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Dear BTCTalk frens,

One year ago, in July 2022, I requested a business partnership by creating a topic in this <section> (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404931.0) for friends who see my topic, but unfortunately, no one responded to join me as an investor.

Today, after a year, I would like to sending my request here again. I'm a full time crypto/stock trader and I am looking for an investor.
I have been actively in the cryptocurrency industry for many years and have extensive experience in trading since 2013, I have been monitoring and analyzing prices, trends, news, and market sentiment on a daily basis and I am totally familiar with market trends, parallel markets and correlations.
(You can see my skills here in latest topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404931.0))

My proposal:
I would trade for you for a short term period and make a huge profits for both of us.
I'm master of risk management and compounding to keeping your PnL up.

My conditions:
- I would handle trading account through Binance/OKX/ByBit/DeltaExchange/MEXC sub-account.
- 1-3 months partnership
- No question during partnership (e.g. why long/why short etc.)
- Split 50% of trading profits after any closed position immediately.

This is my Telegram channel address which I have been active since 2017: @WhaleMonster (https://t.me/whalemonster)

Handle on Telegram: @iamnode69 (https://t.me/iamnode69)

Cheers, 🥂

Move this to the Service Discussion, your proposal is kind of weird though, I don't think that anyone's going to trust you in this especially with your rank and reputation not being decorated by green numbers, you need to post your results and not just a few screenshots but tons of them and you need to gain the trust of many people in this forum. I get your service though, you're like a stockbroker but we all know that we can't trust anyone on the Internet.

You right, you cannot trust me, but you can manage your own risk if you are an investor though.
Spend in human resource instead thinkin spend only on $$. That's how economic works. combining human resource with financial/money resources.

Rank is not matter at all. expertise is not related to the forum rank. I would challenge you in a demo/real account or even market prediction etc.
Anyway, Anyone can have multiple accounts here for multiple purposes.(Even can buying old aged accounts with thousands posts and you don't get it)

Fyi, You can check out my previous results in my channel which I posted since 2017.

If you're actually as good/experienced as you're describing, how did you actually reach that skill level without you earning enough profits to not need an "investor" or "partner"? If you're actually that good you probably don't need outside money.

Your conditions are a translation of saying that if a profit happens, you have half of the profits, and if there are losses, the other party will bear it, right?
I don't see any commitments on your part, you can develop your idea a little by offering a collective investment. You and members of the forum manage a multi-signature address, let's say 3 out of 5, each one deposits 100, where the grand total is 500 dollars, if a profit event is shared and if there is a loss it is shared as well. amount can be increased if confidence in the parties increases.

I checked your other threads, I'm curious about this claim. Was it just a fluke or did you estimate around that beforehand?
I don't know how hard you're struggling in life right now, but do you realize that it's been 1 year since your first request and there's no way you don't get some extra cash say $30 then start all you ever do even if you don't have to reach $15k return. I've never heard that to make a profitable trade you've to start with $200.
One thing I definitely don't believe random people is they still brag after being a loser.

If you are this good in trading, I will recommend you signup with prop firms that can give you as much as $500k to manage for them. There is a plethora of them and I will drop the link of some  of them:

https://ftmo.com/en/
https://myforexfunds.com/
https://thefundedtraderprogram.com/

Copy trading is already existing in every CEX that literally offer the service that you are trying to provide here without leaving the funds out of the exchange account of customer. Also the commission rate on copy trade is way lower than yours while user can have the option to manually end or adjust the copy trades that suits to their preference.

I doubt someone will trust on your service since this is high risk considering you are low rank. You have nothing to lose here even if your trade failed.

Is this a partnership? One side providing capital and bear the risk if it gets dirty but share the profit if it goes well? What type of partnership is that? Well just like @mk4 said, if you are truly experienced as you claimed how come you lack capital? What happened to your previous profit you made? If you are an expert trader, you shouldn't be scared to borrow money from your friends or even take a loan to start and pay back within that 1-3 months. Risk with yourself and not the hard earned of others. You have nothing to prove and justify your expertise.

The sharing formula is insane considering the risk involved. I'm sorry but this forum is not like a Telegram and it will hardly work for you here.

Too bad because in this forum, the rank matters although reputation can help a lot but given that you're not in any way high ranked or reputable or both, you will find it hard for people to trust you even if you claim that you are the Warren Buffett of crypto trading if most of the people on the forum are skeptical of your service, it won't matter and no one will try your service.

What portfolios have you got that so much in trading that makes you feel you will always make profits when trading, even the professional institutions and organizations takes risk and know how it goes with trading as a loose or win game and they don't always win at all time despite the numbers of experienced trading employees they've got.


No body would be interested in this kind of offer not to talk of the conditions you're giving, since you're a good and professional trader i expect you to have build your own trading platform through which you would have acquired enough profits from past trading experience you had, someone like me cannot trust you or have you control my trading account.

In one year's time, no one has responded to your proposal, so you can understand on your own how sketchy your partnership offer looks. No one is stupid enough to believe any words except for your actions. If you can provide good results and you are able to show us your involvement in it, maybe one will try to reach out to you. But without that, this deal still looks suspicious. Why not share your signal with some people before offering such deals? Let them try it out on their own. If it's a success, then they will be sure that you are really good at what you are doing. And not with one proof. We want multiple.

Also, if you are that much pro, how come you do not have assets to trade right now and searching for investors? I hope you will read this and give us an answer OP.

I have read his reply in a different topic, and although he seems honest and not scammer, but nevertheless, within 5 months, nothing has changed in his pocket, even if he had sufficient skill, there would be no real change in the individual's investments.
I advise you to get a loan and then try to pay off the trading profits. Ask one of your friends or relatives to give you a loan without interest and for a repayment period of 3 months. Test your abilities and if you can pay, share your experience, and then others may get excited and give you money.

Good questions. guys I answer your questions in one reply.

@mk4 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=886521) ,
You absolutely right, I managed +$100k during previous bull market. I turned $200k to 100k in bull market when all community was happy to turned 1000 to 10k!!
Fortunately, I bought a house for my parents w/ most of traded money because they were suffering a lot for years But unfortunately I lost the rest of the traded money during 2021' market manipulation.(It was Friday).

I was liquidated thousands of money in my life during different days and moments to LEARN how to manage my own risks .(I also lost my funds in centralized exchanges "Crypsty/MintPal/BTC-e/Bittrex".

Actually, I need "parner" and "investor" bcauze There is not any financial backer around me to invest in my talent after 2021' liquidation.
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@Yamane_Keto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3530127), Great question my friend, 2 questions,
1. Let's be realistic, As someone who looking for "investor", How can I give you financial commitments when I don't have even enough funds?
2. Do venture capitalists require collateral?

The best fish swim near the bottom.
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@rat03gopoh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1365271), Madam/Sir, I appreciate your time to check my previous posts.
Reaching high ROI with a $200 DEGEN account demands significant energy, impacting both physical and mental health. It's not just number. Several factors are needed, Especially in such volatile crypto market. (Most important factor is a long-term bullish/bearish momentum)
Combining multiple positions(cross/isolated) in multi-time-frames.
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@Odohu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3539126),
Thanks for your suggestions. They doesn't work in a real trading strategy.
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@Eternad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=762147),
Copy trading required initial funds!

Everything in life is HIGH-RISK, even when you leave home to work. Or even when you exercise in the gym. Risk management is matter.
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knowngunman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3505077), Yes, I think it's a great partnership. NOT GOOD! Other side of economy is human resource which sometimes is more important than money!

You can check my signals in my Telegram channels which implies how I'm trying to be a 5%-9% winner.

#LTC entry: $73
https://t.me/WhaleMonster/1841

#BTC entry: $24,700
https://t.me/WhaleMonster/1793

#ARB entry: $0.9218
https://t.me/WhaleMonster/1840

#ETH entry: $1647
https://t.me/WhaleMonster/1838

#Gold entry: $1909
https://t.me/WhaleMonster/1952
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@Aanuoluwatofunmi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3508793), You right. I'm not always winner. but I trying to stay completely focused in the "now moment flow" and I objectively identified my edges as Mark Douglas said and predefine the risk of every trade.
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@tjtonmoy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3318288), Absolutely you right! My action compared to last year is very clear and obvious. I've posted some charts and signals as I mentioned in previous lines.
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FYI:
The average monthly wage where I live is ~$120 w/ +50% monthly inflation rate(BOOM!) SO I can just pay to buy foods.(Not enough money to buying dress/no vacation/or even launch my own business). we don't have even a real debit card! blah blah blah.
The government keeps their fans happy w/ our money and their fans are only given bank/institutional loans/finance. The answer to our protests is guns and jail and thousands of deaths.
I living in Iran. I am not saying this to make your heart burn for me. NEVER. I just saying this so that you know how our physical world and situation is different.
In terms of freedom and in terms of financial affairs and freedom of speech.

Thanks for your time.

It just goes to show that you're bad at managing money because you managed to spend everything you earned and you turned out to be a sucker who didn't learn anything no matter what you claim to have "extensive experience in trading since 2013".


Another proof that you don't know how to assess the situation, because you lost funds at as much as 4 CEX, and who says you won't do it again?


You just think you have talent, and if that were the case, you wouldn't be looking for an investor here. You're actually looking for a sucker to give you money and doesn't ask too many questions, and I hope no one gets so naive as to believe your fairy tales.

If you're so sure of your talent, sell the house you bought and invest that money in yourself ;)

Do you have clients here already? Any feedback with the output so far? I think this is quite vague. How will others trust you in the process. Also how guaranteed that you be able to win every trades and not dissapoint your client?

How much money you usually incurred in the process? Like this will be important for others to asses your management skills.

Investors are also realistic, if that sounds risky then don't take it.

Unfortunately, we are not them. And you are an individual with unconfirmed preferences, not a real company.

You mean, if you used other people's money then it wouldn't be that hard because yeah, you just simply say "investment can be risky to lose it all" when you fail?

Never interested in trading services like this that guarantee high profits in an instant with short-term trading.
Moreover, the portfolio provided is not clear and is only in the form of expert text that everyone can make easily. The worst part, has a telegram channel with few users and it doesn't interest me.
If you are a professional in trading, shouldn't you use the Trading Bot platform, so that people can follow you with a clear Portfolio, because on the trading bot platform your winning and losing numbers will be displayed clearly. If you reach the highest rank, many will be interested. Instead of just making a thread on the forum without any evidence.

Come to think of it yourself, can you employ someone like that or make a partnership agreement with such a person, also take a look to his conditions of offer, that alone sounds ridiculous, if he's truly experience in trading, how comes he has no capital again to continue with trading, isn't this alone a factor to be considered by not having any partnership with him?


This also is a bad option to take, even though it's a no interest loan, it's still not good because he can trade and loose the entire money at once or gradually and how do you expect him to get the money refunded back, if the friends and family will help in this kind situation, they should raise money for a free donation for him and not to lend him and put him in debt.

Guys. Thank you so much for your questions and participating my conversation.
Unfortunately, Kindly 🙏🏻 I don’t have enough time to convince you.
I love u. You always open my eyes!

Cheers! See u soon.

It's because usually with these investing offers are not going to end up very well. Many have been scammed with this type of purpose so you can't really convince a lot of people here especially those that have bumped this type of scenario and offer.

Since you're describing yourself as a good trader. Take your own money and use that as a capital and grow that over time. There will be no need for any convincing to happen and just trade on your own.

And let the results be the one to satisfy you and not those people that are doubting you.

If you know all of these, you didn't need to come back here after a year and yet looking for the same thing you didn't get at that time. I don't know how you will be able to get it now.

A year is along time for you to have made much of good trades in profit with those experience and by now you would have shown them and some people might be convinced sort of to maybe use your telegram group but for partnership, I don't know about how that will happen.

What makes you feel that you will be able to convince anybody here, you think that people in this forum are dumb that you can just come up with whatever stories to scam people of their hard earned money. What if this didn't work out the way you said and you end up at loss,who would refund back the funds sent to you. I believe that I understand what partnership is,it doesn't mean that one should partner with a ghost that he can't see because that is not going into business but going into gamble. Like you said that you ask for partnership last year and nobody listen to you,you should have used the opportunity to build your account and maybe by now you would have been in a signature campaign. You would have being able to save some funds from signature campaign and use it to trade,instead of looking for some dumb ass to give you funds that you will trade with. I guess that you are a lazy person and an unskillful trader.

Just some pictures won't do the job. You need hard proof and you need to show your involvement in that. As I have already said, give us some signals and predictions. We will do it according to your analysis. If those trades become successful, then we can trust you. Also as everyone suggested, you need to change some rules in your deal. As for me, I am not interested in this, but I don't want others to fall for this too. If you are legit and you are what you say you are, then try to give us proof.

One more thing that's bugging me. The most important rule of trading. Only invest what you can afford to lose. And don't trade with borrowed money. You are breaking that rule while claiming yourself a professional trader. How's that working out for ya?

cryptocurrency technology requires certain keys for payment, selling and buying and for recording of data which a person cannot share with others because of the trust issue. I know you will be a successful trader or investor but no one here will easily gives you their own asset as they are already under pressure due to market Fluctuations so when you will trader for them and unfortunately you don't win then condition will become negative for both of you.

It will be just a mechanism of blaming because no one will understand your problems, your hard work and your time but they will just remember that because of you they are lossing money as success can be forgotten but loss cannot.

You can spend a whole year here and convince anyone you want of your illusions that you are a successful crypto trader, but you admitted that you gambled away everything you ever earned, no matter what you blame the market for. Instead of literally begging for money, you'd be better off rolling up your sleeves and getting down to some serious work, which is what most people do in life.

we must be sure about trading that will lead us to financial freedom. if we are in doubt then it will loosen our enthusiasm to learn trading, that way one day we will surely succeed, and of course by looking at our portfolio investors will come by themselves, as long as we can trade in a healthy manner and in accordance with logical targets, trading is not just one or two transactions, but healthy trading is done repeatedly, so we can know the quality of a person's trading from portfolio achievements and time targets

Financial freedom is the condition where you have a lot money and don't need to work, you only depend with your passive income. While trading you're need to sit down in front of your PC and check the price at least every hour, trading isn't a financial freedom since it's an active income.

However not all people are good in trading, usually most of people lose in trading, some people make small amount profit while few people make good amount of money.

I think you are the only one who suggests taking a loan to do trading. Even in investing, gambling and other activities, loaning money is still not advised. It won't still be easy to ask a loan even to the people that we know the most especially when they see that you have no ability of paying it and then you are also known to be a loser.

The best thing that he can do is to find a reliable job so that he can earn a stable income and he can use that money to make more money. He can record his activities and show it when he is going to propose about finding a partner to make his business grow bigger. That should make thing easier for him.