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After reading many replies to my previous topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448471.0) regarding wagering requirements for withdrawing a no-bonus deposit , I noticed that many people are not aware of certain casinos that impose what can be considered unfair terms. Based on the suggestions I received I have compiled a list of some casinos with high wagering requirements, which I will continue to update over time with your assistance. It is important to note that some casinos do not publicly disclose these rules clearly, and I had to contact their live support to obtain more and exact information.

These terms applied to normal deposits (no-bonus deposits)

|	Casino Name	|	Required Wagering	|	Details	|
|	funclubcasino	|	x10-x30	|	10X wagering on slots and 30X wagering on table games if the player is playing on Deposit	|
|	Livecasino.io	|	>x5	|	wagering requirement of at least 5 times the deposit amount when player is suspected	|
|	Bitcasino.io	|	>x5	|	wagering requirement of at least 5 times the deposit amount when player is suspected	|
|	Sportsbet.io	|	>x5	|	wagering requirement of at least 5 times the deposit amount when player is suspected	|
|	thorcasino.com	|	>x5	|	wagering requirement of at least 5 (five) times the deposit amount	|
|	Trustdice.win	|	x5	|	In order to make a withdrawal you must wager 5x for the first deposit only, more details here in this repl (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448871.msg62469625#msg62469625)y	|
|	FortuneJack.com	|	x2-x5	|	x2 wagering requirements for normal users and up to x5 for suspected users	|
|	wildtornado.casino	|	x3	|	x3 wagering and sum of bets made on table games shouldn't be less than 10 times of deposit	|
|	megaslot.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal	|
|	BetChain.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal	|
|	Coinslotty.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal. Additional fees will be charged if users try to withdraw without completing the requirement	|
|	Roobet.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal	|
|	BetFury.com	|	×1-x3	|	The deposit has 1× wagering requirement on casino games and 3× wagering requirement on sports betting	|
|	Vave.com	|	×1-x3	|	The deposit amount must be wagered at least x3 for Casino/Live Casino bets and/or x1 for Sports bets prior to requesting a withdrawal.	|

Important note: I want to clarify that Im not attempting to discourage or accuse any casino published on this list. Rather I am compiling this information to make it more accessible for users.


                                                 Last update: 05/05/2023

I’m a bit confused. You say that casinos have wagering requirements to withdraw a no-bonus deposit. Does that mean if you deposit your own funds that they will not let you withdraw until you’ve gambled a certain amount? I could understand if it was for some sort of deposit bonus, but otherwise it sounds like you lose the second you make a deposit.

Livecasino only applies x5 wagering requirements when you are suspected coin mixing as per the terms and your table details. X1 is there standard wagering requirements which is unfair to list them along the casino that have a standard wagering requirements above x1. I play on livecasino a couple of times and I only bet x1 to withdraw my account.

Yppou will need to play a lot in the casino or withdraw immediately before completing x1 wagering requirement in able for your account to become suspected as coin mixing.


On Trustdice case yes because their bonus doesn't have wagering requirements.

That's surprising they have a condition only for those users using mixers. Sure they have thier reason.

This thread would seem to damage thier rep. This is not marketing stuff for the casinos but entraps gamblers to deposit and play more just so they could withdraw.


That's funny. They know bonuses are exploited so the bonuses are also used to bait.

Unwritten rule.

If you deposit a money into the casino, without taking any bonus or other promotion (Raw balance). Most of the casino applied with minimum 1x waggering requirement user to completed. It's a based unwritten rule, from casino to avoid money laundry.

That's why, some user are getting flag if they withdraw without passed the waggering from their total deposit. Example:
- Deposit : 200$
- I make a bet with 150$ and profit 150$ (I think is big for me)

Withdraw instantly, this is gonna to lead the system flag on their system to withdraw manually. So, the automatically system withdraw are not gonna to work

I was going to say Yes to Ognasty query, but after reading answers from other users, I am left confused 😕 again, so just wanna be certain.

Are you guys saying that if I make a deposit to a casino without claiming any bonus or promotion of any kind, that the wagering requirement is 1x for every casino?

I already know that it is mandatory to wager some part of ones deposit before one can request for withdrawal, but then, I am not sure of the amount or how much wager required...

This thread would be really useful to get to learn about different casinos and their wager requirement on raw deposit before one could withdraw.

I think that is what it means, most casino will not let you withdraw you deposit unless you wager at least 1x of the total amount.
Its a standard operations to combat money laundering through the casino by scammers who may take advatage of a no wagering to use casino to mix stolen founds and have them transfered to a different wallet.

Obviuosly i dont know how that works, technically but i believe there is high possibility for that, so casinos will not allow deposits to be withdrawn without wagering

For anti money laundering bs most casinos make you wager your deposited amount 1x. So, if you deposit .01btc you must wager .01btc before being able to wd. The list in the OP is talking about normal deposits with 0 bonuses attached. Those casinos want you to wager 3 to 30 times your deposit amount. In most cases you will lose your ass playing on a casino with these kinds of terms.

It's exactly as I mentioned before unfortunately.  Many users are not aware of certain terms when depositing the minimum amount at a casino such as this one. And most casinos require a wagering of the deposit, especially for no-bonus deposits. For bonuses the wagering requirements can go up to x100. However for no bonus deposits most casinos only require a maximum of x2 wagering or even less. While others they may require a higher terms. That's why I thought to create a list of casinos that have high wagering requirements for deposits.
What seems like unfamiliar condition to withdraw even with well known casinos is simply that most of gamblers never made it to withdraw, we lose before requesting a withdrawal.

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All i did is reading their T&C (https://livecasino.io/help-center/help-terms-and-conditions/terms-and-conditions), i didn’t find anything about x1 wageing, Maybe i missed reading it but what i obviously see is the condition for suspected users that will have to wager at least x5 their deposit

Are those considered high? Because those look normal numbers to me. I don't often try to get bonuses but when ever i tried to those are the requirements. Come to think of that's why i don't hunt for bonuses anymore. But i might if i knew there might be better deals.

But if they are not i would like to see a list of casinos with low wagering requirements as in comparison. Preferably list of older casinos with high trust rating.

Edit: oh you was talking about no-bonus deposits. I misread. That's tough but are those for all deposits or first one? Because if i remember correctly i had to do that in some places once for legal reasons and i was clear.

If this is the case then @OP should edit his wagering requirement for Livecasino.io since the one stated is somehow misleading and make newbies and other players that their standard wagering requirement is greater than 5x. 


I think it should be written as

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Casino Name

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Required Wagering

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Details

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LIVECASINO.IO

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1x to x5

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1x for normal wagering requirement and at least 5 times the deposit amount when suspected of coin mixing

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We should be responsible for sharing the right information especially when we are creating thread topics like this.  This can be a reference to players who are looking to avoid high wagering requirements for fund withdrawal so we should at least be responsible in giving correct information and not just quoting partial information that suits our topic.  This may cause a loss to the listed casino since the player will surely avoid these listed high wagering requirement casinos which I think is unfair to those that have originally have 1x wagering requirement but has conditional terms for those who are suspected of coin mixing.

LOL, you should encourage people not to use all this shit as these casino is literally forcing you to lose your money. Requiring 5x on no bonus deposit is quite a stupid idea; well, they want you to lose everything you deposited. Encourage everyone to avoid them. Don't get biased because there are few known casinos on the list.

I guess it's a system to create an excuse to steal other people's money. Someone got a big win & wants to withdraw? Make them a suspected coin mixer and require 5x wagering so that they can lose the whole deposit in the casino.

There are several casinos that wouldn't even allow you make withdrawals even on a no bonus deposits and one major reason why casinos wouldn't let people make withdrawals immediately after deposit is because they are trying to Fight against money laundering and fraudulent activities through their casinos and platforms.
If we can recall in the past that most of this drug Lords always channel their money through casinos making it difficult for people to track their wealth because when asked, they would simply just say that it was gotten from gambling and that was one major reason why kyc was also Introduced into th gambling industry.

although you have that x1 wagering requirement but we need to know it clearly and they should add it to their T&C because they even added the x5 wagering requirement to their T&C
so they need to add it to make the user clearly understand about that

Exactly what I'm doing here which is sharing accurate information only, and for that reason I can’t state that Livecasino.io has x1 wagering on that list when I don't know where you found that information ( unless you meant that x1 signifies no wagering requirements ) sinceit's not mentioned on their website. Livecasino.io only mentioned x5 wagering on their Terms and Conditions page for suspected users of coin mixing. To be fair even their live support ( you can see my conversation with them or have a new one with them (https://postimg.cc/gallery/kRv4gv3) ) couldn't provide any exact information about it.
As a new user joins and agrees to their T&C, they may not know precisely what will happen when they make a deposit and try to withdraw we would like to see a better and clear terms about this.

Some casinos or in fact, many casinos don't have it in their terms you just found it out later or you have to go through support to ask for the wagering requirements, wagering requirements are standard for every casino it's a safety net, and requirements so it will not fall to money laundering, the 1x wagering requirement is already good but 5x is quite high unless you are comfortable with that rules and just come here to play and have fun,
all I know is the longer you play the lower your chances to win because the house edge will come to play so it's better to play on casinos with a lower requirement but of course, reputation counts first.

This could certainly help gamblers around here to be more aware of the wagering terms of those casinos.

However, even of your objective is not to discourage anyone from gambling on those places, obviously this may do exactly that, whether that is your intention or not. Still you are not doing anything but reporting public information from their terms of services.
Just be careful to check those wagering requirements are completely factual because, I did not expect one of those casinos listed here to have such a strict policy on wager.

In the best case scenario this might help to keep a healthy competition among them.

I also support this information this will help players access casinos' wagering requirements as long as the information is factual and true there are players who are concerned about casinos' requirements and they check different casino requirements on wagering.
And with all the information you provided and will be provided more you will make things easy for them, although I have already given opinions on casinos requiring high wagering requirements I do not want to question them they have their reason and I believe they can justify it.
But lower wagering of casinos plus a good reputation is a good pick for gamblers.

Good idea to have the above list, but it would be nice if you can add an additional column to place the link of an image or direct link to the terms of the casino related to the wagering requirement before players are allowed to withdraw. Anyway from the listed casinos above, I only know the first 2 casinos and I have never heard about the other 4 casinos. I also think this thread will be more useful if you can have a complete list of all crypto casinos with their wagering requirement so it wont just a list for those casinos with high wager requirement.

Interesting list. Is there a list of casinos out there that don't have any wagering requirements? Off the top of my head, only freebitco.in but I'm sure there are more.


A complete list? How many casinos can that be? Apart from those advertised on the forum there are many others.

While I believe that it is your personal experience that motivates you to create such thread , was wondering if there is still playing in that Funclubcasino? x10 and x30 wagering requirement ?

I have just learn from your previous thread about trustdice having that x5 wager , and now livecoin is also having this requirements  , but thanks for this thread as now I know which sites I need not to deal with in my future search for another casino to play since I have plenty of good and fair casino in my list .

I think at least a complete list of popular and reputable casinos in this forum, if the list include the small and unknown casino, it will be time wasting and these casino might scam, usually they will give a better offer or promotion.

I'm surprised if Livecasino is still want to accept coin from mixer, most casinos usually return back the coin to original address or they will confiscate the funds and terminate the gambler's account. They should be have a reason why they accept it, because they're regulated casino and they need to being honest when the regulation become more strict.

I see the reason why they have used this requirement is to make sure that all deposits and those who use their platform are intended for gambling, not mixing or money laundering. In fact, it is not quite a normal activity to see after having the deposit, they withdraw their funds back to another wallet. If some people are considering this is too unfair, I know they never understand what the casino are trying to do as they don't want to get involve into criminal activities and they don't want to ruin their reputation.

I suggest that you keep this thread moving by adding more casinos' wagering requirements we are used to reading 1x or x2 wagering requirements but I'm surprised that there are casinos with 5x requirements and this one really caught my attention x10 - x30 seriously, this particular casino in your list do not have a presence here in Bitcointalk but if they do we'll have to call them out, it's like players will have a very low chance of withdrawing their winnings.

I'm sorry but despite them trying to prevent money laundering, there is nothing that can justify requiring a 10X-30X wagering requirement for a no-bonus deposit. they are basically forcing their gamblers to give all their money to them with that wagering requirement for a no-bonus deposit.

I think am well familiar with only two of the list OP has mentioned from the ones he presented, wagering varies alot and trust dice is one of the most reliable casino which not only it wagering that got gamblers interested on their casino but many other essential qualities that could serve as extra advantage for them to enjoy, i hope to see a list of few ones that also requires low wagering on their casinos.

Most of the casino nowadays requires x1 wagering on the deposit but there is still some casino that you can withdraw your balance with just a few bets like Blackjack.fun withou facing any consequences. But doing it frequuwill surely flagged your account mixing tokens only so you should wager at least x1 of your deposit in any casino to be safe for a possible mixing accusations.

It's case to case basis on wagering requirements for deposit and its important to always read the KYC/AML to make sure on what’s the minimum requirements of the casino.

This is a good thread IMO. Personally, the wagering requirement is one factor that I need to consider before depositing any amount to a casino. So to me, this is nice.

What are the factors that need to be met to determine the amount of wagering requirement in Thorcasino? Did they mention it?

Almost all casinos have wagering requirements, its rare to have 1x or fewer wagering requirements tho.

This is a wagering requirements list for deposit and not for bonus so having a greater than x1 wagering requirements on deposit should be the rare one and not the fewer. Most of the casino have x1 or less wagering requirements for deposit. This is my first time to see a casino that has x5 wagering requirements on deposit without any active bonus which is sucks because there is no option to withdraw safely unless complete the x5 wager which is difficult for normal gambler.

@OP, I read the Livecasino ToS, And there's no define wagering requirement except on what you find for suspected mixing coins. I will try to brought up this to the team to make the ToS clear for deposit wagering requirements but as a regular, I can withdraw my balance even if I didn't complete the x1 wagering requirement.

Most likely it's just the new gamblers who aren't aware of the wagering requirement for deposit and the ones that still have their money stuck in the casino.

It should be the opposite though right? because if it's that rare then the list should've been longer and we would've seen more familiar casinos mentioned in the list.

Is this real? Never heard about this casino, is it crypto casino or fiat casino or both fiat + crypto casino?
Perhaps adding the official link to the casino will be helpful for readers to check the casino by visiting the casino.
If this 10x-30x does really exist, I wonder how many players are there who want to play with an insane wagering requirement for deposit without bonus.
Surprisingly I have never heard any complain about this casino in this forum, maybe because they do not have ANN thread in this forum.

It's my first time hearing about the casino as well but honestly, there are really casinos that would ask for more than a 10x wager requirement. I played in one casino before which I'm not sure if they still exist where they ask for a 20x wagering requirement because lots of players have abused their free spin bonuses but there were only a few players that deposit on them. Maybe those who are for high wagering amounts also have valid reasons and I'm sure that they only want to keep their business running.

Actually, there is no written wagering requirements on the ToS which only mean that they doesn't have any wagering requirements to withdraw. But ofc you will be suspected mixing if you withdraw immediately right after you deposit. Their x5 wagering requirements for suspected violating their AML policy through mixing is fair punishment and safety protocol to avoid crime under their nose.

The list should be plain standard wagering requirements and not including the special case if you want to make it a valid list for high wagering requirements.

it's quite the opposite most casinos that have announcements here in BTT have only x1 or x2 wagering requirements and that's why the list is short and hopefully these casinos will consider changing their rules and listen to us.

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I wouldn't include Livecasino on the list given that I have checked their requirements for no bonus deposit withdrawal and also had a conversation with their live chat here  (https://postimg.cc/gallery/kRv4gv3) who only mentioned the x5 requirements for coin mixing. Until I can confirm their exact rules I think it would be better to leave the list like this for now.

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Im not sure whether it would be better to add all crypto casinos, arranged from lowest to highest requirements. I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter so that I can begin updating the list.

I don't think it's necessary to add them all since almost everyone in this forum are aware of the wagering requirements of popular crypto gambling sites based on what I observed.

Stick to adding only those sites whose wagering requirements are x2 or higher. Also, good stuff op!

I just wondering if you already did that? because just in case others use made a deposit and didn't complete the x1 wager and then asked to wager more.
but since you will talk to their team about this problem so it will be good if they make it clear :D

I go with this suggestion as well, adding all the casinos from the lowest to the highest in terms of wagering requirements would take alot of time, and also consume great space, which could make the op become boring to read.
So it's better to only add casinos with 2x wagering requirements and above, this would make a shorter and neater list, just make sure to arrange the casinos in descending order, that is from the lowest to the highest wagering requirement.

This casino was some of the trusted crypto based casino with high wagering in current market condition. Trustdice running a long run campaign because of being a good casino to pay the forum people in long run. The OP had mentioned various websites and his wagering. It was a good motive to help the other gamblers. By the wagering, you can know the capacity of the Casino website, So the company capacity to give the winners price can be know from the bank balance of that casino. It’s essential one for the people to check the wagering and bank balance of the certain gambling sites before using it to use your money on that site. It’s not a free money to use on all the websites without investigating.

I don't think even the casino affiliate sites will be able to claim that they have a complete list. Everyday there are casino/sportsbooks are launching and they have several bonuses so keeping an up to date data is very difficult in fact impossible.

5x. 10x, 20x, 30x wagering requirements are BS. 1x is doable but when it becomes more even 2x is difficult too. I would like to see casinos with maximum 2x wagering requirements. So the visitors can quickly check and join the casino to claim the bonus.

 

Sure they have the reasons and are certainly things that their staff have consider both the advantages and the disadvantages. That is out of question, each casino owner is supposed to take the decision they believe to be more fit for their platform.

This thread is just an exercise of transparency so people can compare by their own how licensed casinos deal with money laundering and coin mixing using different approaches, beyond this thread and the comments of people, increasing or decreasing those wagering requirements are only in the power of the staff. This a open market after all.

Good suggestion, the list of casinos can be arranged in descending order from lowest to highest for easy viewing of the high stakes list at each casino, the list of casinos for wagering x5-10 in my opinion is very unfair for service to new users and at least 1-2x the bet enough for the bonus withdrawal requirements, so the list of casinos above must update the wagering requirements for withdrawal, they must provide easy service for their users.

^Definitely right, we will wait for the update.
For a neater look, it should be separated the withdrawal and the bonus requirements and from the lower requirements to the highest requirements as suggested above. Another suggestion is, do not to include a casino that did not exist here in the forum, I think those actively promoting it here would be the best choice.

I think that is not about receiving a deposit from mixer but rather the depositor make their platform as a mixer in order to clean the history of the coins deposited on the platform.  But just like what the other reply here stated, this can be used as an excuse to prevent players from withdrawing their fund from the platform.  But still it is a matter of debate because people who deposit funds in gambling platform to play doesn't mind the wagering requirement because they will meet them eventually while playing on the platform while those who wanted to mix their coins will always find this annoying. (though there are players that wanted to gamble a little then withdraw as soon as they get a good amount of profit)

You are right, many people are unaware of this particular term that some casinos have. And I am sure that some casinos don't have clear rules about this.
I never played in casinos from the list you provided, and to be honest, this is the first time I see that some casinos ask for more than x2 rollover for the deposited amount before withdrawing. X3 is crazy, and x10-x30 is unbelievable. It's some AML policy, and I guess some casinos need to compile some regulations, but this is ridiculous.

Nice share definitely. I will keep an eye on this thread... I don't wish to get trapped with my deposit and to be forced to wager some crazy amount just to be able to withdraw.

After knowing the hidden requirements for withdrawal then we never expected the casino to specify more than x3 to activate the withdrawal button, it's ridiculous that we only withdraw funds from our account balance but the casino arranges rules that are unfair to us, so hope every casino above should review again the rules above and better immediately revise for fair rules for gamblers.

I agree with you, a fixed wagering requirement in case of suspected misconduct is far safer for users than a scammy endless KYC that no one is able to pass. Unfortunately many unprofessional crypto casinos, including the biggest ones, don't hesitate to scam unwary customers by using the AML excuse to seize their funds. So this kind of rule is actually a good point for a casino IMO.
 

KYC serve its purpose for the good sites, and we know that fraud really exist in gambling.
Well, having a fixed wagering requirements can be a good one but that doesn’t mean your account can’t be audited or ask anymore. Most of the wagering requirements is not that high and easy to achieve, the site should make a clear rules with regards to this one and inform the players if there’s a changes.

For the good sites? What do you mean precisely? What do you call fraud in gambling exactly? Except through fixed matches which only concern sportsbooks I don't know what fraud you can commit at gambling. Yes it certainly doesn't mean your account can't be audited and more can be asked but it's very less likely to happen which such kind of requirement. I agree with you 5x it's not very high and easily achievable though.

Freebitco is simply not only a casino or in fact, it's not a casino. It was designed with many other features. If I'm correct, they act as bank and offer interest on the savings LOL. Therefore, you must not mess up freebitco with other traditional casino.
I can't remember if there's any single casino which offer no wagering requirements on no bonus deposit.

this is a good list that can even be useful for beginners so that there are no more mistakes before they make a deposit and play, sometimes there are many cases where people cannot withdraw their money because they have not met the requirements as stated in this list. many are trapped due to ignorance, usually tempted by bonuses so most people are too hasty to make deposits without knowing the real casino requirements that are not listed on the website such as trapping
but I hope the OP adds some more to the list as a lot of casinos are active on this forum too.


As a gambler I also wanted to know more to test some casinos and maybe it can be useful also as a reference if someday a newbie in this forum is confused about this problem. i can point them to this thread.    ;)

I think people should not support any of the casinos that use tactics like this to lure people to their casinos. It is unethical in my opinion to create a false scenario where it looks like you are getting something for free, but you implement measures to get it all back.  ::)

These silly promotions are a total waste of time and people should just opt out on joining these casinos. I have never won anything from the deposit bonus that these casinos offered me.  :(

Totally agreed. What a real sucker on this casinos that is worst than bonus wagering requirements is deposit wagering requirements has no way to forfeit in able for the deposit to be withdrawn without completing the requirements. Players are force to bet until the high wagering requirements met which we all know that mostly it will make players loss since all gambling games is designed to make players loss in the long run through house edge.

This thread open my eyes on this kind of trick which I’m not aware that exist aside from the regular x1 wagering requirements from the casino.

Here's another casino very overrated wagering, on first deposit bonus, first deposit bonus is 100%. wagering x50 but a big list of excluded games .... And you have to do it in 24 hours. https://wintomato.com/en/promotion/deposit_bonus https://i121.fastpic.org/big/2023/0416/dd/d55aa10756697edb63fd175db33bcedd.png (https://fastpic.org/view/121/2023/0416/d55aa10756697edb63fd175db33bcedd.png.html)

This topic is not about wagering requirement for deposit bonus, it is for deposit without bonus.
Related to the casino you are referring to (wintomato), their wagering requirement for deposit without bonus is x2 as quoted below:

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@OP Since you have livecasino in your list, maybe you can also add bitcasino because they are under the same management and as I can see the terms for this case is the same.

I don’t think bonuses wagering requirements are that important beside that each and every bonus have a different rule that can be very high, impossible and limited. On the list we will have only the casinos with high wagering requirements for no bonus deposits . Don’t hesitate to share any crypto casino that you find with excessive terms of withdrawing.

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Thank you for your help, the list has been updated now and i will keep searching for more casinos. I hope that the team behind these casinos will make the terms of wagering clearer for us so that players can be certain that they will not encounter different rules every time they attempt to withdraw.
To be honest, it is very annoying whether you have made profits or lost a part of your deposit to be unable to withdraw without risking more.
Everyone here agrees on how bad these rules are so hopefully we will see a change soon.

This list will give an overview for new players to look at before they deposit to these casinos.
However, I noticed that a lot of popular and top casinos found in the forum is not on the list.
But it doesn't mean, you don't need to read their terms when it comes to withdrawal.
Always best to check their ToS especially on their deposit and withdrawal terms.
High wagering requirements usually will stop some players to play on the site, as we all know, before you even complete the half of it, your bankroll is already long gone.

Casinos? They're businesses, folks, and they want to make money. Big money. It's annoying for gamblers, feeling like the odds are against us. The urge to skip the bonus and hit the tables? Intense, especially with strings attached. But what if there's a better way?

Picture yourself as a pirate hunting treasure. The bonus: It's your map to the gold. It might be confusing, but once you get it, you're sailing to the jackpot! And even if you don't win bigly, you had a fantastic adventure.

So, next time you're choosing between a bonus or not, remember: it's not just cash. It's the experience, the thrill, and maybe striking it rich. Who knows? You might even learn to navigate the casino seas like a pro

The problem isn't in not allowing withdrawal directly after the deposit, but the issue is that some of the casinos are asking for very high wagering requirements for the deposited money, to prevent money laundering and other frauds, a 1x wagering requirement along with KYC should be enough, there is no need for a very high wagering requirement to stop that.

A casino that requires their users to wager their deposited amount at least 5 times or more is simply not allowing them to withdraw the money at all because anyone would lose the money if they go for completing a wagering requirement that high.

It is the ease of depositing and withdrawing your funds afterwards that matters. As always there are no hitches to deposit in most of the casinos but the conditions begin during the time of withdrawal. So it is better for a gambler to do a review on the withdrawal pattern of casino that they want to bet on. If a casino has clearly stated KYC in their ToS and you don't like that,it is better to avoid it. Worse is a casino stating 5x wager before withdrawal of your money, that is out of it because there is no way you can learn to navigate the casino seas like a pro.  ;D

Lol, the part about the wagering requirement is so true, no matter how professional you consider yourself to be, you are probably going to lose everything before you meet the 5x wagering requirement if that's a requirement before you can withdraw, since gambling is mainly based on your luck and not your professionalism and how you surf the casino and its games.

A casino with such a requirement is simply stealing money from its gamblers in the name of a requirement that is nearly impossible to be met, it is understandable to have multiple x wagering requirements for bonuses but not for the deposited money itself.

The withdrawal transaction process is an important aspect that gamblers must know before using a casino site because withdrawals are a service that must always be a priority for the casino.
By reading the Tos and looking at the reviews we can find out if the casino has instant withdrawals and whether there are other conditions needed to make a withdrawal as you have mentioned.
But by the way I laughed again when I read what you mentioned about the 5x wagering requirement to withdraw the winnings. :D
It's a ridiculous requirement that doesn't make sense.

Thank you for sharing this. This is a big help for new players but did you notice only few or rare of the reptuable gambling site have restriction like this one? was it because the unknown gambling sites are more cautious and wanted to follow the rules or requirements given by their license provider? I think that kind of requirements for the deposit is not good.

The list is good not only for the beginners of crypto/gambling but also for the experienced people like us because some of us are not a customer of the casinos listed by the OP and are planning to play on them some day. By reading the information shown here, we already know if what can we expect from those casinos.

Mistakes can still happen sometimes even not specifically in wagering or withdrawals. That is something that can't be avoided but we can only hope that the damage is not going to be severe. Another reason on why a gambler can't withdraw his money is because they did a violation. I'm referring to hacks, frauds and cheats. Well, gamblers like this deserve it.

days ago I saw these casinos with these abusive requirements and I was wondering the following: how can these casinos that do this not be considered that they are stealing customers indirectly. we should ask these casinos how many people have deposited at the casino and managed to meet these absurd requirements and made withdrawals. because in my opinion I believe that out of 100 customers who deposit money in these casinos only less than 5 customers will be able to meet these requirements and will be able to withdraw money and even those 5 customers will be forced to have to go through KYC so I think it's not about laundering of money that these casinos created these rules

these casinos know very well that no one can meet x30 and then be able to withdraw, this type of high requirement will make people addicted to games of chance because the person will make a deposit at the casino, then win, but even so he will still not be able to withdraw the amount he won, he has to play more at the casino and when spending a lot of time in the casino playing to fulfill x30 the person will lose everything and obviously he will put more money in the casino to play and recover he will lose everything

I advise all people not to use these casinos that are in these rules because they are clearly rules created with the sole purpose of retaining people's money, these casinos have no intention of paying customers, they only intend to see customers losing everything in the casino

What I know is that; registered or licensed gambling site has higher wagering requirement not only because of the rules but also to make up with the amount they are paying for their license. Unfortunately, small gamblers won't be able to always comply with it given that not all has the financial capacity which is also the reason why they tend to engage with new gambling sites which offers bonuses and rewards, wherein fraudalent platforms take advantage of. Quite of a domino effect right? But that's just how things work not only in this industry but also with other platforms. Some platforms are even requiring 10% if I remember it correctly, for a wagering requirement, I forgot what platform was that as discussed to other topic in this forum. Anyhow, they can set their own rules in the first place and for sure they have an exchange to it such as the service and security they provide.

Are you talking about the wagering requirement for bonuses? Because 30x or sometimes even 50x is asked only for the bonuses given on top of a deposit, but the casinos listed here are those who have insane wagering requirements for even your own deposited money, which for most casinos is only 1x but these casinos have 3 or 5x wagering requirement for deposited money.

The motive behind such a rule can be nothing else than to keep the players gambling until they lose everything which happens in most cases and might not happen only to a few, so it's a win-win for the casino since even if a player manages to win something, they will lose it back eventually trying to complete the wagering requirements.

You should change the "no-bonus deposit" statement as it will create confusion here. You may use "for withdrawing normal/regular deposits" instead of it. Anyway, the list isn't completed yet. And you haven't updated it since last two weeks. I can help you to finalise the list if you want. Will you only add those casinos in the list which have at least 3× wagering requirement on normal deposits?

This is how most casinos and gamblers refer to a normal deposit without a bonus. This term is clearer than "regular deposit" in my opinion because it is rare to find a casino that doesn’t offer deposit bonuses. And beside that the term I used can be found in the T&C of most casinos while searching about how much wagering you need before requesting a withdrawal.

To update the list I would appreciate it if someone could share the casinos with a wagering requirement of 3x or more, and I will add it to the list. As many users have suggested, it is best to only include casinos that are discussed on Bitcointalk. I couldn’t find more than what’s in the list for now.

I agree with you on that one. If you've ever played at an online casino before, you know exactly what "no-deposit bonus" means. Using any other term would just create unnecessary confusion.


I remember you mentioned having a bad experience with a casino's wagering requirements. I'm totally with you on publicly calling out those kinds of platforms - it's just not fair to the players. I'll definitely take a look at any other platforms I've come across and give you the heads up if I find any more that fall into that sketchy category.

Researching casinos without regular incentives is uncommon, and betting on these online casino games without bonuses is an absolute no-no. As consequently, bonuses encouraged players to put in more effort when playing casino games, checking out the odds that makes the double fold of the capital invested. Adding to the list mentioned, if something goes wrong and it is not disclosed in the thread, the OP will hold you liable because you are the one who recommended a gambling site with bonuses. Casino with wagering requirements are plenty, all you have to do is to follow the mentioned ones already and sort out the alternatives.

I'd agree, now that most of the top casinos are offering so many rewards, gamblers would prefer to play in casinos that have the same characteristics. There's nothing wrong about gamblers playing without bonuses because not all gamblers are mainly gambling for the bonuses and not all deposit bonuses are worth risking as sometimes it can even hold you back if you're not careful. Anyway, I don't see the need to blame OP as much when he's doing his best to increase the visibility of these requirements since it's a hassle to go through the casinos one by one.

I avoid gambling bonuses as much as I could as the conditions of usage before the money could be withdrawn are always not palatable. This makes me wager my money and I do this with good plans and don't have issues like many would be complaining about with casinos.

Also, it will be ill of anyone to blame the OP, to me, the guy is creative to have thought towards that angle, and things like this are common on the internet to help people easily select their choice. And any company that deems exposed should then adjust its terms and conditions if need be.

I have a problem with bonuses on some gambling platforms, they aren't worth my time and I only knew this after trying them, I have heard a series of good stories about how people make some money from bonuses but not me, and now I just take my eye off any bonus offers from any online gambling platform.

It's better to focus on how to make money from online casinos instead of the bonuses they offer, it's only a marketing strategy and most times there is always more to the offer then plan to give up to new users.

Enjoy your games and pray for some luck 🎲  

Did you mean after you're focus on how to make money through online casino, it's worked for you? ;D

Gambler who make money from the bonuses, usually they're already experienced and can find a loophole to win. They're started by trying each promotion or bonus, when they already know how the bonus or promotion work, they will avoid the not worthy one and choose the one which has higher possibility to earn. Remember, even though it's a marketing strategy, some people can take advantage over it.

It's very rare to find people who win money from bonuses offered by the casinos since the wagering requirements are so high that one will end up losing everything only in the process of trying to meet those requirements. One might even lose their deposited bankroll in that process before completing the wagering requirement of a certain bonus.

Though it's not good to focus on how to make money from casinos or gambling, one should not chase bonuses since it's basically not worth it due to the very high wagering requirements imposed by the casinos on the bonuses provided.

I haven't seen any casino to address the normal deposits as 'no-bonus deposit'. Anyway, this is your thread where everything depends on your choice. I have seen a lot of replies in this thread which are based on the deposit bonus and it's wagering requirement. While this thread is about the wagering requirement of normal deposits.

You can add a warning message with bigger font size at the top of your main post. It could be effective to reduce the unnecessary discussions about the deposit bonus wagering requirement.

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Most of the casino has 0× to 1× wagering requirement on the normal deposits (no-bonus deposit). I have checked the rollover/wagering requirements of 35+ crypto casinos today. I found only 5 gambling site where the rollover requirement is at least 3×.

|	Casino Name	|	Required Wagering	|	Details	|
|	Bitcasino.io	|	1×-5×	|	Usually users are able to withdraw with no requirements, but there is 5× wagering requirement in case of suspicious activity.	|
|	BetChain.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal	|
|	BetFury.com	|	×1-x3	|	The deposit has 1× wagering requirement on casino games and 3× wagering requirement on sports betting	|
|	Coinslotty.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal. Additional fees will be charged if users try to withdraw without completing the requirement	|
|	Roobet.com	|	x3	|	Any deposit has to be wagered 3 times before the withdrawal	|

You are very correct bud, wagering requirements placed on withdrawals is another sneaky way casinos reap most gamblers off, I've seen a situation where a gamblers deposit $100 to a casino and claimed some deposit, can't tell if it's a deposit bonus or some other type of bonus, he gambled with the bonus, until every penny was gone, he started gambling with his main deposit which is $100, he gambled until the balance remaining was about $32, then he tried to withdraw the $32, he was told that his minimum withdrawal is $150, he had no choice but to continue gambling in hopes that he could get lucky and win up to the minimum withdrawal amount as stated by the casino, he eventual lost every thing. Both his deposit and the bonus he claimed..
And this made me ask myself, what exactly is the essence of claiming a bonus when it does not bring the gambler any profit, but rather, cause the gambler to later lose their own money along side the claimed bonus..

They arent really that worth of your time since it would really just hinder you out if ever you would like to withdraw since there are still some wagering requirement which it would be most likely leading you up
on getting being busted along the process.This is why no matter how good their bonus it, there's no way that it would really be giving out some doubts which you do know on what these bonuses is all about
or what are their purpose. Yes, it could give out that huge bankroll but on the requirements or criterias which you would be needing to follow out then it would really be giving out doubts
that you shouldnt have taken it earlier.

For casinos then it would be normal that they would really asking or putting withdrawal requirements for any deposits.We know that they are regulated which means that
they would really be following on to those regulations and money laundering would be always the case.

@GxSTxV here are two other casinos I could find.

fortunejack.com:

https://i.ibb.co/cKBJcL0/Terms-and-Conditions.png (https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions)

vave.com:

https://i.ibb.co/wKqZ2pT/Terms-and-Conditions-Vave.png (https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions)

The normal wagering requirement for deposit without bonus in Fortunejack is 2x as what we can see in the FAQ page.

https://i.imgur.com/tExu9zp.png

So if OP want to add it on the list, it will be better if the information is written as 2x-5x.
Frankly, having the term about "suspected users" for using the site as mixer is a bit confusing for me.
If a casino has a standard wagering requirement already (1x-2x), I dont think there is no urgency for the casino to have the term for different wagering requirement for suspected users.

I’m surprised that FJ increase their initial deposit wagering requirements from x1 to x2 from the last time I play on the casino.


Considering how the OP manage the list. He is only mentioning the highest wagering requirements available since he is trying to emphasize here casino with high wagering requirements. I remember reading some comments before about Livecasino having x5 wagering requirements for suspected mixers. Livecasino doesn’t have wagering requirements at all on regular withdrawal but still the casino is listed under x5 wagering requirements because it’s the highest possibility in the casino.

This list is made out of frustration with his experience on high wagering requirements of the casino. I can’t blame him on this.

It is that the 30x requirement is too much for me, but the 50x requirement would already be an abuse or something impossible for me, I don't know in which thread or what they said that with patience you could reach this requirement, that seems crazy to me and the who said it I think it is also close to being so (no offense) but something like that is not how they paint it, so when you talk about it, I have my own criteria, and that is not to take it, you cannot be stupid in life to do or Accept something like that, and whoever says that he does and can Achieve it, I dare say that I do not believe him, of course it is my way of thinking and speculating.

   -  Does this mean that if for example I deposit 30$ in the live casino since their requirements are 5x wagering, the calculation is 30$x5=150$ I will accumulate first playing win or lose before I can withdraw from their casino?

It also means that before entering a casino that we are going to gamble with, we should first know how many x of wagering they need for withdrawal.

I don't agree with you, friend, because not all casinos will ask for requirements for every withdrawal process that is carried out.
The casino asks for conditions because they really want customers not to withdraw all their money so they remain in the casino to continue their gaming session.
Any casino that provides withdrawal requirements to avoid money laundering is by way of KYC not by wagering requirements.
If there is a wagering requirement for the withdrawal process maybe it is because of the bonus that casinos will not let their customers take the bonus for free.

Since the x5 rule in livecasino is for suspected users, so if you are suspected then yes you will need to wager at least $150 for $30 deposit but if livecasino do not suspect you, you wont need to wager x5 of your deposit. Based on what I have ever read in their official ANN thread, for normal players, you will only need to wager x1 of your deposit.


Most casinos apply wagering requirement before players able to request withdrawal, it is one of their ways to avoid money laundering or mixing service. KYC is another step for this case, and even if you have completed KYC in a casino, you will still be required to wager at least 1x of your deposit before you can request a withdrawal. Means that KYC will not make you free from the wagering requirement for normal deposit without bonus.

In a general sense, I think that a wager requirement should not be so high to give the player hope, I personally see that I have a 30x and for once I get Discouraged,in fact I don't play anymore, I forget about it. I play in that casino and of all the Games in that casino,I think I would never go back to that casino Because it is an obvious sign that the casino is interested in capitalizing and not giving a player good options to win, Apart from all the things that They must be overcome, the advantage of the case, of the same game and if they put something like that on it, I Prefer not to play in that casino anymore and I Advise my friends not to play there anymore.

I don`t like such requirements, but if we are going to use just one casino for gambling - it would be a problem only on start. It can be a problem for bonushunters or when you only choosing your casino. Later you are just gambling with easy deposit and withdraw. May be it is normally for my kind of gambling - i mostly deposit one time and gamble for it for month or even longer.

Everything is focused on money laundering, but for those who are regular players, it doesn't really matter if there is money laundering or not,what Matters is that when you enter or register in a casino it is to find a way to win or win, it doesn't matter how, but winning, and if there are Requirements in the bonuses or promotions is something that is already normal,nothing is never free, for me the Requirements for bonuses and promotions is a very simple way to take advantage of the fun for the player to consume all the money he deposited, and about the kyc, it is already known that no casino is going to go against government regulations.

Yeah, that's pretty much how it works. It can be a bit of a downer, but that's just how some online casinos work. They want to make sure that players are actually using the platform and not just depositing money and immediately cashing out.


I agree. Just make sure to read the terms and conditions carefully before making any deposits, so you know what you're getting into. Some of these casinos can even be extra strict about which games you can play to meet the wagering requirements. For example, they don't count bets on games with low multipliers like 1.1x. I'm not 100% sure if this rule applies to just bonus offers or if it includes regular deposits too.

There are many casinos out there who are asking for higher wagering requirement but they’re perks with them as well. For example, freebitcoin which is basically a faucet but turned into whole new multiplier game and sports betting is now almost a casino has wagering requirement of 25X the availed bonus eligibility.

This gets insane when you have high bonus eligibility. It’s like both advantage and disadvantage. They also have stringent rule like, whenever you avail the eligible bonus an equivalent amount of balance is also deducted from the account. Then algorithm sets 25x wagering requirement on that amount. It’s huge actually.

I apologize for my late response as I have been occupied for the past few days. First of all I want to thankyou for your efforts in examining the terms and conditions of various casinos knowing how much it’s difficult finding precise information regarding the wagering requirements. I don’t understand why some casinos make this information convoluted and unclear in addition to that they impose harsh and unjust requirements

Hopefully at least one of these casinos will take our feedback into consideration and work to satisfy their users and gamblers. It is worth noting that a casino with simple and easy requirements would be the top choice and a superior option for gamblers and of course with enough rules to prevent money laundering or coin mixing. Therefore reducing and improving the terms and conditions would be a wise move even for the casino to gain more players.

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Thank you @Zwei for your help as well, i will update the list now. And for fortunejack casino they set two different requirements for normal and suspected users that goes from x2 up to x5

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I created this list for one reason only which to let people know about these high requirements which most of people didn’t notice or got use to x1 wagering requirements. All i did is searching and reading terms and conditions of every possible crypto casino and listing the highest ones. As for Livecasino case where they didn’t mention about how much wagering they require for normal users and not getting a clear answer from their live support as well i think keeping it in the list is important before clearing things out.

Bonus wagering requirements are not in question here. The deposit wagering requirements are the main topic if you read the entire content of the OP. x25 wagering requirements for a bonus can be considered as low since many casinos offer the worst wagering requirements that can go as high as x200 or more depending on how many bonuses they can give.


@GxSTxV, Maybe indicate on the title that this wagering requirement list is for a non-bonus deposit to avoid confusion about your main objective here. I'm planning to create a local version on our board. Nice work with the update. Keep it up! IOU 1 merit.

Yeah! It's quite common to see this on this board. Many users tend to respond to posts without taking the time to read and understand the actual topic of the thread. It can be frustrating to see this kind of behavior...  :-\

And to answer so98nn's post, last time I checked freebitco.in has no wagering requirements on our deposits. (We are not talking about bonuses here.)


+1

As for merit, I've got you covered. ;)

It was my pleasure to give you some updates as you have made this table for helping the gamblers. It took a few hours only to check the wagering requirement of 35+ casinos. I have also created two topics to help the gambling community, it had taken a few days to finalise those tables by collecting the information from each casino.

Livecasino.io, Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io have same wagering requirement rules as they are operated by the same group. But this rule is applied to possible money laundering activity only. Usually there is no wagering requirement, you may verify this by asking about it to their live support or email support.

Anyway, add Sportsbet.io in the list as they have same 5× wagering requirement.

I will add it immediately. I have already responded to many similar posts from users who were unaware that these wagering rules apply to normal deposits that do not include bonuses. The main reason for this confusion is that these users werent aware of the existence of such rules in the first place.
Plus it would be a great idea to create a local topic with this list for more attention and we can continue to update it and potentially convey this message to some of these casinos in the hopes of improving their rules.

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We may see these users returning to this topic in the future if they have an experience with one of these casinos. It is unfortunate that someone may make a deposit win or lose some of his balance and then want to withdraw it and get surprised with such rules.
Regarding Freebitco.in, I dont consider it to be an actual casino as it has a different spot betting system with only few games and options with a dice and a lottery. And as i remember it does not impose any wagering requirements for normal deposits.

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Yes i will add it right now

This can be an essential thing to the gamblers who just always get baited with the marketing strategy of the gambling casino and get tired to read the terms and conditions with the casinos well even though base on my experience I haven't seen those in their requirements so this good to me to know at the same time that this could be use by the other casino too to prevent an account to get tag too as freeze account or holding due to they won and would like to withdrawal immediately.

Interesting information.
I have never thought about the wagering requirements that way because I mostly gamble on sports. I have never experienced issues withdrawing my winnings, even after a 1x playthrough. Anything more than that is just malicious in my opinion, no matter what casino does it. Unless, of course, they suspect the player of some wrongdoings.

FunClub casino is just awful in that regard. So is Thor casino or Trustdice with their 5x wagering requirements.
I have bet on sports on FortuneJack many times, and I have never had to wager my deposits 2x before withdrawing them. Are the numbers only for casino games? In that case, I think you should mention that in the OP because the rules might be different for sports betting.

I also want to suggest something else for the table.
For several casinos you wrote, "wagering requirement of at least 5 times the deposit amount when player is suspected." I think you should add to that sentence and say what they can be suspected of. ... when they are suspected of coin mixing or using the casino as a coin mixer. Otherwise, it just looks incomplete.

It is because Fortunejack has different term for sport betting as quoted below:


That's why you do not need to wager 2x of your deposit because you play sports betting so you need to bet half of your deposit only. 2x wagering requirement is applied for those who play the casino games as per above terms. When I was still active in Fortunejack, I have never counted how much I have wagered before making a withdrawal but I have never experienced issue with withdrawal.

Man, it struck me like lightning how sports betting and casino games are worlds apart regarding wagering requirements. But hey, when you're raking in the money, who sweats the small stuff, right?

Now, onto these casinos' with 5x wagering requirements... Damn! It's like tackling a marathon while lugging a backpack crammed with boulders. Talk about unjust, especially if you're on the up-and-up. And I heard some casinos go beyond the 5x wagering insanity.

And that FunClub casino? More like NoFunClub, huh? And don't even prod me on Thor casino... seems like they're keener on taking a swing at your wallet than offering a square deal. But hey, cheers to the legit casinos that won't slap you with absurd wagering demands. At least we still have some places t ogo

Really, i don`t see a problem to bet 5x in casino. If you choose a casino for a long gambling you easily bet 5x. The only reason is when the gambler change the casino for bonuses. In this situation i think that casino`s decision is not a problem. The problem is that the gambler decides to get binuses for free and the casino only protects from such situations.

Not necessarily. Maybe you are miscalculating how much you are actually betting. Imagine that you deposit $100 and start wagering. Most people wouldn't bet the whole amount at once. They would divide it in loads of small bets. Maybe $1 per spin on slots or round of play on another game. If you make 100 bets, you have only reached a 1x wagering requirement. You still have 4x to go. The house edge will destroy you the longer you are wagering. Bet $100 at once or $50, and you are looking to lose your money faster. 

Playing in a casino for long time is OK, but imagine of you have just made a deposit, played for a while and you win 2x-3x of your initial deposit and you cant withdraw it because you have not wagered 5x as per rule.
This rule will force you to keep betting until you meet the wagering requirement, which means that there is a chance for you to lose what you have just won + your deposit although there is also a chance for you to win more.
However if you are type of gambler who have a limit/target on every gambling session, this rule will destroy your target/limit on winning.

I highly agree with that, although it may seem unfair at first glance, it is just made to prevent those schemers on doing something illegal or for instances those who had good luck initially will probably fly away after winning on their first few bets. Before I find this strategy unreasonable, but after experiencing luck after luck of gambling I know how easy it is to make money and if for example I happen to lose due to bad luck, know that there are some who will win, besides before you even plan to deposit money into that platform, you are already a loser so at least you will enjoy your losses, coz no one on their right mind would make a living depending on coin tosses or slots not unless you are the owner of the house.

I'm new to this site so I can't share my experience yet, but although it alarmed me when I just saw live casino in top of the list with a x5 wagering requirement, it calmed me down that some members in this thread have already stated that normal players won't be required even the usual x1 wager. I'm curious now so I'll have to try it myself. To me x1 is the standard nowadays, but if less is enough to combat malicious practices, even better (for the player, not for the casino). If that is the case with that casino, then the alarm is not justified.

Not long time ago I played in one that requires x3 wagering (won't tell the name so as not to harm them). Personally I think that this is way too much: although I made some good profits in a lucky strike soon after I started gambling (like >60% of my balance, which was enough to me), I eventually lost >40% of the initial deposit before I was able to withdraw. I understand the need of x1 requisite, but I genuinely think that a higher one is abusive.

If the casino has already warned players about it in their terms of use, then there's really no harm in sharing that information publicly. I mean, it's not like it's a secret or anything. Plus, there's a whole list of other platforms with the same practice, so it's not like this is something unique. But, if the casino didn't even mention the wagering requirement in their terms, then it's only right to put that info out there so others can make a more informed choice.

I guess that you are right. It's just that directly criticising a competitor while wearing certain signature didn't seem decent to me. It would be natural and many members are doing it here; and, as you said, it is the responsibility of each one to inform themselves about the terms of each site. But I try to follow the "mention the sin, not the sinner" rule (a bit different in English, but I prefer the Spanish version).

Said casino explicits the wagering requirement in their T&Cs, so there's nothing to blame them for but I still prefer not to mention their name. The idea I wanted to share, and what is most importante, is just that I didn't know such high wagering requirements existed and I was socked the first time I saw they asked me a x3 being a normal user.

Actually casinos already included their rules regarding with this in their terms and conditions and the mistake at the same time is on the player because we cannot deny the fact that most of the gamblers did not read the terms and conditions and also the Faqs regarding with the deposit, rewards, withdrawals and etc. as long as they get caught with the bonuses and see this could be good source of profit to them while playing gambling, and they will seek only these once they didn't receive the reward or they have trouble with their funds.

I interpret a casino with many betting requirements as a casino that wants to take the player's money but in a very subtle way and that cannot be seen as something bad, but rather as taking the money with some diplomacy, for those are the bonuses and the requirements are so high, personally when I see a casino with more than 2x I don't play and honestly I don't go back to that casino anymore, when we enter a normal casino that isn't online they don't give those options, you play with the money you bring it and that's it, it depends on the player if he multiplies it or loses everything, I don't play with casinos like that because the experiences I have are not good.

Even if you are not someone who has a limit or a target for a specific session, you would still want to withdraw the money you've won if you've already completed at least 1x or 2x wagering requirement, and you have all the rights to get angry or frustrated if the casino refuses to pay you and asks you to wager more in order to get your withdraw.

That is pretty messed up considering you have been playing with the money you've deposited and not a bonus provided by them, so their requirement to prevent money laundering and stuff should be completed when you have wagered 2x already.

That's why reading the casino terms & condition is vital before you made deposit and play since this requirement is posted there. The blame will always comes back to you no matter what your argument in regards with unfair rules sonce the casino doesn't forced you to play.

This x5 wagering requiments is nothing for those whale players that spend most of their time playing because they are farming rakeback and other bonuses of the casino aside from winning big on bets. This is the difference between gambling for the puposed of getting profit on bets alone and gambling to maximize the casino bonuses since they can still win huge amount even at break even gambling result.

Yes, i understand it. But even in such situation i sometimes lose and sometimes win. After 100 bets i don`t think that i`ll have so huge deposit that i`ll need to withdraw. Of course it is not true for everybody, but in my gambling it is normal situation to deposit $100 and gamble for it several times at least.


It is possible, but i think that such situation is typical for gamblers that gamble for short periods. For them it is awful requirement - it is true, but if they know about it they can choose other casino i think. We can choose casino for our own requirements.

However, choosing a new casino in such a way that it suits you exactly both in terms of the withdrawal option and how and how long you play is not at all easy. 

If we look at the game from the side of the casino and at the complex of issues related to the transfer of money, especially in the case when the player has won, we will see that almost always the casino rules contain various tricky formulations in order to slow down the withdrawal processes in some cases. 
Obviously, the casino always wins if the clients' money stays in the casino's pool of funds for as long as possible.  And it is obvious that the actions of the casino are aimed at the longest possible preservation of the largest possible amounts of this pool. 
And if you put your money on a deposit in a casino, it's always easier than ever.  It is far from always very easy to withdraw money from the casino to your wallet.  Of course, this is generally the general property of money - it is always easy to give it, it is always difficult to receive it. 
I'm afraid that just picking the perfect casino, without sudden, unexpected KYC, without large commissions, with very fast processing of output transactions, especially if they are in bitcoins (especially now that the bitcoin mempool is completely crammed with stupid NFT transactions!) hardly  someone will succeed. 
Well, maybe only the lucky one! 
If he gets lucky too.  :)

Choosing the casino depend on what you want to get from it and your style of gambling. I deposit some sum and gamble for fun 1-2 times a week for an hour or about it. I don`t need to withdraw this money even if i win. But i can suppose that someone, who gambles to get profit need other conditions. It must be fast deposit and withdraw, no KYC or fast KYC(or probably some kind of identification that gambler can make himself) on the start. Something else, i think. I can`t name casino with such conditions, due to my type of gambling, but i think that it is possible to find at least one-two such casinos.

The perfect casino with fast cashouts? It's like blindfolded needle-finding! Casino rules? Crafty. They hoard your winnings! Withdrawing? Untying a Gordian knot with oven mitts. Casinos are adept at stalling, keeping your money just out of reach. If they urge you to jump over obstacles, they must have a dubious agenda.

Finding a trustworthy online casino that doesn't run KYC checks without clients' consent, doesn't charge expensive fees, and processes transactions swiftly is like finding a unicorn during a lunar eclipse. It's ridiculous, but maybe you'll get lucky!

I guess we need to differentiate between the period of being long term players (usually called by loyal players) and the period of single gambling session.
Once you played for ten minutes and you managed to make decent profit then decided to withdraw the profit, it does not mean that you are typical short period gambler.
Why so? Because you may still come back again later with new deposit(s) and you may play regularly (this is what is called by long period gamblers).
Short period gamblers are those who play just for few gambling sessions without any intention to come back regardless the result they get.

If you think about such situations, you ought to search a casino without such requirements. And one more time - it is about probably first month of gambling. After it you have no problems with withdraw i think. If i get fast win i just willn`t deposit longer. I must win jackpot probably to withdraw money. In other cases i just continue gambling.
Of course it is possible to win huge sum, but i don`t think that we can talk about it seriously.

Casinos always have plenty of options to win through customers, and one of those is bonuses, but consequently the bonuses offered by casinos are always in one of the conditions to offer the best for players, as they have to attract somehow to the players, but the bad thing is the double-edged sword that these bonuses have, yes I personally do not like to take those bonuses, I prefer to use my own balance, if I lose I assume it and if I win then I make my request retirement because I have earned money and I have the right to have it, it is something normal.

I don't see much point in bonus hunters, many years ago casino bonuses were more attractive because they focused more on giving players free things, now it is not like that, if there is no deposit there is no bonus, and the bonus is actually not good but more money to get excited about so you can have more "win" but we all know how this is, its what they call mirages so bonuses and bonus hunters are pretty risky to take on this period, there are casinos that I have seen that offer very good things like in roobet that there are art contests.

Here's a full list of sportsbooks in case you want to expand your list to books with low wagering requirements since some of these are low. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0

Bonuses that are actually burdens in disguise. Is it not bizarre how these bonuses, rather than increasing a player' fortune, deplete it instead?

Your experience speaks volumes about the clever strategies casinos employ to ensure their coffers remain full. Its a one-sided game, where the house always wins. But should we blame the casino for playing its hand well, or the gamblers for failing to read the fine print?

Its commendable, indeed, that you prefer to rely on your own balance rather than the seductive allure of bonuses. Perhaps your strategy serves as a testament to the age-old wisdom: there's no such thing as free lunch, especially not in the world of gambling

Some people might take it this way, but bonuses these days aren't provided to give players some benefits or an upper hand, they are just marketing strategies that casinos use to attract more gamblers to their platform but they do it in such a way that gamblers don't even realize that they have been trapped and they cannot get out of that trap until they complete a certain wagering requirement.

A few gamblers manage to complete the wagering requirements without losing everything including their deposit with the bonus provided but the numbers are very small because most of the players just lose the bonus along with the money they've deposited only in the process of completing the wagering requirement.

Hi GxSTxV and everyone else,


TrustDice official rep here!

We’d love to bring it to your attention that we have recently amended the related terms. The 5x wagering requirement currently only applies to the first deposit made by a new player. For all the other deposits, there is literally no wager requirement at all.

To put this in context, let's say I'm a new player at TrustDice and I made a 400 USDT 1st deposit, which I soon lost to the house. I then made a second deposit of 1000 USDT, wagered it 1.6 times, and hit some winnings. At this point, say there is 2000 USDT in the balance. Now I made the decision to withdraw these 1400 USDT.

This withdrawal will be approved, unless of course, other red flags or other violations appear - but in that case it will have nothing to do the wager requirement clause.


Thank you,
TrustDice Team

Any site that offers a deposit bonus will have a wagering requirement but I don't think a wagering requirement of more than 5x is fair. A maximum of 5x wagering is fine. But 1-2x is considered a fair wagering and gamblers can comfortably gamble there. But I don't understand why gamblers accept bonuses. Because if one accepts the bonus then there is no freedom for him. Wagering was imposed on him. And wagering is annoying so it's best to avoid bonuses and gamble with freedom

Firstly I am glad to see that your team genuinely cares about its customers and gamblers taking the time to read this topic and address user concerns. It is my hope that other casinos also adopt a similar approach with their users

Regarding your rules it is a positive update that you have made the wagering requirements clearer to keep users informed and updated before they engage with these rules. Even though the wagering requirements that apply only to the first deposit have some missing points. While the example you provided is clear it does not cover the scenario where someone makes a very small initial deposit and intantionally loses it and then make a larger deposit to bypass these requirments.

I will try to give an example and kindly answer me if it is possible for the user to withdraw without any issues in this case:
Let's say a gambler makes a first deposit of $20 and loses it. Than make a second deposit of $500 and they wager only $500 or less. Would they be able to withdraw the entire amount, regardless of whether they won or lost some of it? Or they should wager more before withdrawing ?

You have done well for the regular gamblers here in the crypto gambling business industry. And even for newbie gamblers, when they see these lists that you have made, they will no longer have a hard time shopping or finding gambling site platforms to play on.

And apart from that, they are aware of the casino platform they will enter here in the crypto space because the details and wagering requirements are already indicated in what you have done anyway, so thank you for this information.

x5 wagering for deposit without bonus is not fine, will you play in such casino where there is no chance for you to withdraw in case you get an early win after wagering 1-2x of your deposit because you need to wager x3-x4 more? This is not about bonus, it is about wagering requirement for your deposit only. Dont mix the things up as it will misunderstand others.

it's true that 1-2x the wagering requirement for a deposit is enough in my opinion because the wagering requirement reduces the chances of players with a final balance that is more than the deposit amount or at least the same, although it doesn't rule out the possibility for the balance to increase tens or even hundreds of times because you're getting lucky, and we know the wagering requirement for a deposit is one way for gambling sites to avoid money laundering but you also don't have to place very high wager req because this will certainly reduce the value of the casino because players will only play at the casinos with low wagering requirements for deposits.

Yes they will be able to withdraw in this case. We calculate the wager of the first deposit amount which is in this case $20 x 5 = $100, and since user wagered almost $500 it’s more than enough for them to withdraw.

Best,
TrustDice Team

It’s my pleasure to be a bit helpful for the community here. The main purpose of this thread is to raise awareness among gamblers and BTT members regarding certain requirements that they may not br aware of until they try to make a withdrawal without fulfilling those requirements. That’s why we have compiled a list of casinos that impose high wagering requirements and most of gamblers here are against these rules which we see they are unfair.

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Thank you for the clarification and for that i will edit the thread to make things more clear. Beside that i would like to see other gamblers and the whole community’s opinion about this case and how TrustDice answered to this thread

A lot of people confuse themselves with the wagering requirement for deposits and the wagering requirement for bonuses which are completely different things, a bonus that you claim has different terms and conditions and wagering requirements which is generally pretty high because casinos don't want anyone to abuse the bonuses and they win something significant with it and then only be able to withdraw.

On the other hand, a deposit wagering requirement should be relatively lower like 1x or maximum 2x because the casino is not giving you any bonus with it, so you are not obliged to complete a very high wagering requirement in case you wish to withdraw anytime when you are gambling, they only impose a 1x or 2x wagering requirement for deposits so that there is no money laundering and other illegal activities happening.

Hi OP,

Do you think it is possible to edit your table to highlight that our x5 wager requirement only applies to the 1st deposit?
Unfortunately there has been some misunderstanding (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479784.0) circulating on the forum and this thread is being used as the source, without seeing your note that it only applies to the 1st deposit.

Thank you!

For sure he can. The OP mentioned that the post was last updated on May 5, 2023. Some information remains outdated, similar to yours.

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Roobet has adjusted their wager requirement on every user's deposit for withdrawal, it's now only a 20% wager requirement. I'm aware of this because I tried to withdraw the prizes I won from the Roobet Art Contest and it indicates that I need to wager 20% of it. (I used my Roobet bitcoin address to claim the prize).

The information related to trustdice in the table is already correct, the details column clearly inform reader about how the 5x wager requirement works in trustdice.

I'm not sure what to be edited as it is already the same as what is asked by coinbox.
Maybe OP need to check all the listed casinos to know if there is an update of the terms related to wager requirement in the casinos or not.

either for bonus or what have you, and deposits must pass through wagering requirements before withdrawal and this is the anti-money laundering law of most casinos because of licensing demands,  so for that some casinos have higher wagering demands than others, and for that it may be regardless what the deposits are for either to claim a bonus or just to gamble with it must all pass through that wagering requirements before you can withdraw them and if it more than,1x wager demands, it will spark a reaction, since many gamblers try to avoid casinos with high wagering requirements due to their possible inability to meet up with that demands.

If a casino demands for 5x wagering requirement it means the casino has a high wager limits and the higher the amount one needs the wager the higher your chances of losing the bets and ultimately losing your deposits,  so we have to settle with that before any other thing is done either to agree and go along with the casino demands or search for other casinos that have a more friendly requirements.

This same question is keep on being asked that why many gamblers are are so interested in bonus, yet they don't know what constitutes the offer under the ToS of the gambling platforms, there are some conditions that we must fulfil when we want something being done, part of it is to avoid bonuses when you don't want to engage in going through wagering requirements from the gambling platforms.

I didn't know about this thread, looks very interesting. When I was actively gambling, casinos weren't asking for wagering, it became more popular during the covid. As far as I remember, FortuneJack was the first casino that made it mandatory to wager a deposit 2 times before making a withdrawal.
To be honest, I can't understand how x5 wagering can work against suspected users. If the user is suspected but actually has clean coins and loses money because of that silly requirement, who is responsible for the user's financial losses?

No casino will take responsibility for that. This is why every gambler needs to read the terms and conditions of a casino before they start gambling with them to avoid problems and confusion later on. If a gambler knows that they can't complete the 5x wagering requirement and the casino they are going to gamble with has that requirement, they should simply avoid that casino, search, and find another casino that has a lower wagering requirement.

Whether a user has clean money or not, it's their responsibility to make sure that they are gambling in a casino that has moderate requirements that they can easily fulfil because you can't gamble first, and then start arguing with the casino and the support team for not allowing them to withdraw the funds when they have won a specific amount.

What I think about these is that the casinos will always make a difference, because basically what they do is see how they can enchant the epraosn by watching the advertising and according to that they can make the players enter, and like every bonus, or each contest, since it has its associated TOs and seeing that the people who enter sometimes do not read, well things can be very different, because once they come to play there is nothing to do, things go to the level that they can do anything to make them stay playing, if we do not control ourselves and see what the conditions are like to play the casino, it will take our money, whatever is necessary, we have to concentrate on something, the casino offers its bonuses, but to be withdrawable it is where is the problem, because that's when they start to see things differently, first, that they are casinos that have high wagering, betting requirements that at least for me are impossible, it's just me going to a casino and see what I can do 1cx because it is not possible sometimes for me, mainly because I am a fleeting player, I like to have control of what I do.

So when the betting requirements are high, because they have very good bonuses, well that's the only thing that sometimes hinders me for everything, because if they give me 100% of what I deposit, the only good advantage I will have is I'm going to be very good about playing more, but in terms of winning to withdraw it will be something from another world, it's something that I don't see as possible, so there it's like leaving your money alone to go play when you want and to go out of that, because it is money that will be retained there and that not much can be done, that is what you should think about before taking a bonus or deposit that gives you 100% or something like that that is what casinos always offer , or at least that the person decided to read to see what they are getting into, but I don't recommend ever getting into that.