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So you may be heard this couple of weeks ago. Still it's so hype in the twitter. So wordcoin is offering 70-80$ airdrop for those who own s wordcoin id. To get Id you need to verify you via iris scanner. So right now there are long queue to get a id. Most of people doing this because of that free airdrop. But no one is thinking about the consequences of this. I mean we don't know what will they do the data that they collect from us. They never mention why they implemented iris scanner, what will they do with those data collect from scanning peoples eyes. :(

So why people don't afraid for this situation. For 70$ they sold their data. What happens if worldcoin use this iris data for illegal activity? 

Biometric data is considered as sensitive personal data, so the issues you raised are a valid concern. Though, we should also note that some people just did not care about their own personal data or even did not have awareness and comprehension of what risks it may cause and arise if it get leaked. So they would rather get easy money, instead of delve deep to understand how this project actually works first.

A few concerns that you raised like what kind of data they collect, why they choose iris, and such kind of thing is surely already addressed. You can take a look further at their blog to understand deeper the underlying technology and their reasoning why they uses iris: https://worldcoin.org/blog/worldcoin.

To achive sybil resistance. There is no way to give UBI (universal basic income) without sybil resistance because in few days there would be 100 billion users, 99% bots.


I would like to leave a decent quote about worldcoin here:
"If the product is free then YOU are the product.
So what does it mean if the product, is not only free, but pays you?
It seems then your cherished biometric data is the product.
This is how the new Worldcoin retinal scanning “orbs” work."
https://twitter.com/GeorgeGammon/status/1683556303044501506

But the question is also, with the current development of technology and attacks on our privacy from every side, is it not that we are doomed to lose? if not now, in a decade or two, when technology will advance so much that cameras enabling such a scan will be installed at every pedestrian crossing for "our safety". I've always respected my privacy and try to fight every attempt to invade it, but a few days ago I started to wonder if my fight isn't doomed to failure.

Can we believe what they really posted in their blog? I'm just 90% sure those who provide their Biometric data will be in big trouble in future definitely.

it's important to remember that the road to wealth is seldom easy, and often fraught with unexpected pitfalls. In this case, the question of privacy infringement and misuse of data looms large.

While Worldcoin, via their World App, promises a seamless, privacy-preserving, and user-friendly experience, the method of identity verification leaves much to be desired. Iris scans are a potent tool, yes, but they're equally potent when misused.

The key issue here is transparency, or lack thereof. Worldcoin needs to be clear about how they intend to use and protect this sensitive data. Until such clarifications are made, I advise caution.

Worldcoin is in a weird category right now. It's founded by Sam Altman so it has some degree of legitimacy. The principle of it are noble. The most distinguished part of it and the most controversial one, the iris scanner is what making it both popular and controversial both at a time.
Personally, I don't think we are ready to give one of our most sensitive identification to a company we are not sure about has the necessary measures to secure the data and we can't be sure if they are used for the right cause. Worldcoin should have worked and shown their potent on the field of security and gained the trust before asking for something sensitive like an iris scan. Nevertheless, people are jumping into it and I might take my time to think till that orb travels to my part of world.

For sure worldcoin who has been founded by legit people wouldnt let that happened. But for some reasomnas a crypto users, you would weigh the possibility of it to have data leaked in the future. Ive mitned their nft on optimistic and eth network, I am hoping for a drop without getting the id through holding those nft. Who knows maybe later on.

It is a shame that the very idea of cryptocurrencies is crumbling under the onslaught of such projects and clients who are ready to sell their personal data for a pittance, for 70-80$ shitcoins. This shitcoin perfectly demonstrates that people are ready to tell everything about themselves, to pass any checks if they are promised a small airdrop. Privacy and safety of their personal data has long been out of fashion, and many of those who go there to leave their personal data, do not even know for what purpose cryptocurrency was invented.

or like the minority report movie where tiny robots check the iris of the people living in one building and those who refuse will be executed by these robots. this world coin is really like the sci fi movie come true but what do we know we are already living the scifi earth.

everyone is even serious a whole bunch of lawmakers have a hearing about UFO existence and that the government was hiding the alien technology.  Vatican says nothing.

Believing such kind of product, where user biometric data is extracted, without the ability or transparency to verify how the underlying system works can be led to a big problem. I'm sure they trying to explain what their product does on the blog but of course, it is for their own benefit and interest.

Here is the page where they claim they have open-sourced the project ecosystem: https://worldcoin.org/open-source. I don't know what is the differences between the green and yellow dots. But there is still some limitation on the open-sourced system, some parts of the code aren't fully being open-sourced(https://github.com/worldcoin/orb-hardware#whats-not-included).

What I understand about this Worldcoin is all about privacy harvesting.  I don't see the motive of the creator and financiers of this project to be in the interest of humanity. So, the iris scan might just be harvesting biometric data of certain percentage of human population to be used for future purposes which we do not know yet.

https://bitcoinist.com/worldcoin-under-the-lens-french-regulator/

https://www.reuters.com/technology/german-data-watchdog-probing-worldcoin-crypto-project-official-says-2023-07-31/


More countries will be coming soon. Worldcoin will not able to leave from the regulators. Those who involved in the shady pratices may be jailed in the future, there's no point in collecting irish data.

Regulators are coming to the world coin. You will be seeing so many countries sued world coin. Those people are so dumb exchanging their personal data for 70 bucks.

I can’t believe we have come so far in the world of freebies through crypto currency’s. What is wrong with the peeps? I would never participate in the airdrop like this and it’s seriously personal man. Peeps are literally giving away their identity in the hands of scammers.

Who knows who is behind this project? A big organization who is ready to sell the data so that new fake passports can be made from the same?

Literally only came one thought while reading the entire idea and that’s Airport security check getting easily passed with fake iris on your eyeballs. That’s crazy man. On one hand same peeps are scared to do KYC on reputed gambling sites and yet here we are, giving away the iris scam just like that.

I don't think iris alone can be used for any scientific research, other data like blood type, blood sugar level, weight, age, etc must accompany it. So it's basically only harvesting biometrics to allocate coins so no alts/fake accounts can get it, only the real human ones. At least that is what people in the 3rd world think since here iris recognition isn't widely used yet. It becomes scary if we think that iris recognition will be widely used in the future for identity, then they basically give up their identity to be faked by a bad actor.

Even if they don't have malicious intent, storing this sensitive data is troublesome, one security breach and your data will be on the black market. So yeah, this project will invite lawsuits and legal cases.

About $70-80, well, I know some people will give their KYC for an amount smaller than that.

Sooner or later, I believe that this kind of biometrics can be faked too. Maybe sooner, we can see our phone that will use iris scanners and will implement it as a security feature. Imagine those homeless people who are being offered to do KYC, I'm positive that they will sell their iris biometrics to people. Their identity isn't their priority. Their priority is to survive that's why.

It is not known where this personal data and collected information may end up. Altcoins are not reliable and this worldcoin could turn into a scam in a few years. We don't know that for sure. Likewise, we don't know where this collected data may end up and how it will be used in the future. In fact, this is collecting personal data under some plausible pretext, like fighting bots.


Very often people are willing to go through KYC for the sake of a 5$ profit. And this $5 will not be given to them in bitcoin or fiat, but will be given in some unknown shitcoins, which you still have to try to sell.

I'll never do that even if I really need money. While there will be desperate people that will do it, there are some that are even complying and sending their KYCs to unknown projects and undetermined ones if there's a future or success of it. Technology today can do anything and that's why they're asking for the iris because they have a scanner on it and they'll for sure keep a copy of it and will use it for something else. Yes, maybe AI or there could be even more but you're right OP that it's possible that they can also use it for illegal things, and what if the authorities have found out that your iris was used for one of it and you can do anything with it because you've just sold it to them through an airdrop and a few bucks. That's why it is not going to happen to me, call me paranoid or what but everyone is sharing the same sentiment regarding this thing from worldcoin. They're still in hype and popularity and that's why I think it is timely that they've announced that for more attention.

Yep, it'e like they forgot The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and even if they somehow managed to shuffle trough regulations. Who would want to sell their data to these people? For something that's most likely worth pennies.

I rarely point to book 1984, as it's now just a meme as everything is so 1984, but this is so dystopian i want to. Selling this data to corporations is pointless. There's no real use case for POP that would be allowed by regulators. Everyone involved and enabling their tech would possible be involved in criminal activity so who wants that? What's the upside of logging in to some irrelevant site with that?

I guess privacy and anonymity just got thrown out the window for a few bucks. Man, people don't really realize how much a piece of information that they give out each and every day can go a long way in terms of tracking them down. I guess social media simply made people this way nowadays. Though while social media displays info you gave out, they're rather on the simple-ish side, this time its biometric data, I was wondering why nothing really came up with people who were applying for it and saw how dubious this was.

Unless, ofc, their data (if they ever show it) were just bots or purposely manipulated data to attract more people in trying to apply. I'd vote for the latter.

I am kind of surprising this project is still going forward, to be honest. I heard about it one or two years ago and I thought it was very weird they decided to collect such a sensitive data and what the purpose behind it was.

If anyone wants my personal opinion, I would say this is an organization which is looking forward to get huge economical benefits by selling this biometric data to corporations or governments, they could easily do so without any of the participants ever finding out...

No thanks.

Let's see how the result from investigations that will be commenced by the regulators. I think that all of european countries gonna start to investigate this project. The team is in possibility to be jailed if they were using this data for shady things.

It seems like that people were not caring anymore with their privacy. No point in yelling about privacy while people can sell their data cheaply to the various projects.

We should wait and see. iris data is a highly sensitive data to share just for the sake of some money. They promise of a universal income but what would be the value of the coin when they are being issued every month without any strategy to limit the supply. Like mooncoin or something that gave staking coins reward 10% a day and the value crashed after a week. The concept of universal income itself is not bad but the risk of private data being misused is way higher.

It's simple, these people want the free money thinking that there will be no implications in a short term span, but sure it will cause them a problem sooner or later. $70-$80 is too  cheap to sold your vital information. Not to mention it is your iris, it cannot be changed (I'm not sure medically, but I'm pretty sure it will cost you a lot) so that means, when this information is being used (by criminal purposes or what ever purposes that is bad) it will definitely going to trace you, obviously because your information was being registered or associated with that transaction.
Well, it's just a matter of time when a viral news hits the internet regarding identity thieves. I think this is the only kind of even where people realize how much valuable these private information are.

Well I understand why they are doing it. They want to prevent bots from getting the airdrop however it’s scary what will happen when you submit your iris data print.

I don’t think right now anything would happen. But in the future maybe 10 years from now you might use your IRIS to pay bills. If someone has a copy of your IRIS then they can probably commit identify theft.

Hence why it’s not worth it.

I am steering clear of this project. Although we know that our data may already be available on the dark net, why increase your attack vectors and give your data to another corporation?

However this may not be true for for everyone because of economic problems. There are many third world countries where this dollar amount equates to a significant money in their local currency and hence there will be many takers for this.

This is why I always advocate education and skills to the path of enlightenment and not indoctrination. Having that education would mean a better job and better income and knowledge of how big companies work and avoiding these projects.

This is the current issue now. We don't know if our data and copy of our iris are being stored safely. We still don't know if the device they are using is safe and no bug at all. This is the current problem. It could be hacked or anything worst to happen.

The concept of this for me is good but for me, it seems not to be accessible fo now, especially for some areas that are not yet accessible or people is not yet introduced to this or any related project like cryptocurrency or Bitcoin or much worst is internet.

Selling quite sensitive iris data with a coin that is worth $ 70 is quite sad. In fact, the price of these coins will decrease even more because many will make sales after getting their coins. The iris data they collect to dominate the world's data. Like fingerprint data and then in the future they will sell the iris data. this will be needed by many agencies so they will get a lot of money from the data. it will certainly be integrated into AI technology later.

 




 Human Identification is important (not necessary though) in cryptocurrency space but shouldn't be done in this manner.


A Crypto compatible human identification scheme should be decentralized p2p identification and verification. It's either done online(virtual world) or offline (physical world) or both.
We have written extensively on both... but I want to dwell abit on the offline/physical part today. It could simply be done by randomly selecting reputable verifiers or people on a decentralized ID system and assigning them to people who wish to ID themselves physically. Locations where the identification and verification can be safely done by the peers is randomly selected for them. They meet at the locations and the verifiers compare the peers IDs with their physical appearances, then use the peers phones or specialized cameras that cannot save copies of the owners IDs, to take photos of the peers and their IDs (probably via the decentralized ID application/system) and immediately have them saved on the ID system. Once saved it's thoroughly encrypted and the private keys given to the owners.
The owners can always use the private keys or corresponding public keys/addresses for certain transactions, websites/dapps authentications etc. And blue "verified" checkmarks shown on their profiles on the Decentralized ID system... including the public keys of their verifiers and their reputation scores. Verifiers reputation could be scored by other verifiers(who should aswell be randomly selected) during second verification of owners IDs by 1 or 2 of the verifiers, and the date of the verification could be random.


This method is Bitcoin-friendly and way safer

Hi, i would like to ask how the identification of the iris will be carried out for people who have vision problems, blind people, etc. Thanks

why would you think blind people will use this? seriously man? what kind of question is this  :(

Sorry? This coin is not for the blind people?

And that is the issue, they are in fact offering you to pay you such a small amount of money for personal information that you cannot change, and that amount of money will even go down as the price of their token will plummet at some point, so you will give that information for almost no gain for yourself which is even worse, however it is entirely possible there are people desperate enough to grab that money and make the owners of this coin extremely rich as such information will be worth a lot of money for some specialized companies all over the world.

Worldcoin is a project of the founder of ChatGPT and collects sensitive data by retinal scanning. First of all, I would never give my data to this project. Secondly, we may hear that it will be banned in many countries in the near future. They cannot collect such sensitive data so easily. I am sure they will face sanctions in many parts of the world. Apart from that, I can safely repeat that I will never join it.