Title: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 06, 2023, 02:51:21 PM Hello everyone
I am an old user here. please only serious posts. thank you Admin, if I posted this in the wrong board, please move it to the right one I am looking for a developer for a popular skill-game. the skill-game is an old and popular one but my idea how to play it and use it in tournaments is new and a nice moneymaker for whoever will offer it or add it to his casino. it should be buy-in tournaments. The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. BTW for any developer - I like it simple and stupid Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: seoincorporation on August 06, 2023, 07:47:53 PM I am looking for a developer for a popular skill-game. the skill-game is an old and popular one but my idea how to play it and use it in tournaments is new and a nice moneymaker for whoever will offer it or add it to his casino. it should be buy-in tournaments. Would be nice to know the name of the game, but if it's popular as you mention, then for sure you can find an open source code on github, that's a good starting point.The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. If the idea is to bring it as a service for the casinos, then you need to make an API for the games provider, and you are not the one who handles the coins or the balance, your service should only make the tournament and inform to the casino who is the winner based on the games results. I think the hard part of the project isn't to develop the engine, the hard part is to convince stake and freebitco to integrate it in the casino. Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 07, 2023, 06:49:41 AM I am looking for a developer for a popular skill-game. the skill-game is an old and popular one but my idea how to play it and use it in tournaments is new and a nice moneymaker for whoever will offer it or add it to his casino. it should be buy-in tournaments. Would be nice to know the name of the game, but if it's popular as you mention, then for sure you can find an open source code on github, that's a good starting point.The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. If the idea is to bring it as a service for the casinos, then you need to make an API for the games provider, and you are not the one who handles the coins or the balance, your service should only make the tournament and inform to the casino who is the winner based on the games results. I think the hard part of the project isn't to develop the engine, the hard part is to convince stake and freebitco to integrate it in the casino. hey Thanks for your smart questions and views. The popular skill game I mean is rummy. There are 13 and 10 card rummy variants. I like the 10 card version of rummy more because it is faster and easier to learn and it should be provably fair. I can even give out more info as it should be a single player rummy. some call it solitaire. means you don't play against anyone. First of all, it is not the idea to bring it to casinos. It is for me as it is unique and will be a real money maker game for anyone who will offer it. But to be frank for example for me I would need to find participants that will take time and eat money and then when out everyone can copy it. That's why I thought that there are many casinos out there with a large amount of players/members and let's take for example Freebitco with 50 million + members, for them it would be a money printing machine. especially because they have Fun Token and it would fit in perfectly. Imagine a daily skill game tournament with xxx participants with a small buy-in and the sum of all buy-ins goes back to the players/participants as cash prizes from the prize pool. Thanks again and stay safe! Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: seoincorporation on August 07, 2023, 08:07:02 PM As i mentioned before, github all the way and you will find the right code, for example:
Rummy Python: https://github.com/OrderAndCh4oS/Python-Rummy Rummy full-stack: https://github.com/sshh12/Rummy That's the easy way to build it from scratch, now you only need the users/depo/withraw engine. You can handle the coins with API providers or you can have your own nodes on a VPS and have better control over the coins. But this option isn't easy at all because Bitcoin node is heavy as hell and you need a robust VPS for it. Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 08, 2023, 08:38:11 AM As i mentioned before, github all the way and you will find the right code, for example: Rummy Python: https://github.com/OrderAndCh4oS/Python-Rummy Rummy full-stack: https://github.com/sshh12/Rummy That's the easy way to build it from scratch, now you only need the users/depo/withraw engine. You can handle the coins with API providers or you can have your own nodes on a VPS and have better control over the coins. But this option isn't easy at all because Bitcoin node is heavy as hell and you need a robust VPS for it. Thanks again for trying to help. I checked the 2 links you gave, but those are multiplayer or one player against a bot/AI. I am looking for a 10 card rummy solitaire where the player just plays against no one. 52 cards shuffled and player is dealt 10 cards. then he draws one card from the draw pile and discards one card from his hand until 10 cards are melded and he discards the 11th card. I may have posted this in the wrong sub forum, as no developer has replied yet. Cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: WillyAp on August 08, 2023, 09:55:36 PM The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. A skill game where people can bet money on? You need to look for Hosting first, Offshore most likely and the domain name you cannot just buy at names.com or Namescheap.com I'd use Easydns.com for that. Hosting in the caribbean, there its not as harsh as in the US while bien relatively close (to the US). If you openly present your name and not being a company you could get issue with the states. Info on licences: https://www.americancasinoguide.com/guides/gambling-licenses As APP you need a licence too. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9877032?hl=en A website has the advantage of working on mobiles equally well. Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 09, 2023, 06:00:47 AM The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. A skill game where people can bet money on? You need to look for Hosting first, Offshore most likely and the domain name you cannot just buy at names.com or Namescheap.com I'd use Easydns.com for that. Hosting in the caribbean, there its not as harsh as in the US while bien relatively close (to the US). If you openly present your name and not being a company you could get issue with the states. Info on licences: https://www.americancasinoguide.com/guides/gambling-licenses As APP you need a licence too. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9877032?hl=en A website has the advantage of working on mobiles equally well. hello Thanks for trying to help and for your input. To clarify, it should only be a game that offers daily buy-in tournaments where 100% of the buy-in sum is paid out to the winners in cash prizes. Offering it on a website makes a lot of sense to me but I thought a dapp might be a good idea. but again I am not an expert. Cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: WillyAp on August 09, 2023, 12:20:20 PM it should only be a game that offers daily buy-in tournaments where 100% of the buy-in sum is paid out to the winners in cash prizes. I fear the moment cash, value is involved, you are in for some licences. Where do you live? Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 09, 2023, 01:56:20 PM it should only be a game that offers daily buy-in tournaments where 100% of the buy-in sum is paid out to the winners in cash prizes. I fear the moment cash, value is involved, you are in for some licences. Where do you live? cash could be crypto or stablecoins. if a license is needed I will need to check which one and if to expensive or to much headache I will look for someone who has also license and maybe needs a cash printing machine ;D as this game idea is a cash printing machine if it is in the right hands Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 11, 2023, 11:52:41 AM hey guys
still looking for an expert developer Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: hovara on August 11, 2023, 01:34:06 PM hey guys still looking for an expert developer Check your DMs Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 11, 2023, 02:36:27 PM hey guys still looking for an expert developer Check your DMs answered now thanks Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 14, 2023, 05:45:12 AM hey guys
still looking for an expert developer for my idea cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on August 14, 2023, 01:53:05 PM hey guys still looking for an expert developer for my idea cheers Will you pay the developer using the 23 BTC you stole from your user who hit the jackpot in your previous gambling site? ----- ----- So lets take you points and then apply them towards your former operation. To sum up your points "An owner should not receive rain or tips." - 10/20 - NotTardy hits Jackpot for 105 BTC only receiving 72 BTC of the actual wager. - 10/20 - JackPotRacer receives 4 forced tips equal to approximately 30 BTC from NotTardy - 10/21 - JPR rains 7.x BTC to his users as inline with his contest. Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508394.msg16636073#msg16636073 So where did the remaining 23 BTC go? You kept it. Just as you did with every other jackpot win. You walked away with a 23 BTC forced tip. ------ ------- Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 20, 2023, 10:19:31 AM hey
still looking for a dev cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: hovara on August 21, 2023, 04:51:15 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 21, 2023, 05:13:39 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that do you really want me to publish here our DM conversation with the BS you wrote as you did not want to talk here as I wanted and did not contact you on TG or mail? gladly I am smarter than you and nothing and especially not such bad behavior will help you to get work at least not from me. let me show you what I got when yo DMed me !!!WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! no one should ever fall in your developer TRAP! Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: hovara on August 21, 2023, 07:56:32 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that do you really want me to publish here our DM conversation with the BS you wrote as you did not want to talk here as I wanted and did not contact you on TG or mail? gladly I am smarter than you and nothing and especially not such bad behavior will help you to get work at least not from me. let me show you what I got when yo DMed me !!!WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! no one should ever fall in your developer TRAP! Feel free to show everything. You wanted portfolio and offer and I gave you what you wanted. Your answer was that my offer of 3 ETH was too high and you are talking with developers that will deliver it for less. I have nothing to hide :) Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 21, 2023, 08:26:53 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that do you really want me to publish here our DM conversation with the BS you wrote as you did not want to talk here as I wanted and did not contact you on TG or mail? gladly I am smarter than you and nothing and especially not such bad behavior will help you to get work at least not from me. let me show you what I got when yo DMed me !!!WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! no one should ever fall in your developer TRAP! Feel free to show everything. You wanted portfolio and offer and I gave you what you wanted. Your answer was that my offer of 3 ETH was too high and you are talking with developers that will deliver it for less. I have nothing to hide :) stupid Liar!! you could not show the app you said you did no one should work with you. everyone is welcome to get all the info needed to understand why not to work with hovara Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: hovara on August 21, 2023, 10:18:00 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that do you really want me to publish here our DM conversation with the BS you wrote as you did not want to talk here as I wanted and did not contact you on TG or mail? gladly I am smarter than you and nothing and especially not such bad behavior will help you to get work at least not from me. let me show you what I got when yo DMed me !!!WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! no one should ever fall in your developer TRAP! Feel free to show everything. You wanted portfolio and offer and I gave you what you wanted. Your answer was that my offer of 3 ETH was too high and you are talking with developers that will deliver it for less. I have nothing to hide :) stupid Liar!! you could not show the app you said you did no one should work with you. everyone is welcome to get all the info needed to understand why not to work with hovara Obviously you don't know how to use VPN ;) I told you the app is restricted by region and you could have searched it behind a VPN. You are trying to get your hands clean but everything can be proofed with couple of screeenshots ;) Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on August 21, 2023, 10:56:23 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that do you really want me to publish here our DM conversation with the BS you wrote as you did not want to talk here as I wanted and did not contact you on TG or mail? gladly I am smarter than you and nothing and especially not such bad behavior will help you to get work at least not from me. let me show you what I got when yo DMed me !!!WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! no one should ever fall in your developer TRAP! Feel free to show everything. You wanted portfolio and offer and I gave you what you wanted. Your answer was that my offer of 3 ETH was too high and you are talking with developers that will deliver it for less. I have nothing to hide :) stupid Liar!! you could not show the app you said you did no one should work with you. everyone is welcome to get all the info needed to understand why not to work with hovara Obviously you don't know how to use VPN ;) I told you the app is restricted by region and you could have searched it behind a VPN. You are trying to get your hands clean but everything can be proofed with couple of screeenshots ;) thanks for the bump Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on October 21, 2023, 07:18:40 PM hey
still looking for a dev cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on November 03, 2023, 09:45:47 AM hey still looking for a dev cheers Not surprised it is hard for you finding someone working for you after you stole 23 BTC from your user. ----- ----- So lets take you points and then apply them towards your former operation. To sum up your points "An owner should not receive rain or tips." - 10/20 - NotTardy hits Jackpot for 105 BTC only receiving 72 BTC of the actual wager. - 10/20 - JackPotRacer receives 4 forced tips equal to approximately 30 BTC from NotTardy - 10/21 - JPR rains 7.x BTC to his users as inline with his contest. Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508394.msg16636073#msg16636073 So where did the remaining 23 BTC go? You kept it. Just as you did with every other jackpot win. You walked away with a 23 BTC forced tip. ------ ------- Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 03, 2023, 12:04:33 PM welcome back Dogedigital!
why are you hiding behind a fake name? you and your partners stole all the money from the moneypot guys! shame on you guys! I rained 8 bitcoins to al the chat visitors on this day ;D you can search for the thread and see who received the rain. show me one who rains 8 bitcoins ;D wish you only bad things and for free Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on November 06, 2023, 08:47:14 AM welcome back Dogedigital! why are you hiding behind a fake name? you and your partners stole all the money from the moneypot guys! shame on you guys! I rained 8 bitcoins to al the chat visitors on this day ;D you can search for the thread and see who received the rain. show me one who rains 8 bitcoins ;D wish you only bad things and for free am showing who stole 23 BTC Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 06, 2023, 09:34:39 AM welcome back Dogedigital! why are you hiding behind a fake name? you and your partners stole all the money from the moneypot guys! shame on you guys! I rained 8 bitcoins to al the chat visitors on this day ;D you can search for the thread and see who received the rain. show me one who rains 8 bitcoins ;D wish you only bad things and for free am showing who stole 23 BTC Doge you and your partners are the thieves and it is well known! very strange that admins do not take care of you as they should ban you how are you enjoying my 4 Bitcoins? you thief Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 06, 2023, 12:25:24 PM https://i.ibb.co/cCzGSnY/as123servicesthread8.jpg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3289997) What's your budget? Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on November 06, 2023, 03:09:18 PM What's your budget? Free suggestion : don't waste your time with this person, just check his trust rating and post history, beside extorting money to his users he is the queen of complainers. hey still looking for a dev cheers OP has a budget for a landing page wanting to create a skill-game so be aware of that Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 06, 2023, 06:10:09 PM https://i.ibb.co/cCzGSnY/as123servicesthread8.jpg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3289997) What's your budget? thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: windnfire on November 07, 2023, 06:16:29 AM Hello everyone I am an old user here. please only serious posts. thank you Admin, if I posted this in the wrong board, please move it to the right one I am looking for a developer for a popular skill-game. the skill-game is an old and popular one but my idea how to play it and use it in tournaments is new and a nice moneymaker for whoever will offer it or add it to his casino. it should be buy-in tournaments. The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. BTW for any developer - I like it simple and stupid Hey there, I got all in one box solutions for blockchain game creation, let's connect Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 07, 2023, 06:21:23 AM Hello everyone I am an old user here. please only serious posts. thank you Admin, if I posted this in the wrong board, please move it to the right one I am looking for a developer for a popular skill-game. the skill-game is an old and popular one but my idea how to play it and use it in tournaments is new and a nice moneymaker for whoever will offer it or add it to his casino. it should be buy-in tournaments. The question is should it be a dapp, an app or on a website? I have no idea. Buy-ins should be in crypto and stablecoins so everyone can participate. For example, it would be perfect for casinos with many users/members like Stake.com or Freebitcoin.in etc. BTW for any developer - I like it simple and stupid Hey there, I got all in one box solutions for blockchain game creation, let's connect thank you also for the answer and trying to help sorry but would you please so kind to explain what you mean with all in one box solution? shall I DM you or you can DM me if you want to explain in private cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 07, 2023, 07:45:22 PM If it didn't work send a message thanks.
thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 07, 2023, 08:23:19 PM If it didn't work send a message thanks. thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers you could not send a private message to me? Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 12:04:23 AM I could've sent it but you didn't send one so I didn't know you expected it. Try privnote.com for privacy. If the dev you're talking to doesn't do the job send a message.
If it didn't work send a message thanks. you could not send a private message to me?thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 12:16:37 AM What's your budget? Free suggestion : don't waste your time with this person, just check his trust rating and post history, beside extorting money to his users he is the queen of complainers.If it didn't work send a message thanks. you could not send a private message to me?thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 08, 2023, 06:04:56 AM What's your budget? Free suggestion : don't waste your time with this person, just check his trust rating and post history, beside extorting money to his users he is the queen of complainers.hmm so you are listening to this scumbag? and you want money in advance? just forget it I don't pay in advance! cheers Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on November 11, 2023, 06:45:27 AM What's your budget? Free suggestion : don't waste your time with this person, just check his trust rating and post history, beside extorting money to his users he is the queen of complainers.If it didn't work send a message thanks. you could not send a private message to me?thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Told ya, you see now? It's a problem even messaging with this phsyco scammer. Imagine being paid ahahahahahha Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 11, 2023, 08:10:56 AM What's your budget? Free suggestion : don't waste your time with this person, just check his trust rating and post history, beside extorting money to his users he is the queen of complainers.If it didn't work send a message thanks. you could not send a private message to me?thank you for contacting. it is never a question of my budget. it is a question how much you will ask after you understood the project and workload. for now to be frank I am right now talking to a developer. as soon I will know if this is the wrong one I will ping you if it is ok with you cheers Told ya, you see now? It's a problem even messaging with this phsyco scammer. Imagine being paid ahahahahahha the Scammer is you and I still do not understand why admins don't ban you Dogedigital the thief who stole all the money from Moneypot investors and casino owners. Karma will get you Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: RRZpU on November 13, 2023, 08:34:22 AM the Scammer is you and I still do not understand why admins don't ban you Dogedigital the thief who stole all the money from Moneypot investors and casino owners. Karma will get you reminder - 10/20 - NotTardy hits Jackpot for 105 BTC only receiving 72 BTC of the actual wager. - 10/20 - JackPotRacer receives 4 forced tips equal to approximately 30 BTC from NotTardy - 10/21 - JPR rains 7.x BTC to his users as inline with his contest. Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508394.msg16636073#msg16636073 So where did the remaining 23 BTC go? You kept it. Just as you did with every other jackpot win. You walked away with a 23 BTC forced tip. ------ ------- Title: Re: looking for a developer for a popular skill-game Post by: JackpotRacer on November 13, 2023, 08:58:33 AM the Scammer is you and I still do not understand why admins don't ban you Dogedigital the thief who stole all the money from Moneypot investors and casino owners. Karma will get you reminder - 10/20 - NotTardy hits Jackpot for 105 BTC only receiving 72 BTC of the actual wager. - 10/20 - JackPotRacer receives 4 forced tips equal to approximately 30 BTC from NotTardy - 10/21 - JPR rains 7.x BTC to his users as inline with his contest. Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508394.msg16636073#msg16636073 So where did the remaining 23 BTC go? You kept it. Just as you did with every other jackpot win. You walked away with a 23 BTC forced tip. ------ ------- now you are talking the truth, very much appreciated it. I earned it and it was very big published in my T&Cs and even moneypot owners confirmed that all was correct as it was in the T&Cs published for everyone to see. means no one was forced to participate in the games but the games were so attractive with Jackpots that everyone was glad to participate and enjoying those unique games. in Dust (satoshi) we Trust where could someone win with Dust so many Bitcoins? Even Ryan Harvard wrote in the thread that my jackpot idea was ingenious and even used it in the Moneypot code without asking me. you forgot all my ingenious promotions which costs and the coins I gave to many users no one talked about. as you see I am always admitting the truth. just talk straight forward to me without false accusations cheers edit: I forgot to mention that even many <P casino owners came over to play my unique games and told me how much they love to play for example Jackpot Racer game. even whales came to play but under a different user name. |