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Finally, we have a new schedule for this fight, it was originally headlines for March 18. However, Stanionis had to go to go for Emergency Appendectomy Surgery.

Stanionis holds the regular WBA welterweight belt, but Spence has the "Super" title. And Spence will have a fight against Thurman and hopefully the winner of that fight will go up against the winner of Stanionis vs Ortiz.

Fight is going to happen at College Park Center in Arlington, Texas.

I expect this to be war, Stanionis with 60% KO ratio, against Ortiz Jr, 100%. Both are undefeated as well.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/791796 - Stanionis
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/766727 - Ortiz Jr

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https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/2/13/23598523/eimantas-stanionis-vs-vergil-ortiz-jr-official-april-29-arlington-texas-dazn-boxing-news-2023

Odds:

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Who you got on this fight?

Let me be the first to comment on this one, this is a dangerous fight for Stanionis, no doubt that Ortiz Jr has the power based on his record of 100% ratio. But I think if Eimantas will have a good strategy to counter Ortiz and his chin holds against the power, he has a good chance to win, and win it on the judges score card. Both are motivated though, and I agree that this might go on a back and forth war and could be the first big welterweight fight this year. Spence vs Thurman is at 154 lbs, so that is not a real welterweight fight and even there are no belts on the line.

This will be a good fight, it's obvious majority will think Ortiz Jr will win via KO, but I think taking risk to bet Stanionis win via decision isn't a bad idea.

Both Stanionis and Ortiz Jr have been fought an undefeated boxer, Ortiz Jr completely win since he was knocking out Michael McKinson while Stanionis he win via split decision against Radzhab Butaev. But I think the judge who score favor in Butaev is really robbed, Stanionis should win via unanimous decision.

I do agree, Stanionis style is very misleading at least, and Ortiz shouldn't underestimate him in this fight and shouldn't just rely on his power alone. This is a step up on boxers that he has fought.

On the other hand, this is an avenue for Ortiz to show his talent, we have been hearing his name a lot in this division and that he is supposedly the new breed that will take over this division from either Spence or Crawford and that this two champions are avoiding him.

They are fighting for World Title?

Both of them are KO artist but Stanus (14-0, 9 KOs), Golden boy left out Boots when he is a better match for Ortiz.  Stanionis power is nothing compare to Ortiz. That alone will already make him the underdog and with speed and overall reach advantage, Ortiz will dominate the fight giving Stan no chance.

Eimantas Stanionis as I have said hold the Regular title. So yes, this fight is for the WBC welterweight regular belt as Vergil is the number 1 rank boxer in this organization.


This fight has been scheduled already, Boots is not yet rank though, so we will see. He is also a up and coming fighter, soon though he will be given the chance to fight for a world title but this two deserved this fight. Stanionis has beaten rank 3 Radzhab Butaev by split decision as explain by @Jawhead999. And the super champion, Spence, will fight rank 2 Thurman, although there is no belt on the line/

This has the making of a great fight honestly I have not seen Stanionis fight before I have to take time to watch highlights of his fight and this guy can deliver knockouts but against Ortiz, he will be tested

Stanionis has a good defense and perfectly time punches based on what I see on his highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16b0_Gd-xM these two fighters have potential especially Ortiz and this fight is a climb-the-ladder match the winner will take the title and become a threat to both Spence and Thurman supremacy in that division.
 

Thanks for the link, yes, maybe majority of us here are not familiar with Stanionis, but he is the WBC champion and so he should be a good boxer. Ortiz has been climbing up the ladder and his name has been in the discussion for a Spence fight but for now it's not going to happen.

If he beat Stanionis here, he could be the next for Spence belt. And the odds shows that he is the betting favorite and so he should be live up to that expectations.

Ortiz Jr might go hard on this one against the champion and see who he is made of. But Stanionis is very durable, and the odds doesn't really reflect how how he is, specially a knockout artist like Ortiz Jr.

Why not? the Stanionis is a huge underdog and betting for him might be a good risk.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Stanionis will go down in this fight, he might survived but Ortiz Jr punching power will put a toll on Stanionis, specially if Vergil will mix it up, head and body power punches.

I expect not only war but an explosion of punches Stanionis has a good record but Ortiz Jr is just too awesome he is the only boxer I've known to have a 100% knock-out ratio he is an almost perfect boxer, with great defense with good timing in his punches he is poised to become the next champion.
The welterweight division houses some of the best punchers and Ortiz is one of the fighters that stands out, he should be challenging for the World title I hope it will happen after he disposes of Stanionis, Stanionis is also good but Ortiz Jr is just too good for him.

To see how good Ortiz's defense and offense check the highlight of some of his fights

I like to contradict your opinion anyway it's good for the flow of discussion if there are contradictions, the knockout ratio is just too high 60% and 70% respectively on the two fighters, these two are not running in a fight they love to engage and slug it out.

I see one of them going down, and I don't see Ortiz the one going down although I'm not ruling out the possibility that Stationis can score an upset he can always deliver, but Ortiz knows the weight of this fight and he wants to look impressive in the eyes of the boxing community and this is that fight.
I admire your taking the risk to bet on Stationis with a decision I have to respect your choice so good luck.

I have seen both Stanionis and Ortiz Jr performance but I must say my vote for this fight will be for Ortiz Jr as aside that he might be the crowd’s favorite, the brutality of his shots might put down and defeat his opponent  just like what he did to McKinson inside the ring. If Stanionis will not improve his performance, most likely he will be defeated by Ortiz Jr during the fight.

Ortiz is a scary fighter and that's why we heard his name against two of the divisions best, Spence and Crawford. But at least he has his way against Stanionis. If he win they he can call out either of the two boxers for a fight.

But Stanionis looks solid though, he might have a tough chin that Ortiz need to check how strong it is. Same with Stanionis, for sure he is looking to defend his belt by any means so this is really a solid fight for us.

And looking at the votes so far, all in favor of Ortiz by KO over Stanionis.

But as the saying goes, don't understand the heart of the champion, and so even if Ortiz is a KO artist, Stanionis himself has also a good knockout percentage and most likely he will want to score a KO too in this fight. But for him to win against Ortiz, it's going to be old way, just box Ortiz and make him uncomfortable by pressures and fighting in the middle of the ring.

Here is Vergil Ortiz highlights, knock out of all of his opponents,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwSzeQzgLfI

Obviously, you can see and even hear the power when it touches his opponents whether on face or in the body. The way he punch them though in the body is very different, it's like a straight right, not the one that we usually show like a left hook to the body. And I think the straight might be more devastating because his opponents will usually take a knee and can't get up in time.

It's a great combination from Ortiz that's why he is very dangerous opponent for Stanionis. And Ortiz former trainer, Robert Garcia is all praises for Vergil and he knows too much the skills and the power that this kid possesses and he says that Ortiz is too strong for Stanionis.

Stanionis knows this and could prepare himself 100%.

And it will take a lot from him, watching Ortiz fight and see if there is any loophole that he can see and exploit in order to be able to win.

That is why Ortiz Jr is considered to be a dangerous opponent and that is obviously seen from his performances inside the ring. Once he starts giving his powerful punch, he won’t stop punching his opponent until he knock him down. And that’s why Stanionis should learn how to defend himself more, otherwise his opponent will leave him losing his consciousness because of Ortiz Jr hard punch.

I've also watched previous matches of Ortiz and I could say that he's aggressive and his punches are stronger than the viewer's expectations. He always throw punches surely and solidly.
Once he caught his opponent's weakness, he will constantly hit and punch with all his might and that's what Stanionis should be careful about. He needs to be technical and strategic in learning how to have a strong defense against Ortiz or else it will be another good record added to Ortiz.

I agree Ortiz is kind of scary in how he delivers his knockout punches I already posted Stanionis will be tested here because he has not faced someone like Ortiz, Stanionis can deliver an upset why not, but for him to get that upset he'll have to go through a lot of pain and take a lot of risks.
Vergil is the top guy to beat in the welterweight he should be in the spotlight because of his style and power, there are a lot of existing fights to consider in the welterweight division if only promoters will agree to let them fight the best in that division, hopefully, this year we'll see an Ennis - Ortiz- Crawford- Spence fights for the undisputed king of welterweight.

Stanionis style might closely resembles Kavaliauskas, tough rugged fighter from Lithunia, but obviously, Ortiz just smothered him with power punches that he has no answer and seems to quit the fight until referee Laurence Cole stopped the fight because Kava doesn't want to fight anymore because he has taste the power of Vergil already.

So might be the same strategy for Vergil, put up a show with his power and it's hard for Stanionis to counter. He should be like hit and then hug Vergil to not get him his momentum. But it's going to be a boring fight for us.

The fight might pushed for another date as there was another setback, Ortiz is now injured,


https://www.boxingscene.com/vergil-ortiz-falls-ill-wba-title-fight-versus-eimantas-stanionis-postponed-again--173465

So not sure if we are going to see this great fight though. We don't know what this undisclosed illness is, but prior to that Ortiz was diagnosed with rhabdomyolysis. It's a form or medical condition wherein the dead muscles are releasing toxins to his liver and kidneys.

And there is rumor that this undisclosed illness could be related to Peds or the cycle or recycle of it, again it's just a rumor and no one can confirm it.

^It is possible but remember Stanionis' tough and rugged style closely resembles that of Kavaliauskas, it was clear that Ortiz's power punches proved to be too much for him to handle. It could Stanionis' best efforts to counter and fight back, Ortiz's relentless assault proved to be too overwhelming, causing him to seemingly quit the fight and prompting the referee to stop it. But I have doubt Stanionis hopes to have a chance against Ortiz in their future fight, he may need to adopt a strategy of hitting and then hugging Ortiz to disrupt his momentum and avoid taking too much damage.

The first time I read about that kind of medical condition so I Google it and that illness is quite alarming


https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/rhabdo/default.html

Dos this means that Vergil overexertion in his training is the main cause of this, but the biggest question is can he still comeback from his good condition because Rhabdomyolysis can result in permanent disability we need more updates on this if they have detected it in an early stage he'll have a chance to comeback with zero negative effect, I hope that's the case.

according to the news I read, last year he had to postpone his fight against Michael McKinson due to his health condition:


source: https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/35988184/vergil-ortiz-jr-vs-eimantas-stanionis-bout-postponed

looking at the date range:

March 2022: He had to postpone fight because of health problems caused by rhabdomyolysis

March 2023: He had to postpone the fight due to health problems caused by the appendectomy

April 29: He had to postpone the fight due to health problems caused by the rhabdomyolysis

looking at the date ranges, it doesn't seem to me that he continues fighting is a good idea, I'm not a doctor, but this date range is due to the illness he's having, maybe it was a case of him retiring from fights, the doctor and who can say what he should or shouldn't do, but in those types of situations where the disease has appeared in a short period of time and knowing that it is a disease that may be related to the type of activity he does, then the doctor will be in front of of a big dilemma

fighters don't like to retire while they still see that their bodies have a lot of muscle, fighters' marketing agents only think about making money, they only see fighters as a source of money, just look at this:


even in a situation like this, they only think about making money with the fighter, Is something regrettable.

It's very hard to say what will be the cause of this medical condition, I'm no expert, but it could be inherited or yeah he might be overtraining and pushing his body to the limits and then its not responding to that kind of stress so his body deteriorate.

Hopefully, as he is still very young, he could recover back and so we will still see this fight in the future. He is a good prospect and his name has been popping around as the next champion in this division. And it's going to be a huge set back for him if he can't or become permanent disable because of this injuries. Hoping for the best for Ortiz.

Does Vergil has a conditioning coach he should have one and if he has one he should change his conditioning coach the conditioning coach is the one to oversee your body to absorb strain, Vergil wants to prove something that he deserves to be a great fighter that he overtrains himself, this is the second time he suffers from this condition its time if he recovers he should change the way he trains.
The body has limitations on what it can do and Vergil is too young to stop boxing he should learn to control his training we hope to see him fight again, he has huge potential to be a great boxer.

I'm not a doctor also but illnesses like these will take a toll on one's body the operations and the medicines will have an impact on the body I remember one of my cousins who do not want to have an operation and just
want to take medicines to cure his illness because the operation will make his body weaker and not the same anymore, he should take a long rest to heal his body from too much tension and training and he should get a nutritionist and conditioning coach to manage his training that is if his doctors will still allow him to box again.

There is a new date for this fight, July 8 at AT&T Center.


https://www.boxingscene.com/eimantas-stanionis-vs-vergil-ortiz-on-july-8-t-center-san-antonio--174615

So at least we will finally see this one, barring no postponement due to injuries to either parties. This should be one of the most anticipated fight as they will be fighting for the WBA belt.

And hopefully the winner will have a crack as Spence as both Stanionis and Errol is holding a current WBA welterweight belt.

We have waited for this fight to happen, and yes, finally we will have a new date for this one.

It's true, the name of this two boxers are right now behind Spence and Crawford. But they should have been given the chance to fight those boxers, specially Spence who seems to be docking the champion in his own division,  Eimantas Stanionis, don't ask me why they have two champions in WBA, that's how boxing politics is. If Spence can't defend it against his mandatory then he should be strip of the belt, simply as that. But that's not what this organizations are doing, because of corrupt practices. Anyhow, the underdog is still the favorite here, so again, this is a great fight for the 147 lbs. And either of them could be a good test for Crawford and Spence if they want to.

So the bets are going on Ortiz Jr with a knockout.

@OP Also better if you will update the date on the thread as well since we have a new scheduled date. As far as the winner here, yeah, the governing body should be allowed to fight Spence since his fight with Thurman is in limbo or at least there is no fight in the horizon for Spence this year. There's too much controversy around this 147 lbs, no superfight and then mandatory fights are not exercised by Errol Spence Jr and Terrence Crawford but they continue to hold the belt.

I'm not so familiar with these boxers, but looking at their records, I'm impressed with Vergil Ortiz Jr because he is undefeated and all of his wins have been via knockout. Are there any betting odds available for this particular fight yet? I checked one of the sportsbooks I use, but I couldn't find the betting odds for the fight. It's possible that, like other less popular fights, the odds for this one may not be readily available.

Yes, Vergil Ortiz has one of the best records in this division, and he is touted to be the next guy, the one that either Crawford and Spence going to pass the torch as the new face of the 147 lbs.

And then we have Eimantas Stanionis as the regular champion of the WBA although doesn't have the knockout percentage, but he can get the job done with his hard and grind kind of fight. He loves to break down his opponent and then just scoring as much as he can until they are broken down and ripe to get a knock out or win on the cards of the judges.

And with the fight already set between Spence and Crawford, hopefully we can see the winner of this fight fighting the winner of the Spence vs Crawford. Stanionis vs Ortiz is for the regular WBA belt, so it make sense that the WBA should only have one champion in their division because it really doesn't make sense to have to champions, Spence and then Eimantas.

But let's see, so far no hype in this fight as obviously we are looking at Spence and Crawford. But I think this one should also be in our calendar as this is just less than a month from now. Everyone is impressed on Ortiz Jr that this should be a must see fight for us.

For these who were waiting for this fight - bad news, it got cancelled again as Ortiz withdraws from fight just few day before it:
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/37970020/vergil-ortiz-jr-withdraws-bout-vs-eimantas-stanionis
It's getting ridicuous as fight got cancelled for 3rd time. I hope that Stanionis won't agree to fight with Ortiz again and these circumstances keeps him already 15 months without a fight.

Too bad, fans have been waiting for this fight, although Ortiz is the favorite hands down. We don't know though who to believed too, because the articles says that he can't make weight, that's why the postponement.

So GBP is now headlining Floyd Schofield Jr vs Haskell Lydell Rhodes.

In any case though, I think that Ortiz might be done, I mean he has rhabdomyolysis and now diagnosed with long COVID? very hard to recover if your body is not cooperating.

Yes, I've read about this as well. It's an unfortunate news for the Ortiz camp because their boxer might not participate in any fights anymore in the upcoming future because his disease is so rare that it's not given any priorities by the scientists to develop and find a cure for the disease so that any bearer in the future will carry less risks. I've read that almost all people who have undergone the treatment are experiencing some abnormalities in their kidneys which leaves them no options but to resort into dialysis.

Thanks for the information, so it's really complicated health problems for Ortiz now, I agree with what Oscar said, the health of their boxers is their priority right now. And maybe this disease is really targeting his immune system (I'm no doctor), so it's not a simple taking of drugs and Ortiz will be cured.

Lots of promises for this young boxer, we've even mentioned his name against a potential showdown with either Crawford and Thurman in the future. But with was has happening to him, we might not see this Ortiz fight anymore.

Yes, Ortiz's career is over as one of the very few boxers who have a perfect knockout record and is undefeated too, his career is gone too soon if ever he is cured he may not be the same Ortiz again, he has a good shot in the welterweight division as the present champions are getting older or moving up in a higher weight level, we all thought he is already cleared by his doctor, but I guess he needs a long treatment for whatever afflicting him, maybe after a year we'll hear from him he is too young to retire but he needs to recuperate and heal and it will take time.

Thanks for the update @LTU_btc.

And with that, I will have to lock this thread for good. Regardless if this is weight issue or Ortiz Jr really suffering from a rare condition that he has Covid-19 in his system and can't get rid of it because his immune body can't fight it, then I guess Dela Hoya made the right decision to cancel the fight again. Most likely this will be a career ending case for Vergil. He might come back after a few more months or years, but no assurance that he could be the same fighter as he has to fight his conditions not just physically but mentally as well. We can only hope that he can overcome all of this. Thanks to those who waited for this fight and comments on this thread. For sure majority here as disappointment just like me because this is going to be a great and exciting fight, but it is what it is.