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I have been into sports betting for a while now and i am not really proud of my earliest experience in gambling, i feel like i am the most unlucky person in the world i lost a lot of games and also i lost a lot of money. I had knowledge about football and basketball games and they were my most picked games and even so I kept losing all my bets and even when i try to play safe i still end up losing and whenever i ask my friends for games we still end up losing the bet then i got tired and in the end i gave up and tried to quit gambling and I left it for some months. During this period my friends made a lot of money gambling and i was envious of them but it didn’t made me change my mind to start gambling over again.

Some months later i came across a telegram channel and i joined, it was a gambling channel that posted free sports bets for its users and there is also a VIP section where users subscribe for some sure games. I am well aware of all these techniques used by scammers so I decided to observe the channel and follow up games posted and I discovered he won most of the games and had about 80% victory rate. Then after some time I decided to try my luck again so I played one of his games and i won i was so happy and it was as though the curse placed on me has been lifted and I tried some more games and i won again and again and since the beginning of the new season i only lost twice and i am now proud of my gambling achievements.

According to the channel free games are limited and we can only enjoy for a month and now the month is almost over and only VIPs will be entitled to games when the month elapses. I have been having doubts whether to join the VIP zone because I don’t want to be scammed that’s why i want to know your opinions.

 What do you all think i should do?

I haven’t really used any vip telegram channels for myself, I do look at them the same way I do for those channels that offers trading signals I think of them as scam and I don’t want to risk paying for something that I will end up regretting.

Although, I have heard of someone who uses a vip channel and based on his experience, not all the games that are being predicted in their vip channel are sure, but if it was to be compared to the the number of wins he has made its cool.
But, if you ever want to pay for any vip channel make sure you’re ready to lose the money that you’re using to pay because there’s a higher probability of you losing your money and still lose most of your bets so in a way I guess it’s a 50-50 something, it’s either you profit or you lose.

You have been gambling for some years now, therefore you already have good experience. You have joined a telegram channel and you are experiencing wins and you love it. The one month is almost over, and you are undecided because you do not want to be scammed. The point of trying to summarize what you have written is that you should be able to smell a scam from a far. No risk no reward right? If you are scared that after paying for the VIP you may get scammed and you will not be able to face yourself, then don't pay. However, if your risk appetite is high, go in by all means. But take caution. That is my opinion.

I don't think any sport bettor should be relying on those so called VIP channels to make wins in sport betting.I think people nowadays have enough resources in the internet that they only need time to calmly analyze any event before betting on.You have from news sites,prediction sites,sites that covers everything is going on with a certain team that for me only people who do not believe in themselves find these telegram VIP channels as an alternative to keep winning in sport bets.

I don't think any VIP telegram channel can offer guaranteed profit in sport betting no matter how good they are so better forget about them.If you are obsessed at trying then try for one month but as I said I highly discourage such event.

It is normal for you to be skeptical of such Telegram channels because there are thousands of people and Telegram channels that are scamming in this way. Here, before making a decision I will suggest that you do a research about the channel and the owner of the channel you mentioned because it is possible to come across really successful Telegram channels in such channels although it's rare. If you can reach someone who has purchased this service on a free or paid channel, that person's comments will influence your decision. Also, were you able to earn the cost of the paid service from the free Telegram channel to purchase this service? This is definitely a very important detail because in case of any fraudulent, you will not lose money from your own pocket. For this reason, I would suggest that you consider such details and research the channel as best you can before joining paid Telegram channels.

Forget about relying on channels and instead focus on learning from your own experiences. It's normal to lose most of the time when you're still a newbie, as you lack experience, and eventually, you'll learn from your mistakes. Having knowledge of the game isn't sufficient; what you need is a learning experience. It won't cost you a lot of money if you know how to effectively manage your bankroll.

Your problem is that you've already lost a lot of money despite being new to gambling. I would say your approach is incorrect. The right thing to do is to start small and progress gradually. Once you feel you've gained consistency in winning, that's the time you can wager larger amounts of money.

Don't expect overnight success in sports betting. Successful sports bettors achieved their success through a long-term journey, where they experienced both highs and lows.

Rest from gambling and use different strategies on gambling since even with your comfortable sports bet pick is still not working on your side. It only shows that something is wrong on your analysis skills and you should analyze first before you start gambling again.

I usually play different games until I find a game that will give me a better winning probability. Gambling is still requires a lot of luck even on sportsbetting, you will need to experiment until you find the perfect game that will work for you. Just rest if gambling doesn’t give you entertainment and just a burden.

It is obvious that you do not get the proper result on your own, your knowledge and ability to analyze events is not enough to win at a distance. But it’s also not clear with the telegram channel, because you saw its results only for a short period of time, and you don’t know what the results will be there, in a month or two, they can also have a losing streak, no one is safe from this. If your result depends on someone else, then it is better to exclude it.

There's a chance if they're just lucky by giving correct prediction, but there's a chance if they're a legit channel.

Since the result you're using their predictions are good, I can't comment too much especially you're also know if there are so many scam channels.

Always remember this, gambling is only for fun, don't really looking to make money through gambling. If you're looking for money and you're not win after joining their VIP zone, then gambling isn't for you.

It's already fishy for me because you could do more research about the group you have joined if it's legit or not. But the most common case of scamming is that they would let you taste some win and cash out some money so when they baited you, you would avail the VIP so you could just do gambling. If you have provided in the post OP what kind of gambling group is that so we could check the legitimate. Gambling doesn't guarantee you win even if you joined the VIP so it's still up to you since it's risky the fact that you'll have to subscribe first. I think the best thing to do OP is to learn your past mistakes like where did you lack like strategies whether when to pick a good team since your do betting at sports game and think wisely on the money that your putting at stake.

Now a days many online scamming was take place by the various form.One among this was telegram scamming,the scammer will create a channel and add the 10-100k users.So that the new people think it as the big project and they won’t scam them.But the fact is totally different one,the scammer will ask some money to join the group itself.Mostly the group is based on the signals for the crypto trading.This applies to both for the crypto based and on gambling.The wide range of the scam was based on the signals and they made to scam using the channel and ask to inverse on the fake project for the big profit.At the end the scammer will get your money for the twice.

Gambling is risky enough. No owner of a Telegram channel can one hundred percent guarantee that his predictions will come true. In my opinion, it is much better to understand a particular sport (you already know how to do it) and gradually increase your capital without unnecessary risks. Personally, I am not in favor of paying for information that you can get for free, so I would recommend you to focus on your analytical knowledge.

Like other scams, they will make you experience wins for a limited time being VIP, it will feel like its a bug because it's always a win, but when you subscribed to the marketed promo, it will be just get back to normal. You still will experience losses like normal gambling. Maybe just greater edge over the house but not a 100% always a win. So regardless of the signal you get or the participation of greater win, it's more important to manage your risk properly along with your strategy joining the said telegram.

Gambling is very risky, we ought to know the amount of losses we can take in and the one we can breath out. Playing crucial fixed games from telegram channels, ofcourse you of all people should know that most of these premiums telegram channels are scams, we just have to be extremely careful when dealing with these games. In my opinion, I would urged you to take good time to check the possibilities of the group to turn out to be scam or legit. We should take risks, afterall you have gain some significant figures from their betting channel, so losing won't be any challenge.

Analyse yourself and compare the bets predicted by you as well as the suggestions provided from the VIP telegram channel. Sometimes this could be a coincidence or it can be precise prediction from the channel. It looks like you're lucky to win good. If you find the suggestions from the channel is worth the subscription cost then go for it. With gambling everything is connected with luck. Right now luck had favoured and you're successful. We don't know how effective this will continue. Keeping in mind it is good to gather as much data and make your own prediction taking suggestions as reference.

I don't know what to tell you, be careful telegram channel is a hotbed of fraud, especially in sports betting.

To be honest I always avoid and don't want to deal with telegram channels to gamble, I think if they are good at predictions, why don't they do it themselves, whose logic doesn't want money, if the prediction really happens, for that there is nothing right in terms of That.

Example: one of the sports betting channels.

I often see users elsewhere complaining about sports betting via the VIP telegram channel who get scammed.
For example:
* List Of Telegram Fixed Match Scammers... - Sports (8) - Nairaland (https://www.nairaland.com/4667633/list-telegram-fixed-match-scammers/7)

I think the quote above can be a consideration if you want to continue or stop using the VIP telegram channel in gambling.

Buddy, I think this is the time where you should reflect and decide on which path do you really want to invest it. Surely, your experiences tell you that something is not working. Even if it may work in the future, you just have to accept that your losses may probably more than your winnings. Worse, it may even accumulate more in the process, thereby making you stuck in that very position.

Ask yourself- what do you really want to do? Do you enjoy gambling due to the adrenaline kicking; or do you gamble for profit? Such answer will depend on what path you would choose and even if you decide to stay, you very well know that things are not working.

If there's payment required for that VIP group to join in then I won't waste time with them. It's a scammy type of scheme and you will end up getting maybe one tip and it's done.
Bet on the sport that you like. That way it will be easier to predict the outcome of the game. Don't waste money looking for a group that will give you tips about where you should bet with. Instead, use your free time watching the games and be updated with roster changes and injury news.

I have been following three different sports and somehow I could still end up winning my bets at a high percentage. You can do it too as long as you really love the sport that you will betting for. But just don't let emotions get the better of you.

OP you sound like someone who has taking gambling as a part-time job or a source of income for you whereas it's not meant to be that way. If you have been losing your bets for a long time now doesn't mean you are cursed it's part of gambling which some of us gamblers have experienced such times before and if you don't take hold for yourself you start thinking something is wrong with you just as you're doing now.  Joining any channel for predictions tips isn't the solution, it might help but momentary as there's no 100% sure predictions.

You said you have been given two time free predictions tips from this telegram channel you just joined and the predictions all won, alright. I'll suggest you use the profit you made from those two winnings to pay the subscription and test the VIP section if you lose the first two predictions you get from the VIP section then stop from further subscription even if you won one don't continue cause it's mostly likely the channel is not reliable as their predictions is mainly just lucky ones.

But if they turn out to be scammer and had to ran away with your money at your first subscription then you still didn't lose anything as it's the money from the first two free predictions you used in subscribing.

I have never used or subscribed to a VIP sports prediction channel before, so I clearly do not have any experience of how they really operate, and like you @Op, i also can not say that i am very proud with my gambling and betting experience so far, as i have lost far more games than I ever won, and to be honest, sometimes, i do feel like subscribing to such services, but knowing that most of them are just scammers looking for prey to feed on in the name of sharing sure bet/games, this just discourages me from participating in such services .

what I can say now is that, since you have tried this service and you seem satisfied with it, I personally believe that with the few games you have won through their free picks, you must have made enough profit to cover for the cost of subscribing for the VIP services, you can take your chances and try the VIP services out since you are losing nothing but only part of the profit you've made through the same service, if I was you, this is what I was going to do after all .

And I also don't mind you sharing the group or channel, I might want to check them out and possibly join, my pm is open just incase you cant  or don't want to share the link to the group or channel publicly.

You still have the passion to bet, and you have been trying and failing until you came across this particular group. I am sure you have learned a lot from the little games you have played on the group, and by now you should have little experience on how to place a sure bet.

Nevertheless, if you feel it is cool for you to subscribe to the VIP Channel, then you can do that. Since you are addicted to gambling and not willing to stop, leaving the group will not be the solution since you have testified that there is an 80% winning chance and you have experienced it while enjoying the first free month. Make sure you avoid being greedy.

I only ever used these premium channels once, and never tried it again. In terms of win rate, they are really high, although most of them are games that we can easily predict without their help. Also, they don't have that much bets that get a lot of value so that's another thing that they failed to deliver on. 1.x odds are pretty common, though bets with 2.x odds are something that I don't see on them. They get you to profit, but it'll take a while before you break even from the expense you paid on subscribing to their channel.

High chance that this is a scam. Sure bet can only be attain by match fixing or arbitrage betting which are both not allowed in the casino. A service that offers this kind of bet is either lying or will make your account put in danger since you will be connected to those players that is ban on the casino by choosing the same bet that already flagged a red tag for match fixing or arbitrage.

There's no guarantee profit on gambling. Invest on Bitcoin instead of gambling using this kind of method just to get profit.

That's quite the journey, isn't it, from being a sad loser to having a fleeting taste of success? You know, you got off to a bad start, and now you believe that watching some odd channel will help you turn things around? Rethink that

Not to mention that there is no such thing as a "curse." Simply put, you lacked the appropriate tactics! Your original setbacks? purely due to your inexperience. And now you're infatuated with the success rate of some channel? It's simple to show off significant victories while concealing setbacks, let me tell you that. Ever consider that this 80% success rate could be a marketing gimmick?

Regarding the VIP area, it's traditional bait. They entice you in, give you a taste of success, and then? I dunno. Perhaps they are simply ready to swindle you once more! Are you prepared to suffer two burns? You're seeking feedback, right? This is mine: Stay astute. Avoid being seduced by a flashy VIP promise. Recall your prior setbacks and never allow anyone to take advantage of you

In my opinion, you should not pay for access to a VIP chat to continue to receive such tips.
All this situation where you find yourself in is highly subjective, you started to get positive results after you went through a bad streak, it is easy for you to assume that their winning rates are very good, since you have given up on your capacity to predict outcomes by your own.

It is not about a curse as you have mentioned, it is about statistics.
People like you who cannot cope by their own are the main targets of scammers and you should not make groups like those your priority, your priority is supposed to be to recover trust in yourself, so no one will take advantage of you, OP.

You think resting and strategy hopping is the solution? Look deeper! Every game, every bet, is meticulously crafted to milk your optimism dry. Your "perfect game" is a mirage. And the games that seem to offer better odds? They're mere traps, whispering sweet promises of winnings that will always remain out of reach.

Sports betting isnt just about luck. Its a predatory game preying on your emotional vulnerability. You keep searching for that winning strategy, hoping it will magically align with your misguided analysis skills. Wake up! Stop deluding yourself. Either you get ahead of the game by understanding its core mechanics, or you remain its pawn. There's no middle ground.

That's the temptation they offer you by giving free signals for a month. I suggest not accepting their offer to join the VIP channel because I'm not sure their service will be as good as the free signal. They are used to doing that to attract more members to join their VIP signals.

Or you can ask one of the free members in the same group. Is he interested in joining his VIP signal or looking for another group? But it's better not to try to join but to use the money to bet and learn more about the sport you love at the same time.

Moreover, you say you know about football and basketball, so you should develop your analytical skills only. It gets better because you won't depend on any signal group. But if you never win again after this, you don't have to force yourself to keep betting on sports.

If you can afford the VIP subscription try a monthly signal to test and ascertain the credibility of the telegram channel though you had confirmed that you had a consistent winning streaks during the free trials, I believe nothing will change if you subscribe to the VIP signals, however a trial will convince you and avoid any subscription more than a month atleast if you eventually pay for the monthly subscription you should be able to recoup the fee you paid for the VIP signals at the end of the month if your winnings is enough thereafter take a final decision whether to continue with them or not.

You're the only one who can analyze it you said you have a winning run after joining the game, do a calculation if the VIP price is worth it and your winnings based on their tips are enough to regain your investment then its worth it, and better ask other members for feedbacks if its worth upgrading to VIP to gain more tips.
You are going to get scammed if their winning tips are not beyond average, VIP status on these gaming groups has exclusivity because they pay people to analyze something that will cost you time if you're going to do it by yourself and if you're not that good in analysis.

that would be the better thing to do. you won't form your own strategy if you will rely on these signals. and the truth is, no one can guarantee that you will have the same outcome when you finally decided to get the VIP subscription. the trial results may not be the same when you have the VIP status. but if you have extra funds and you think you can gain from having such status, then, by all means it is your choice to subscribe. but you can't blame anyone if after couple of months you are on the losing side already.

Nah, I won't pay for betting tips. I'd seen it many times and just like you who'd been losing a lot before, it could also happen to that paid sports betting channel. Remember, luck is not always on our side. So as long as you have the time to do your own research and follow your favorite teams and players then you should be fine. There are many threads here that discuss soccer and basketball and many are also sharing their bets. You can start comparing their pick to yours. You can also observe their bets so you can identify who's always winning and who's not.

I agree with you on the anxiety aspect of ops and his risk calculation,  anyway,  the ops may be sceptical due to what he has heard about paid signal subscriptions and their resultant failure to yield positive results,  but what surprised me about the ops is that,  he has been in the free telegram group for almost a month now and he has tried out some games that were posted for free in the group and he won some and also lost some of those games,  he should take the VIP subscription the same way he takes the free bets.

Results won't be that different,  and also I will like to advise the ops to use the money he won from the free games to subscribe to the monthly fees,  so as not to be at a loss if the paid games did not work as expected or end up being scammed,  but just as you said,  ops should have been knowledgeable enough to notice of the group is fake or not because he has been on the group long enough to uncover any scammy activities.

I avoid any telegram transactions.  I do receive lots of DM and offers but I ignore them.  For me, Telegram is one of the havens of scammers.  So @OP if you are half-hearted on being VIP then don't avail for VIP.  And if that VIP status can be earned through wagering then just wager your way to the VIP but if you have something to pay or a subscription like option to avail for VIP then I believe you have to look for elsewhere where VIP status is dependent on your wagering done on the gambling site.

You say that you were lucky with free games from this channel, so check how much it costs to go VIP and don't spend your own money on this, but money won from betting with the free channel. I'd call that playing it safe. If he wants $100, make sure you have more than that from gambling with his free tips and then join the VIP, being careful you don't go over your limits. Only bet with the money you gained from this channel. Worst case scenario you'll be back to square 1 with the knowledge that they're scammers. After all, you can help the community by exposing them.

Stop. Forget about all the money that you've spent on it so far and accept it's gone, you will not earn it back in the same way. Take it as a very expensive lesson for what you should commit to never doing again. The toughest part of breaking the habit is at the beginning - the first few weeks and days, as any ex-smoker will tell you. You've fallen into and reinforced these habits over a long time, so you need to completely rewire your brain to get happiness from other activities. If you can, choose a time - ideally a holiday - where you will be able to completely break away from your current scene for a week or two, then you must stay away from it entirely when you get back, there is no "just a little bit" if you want to regain control. Determine your trigger points, like if it was the first thing you do in the day after starting your PC - find something else to do in the morning. If you play shooter games or if you're feeling sad, then have a tendency to jump on to a sports betting site after, realize that these subtle connections have built up in your mind and most importantly - know when they're happening, break the cycle and be alert that you do not fall into the same pattern again.

Although it’s not easy, and once someone is into gambling, they find it difficult to stop it, I will still advise you to forget about the money your friends made for the past few months when you stop gambling. You need to find a way to keep yourself busy without thinking of gambling because if you do not stop it in the early stages, you may not stop it when you are used to it, and gambling is something that is very easy to get addicted to, so for that reason, you need to stop it now to avoid unnecessary stories.

However, you know this can also put you in a financial downturn. You may later experience financial problems because when you are losing and keep placing the bet and do not get anything from it, there will definitely be problems. However, I consider gambling a lucky thing, even though I know there is some analysis that needs to be done before placing the bet. So maybe you are not lucky to be a gambler; find another way around, mate.

Yes, unfortunately there are too many scams today and Telegram channels have become a popular method preferred by most of the scammers. As you mentioned users are usually added to these Telegram channels, some of them active and some of them bots, creating the perception that really successful transactions are taking in this channel. In this way, a sense is created that this channel is successful and active and it is easier to scam people this way. As I mentioned before, if to generalize almost all of these Telegram channels are established and managed for fraudulent purposes. Although I have come across it very rarely, unfortunately it is not possible for me to say that the VIP services offered through Telegram channels in this way can be really useful for this reason. Considering many fraudulent Telegram channels, it is possible to easily say that these channel owners have defrauded every user at least twice as you have stated in general.

I believe that past performances are not a guarantee of future performances.
At the same time, I also believe that who has really this ability and is able to use get profits. will not waste time behind these truly ridiculous earns.
(there is also the risk that the value of the odds will decrease because more people go to bet on this exact same one... ::) )

Of course thats is my point of view but I will never join...

It is a simple and straightforward issue that you can decide for yourself. If you check yourself and the history of your gambling that you confirmed wasn't good and you were being frustrated until you met the telegram pay group that did a free tips and you won different times, maybe you could now try the VIP to see if it will work like the free tips and if you are not satisfied after trying, you can stop. There is no scam in that if the fee is okay by you and if it is a one time off for the month or based on the duration for the subscription.

Depends on you because you are the ones who would be making use of your money for you to earn money.If you do find out that those bets are having that good winning rate and does really convince and make you happy then why not try out the VIP subscription? If you are skeptical about scams and like this then better avoid it but we know that once that being contented and satisfied on what other people been giving on and having that good winning percentage then you would really be boggling up your mind specially if you are gradually being convinced that he's really doing a good picks.The decision would really be entirely depending on you
since not all would really be that positive when it comes to this. In regarding into your question then it would be entirely depending on you since its your funds to be used of and whether you would be following that common idea about sub fees on groups is never been recommendable or you would be just setting it aside and wanna try just because you've seen yourself able to win up then its not bad to try up.

I don't see this as a serious cause for concern, OP.
I mean, who doesn't like the taste of winning?
You found a means to have enjoyed a steady win and you are indecisive about trying the VIP package because you are still scared of being scammed?
Candidly, you can try not to gamble at all for a change.

It's true that scammers do use such telegram medium to do damage, but it doesn't stop the legit once from offering their services too.

sure it is nice to experience winning but what happens if you started losing again? if it were me I would take a step back and think carefully about what to do next, being in the right mindset before continuing to gamble is one of the best things gamblers should consider if they plan on gambling again. ,

anyway, I am curious about the name of the channel, and also what sports leagues are they betting on.

I don't know, the problem is that you are betting your money not our money, so it has to depend on your beliefs and whether you are willing to take the risk or not. But remember that most scams have schemes, patterns and strategies like that, they provide or hold free games that are easy to win with a limited time then if you want to keep playing you have to pay a certain amount of money to become a VIP member.
I think it's a kind of strategy to entice someone to trust their services more. By giving someone an easy win first to gain that person's trust.
But actually you can count on it. Did you get more wins while you were following their service than the amount of money they asked to become a VIP member?. If it's more money you get then you can give it a try but if it's not worth your winnings then I think it's best to avoid it or don't need to continue with them.

If you know football well enough and enjoy it, then you should be able to do your own analysis of a match. You don't need to spend more money to pay for other people's predictions on the bet you will make, that is not a sure solution to winning the bet. Let's just say that winning and losing is part of gambling, but you have to be able to control yourself enough that you shouldn't gamble on every match.

Choose a game that you think has a chance of winning, even if the odds aren't as good as you expected. Of course this can help you win something while enjoying the game with your friends. After all, you don't have to win 100%, this is because you are gambling.

What you got was a sign to leave permanently and never to try gambling your funds anymore but, you didn't really plan on that since you'd not even reconcile a thought to go back if you did.
I cannot give an advice that's gonna be vindictive to my personality tomorrow....pertaining the choice of whether or not to keep gambling; I don't wanna be a reason why you lost even more funds than you thought. Infact, upgrading to the VIP section should be an option you'd totally make on your own.

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Yes, if you are really that having that interest on football or basketball then making out bets would be entertaining and enjoyable if those bets made out by your own analysis and not from others because if you are really that finding yourself that having a losing streak or having that negative profits on your bets then it does mean that you arent good on making analysis but doesnt mean that you cant alter out the way you do behave on choosing those teams or players. Its not really that enjoyable or entertaining if you are longing just for positive or negative outcome basing up on others choices on which it does really erase or remove out that real essence of entertainment when it comes to betting or gambling itself which this should really be your main priority and not really that minding about making that as an income because it doesnt really fit out and this one would really be making you that desperate when it comes to this point. You should really know on distinguishing if you are playing for fun or playing for profits seriously.

Op need to think deeply before ever thinking of becoming a custom to gambling because things might get worse later. Gambling is something that we all expect to get winning but what about if the luck of winning a bet is no more there, what do you think will happen to him that is thinking of going deeply into gambling to the extend of getting a VIP role. We should not put all our hope in gambling because it has it own risk and we might get disappointed at the end if we don't take a deep breath and perus what we tend to gain if the worse happens to us.

Maybe you need time to also listen to other people's experience in gambling to know that you're not the one having this particular feelings with gambling, but before we ay proceed further maybe you should define the kind of gambler you're, are you really betting to make money and have your dependency on it or you're gambling for fun, this will help you know how to channel your want from your needs knowing the particular kind of gambler you are, then probably you will need to start changing games, maybe you could try out new categories for more better opportunities.

If you know about how these so called telegram channels are more of scammers groups trying to find more victims and if they are making such claims that they can help you win in such gambling related activities then leave them and use your own experience and skills to understand the games and win with more strategies.I have seen so many scams in telegram but there might be some legit one's also but do proper research about it.

Do you really need advice for something that is already an obvious thing to do?

You mentioned that you have knowledge about the sports you are picking with. It's just that even with your knowledge, you are on a losing streak. Therefore, just continue until such time that you know reach the stage where you can cope now on your own. You also mentioned that you are in doubt about this type of subscription but you won at some following their picks. Therefore, don't subscribe to avoid being confused.

Trust yourself. You can cope on your own and believe in that. It's impossible that you can't after being used to doing that thing.

If you really can't, then leave gambling for good.

Well seeing as you've had a good experience with it, if the cost doesn't burn that big of a hole in your pocket, I reckon it would be fine to try it out no? I reckon they're on a monthly/yearly subscription basis so maybe you can try it out for a month if you're really interested.

Personally though I wouldn't go for such channels, sports gambling is in the end, knowledge about the game and the players. If you were an avid fan of the game, then you'd inevitably know majority of the good players. Heck, even joining random discussions could grow knowledge in you about the ongoing events and top players. It's just a matter of analyzing these tiny details for you to be able to win or lose in a game imo.

After all those wins coming from free tips, you still do not trust the people in that group so how come? if you have doubts then don't, free sports bets are being offered to check how good they are at giving tips to their members if you think that these free bets are not worth it, then nothing will.

If the VIP is not worth the price based on their average win ratio then its not worth it, the purpose of the groups is to help bettors get into winning but unfortunately there's no such thing as free lunch you have to decide if you want their tips or not or can it help you to win more and those free bets that you've got are what will decide.

I have never joined any predictions social media group but I have heard the good, bad, and ugly stories from people that have joined such groups. The decision is up to you based on your experience with them. From your narration, they seem to give accurate bets since you have been winning consistently and lost in a few cases. Another factor is how much they are asking to join the VIP group. If the money is not too much then you can risk and pay after all you have benefited from free services. But if the fees are high you have to consider if the money is worth the service they propose to offer. Give them only what you can afford to lose because most of them are not trustworthy. I will also suggest that you learn how to analyze games and make predictions. This is because many of these platforms are handled by people with questionable characters.

Is the entire history of betting wins during the season thanks to that telegram channel's "winning hint"? What if you think of it as trying a new type of betting, you pay for a subscription while you don't know whether it will end up being a scam or not. I hope the subscription fee is equal to the value of each of your bets which before you are used to losing.

There are just times when we feel like we are cursed, experienced that one also that i think bookies were playing with me but it is just part of the game, i mean this is gambling and you might lost all your bet or win it all, or win just above 50 percent, we never know.

About that VIP in the telegram, i don't think it is good to subscribe to that one because that is just the same as the regular channel and it is like you let someone gamble your money with a fee which is unfair because it is not a sure win.

If i were you, i would just stick to the regular telegram channel and observe what's their strategies and might as well follow.

I wouldn't tell you to join or not join the VIP channel of that guy but I can throw my 2 cents about your situation and my opinion and suggestion about that. You said that you have knowledge and also experience with football and basketball, and when a person has knowledge about a certain sport, they tend to understand all the teams and the players and their past and most recent records, etc. In that case, if you were losing, it wasn't your fault but it was just a bad phase of your journey.

That being said, I believe you can still do it on your own if you start doing a bit of research and you will need to do that very less if you already watch all the games and are always updated about the particular sports you bet on. So, it's totally up to you if you want to pay someone to give you signals or do a little bit of work and do it yourself.

I think betting in gambling is mainly based on luck otherwise you lose money even if you are so experienced. I gambled for a few days but played many times in the first position and won but later lost all my money. In fact gambling can never change a person's future plans rather he loses the money he invests there. After a few gambling losses, one can no longer control oneself over betting, instead one blames oneself for repeatedly losing bets. If you want to gamble after seeing your friends winning bets then you don't do it at all, you are more likely to lose money and become addicted to gambling. Your friends may have good luck due to which they win the bet but you may not have good luck and some of you lose the bet. If you are lucky then it is possible to win big bets, sometimes you win big money but most of the time you have to lose money. So you keep doing good research about gambling and gain more experience maybe then in future you will reach your goal of winning bets.

first of all gambling is always closer to luck even in sports betting but luck still plays an important role here.

next, if you have some knowledge the sports you bet on I think you should at least win a few times. from my experience since first time I learned to know the sport I want to bet on at least a few times to win because choosing the underdog can sometimes make our bet win and if you always lose my question is do you bet on underdog team or do you bet on something else like handicap etc.?

I doubt if you know sports knowledge you bet a lot but you always lose it seems like you are so unlucky. but in my experience and the principles that I built myself its better for you to do your own prediction analysis to place your bet and VIP group that you know you can take as a consideration whether your analysis is correct and you should still choose to bet from your own predictions it will be far more appropriate for me.

I know you won't listen to me but what I would do if I were you is to quit gambling. The experience you've had is bad enough, and for you to want to continue is to dig yourself an even bigger hole.

If that has happened to you in sports betting where theoretically there is an edge you can get, then you were doing something wrong, betting too much money that you didn't really need or something like that.

I'm guessing you're going to pay for the premium on that channel and end up getting ripped off or gambling more than you should and following that same self destructive pattern you reflect in the OP.

Dunno, I've never followed a channel like that even though its free, and I'm also not really sure if you'll actually earn when logging into their VIP channel, however, I think you should consider a lot of things.
First, how much does it cost you to be able to join their VIP channel?
Secondly, with the cost you have to spend, how long can you stay a VIP member on the channel?
Third, how much capital will you use in each of your bets?
I mean why say this because I think it would be worthless at all, if you have to pay a VIP channel fee of $100/month and you can only use capital below or equal to the cost you spend to become a member of the channel unless you use considerable capital.
Maybe you currently see the channel so useful it can make your bets green but remember sports betting can also experience the opposite, where in the end you will only get defeat after defeat because it turns out that the owner of the channel is not in a good state of predicting, and for some reason I feel that those who have such a channel are the same as the owners of the paid signal channel in trading, they are just trying to get money in other ways because they understand that gambling will always have a risk of losing.

I think you should make decisions only on your own and not look around, and also try to control your expenses if you still don't do it. In gambling, you need to be able to analyze information only with your mind, because we all start like this.
Do not rely on friends, or read those who recommend who to bet on in the game.
So we transfer responsibility to others, while losing money through their fault. You need to make decisions based only on your own conclusions, and if something fails, then blame only yourself. And I think this is the only way to play correctly, being aware of the consequences.

Friends have obstructed things up for me in the long term in gambling, but they may also have provided of vital importance aides to my advancement in the system. I've learnt to make things go my way; it's imperative that we adjust swiftly to the system. We have a tendency to make mistakes because we are humans; we cannot have everything correct all of the time, and when we do, we must either correct them or leave them untouched; the final decision is ours to control. We've grown up and no longer allow others to make decisions for us; instead, we take the initiative and make critical decisions that will benefit us in the long run.

The way that these channels work are almost the same....

They will cherry pick bets with a very high percentage for a win, with low odds.. to create a perception that they are picking winning bets. Those will be the FREE bets and people will have success with those bets, so they will be more prone to signup for the VIP access.

They will also ask you to pay for a month or two in advance, so when you realize that the VIP section are bullshit, then no refunds will be given. (They bagged another sucker and they will move to the next victim)  ::)

If you are already winning and you are just using it for free, then you don't need to. I think you are just waiting for validation from the members here if you are to continue with your journey.

You can do a couple of things

• Do it continuously with the free
• Subscribe to the VIP just to try

For the subscription, maybe opt for the shortest time that you can get like a month or so, and pay it if you are willing to. Maybe you can recover it with just a single bet or not but it's important that you can afford what you are betting.

At the end of the day, it all goes down to luck. If it's your day or not, just be mindful.

Have you had any feedback about the channel beside yours, I have not joined any betting channels with VIP upgrades, and many of us here never have, if you think you are going to benefit based on your earlier experience then do so, it's your money that you are going to use to upgrade and it's your money that you are going to use to bet, so if you think that you are going to benefit from the VIP they are offering then go for it.
You feel that you are going to be scammed if the free bets that you received are not good based on your experience but if your doubts are strong then don't upgrade so you will not regret later.

I am not sure if I fully understand your current situation, you are following free betting advice from telegram and have a big success with it, only losing a few games? It’s great that you found a trustworthy betting group and not a scammer group, but I don't think it's right to be proud of your gambling achievements, because it's not your bets you place rather following other people. Don't get me wrong, if you found a good group that there is nothing wrong with relying on other people to make a profit. The question is only how long this is going to last and is it going to be reliable. You mentioned that the free trial period is over and you now need to upgrade to VIP status. I would say that this depends on the amount of money you make from the bets. It's not worth it to pay for VIP betting tips if you only bet smaller amounts and your monthly profits barely cover the subscription fee. However, since you made already good results with the group, I would say just give it a try for another month. Just make sure you write down all the bets you got recommended and keep checking how profitable they really are. If your profits increase over the month keep the subscription up.
    

I don't give a fuck to telegram or any online Chanel's because they are like me, they can predict 10 matches and maybe 5 to 8 of the predictions might be sure but not all, as for me although I am not even sure of the matches I predicts on my own but I stake them and some of them end up winning so even the VIP Chanel's too are not sure so I rather continue sticking my own predictions than subscribing to a VIP Chanel's with the money I will use to stake.
I don't really accept IA predictions because they are not sure too and I believe that most of this VIP Chanel's they normally uses AI for predictions, I believe that no body is perfect thats why I don't trust telegram Chanel and their VIP subscriptions.

These gambling achievements aren't yours. You are simply copying the free bets from a more successful sports bettor.
If this sports betting Telegram channel is so good, then why don't you just spend some money and buy VIP membership? Is it too expensive?
80% win rate seems pretty good and you might return your money from the VIP membership fee.
I usually don't trust such Telegram tipsters, but I guess that this particular tipster had proven to be successful.
Maybe you are lacking enough knowledge to become a better sports bettor. Losing money is a normal thing, the real problem begins when you lose a lot of money. Just lower your bets and play for fun.

Well, I have no experience joining in channel to follow the predictions of the particular game. In your experience it is somehow reliable because of the winning rate and that's the reason why you're tempted to join the VIP. But how much it cost to join the VIP zone?

IMO it's not necessary to pay just to get an information on the game that you want to place a bet. As you've said, you already have knowledge about the games that you like (football and basketball) so just stick to it, improve your knowledge to make your own analysis to predict the game on your own. Don't rely on this channel because you can't be so sure on their accuracy.

Assuming your winnings from the free channel covered the cost of VIP, I suggest getting VIP membership since it will be funded by your winnings only with no actual expense from your own pocket.

I would definitely be careful if I were you, maybe those winnings are normal and how will you feel like joining the VIP if you don't win in the free subs? Think about this very well, it's the same feeling we get when we try out demo accounts of forex trading, making us feel like the experience will be the same with the real thing.

You are already feeling like its a scammers trap, why are you doubting your thoughts? You already feel like you know how this will all end merely reading your post, if you can afford the VIP then go for it, experience is all you will have left to share in the end, we all live to learn, you can end up with good or bad lessons but we can't let this stop us from trying.

Goodluck

It is your decision whether to join or not, because it is your money, but from what I see that the average signal group is a fraud and all they do is take advantage of the fees charged to their members. If you feel sure that this is not a scam, you can join in and experience it for yourself. But I personally am reluctant to join a group like this, because I can use my experience to determine which team is qualified and has the potential to win compared to using a signal group like this. You say that you have been gambling for years, you should have a better understanding and confidence in your abilities.

What a feeling, Why should you feel envious of someone who is gambling and winning? That can never be me, Firstly, I am different and I will never think that because I am not winning yet means I am under a curse, That's a wrong way to think about yourself and it sucks.

Secondly, must you do what others are doing? There are things you can be very good at and if one of your friends tries it they will fail, this is how things are meant to be, we can't be all good at the same thing, luck works differently for everyone at different things and places.

If you are not lucky in gambling you will be lucky in other things, Stop forcing yourself on a path that you might never fated to walk on.

Most VIP groups that I know are scams yet that doesn't mean you can't find a legit one, but be careful, ask yourself what those group owners will gain from such a step, nothing is really for free like they say, if they are good at gambling why the need for VIP group?

Actually gambling is totally based on luck. It is not your fault because you have tried repeatedly but failed. Maybe gambling isn't helping your luck. Here you join gambling signal channel and from there you win gambling bets with signals. There are many signal channels, some times that signal is very effective. But not that their signal will always win. Their signal can fail at any time. But I would suggest you to learn about different sports sites without paying to access VIP signals. Whenever you have a lot of knowledge about the game direction you will automatically understand which matches you can bet to win. So I want you to continue your ministry with different sports from now on.

Exactly! only do things that are beneficial to you. You might lose some friends along the way but I'm pretty sure you'll find new ones. Every decisions you make, you're the only person accountable for the outcome. Because if you rely too much on other people, then your system will have some deviations and differences that you cannot control. You might also end up blaming other people.

History has proven that people, no matter how intelligent they believe themselves to be, continue to fall into the same traps. It resembles a continuous cycle of foolishness. You struggled with your bets, but the telegram route was helpful. Who is to tell, though, that those in command of the channel aren't abusing the setup? What if they have broader plans and you are merely a pawn in their elaborate scheme?

You witnessed their alleged "80% victory rate." But how many of those were true? How can you be certain that this tale isn't a fabrication? This terrible fact is: Why would they tell everyone else if they always know how to win? Why not keep their wealth and secrets to themselves? Do you believe that they are assisting because they want to?

Choose wisely, my friend. Dont let the mirage of a few wins distract you from the potential big hole in the VIP area.

Before, I also experienced joining channel about sportsbetting and yes it somehow helped me to win by following their predictions. But not to the extent of joining some sort of VIP access. To be honest, I used to rely on it since I got good results but rather than always relying on them, I also tried studying more about the sports and the teams (especially those sports that I tried betting even when I don't even know a lot of things about that sports). After gaining some knowledge and experience, I can manage making my own call and still win.

You don't have to join that VIP so you can win on sportsbetting. Sometimes there are just bad days in gambling. And if you really know and love the sports, for sure you can make your own call without relying on those channels.

Yes, it's up to him whether he wants to join or not because only he that knows better the situation and conditions of the group. But we suggest not joining because by joining the VIP group, we have to pay the subscription fee and that also doesn't guarantee he can get good signals like before. After all, if he didn't join and kept learning to analyze and seek more information, he could improve his analysis skills and no longer need such groups. And the money that he plans to join can be used to place bets so maybe he can win from the results of his analysis. And with his years of experience, he should at least have the ability to analyze.

This is exactly the same thing or idea I pointed out to the Op, if he had won enough money to buy him a spot in the VIP channel, I don't see any reason why not to go for it as long as he has verified the channel to be trusted not to turn around and abscond with subscribers money, he has played the free bets and won most of it as he testified, and since the free bet only last for one month, if I was him, I will buy the VIP subscription, but like I said before, this would be after I've been able to really verify that the channel is legit..

I've seen some situations where scammers provide such service as sports prediction for a while just to lure unsuspecting victims, immediately the victim pays for VIP subscription, the victim will be kicked out and blocked from accessing the channel, leaving the victim with even no means of contacting some other people on the channel to avoid losing their money.

How much is the V.I.P package? How many football game odds have been posted ever since you joined the free telegram channel? and How much profit have you been able to make personally? Because I think those are the 3 main important questions you need to answer yourself, that will determine if you are to join the V.I.P package or not, because one thing I know is that there is nothing such as fixed matches, as that very statement have been used to scam millions of people, and yet people keep falling for it, and the reason why getting the basic knowledge of a stuff before venturing into it is very important.

First of all, I don't know in detail how your betting pattern is. referring to what you said, we have the same hobby which is betting on sports. the difference is you bet on football and basketball, while I only bet on football. something makes me want to ask you, do you bet on single bets, or multibet and so on. then, do you bet on all the matches you want, or how do you usually bet. because, referring to what you say, you always lose in the betting sessions that you do. I have two scenarios, maybe you bet on multibet. or, you do betting sessions continuously until you get the win you want.

By the way, my version of gambling is not betting on multiple matches. I will only choose from the many matches that will be held. for example every week the European league is usually held, and I will select from several teams that will compete. usually, I will only do 3 single bets out of many matches. it could even be less than that, or a little more. the second option, I can bet on a parlay, ideally 3 or 5 teams I choose. with a pattern like this, I won't spend much time. if I'm lucky, I'll win the singles bet. conversely, if my prediction misses, it means I lost the bet.

Well, referring to another point. actually I have never been involved in joining the channel as you tell in this thread. because, I only rely on the insights that I have and don't forget to involve knowledge, research and analysis. and the outcome, depending, because in sports betting nothing is certain. So, I'll just suggest. if you want to enjoy the betting session that you are doing, you should involve knowledge and insight related to sports. way, you can learn more about the sport itself. whatever it is, at least you have a little picture and analysis of how a match will take place. Finally, you can bet after going through a series of research and analysis that you did.

I think this decision should be based on your own research, and if I am clear, I thought you said you had tried some of their games and won. I may say you have done some research, but I wouldn't advise you to subscribe to their VIP program due to the fact that scammers are rampant on different social media platforms now and using different tactics to scam people, and many of them are very smart, so I will ask you to be conscious about giving money to people that you don't know physically.
 
I have one friend who has experienced this type of sure game in the Telegram channel before, and it later led to scamming after he subscribed to VIP Finish. It is not that the Telegram channel was not providing games for them, but the games they were giving my friends were not sure games because he loses often, like if they gave him like seven bets, he will just win like one or two times and till going to be small odds like 3 or 4 odds, and the tactics those people usually use are that they always give different games to different people so that all the subscribers would lose at once, so lucky people win sometime. So I see many of these people on these Telegram channels who always claim they have sure games as liars because they also do predict like us.

Independence is the only right way that allows you to analyze your results without interference from the outside. Whether it's the results of gambling or success in life. It is not necessary to make decisions based on the opinions of other people, because then you do not understand all the justifications for such decisions. It's better to stuff your bumps, but in the end make the right conclusions. In terms of gambling, this means to test your strategy, or your vision of the path to victory. Summing up the above, I will say that I do not ask others myself, but I also do not like to share my opinion. Because it is based on my conclusions that I made through financial mistakes. And they are the conclusion of my actions.

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Wrong to rely your decision base to the people around you since they might not give you good inputs since they are also speculating on the results. That's why we need to avoid this mistake and always do our own research so that we can create our own decisions base to the information we gather and avoid mistakes that is avoidable. Gambling needs personal attention so we shouldn't rely all to other people since it can ruin us totally.

If we can't do right decision since we are new then better observe the activity of the old gamblers since for sure we can learn a lot from them.

I do not dispute that you need to learn from experienced ones, and this is probably the best way, because, for example, artists learn from Vedic artists by copying their paintings, and beginners in gambling and trading copy the experienced player they like.
This is correct, but only if the beginner perfectly understands the cause-and-effect relationship of actions, and does not blindly copy actions.
You must always be conscious in making your decisions.But I am sure that most people would rather rely on others, then blame them for such actions.

Correct, they're actually make money through selling memberships. Motivators are make money by views on Youtube, influencers are making money through advertisement or affiliate marketing. There's no free lunch, they're just find a way to make money and we should use our logic about it.

It's similar like an old friend contact and act very nice to you, that's not because he want to built a good relationship with you, but he want to ask for money.

But we are talking about sports bets, not any technique with a consensus. Even if you know a lot about a certain sport, it is almost impossible to consistently win: the knowledge leads to a false sense of control, as the variables for a certain result are many more than we could calculate on beforehand.

OP himself said that he knows a lot about football and basket, and kept loosing. About copying, I think that you've simply had luck, but nothing guarantees further winnings if you pay for VIP subscription. In fact, you're thinking about joining because you had good luck, but think that those in similar groups who weren't so lucky won't be thinking on joining them. That's the way they work: statistically a small percentage of followers will consistently win, until their luck changes; if they decide to pay before that change, it is profit for the group.

Not every service is a rip-off! I've gambled - HEALTHILY - on some of the most prestigious platforms and came out on top. So don't blanket your singular experiences over every channel.

Now, you’re right, caution is good. But completely trashing VIP programs? It's like you're turning down a gold mine just because someone else found coal. My advice? Maybe you and your friend should get better at spotting the good from the bad. And as for these "sure games", of course they predict! It's called STRATEGY. You need to understand that every system has its hits and misses. Don't dismiss a platform just because you got the short end of the stick once. It’s a game of persistence and knowledge

Yes.. I think this is also closer to the element of fraud. I don't think they are experts, it's just that they understand gambling.
But I also believe that there are people who are experts at gambling. In my opinion, when someone is an expert at gambling, it is not easy for him to share the knowledge he has, even with people he knows and they will not be easily tempted by some money for the knowledge he has worked hard for. Someone who is already an expert in gambling will not easily come to the surface and will only pass on their knowledge to people they trust so that there will be successors. Because trust is more expensive and cannot be bought with money.

That's right, to be honest what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I understand that I'm kinda questioning this too. They are content creators and influencers who always suggest or recommend joining certain groups that they consider VIP and we can get a lot of things from there. That's right, there is no free lunch, after all, everyone wants money, that doesn't mean they are good, but they take advantage of opportunities in various places that they can reach and can get lots of members to then make a profit. inside it. If we really think logically then I think we will know the real truth in this context. The point is don't believe too much in anything that comes to you, look for the truth first and if it makes sense then go ahead.

Anyone can claim that they are a master of a certain game, it's easy to create a Telegram channel to attract people but we shouldn't fall for their trap as most of them are just aiming to make money from their victims. We should be skeptical not to easily fall for them.
Deep research is always important and keep in mind that gambling is a game of luck where your friends could be luckier than you or vice versa. You have to cope up with the risks and never expect that you can have the same path as others. If you are continuously losing, you better check your weaknesses and mistakes so you'll know how to make them right and more effective next time.

I say this is a common scam bait made by people to lure in unsuspecting people who are down on their lucks. I'm not saying that they don't have a strategy or a system to get that high of a win rate, but what they do after receiving your pay is either just ghost you for your money outright, or include you back into the channel and give you calls that aren't going to work so you would pay them for a higher subscription. I'm also not saying that there aren't legitimate ones out there but in my opinion, you shouldn't be paying for stuff you can just get for free.

I say you observe the channel and ask for testimonials among random members, ask them if it was legitimate or whatnot, research as well if they have a reputation among the sportsbet industry.

What do you think?
You have already mentioned it; you're afraid to get scammed and you're also losing in sportsbetting with your own analysis. No one wins without losing. If you really think you are having a bad experience in sportsbetting then why don't you stop then? You're still here 'coz you want something then you should be pushing yourelf to achieve that. You have a choice whether to try risking a few amount for that VIP and see it for yourself or improve your analysis and bet on your own or to simply quit on sports betting and move to other gambling game. Sometimes the answer to our question is obvious and we just tend to not mind it 'coz we are looking for an answer from other people. Do what you think would work on your end and don't rely with other's opinion.

If the guy is actually so much profitable, why didn't you share his telegram handle or the channel URL here?
None of my business actually. Anyways, I would say you can go ahead and purchase the VIP if it doesn't cost more than 10% of your total bankroll, else don't go for it because you will try to recover your costs by betting big and may lose big if the VIP group bets don't prove to their worth.

If the money that has been charged for the VIP zone section can be affordable for you, you can give it trier by subscribing to it. But if you can't easily afford the money that is being asked for, you should stay away from the telegram channel.

I know gambling channels like this exist on Telegram channel and also on Facebook. What I do know is that they do pay to join the groups for sure games and those that I have heard that have subscribed to them, I haven't heard them complain of being scammed. What I see them do is resell the betting games they got from the gambling channels, whether telegram or Facebook to their friends to indirectly make money out of their betting games given to them.

Am not trying to tell you to try your luck or convince you with what others do. I don't want you to subscribe because of that reason. You know why? You might be unlucky to end up subscribing to a scam telegram channel. Which will not be a good experience for you. 

Deep down you know this is a scam, however because of how you feel when you win you are willing to forget about it and take the risk, when you say that this person has predicted most of the games right I believe you, however this is not sustainable, even the best sport bettors around the world cannot maintain that kind of winning rate, so the person behind that channel is just getting lucky and for sure they are going to use that in order to try to extract as much money as possible from the people that have been watching their channel.

Better do on your own rather than on making yourself that be relying on what other peoples picks whether a group or a certain individual.Nothing beats out if you are really making out bets out of your own analysis rather than

on others which is something that you would be needing to mind off realistically. On the time that you do make yourself get convinced that they are really making some wins on your part on higher chance then its your
choice on paying up with that VIP fees but actually its not really that something that would really be that recommended because its true that there are lots of those fraudsters who do claim out on having that good
percentage winning bets and its not really that something that solid to believe on just because you've seen several or couple of wins on your betting.

Better to bet on your own basing up with your own knowledge and analysis rather than on heavily relying with other picks which arent supposed to be done and its not worth on paying up some
sub fees just because you do like to changed up your gambling or betting results or career.

The name of the game is resilience! Believe it or not but everyone goes through a bad run of games and if you keep playing sooner or later you get to hit some winners.

Btw, the more you play with accumulators the more your chances of losing, so to be on the winning side try single bets.

These so called safe bets are actually the money traps, and if you keep playing them its difficult  to recover once you hit a loser and overall you need like X4 , X5 to win back which messes with your physiology which leads to more losses. I suggest changing strategy if you still gambling.

You said that you know football and basketball, that's more than enough already to gamble on your own. Losing is there even if you join that VIP status that they're offering.

Just accept the fact that we win sometimes and lose many times. This is the reality in gambling and these channels could give us the benefit depending on your experience.

But for the majority, we're not really in favor of those.

It is easy,you said that they have given you games that you played and won. You have only loss twice and you also feel that the curse on you not a win is broken. I don't know how much the telegram people do collect for subscription but if it isn't much, you should also consider how much profit that you have benefited from this group. If you have made a lot of profit then I will ask you to give them a trial and pay for their subscription and see how it goes with your game because if what you have profited from them is bigger than the amount of subscription, I don't think it is a scam. If it happens that after subscription and the results aren't favouring, and they still request for more money,you should hesitate to run away from them. On the other hand if you feel that they are luring you into their scam,then forget about subscription and see if the curse on your winning has been broken really.

I think you should just quit gambling all together. No offense, but it would seem that you’ve got a bit of a gambling addiction. At least that’s what it sounds like to me. I think you’d be better off that way then you’d not have to worry about losing money. Just take the money you would normally use to gamble and invest it. That’s what I would do.

I can sense that scamming will about to take place after series of winnings, that’s why I can’t push you to subscribe on this VIP zone. However, you should know also if you are sensing a scam since you’re quite gambling for long now so probably you have heard already stories about gambling scams. But still, in the end, if you still want to try, then go but never risk big amount of money. You can subscribe now but when you see you’re not actually winning then unsubscribe from it immediately. That’s the only solution so you won’t never regret things in the future.

The title of this thread doesn't quite align with the idea you want to convey to us... I initially thought it was entirely focused on gambling addiction or a similar topic.

Moreover, if you're already experiencing significant winnings by following someone's betting advice, shouldn't that be satisfying in itself? Nevertheless, if you're determined to join their VIP program, take the time to observe first before placing bets. Afterward, consider following their predictions if you find them beneficial for your situation.

Gambling on telegram is a definite no.

You should trust your first gut feeling or "instincts". If something is too good to be true then it probably isnt. Furthermore you already know that telegram is a cesspool of scammers and shady services. They use psychological methods to lure in their victims. The fact that they not only caught your attention but managed to keep you interested is a big warning sign. Don't ignore it.

I'm confused about what advice to give you, but if you really feel that the channel has benefited you so far and doesn't show you want to go in the direction of scam, then there's nothing wrong with joining in, especially if the fees charged are still affordable for you to pay. sometimes you have to spend a certain amount of money to get maximum results on your bets, they have also helped you with betting predictions that have almost reached 80% effectiveness.

I'm a little curious about the link from that group, can you usually tell it in this topic?

Thank you all, I appreciate all your contributions and advice, i have taken my time to go through all posts and i have really learned so much. I have finally made my decision not to go through with the VIP membership, i think it will be better if i rather improve my knowledge about gambling than to rely on someone else


Great opinion. I also sense scam and it will be a bad thing for me to get scammed not because of the money lost but because of my knowledge here in the forum, it will be bad that i got scammed after learning so much here.


Yeah i agree with you that my approach was wrong and my strategy was rather looking for bigger odds which is usually a difficult outcome so maybe that was why i lost a lot of games and i was looking to win big intead of playing it safe. Everyone loves winning and I wouldn’t lie winning some games through that channel made me really happy and I already have so much believe in his games than mine and with so I’d rather quit gambling than to believe my own games.


You have a point there too, winning now maybe based on pure luck and things may turn the other way round in a few months and we may actually experience back to back losses. I’m aware that gambling has a 50/50 win probability and it was stated in the channel that there is no 100% win guarantee so I would be rather careful dealing with their games.


In the end my decision is all that matters and of course i am the one to make the decision but I really need all you guidance and advice from everyone so I don’t make the wrong decision.

Forget about those telegram channels VIP games they're of no good in contrast to games picked and predicted by you. In my opinion you are to hasty to receiving wins, this is gambling it's not some business investment stuff you should be expecting concurrent returns of profits. If you have been losing so badly then you should calm down and review your bets and how you decides on them, it's possible you can find out why you're losing so badly.

Maybe your pattern or strategy is very poor and you just need to improve it. Because you have idea about football doesn't guarantee you winnings, you still got to work on your strategies, pattern of analysing games that decides what your prediction should be. If you can just do a reevaluation of your betting strategy you can end up having a different result rather than casting your hopes vip games from some random telegram group.

It is still in line with gambling activity, and the title seems okay since he does not know what to do and is confused about whether to grab the VIP status on a certain platform or not. Thus, the word he can't cope on his own.


The problem is probably the cost of a VIP subscription.  I guess @OP doesn't feel comfortable spending the amount of money to subscribe to the VIP status and use the platform services.  If that is so, I would say if there is even a small hint of doubt, follow your instinct.  The greed makes you confused @OP.  If you are winning enough, be contented with it, it may be bait or not but@OP if you are not comfortable, don't subscribe.

^ It makes sense and I think greed can cloud our judgment, pushing us into decisions that probably do not fit our best interests. If your current winning streak brings you satisfaction and financial stability, probably it is best to appreciate what you have and not risk it further. While the VIP option might hold promise, it is important to prioritize your comfort and financial security.
It should be, you have come a long way from your initial struggles. If your gut is telling you that the VIP subscription is not the right move, then it's perfectly okay to hold back. Your peace of mind is priceless, and it is okay to be content with the progress you have made, that just my personal opinion.

Yes, on the time that you are already get bored on having those losses basing up with your own analysis and bet predictions and then suddenly you do able to find out some chance for you to make wins
on others suggestions like groups something like this then you would really be molding up that kind of idea in mind that you are really that profitable if you do tend to follow those groups in terms of their
picks. Well, we do have our own choice since we are making use of our own money to make bets on which it would really be just that common that you would really be that not listening others advises.
If you do find out that it would really be that relevant for you to make bets on using up their suggestions then its your choice, sooner or later you would be able to find out the difference in terms of
long term betting. It might be that positive or negative basing up on what you are really that dealing with. You are the ones who would really be able to find out because we cant really say that there are
no tipsters in the market would be offering such service if they are really that good when it comes to their betting choices.

And after getting lots of suggestions from friends, what decision did you make? Did you join the VIP group or did you decide to learn more and seek more information so you can improve your analytical skills? We hope you are not wrong in deciding because you already know the risks of every decision, so you need to think about it beforehand.

But I see you still have doubts about joining the VIP group because you don't want to be cheated by those you don't know. And if that is your choice, you already know what you must do. You can analyze better by learning from sources you already know. It's worth it for you because you don't have to pay a fee to join the VIP group and can also use the money to bet.

It's really hard to give you advise though, I mean this is sports gambling so there is a 50/5 chance that you might lose or have a string of bad luck if all the tips suddenly goes South we can't really control that.

So the only thing I can say is that if you are willing to take the risk and buy those VIP zone then go for it. Just try to balance how much you are going to pay them with how much you are going to gamble. What I mean is that at least there is a reward at the end for you. Maybe winning some money in the next couple of months will be a good gauge. Goodluck!!

Yes, and they have many strategies or ways to make their actions or steps successful, so it is very possible that they will get a lot of profit from the many members who enter their network. I see them like they really give us what we need, they almost fully know what we need so it's hard to minimize things like this. Yes, that's right, their goal is nothing but to make a lot of profit and not at all think about their responsibilities as the owner of a network or certain groups. In this case, we really should be more able to be realistic, if indeed it doesn't make sense then avoid and reject all temptations that come. To be honest, I also don't think that a person can depend on other people or on other people's knowledge in gambling, how can they use this method but on the other hand they also depend on luck.
I'm not going to put too much faith in anything that comes along, and I'm going back to assuming it's just a matter of luck.

I'm not so sure how long you have been a sportbettor but I know very well to tell you that the group chat is just a regular gambler that post his game and the VIP might not be different from what they post in the normal group chat. You need to also verify how authentic the admin is, it could be that the games posted are from another VIP group chats games that he is sharing to his own group chat just to gain more profit from you guys, it's a logic thing my friend.

But have ask this question, why are gamblers offering VIP session for fellow gamblers when they can do the same with their own money and win all the millions of the betting companies, they prefer to sieve ordinary people their money with fake games. The good guys I know that bet don't offer any VIP, they will tell you to bet at your own risk but will bet before they share you their games to the public.

there are still gambling sites that are more convincing, maybe the channel is really looking for profit by gambling they make without any fairness for the players, although I don't know what happened in the VIP, but something that makes you doubt it's better to stay away from it, especially when it's visible like a cheater at a gamble.

if there is no cheating in the gambling, you can try it, but this is indeed risky, you are in full control of your assets. it's natural to be jealous of friends with large incomes especially by just playing gambling games and we want that too, but we can't be them, not necessarily our luck is the same, if we fail try to try other opportunities.

I can tell you for free that you are going to be scammed. No matter how legit it looks like now. No matter how much correct scores they have given you, you are going to get scammed and if you are bold enough you may return here to write another epistle. When these guys succeed in their quest, they'd block you and move on to the next gullible gambler. There is no one to report to.

OP the right thing to do is to ask gamblers on the forum for telegram channels that are legit and trusted. You can trust them and even if you get scammed there, you can return here and call out the user you. This is an excellent option.

This is irrelevant to the topic. The OP main point of discussion here if he will use tipster channel that provides bet pick for him since he can’t win on his own analysis even if he analyze it with extra effort.

I don’t read on the thread that will be related to your post, is it possible that you post to the wrong thread?  Btw how can you can determine cheating on gambling as a player?

Although investing do also has a risk but I think it's much better than in gambling. Other than we can simply choose a Bitcoin, it can also teach us to be patient. Very much different in gambling. That can prevent us to become an addict and prevent us from losing too much money. All that we can get in investing are mostly profits.

If there is one thing that investing can't provide but gambling can, that would be entertainment. But, if this was the only one that we look for gambling, then why can we just play in demo mode? In the Playstore, I saw lots of gambling apps who does not allow deposits. If ain't working or this can still lead us to play real gambling, well I guess we should find another way to entertain ourselves.

It’s okay to have doubts, it’s what saves you from risky situations in the crypto space. So far, you haven’t done anything wrong and I’ll hope you don’t end up making a worst decision in your bid to maximize profit.

I’ll like to bring to your notice that, those operating those channels are as much you and I as they could be but, they’ve got an edge in there predictability based on years of experience, how well they know the game and the resources available to them as per information. If you’re incapable of coming up with your own prediction, you might be doing it wrong.

Gambling shouldn’t be an avenue to make money. Yeah, it offers you that but taking it for that purpose like I sense your doing could drain you. Perhaps you should go with it with a different idea entirely.

On you having to subscribe, I think it should be a question of how much you’re willing to lose to this scam should it turn out to be that. Better still, you made some profits off the free predictions you got, you could sacrifices some of it if it’s profit wise from what you got off your winning to register and hope they stay true to themselves to win some more from what is offered.

In sports betting, unlike other types of traditional bets, in a certain way you have a betting limit, that is, it is not like slots, the Dice that you can make thousands of bets in a short period of time, with sports betting, it will never happen so your chances of hitting are very different.

It is normal not to be in a high forecast accuracy, it is that simple, it is not about bad luck or what you think...

For example, your friends, they lose too, I assure you, but maybe they focus so much on their winnings that they make themselves look like winners.

But they also lose, it's normal... we are making sports bets like buying a ticket to see our team play, the result no longer depends on us...

Dude, enjoy making a sport bet that's all.

Changing a bad habit is truly hard and a lot are struggling too, so don't worry you are not alone here. You are in fact much better than to the most of us because you have stop playing gambling even for some months. If you think you are losing too much again, just do the same thing which is to stop gambling after some months.

Now about the Telegram group, maybe you need to try availing their VIP since you said you already earn decent profits from their free trials. There must be a basic membership there. You can go on it first and if things are still great, you can choose to upgrade it on the next tier and so on for an even better benefits. Good luck !

Everyone is unlucky from time to time, you just don't see it as people aren't shouting how they lost everything, and even if they are, stories of insane winnings travel faster and further because those are the stories people want to hear. There's no curse, just the reality and probability. There are also no such thing as sure games or safe bets. If there would be, people wouldn't be losing money.

I am not saying you shouldn't use every advantage you have, but some telegram channel doesn't sound like an advantage. Every time they make bad calls i am guessing they will delete those and leave wins that they can market that channel with.

But also at the same time, maybe check some online question sheet if you have a gambling addiiction or not, because it sounds like you are not in this for fun.
If you have a gambling addiction, don't feel ashamed of it. Gambling is not for everyone and there's no shame of admitting it, quite opposite, it takes a strong person to admit they have a problem.

But good luck with your gambling if you decide to continue. Just don't count on safe bets.

Yes, I reckon that he did a tricked that he didn't even know what it is. The trick to have a fresh start from having a consecutive loss, as a gambler, it doesn't mean that we have to live up with our name, we are also a human being who needed some space in-between times to re-think our strategy and specially to breath deeply while analyzing other things than gambling.

After that, the OP felt relieved when he came back and though that he found a medium how to break the curse. I mean it's both, the telegram channel he found and having a fresh start was indeed good for him because he can bet with more chances just like what he mentioned, after that, it things go sideways, he can always part himself from that channel.

I totally agree with what you said. Struggling to change bad habits is hard, but it's worth it to keep doing it for your own good. And it is true that he is not alone because he still has friends who care about him and want him to control himself well. Maybe for the time being, he didn't need to gamble for a few more months to see how he developed. And if he cannot always think about gambling, it seems he is okay and can start using gambling as entertainment. But that doesn't guarantee he can do it, especially if he doesn't practice self-control.

I have often encountered groups that become scams, so I do not advise him to try. So if he really wanted to join that VIP group, he had to think about whether it was worth it because it would definitely require a subscription fee, which was not cheap.

Trust and follow what you believe is right. If you think joining those VIP groups or any related groups is doubtful even if it gives you good picks and tips alongside good returns, just completely ignore them. Your sports betting experience shouldn't rely on anybody whether an individual or group.

As a sports bettor for long, why not just build your own path and make it a habit? It's impossible that sooner or later you won't be used to doing sports betting especially if really have an interest in following your favorite league even without gambling-related activity.

I have to disagree that you can't cope on your own. It's just a figment of your imagination but in reality, you are capable.

Acknowledging the fact that you are already addicted to gambling is actually a great step in moving towards a life without gambling. This is the part where a lot of addicts fail: recognizing that what they're doing is already damaging them and not really helping anything to better their situation. Sure that there will be relapses and getting back to old habits, but taking the first step is always the hardest thing to do no matter the activity is.

Many scammers take advantage of the situation by providing VIPs to be able to find victims to join their channel, it is possible that there are groups that work together on it.  Not only VIP gambling bets, other VIP zones also of course always have fraud in them, by convincing many people to believe the predictions they make.
The right step when you have subscribed to the channel, don't trust it easily, always monitor the predictions it makes and carry out technical analysis independently so you can compare them.
Of course, with more experience you can convince yourself which ones are accurate and which ones are much different

If you get gambling addiction,you should learn to get away from it.Because gambling addiction is not the good one for the gamblers and their family.If the gambler recognise he had get addicted,then it’s very easy for the gambler to get away from the addiction.Because all the addiction can be solved by the individual thought.I had my cousin who is the huge addicted to the drugs,after he recognise their family.He is now completely get away from the drinking.He not recovered by the medicine,he only ready to get away from the addiction.Then he take the medicine till the time was defined by the doctor.So like this if gambler ready to reduce the deposit with the certain period of time.He learn to control himself in gambling.

This telegram channel does not ask for money? Are there affiliate links? If not, then fraud is likely in the future.
Perhaps this post is such an advertisement

Not really necessarily to join up these groups and even paying up a certain amount just for you to be able to get these various informations which you could actually make your own for free and doesnt really need to pay up something which it would really be just a waste on doing so. If you are planning to make out some comparison in between strategies and analysis then you could do and having those free groups should be enough because there's no difference that you could get on VIP which it wont really be worth on the penny you spent for sub fees.If ever you have been torned whether you are really that tending to join with those VIP's then its your choice to make or decisions you would really be doing because it would really be that money to be spend.If you do find it for it to be relevant towards your betting then it would be your choice.
Just like the thing i've been saying earlier that predictions would remain predictions or speculations which it would really be totally random and results arent fixed or could really be known.
So its a choice whether you would join or not or basing up with your own analysis too.

At heart people are gullible, so when they hear there is someone with a telegram group which gives free predictions and the predictions are accurate, instead of doubting what they listen they believe it, as if it is true then they have found an easy way to make money, and who would not like some easy money? However people need to learn to be more critical and suspicious of all of those offers, as there is almost no chance any of them could be legitimate.

The rumours was spread in the community some times,their was an telegram channel.Which prediction in the game was almost successful was spread in the community.By believing the rumours some may force to loss their valuable money into the gambling and to subscribe the channel,they will ask to pay some money.The money which was used to bet on the gambling and the money paid for the channel will be loss at the end.The scam reason was believing everything without the proof,if any of your friends said like this telegram channel.You should ask your friend about the proof for the winning by the data from the channel.

you cant just outrightly trust them. from what i know , these free channels are the best of what they can offer because its targeted towards luring people to join their VIP so they want them to think that the VIP is same and even more better than that. but the truth is that they are not winning most times like they do present it. its always better to be source of your picks. you only need to research more and sharpen your skills.

Don’t pay any money to their VIP channels which guide you in the gambling.Actually it’s wrong to use the signals in the trading,because the self analysis in the trading will help you to get good win.So the same was applicable to the gambling.The gambling based on the luck,So how the VIP channel guidelines help you get the luck in the game.So you should use your own game in the gambling.The guidelines from the VIP channels is just to get some money from you.

Many of the VIP gambling channels are no better than the gambler who's hanging his hope on them for a greater chance of getting winnings games through them. These channels are just doing packaging business and not that they're sure of the predictions they offer, it's still same analysis a gambler could spend his own time critically analyzing about a particular sport he wishes to bet on, that's the same analysis these VIP channels undertake too to arrive in their predictions they sell out. Just that it's as if a few piles of gamblers have turned lazy in doing this paperwork themselves and have decided to push it to these channels in exchange for payment of service.

I'm really glad to see a fellow forum member sharing their sports betting journey. We all start out as newbies, and man, I get what you've been through. Let me drop a suggestion for you: steer clear of those VIP memberships or any channels that promise you guaranteed wins. Focus on your own game, work on improving your skills because that's the real deal for moving forward.

Think about it this way, if you subscribe to a Telegram channel with VIP membership, you're basically putting your faith in them, and you're shelling out cash, possibly no matter the outcome. Not a smart path to take, if you ask me. Trust no one but yourself in this game.

Hey OP, chill out a bit. Don't put all your faith in what you see or what these folks are pitching to you. You've gotta think long-term, but keep it real, ya know? Since we're talking sports betting here, I assume you're already gearing up for a journey that's gonna take a while.

Now, let's not get started on that 80% winning rate stuff, 'cause that just can't hold up forever. The law of averages is gonna kick in sooner or later. And from what I know, there's no sports bettor out there with an 80% win rate. That's off the charts, nearly impossible. Even 70% is pushing it, honestly. It's more like aiming for that sweet 65%, which can still bring in some good cash.

When it comes to your bankroll, start with a solid one and get the hang of bankroll management. That's a game-changer on this journey. All you gotta do is stay consistent with your picks, and remember that 65% win rate. That's the secret sauce.

To get the lowdown on bankroll management, just do a little digging. YouTube's got tons of videos on the topic.

You've just won from their free signals now you'll want to join their VIP? This is like advertisements on TV they will show you the most attractive and appealing product so that you will buy. This is the same case with the free signal that makes you win, it is just bait so that you will avail to their VIP and then once you are in that is when they will leave you. I understand that you keep losing in your previous bet but I would say that there is something wrong or lacking when you select a team. You still need to research more and see if there are other instances where the team you choose has the possibility of losing.

There are two options for you here. Either you can continue for free in the channel, although they will post limited games there. If that was a trial period, and you cannot remain in the group for free, then you can choose to join the paid group depending upon the fee of the group. You have already won a few bets by getting signals from that group, so why not buy the membership using the profit money?

Although I do not like these VIP paid memberships betting signals groups, but since you had a good experience and also your own analysis mostly led to the lost in bet, so why not use the service and gain some money?

Here the decision is with OP. He needs to take it rather than getting other people's opinions. He has won through the free signals, as the time ends he's supposed to go with VIP subscription. If he hadn't taken subscription and lost the next bet, his mind will think he had lost just because he hadn't got the right signal from the channel. Op's mind had got prepared in such a way.

My suggestion is to make an analysis on the bets placed before joining the channel as well as after joining the channel for free signals. This will help you understand better about the mistakes you've made in selecting the odds. Correcting it can be a good choice.

The vastness of the 'paid' yet apparently successful, and the seductive charm of the limited but "free" options. I assure you that your situation is not out of the ordinary in the wide virtual world of online betting. Consider this, though: isnt it odd that you're thinking of reinvesting into a system that only provides you with signals rather than assurances, even with your winnings?

I understand; the winnings and proof of your prior wagers appear to support the skill of the paid group, dont they? But, hear me out, what if those times you won were just lucky breaks? Therefore, if you're using your gains to go deeper, could this be positioning you for possible trouble?

Be cautious. Recognize that gambling has a significant risk of losing money in addition to the fleeting satisfaction that comes with winning. Every time. Always ask yourself if the rewards truly outweigh the risks and investments.

The OP is setting themselves up to get scammed, talented scammers know that the best way to convince someone of something is not by forcefully arguing with them, but by letting those people to convince themselves, the OP which according to their own words is not a good sport bettor is finding almost impossible to resist the offer right in front of them as they have finally earned some money with sport bets, and I think that regardless of our advice at some point they will go for the VIP option, and pay those scammers some money over a service that is worth nothing.

All decisions are in OP hands but he is here to ask for advice and consideration from all the members here who are gamblers and I think what OP is doing is the right action because when subscribing to VIP he has to spend money every month and of course he doesn't want to be cheated by betting channel on telegram group.
Some channels may be able to provide good betting predictions and have big chance of winning but finding channels like this will be very difficult plus there are quite lot of scam betting channels that only carry out fraudulent actions against subscribed gamblers.

We must be smart in joining such channels and as much as possible not be completely motivated or rely too much on betting channels if we want to bet on several betting options.
And always evaluate or compare the predictions we make with the predictions on that channel so we can determine which one is the best to bet on.

OP in his write up about his personal gambling experience, he mentioned not being vast about gambling and have lost a lot. I think he may not have the skill of analyzing sport. That's why he chose to operate using those channels. I've thought in and out on gambling channel, yet I don't understand how they get their odds. Gamblers lose despite using their predictions and still go back to patronize them. It always seem to them that not being a VIP member means losing out on premium predictions. I'm not belittling the facilities and services of gambling channels, frequent wins is not guaranteed. When It's completely wrong is losing out, frequently, with their predictions. A good number of them seem to give close to correct predictions and when the player doesn't win, they'll try to blame it on something else. No present or available alternative for such players. So, OP could be dependent on these people to at least win games. I've never seen a gambler as fun as OP, he never won a single game. Still he gambled, at least playing is fun. He's got to keep rolling. If the channel he joined made him smile with few wins, It'll be difficult to pull him out even with few more losses. Even as a VIP member. His money has been staked, with them, until whenever he's tired of renewing his subscription. He'll manage his VIP membership, the way he's served. And during those periods, his losses may not hurt him, like it would, if he didn't join the VIP membership. The admins of such channels always claim that VIP members win. With their fabricated screenshots sent to free signal members. To lure them into buying premium or VIP membership. OP need to find a suitable channel for himself. Or invest some time to analyze games himself like you suggested. It won't be easy, he'll have to execute fresh learning and build network with top gambling channels and analyzers. I think it's what those gambling channels do to get predictions. They may be affiliated with top game analyzers for their predictions and odd.

Not many gamblers want to understand the risks in gambling, if only they managed to understand the losses and knew the risks well, there would certainly not be many who would be addicted to gambling, because most gambling addicts start from those who don't understand the risks so they don't like losing and losing money so they continue to gamble to get back the money they have lost in gambling.

Unfortunately, gamblers nowadays find it easier to become addicts because they never want to know about the risks of gambling. That's why I always remind beginners that gambling is not just for making money and a quick way to get rich, but a place where you play with the risk of losing money, but mostly they ignore it.

That is hard a question to answer and you need to make up your own mind how much you want to be involved with sports bets going forward. Relying on other forum users to give advice here is a good idea, but we can't decide for you how much involved you want to be with gambling. Taking advantage of free betting tips is fine, the question is now if your monthly profit pays off to become a VIP member. It doesn't make sense for you to pay a monthly fee when you are not going to gamble regularly. The service needs to add value for you and cost you additional money. How about you first try to place some bets on your own again? If there is one special sport you like a lot and one particular league you follow regularly, then I would try to only bet on those matches where you have more knowledge and an advantage.

If they became aware of online casinos due to the advertisements on social media, it's understandable that they will also target to win huge amount since in the ads that's what they're flexing. To those who don't have idea, it is really attractive, thinking that's how easy to win and hit a jackpot.

Keep in mind, if you kept losing it's better to quit. Gambling is intended to give you satisfaction not to make you rich. Thus, even there's a group out there who can help you to win the bet if you subscribe to their VIP membership, think first if it's worth it or if it's really necessary. Well, much better to gamble using your knowledge about the game since you're betting on sports. Try to improve what you know.

If you keep losing, it's better to stop. That is good advice for gamblers who experience frequent losses. But not many can do it because most gamblers will still gamble again because they want to keep having fun. And if @OP is willing to sacrifice some money to see what his VIP channel is like, he can join his VIP channel and get more and more accurate predictions. But if not, he shouldn't regret it because it was his own decision and there was no pressure to join his VIP channel. But if @OP realized he might be getting scammed, he wouldn't have to sacrifice his money to join her VIP channel.

Also gamblers nowadays are more exposed to gambling than it was in the past because gambling has become very easy to access that you can gamble online with your phones. This is why we're having more addicts now as there's no restrictions to how they gamble. It depends on the individuals to discipline ourselves and protect ourselves against addiction by restricting how we gamble, not chasing losses by revenge gambling as most individual are doing.

OP I haven't used any VIP channel that ask to pay to join but since you said they has a 80 percent winning rate, I would give it a try because we have some individuals that  are good at predicting games because of their experience or inside information. If the fee is not very high, I'll pay and use their predictions but I know I can lose too.

OP is ok but telegram channels are mostly scams now its hard to get correct information. This is why one's own intelligence is most effective the best way to avoid cheating is to make a plan so you can be a little more responsible and maintain that excitement. The important thing here is that you try and stick to that plan as much as possible. These plans don't have to be complicated and illogical they can just be a rough idea of how much you want to spend on betting.

As for me if the price of VIP subscription isn't something to really cry about, I will be fine joining to review what is really in it. If it's just $25, it would be a good adventure somehow.
I missed OP's response about whether he mentioned the fee though.

Not in my lifetime I would pay to join if it is more than $25. I am a fan of a particular sport, but I will sure try if it's an 80% winning rate like OP said.

Since this is a gambling site, you have to make your own decisions here. At this moment the game can be predicted very well because by looking at the current sports it can be understood which team will win and which team will lose. Since you have won most of your bets with signals from here, you can try it for one month by joining VIP signal channel here. Because hearing from your mouth and understanding in your language the signals they generate has opened your destiny.  Since here you are very satisfied with their signal you can enter here. But I am not asking you to stay on VIP signal for month after month fee. But I think no one can give a better signal than learn to make sports signals yourself.

I will never trust the signals to bet my money and it should be followed by everyone too so that you can't blame anyone for the decisions you make. It's good that it worked out for you but I won't call it an achievement in gambling since we are talking about something that is based on the luck factor so you can say that your luck factor changed in the latest phase.

If someone ever stuck in this situation then keep one thing in your mind whether you want to continue trust the tips coming from someone whether its paid of free or just gonna trust your own thoughts and let everything controlled by your common sense.

The money involved in the gambling was hard earning by yourself.So you should hope on you to win the game in the gambling.The self considence was the key factor of the many successful story by the gamblers.The luck factor was the important one in the gambling,but some gambler use to bet randomly and lagging of luck in the game.The game of the gambler should not affected by the emotion at any point,if the emotion enter the game of the gambler.Surely it will affect in the very big way and leads to the loss by the gambler.

There's nothing wrong on giving it a try if you think that's the best thing to do.

Observe the situation, including your winning and losing stats while on progress. From there, you can tell if what you did is a good thing or not.

Give it a try and check it for yourself rather than thinking too much and creating speculations.

I really agree with your opinion, you are right, in my opinion, if we experience consecutive losses we should stop our gambling activities so as not to add to the burden on our minds and to minimize our regrets in gambling. In my opinion, there is no need to force yourself to join a VIP membership if financial conditions do not allow it and you also need to remember that there is no guarantee that joining or becoming a VIP member will make us rich because that is their strategy to attract gamblers deeper into spending gamblers' money. in their place.
I hope OP should think about what is more important to improve his finances rather than being confused about his choice of joining a VIP membership at an online casino.

Try to formulate your own bets and stop making it all about money.   Play to get a good record of betting on games, often doing well with sports betting is knowing when to balance or cash out early on a game with excess risk.  Some games you bet early, some I would only bet live during the game because of uncertainties.  Basically you need to build up your own experience & alot of it I would equate to emotional management of win vs loss with sound judgement it is a skill imo, so I dont see the tips service is more then a crutch.  
  I have used a group like this myself but only for one month and mostly because I knew the person running it and wanted to support them either way.   My experience was ok, in fact to fully use this group I would need to have the phone sitting in front of me 8 hours a day to jump up and immediately place before the odds changed.  I got sent so many messages it filled up the memory, my phone was sorely lacking as was my own level of commitment to be involved all day.  Super intense and its work basically, alot of people its not suitable for, even the good groups.

Gambling aren't only about money, I know. Strategy, thrill, and, dare I say, game art are key. If you have a gut intuition, who needs tips? Right? Actually, it's about finding the balance between playing it safe and taking a big risk. Also, emotional control? That's game-changing. Staying calm is key, win or lose.

That tips service sounds like a blast! Daylong phone buzz, odds changing every second, and messages pouring in. The equivalent of a full-time job? However, it's not worth it unless you're 100% committed. What someone wants to spend all day on their phone? Not I! Likely not you. Tipping or not? That's the query. What's next, ace?

A lot of people don't get things until they experience them themselves, and before they get to experience something themselves whether it's a loss or anything, they will simply keep ignoring the advice and everything given by others because they think that others might be wrong and the experience might not be as what they are describing. However, at the end of the day, when they see it themselves, that is when they regret that they should have listened.

I used to stop people and advise them about gambling and the addiction and that they can't really earn money from it and will eventually lose, but after some time, I realized that it's useless and I'm wasting my time and energy on something that isn't going to give me anything. If they don't want to listen, let them face the consequences and they will eventually understand.

The fact is that many people misunderstand the meaning of gambling and gambling in general. You need to have the right attitude to these matters, and it consists in getting pleasure from gambling and not thinking about earning money. That's what professional psychologists with a gambling specialization usually say. At the moment when a person is jealous of someone's success, or he gets a lot of money from gambling thanks to luck, this person begins to think that this is how you can earn. But this is a big mistake.
Hence the conclusion - if someone can't stop thinking about gambling as a job with getting money, he is most likely a problem gambler.

It is difficult to know what those people are thinking, as a misunderstanding would imply they looked for some information about how gambling works and then they understood wrongly what it is about, I really think the majority of the problem gamblers never did this, and instead they created their own expectations out of gambling, and even if at some point they read the information that it is impossible to beat the casinos, their previous false beliefs are so deeply ingrained on their minds that they cannot help to think they can find a way to become profitable anyway.

Yes, there is some truth in what you say, the more advanced technology nowadays and the ease of gambling using cellphones certainly makes more gamblers become addicts, because this convenience is what triggers them to gamble without limits just by sitting relaxed at home and being able to gamble using their cellphones, maybe If gambling couldn't be accessed on mobile phones it might be easier to stop gambling and get rid of the addiction.

There are a lot of gamblers nowadays who are young people and there are also underage people who gamble. Most of those I saw use their cellphones to gamble because the convenience is what seems to make them become gamblers. This should be the government's attention to limiting this as well so that there aren't too many child gamblers. Underage children access gambling with their cellphones and it is also a concern for parents to prevent their children from gambling.

If you can stop people and advise them about gambling and addiction, you will help them avoid losing, especially if they don't have good self-control, which can trigger them to gamble continuously. This will be useful for them because when they are addicted to gambling, they will no longer be able to be advised by anyone. If they can be advised, it will not be easy for them to accept because they will be resistant before they finally accept it.

But if they can take advice from other people, that's good because at least they still care about themselves. They want to prevent themselves from experiencing loss and becoming addicted to gambling. That means we have really helped them to avoid problems that can arise from gambling.

Its up to you since its your money to be used up on and if you do see that it did really spark out your interest on playing gambling again and this what makes you happy then it would really be that better that you should follow on what your heart tells you. The only thing that you should really be reminded of is on how to have that good self control towards spending with the gambling session that you are dealing with. Majority of people would really be that getting lost of the track on the time that they do become impulsive because of gambling and spending their money is really that out of control on which it do really end up on a disaster.
Seems like that you do have that kind of control on  stopping midway then i could say that it should be fine. Why not really just try out and see for yourself if you are really that satisfied on that group that you are engaging into? If it does give out that kind of impression that you are being that freed from curse then so be it and test it out on how long it would last.

If you do find yourself getting enjoyed and happy then go ahead. Dont let other people would really be the reason for them to hinder you out on the things that you do want or like to do.
Somewhat majority of us would really be sticking into those basic principles in life and this is why we could really be able to say such things on which it isnt really that bad
to consider it out.

Yes if you can do that it's great, because those who are addicted will be helped a lot by some of your suggestions, but I think for those who are already addicted it might be very difficult, because as we know they have their own mindset in gambling, and obviously their perspective in seeing it is far from normal, in the sense that usually they are too excessive so that they can enter the addiction phase. So for those who are already addicted, maybe you need a lot of time or hard work so that the advice you give them can be accepted well, as you said that they can no longer be advised. It's okay if you want to advise them with the aim of helping because it's quite good, so with you I hope they will consider some of the advice you give especially in the problem of losing.

It's quite difficult but that doesn't mean it's impossible, that way maybe they will realize slowly. And well usually those gamblers who are already addicted must first feel a significant downturn before finally thinking that this is really a bad habit that only causes a lot of problems, so after they experience that I think there is a chance of awareness for them to stop.

They mostly get a bias effect where they think one of few successful gamblers are representing if gambling will make them rich. They forget if maybe only 1% is become rich in gambling and 99% of gamblers are lose.

However sometime I don't understand why someone is jealous of someone's success, they should realize if working hard and luck are the reason behind that.

You are not alone in this kind of story, most of us here who participate in gambling have one or two stories to tell of our experiences we have faced with gambling.

Most of the time we lose the game isn't because we are not lucky but because we are doing it all wrong, and it makes sense at some point to change our betting strategy and try out new ways.

Therefore, From what you have said regarding joining a telegram channel that shares quality football tips and having you follow their tips and achieve some positive results, I suggest you do further research by pming other members of the group for transparency of the channel and after you have done proper research and you are satisfied with your findings about the channel, you can give it a trial as life is all about risk, IMO. If you succeed you win and if lose you, you learn.

If that's how you feel, don't continue. It's that simple; it's just like this: if you see a hole in the ship that will eventually sink, why would you board it? You're lucky if you've experienced winning there before, and I also think that it's like you've just been bitten and your trust in them is taken completely, and when they see that, they'll suddenly demand a large amount from you.

That's the strategy of the scammers: they will take care of their prospects first; they will also take the risk of winning you; and when they see that you really trust them, they will demand a large amount from you because they will use it. The ticket is the one you experienced, and you won what they gave you. So be careful, no matter what.

The truth about gambling and success attached to gambling is that over 80% of gamblers are losers while 15% are successful in it while the remaining 5% are always getting back whatever they lose and that's why gambling shouldn't be seen as avenue to make a good living or to become successful in life. No matter how strategic one tries to be in gambling, there are more chances of losing than winning

If you think that you have their trust in mind and believe they cannot do and undo, then go ahead with them to continue to the advanced stage, but before that, maybe you should also consider the numbers of times and years you've all being together with each other, then realized the level of commitment you had with each other, also to me i don't think being on the VIP list has more advantage since you all bear the same risk together to win or loose and you're qualify to be among the VIP base on the fact that you spend alot on gambling.

What exactly is the difference between those who create telegram channels to share sport bet tips and signals and those who just accept them hook-line-and-sinker? The difference I see here is that the admin of the group who shares this tips put in the work while The others who can also put in the work just decides to be consumers. This is not hard to learn because you already have some level of experience and you can gather knowledge about it and do your own betting yourself.

Everyone has a losing experience tale to tell and yours is no different but you should not be beaten down by yours that you are afraid to get back up. Losing is part of the game and winning is also part of the game but all of them is all about strategy and that is what I feel that you are missing out on.

I tell you success in sports betting is a marathon and not a sprint more like the iron Man marathon.

    -   It's also hard to trust that, especially in telegram group channels. We know that these apps are often used by scammers, to be honest. Unless you have a known person on the Telegram channel.

Then why would you play there on Telegram? It's better to play on the website of a casino, and at least there you can see for yourself what the TOS and other features are on their gambling platform instead of something like that that might happen to you, which is not good for the capital that you will use for gambling.

People want success in sportbetting in a sprint and not a marathon, there is where the most errors and mistakes come from. People do not trust their own intuition and experience, so they try to rely on other people they find in the internet.

The fact is that noone in a telegram group would share their strategy for free, if we talk on actual good strategies to score some money, and there are more scammers than actual tipsters in that messaging platform.  

In my opinion, people new to the world of betting (specially when comes to sports), should not see their initial loses as an absolute loss but rather than an investment in the own personal experience, so can have a better idea on how to bet in the future. Nobody is born being a professional bettor.

Even casino managers admit that often the best advertisement is if someone's friend has earned money on bets, then this someone starts to think that he is smarter. He can earn even more with his knowledge. After that, the first bet occurs, the first luck, and that's how a new casino or betting player appears.
People are envious by nature, and I'm sure you know stories when even close relatives of brothers or sisters quarreled over inheritance or someone else's success, unfortunately, in life-this is a frequent occurrence outside of gambling.

If you must join then do so with the money you made from the bets you have won so far since the beginning of the season else if you use your hard earned money to play you most likely may regret if the VIP turns out counter productive as the free channel has been all along but then if you use the money you have won all along it will most likely feel like retuning back their money to them.

But then I must say coming back after a long time has some danger attached and if you are not careful addiction isn't far from you so be careful and make sure to reduce your greed level and apply contempt in that if you know you can no longer afford or keep up with the VIP do not allow yourself to be enticed as this is a game of luck although applying strategy could help reduce your chances of loss which I think is what they are doing in that Chanel, they have a strategy with which they put up game so they win more often than they loose.

Yes, I totally agree with you on what you just said above, because just as I earlier asked O.P that how much profit did he make during his/her 1 month free game prediction, and likewise how many game odds was provided during the free period, which he/she is yet to response to my comment. As those are basic criteria to help O.P determine if to pay for subscription or not base on how much profit he may have made. If not, I still doubt that there exist a telegram subscription channel that provide fixed game odds that actually works.

It’s for you to decide mate. But as for me, if you have proven it to yourself that this channel is somewhat reliable for all your profits, then why not take the risk? You have made decent profits from your previous bets so I don’t think it will be a loss for you if you try one. Good thing here is you did not jump on your decision, at least you try to observe the channel first and win some bets, so I guess it will be a good try to buy the membership and let’s see what will happen next.

That is true. If you're surrounded by friends who are eager to earn money and they find out that you're actually making something off of your gambling habits, they might even consider gambling just because you're doing it and you're getting something from it. It's like they don't want to get one-upped by you in terms of money making and they'll think that they can do better, when in reality you just had your lucky streaks and you often lose in gambling.

It all comes down to effort. Telegram channel creators work, research, analyze, and share their knowledge. They participate actively. On the other hand, there are those who just consume... They listen without questioning or investigating. It's almost like, since you have the experience, why not work harder? Why not acquire information and make wise choices?

Losing? Yes, everyone has experienced that. Your story, my story, their story - we've all faced losses. But getting back up is more important than falling, isn't that right? It all comes down to learning, adjusting, and planning. Strategy, strategy, strategy - that's the key. Sports betting isn't about quick wins; it's a long game. Consider it as a voyage, a protracted one on which your greatest allies will be perseverance, planning, and patience. Explore farther, gain more knowledge, and never forget that while asking for help is acceptable, having faith in oneself is also vital

People who are addicted to gambling may not be aware of their addiction even if their addiction becomes more severe. People around him can detect when his addiction is worsening because there may be signs that he will show to other people, but the gambler is unaware of it. This requires a response from the people closest to him to start approaching him and trying to talk to him. Maybe he has difficulty expressing or telling the story but slowly, by finding the right approach, he can start telling the story. And it will require more attention from the people around him to care about what he is experiencing and try to lend a hand to help the gambler.

By slowly and continuously looking for approaches that can make the gambler start to open up, he will realize that he is not alone and there are people around him who are always ready to help him overcome his gambling addiction problem. Usually, gamblers who are addicted to gambling have experienced significant decline so that the people around them can feel it and can immediately help them.

You have good experience with the VIP gambling group and that's good, but most people don't have the same experience as you, so my advice is to be careful, I see how desperate you are to win at least one game, you claimed that you are into football and basketball, maybe you are bad at it, because whatever you get on the VIP group is basically predictions too, I think you need to be cautious because the way you sound looks like you are really willing to make some money through gambling.

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A piece of advice for you mate, do not have any expectations from gambling, if you are not good at gambling you should keep using small money that doesn't cost you a thing, just a small fraction of what you are earning per month and you won't worry that you are losing, mind you, thinks will just turn around when you don't expect it, but this you are now a part of VIP group I wish you the very best.

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Still, gamble with what you can afford to lose, it's easier to think that the VIP group is why you are winning but it's still all about luck, don't get greedy and throw in a high amount of money because the VIP groups have gave you some right betting calls, you are still at a greater risk.

Yes, it is true that some of them are aware of their addiction and some are not at all, as we know that addiction is under the human consciousness so it is very natural that they are not aware of it and maybe only a small percentage are aware of it, they feel that they have done something reasonable, none other than that happens because of their wrong mindset and have been instigated by expectations that are too high in gambling. So even though for example they experience defeat it is like a very ordinary thing, even though it happens very often, and somehow when they win they are very happy. But just try if you count the number of wins and losses must be greater your defeat there.

If it is already addicted I think some advice from others will not fully help because they will remain firmly in the wrong mindset that they think is right, but there is nothing wrong with giving advice because obviously it is nothing but for their good too, some are successful but only a small percentage, and I say it depends on the level of their addiction, if it is severe it will be higher. Of course if it's true as you say, if they don't stop immediately then there will definitely be unexpected effects, but strangely they never think about it.

Believe me, it is not a curse that makes you win, but you could say that the victory you get is a temptation to not be able to stop gambling. Casinos apply stimuli and measure your response after being awarded a win. Then you will be interested and increasingly confident in playing at this casino that you consider very promising. We know that this channel has succeeded in bringing you into its circle of fraud. So would you believe that it is a blessing that playing at other casinos is not profitable and then finding a gambling house that is willing to lose money on you? Of course not, from the start you started to enter the group's channel and until now you are still interested, meaning you have succeeded in being deceived by them.

His losses will be bigger than his wins but he doesn't realize it and instead continues gambling because he thinks that his losses will pay off when he can get a big win. But unfortunately, he doesn't know when he can win big and he can only keep dreaming while continuing to gamble until finally he can win big or not at all. And yes, he will get addicted if he does not realize that something has changed about him by gambling too often, making him continue to hope for a big win. Even though he has lost so many times that he may no longer be able to calculate how much money he has spent gambling.

His addiction will make him close his ears to other people's advice because it is useless to him at all. After all, he only sees that he can still have a chance to win big from gambling. But it's all uncertain because in gambling, someone may find it difficult to get their big win. Maybe he could get a small win but it still wouldn't be enough to recover from his growing losses. However, he should try to get out of gambling slowly and realize he has made a mistake.

Of course, because if they come to focus on finding victory then I'm sure the number of losses is far more than the victory, that's for sure, because the casino has arranged everything and the real victory is only purely for the casino itself, and you only get a little. But strangely they always think that if they try it again then surely they will be able to get a win to compensate for the losses in the previous time, honestly I am really strange with that kind of mindset, even though no one can predict when you will win, but to lose is definitely more often. and I say that's the disease that every gambling addict suffers from. Of course if the wrong mindset continues to be allowed then surely they will be worse off and obviously things that are not wanted will happen.

Honestly, I also can't think that people who are already addicted can recover with just advice, maybe it will be able to help but I think the chances are very small but this is a pretty good alternative and hopefully even with advice they can realize, no one knows. So the point is that gambling is really only about luck, no matter how often you play, if luck does not come then you will continue to lose, so the point is to try to think more wisely and realistically.

Winning at first is a bait where you're encouraged to gamble more and enjoy your early days in gambling. Indeed, not a surprise that is why we should be careful in those groups that we join and of course, the platform. Many sites looked good and would give us a favor at first but later on, we found out that they were just playing us while they saw us as having interest. They just observe how we gamble as that will give them an idea who we are. That is manipulation and many gamblers have fallen to such a trick.

Yes, yes, my friend, the casino always - and I repeat, always - carefully shapes its formulas. Win a bit, lose a bit more, and voila! It appears like you're always attempting to catch and avoid losses. What if gamers put coins in an adorable piggy bank instead of the slot machine? Doesnt every loss prevented seem like a modest success against the casino's plan?

But I agree with you: offering someone advise on how to avoid gambling shouldnt simply be about telling them stories of loss and gain; we should also show them the genuine benefits of every coin they dont gamble away. Turning an addiction into something pleasurable and non-destructive could help you wager against gambling

Many have proven that if they come to the casino and gamble to win, they can experience more losses than they previously lost. They should know that and not try hard to win because they must also use more money. Apart from that, the amount of winnings will also not be too big compared to their winnings, so they don't need that mindset. Most of them will continue to play even though they have won because human nature always wants something more. But we don't need to follow what they do, especially since we already have gambling experience, so we have to control ourselves so we don't experience more losses. We must have the mindset of not chasing victory so we don't become greedy and feel enough after winning to stop gambling.

As long as the addicted person strongly desires to recover, they can recover. Strong intentions, hard efforts to cure his gambling addiction, encouragement and support from his family, and prayer will be a good way to recover from his gambling addiction. And they have to do it because if they don't, they might return to gambling. Gambling is only for fun and not to chase wins.

For what I can tell friends have the tendency to look at their peers as being on the same level as themselves, so if suddenly you can do something they believe is out of the ordinary, they think that if you can do it then they should be able to do it as well, and while there is some truth to it, since most people can become incredibly good at almost any activity as long as they work hard enough, this is not possible when it comes to gambling as you are simply relying on your luck.

People visit casinos with the expectation of winning large, but losses can be enormously enormous! Folks, it's all about the mindset. You must adopt the best mindset possible. Now, pay close attention while you listen. People desire more and more once they win. Never enough, folks. Never enough. However, because we are smarter than they are, we don't have to do anything or adhere to their rules

Now, recovery, it's possible, it's possible. They are capable of doing anything they really, really want to do. Strong motivation, sustained effort, and family; family is very crucial, people. Also, don't forget to pray. It's the very finest method for beating a gambling addiction. But they must truly want it; they must want it badly. People, the main focus should be having fun rather than chasing after victories. We're going to bet responsibly, follow the rules, and come out on top.

Yes, that's right, the average thing like that happens indeed to those who come with the intention of being able to get a lot of wins but in the end experience a lot of defeat and it happens usually always to those who come with the intention of earning or winning. Yes, with a casino that has set up a system there where the percentage of wins is much smaller than the losses, then with that alone they should not continue to pursue victory there, even though they can prove it themselves that even though they have tried several times but the results are always more losses, I think if they don't listen to advice like this then and don't prevent it then it will only waste time and money, because according to what I have said above and you also said it that the number of defeats will be more and more, it is clear.

The number of wins and losses as long as they gamble will definitely be greater than the losses if they carry that mindset and intention, and of course I agree that strangely when they have managed to get a win I say it's not a real win because obviously they will be greedy in that condition, hoping that they will be able to win more, even though it's just an instinct of hope, and finally well all their money is gone again. That's right, basically whether or not they recover is up to them.

It's true what you said. Those who go to the casino with that hope won't get it, but they may still get a small win. However, there may be people who can get big wins but the number is very small compared to people who lose or win with small wins. People who want big wins after getting wins can be greedy because they don't see the ability to get big wins as very difficult but still try anyway. It's not worth continuing and they need to end their gambling game before they lose a lot of money.

If they want to recover from their gambling addiction or reduce their gambling activities, they can do so as long as they have the intention and are serious about doing everything necessary. It's up to them because they are the ones who will live it and if they are really serious about what they say, they will do it seriously until they can prove it to themselves.

So they must realize that their intention to achieve many wins will be difficult so they don't need to try hard to get it. And if they stay like that, they will only experience many defeats they might never have imagined. They can accept those small wins first because they can get big wins later, especially if they get lucky at the right time. So they don't need to think about getting that big win, but just play enough and end the gambling game when they feel like they've gambled enough.

And even though using enough money can result in losses for them, they can prevent those losses from getting bigger. And of course, they still have money in their balance that can be used to gamble again another day. They shouldn't think about getting more wins if they can win because that won't always be easy. They must understand that gambling will not provide gamblers with more frequent wins.

Yes, that's what they should really realize, none other than for their own good, if they can't reach that awareness then maybe they can take advice or consider some advice from the people closest to them so that there is a little encouragement to realize. In addition, it is useless if they continue to play with the intention of finding victory there, not impossible but very difficult because obviously getting victory is much more difficult than defeat, they will be able to get the victory if they have sacrificed several or even dozens of defeats, it is very clear that if the sum is definitely greater than the loss, so it is very silly if they say that it is a victory.

Agree, we really don't need to think about winning there, just you come with the aim of having fun with a budget that you can lose or account for if you lose, that's better, because no one can predict when you will be lucky, and even though you bring a small budget if you are lucky then you will be able to get the victory that is always expected. So there is no point if you think of all the ways to get a win, whatever budget you bring does not matter, if you are lucky then you can win.

I agree with a little exception,I am finding out now that it is better to play sport betting parlays which you can add other people insights from different sources to increase the level of it coming true,of course you cannot do it directly as you need experience but if you keep doing it for years then I am pretty sure it will come a time when you can hit a parlay with huge odds which would make you one of the best in sport betting and for this luck is not needed 100% rather some chunk of it.By doing so we can increase the chances of making a big win without relying much on our own.

The irony is clear. In their pursuit of winning, people forget the game's spirit. Money isnt merely thrown around expecting wins. Understanding mechanics, strategy, and, most importantly, oneself. You're right. Winner and loser? Two sides of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. This ends the debate about chasing wins.

Budget obsession also confuses me. As you noted, luck doesnt check your pocketbook before blessing you. Whats the point if not to enjoy within limits? I agree with you about luck and the absurdity of continually planning for wins. Sometimes its about being there, playing smart, and enjoying the ride, regardless of the outcome.

The thing you should avoid is actually giving your money to pay for something that you are not sure about and make sure of, and from your story your winnings since joining the Telegram group have increased drastically. then to be honest, in my opinion you are the one who should be able to decide for yourself what you will do and if indeed that Telegram group can help you continue to win then joining their VIP group is an option you can take.  Even though i have never joined any Telegram group when it comes to gambling, if there is a group that can really give me a high winning percentage then i think paying to that group is not too detrimental.

That's right because after playing gambling several times, they can see what their chances of winning are. If they only get more losses, they should think again about gambling too often because the results are not very good either. They can still gamble again, but with the condition that they don't gamble too often and only gamble for fun. But this is not easy because after all, gambling can make them forget their original purpose of gambling and can even make them wonder why they can't win a lot of money. No, not winning a lot of money, but winning on many gambling occasions. They need to pay attention to the amount of money that has been used so that the money does not just end up on the gambling table because it will be difficult to recover the losses.

Yes, we just need to have fun in gambling so we don't focus too much on winning. After all, getting a win in gambling is difficult and not easy to get. Even many people have experienced big losses. They should think about how much budget they need to prepare for gambling and not exceed their budget limit so that they don't lose too much.

having fun at gambling is very necessary and planning a small budget is also very important but here what is more important is just good self control and the mindset to gamble healthily without betting large amounts and knowing when to quit betting. in this case we also have to really understand how the gambling platform works where we always win and we always lose and if we occasionally win it is a bonus from the entertainment we enjoy and that when we have to quit.

and if one day a different problem occurs, such as the feeling of wanting to continue gambling, this is the result of poor control and signs of addiction coming to dominate the mind and at this time we should start positive thoughts by giving our minds the fear of gambling or fear lost too much so they not keep thinking about gambling.

It's saddening to read that you consider yourself as one of the unluckiest man because of gamble, but I can't really blame you for thinking and feeling so, because your feelings are valid. Maybe gambling isn't just really for you. Or perhaps you should assess your betting strategies and knowledge about the sports you are interested in so that you won't experience more losses in the process. Just remember to have fun, be entertained, and limit yourself into playing as well as manage your expectations so that you won't get hurt and be disappointed.

It's totally normal to lose sometimes, some people lose more frequently lile you do. Just don't lose hope and do better the next time around if you really want to gamble. But if after several attempts it still won't work, then just decide from there whether it's still worth it to try and bet more. Sometimes quitting is the answer if something isn't for us. Regarding subscribing to VIP, if in doubt, don't. Especially if the site isn't reputable enough to shed out a big money for gambling.

If they come with the wrong perspective and mindset that is only looking for victory then obviously the fun in the game may not be considered too much, even though it should be what gamblers are always looking for, meaning coming just to have fun and enjoy every round, no matter whether they lose or win, they definitely come with normal intentions just to fill time and seek entertainment.

Yes it is quite confusing when you see or hear the mindset of someone who says that the amount of budget can affect the chances of winning, honestly I can't think that it's true and I wouldn't agree if indeed the amount of budget can increase your chances of winning. I say if you bring a large amount of budget then it will only be useful to extend the time you play because obviously your capital is quite large, for the problem of winning or not honestly it goes back to your luck at that time, if it is unlucky then obviously you will lose again as usual. This is gambling my friend not business or anything that can give you a guaranteed return.

Then why there are people who depend on them? But these people are sometimes blind enough to see their flaws and they will only realized it at the end. There are still gambling channels out there who can genuinely perform better than a newbie gambler.

I guess it sometimes need luck to be with them because newbies don't know how to make a research and know if what is right and wrong. Apart from being a newbie, being lazy (like you said) is also what pushed for the people to avail such service. Well, I guess many of them already expect the negative outcomes. We can't do much about these people if what they want is to burn more money than gaining it.

That's the thing, it's greed and a never-ending desire to get more every time we get something whether it's money or anything else that we like or need. When we get some wins in gambling, we even lose that quickly after that because we want to get more using it but the house doesn't let us do that.

Maybe and maybe not. There is a saying in English that says, "God helps those who help themselves." which basically means that one shouldn't just pray to god for something and then sit and relax that they will get it, when you want to get something, you should pray but also keep trying on your own to achieve that thing and then you will eventually get it.

Alas! People don't do that very often. When someone starts gambling, they might think that they will gamble responsibly and only have some fun, but they soon lose control and then become irresponsible.

What you say is also very important. Therefore, we must understand that to enjoy gambling, we must have all of that so we don't experience any problems. Usually, if we lose one of those mentioned, we will also start to lose control, which can trigger us to spend more money because we want to win. And when the desire to win appears, we will not care about the boundaries we have created and in the end, we will only follow our desire to win.

And when we experience such incidents more often, we start to experience gambling addiction so that if not treated immediately, the gambling addiction can become big. In the end, we will become addicted to gambling like other people experience. For this reason, we must always take good care of ourselves while gambling so that we don't experience serious problems.

Indeed, gambling will make us greedy if we cannot control ourselves and have the ambition to be able to win again and again, even though gambling doesn't work like that, when you win once it means it's your luck that day and don't hope for more continuously because it will make you even worse uncontrolled and will actually waste your money. Sometimes gambling only gives us profits at the beginning, after which we will experience a turnaround where our balance will return to before or even use up the balance we have, therefore we have to use it well, don't have too high expectations for gambling.

Gambling is supposed to be fun and an exciting experience, the moment this is not true anymore we need to reevaluate if it is still worth it for us to pursue this hobby, now most gamblers will only require some small adjustments to go back to their roots and enjoy gambling for what is meant to be, however sometimes it is needed from them to recognize they have deeper problems which cannot be solved that easily, and it could be a good idea to leave gambling behind for a time until they can learn how to conduct themselves while they gamble.

Simple advice, If you have tried on your own on several occassions and it has been unproductive for you and your friends and now you have tried someone's telegram channel and its obvious the person has done his due diligence to give you games, then, I think it is now clear that the person is more skillful in the art and for the fact that you have not been loosing, it means he can actually be real.
You can subscribe to his VIP but do not let the subscription be more than the total sum you have won from the free games.

I often see incidents like this from beginner gamblers (not all) usually these beginner gamblers have very big ambitions to win because they have seen their friends win big or seen advertisements that show big wins and in their mindset the beginner gamblers are still very early and accept all of this instantly and thinking that gambling can produce big wins without knowing the risks and his mind is constantly driven by the ambition of wanting to get a big win and almost every day his mind will continue to think about gambling and this is the start of addiction because of the mistakes of novice gamblers who have an instant mindset and this behavior is not treated immediately or he is not even aware that the addiction will be very bad because in the short term he will become a very bad gambling addict.

We must be very Careful when we are in a casino, because Basically when we are in the casino we put up many ideas, among them we can do something very common that is always playing to win, but we have to be very Careful, because in The thing is , things Don't work like that, we must enter with many prior agreements, not about the game we are going to play , although it would be a plus, but it would be good if they could do things like, for example, know that every time we go to In some cases, the most likely thing is that we as players have a balance willing to lose, a budget where nothing will affect us if we lose, that it is not Something that is going to give us a bad time later , or Extract a lot of money, because That is the main thing to Fall into an eventual addiction, and that is what must be avoided at all costs, for that reason we can do many things to avoid it, and I believe that the main thing is one of the things that we could Experience. .

We, like good friends, when we are in a casino with our Friends, if we Know that someone does not have much experience, we can help as long as they dare or give us the permissions, as long as they are correct. because I have seen cases where many friends leave a casino or a Game Fighting in particular because they make them lose money to the other, so the cases are usually very delicate, etc. We can try to see what can happen, but that is what we know. You have to be careful when it comes to being able to do things better, now well, in this Order of ideas we might think that when things are about how to do things in order to have a better experience we can have only their advice, but Of course, the pain of money is us, no one else, we are the ones who decide what to do and what not to do, that is why we must be careful with our money, for me the secret of success will always be that we must take good care of what what we have.

It's true and it's normal to have huge ambitions to win. But they should be able to think that in gambling, someone cannot win big easily because that person has to go through many losses and maybe only then can get lucky. It is rare for anyone to win big at the start of their gambling unless that person gets lucky enough to win big. Novice gamblers shouldn't think about the big wins they see because it is just an advertisement intended to tempt people who see it so they are interested in going to the casino and gambling there.

These novice gamblers really have to realize that they are still new to gambling so they don't need to try hard to win the gambling game. They only need to play enough and stop when they feel enough. That is not the case because whatever happens to them, they will become more and more eager to gamble. After all, they think they can win many times, even though that will never happen. They can experience big losses after playing for a while.

It's not advisable to avail the service of these channels just because you're having a hard time to win in gambling. But there are people who think this is the best thing to do like the op who lose his confidence to bet using his own knowledge. The thought that VIP access can bring more winnings (and money of course) are tempting. Well, if it's free, why not? But if there's a money involved already, just think if is really worth it or even necessary?

We can't coerce the gamblers to do as we say. However if you're going to gamble (either in sports or casino games) keep in mind that it is always better to place a bet based on what you know and not because you are following a paid channels thinking it is reliable.

Actually betting for yourself is better at your own risk, learning to analyze and research is not difficult in fact if you really want to be serious about betting on sports betting, it's okay to fail and lose because that's part of gambling which results in risks that must be borne, let everything process and In the end it will be an experience for ourselves, after analyzing a lot, focus on what we have learned and bet based on what we know and then deepen it.

I often remind beginners not to follow too many channels like that because actually this forum also provides lots of predictions and analysis from other gambling players that we can take for our own bets, why pay to people if you can get everything it's free here. The bottom line is that it is better to bet at your own risk and use this forum to analyze each match you want to bet on.

Never place a bet on a game that you have not mastered the direction of the game. The two teams that are fighting have different strengths, even though at certain times there may be surprises in the outcome of the match, having knowledge of the strengths of the two teams that will compete is very necessary before placing a bet. Start learning from your friends, find out how they make choices when placing bets. You must be able to master your friend's way of betting to get rid of the bad luck that has so far cost you a lot of money.

Or I think it would also be logical if you bet not much. I mean, you can still try to place a bet although you havent played it before. Theres always a first time for anything right? But it would be necessary that along the way, you are learning how the game works. If you are losing many times already, maybe there is something that you should work on your play.

Most of the casino games has very simple mechanics which you place a bet and wait for the result either win or lose. There’s no complicated game in the casino that needs to be study first before someone can play it thoroughly. Besides, no one can master or predict the outcome of the game just because he is playing the game most of the time since the result is random.

You can win a lot on a new game if you are lucky enough to hit that winning streak same when you are playing your favorite game. Luck is random so anyone can win on any game regardless of how much time they dedicate to master it.