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Title: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Fortune.st on March 09, 2023, 07:54:08 AM
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Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: coin-investor on March 09, 2023, 03:12:43 PM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

Join us now and experience the difference in simple Crypto gaming.

Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.

This is not new I've seen members here, some newbies posting their winning and even creating a dedicated thread and posting their strategy and winning, and it's added positive points for casinos where they play.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: GiftedMAN on March 09, 2023, 09:35:06 PM
The posted result is pretty surprising but I'm not too convinced seeing this since it looks like a business technique that can be tapped for promotion. It would be better if op open a thread for his casino so that those who might have used it can give comment based on there experience so other gamblers too can test the site to make bet. I would need to hear from people that had used the platform so I can make a quick decision on using it since there are many gambling platforms here with plenty options for us to select from.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: goaldigger on March 09, 2023, 09:37:50 PM
There’s no need to create another thread for this, you can just update your ANN thread and that could be good. That’s good to know that someone is winning on your platform, and probably it says that the site is fair but since this is a post that came from the team, many will doubt this one. Going back to your ANN thread, i got curious about this site i might try this one and see if its ok to play with.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Obari on March 09, 2023, 09:46:34 PM
I laughed the hell out of my self when reading this post @OP and I'm so sorry I had to say that because with all due respect I really want to know how serious you were when you said you wish more success for the player and for yourself because no one opens a business and wishes himself loss and it seems that's what you're doing ironically doing because from the tune in my head reading this post I could feel some tune of anger😁 just kidding.

I love the fact that you guys where bold and proud enough to share the winnings of a player which was against the house and this is something we have to encourage and I hope you post more of this if there are more winners than expected.
congratulations to the winner and I hope the winner can also take some time to post on here to confirm this winning just as a user over here said earlier.

Good luck


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Mahanton on March 09, 2023, 09:55:13 PM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

Join us now and experience the difference in simple Crypto gaming.

Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.

This is not new I've seen members here, some newbies posting their winning and even creating a dedicated thread and posting their strategy and winning, and it's added positive points for casinos where they play.
I do have the same thoughts too on which posting up some huge winning history without having those proofs which we know that it could be faked out or what.We arent saying that OP is indeed really not that honest
or something but for a new casino or platform then we cant really just avoid not to have those thoughts and assumptions.If there are people or a certain player who would really make out that
justification on the said win then it would really be that great but if not then this kind of show off those huge wins wont really be getting some positive input and people do get amazed on this
one since it could neither be true or not.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Kemarit on March 09, 2023, 10:13:32 PM
Good if someone win big in your casinos.

But it's better if the bettor himself post his winnings here, if he is not a member then it's better that they posted it in their ANN thread and not in this gambling board. Because it's pretty obvious that they are shilling for their own casinos and trying to proved that they are fair and are going to pay that huge amount on their gamblers. It could be a good strategy, but for me, it doesn't sound right.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: o48o on March 09, 2023, 11:18:49 PM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

Join us now and experience the difference in simple Crypto gaming.

Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.

This is not new I've seen members here, some newbies posting their winning and even creating a dedicated thread and posting their strategy and winning, and it's added positive points for casinos where they play.
Would that really make any difference if some newb account posted it? If we want to be skeptical for all we know it could be won by a dev himself and gambling big amounts so that betting history would have bigger bets. However i don't see any reason why OP would lie on this as it's not like it would be a big sum of money. I've seen way shadier casinos giving bigger sums out for real.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: serjent05 on March 09, 2023, 11:33:13 PM
I laughed the hell out of my self when reading this post @OP and I'm so sorry I had to say that because with all due respect I really want to know how serious you were when you said you wish more success for the player and for yourself because no wan opens a business and wishes himself loss and it seems that's what you're doing ironically because from the tune in my head reading this post I could feel some tune of anger😁 just kidding.

I think there is nothing to laugh about on the post of @OP.  This is a kind of marketing strategy of enticing readers to try their platform.  Even other reputable casino do this kind of marketing scheme.  They regularly announce players that just got a big win on their platform and it is also obvious that the casino is able to process this kind of winnings if it is trully won by a player since they publish it publicly.

I love the fact that you guys where bold and proud enough to share the winnings of a player which was against the house is something will have to encourage and I hope you pay more of this if there are more winners than expected.
congratulations to the winner and I hope the winner can also take some time to post on here to confirm this winning just as a user over here said earlier.

Good luck

But still I as one of the reply here, I hope the person who won the amount can confirm it and be able to withdraw the winnings.  It will add more strength to the marketing act.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: PX-Z on March 09, 2023, 11:42:55 PM
Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.
If the winner have an account here why not, but i don't think he will or so. If the screenshot is posted by OP is the winner's profile history page, he probably a huge bettor, considering he was just lost $7k bet and the win is just a normal win to him. Its just that it was the highest recorded win in the platform as for OP but who knows.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: AmoreJaz on March 09, 2023, 11:50:25 PM
Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.
If the winner have an account here why not, but i don't think he will or so. If the screenshot is posted by OP is the winner's profile history page, he probably a huge bettor, considering he was just lost $7k bet and the win is just a normal win to him. Its just that it was the highest recorded win in the platform as for OP but who knows.


not many high rollers have account here in btctalk. usually, we will hear from high rollers when they need to complain about their withdrawal. that's when they usually find this forum, just to post about their issues. otherwise, they are more than happy to bet without posting here.
high likely, that gambler have lost a lot also. he may have won such amount, but we don't know his losses to this site. but if nothing else, it shows that the site can handle such amount of winnings. some casinos would have trouble paying such gambler if he decides to withdraw this amount of winning.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 10, 2023, 04:08:03 AM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

How much did the player bet?

I laughed the hell out of my self when reading this post @OP and I'm so sorry I had to say that because with all due respect I really want to know how serious you were when you said you wish more success for the player and for yourself because no wan opens a business and wishes himself loss and it seems that's what you're doing ironically because from the tune in my head reading this post I could feel some tune of anger😁 just kidding.

I think there is nothing to laugh about on the post of @OP.  This is a kind of marketing strategy of enticing readers to try their platform.  Even other reputable casino do this kind of marketing scheme.  They regularly announce players that just got a big win on their platform and it is also obvious that the casino is able to process this kind of winnings if it is trully won by a player since they publish it publicly..

I think you are right, it is legitimate for the business to announce the big wins of the players, although I think it would be better if it is the player himself who does it, but I understand that it is funny for him, because those big wins attract those who are not aware of the mathematics of gambling. Big wins are improbable, and the bigger the win the more mathematically improbable, but at the same time it is what attracts people the most. EuroMillions jackpots with 100 million euros attract a lot of bets, even though the probability of winning it is approximately 0.



Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: cabron on March 10, 2023, 06:21:56 AM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

How much did the player bet?

I laughed the hell out of my self when reading this post @OP and I'm so sorry I had to say that because with all due respect I really want to know how serious you were when you said you wish more success for the player and for yourself because no wan opens a business and wishes himself loss and it seems that's what you're doing ironically because from the tune in my head reading this post I could feel some tune of anger😁 just kidding.

I think there is nothing to laugh about on the post of @OP.  This is a kind of marketing strategy of enticing readers to try their platform.  Even other reputable casino do this kind of marketing scheme.  They regularly announce players that just got a big win on their platform and it is also obvious that the casino is able to process this kind of winnings if it is trully won by a player since they publish it publicly..

I think you are right, it is legitimate for the business to announce the big wins of the players, although I think it would be better if it is the player himself who does it, but I understand that it is funny for him, because those big wins attract those who are not aware of the mathematics of gambling. Big wins are improbable, and the bigger the win the more mathematically improbable, but at the same time it is what attracts people the most. EuroMillions jackpots with 100 million euros attract a lot of bets, even though the probability of winning it is approximately 0.

It could be that OP himself won this $15,500.00 its justified LOL This is not FortuneJack which is popular already.
It's fair after all who else would promote thier own platform but themselves as well. There is nothing wrong with it as they need to do it to compete in this very harsh environment. 

On the other hand, I don't know what "Win Bonus of Dice Rolling" is in the image but so if the player won that $15k using the bonus coins, that's really a lucky player.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: BobK71 on March 10, 2023, 06:50:22 AM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

Join us now and experience the difference in simple Crypto gaming.

Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.

This is not new I've seen members here, some newbies posting their winning and even creating a dedicated thread and posting their strategy and winning, and it's added positive points for casinos where they play.
I support your statement. If such a post was made by a player and he won from here it would be considered ‍as credible. But it is not trust worthy if OP one of the authority of any site and create this kind of post. Also, I didn't know about OP's site before. All sites that are active in this forum that have ANN threads and they are conducting various campaigns for promotions. If OP take such steps then his site will definitely be able to gain good reputation.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: aioc on March 10, 2023, 08:58:17 AM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.

Join us now and experience the difference in simple Crypto gaming.

Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.

This is not new I've seen members here, some newbies posting their winning and even creating a dedicated thread and posting their strategy and winning, and it's added positive points for casinos where they play.
I support your statement. If such a post was made by a player and he won from here it would be considered ‍as credible. But it is not trust worthy if OP one of the authority of any site and create this kind of post. Also, I didn't know about OP's site before. All sites that are active in this forum that have ANN threads and they are conducting various campaigns for promotions. If OP take such steps then his site will definitely be able to gain good reputation.
They claimed to be a no-KYC casino and they offer a huge deposit bonus, you claimed one winner to win a huge amount so far you are looking great but you need to create a great impression and you can do this by launching a marketing campaign if you can pay out thousands of dollars on one winner as you claim, I guess launching a campaign will be easy and will put you in a radar of whales and put you out to be more competitive in the gambling industry.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Obari on March 10, 2023, 09:03:30 AM
I laughed the hell out of my self when reading this post @OP and I'm so sorry I had to say that because with all due respect I really want to know how serious you were when you said you wish more success for the player and for yourself because no wan opens a business and wishes himself loss and it seems that's what you're doing ironically because from the tune in my head reading this post I could feel some tune of anger😁 just kidding.

I think there is nothing to laugh about on the post of @OP.  This is a kind of marketing strategy of enticing readers to try their platform.  Even other reputable casino do this kind of marketing scheme.  They regularly announce players that just got a big win on their platform and it is also obvious that the casino is able to process this kind of winnings if it is trully won by a player since they publish it publicly.

There are several things to laugh about mate because basically if the winnings isn't a jackpot then I don't think it's wise for the casino to do the posting.
We've heard and seen news and stories of people making much more greater figure wins and even lost greater figures and recently, drake lost over $200k on a match bet on paul and we still moved regardless.
What I'm actually saying is that I actually laughed because OP said he wishes more win for the players and ironically wishing the house more losses and you could agree with me that no one runs a business with hopes of making losses.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Porfirii on March 10, 2023, 09:17:15 AM
Whoever wins that amount I hope he can post here and verify the winning I'm not comfortable that the owner or representative is the one posting it here, although there is nothing wrong with it.
If the winner have an account here why not, but i don't think he will or so. If the screenshot is posted by OP is the winner's profile history page, he probably a huge bettor, considering he was just lost $7k bet and the win is just a normal win to him. Its just that it was the highest recorded win in the platform as for OP but who knows.

I was thinking about that: if the winner has an account in Bitcointalk, chances are that he won't want to be known for it, multiplying the attack vectors  after being targeted as a highly probable wealthy person (no poor man bets so heavily). On the contrary, if he posted from a brand new account, how can we be sure that it was not posted by some impersonator or the OP himself?

We will have to live with the doubt. I personally tend to believe in these stories (call me naive, but chances to win national lottery are much lower and this still happens), but they alone are not enough to convince me to gamble in any certain platform.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: rhomelmabini on March 10, 2023, 09:21:12 AM
Is this suppose to be posted here in gambling discussion? I think it would be good to put it on your own casino thread or it would have been nice to see if the winner did post it. Let's say it's a legitimate win but you don't escape from the fact that there will be skeptical about it.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 10, 2023, 10:29:50 AM
Hopefully, one day I can win big money like him with small bets. But it seems that it won't be easy and requires more time to get that much money and great luck that can come at the right time. I think almost all casinos also have the opportunity to win a lot of money but it will depend on our luck.

So far, we only play gambling for fun and not chase victory, so it's better for us to treat gambling as it is. We will not consider getting that big win but enjoy playing gambling.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: xSkylarx on March 10, 2023, 10:36:53 AM
That's huge! That is really the dream of every gambler to win huge amount, i hope that the gamble who won those price is that he is very happy and able to manage it well for sure his financial problems if there is any will be solved by this. I am just curious if where this gambler right now if he is in the forum and just watching this thread lol. Also for OP it was great advertisement creating a thread about this showing off about someone to win to attract gamblers


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Daltonik on March 10, 2023, 11:57:16 AM
A player just won $15,500.00 in a single spin. This is the biggest win so far on our platform and we are looking forward to more success stories both for us and our players.
~

Well, you can congratulate the player on winning, but you have already reported this in your thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433016.msg61861837#msg61861837  I looked at your online casino website, of course it's good that there is no KYC and attractive conditions for wagering a deposit and a bonus of only 2x. But this is understandable, a casino without a license should somehow attract users, but it would really be better to report this here by the player who won.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Wexnident on March 10, 2023, 12:22:53 PM
inb4 they were also the one who lost the bet below. Congrats to him whoever they are though. Regardless of the amount of money they spent before hitting that big win, a big win is something to be happy with. I just hope they didn't spend it all back to gambling in the same session (if they were rich then well, doesn't really matter then). Rather curious what amount they bet with at what multiplier though, since if it was a big bet and a small multiplier then I guess it's something bound to happen. If it wasn't then damn that's really lucky (not familiar with the multiplier limits of Fortune so).


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Yatsan on March 10, 2023, 01:20:22 PM
inb4 they were also the one who lost the bet below. Congrats to him whoever they are though. Regardless of the amount of money they spent before hitting that big win, a big win is something to be happy with. I just hope they didn't spend it all back to gambling in the same session (if they were rich then well, doesn't really matter then). Rather curious what amount they bet with at what multiplier though, since if it was a big bet and a small multiplier then I guess it's something bound to happen. If it wasn't then damn that's really lucky (not familiar with the multiplier limits of Fortune so).
Players are well aware of this; winning does not occur on a daily basis and hitting a jackpot is already something to be remembered for a long time. Many players are ofcourse losing in a more consistent manner than winning. Beginner's luck is another story I guess but still related; they won't consistently win therefore, losses will still be the bottomline. Therefore, I think there's no need to emphasize that the winner OP have mentioned have lost that much of money before being on such instance and that is just fine as long as player's pocket could endure it. Will be always part of the game as we often say. They won't experience winning in the first place if they won't try and experience losing.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: piebeyb on March 10, 2023, 02:06:58 PM
I don't think it's good to also make lots of new threads just to announce the victory plus additional writings like a promotion, it's best to write them on the ANN thread specifically for your site, so there's no need to create new threads anymore, but it's a good way of promotion friends, at least if your site being able to pay that kind of money should be able to create a signature campaign event to get traffic from this forum without having to promote and create another new thread. hope this advice helps you  ;)


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 10, 2023, 03:02:54 PM
This is indeed a commendable win for a dice game, probably the first time I am seeing such a winning record for a dice game.

But like some others have said or suggested, I also would like to see a post from the winner of this bet, I would like to find out how much the gambler wagered before arriving at this amazing win, I believe it all boils down to that, because if the gambler have spent more or even close to this amount before winning this, though still commendable, but I see no reason advertising this as a big win.
Just my opinion though.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: molsewid on March 10, 2023, 03:04:21 PM
The posted result is pretty surprising but I'm not too convinced seeing this since it looks like a business technique that can be tapped for promotion. It would be better if op open a thread for his casino so that those who might have used it can give comment based on there experience so other gamblers too can test the site to make bet. I would need to hear from people that had used the platform so I can make a quick decision on using it since there are many gambling platforms here with plenty options for us to select from.
I agree, I think the OP is somehow related to the casino he is referring I don't know but it is my gut saying to me, we here in this forum cannot be easily swayed by the amount you are going to have or the amount you are able to make, if that casino is new and want to prove itself in this industry maybe if don't have a thread they could create one and be part of this forum.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: virasisog on March 10, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
The posted result is pretty surprising but I'm not too convinced seeing this since it looks like a business technique that can be tapped for promotion. It would be better if op open a thread for his casino so that those who might have used it can give comment based on there experience so other gamblers too can test the site to make bet. I would need to hear from people that had used the platform so I can make a quick decision on using it since there are many gambling platforms here with plenty options for us to select from.
I agree, I think the OP is somehow related to the casino he is referring I don't know but it is my gut saying to me, we here in this forum cannot be easily swayed by the amount you are going to have or the amount you are able to make, if that casino is new and want to prove itself in this industry maybe if don't have a thread they could create one and be part of this forum.

People on this forum are already skeptical when it comes to winning testimonies because who knows, it could just be a marketing strategy. It will be more reliable if the winner himself will testify about his winning story and not the casino owner or any person related to it.
However, if that's true, the player was so lucky because everyone here also wants to win such a big amount. That's the biggest prize I've seen so far in just a single spin.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: maydna on March 10, 2023, 03:54:47 PM
I expect a simple bonus, which is no wagering requirements to get this bonus. But it seems impossible because casinos also want to benefit from the bonuses they give gamblers. The bonus usually given by the casino is a bonus that increases the deposit amount several times, but there are wagering requirements that we must fill in one day or for a week. For people who have a lot of money or deposit large amounts of money, but for those who don't have a lot of money, of course, it will be very difficult to achieve it. Maybe @OP can give us choices about the bonuses that are in the plan so we can provide more input.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: 348Judah on March 10, 2023, 04:01:53 PM
OP i realized how important this kind of winning may be to your organizations but you should also considers it more appropriate if the winner can come onboard to testify for the claim on this, this would help gamblers believe in it the more and clear their doubts, but for the fact that someone win this amount doesn't mean it has been the highest casino winning we are to experience, but it can motivate others too but what keep them in staying with your casino is the kind of reputation you keep and maintain in getting the gambler's trust.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Cling18 on March 10, 2023, 04:18:39 PM
OP i realized how important this kind of winning may be to your organizations but you should also considers it more appropriate if the winner can come onboard to testify for the claim on this, this would help gamblers believe in it the more and clear their doubts, but for the fact that someone wins this amount doesn't mean it has been the highest casino winning we are to experience, but it can motivate others too but what keeps them in staying with your casino is the kind of reputation you keep and maintain in getting the gambler's trust.
It will have a bad interpretation if Op will be the one to testify for his casino and not the player hilself because it will look like he is promoting too much about his casino without proving that his proof is legit and trusted. Reviews and testimonies must come from the users and not from staff and owners. It's better to ask the winner to show off and share his winning story because that can boost the trust rate of the casino.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: fullhdpixel on March 10, 2023, 09:15:28 PM
The posted result is pretty surprising but I'm not too convinced seeing this since it looks like a business technique that can be tapped for promotion. It would be better if op open a thread for his casino so that those who might have used it can give comment based on there experience so other gamblers too can test the site to make bet. I would need to hear from people that had used the platform so I can make a quick decision on using it since there are many gambling platforms here with plenty options for us to select from.
I agree, I think the OP is somehow related to the casino he is referring I don't know but it is my gut saying to me, we here in this forum cannot be easily swayed by the amount you are going to have or the amount you are able to make, if that casino is new and want to prove itself in this industry maybe if don't have a thread they could create one and be part of this forum.
Isn't it obvious by looking at the OP's name? Fortune.st was a brand new crypto casino and the OP might be the owner of it if not their forum representative. The amount won't was just 15k USD and is not that surprising IMO because if you guys hang out on most casinos, you will see players who can bet higher than that but it will be more interesting if the OP showed the multiplier played by this winner.

I am curious if it's played on a low chance game or a high chance one? They already have an thread here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433016.0 . It wasn't always visible in the first page of the gambling board because other announcement threads are much active than them.


Title: Re: Biggest Win So Far at Fortune.st Casino
Post by: Johnyz on March 10, 2023, 09:54:52 PM
OP i realized how important this kind of winning may be to your organizations but you should also considers it more appropriate if the winner can come onboard to testify for the claim on this, this would help gamblers believe in it the more and clear their doubts, but for the fact that someone win this amount doesn't mean it has been the highest casino winning we are to experience, but it can motivate others too but what keep them in staying with your casino is the kind of reputation you keep and maintain in getting the gambler's trust.
That gambler might not here in the forum and it’s not necessary to post here just to prove the authenticity of this site.

Well, many site also post the winnings of their players to attract more gamblers, I see this as a practice already. Now if we want to know if the site is legit and ok to play with, let’s try to visit their ANN thread and their site as well, by that you can know if the site is good or not for your own standard.