a role to play in the crypto space. It will have some effect on the market but if direct investor never lose interest in the coin, it will still help in improving the coin.

whatever will happen in the future, if big investors stay away from bitcoin this could lead to a very sharp drop in price, if investors release all their assets
and it will be normal if they keep their assets where there will be many newcomers to crypto and want to keep it. the transaction will continue even though the price will not move fast

Although it is impossible that all investors will stay away, this means that the crypto market is in trouble and a big problem. For, it will influence the market cap, trading volume, and also demand and supply of the crypto. But, what kind of crypto? All crypto or only certain cryptos? If it is certain crypto, it has been happening to the altcoins, mostly shitcoins that have no volume and liquidity again in the market. The result is that those shitcoins will be dead. However, if this is about Bitcoin, I am not sure this will happen.

agree. It is impossible to happen. However and no matter how strong they are, they will not be able to do that because the crypto world is complex and they need all lines to reject and bring down crypto. And it's going to be hard to happen because it involves a lot of people from all countries around the world.

If bitcoin or cryptocurrency is for the institutional investors and for the corporates, then what you said could happen. The reality is different, cryptocurrency is for everyone and for every level of people. Maybe the institutional investments altogether can contribute big and give them power to make disturbance. To what extent this will happen, beyond some point the market will not react as it have dependence over each and everyone and not on something particular.

That will be the real case to happen especially if those institutional investors have huge influence on social media for sure their announcement of departure will give big effect of bitcoin and might we will see huge number of people including lowbies will go out in the ecosystem. But this is almost impossible to happen since we know bitcoin gather a reputation has a place on financing system so maybe we can see this to continue and more country will adopt it.

I think the better question is,
Is cryptocurrency or bitcoin should I single that out, I it dependent on institutional investors or should I say the whales?

I think the answer would be very much no and if that be it then, we really ought not to be discussing this. Surely, institutional investors have got there influences in the sentiments that they create and bring to the market but that too is based on individual perception of the message they've received.

Before they started hodling large amounts, some of them tested the shores with as little as they could afford to lose and later went big. There are those who came in big as well but, they kept adding over time. Them backing out won't stop investors from investing. It would only mean a bearish session that would be later accompanied by the bulls.

If the institutional investors pull out thier funds at the same time, it will result in a very negative market movement since the demand for Bitcoin is being pulled out, thus a collapse is imminent.  But good thing is, it will be temporary because Bitcoin does not only rely on institutional investors.  there are many other factors that can contribute to the market price of Bitcoin.  Most of it is from an individual demand.  Also the development of technology behind Bitcoin can also serve as interesting factor to make people interested and eventually participate in the bitcoin economy.

This mean that Bitcoin will not die even if the institutional investors ad corporate pulled out their support.

Investors come because the base market and the potential growth for that market is larger then they are.  The whole sector or any asset speculation possible can become over played if too many are chasing too few gains possible, some of it is time, development but also the natural propagation of usage across populations globally.  We know in some countries its about technology and infrastructure usage, even electricity infrastructure can be a limitation in non city areas I imagine that is still regularly a dynamic as a country grows.
   Investors arent the primary cause for any market, they need BTC and are benefitting more then we are from their external involvement though both parties should improve progress none of it is for certain and risk vs growth returns is always in question with waves of confidence on those returns.

currently bitcoin is increasingly recognized by the public and from their belief they admit that bitcoin is a very profitable investment tool for the future, so it can be said that bitcoin is needed not only for institutional companies, but more and more individuals will use it, so that if bitcoin adoption continues , so even if institutional companies leave the crypto world, then I don't think that will be a problem and that means it will make the movement of bitcoin independent of some institutions

This is related to the market capitalization system, where the process of supply and demand will be directly related to the course of crypto or bitcoin, without investors and without purchases that occur for bitcoin will not have a stable value in the market. The process of demand and supply plays an important role, because this relationship also cannot be ignored that occurs in the market, so that many other processes also influence it.

But I don't think institutional investors will stay away from investing in bitcoin, because actually they are also speculators looking for opportunities, so they are waiting for the right time to get into the market and trying to play the right tempo. This relationship is often used by institutional investors in playing the supply and demand process.

Bitcoin will not die if major institutions pull out of the market, but if that happens, it will be a huge blow to bitcoin, and I believe confidence in bitcoin will be shaken from there. Retail investors will not be strong enough to sustain bitcoin's momentum. Don't forget that the rise of bitcoin in recent years is due to huge donations from large companies and institutions that believe in bitcoin. In 2017 bitcoin was nothing and mainly a game of retail investors, 2021 is a game with the participation of countries and organizations, and the difference is noticeable.

   -   If we talk about reality now, it is still unclear what will happen in this era. Even when it was bearish, the percentage of investors with interest in cryptocurrency and bitcoin continued to increase. How much more so now that we are about to enter the bull run?

Of course, we're just talking about the truth mate, so that's just simple logic, if no one buys the product, the business will lose money and collapse, that's how simple it is.

It'd drop ofc. We can't exactly remove the influence that the institutional investors have in the current market, if they pulled out, there'd naturally be a reaction to the market, a negative one to be exact. But it should naturally die down since the market would naturally adjust itself to balance the demand/supply in the long run. Bitcoin surging still remains in question then, I still think it'd do, but it'd probably be slower in consideration of institutional investors not entering the market anymore (which is impossible I think, but just for the sake of OP's scenario ig).

The price of a cryptocurrency depends entirely on the balance of supply and demand. Therefore, if demand falls or a significant part of investors sell their cryptocurrency assets, this will negatively affect the market. But this is hardly worth worrying about now. After the coronavirus, natural disasters and wars, the economic situation in the world continues to deteriorate, inflation increases, and interest in cryptocurrency increases.

I am guessing before the 2017 ATH we did not really hear how much the institutional investors were involved in the level that Bitcoin went. I think it was after that 2017 ATH that we started noticing all these institutions paying attention to Bitcoin investment and if that should change for any reason I believe Bitcoin will still hold its own as before and as long as there is still demand for Bitcoin by every other individual as before, it will continue on its trajectory but may be slower however, I don't think anyone even the institutions are willing to step out of Bitcoin investment now.

The future of Bitcoin will continue to improve if over time there are more individuals who like Bitcoin and want to use Bitcoin for investment or other things such as trading. Because when an asset becomes more popular among everyone like Bitcoin, of course large companies will also be happy to use it. As well as certain other parties will also follow because they always see what assets are liked by many people so they will also adopt them as used by many people.

A different effect for Bitcoin when institutional companies withdraw from Bitcoin must be there, because companies that always have a lot of money buying Bitcoin, of course, are able to provide a very good effect for Bitcoin. But price drop on a very large scale is something that will obviously happen if there are many institutional companies that no longer hold Bitcoin even though Bitcoin is still alive and kicking again over time with free investors or with investors as you say. But the time that must be taken by Bitcoin to increase again without the big companies in it will certainly be very long.

I'm thinking of a reason why institutional investors will decide to stay away from crypto, but I can't think of any.

I mean they can earn from it so why stay away from it? That's pure stupidity if they will just stay away from something that they know they can make money from it. So to answer your question, I'm pretty sure it will not happen but if does happen (theoretically), more and more retail investors will have a chance to get more Bitcoins. We will see price of Bitcoin drop, but it will go up again as it is what's always happening.

Let's be realistic here. There's no way that they will not stay away from crypto market right? Is there any reason for them to go away?

It's just an assumption, it would never have happened even without the black swan event you mentioned because everyone saw the potential that bitcoin has to offer them. Bitcoin exists to this day because bitcoin provides the needs that we are in need of, and making a profit is the biggest concern. Nobody doesn't want to make a lot of money, and bitcoin is doing it very well, just 14 years of existence, bitcoin has increased by tens of thousands of percent, it can be said that no asset has ever done that.

It's okay if institutional investors leave or stay away from crypto investments because many people still want to join crypto investments. But it might make the market panic and think that this is the end of crypto, which it is not because people with a lot of money will see this opportunity and start buying bitcoins in large quantities. At that time, the price will drop drastically so that people with a lot of money can buy bitcoin at a big discount. And after the price correction is complete, bitcoin will go up and maybe even higher. And, of course, institutional investors will be disappointed that they have stepped away from crypto.

I want to say that institutional investors are actually bad for Bitcoin in the long run, because they hurt Bitcoin's ability to be a stable currency. You have to remember that institutional investors are pumping large amounts of money into Bitcoin for speculation... and when there are the slightest signs of trouble... they start to dump..and that causes panic and many people follow their actions.

This is why we are seeing such wild fluctuations in the price and this are causing extreme volatility. We, the supporter of Bitcoin being used as a currency and also retailers ...want a stable price... but institutional investors are sabotaging this.. by chasing huge profits.  ::)

So what do you think is the best way to make bad things happen, do you have any good suggestions going forward? let's see what happens next with all of this going forward. I also have another hunch about all of this.

I think that if we are ever going to get back to the 60k range, then  we are going to need institutional money to take bitcoin back up to those all time high areas.  I don't think it's possible personally without big business backing it up.  I think it's entirely possible to continue to grow with out much of it , as it is now..but that will only take us so far. 

The good think is bitcoin is still good for institutions and as long as that doesn't change, they are going to be focusing in on it in some capacity.

Since it was first introduced until now no one can predict with certainty when the price of Bitcoin will rise and fall. If demand continues to increase, it is likely that the price of Bitcoin will rise and vice versa. usually an increase in the price of Bitcoin does not occur immediately, before the Bullish phase it always starts with a correction first. When a correction occurs, demand will increase to take advantage of the moment the Bitcoin price is falling.

Institutional investor always means a lot of money in the market that is usually invested with the purpose to achieve short term profits. If these short term profits are not coming than the big investors can withdraw their money very quickly again. That is why we should be careful when trusting institutional investor to save us. In case all of the institutional investors would leave the crypto markets at the same time then prices would be crashing. For a few weeks it would be look like armageddon before prices would find a new normal level. We have enough normal investors in the crypto community that are holding their coins for the long run, so this wouldn't mean the end of crypto currencies. The real question is of course how likely would such an event be. I don't think it's very likely that all the institutional investors would leave the cpryto markets at the same time.

As investors, we shouldn't rely too much on that investing in bitcoin will always be profitable, if we take an investment that has a large profit opportunity, the risk of loss is also large, most people sell assets or are in debt for bitcoin investment and when they see the facts that are happening, namely the market is dropping, they stress and sell bitcoin at a loss, of course we must always be realistic and don't expect too much.

There is already institutional money involved. It doesn't matter which companies will get in brand new or if they will at all, it only matters for the ones that already does it. Some of them sold, because it is low, but they do have departments that take care of these type of things and I bet that they are going to have it again when it starts to go up, and there are some that trade it everyday and will have more of it, and some that like it like Tesla and may end up buying again.

So all in all, we already have so many that are involved and interested, and they will do it again and they will make it bigger too. We just need to wait for them to get back in.

I think Bitcoin will exist without institutional investors, on-demand adoption created by the free market will determine the value of bitcoin.  Of course, they (institutional investors...) have seen what is a great opportunity, they will not give up the goal that they represent that source of money.  Bitcoin has always produced the power they have always coveted, rallying around 40% in January, and that bull run ignited institutional investors.  There will be no “if” only if they find bitcoin too attractive.

If you're to look at the entire cryptocurrencies today, we have got a number of them and new ones were still coming and some had left already, many have also made it investors to cry in tears loosing their asset with them, the centralizdled exchange keep promoting them base on their liquidity in which is believed now to be manipulated, they can pump money into a crypto project and within a short period of time suddenly withdraw their entire asset and the project stuckee being liquidated, nothing much will happen if they choose to stop introducing new ones and tge ones already existing will be more effectively engage to deliver their mandates and not to scam people and run away with their investment.