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With my observation, many newbie are merit conscious to the point of posting low quality posts not because they are not good but because they are rushing to see people start giving them merit. Learning is key to knowledge and the path to success.

If I have not join this forum and learn about Cryptocurrency in detail. I never knew there is a big difference between bitcoins and the shitcoins. I once thought one can invest in any of them and wait for profit not knowing that shitcoins can hit the rock at any moment and vanish into the air.

It's a good idea, if we learn first before thinking of contributing, that will help us understand better and help others. As I speak, I am still learning and trying to know more. 

If you come across posts you are not acquainted with, learn from the posts and the replies, it isn't a must for you to write something that will end up annoying others or see you as spammer.

Learning first, build our experience.  Your motor as a newbie should be learn first and every other things will follow and be added unto you.

You write a topic and want to say other newbies don't teach but should learn first because from learning, they will have better contributions.
Does it contradict with what you want to say?

Newbies Stop Teaching When You Need To Learn. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456580.0)

This is a very common topic discuss and already this topic has been discussed a tons of time in this forum.
I am suggesting you that before posting anything never rush to do that and realize about it's acceptability and share something unique. In every sector in the life no one can contribute without learning first. We had learned also about how to walk.

But the discussion topic should be about how you can learn from this forum.

1. Read Forum topics and others opinion and specially merited posts.
2. Use search option to find out your topic what you want to learn. If you can't find it then make a post with proper information in this Board.
3. You can track some most contributing forum users and their posts to learn more effectively.
4. Visit the correct board where you will see your desired topics. Like if you want to know more about this forum then oftenly visit Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0) board. To learn or discuss about trading then visit Trading Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0) and there also have gambling related discussion board. In these way you can learn a lot and start contributing.

Anyway Never Stop Learning.

Sometimes I wonder too because most of the post I have seen from newbies are just as you have described here. There is even one I saw the last time a newbie advising members on how to make post when he or she is  writing as a newbie and I asked if the newbie had take his or her to learn from other members ahead of he or she. It is very funny though but it is better ignored than wasting your time because they do not hid to advise.  They don't want to learn but are quick to give advise with their newbie rank.

There absolutely nothing wrong in newbies teaching a thing or two, because it is widely accepted that most have gained knowledge be before joining up in the forum. There series of meaningful threads that can be helpful to the community and are created by newbies, it is possible he might caught the whole idea or gain the knowledge through the process of his learning and decides to share with the community.
What is actually awkward is when a newbie create a thread without substantial information or there are mis information on it, this is as a result of eagerness just to teach or create threads with out having proper knowledge of the subject it’s self.

When newbies do this things it is clearly seen that they are after merit. And it is has been long advices that merit isn’t gotten alone by creating threads, you can have as many merit as they could give once you are able to make quality replies. Creating multiple threads without having any meaning only gets you into some members (mostly merit source) ignore list

Although (as other said) this topic is recurrent in this subsection of the forum, I don't think it is wrong to repeat the same over and over because most newbies start their journey here and this is a good reminder worth to be always visible in Beginners & Help.

On the other hand, I agree that newbies should learn before pretending that they have knowledge to share with the community here, but I don't think there is nothing wrong with their active participation: maybe not focused on merits, but they must start earning activity points also, so questions on topic should be always welcome. And they generate traffic, which is also great for the forum.

Yes, buddy. I remember you and see that you have risen in rank somewhat. Of course, you already have some experience, and I think that newcomers should listen to their own kind, who recently came to the forum but quickly understood how to behave here. Seeing leadership from high ranks, some give up, realizing that it is more difficult for them to go all this way, but looking at others as themselves, motivation becomes greater.
That's right, you should not go out of your way when someone does not have the necessary knowledge. Slowly but surely, a purposeful person will always be able to achieve his goals.

The topic title and following text are generic and have been repeated on the forum a number of times. But despite that people tend to not follow that advice and stick to posting for the sake of it without any understanding of the topic the are discussing and no willingness to learn.

We cannot shut down a suggestion if it's still a major problem on the forum. Just like the advice to switch to Dex which is made very commonly here; it remains relevant cause many users are still using centralized exchanges and worse, storing their funds in them.

This is irony, you're advising a newbie for not guiding anyone when you're also the one who guiding them (the newbie).

There's no rule only for newbie, there's no rule only for full member rank, and at the same time there's no rule only for veteran user, there's only a general rule for every users. Just let it flow, it's up to everyone choice with the intention they create an account in this forum.

The forum is always open for suggestions repeating the same thing in different ways is kind of irritating . Using a centralized exchange is not the issue but a choice. Storing funds on a CEX is a concern whn the forum has been continuously discussing about the cons. This proble will continue unless one of them lose funds and comes here for a solution. The problem is unless shit happens with someone personally they are least bothered.

The point I am trying to make is they we should not shut down all newbies for given generic posts and responses. A lot of the are created for the sake of merit hunting, but it has become so convenient for older users to shut down newer members who are obviously in their learning stage and things we have known for a long time are new knowledge to them.

That culture wilm discourage many honest newbies from posting on the forum.

Except for services and products being offered by newbies that don't guarantee the security and protection of buyers and as long as newbies are not posting about forums rules, I'm ok and encouraging newbies on subjects they already know, there are instances that there are newbies who know more than we are on various subjects about Cryptocurrency, and the fact that we can open another account here, we cannot consider newbies that just sign up here have zero knowledge and they are going to learn everything here.
Let's encourage newbies as long as they want to participate in the discussion and if they deserve merits then by all means send one to encourage them.

One must know how these forums develop because of their users or members. Every day I think there will always be new newbies signing up. Although I don't really understand it, he is a real beginner or a rookie who has an old account.
Turning off new accounts will certainly make this forum will not develop. So in fact I don't need a new account, because the new account is a growth in the number of users. As long as they continue to abide by the existing rules, it is certainly good. But if it harms some moderators here have the right to ban it. We can even create an open report.

It's something that's common for you to see people easily getting attracted to flashy things of which merit is one of the most hunted for as long as a newbie discover about the system except for few who don't mind or care in that regard, if i want to introduce the forum to a newbie, i will not start by telling them about the merits system, i will rather go ahead to let them understand bitcoin and get established being active before introducing them to how they can grow in ranks as long as they remain active on the forum and have the determination for learning and growth, some things are not best introduced to newbies when they are yet to be predicted, such may just distract them from being focused.


Don't conclude that every other cryptocurrencies aside bitcoin are shitcoins, there are reputable ones amidst them, while some are not.


Some cryptocurrencies have been existing a decade now and still counting because of the developers that created the coins, some investors have made alot of profitability with some of these altcoins in time past, what we lack is proper research on a crypto project, maybe henceforth now you begin to call other cryptocurrencies altcoins and not shitcoins because not all of them resulted to scam.

Exactly!

I didn't see anything wrong with a newbie posting something that appears to be advice or teaching other forum users on something, even though we know they are supposed to be learning from senior colleagues, they also have the right to share their thoughts, and sometimes some of the newbies do share something very meaningful and useful to the forum not just for merit but for passion.

Aside from that, the OP was expressing himself/herself based on what he/she has observed in the forum thus far, which is fine provided the clarifications he/she shared are valuable to fellow newbies.

I am not saying that all newbies are like that but just for some few that are desperate and are probably not in know of how things works here but are just quick to start exposing themselves without any learning and asking questions to clear their doubts. For those communicating new ideas and knowledge I presume they are already in the know of the platform. Possibly, they must have had an issue with their account which might have resulted to them losing it or they have the newbie as alt. So I would not be surprised if they make tangible and meaningful contributions through comments and post here.

Actually the culture is changing and essense of forum is lost to some level cause most members forgot the purpose of forum and their only goal is to make quality posts meanwhile we to know the discussions, they just read the topic title and first post then go for creating their own posts which is one of the indication is they are pushing for sake of getting merits only. As a community, it's crucial to remind ourselves of the true purpose of the forum. It should serve as a hub for knowledge sharing, idea exchange, and constructive feedback..

Most are like that. Post or reply to comments and then leave, no longer joining the discussion. Even though always being involved in the same discussion can provide a solution to the problem being discussed. I am happy when I have to join the discussion and start to understand what the purpose of the thread being discussed is. when a discussion results in solving a problem, the purpose of the discussion has been achieved. There are lots of threads created and then abandoned, it just gets trashed on the forums.

This is where the confusion, frustration, depression emanates from for most newbie. Merits. They want it and want it at all cost that they sacrifice quality for quantity(spam) and end up on the ignore list of some users or are tagged as shit posters.


Yeah, I think shitcoins is called altcoin outside there. But there are people who were early who became millionaires from altcoins. There is a popular crypto influencer on Twitter, i think the name is altcoin Gordon. Who even on his YouTube has over 1 million followers. One thing we must acknowledge is that these altcoins can also make you money through other means as well.


The message is to everyone of all ranks learn not just for the forum but to stay relevant in the bitcoin community whether it is online or offline.

It's the fact because as a newbie,  one needs to read more and write less this doesn't mean you will limit your activities to reading alone but also you need to communicate like asking a question or providing answers to other newbies' questions if you are well learned enough about the topic you want to contribute to.


More also we have to know that not all newbies in the forum are newbies to cryptocurrency and at that some time someone can be a newbie in forum rank but be a pro in Bitcoin both in knowledge and experience,  so when you say newbies it doesn't have to do mainly by forum rank but also the experience and knowledge that the individual carries is what really matters.

There are times you will spend so much time reading posts in the forum and doing research and at the end, you will have nothing to add. I don't see it as a waste of time because I learned something new. Most times my replies are inspired by some of the posts I have read and assimilated. We know newbies want to rank up in activities but it is better to keep quiet if you have nothing to say. It is better not to post anything than to give unacceptable information and receive a strong negative response from the community. Regarding merit, I think if newbies keep posting for merit, they might become frustrated and even abandon the forum if they didn't get merits. Merit will come naturally if you gain knowledge and give positive contributions.

Absolutely. Because this form also is about creating a network of people where you can share your shared experiences and knowledge. As you build experience and exposure over time, everything will be easy. That's also correct to not to make yourself too consumed of receiving merits but rather to receive information, learning and studying it, applying it to practical experience.

If there is one tip I can give to you is to post appropriately in accordance with the correct thread and topic. Search button and menu bar is the key to everything you need to know.

OP, you are right. A newbie needs to keep in learning and shouldn't post on topics that he doesn't have any knowledge on to avoid the moderator from deleting his post. Newbies are after merits and they fail to understand that merits comes by quality post or good contribution on the topic being discussed at hand.

Although, some newbies are not new to cryptocurrency but they are new in rank,such person will have more knowledge to contribute on a topic than those that are brand newbie. This forum don't have restrictions but reading and learning as a newbie will make your grow fast and you will be recognised in the forum.

making a post and replies is a learning process for beginners regardless of whether the post or reply is of high or low quality.
if they are beginners posting something or commenting that is not quite right or not right in your opinion and you are bothered by that then right away you can simply give them directions, criticism or suggestions so that they improve themselves and they know what their mistakes are like.

Yes. Newbies should learn from the experience of others, most especially from legendary positions in the forum as they have more useful experiences that newbies will certainly benefit from them. And the fact that newbies need more help and guidance from their superiors, then they should never do things that will only create consequences of their actions, unless if those will make them learn and correct their mistakes in the future. But still, regardless if they have gained their own experiences in the market, it’s still best to ask some assistance from those who have been here in the market for long because for sure they have more valuable experiences than them.

I'm not seeing this to be a new topic anymore in here...I don't believe peeps should be told to FOLLOW before they can begin to lead.
Most times, I see alot of threads created by 'em rookies about something they barely have a handful of knowledge about... A Certain newbie advising other newbies gave rise to the advisors being brutally questioned on what they really know and the evidences to prove the growth from Thier so-called ORIENTATION..it only left them in arguments upon arguments and so on.... I then realized that these newbies only go on scouts to search on best REPEATED threads to either interchange or replace them with the hope of getting merited like the original threads.... that's how they keep spamming..

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Newbies should never fear to admit that they need help from other people because it’s the only way that they will be given valuable advices from reputable members. And since this forum is designed to create interactive discussion among members, then all members should reach out to everyone especially for newbies as they need more help and guidance in creating quality posts that will make them relevant in the forum. No need to worry about personal ego, there is no room for that in here, what matters is that everyone is able to learn from the valuable experiences made by reliable and trusted members in the forum.

You are right because when some one is desperate to learn something it will seek all necessary short cut to get it close, a newbie is a newbie it assumed that why they are call a newbie is because they have no idea of anything and it left for them to study and learn exactly what is good and what is bad, if a newbie wants to learn it will look for people in the forum already like five persons and watch carefully of the way they respond to people and follow such step, some don't have any plan in forum that is why they post anything they like, when you think and write nothing will make the person not to write what is meaningful

The forum is very open to different opinions and sometimes I laughed at my skull when I see that people that are supposed to be advise and trying to advise other can look very funny and surprising. Just imagine someone that is learning how to ride a bicycle trying to tell other how to go about it.

 It can be complicating if the newbie that is now an adviser is aked to give proper explanation with little experience. We don't need to always try harder to look good or knowledgeable when we don't even have any idea about what we are writing. It quite normal of we write to earn merit buy very wrong when we become too desperate and that is when others will come in to criticize us because we don't know what to write. Learning should be our goal whether we are new here or we are old cats.

Learning first is what helps us to become successful and knowledgeable. If a newbie focused on earning merit won't learn much unless they read different threads. Everyone start at being newbie even the forum members who have legendary rank. Newbies should learn how this forum works before learning about cryptocurrency and must follow the rules. A newbie shouldn't hesitate to ask if they have something they didn't understand because many of the forum members won't hesitate to help those in need of help.

I agree with you, because no body who is in the forum who doesn't acquire 75% of the knowledge of bitcoin in the forum starting from 2010 till date, without learning so many of us will not achieve some of the ranks we are today, one of the things that make people to rank up to another level of a rank is when the person is ready to learn, and any newbie who takes learning as assignment in the forum always be successful than the one who is adamant in learning

I believe this is a common knowledge that you have to learn first before you contribute to a discussion both on and off the forum. Newbies that are so interested in wanting to earn on the forum without having an exposure are those that end up spamming they forum and to their best of knowledge they're contributing positively. They post some generic nonsense and except them to be merited, they even go as far as submitting the rubbish they wrote to merits reviewing threads. If you can't spend time to research on things been discussed on the doeum to learn and understand them then you shouldn't be engaging in discussion here.

Sure the forum is opened to everyone not minding their background but spammers aren't welcomed here so if you noticed you aren't getting merits it simply means you must be doing something wrong that has to be changed because merit worthy posts are easily identified and been awarded with merits. Newbies already have a blueprint that they can learn from and they're the higher ranked quality users on the forum. You can learn by simply observing how a quality posters write on the forum and try to make yourself write in those manners genuinely (that's studying to understand things on those subject of discussion on the forum)

It's only natural that we start at the bottom before a person becomes successful or what that person have. If a person is adamant in learning then he/she will become knowledgeable sooner or later but opposite of that then they won't learn lots of information. Having a good mindset where a person's mindset is about "learning first until he/she is knowledgeable in cryptocurrency and othersl related topic". Well, there are some people where they are introduced to Bitcoin but what they learned is misinformation or not the correct information.

Probably most of the newbies here are, I mean there was no point in getting the pressure right since it was not a contest at all and it doesnt really have a deadline to rank up, yes merits are a good thing, and it's a good motivation for the high-quality post of the newbies, I mean even though they are still a newbie on there profile it's not like they can't teach someone or something, of course, they could still reply to some topics that they know and tell them what is the problem if they just don't know what they saying I mean we are going to see that easily if they just making things up just to post something. And no one is going to merit that post at all. We can't say that high-rank members are better when it comes to knowledge just because they are high rank, some newbies might have a lot of experience with cryptocurrency compared to some of the members as well.

But if you actually a newbie and doesnt have enough knowledge yet on cryptocurrency it's normal to learn first of course since you can't teach what you didn't really know at all.

I really agree with your opinion. Because suppose someone makes a quality thread or reply, but the post was written by a beginner, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that. Because the important point is, these posts have quality written content, and can be useful for forums and useful for fellow members in this forum. It doesn't matter if the author's rank is a rookie. Because someone's knowledge, including in this forum, cannot be seen only from their ranking. Even though the members who are ranked higher, the dominants are very experienced and have a lot of knowledge. But not a few too, there is a beginner, who already has knowledge and knowledge that is quite good.

So in conclusion, beginners in this forum have the right to make a thread or reply that is instructive, because this is a discussion forum and all members are welcome to discuss.
As long as the post is of high quality and does not violate the rules and regulations in this forum.

Yes, newbies with less knowledge are not expected to teach others in this forum because if someone with less knowledge tries to forcefully teach others, I believe it will end up bringing not useful information, so newbies should say goodbye to the idea of teaching others when they are also there to learn. But when newbies have good knowledge and have confidence enough that they have gained a good portion of it, they can come up with the idea of also contributing to the growth of the forum by passing on any useful information they may have.
 
But the advice that the OP gave is really very important: newbies should avoid creating threads or reply posts when they know they don't have the knowledge to do so, so hunting for merit with less knowledge will never make you have smooth earning of merits in this forum. Many high-ranking members you see earning merits every day or continuously do so because of their proper knowledge, so rushing yourself to earn merits to just rank up can never make you learn properly, and even when you get the merit by force and rank up to full member, you will not get the opportunity to earn more merits and rank up to others ranks because you have less knowledge to do that.
 

Yes I agree with you .Before you begin trading as a newbie, you must have a lot of knowledge and an understanding of the procedures and techniques behind the system. Spend some time learning about the ways of trading, such as various markets, trading tactics, risk control, and technical analysis. And, to enable yourself to do something, It is necessary to get some knowledge from trading forums like this. Also, share your experience and alternatives with another person for the purpose of better understanding because trading requires constant learning. Additionally, follow seasoned traders, keep up with market news, and periodically review your trades to find areas for development.

This is an important point, this forum is a very open place for discussion for anyone regardless of account rating. I also don't mind if a beginner teaches something or provides important information to other members, as long as the information provided is mastered, don't teach others who don't know themselves. as long as the information or opinion he shares makes sense and is correct it doesn't matter, instead he will get Merit. However, there are indeed many beginners who create motivational posts or threads just to pursue Merit but in reality they don't know what they are writing.

Especially if a beginner teaches other members about forum techniques or forum rules that they haven't fully mastered, it looks very awkward and strange. Indeed, this Forum is a very open place for discussion but everything has limitations and capacities. Don't push yourself too hard, as a beginner you should continue to improve literacy and enjoy the process, everything takes time.

Well, it’s a must I think that if you are not familiar about the thread, then learn from other comments first so you will also get the whole idea and have your own analysis on it. That is why learning is constructive, you don’t have to rely on oneself only but care to brainstorm first from other members post. That is one way from saving your post not to go off topic. However, when it comes to investing and trading, same thing goes. Learn from the experience of those veteran members, as they have been exposed in the market for long and have developed more working strategies to combat or prevent themselves from losses.

Well, it it's not a requirement to become an outstanding poster in the Forum. You can choose to learn about Bitcoin independently from outside environment like from good books that are well prepared by prominent advocate of Bitcoin supporters from its early days, you can also learn from who want to learn a bitcoin website, every page from that website has been useful and you can also learn from credible place like Bitcoin.stackexchange to improve your knowledge from those questions and answers, they help a lot if you make use of these platforms.

However, the forum is important to relate and know how to post in a very effective way to communicate with other members, you can choose to learn from others but be selective because some people are influencial in a way that deviate true meaning of Bitcoin ways, we have plenty of them here.

That’s should be the very first thing to do as you will easily learn if you ask some guidance and learn from other’s experience in the forum. Know that those who came here first have clearly gained better knowledge and skills so newbies should always see them as their mirror and learn from their mistakes and experiences they did in the forum and in the crypto market.

What Op posted has been discussed several times but it seems that  newbies actually find favor in teaching what they do not understand or simply by thwarting what established members have to say. I do not actually know how the trend started but it seems that it's been working for them and that is why new ones are doing it.

I have no problem if a professional newbie joins the forum to teach people about bitcoin. We have seen such cases but no matter how knowledgeable a newbie is, he cannot posses the knowledge of the forum more than an established member.