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Alik Bahshi

Who can answer a simple question?

    I would be grateful if someone would give at least one example when Putin told the truth? Thank you.

Among many others, BADecker and Youtube... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408234.msg62601210#msg62601210.

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You can say in your own words, without reference to the false Russian media, when Putin told the truth.

I used my own words to explain to you to look at Youtube for your answers.

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 Look, I'm not going to look for someone's words on the Internet. If you cannot answer my own question to you, then firstly, this means it is difficult for you, and secondly, this is your problem.

There is nothing or no example that anyone will give that will be enough to change the opinion you have of Putin, an opinion that has been for a long time now, but you have to know that he has not always told lies like you think, and there will be some instances where he has been truthful. His behavior is not different from the behavior of other politicians in most countries that do not tell the truth, or tell the half truth about most  things to the press and the citizens.

You are just like all the rest of the propagandists when you can't speak to a point. All you do is ask for evidence for the point, even though the evidence is given right in the post you are complaining about, and that you referenced in your own post.

Then, when the places for the evidence are shown again, you don't even want to look at the evidence.

Stepstowealth was right when he said that there isn't any example that can make you change your mind. You simply aren't interested in changing your mind. The evidence and proof could stand right up and bite you in the left eye, and you still wouldn't be interested. After you got your eye-patch, you would go right on with your propaganda rant.

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 You see, I asked a simple question to you, but I did not wait for an answer from you. And I'll tell you why. Because Putin really always lies, you, as his propagandist, of which there are at least 1-2 on every forum, risk losing your job as a troll. In Russia, Putin has set up a troll factory to fool people with his false propaganda. By the way, you called me a propagandist, while they are here on this forum.

All politicians are liars, there is no atom of truth in them. Putin, Trump, Biden, Blair, Obama, etc are all big-time liars. Putin's war against Ukraine is built on lies and deceit. He deceived Russians that he is fighting a just course against Nazism. He has consistently lied about killing civilians and destroying public infrastructures. He kept lying to Russians about the truth about their losses on the battlefield.

But the West lied when they told the world that Iraq led by Saddam Hussain is in the custody of weapons of mass destruction. They consciously lied to destroy a prosperous country because they don't like the leader. The lies also continued in Libya, where they have destroyed that country for generations. The devastation of Libya was orchestrated not because they wanted to promote democracy but because Muammar Gaddafi refused to be their puppet. Putin is not the only liar, all politicians are habitual liars.

  Thanks! You, like me, do not know the case when Putin would tell the Truth.

Pretty much all politicians lie, probably daily too. I don’t trust a single thing any of them say. I’m sure Putin has told the truth more than once, as have all leaders, politicians & people in positions of power. They all lie car more than tell the truth though. That’s all of them, no exceptions.

 O.k. You say that Putin has told the truth more than once, then remind me, otherwise maybe I missed this moment. Thank you.

I recall an old video of Putin with his cabinet and he was listening to his minister of agriculture, talking about increasing the production of pork, so they could export much of it to Indonesia.

Putin carefully interrupted him to let him know that people in Indonesia is mostly muslin, so they could not export pork there. They all laughed and continued the event.

I think that is the only instance of Putin saying a fact, which I can remember right now. If that counts to you, that is.

Baptists and LDS are forbidden from drinking and smoking. But that doesn't stop them... anymore than laws against pork stops Muslims.

Putin was being simple-honest. That didn't make him right.

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Well, that is rather a personal thing to consider, since the relation with God is supposed to be personal with each one of us, if we believe or know we have failed his commandments, then it is up to us to ask for forgiveness for our weaknesses.

Though, I must say that dietary laws within Islam are quite strict and followed tightly, in my opinion, otherwise there were not so many brands looking to offer halal version of their products or certify their existing ones as halal, to appeal the Muslim population.

But 'personal' doesn't always work when sinning against God. Consider Joshua 7:1 in the Bible: "But the Israelites were unfaithful in regard to the devoted things; Achan son of Karmi, the son of Zimri, the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took some of them. So the Lord’s anger burned against Israel."

If you read the whole chapter at https://biblehub.com/niv/joshua/7.htm, you will see that some of Israel's people died because of this sin of one Israelite.

Further, there are at least several times in the Old Testament where God blamed the whole community for the sins of certain people in that community. Sometimes it was Israel. Sometimes it was other nations. Genesis 15:16 says: "In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."

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In democratic countries, the president is severely punished for lying, where the media are just waiting to catch the president in a lie. There is no such thing in Russia. Putin lies, but he still forces the entire Russian people to support his lies. And if anyone is against it, a prison or "Novichok" awaits him. But what is surprising is that the Russian people for the most part support Putin's lies, and in this respect lies the uniqueness of Russia and its people. The Russian people have lived their entire history in a lie. In Russia, everything is saturated with lies. See my article "Empire of Lies and its chief liar" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408234.0)

At OP, do not trigger a negative biased.
The truth remains that no one could tell when a politician tells the truth unless you are in the same parliament else, what anyone could tell of Putin or a politician is if he/she is doing the right thing.

Now you are inferring that the US is not a democratic country. You might be right, because they let Biden (Obama) keep on going without punishment.

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I am yet to see a politician that doesn't tell lies. It is as if telling lies is part of the job of a politician. Well, they will justify it with the saying that it is not possible to please everyone,  hence the reason they all lie at some point.

Well, I think Putin might lie in other occasion but he said he will attack Ukraine and he did... that seems to be truth from him.

Alas, you do not know, Putin says that Ukraine attacked Russia.

Well, Ukraine DID attack Russia... when Ukraine attacked Russians and Russian Ukrainians living in both, Ukraine and just across the border in Russia. This started at least in 2014.

If anything, Russia was delinquent for not defending its people from Ukraine a lot sooner.

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  You made a mistake, because Putin lied. This is also confirmed by Putin's forum defender. See post 23.

OP are you expecting Putin to tell the truth when you can some how figure out the truth behind the lies he has given to the world. Look or should I say listen carefully to all he says, there are truth behind every lies he has told.

  Putin says Ukraine attacked Russia first. This is true?

The real question has to do with, does anybody know how to do research... even simple research on the Internet. If they did, they wouldn't have to rely on the opinions of other people in this forum. And, they might even have some references for the things that they, themselves, profess.

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  That is, you do not know when Putin spoke the truth.

Oh that? Even you know when Putin speaks the truth. He has friends and comrades in Moscow who he speaks truth to all the time. Nobody gets into the kind of power that Putin has by lying to people, especially all the time.

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It is not surprising that Putin, despite the fact that he constantly lies, remains in power. The fact is that the Russian people themselves have lived their entire history in a lie and do not know another life.

Well, that's true for almost everybody. By the way you rag against Russia, you especially.

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And what about me? Russia will disappear as an empire not because of me. Russia will disappear like a monster from the era of lizards, and die in a cage of isolation. As for your rudeness in a dispute, this is typical for all Russians on the Internet.

There is no just a truth if not testified otherwise I would say that.... Sometimes people would only want to hear what they expected and not the truth.

Yes, sometimes people want one thing, but against their will, evolution goes its own way and this way has no empires. They are in the past and the Russian Empire is no exception.