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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: spyrosc200 on February 05, 2023, 01:40:35 PM



Title: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 05, 2023, 01:40:35 PM
I'm just giving the community a heads-up because I've been scammed 0.4946 Bitcoin (around 11700 USD) from Ole7.io.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3518507

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.0

Amount Scammed: 0.4946 Bitcoin / 11700 USD
Payment Method: Bitcoins

The story from the beginning:

Have opened account with Ole7.io at October 28th 2022, before they even joined bitcointalk community. They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.

Have deposited dozen of times in this period without any issues.
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/lMr8ss1
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/q4jHpfm

Have also withdrawn successfully dozen of times as well, with my last successful withdrawal of 0.20 bitcoin at 25 January 2023:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/ddHyTLI
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/2qSGndb

All went smooth until yesterday.
After a really good run my balance reached 0.40 bitcoin, another 0.10 bitcoin were unsettled bets so overall my balance is 0.50 bitcoin.

Now looked what happened as I took screenshots of everything (I always do as  I am not a newbie)

I have first asked for a withdrawal of 0.25 bitcoin which was rejected

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/cm6jVXp

I though it was an error and tried to withdraw once again in the next minute. Now withdrawals are not permitted for my account:

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ejHO8e6

I immediately went on live chat asking for explanations. I only get some nonsense general accusations about compliance issues (have in mind that they never asked for KYC, even if they did, I have no problems to provide any document requested):

Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/Rke0v12
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/0mCH58L

A moment later, they removed all the balance from my account, which turned into zero!
Proof 1:  https://imgur.com/a/8IH0inj

Obviously I did nothing wrong, I don’t have multiaccounts, I am not arbing etc. I even took screenshots of a big sample of my bets for anyone to take a look:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/kWHvqwp
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/SFpZn3F


Their customer support keep repeating same nonsense general accusation as their live chat representative:
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ufIIhXL
 
To summarize, Ole7.io unfairly and without any justification confiscate around 12000 of usd!

P.S Have left a red flag for Ole7.io official representative that can be seen here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3518507;page=iflags


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Pmalek on February 05, 2023, 01:54:49 PM
You should contact the casino via email and explain what happened. The reason your account got closed might not be known to ordinary support personnel. Does the site have a customer safety or regulation department that can be reached? Definitely ask them what is going on and PM the casino's forum account that you created this scam accusation. We need to hear what they have to say. 


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 05, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
You should contact the casino via email and explain what happened. The reason your account got closed might not be known to ordinary support personnel. Does the site have a customer safety or regulation department that can be reached? Definitely ask them what is going on and PM the casino's forum account that you created this scam accusation. We need to hear what they have to say. 

Have already asked them via email as well mate.

Same general responses as you can see:

https://imgur.com/a/ufIIhXL


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Poika5 on February 05, 2023, 03:31:43 PM
You should contact the casino via email and explain what happened. The reason your account got closed might not be known to ordinary support personnel. Does the site have a customer safety or regulation department that can be reached? Definitely ask them what is going on and PM the casino's forum account that you created this scam accusation. We need to hear what they have to say. 

Have already asked them via email as well mate.

Same general responses as you can see:

https://imgur.com/a/ufIIhXL
Illegal arbitrage practice? I checked their TOS and I couldn't find anything about arbitrage betting.
https://ole7.io/en/#/account/Terms

You placed a 25 MBTC bet on a Algerian second league game, that's a massive bet for such a low tier league, clearly Your account was not limited. Then why would OP multi account? It makes no sense.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Mahdirakib on February 05, 2023, 03:33:28 PM
They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.
Ole7 says

Quote
OLE777 is affiliated to OLE Group and has a PAGCOR license. This website is operated under the PAGCOR license issued by the Philippines Government and is supervised by it.

So, they aren't directly operated by the Ole Group International B.V., they are affiliated to OLE Group. I can't see the verification link of 'OLE Group Curacao license' on the site. Probably, VODDS broker will say that they have no connection with Ole7.io and both are independent platform.


Definitely ask them what is going on and PM the casino's forum account that you created this scam accusation. We need to hear what they have to say. 
They will say something like this. Because, they block the account of the users without showing any valid reasons. Ole7 team has done the same thing here with OP. They will give the reference of multiple reasons without showing any proof about their claim.

the customer support team and compliance team has told me that they do not disclose the exact reasons why accounts get banned or locked. However some illegal actions are: Multiple accounts, Illegal Arbitrage betting etc.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: John Abraham on February 05, 2023, 03:50:58 PM
Well, The casino already had some shady history. They already received a negative tag from DT member Jawhead999.

Jawhead999 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2578892)    2022-12-31    Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61493852#msg61493852)    Hired shill accounts to promote their shady casino

If a casino has to use shilling accounts on the forum, What do you expect from them? They don't have a good reputation here. Not sure if it will help you to recover your money. Good luck.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 05, 2023, 04:34:34 PM
They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.
Ole7 says

Quote
OLE777 is affiliated to OLE Group and has a PAGCOR license. This website is operated under the PAGCOR license issued by the Philippines Government and is supervised by it.

So, they aren't directly operated by the Ole Group International B.V., they are affiliated to OLE Group. I can't see the verification link of 'OLE Group Curacao license' on the site. Probably, VODDS broker will say that they have no connection with Ole7.io and both are independent platform.


Definitely ask them what is going on and PM the casino's forum account that you created this scam accusation. We need to hear what they have to say.  
They will say something like this. Because, they block the account of the users without showing any valid reasons. Ole7 team has done the same thing here with OP. They will give the reference of multiple reasons without showing any proof about their claim.

the customer support team and compliance team has told me that they do not disclose the exact reasons why accounts get banned or locked. However some illegal actions are: Multiple accounts, Illegal Arbitrage betting etc.


Ole7.io had indeed curacao license under Ole Group International B.V., same company as VODDS. The validation seal removed later and replaced with PAGCOR logo.

Had took a screenshot of their license as well before being replaced with PAGCOR, you can see it here:

https://imgur.com/a/5ukUKpj

If you compare it with VODDS license, you will see they are the same company and not affiliated
https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=vodds.com&seal_id=ce50b1cb73a2f1907e31e2286c60b2b663d3c1f0bf78e4ed65ceabf66dbcf13c3320c25f092964107f6a3a112c47f869&stamp=052f4ca5a0fba0f6e679c12fc1efe831&fbclid=IwAR2M-68TpgVl-YetzukYe790VWxs5t9EoeIV8Ge2UZsgoNkTyjRZLAwMIAA


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Pmalek on February 05, 2023, 05:05:44 PM
You placed a 25 MBTC bet on a Algerian second league game, that's a massive bet for such a low tier league, clearly Your account was not limited. Then why would OP multi account? It makes no sense.
The type of leagues OP was betting on is highly unusual maybe even to the point of being suspicious. Iranian football, Algerian low division and Reserve league, and matches from Vietnam. But if it's part of the daily offer, then you are allowed to bet on it. Otherwise, either remove the leagues or limit the amount that players can wager.

I will PM the forum rep and ask them to explain the exact reason for locking the account. For the record, I do find your choice of leagues suspicious.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 05, 2023, 05:30:49 PM
You placed a 25 MBTC bet on a Algerian second league game, that's a massive bet for such a low tier league, clearly Your account was not limited. Then why would OP multi account? It makes no sense.
The type of leagues OP was betting on is highly unusual maybe even to the point of being suspicious. Iranian football, Algerian low division and Reserve league, and matches from Vietnam. But if it's part of the daily offer, then you are allowed to bet on it. Otherwise, either remove the leagues or limit the amount that players can wager.

I will PM the forum rep and ask them to explain the exact reason for locking the account. For the record, I do find your choice of leagues suspicious.

nothing suspicious, many of those bets were taken on Pinnacle, Singbet etc as well without any issues, they all paid fine. Besides, Ole7.io is not a bookmaker itself but an agent. A bettor don't place bets against Ole7.io, they place bets via Pinnacle/IM Markets. Ole7.io give you access to 2 thirdparty bookmakers. So it is Pinnacle/IM Markets who settle the bets, not Ole7.io. Pinnacle/IM settle my bets fine without issues. Ole7.io, instead of pay my winnings they confiscated my balance.  

It is even stated in their terms that they are not a bookmaker but an intermediate:

''We provide betting intermediary services only and the Platform gives you access on an aggregated basis to sportsbooks operated by certain third party betting operators (“Bookmakers”). Each and every betting transaction (“Bet”) is between you and the Bookmakers only and the OLE Group is not, and will not, under any circumstances be a party to those Bets. The OLE Group does not act as, or hold itself out as, a bookmaker or betting operator.

You understand that, by using the Platform, you authorize the OLE Group to deal with the Bookmakers on your behalf, including collecting monies and depositing monies with the Bookmakers on your behalf.''

Since my bets were settle correctly from Pinnacle/IM Markets, it is obvious that OLE paid from bookmakers on mybehalf but they don't pay me!

A bettor can place bets on any leagues he wants as long as bookies offered those bets with certain limits. I haven't bypassed their limits in any way. There is no wrong with that nor it is consider abnormal betting, suspicious betting etc. That's why they paid me dozen of times earlier while i was always placing bets on exotic leagues.

Bets placed are defo not an issue, the issue is the profit. That's why they paid fine on first 3 months and they scammed me later. I was always betting on exotic leagues without issues. I took same competition bets on stake, nitrogen, betcoin, cloudbet, intertops, 5dimes etc, no issues at all.

If they didn't liked me they had the choice to limit my account but pay my legitimate winnings first. They haven't did that though, they simply confiscated profit which is against industry standard.

What happened here is obvious, they simply removed balance from account without proper explanation. Their live chat support only told some general accusations, their email support the same. Nothing more nothing less.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Stalker22 on February 05, 2023, 09:17:26 PM
They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.
Ole7 says

Quote
OLE777 is affiliated to OLE Group and has a PAGCOR license. This website is operated under the PAGCOR license issued by the Philippines Government and is supervised by it.

So, they aren't directly operated by the Ole Group International B.V., they are affiliated to OLE Group. I can't see the verification link of 'OLE Group Curacao license' on the site. Probably, VODDS broker will say that they have no connection with Ole7.io and both are independent platform.

I believe they are lying about that. Evidence from multiple snapshots on the Wayback Machine (web.archive.org)suggests that they are indeed operated by the Ole Group International B.V. However, the statements were altered in recent months for an unknown reason. Here are a couple of screenshots:

https://i.imgur.com/w8d4kOa.png
http://web.archive.org/web/20230101190359/https://ole7.io/en/#/main

https://i.imgur.com/mSqxajN.png
http://web.archive.org/web/20220505091014/https://ole7.io/en/#/main


I think that you were already aware of this, or perhaps this comment has slipped your memory:

OLE777 doesn't request for personal details during registration, but we need to write some personal information on the profile page of our account. They have gambling license (Ole Group International B.V. (http://www2.curacao-chamber.cw/excerpt.asp?establishmentnr=0&legalformid=51&companyid=150383)) from Curacao operator. They support deposits in BTC, ETH and some other stable coin. The UI of OLE7 casino (OLE777) is completely same as Bk8 casino.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: coin-investor on February 05, 2023, 11:03:16 PM


If they didn't liked me they had the choice to limit my account but pay my legitimate winnings first. They haven't did that though, they simply confiscated profit which is against industry standard.

What happened here is obvious, they simply removed balance from account without proper explanation. Their live chat support only told some general accusations, their email support the same. Nothing more nothing less.



One of the issues that they resolve is the deposit issue they resolve it because is not about winning only deposit, but they have a lot of complaints about the players' winnings, I have this feeling that this is another 1xbit in the making and should be avoided, they have been tagged using a shill service, and you are right in your opinion that you deserve your winning and just limit your account because you earned that money for winning your bet, its better to create a flag on this casino, the complaints keep coming.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: OLE777Official on February 06, 2023, 06:18:26 AM
I'm just giving the community a heads-up because I've been scammed 0.4946 Bitcoin (around 11700 USD) from Ole7.io.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3518507

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.0

Amount Scammed: 0.4946 Bitcoin / 11700 USD
Payment Method: Bitcoins

The story from the beginning:

Have opened account with Ole7.io at October 28th 2022, before they even joined bitcointalk community. They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.

Have deposited dozen of times in this period without any issues.
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/lMr8ss1
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/q4jHpfm

Have also withdrawn successfully dozen of times as well, with my last successful withdrawal of 0.20 bitcoin at 25 January 2023:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/ddHyTLI
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/2qSGndb

All went smooth until yesterday.
After a really good run my balance reached 0.40 bitcoin, another 0.10 bitcoin were unsettled bets so overall my balance is 0.50 bitcoin.

Now looked what happened as I took screenshots of everything (I always do as  I am not a newbie)

I have first asked for a withdrawal of 0.25 bitcoin which was rejected

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/cm6jVXp

I though it was an error and tried to withdraw once again in the next minute. Now withdrawals are not permitted for my account:

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ejHO8e6

I immediately went on live chat asking for explanations. I only get some nonsense general accusations about compliance issues (have in mind that they never asked for KYC, even if they did, I have no problems to provide any document requested):

Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/Rke0v12
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/0mCH58L

A moment later, they removed all the balance from my account, which turned into zero!
Proof 1:  https://imgur.com/a/8IH0inj

Obviously I did nothing wrong, I don’t have multiaccounts, I am not arbing etc. I even took screenshots of a big sample of my bets for anyone to take a look:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/kWHvqwp
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/SFpZn3F


Their customer support keep repeating same nonsense general accusation as their live chat representative:
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ufIIhXL
 
To summarize, Ole7.io unfairly and without any justification confiscate around 12000 of usd!

P.S Have left a red flag for Ole7.io official representative that can be seen here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3518507;page=iflags


Hi, I have already read your concern and thank you for raising this.

Kindly send your OLE7.IO username as we are trying to look into this right now.

Or if you can just confirm if syprosc200 is your OLE7.IO username that would be great.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 06, 2023, 06:38:42 AM
I'm just giving the community a heads-up because I've been scammed 0.4946 Bitcoin (around 11700 USD) from Ole7.io.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3518507

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.0

Amount Scammed: 0.4946 Bitcoin / 11700 USD
Payment Method: Bitcoins

The story from the beginning:

Have opened account with Ole7.io at October 28th 2022, before they even joined bitcointalk community. They are operated under Ole Group International B.V. which also operates VODDS broker that are considered trusted agents so nothing looked suspicious on first view.

Have deposited dozen of times in this period without any issues.
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/lMr8ss1
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/q4jHpfm

Have also withdrawn successfully dozen of times as well, with my last successful withdrawal of 0.20 bitcoin at 25 January 2023:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/ddHyTLI
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/2qSGndb

All went smooth until yesterday.
After a really good run my balance reached 0.40 bitcoin, another 0.10 bitcoin were unsettled bets so overall my balance is 0.50 bitcoin.

Now looked what happened as I took screenshots of everything (I always do as  I am not a newbie)

I have first asked for a withdrawal of 0.25 bitcoin which was rejected

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/cm6jVXp

I though it was an error and tried to withdraw once again in the next minute. Now withdrawals are not permitted for my account:

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ejHO8e6

I immediately went on live chat asking for explanations. I only get some nonsense general accusations about compliance issues (have in mind that they never asked for KYC, even if they did, I have no problems to provide any document requested):

Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/Rke0v12
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/0mCH58L

A moment later, they removed all the balance from my account, which turned into zero!
Proof 1:  https://imgur.com/a/8IH0inj

Obviously I did nothing wrong, I don’t have multiaccounts, I am not arbing etc. I even took screenshots of a big sample of my bets for anyone to take a look:
Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/kWHvqwp
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/SFpZn3F


Their customer support keep repeating same nonsense general accusation as their live chat representative:
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ufIIhXL
 
To summarize, Ole7.io unfairly and without any justification confiscate around 12000 of usd!

P.S Have left a red flag for Ole7.io official representative that can be seen here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3518507;page=iflags


Hi, I have already read your concern and thank you for raising this.

Kindly send your OLE7.IO username as we are trying to look into this right now.

Or if you can just confirm if syprosc200 is your OLE7.IO username that would be great.

My Ole7.io username is ''spyrosc200'', thank you.

Please don't come back with general statements like syndicate betting, arbitrage betting and all those stuff.

You know my bets were fair and that i did nothing wrong.






Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Jawhead999 on February 06, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
Although I've leave negative tag to the casino because they hired paid shill, but I don't think they're wrong for seized your funds due to arbitrage trading because you clearly did it. Why you're making repeated bet on the same match? you're taking advantage because you see the team is high likely to win, a legit gambler will only put bet one time. Since I'm not a part of the casino, I can't make sure if you're using multi accounts or work with other groups, after all you did a mistake.

https://i.postimg.cc/SxNgqQMy/11.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8z5m9y2c/12.png


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Poika5 on February 06, 2023, 10:42:57 AM
Quote
Although I've leave negative tag to the casino because they hired paid shill, but I don't think they're wrong for seized your funds due to arbitrage trading because you clearly did it. Why you're making repeated bet on the same match? you're taking advantage because you see the team is high likely to win, a legit gambler will only put bet one time.
What? or he clearly max bet 0.96(22.04mbtc) and thought that 0.9 was still +EV?
Sometimes i max bet a opening line 3 times in a row, it doesn't have anything to do with arbitrage.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 06, 2023, 10:55:56 AM
Although I've leave negative tag to the casino because they hired paid shill, but I don't think they're wrong for seized your funds due to arbitrage trading because you clearly did it. Why you're making repeated bet on the same match? you're taking advantage because you see the team is high likely to win, a legit gambler will only put bet one time. Since I'm not a part of the casino, I can't make sure if you're using multi accounts or work with other groups, after all you did a mistake.

https://i.postimg.cc/SxNgqQMy/11.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8z5m9y2c/12.png

You clearly got no idea what arbitrage is so better don't post false/nonse posts mate.

What you describe is not arbitrage betting.

IM markets offered by Ole7.io allows you to place bets double the size of the original bet limits.

So when a bet has a limit of 22.04mbtc, you are free to bet a total of double that stake limit, hence i am allowed to bet 44.07,mbtc. They are the one who set the limits, not me. In no way i bet more that i was allowed.

For example, in the Vietnam bet you highlighted, my first bet was 22mbtc. I was allowed to bet a total of 44mbtc. I ended up placing bets of 30mbtc in that game. This is not arbitrage and it is according to industry standards. My bets respected bookie limits all the times. If you look closely, you will see that first bet of 22mbtc was at odds 1.96. Then IM Markets lower the odds to 1.88/1.90 and they allow you to place same bet once again. It is normal procedure for asia betting style.

Pinnacle on the other hand allows you to rebet as many times as you want, they only change the odds with each rebet. So a selection may have 5mbtc limit but you are free to rebet 3-4-5 times for a total of 25mbtc etc. Pinnacle will lower the odds with each bet though.

If you are not sure what arbitrage is, better don't post comments that may mislead someone


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Jawhead999 on February 06, 2023, 11:04:02 AM
If you are not sure what arbitrage is, better don't post comments that may mislead someone
You need to read this one.

How do Bookmakers Identify Arbers?

Arbitrage detection is the task of the security departments of betting companies. They utilize unique algorithms to identify arbers based on the following parameters:

    The large bet sizes. High stakes that approach the maximum threshold.
    Repeated bets. The bettor continues repeating the same bets.
    Consistent account status. The bettor continually keeps the same balance level.
    Frequent money withdrawal. The bettor withdraws funds too often.
    Unpopular event choice. The bettor chooses unlikely events.

The listed triggers are part of standard monitoring. However, betting businesses can reinforce the process of revealing arbers by implementing AML/KYC procedures.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 06, 2023, 11:18:59 AM
If you are not sure what arbitrage is, better don't post comments that may mislead someone
You need to read this one.

How do Bookmakers Identify Arbers?

Arbitrage detection is the task of the security departments of betting companies. They utilize unique algorithms to identify arbers based on the following parameters:

    The large bet sizes. High stakes that approach the maximum threshold.
   Repeated bets. The bettor continues repeating the same bets.
    Consistent account status. The bettor continually keeps the same balance level.
    Frequent money withdrawal. The bettor withdraws funds too often.
   Unpopular event choice. The bettor chooses unlikely events.

The listed triggers are part of standard monitoring. However, betting businesses can reinforce the process of revealing arbers by implementing AML/KYC procedures.

The one who wrote this got no clue about what arbitrage is.

Arbitrage betting is a gambling strategy that involves calculating all possible results of an event and placing bets on each.Thus, bettors guarantee a profit by making every outcome win for them. It is written in the arlicle you posted as well. The parameters you mentioned are only valid if a guarantee profit is expected, which is not the case with my bets.

As i already told you, in asia you can rebet normally as many times as you want, bookmaker only change the odds each time. You can ask anyone who bet in asia to confirm if you don't believe me.

Can post you a dozens of thousands of bets paid from giants like Pinnacle, Sportmarket etc but it seems you will continue ignoring what industry standards are.

I am pretty sure you never bet with asian bookmakers, otherwise you would already know that what you described is the common procedure.

Don't want to make this topic a conversation about what arbitrage is etc. You have your opinion which is defo wrong.

There are plenty of 3rd party mediators.

If Ole7.io believes that i broke their rules in any way, we can follow the case to one of those 3rd party mediators.

Hope i am wrong but I am pretty sure that Ole7.io will not accept my proposal which is 100% fair for both parties.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: bachezy on February 06, 2023, 11:24:30 AM
If you are not sure what arbitrage is, better don't post comments that may mislead someone
You need to read this one.

How do Bookmakers Identify Arbers?

Arbitrage detection is the task of the security departments of betting companies. They utilize unique algorithms to identify arbers based on the following parameters:

    The large bet sizes. High stakes that approach the maximum threshold.
    Repeated bets. The bettor continues repeating the same bets.
    Consistent account status. The bettor continually keeps the same balance level.
    Frequent money withdrawal. The bettor withdraws funds too often.
    Unpopular event choice. The bettor chooses unlikely events.

The listed triggers are part of standard monitoring. However, betting businesses can reinforce the process of revealing arbers by implementing AML/KYC procedures.

The one who wrote this got no clue about what arbitrage is.

As i already told you, in asia you can rebet normally as many times as you want, bookmaker only change the odds each time. You can ask anyone who bet in asia to confirm if you don't believe me.

Can post you a dozens of thousands of bets paid from giants like Pinnacle, Sportmarket etc but it seems you will continue ignoring what industry standards are.

I am pretty sure you never bet with asian bookmakers, otherwise you would already know that what you described is the common procedure.

Don't want to make this topic a conversation about what arbitrage is etc. You have your opinion which is defo wrong.

There are plenty of 3rd party mediators.

If Ole7.io believes that i broke their rules in any way, we can follow the case to one of those 3rd party mediators.

Hope i am wrong but I am pretty sure that Ole7.io will not accept my proposal which is 100% fair for both parties.

ofc i also believe you can repeat bets, with the odds decreasing as you bet, that has nothing to do with arbitrage betting.
If the bookmaker didn't want you to repeat bets, it shouldn't let you after you place one bet.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Poika5 on February 06, 2023, 11:27:58 AM
If you are not sure what arbitrage is, better don't post comments that may mislead someone
You need to read this one.

How do Bookmakers Identify Arbers?

Arbitrage detection is the task of the security departments of betting companies. They utilize unique algorithms to identify arbers based on the following parameters:

    The large bet sizes. High stakes that approach the maximum threshold.
   Repeated bets. The bettor continues repeating the same bets.
    Consistent account status. The bettor continually keeps the same balance level.
    Frequent money withdrawal. The bettor withdraws funds too often.
   Unpopular event choice. The bettor chooses unlikely events.

The listed triggers are part of standard monitoring. However, betting businesses can reinforce the process of revealing arbers by implementing AML/KYC procedures.
Cool, you are clueless. I never arbitrage and i'm "guilty" of all these things.

Lets check Betsapi:
https://betsapi.com/rs/6092454/Cong-An-Nhan-Dan-vs-Binh-Dinh

So the opposite line needs to be at least 2.05 right(For +0.20% ROI)
188BET last line 1.95(-2.25% ROI)
BetVictor KickOff line 1.91(-3.27% ROI)



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: John Abraham on February 06, 2023, 11:41:12 AM
Since I'm not a part of the casino, I can't make sure if you're using multi accounts or work with other groups, after all you did a mistake.

The casino representative is already here. Op responded and confirmed the username to him. I believe the casino representative saw that post too. Let's see what their representative comes with. I am not a sports betting fan, and I have no idea what arbitrage trading is. I shouldn't comment on this matter since I don't understand how it works. But, If OP had multiple accounts and they have proof. I don't see any problem here. Let's see what they have to say.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 06, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
Since I'm not a part of the casino, I can't make sure if you're using multi accounts or work with other groups, after all you did a mistake.

The casino representative is already here. Op responded and confirmed the username to him. I believe the casino representative saw that post too. Let's see what their representative comes with. I am not a sports betting fan, and I have no idea what arbitrage trading is. I shouldn't comment on this matter since I don't understand how it works. But, If OP had multiple accounts and they have proof. I don't see any problem here. Let's see what they have to say.

Can guarantee you i don't have multiple accounts and they can't have such proofs.

In reality, having multiple accounts with asian agents makes no sense. The reason is that odds change after 1 bet. So next user will take lower odds. But the first user can repeat the bet for the same event with lower odds as the second user so ''multiaccounts'' in asia doesn't make any sense.

Someone can say that you can make multiaccounts to take the 200USDT welcome bonus they offer. Hey, i haven't took any bonus. I never take bonuses in general as they are a headache when you withdraw due to rollover requirements and i want piece of mind.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Poika5 on February 06, 2023, 02:42:38 PM
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Besides, Ole7.io is not a bookmaker itself but an agent. A bettor don't place bets against Ole7.io, they place bets via Pinnacle/IM Markets. Ole7.io give you access to 2 thirdparty bookmakers. So it is Pinnacle/IM Markets who settle the bets, not Ole7.io. Pinnacle/IM settle my bets fine without issues. Ole7.io, instead of pay my winnings they confiscated my balance.  

It is even stated in their terms that they are not a bookmaker but an intermediate:

''We provide betting intermediary services only and the Platform gives you access on an aggregated basis to sportsbooks operated by certain third party betting operators (“Bookmakers”). Each and every betting transaction (“Bet”) is between you and the Bookmakers only and the OLE Group is not, and will not, under any circumstances be a party to those Bets. The OLE Group does not act as, or hold itself out as, a bookmaker or betting operator.
If OLE7.io is a broker/agent then they shouldn't care about arbitrage betting at all. The betting brokers are not interested in the outcome of the event, they benefit solely from betting volumes. In this regard, brokers are loyal to arbitragers, because they often make big bets.
+ Pinnacle doesn't care about arbers anyway.


I supported your flag:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3518507;page=iflags


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Pmalek on February 06, 2023, 05:04:40 PM
IM markets offered by Ole7.io allows you to place bets double the size of the original bet limits.

So when a bet has a limit of 22.04mbtc, you are free to bet a total of double that stake limit, hence i am allowed to bet 44.07,mbtc. They are the one who set the limits, not me. In no way i bet more that i was allowed.
I have no experience with Asian bookies and Asian agents, so I am a complete newbie in that regard. But if you say that you are allowed to bet double what the betting limits are, can you back that up with information provided in the Terms and Conditions of Ole7.io where they say that?

Same question to the Ole7.io forum representative: If the player is not allowed to bypass betting limits the way spyrosc200 explained it, is that clearly explained in your TOS? And is that the reason why the funds were seized?


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 06, 2023, 06:56:41 PM
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Besides, Ole7.io is not a bookmaker itself but an agent. A bettor don't place bets against Ole7.io, they place bets via Pinnacle/IM Markets. Ole7.io give you access to 2 thirdparty bookmakers. So it is Pinnacle/IM Markets who settle the bets, not Ole7.io. Pinnacle/IM settle my bets fine without issues. Ole7.io, instead of pay my winnings they confiscated my balance.  

It is even stated in their terms that they are not a bookmaker but an intermediate:

''We provide betting intermediary services only and the Platform gives you access on an aggregated basis to sportsbooks operated by certain third party betting operators (“Bookmakers”). Each and every betting transaction (“Bet”) is between you and the Bookmakers only and the OLE Group is not, and will not, under any circumstances be a party to those Bets. The OLE Group does not act as, or hold itself out as, a bookmaker or betting operator.
If OLE7.io is a broker/agent then they shouldn't care about arbitrage betting at all. The betting brokers are not interested in the outcome of the event, they benefit solely from betting volumes. In this regard, brokers are loyal to arbitragers, because they often make big bets.
+ Pinnacle doesn't care about arbers anyway.


I supported your flag:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3518507;page=iflags

Thanks for your support, hope more members will read the whole story and support my red flag further.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: goldkingcoiner on February 06, 2023, 07:08:41 PM
IM markets offered by Ole7.io allows you to place bets double the size of the original bet limits.

So when a bet has a limit of 22.04mbtc, you are free to bet a total of double that stake limit, hence i am allowed to bet 44.07,mbtc. They are the one who set the limits, not me. In no way i bet more that i was allowed.
I have no experience with Asian bookies and Asian agents, so I am a complete newbie in that regard. But if you say that you are allowed to bet double what the betting limits are, can you back that up with information provided in the Terms and Conditions of Ole7.io where they say that?

Same question to the Ole7.io forum representative: If the player is not allowed to bypass betting limits the way spyrosc200 explained it, is that clearly explained in your TOS? And is that the reason why the funds were seized?

I think that not only is the terms of service of the casino in question of importance in this matter, but also the casinos regulational status and location. Same goes for the player as well. If the player lives in a country with certain rules and restrictions, thats not something you will find in the terms of service of the online gambling casino but rather they should look at the laws of their government. Thats the players responsibility.

Although if gambling is outright banned in their country, the gambling casino will not even allow them to play on their platform in the first place.

I have not yet seen any evidence provided by the accuser that this matter is the casinos fault, but since the casino is accusing the player of multi-accounting or illegal practices, they should be able to provide proof. I agree on this.

Also, them not being able to even spell forfeited is a sign of unprofessionality. Red flag.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: John Abraham on February 07, 2023, 08:30:38 AM
Same question to the Ole7.io forum representative: If the player is not allowed to bypass betting limits the way spyrosc200 explained it, is that clearly explained in your TOS? And is that the reason why the funds were seized?

It's been over 24 Hours since The casino representative asked for the username of OP, and he promised to come back with an update. Still no answer or explanation from them about this case. There is another scam accusation against this casino, and the case is similar. If a casino doesn't allow placing double bets on the exact match, Why they kept it open for players to make multiple bets? This is a door for shady casinos to confiscate winnings and freeze user balances.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 07, 2023, 04:06:00 PM
Same question to the Ole7.io forum representative: If the player is not allowed to bypass betting limits the way spyrosc200 explained it, is that clearly explained in your TOS? And is that the reason why the funds were seized?

It's been over 24 Hours since The casino representative asked for the username of OP, and he promised to come back with an update. Still no answer or explanation from them about this case. There is another scam accusation against this casino, and the case is similar. If a casino doesn't allow placing double bets on the exact match, Why they kept it open for players to make multiple bets? This is a door for shady casinos to confiscate winnings and freeze user balances.

Double bets are not an issue mate.

Ole7.io is not the one who grades the bets as those are graded from the bookmakers provided via Ole7.io.

Ole7.io are only an intermediary between you and the sportsbooks provided via them. Ole7.io make money by taking commission based on your volume of bets and they are only responsible for your deposits and withdrawals only. This is how the system works with asian style betting brokers. In general, the more volume you make with Ole7.io, the more commission they take from the sportsbooks.

As you can see in the screenshots above, all my bets  were settle and paid fine from sportsbooks provided via Ole7.io, as they were all completely normal and fair bets.

That means that Ole7.io got paid my winnings from those sportsbooks but instead of pay my legitimate winnings, they confiscated them.

To summarize, they have absolutely no ground to confiscate my 12000 USD.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Pmalek on February 07, 2023, 05:52:20 PM
I had a quick look at their Terms and Conditions and there is indeed no mention of any betting limits or placing multiple bets on the same events. The user is, therefore, allowed to do that as much as they want.
 
They do talk about not allowing wagers on fixed matches (obviously) and state the following:
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i) to manipulate a market in a way that is linked to a sports event that is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result (i.e. use relating to match-fixing);
But I don't think that's what is happening here.

The other point wort mentioning says:
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We may, under any circumstances and without prior notice, immediately terminate access to this website by you or such other users at any time at our sole discretion.
https://ole7.io/en/#/account/Terms

Nevertheless, they can't simply use that as an excuse to steal money from their customers. @OLE777Official what is going on here?


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: khaled0111 on February 07, 2023, 11:24:28 PM
If the casino sets a limit on how much you can bet on an event, then, logically, you are not supposed to place another bet on the same event. If the odds decrease, as in this case, then this is a different matter and the player can place a second bet.
If the casino doesn't want this to happen then they should state it clearly on their ToS or simply add a feature to prevent users from placing multiple bets on the same event.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: John Abraham on February 09, 2023, 02:29:58 PM
If the casino sets a limit on how much you can bet on an event, then, logically, you are not supposed to place another bet on the same event. If the odds decrease, as in this case, then this is a different matter and the player can place a second bet.
If the casino doesn't want this to happen then they should state it clearly on their ToS or simply add a feature to prevent users from placing multiple bets on the same event.

I agree with you. If a casino does not allow double bets, they can put restrictions on the website. When players will go to place bets, A simple pop-up notification will say you already placed the bet in this event/match. This is not too hard. They kept it open due to shady things. It's been over 48 Hours now and there is no update from the casino representative. Let's see what they come up with even though I believe they don't care about reputation too much.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 09, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
Guys, placing multiple bets in asia isn't an issue.

These are my today's bets placed with another fair agent

https://imgur.com/a/bwu64JR

As you can see, i placed 4 times the same bet, Dallas -0.25 line, half time bet, 2 times other bets etc

Can assure you that all those bets will be graded  accordingly without any issues. Most have already graded btw without issues. Anyone who use asian style agents can confirm my words.

What happened with Ole7.io is obvious and documented.

Have asked for a withdrawal of 0.25 BTC which was rejected. The next moment i asked their live chat what is the reason for the rejection. A minute after they said that ''hey, we reviewed your account we find compliance issues blah blah blah''. They only needed 1 minute to review a six month old account with hundreds, if not thousand of bets!

Check it yourself:  https://imgur.com/a/Rke0v12

How on earth they were able to review my account and find compliance issues the same moment i asked for a withdrawal? They didn't even stall the withdrawal for 1-2 days and pretend they were reviewing my account.

Wish i am wrong but it doesn't seem they care about their reputation. Their official representative is well aware of this topic, and yet there is no sign of him for more than 3 days. Signs are not good obviously.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Mahdirakib on February 09, 2023, 04:55:34 PM
I think that you were already aware of this, or perhaps this comment has slipped your memory: ~~
I'm aware of my post, but I had forgotten that where I found the license information when I made the post. They are still showing the "OLE Group International B.V." name in their terms page. Based on your given evidence, I had provided the information during then by watching it at the bottom of the website.

Wish i am wrong but it doesn't seem they care about their reputation. Their official representative is well aware of this topic, and yet there is no sign of him for more than 3 days. Signs are not good obviously.
Most probably Ole7.io bitcointalk representative isn't a part of the main team of Ole7 casino. He/she has very limited access to the casino/bookie. He/she is only forwarding the information to the casino team and waiting for their response to give an update here. I will support your flag if 'OLE777Official' can't provide any proof against you in their next post.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 10, 2023, 12:36:59 PM
Seems that Ole7.io are not willing to cooperate.

I am copying their representative response in their main thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61740258#msg61740258

''Lastly for spyrosc200

"If you really want to help, please don't come back with general statements for arbitrage betting and/or syndicate betting and all that stuff that you know in advance that they are just lies and joke explanations."

Sadly they won't disclose further information but I am still working on convincing them about it, but yes. Your account was labelled under arbitrage/syndicate betting.''


Obviously those are joke accusations. They are free to post my full betting history for anyone to see and check themselves if my bets are arbitrage.

Regarding syndicate betting, i can only laugh reading such bullshits. I even doubt they have another customer from the small country i live.

Ole7.io took my 12000 USD and all they only said: ''Hey, we took your money but we can't give you more information, you fall under arbing/syndicate betting!''





Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: John Abraham on February 10, 2023, 12:42:37 PM
OP, it's enough for them to respond here and explain what they doing. But, I don't think they care about this case anymore since they are not replying anymore. Would you mind knocking them via PM and asking them if they want to write back or not? If they don't respond to your PM as well, you may ask DT members to read your case and support your flag as well. I am not a DT member and my support won't count here. I believe they have something shady behind their business. Otherwise, they would at least come with a statement.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: dimonstration on February 10, 2023, 12:58:15 PM
Seems that Ole7.io are not willing to cooperate.

I am copying their representative response in their main thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61740258#msg61740258

''Lastly for spyrosc200

"If you really want to help, please don't come back with general statements for arbitrage betting and/or syndicate betting and all that stuff that you know in advance that they are just lies and joke explanations."

Sadly they won't disclose further information but I am still working on convincing them about it, but yes. Your account was labelled under arbitrage/syndicate betting.''


Obviously those are joke accusations. They are free to post my full betting history for anyone to see and check themselves if my bets are arbitrage.

Regarding syndicate betting, i can only laugh reading such bullshits. I even doubt they have another customer from the small country i live.

Ole7.io took my 12000 USD and all they only said: ''Hey, we took your money but we can't give you more information, you fall under arbing/syndicate betting!''

What’s your winning percentage on your account? Some casino only rely on the winning percentage to accused you of being part of gambling syndicate or arbs especially if you are showing an irregular bet such as multiple bet on same pick. It just show how sure you are that the match you are betting will gonna win and this kind of behavior always subject for investigation for match fixing casino has no way to give a solid proof to caught gambling syndicate.

Forfeiting all your balance is a bad move since they should just refund you your deposit and allow you to withdraw. Sadly their ToS surely has a statement that they are allowed to restrict your account without further explanation and probably they are using that against you. The only way we can do here is taint their forum account a negative feedback until they provide a solid evidence for their accusation against you.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 10, 2023, 01:08:56 PM
Seems that Ole7.io are not willing to cooperate.

I am copying their representative response in their main thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61740258#msg61740258

''Lastly for spyrosc200

"If you really want to help, please don't come back with general statements for arbitrage betting and/or syndicate betting and all that stuff that you know in advance that they are just lies and joke explanations."

Sadly they won't disclose further information but I am still working on convincing them about it, but yes. Your account was labelled under arbitrage/syndicate betting.''


Obviously those are joke accusations. They are free to post my full betting history for anyone to see and check themselves if my bets are arbitrage.

Regarding syndicate betting, i can only laugh reading such bullshits. I even doubt they have another customer from the small country i live.

Ole7.io took my 12000 USD and all they only said: ''Hey, we took your money but we can't give you more information, you fall under arbing/syndicate betting!''

What’s your winning percentage on your account? Some casino only rely on the winning percentage to accused you of being part of gambling syndicate or arbs especially if you are showing an irregular bet such as multiple bet on same pick. It just show how sure you are that the match you are betting will gonna win and this kind of behavior always subject for investigation for match fixing casino has no way to give a solid proof to caught gambling syndicate.

Forfeiting all your balance is a bad move since they should just refund you your deposit and allow you to withdraw. Sadly their ToS surely has a statement that they are allowed to restrict your account without further explanation and probably they are using that against you. The only way we can do here is taint their forum account a negative feedback until they provide a solid evidence for their accusation against you.



No idea about winning percentage mate. I believe around 10-15% yield overall. Was betting normally for many months with plenty of deposits and withdrawals.

Regarding their ToS, it is true that they can restrict an account without further explanation. Many sportsbook do this. Yet, they pay your balance first before kicking you. In fact majority of books kicks you if you win or you bet more than they can handle etc. But, legit sportsbooks pay you first and then they limit you etc.

In any case, i just wrote in their main page that my scam accusation thread is waiting their response. Lets see. Unfortunately 12000 USD are a lot of money and can't simply pretend that nothing happened and move on.



Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Saisher on February 10, 2023, 01:58:01 PM


Regarding their ToS, it is true that they can restrict an account without further explanation. Many sportsbook do this. Yet, they pay your balance first before kicking you. In fact majority of books kicks you if you win or you bet more than they can handle etc. But, legit sportsbooks pay you first and then they limit you etc.

In any case, i just wrote in their main page that my scam accusation thread is waiting their response. Lets see. Unfortunately 12000 USD are a lot of money and can't simply pretend that nothing happened and move on.


$12000 will end their business here in Bitcointalk and hopefully, other review sites will cache or index your accusation here if they cannot show proof that you are guilty of what they charge you with, they cannot go on with their business with an open accusation that amounts to $12000 like what referees are saying in boxing matches you need to show something, you need to prove that you are right in your allegation and denial of withdrawals.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Stalker22 on February 10, 2023, 07:02:13 PM
Something fishy is going on with this casino site!

They are lying and concealing the fact that they are operated by the OLE Group. Their representative on is making a ridiculous claims that even their customer support doesn't have insight into the information about why the player was flagged. But I am certain that they have access to the player's entire betting history and can show it publicly if they truly want to be transparent. I will support the flag against OLE777Official if they continue to REFUSE TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE from their side.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: torkens on February 10, 2023, 11:59:35 PM
Something fishy is going on with this casino site!

They are lying and concealing the fact that they are operated by the OLE Group. Their representative on is making a ridiculous claims that even their customer support doesn't have insight into the information about why the player was flagged. But I am certain that they have access to the player's entire betting history and can show it publicly if they truly want to be transparent. I will support the flag against OLE777Official if they continue to REFUSE TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE from their side.

they are just scammer

same story with me they forefitted my balance of 600usdt. reasoning Multiaccounting and arbitrage betting, i didnt do any of those thing first account and play 100 usdt per bet. But when i want to withdraw second time part of funds got blocked and forefitted my balance as they called it


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: Pmalek on February 11, 2023, 07:45:50 AM
Several days have passed since the representative of this casino showed up and said they would take a look at the reason why $12000 was confiscated and the player got banned. Since nothing is happening and we still don't know more, I am going to support the player's flag.

I will also give the casino a negative rating as a warning to other players that your money is not safe with them. It's not safe because it can be taken from you and they will tell you "you broke our rules, is there anything else we can help you with today?"

Additionally,
@spyrosc200 You might consider creating a newbie flag against the casino as well. That would be visible to people who browse their ANN thread even if they are not logged in.
Another thing you can do is write a post in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here!  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0) Make it a good one, with a link to your scam accusation, explaining what happened and how the casino hasn't explained what you did wrong.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 11, 2023, 08:32:03 AM
Several days have passed since the representative of this casino showed up and said they would take a look at the reason why $12000 was confiscated and the player got banned. Since nothing is happening and we still don't know more, I am going to support the player's flag.

I will also give the casino a negative rating as a warning to other players that your money is not safe with them. It's not safe because it can be taken from you and they will tell you "you broke our rules, is there anything else we can help you with today?"

Additionally,
@spyrosc200 You might consider creating a newbie flag against the casino as well. That would be visible to people who browse their ANN thread even if they are not logged in.
Another thing you can do is write a post in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here!  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0) Make it a good one, with a link to your scam accusation, explaining what happened and how the casino hasn't explained what you did wrong.

Thanks for your support mate.

Will follow both suggestions as well later in the day.

Wish casino had realized that their will loose all reputation by not cooperating with player complaints


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: robelneo on February 11, 2023, 03:11:52 PM
Several days have passed since the representative of this casino showed up and said they would take a look at the reason why $12000 was confiscated and the player got banned. Since nothing is happening and we still don't know more, I am going to support the player's flag.

I will also give the casino a negative rating as a warning to other players that your money is not safe with them. It's not safe because it can be taken from you and they will tell you "you broke our rules, is there anything else we can help you with today?"

Additionally,
@spyrosc200 You might consider creating a newbie flag against the casino as well. That would be visible to people who browse their ANN thread even if they are not logged in.
Another thing you can do is write a post in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here!  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0) Make it a good one, with a link to your scam accusation, explaining what happened and how the casino hasn't explained what you did wrong.

Also sending a negative rating as long as the issue is not resolved gamblers should stop playing here, the representative logged in yesterday I'm sure they are fully aware of the tag, and the flag already, OP is transparent and open to arguing with his case but unfortunately, the casino is hiding behind their rules and the most used alibi, that they cannot give or show pieces of evidence why they are banning the account.
It's unacceptable they will do this over and over again if we let them get away this time.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: holydarkness on February 11, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
tl;dr: we are on a stalemate, flag supported. It now has 3 DT supports and should be active.

Bear with me, it'll be a long post, I spent my entire day --literally-- mulling over this. I even sat on the floor, waiting for my laundry while reading back and forth between posts.



Several days have passed since the representative of this casino showed up and said they would take a look at the reason why $12000 was confiscated and the player got banned. Since nothing is happening and we still don't know more, I am going to support the player's flag.

[...]

In the spirit of being fair and just, the official of Ole777 has actually replied with the reason why $12,000 was confiscated from OP, although they somehow replied on their ann instead on this, more proper thread. Their reply had also been quoted and replied by OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438203.msg61740479#msg61740479) here on this thread

[...]
Lastly for spyrosc200

"If you really want to help, please don't come back with general statements for arbitrage betting and/or syndicate betting and all that stuff that you know in advance that they are just lies and joke explanations."

Sadly they won't disclose further information but I am still working on convincing them about it, but yes. Your account was labelled under arbitrage/syndicate betting.


Nonetheless, it wasn't an answer that's constructive to the development of this case or --at the very least-- invoking confidence for the platform. Tracing back, basically, most of their explanation for these situations is, "you're caught in syndicate and arbitrage betting, that's all".

[...]
Bitcointalk Username: Bachezy
OLE7.IO Username: didi123

Now for this accusation, I was told by the CS representative that you were caught with arbitrage and syndicate betting.

They have not provided further information.

[...]

Sadly they won't disclose further information but I am still working on convincing them about it, but yes. Your account was labelled under arbitrage/syndicate betting.


On the same day that Carlos posted his answer on their ann thread, describing the tight situation he currently is, I advised (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61742296#msg61742296) him to ask the compliance team to create an account here and answer these pile of issues, as they seems to be the key to all of the cases here, and their reluctance to provide the backing evidences of their counter-accusations only complicate things.

I can understand that a platform is reluctant to share their multi-acc abuse detection system because it'll make the system obsolete, but I can't fathom why won't a platform shows a proof of arbit, as --if I understand correctly-- it's mostly about the bettor's bet log and it won't do them any harm.

At some point earlier today, I realized that we are at a stalemate. The only way to move forward is if compliance team level down and shows their evidences. Otherwise, it's just an empty counter-accusation. We can drag it out for years and make Carlos goes back and forth between this forum and the compliance team and still at this exact point if they stays on their ground.

And this is detrimental for the cryptocommunity who want to play on their platform. We can't be sure how many people in the future joining up in a good faith --while we still trying to put this case to rest-- and got unlucky by getting into this similar inconvenient situation with no plausible evidence to justify the action taken against them.

At the same time, I'm still standing on my belief (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422931.msg61734266#msg61734266) that OP's flag1 is still lacking the stated requirement. I even consulted to the guide on raising and/or supporting flag to get some insight on what step is the best to take here and what's the justified action, and theymos said,

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Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed.

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Reference for the fact-statement mentioned above:
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On my honor, I affirm the following:
1) This user violated a written contract, resulting in damages;
2) I have not been made whole by the user;
3) no existing flag covers this same incident;
4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic;
5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above.

Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.

I wouldn't hesitate to support the flag if it's a type-1 flag as the condition is instantly met for that flag. Flag type-3, though, is still not completely true, and that's purely because Carlos seems to still gave his full effort to ensure that point number 4 is not valid and point number 2 will never befell to the OP --aside from point number 1 that I will explain on the postscript.

However, in the consideration of my point of stalemate, I think this case is just as good as a dead-end if the compliance team keeps refusing to give their supporting evidence. And no matter how hard Carlos plead to the team, as long as they still holding on their decision to not sharing any incriminating proof against OP, point number 2 and 4 on the type-3 flag is as good as a proven and fulfilled.

Thus, in hope that the nice red banner on their ann would help us get through this situation, I supported the flag and leave a negative feedback to the suspect. The flag will now be active.


1by the way... i think flag type-2 is more accurate, since OP did not have a written contract with the suspect. The "contract" is the ToS that OP checked upon signing up, which basically an agreement. Unless I'm wrong and such action [checking the "i agree ..." box] can be considered as a written contract?


Edit:

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Additionally,
@spyrosc200 You might consider creating a newbie flag against the casino as well. That would be visible to people who browse their ANN thread even if they are not logged in.
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Type-2 and 3 flag will also be visible to newbie and guest once active, much like the type-1 flag

https://i.ibb.co/591jJMd/Guest.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: spyrosc200 on February 12, 2023, 04:31:55 PM
Thanks a lot for your support guys, especially the DT's who spend time reading and monitoring this topic.

From my side, i can only guarantee you all once again that i did nothing wrong and that i haven't violated Ole7.io ToS.

I haven't taken any bonus, i am not a multiaccounter, i never use VPN and obviously i am not a part for any syndicate etc.

All bets were mine and all bers were fair, hence i was deserved to be paid every penny.

Ole7.io is not new in business, same do i. We both know the industry standards and they defo  know that i did nothing wrong.

They choose to confiscate 12000USD with out any valid reason. Don't know if they expected to be blacklisted in this forum after this, but obviously they will lose more in the longterm than 12000USD. Building a trust in betting area is number one key to success and they decided to screw it for 12000USD.


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: holydarkness on February 12, 2023, 06:45:39 PM
Thanks a lot for your support guys, especially the DT's who spend time reading and monitoring this topic.

From my side, i can only guarantee you all once again that i did nothing wrong and that i haven't violated Ole7.io ToS.

I haven't taken any bonus, i am not a multiaccounter, i never use VPN and obviously i am not a part for any syndicate etc.

All bets were mine and all bers were fair, hence i was deserved to be paid every penny.

Ole7.io is not new in business, same do i. We both know the industry standards and they defo  know that i did nothing wrong.

They choose to confiscate 12000USD with out any valid reason. Don't know if they expected to be blacklisted in this forum after this, but obviously they will lose more in the longterm than 12000USD. Building a trust in betting area is number one key to success and they decided to screw it for 12000USD.

Let's just wait and hope that their compliance team changed their mind when Monday come. Your link to their flag is not correct, it's this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3106


Title: Re: OLE7.IO scammed me 11700 USD in bitcoins without reasoning!
Post by: CryptSafe on February 12, 2023, 09:03:03 PM
This casino has not been straight forward to handling issues pertaining to their clients funds and assets under their custody upon deposit. They lure people to register and make deposit after that they block, suspend and get accounts of members banned just for no reason and with no serious follow up from their representative here. Their representative here is another issue as he or she is not active in responding to their clients here. They make it look like they are genuine with their representative here acting like they are serious and genuine meanwhile that are busy scamming people of their hard earned resources with no reasonable clues to trace. They have frustrated members here which is not good and therefore I see no reason why they should not be flagged. I think people would need to thread and deal with caution.