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The consequence of betting addiction are so huge that it not only affects the individual but also impacts everything around them. Besides having a bad reputation, and facing ban, Ivan's career is already over.  Although there are critics of the ban by the FA, in my opinion, it doesn't hold any water. The deed has been done, and even if they overturn their judgement one thing is sure; he has a gambling problem. It is already out there and will be there forever.

As you are reading this, it's quite common for many of us to have a friend or family member similar to Ivan. How did you become aware that your friend is struggling with gambling addiction, and what actions have you taken to help them to over it?

How is his career over? He is banned for eight months, not for life.


It is easy to know a friend that is an addict because friends do reveal themselves to other friends if they are gambling. About family, you should try and study how all your family member react to situations. If you see any of your family checking phone or laptop, happy before and just gone say like mood swing, that is one of the first sign of something to be going wrong which can be gambling. It is good to also educate your children in all areas of life, including the side effects and negative impacts of gambling.

I don't think I have ever helped any of my friends who have being struggling with gambling addiction overcome it. If you're really close to them then it won't be difficult to spot them most times you won't even have to do anything they will be the one come up to you and seek for your advice directly, but that will only be possible if you're the open type and the non-judging type.
I have helped with other addictions aside gambling and most times when I see that the case is more than waht I can handle I do refer them to those who have had similar problem in the past and have overcome them for advices, and this type is very effective since the person has had an experience and won't jsut be talking or giving advice based on some studies but instead it will be based on what they themselves did that helped them.

^ Definitely right and in fact from the article.
On our side, if this happens in real life, if you suspect that someone you know is struggling with a gambling addiction, you can show this situation with empathy, understanding, and support. Let your friend know that you are there for them and willing to support their journey to recovery. Offer to accompany them to have a long off-town vacation if they feel comfortable with it. It is important not to enable their addiction by providing them with money for gambling or covering up their financial losses. Instead, encourage healthy lifestyle alternative activities.

I haven't read paid an extreme  attention to any of .y friends  especially  in their choice of career or even their gambling career and I think its time to do so and the only addiction case I've been in one way or the other involved was that of a friends husband and it wasn't a funny one and the husband never knew he was already addicted and gets mad at anyone who thinks he wasn't normal and he also had to sell their car and that was when I had to come in because I was already seeing this marriage at the verge of collapse and it really took me blood and sweat to put back this marriage and also put control control over the husband's betting addiction.
Addiction  is a very strong disease and it takes more than enoughenougg effort to fight it through.

That's a sign of a compulsive gambler you are willing to risk your career just so you can gamble now that he is banned he can play all he wants, although he can still appeal by getting help to cure his addiction, if he is important to the team they will appeal he should clear himself first, it will take months or years to cure his addiction if he is serious to get back his mental health and career he can do so, there should be a willingness on his part.

If it's a family member I will take it seriously I have seen the many harms brought by gambling addiction I'll do everything to get him professional help first by urging him to do counseling, professionals are better-advising drug addicts instead of families.

It is no news that once a person got addicted, it automatically affect his mode and decisions.  First the person will lose huge amount of money due to uncontrol urge to gamble.  Then when his money is depleted, he will start asking for loans and then his relationship with his family will also be affected.  But if Ivan Toney come into senses and able to cure his addiction, I think he can get an opportunity to redeem himself.


It is simple to know, just look at how his financial aspect is faring.  If he is struggling it is obvious that the person is somehow addicted to gambling.  As a friend I can always give him advise to have a medical aid for his gambling addiction.  I may offer some financial assistance if I have the capability.

His career is over. That will make him stop betting, the club Imguess has to watch him for he might find a way to gamble in the toilet room thru his phone.  ;D

He's lucky to have a club who supported him and thers also theraphy for him. For many of the gamblers who are just gambling with no funds for these theraphy, he has to tackle all these by himself. A gambling addict determined to cure himself I think should just find something else to keep him occupied.

He might just have to face the ban, but I don't think it will be over for him, yeah sure there are critics around and that's how sports work. No need to overturn it, if he has a gambling addiction then good for him as it was detected this early.


As for some of my friends, I also heard that they have a gambling addiction, but never that it destroyed their families or see the bad effect of it. Perhaps they could have made money as well and not losing chunk of money, or they have steady income to cover their gambling addiction.

To be fair, the gambling was actually fine, the dumb thing was betting on his own club. Now that's dumb. Afaik player contracts don't allow them to bet on ANY of their matches at the very least, maybe even in the competition that they're in. I'm surprised it wasn't a complete ban even, just an 8 month one. Now I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get another case, which means he had a pretty good therapy, if he ever did have one.

I've never had a friend become an addict, well at least not yet. And I honestly don't think any action I do can do anything to help. I'd just be a hypocrite if it ever did happen really. I firmly believe addiction has no cure, you just, well, put it on another thing, which is the best-case solution in most cases.

Him as a professional athlete and then later a gambling addict, there is a dire consequences of his action. So I do agree that it might have a impact on his career for now. Although I believed that if he will go to rehab about his gambling addiction and then maybe he can comeback and resuscitate his career later once he understand the negative things that gambling can bring into his life.


In my case I can talk to my friends and can relate because I was once a addicted gambler until one day I don't have the means to continue and just like that, I just quit, no money coming in means that I have to stop from gambling for good. I didn't borrow money because again, I don't have a steady job to pay and I doubt that anyone will lend me money. So that will be the story that I told my friends and it seems that they are going over the gambling. They still play but just to have some fun.

It is clear that he is not in control of his addiction, as the clearest symptom is that he is unable to stop despite serious negative consequences.

This is not only a question of decorum of not having a player in the league who is a compulsive gambler, it is also a question of fair play: he repeatedly bet on games where his team was playing, sometimes against, but you cannot bet on being an interested party.

Let's hope he can overcome his problems and recover from the addiction.

Football career as a player? I don't think so - at least not in the near future. People love stories of a 180-degree turnaround and I think that's what his or the club's PR team will do in this case. I won't be surprised if they start featuring him more and showing how hard he trains while on the way to recovery.

His gambling activities may not stop completely but he'll probably become more careful this time.

It would be a shame if he had to lose his career due to gambling addiction.
Maybe he can immediately realize and try to stop his gambling addiction.
The bad impact is not only on his career as a football athlete but also on his life and family.
We ourselves already know the impact that will have on gambling addiction so if he doesn't immediately try to get rid of gambling addiction from himself, maybe what he has will disappear in an instant.

You cannot be in a sports organization and a compulsive gambler there's always doubt about your action, people will think that you are going to rig a game or you are going to connive to mafias to fix the game because you have an addiction to sustain.

And there's a temptation if mafias know that you are into gambling they may bribe you to fix the game because they know compulsive gamblers do not have morals they will be tempted because they need money to sustain their addiction.

I would not know if my friend struggled with a gambling addiction. Even if they gambled, they wouldn't say much about it. They will keep their gambling secret meetings from other people. But we still try to care for each other and remind them not to play gambling too long and get too much money.

When someone is addicted to gambling and many people know it, it will affect their environment. Others will surely find out who their family members and friends are and warn them so they can take good care of their family members.

A friend of mine has discussed his gambling addiction with me and how difficult it is for him to remain without placing a bet. He does not abuse alcohol, does not smoke, he is not someone too that talks to plenty women as well, but his major challenge in life is his gambling addiction. Attempts to stopping for him usually does not work out because just soon after, he will hear a news about someone somewhere who has won a big amount from gambling or something else that triggers him, and that gets to him so much that he usually starts gambling again. The advice I have given him is that he should try to cut off from some of his other friends that are chronic gamblers as well and avoid discussions about gambling. Trying to recover from gambling and then keeping friends that still gamble a lot, or reminiscing about gambling is a way not to get full recovery from the addiction.

Hell, this could ruin his reputation and career.

Ivan Toney has carried Brentford since 2020, he's become one of top 5 scorers in this season, if he don't have a gambling addiction, I think other big teams would want to sign him.

I think the reason why he want to gamble is he don't get a big salary in Brentford, he's desperate because he want to earn more money.

I honestly have never had the experience of helping a friend or family member with a gambling addiction problem. if anything, I don't want to deal with the problem of gambling addiction because for someone who is already addicted to gambling does not yet have a strong will to stop gambling, of course he will ignore all forms of advice from other people to avoid gambling unless the gambling addict has a strong determination to ask for help to avoid addiction gambling and I will help by taking him to a psychology doctor and telling his family to support gambling addicts to stop gambling.
I don't want to get too complicated with gambling addicts because it's hard to help people escape their addiction.

Thanks for share, here in Italy I haven't see nothing related this case.

I think that you become aware of gambling problems by speaking transparently with your friend /relative.
a dear friend of mine often told me about his bets/frequency/type etc...  at a certain point he too realized that there was a problem and it was necessary to made some changes in some way ... and I think this is the only way to change habits, realize it autonomously

Such persons can be delivered from the  Holy Bible. Preach the gospel to them and pray with them. And let God to do his work. Then personally as a friend you still have to talk to him day by day to remove that mindset from him.
Ivan needed adviser at that point in time but none was with him him. Counseling is the major thing at that time.

What Ivan Toney did was very crazy, his addiction to gambling was very bad, of course it would make financial look very bad.
If my friend does the same thing or play gambling in a very bad or crazy way like that, they will always have a different tendency from other friends, and usually my friends who do gambling, he often a variety of wins or boasting when talking about Gambling that he did, was very common to gambling addicts in his friendship environment.
The actions that I took were definitely at first a common action, such as advising him, but if indeed he could not be advised or given advice so as not to excessive gambling, I kept him away from an environment that likes to gamble or keep him away from access to gambling until he recovered from addiction.

Ivan Toney's issue with gambling addiction is a pathetic one. Betting against one's club is against the FA rule because the player can influence the outcome of the game. But from the investigation, it was discovered that he had no intention of influencing the outcome of these games. So it is not a case of match-fixing or other grievous sports betting crimes. Eight months ban seems too much for me considering that he is battling a gambling addiction. The right to do was to make him pay a fine and be rehabilitated. Maybe the FA wants to use this case to deter other players from engaging in such illegal gambling.

It is difficult to dictate when a friend or family member is going through a gambling disorder. Most people gamble lives are secrets because they don't want to expose their wins and losses. Sometimes before you observe the situation, the addiction might have gone so high and out of hand. Some of the signs of addiction include spending more time on betting, financial struggles, borrowing, debt, withdrawal from friends, and underperformance in a job. Advising gambling addicts is one of the ways to help them. Tell them your own story on how you control your gambling life. You can also help the person plan his finance by mapping out minimal funds for gambling. Assisting them to get help from a gambling therapist or a rehabilitation center might also be helpful.

It is common for Ivan Toney because he was addicted to gambling and had no one to give him good advice. I think I will give good advice to my friends. Be aware of the downsides and also stop going anywhere related to gambling for a few days. During the times when he used to play gambling, he should be busy with other work. Practice being busy do the work that makes you happy. Walk with two good people in your eyes. It will be easy to recover and create a beautiful environment.

The reason for the lighter sentence was probably because of indications of his addiction, otherwise (though he admitted in the end), it might have been more severe because he lied so many times in previous investigations that it totaled 232 of these breaches.
At least Ivan has 8 months to sort out his addiction problems with some consultant help, hoping he's serious enough to take therapy before returning to the field.

From the articles I read, it is clear, @Ivan Toney is addicted to gambling at a high level, it is evident from the quote below.


Maybe, I don't have friends like @Ivan Toney, in the world of gambling, my friends gamble just like I gamble, no heavy addiction, so for now I'm not too bothered to advise my friends to bet, they understand under any circumstances when betting, normally there is no action of madness.

I have a friend who was once dragged too much in gambling. Almost all of his monthly salary was being gambled by him and most of the time he is losing and ended up being broke for more than a year. According to him, he consulted his condition to professional which is I would be preferring more than to personally handle the situation. Ofcourse giving advice to those people would help but it would take initiative from them to actualize it; and this is something professionals could bridge to the victims of gambling. Going back, intervention programs helped him. Point here is that, no gambler would instantly know that he's already addicted into such activity. Addiction is not something anyone could handle which is why there are licensed individuals to address particular concerns.

How I found out my friend was struggling with a gambling addiction was that he was always asking for money. He would promise to repay it within a specified period with interest, which I didn't request. He would be so enthusiastic about it that you just had to lend him money. After all, what are friends for, right?

One day, he came crying to me to tell me that he had already used my money but wanted to double it, so he used it to bet on one of these English Premier League (EPL) matches. He lost and lost badly. Besides owing me money, he was already in huge debt with some loan companies because of this habit.

How did I help him? I told him I would never lend him any money again. As for his betting habit, there was really nothing I could do aside from providing him with some heart-to-heart conversation about how much his life and finances would improve if he quit gambling. I don't know if he has changed because I kept him at arm's length after the conversation.

Betting to lose your own club is not a sign of gambling addiction but rather an opportunity to earn profit through match fixing. I will consider his case a a gambling addiction if he wasted his money on random gambling but this time he is just taking advantage on inside betting. This is happening on other sports though because athletes can always hire someone to place bets for them.


Similar to ivan no because he is just an opportunist. You will know someone is struggling with gambling addiction if he keeps borrowing money and plays gambling most ofmthe time.

Haven't had a relative that got addicted to gambling but I do see a pattern with these people that are afflicted with that disorder. They seem to downplay it at first, seeing every additional game as "another more for fun" or "just one more to equal out my losses", from then on it would snowball into something more severe, as one more game becomes two more, then three, and so on. Intervention at this stage will prove to be very difficult as most of them deny they even had the problem in the first place. But it is most necessary that they get it as early as possible anyway.

Things will escalate to something worse and before they know it, they are already hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, their family and kids leaving them because of the addiction, and at this point these addicts will have no choice but to carry on with the addiction.

If you are seeing this and you are having second thoughts reading this comment, whether you are really an addict or not, you might wanna have yourself checked. 9 times out of 10 you are, and you just don't know it yet.

Ivan Toney might have been caught here but I believe we have many other players doing the exact thing. And this won't stop if their wages aren't enough because this could be one of the reasons for gambling!
Talking of gambling addiction as the addiction,  then these guys have known about his bad habits,  I guess struck punishment needs to be introduced to discourage players from gambling.

Agree with you, if you come clean usually punishment is much lighter than telling lies and proof brought forward to prove you are guilty of the charge.

Well, a person who is too indulged in gambling will obviously spend most of their time gambling and if you live with them or around them, you will see them gambling all the time and that obviously indicates that they are addicted to gambling. Anyone doing something excessively is basically an addict of that thing be it gambling or anything else.

To help someone overcome their addiction and become mentally and physically free from this curse, one should try to get them into some other activity that will divert their mindset and thinking and won't let them think all the time about gambling.

Are you sure? Because gambling addiction is in the nature of some humans. It is not about the country that they are but about how it is in there nature and somehow related to greediness. Most addicts do not let their relatives to know about their gambling addiction. When their relatives do know is when they have taken the money that they supposed to use for something else to gamble and not able to see it back but go back home for the money again or when they steal money from the parent and not able to pay it back. If luckily they do not lie that they are scammed but tell the truth at the time, their parent will be able to know about it.

I don't have any close friends or family with gambling addictions, but I guess, if that were the case, it might not be easy to tell if he had a gambling addiction. Maybe we will know if we know his daily habits, so if he acts out of habit, we can reprimand him for asking if there is a problem with him.

After discovering that he was addicted to gambling, I would help him overcome it by taking him to a doctor or rehabilitation centre so that an expert could treat him. I don't want to let him feel alone with his gambling addiction, and I will pull him out of gambling. I just want him to know that he is not fighting alone to cure his gambling addiction, but there is me and his family and other friends.

It is said that he is addicted to gambling so for a person who is diagnosed with that condition, stopping gambling isn't easy. They will always find ways to gamble even if they are banned or have been isolated.

Like you said he can still use his phone and gamble anonymously online with the help of cryptos. He might be lucky but I think every addicted gamblers do always has a people around them who is concerned. They will give tips, discouragement to gamble and encouragement that there are still other things in life that can give them happiness without gambling. They can also provide financial help if they are wealthy in order to get the gambler a therapist.

I believe it would not be a good thing for him to leave an addiction (gambling) and go into another addiction worse than gambling, I'm talking about addiction to religion, addiction to religion is much worse than having an addiction to gambling, a when a person is addicted to religion, he easily commits crimes and atrocities against other people's lives because in the head of someone addicted to religion, he thinks that he is a being sent by God, he thinks that he is right and that he understands the bible better and that he needs to clean up the world of all evil and to make the situation even worse, the religion addict also starts brainwashing other people, that is, he contaminates his addiction to other people

someone who suffers from addiction to gambling needs medical help, only psychologists and others who deal with these cases of addiction can help and when they admit the patient to the hospital and stay in hospital for months he leaves cured, most of the time the person is cured , because the most important thing is to keep the addicted person away from games and put him in other environments, instilling in his head that there are other good things in life that are better than the game, so the person has no more time to play and leaves the addiction, so people should seek medical help and not religion

Addiction is something curable and its not right that there's no cure into this. You wouldnt really be cured if you do tolerate that addiction inside you but on the time that you do make your self realizations then this is where things turns out to change. It would really be that a common approach of FA on banning him which its not really that surprise but its true that there's no significant impact on helping out on Ivan's situation because this is pertaining about addiction in gambling which is something that will really be needing to be solved out whether by himself or by the help of others like family, friends or even professional help.

In regarding on the question whether seeing someone whose your friend on such condition then you would usually be seeing these things when its already over and the damage has been done.
Every person whose really that addicted to gambling is usually that secretive and things turns out to be obvious on the time that they would be having no money to spent
or they do have sell out their properties or belongings which turns out to be something could be seen.

Am I the only one finding these punishments a bit exaggerated?

I went looking for the numbers here and they seem to be expressive:
Between 2017 and 2021, the player made 232 bets, with just over half (126) being in competitions involving Brentford. Toney's club was involved in just 29 bets, 16 were in favor and 13 against, and in those against the player didn't even play.
So... how could he have influenced these results if when he bet he would obviously do everything to win.

As much as there are laws that prohibit this, I do not see Toney's case as being something serious since he did not manipulate anything, did not bribe anyone and did not interfere in the results of the games.

I understand that Ivan Toney is hooked to gambling, but his 8-month ban is likely to be a catastrophic disaster for Toney's football career. I'm convinced he'll return to the game, this time with more strength and complexity. He still has several months to go, and maybe in January, he will make his league initial appearance, such a punishable violation that could negatively impact Brentford's frontline, because he is an important player for Thomas Frank. Consider Ivan Toney has been gambling for a long time and this time he got caught in the angles.

I didn't actually go into details of reading all the news from think provided but betting against your team isn't a bad idea and though I don't know the situation  with Ivan but I don't think betting against ones team should  be any major problem.
Gambking addiction is a major problem in the society  and from my little observations the most persons who are affected and easily get addicted ate those who can afford to feed their addiction because from the news and threads here, most of the persons reported to be addicted either have the money to play or have a property to sell and it is on rare cases that you find a completely poor person  getting  addicted.

I haven't addressed any severe gambling  addiction cases but I think almost all addictions are similar and all cases of addiction needs special attention.

Really can't understand that gambling addiction can make him also make bets only to lose because this is really crazy and difficult for common sense to digest, and what's even more unreasonable is how he as a gambling addict can still appear productive for his club, because he only under Haaland and Kane this season as the top scorer and one goal more than Mohammed Salah from Liverpool, I mean how can he survive with a state of addiction even though we know the competition in the Premier League is very tight. He can still have a career and I think his club should help him get out of that addiction because after all he has made a big contribution to Brentford.
I haven't found anyone close to me who is addicted to gambling but I don't think it will be seen just by looking at his daily life unless he tells the truth.

But it will be over soon. What he did is a very good example of sports rigging, and the worst thing is that he bet on his team to lose, which obviously means he will do everything to ensure that they lose. This is unacceptable. I have a feeling that the 8-month ban was only temporary and it could be upgraded to a permanent ban, or no team will renew his contract when it is over.

well according to what i read it was that they wanted to give him a 15 months punishment but as he confessed to everything and a psychologist said he was addicted to gambling and he needed help so he had this 8 months punishment but the The biggest problem now for him is that when 8 months pass, how will he be able to prove that he is cured of gambling addiction, since currently with a smartphone people can be playing and lying that they are not playing, at the same time that he has passed 8 months without playing can leave him with less talent than he had before he stopped playing

and all teams don't want problematic players mainly addicted to gambling and with 8 months away from the field the teams won't want him because they can have better active players, in my opinion his career as a professional player ended the moment he was condemned to 8 months without playing and it was proven that he is addicted to gambling, he will have to take care of his health, fight to heal and look for another job, it is a sad scenario because he would have a good future in soccer but he destroyed everything because of a gambling addiction

When someone has tarnished their reputation from a business or other, people will not think of it as meaningful and will forget about it. In this case, maybe he wouldn't get a second chance to show his skills because he had made a mistake that others thought was fatal. But I don't know if he still has power with the people around him or if he is still influential, he might be able to continue his career again. Anything can happen and maybe we can wait until the 8 month ban ends to find out how it turns out.

It is easy to become addicted especially if you browse the gambling websites daily,you like slot machines as they are the strongest driver to bring anyone to addiction.This Ivan guy placed sport bets at least and honestly the sport bets took him some months and I don't think that is real gambling addiction.The real gambling addiction is when you cannot stay without gambling for a short period of time,I have suffered this myself in 2019-2020 when I become slot obsessed at that time and could not think about anything else.I don't have a friend addicted as I have only a couple of close friends which do not gamble nor are addicted,while personally I came out of addiction thanks to my self determination which I start putting a limit on every session I took,it took sometime to achieve it,in fact it took a couple of years but setting limits did set me free.