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Title: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: grue on December 15, 2011, 03:32:34 AM
It's way more messy than the original client, and each gui element takes up way too much space. and it doesn't remember the layout once i close it.

https://i.imgur.com/PY2l7.png
https://i.imgur.com/4CvfO.png
https://i.imgur.com/Zmrtv.png

But I do like some of the features, like the loading screen and data exporting.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: MysteryMiner on December 15, 2011, 04:47:39 AM
You are not alone, I have started new thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52517.0 with the same complaints and ranted about new qt version in few other threads. So at least the criticism is 100% valid.

The Export function might be useful for some users. It might be located under File -> Export to .CSV

Probably I should call to Fork Bitcoin. The 0.4.1 is nice example, maybe Bitcoin 0.4.2 is coming out. Will run them as long as they are operating.

Edit: Your screenshots of Bitcoin-qt look much better than on my computer. Just try to switch to Classic theme under Windows 7 and you will know what irritates my eyes. That's why native Windows API is so good, it is compatible with all M$ windows incarnations.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Ryland R. Taylor-Almanza on December 15, 2011, 04:53:45 AM
Compared to the old gui, I love the new one. However, it still needs a lot of work.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on December 15, 2011, 04:58:31 AM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations. When it has less there are different icons, and hovering over it displays the exact number of confirmations. It takes less horizontal space than the confirmations listing in the old GUI.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Deafboy on December 15, 2011, 05:07:27 AM
You are not alone!
Fully agree with first 2 screenshots.
I hate the space wasting.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: grue on December 15, 2011, 06:19:43 PM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations. When it has less there are different icons, and hovering over it displays the exact number of confirmations. It takes less horizontal space than the confirmations listing in the old GUI.
wouldn't it be better to make the slightly row greyed out? and on mouseover, tell how many confirmations are needed?


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on December 15, 2011, 07:17:19 PM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations. When it has less there are different icons, and hovering over it displays the exact number of confirmations. It takes less horizontal space than the confirmations listing in the old GUI.
wouldn't it be better to make the slightly row greyed out? and on mouseover, tell how many confirmations are needed?
Maybe. My point was that in this regard the qt GUI isn't more space-consuming than the old GUI.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: dunand on December 15, 2011, 08:27:22 PM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations.

I think the V (check) appear with 120 confirmations not 6.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on December 15, 2011, 09:28:14 PM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations.
I think the V (check) appear with 120 confirmations not 6.
Only for generation transactions. Eligius pays out with the generation transaction which is why that's what you saw, but for normal transactions it's 6.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: grue on December 15, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
In case you're unaware, the V next to a transaction means it has 6 confirmations. When it has less there are different icons, and hovering over it displays the exact number of confirmations. It takes less horizontal space than the confirmations listing in the old GUI.
wouldn't it be better to make the slightly row greyed out? and on mouseover, tell how many confirmations are needed?
Maybe. My point was that in this regard the qt GUI isn't more space-consuming than the old GUI.
qt is saves space by replacing some words with symbols. but it also adds tons of useless icons and makes all the tables bigger. I think we can all agree that with the same amount of screen space, the original bitcoin client can fit more transactions than the qt version. The default window size of the qt client is too big as well.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: MysteryMiner on December 16, 2011, 02:21:35 AM
The things that are replaced with icons are pain in !@#$. I need to hover my cursor over and wait until popup appears, so I get my information. The new UI is retarded, I installed 0.4.1 over 0.5.0 and it works flawless!


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: K1773R on December 18, 2011, 03:10:32 AM
i really dislike it too, looks like some ppl who loves winvista/7 designed it...


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Herodes on December 18, 2011, 04:20:41 AM
You complain about free software? I'm sure there's developers waiting around to make you the perfect software if you're willing to pay.. And unless the author of the program sees the complaints, how can he do anything about it?

What about thanking this person for using of his free time to create something for others to use? Ungrateful users, I must say. If you were paying customers, not getting what you paid for, I'd understand, but this...


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Gabi on December 18, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
The screenshots are about version 5.0?  :o

It SUCKS! Luckily i still have my 4.0 here...

Also free software? With all the bounties&co spent, it's not exactly free... And there is a lot of really free software much much better than this

Is it so hard to make a decent gui? Is it so hard to NOT make things worse?


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: grue on December 18, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
You complain about free software? I'm sure there's developers waiting around to make you the perfect software if you're willing to pay.. And unless the author of the program sees the complaints, how can he do anything about it?

What about thanking this person for using of his free time to create something for others to use? Ungrateful users, I must say. If you were paying customers, not getting what you paid for, I'd understand, but this...
the interface was fine as it was. the "overview" tab is completely useless; all the information can be seen in the transactions tab. I have no idea why the "export" function is a button. it's not something that everyone uses. Most of the status indicators (connections, blocks) are now replaced with web 2.0-ish icons and i have to hover over them to get the info i want. And to top it all off, the new interface uses up more screen area while providing less information. I know it's "free" software, but it doesn't have to take a step back.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: pazor on December 18, 2011, 05:41:19 PM
i do not like it too !
i prefer version 0.40


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Raoul Duke on December 18, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
Add me to the list. Bitcoin-qt sucks.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Greed on December 21, 2011, 01:46:05 AM
I don't like the whitespace on the overview either, but the rest is just fine with me. If anything, I'd like to know if any of my transactions are pending and if they are how many confirmations they need on the overview.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: BkkCoins on December 21, 2011, 01:58:56 AM
I'm fine with this version. And rather than waste more time re-vamping the gui I'd much rather see future work on an "import private key" and other useful features.

(On the other hand when I see how much has been done so quickly on the blockchain.info wallet it makes me wonder if the devs get much time in on the client)


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Luke-Jr on December 21, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
If anyone wants to maintain wxBitcoin, get in touch with me on IRC and I can help you get git setup for it correctly.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: mc_lovin on December 21, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
It's also a bit strange that the filesizes are so drastically different.  Did they really re-write the whole thing for a graphical change?  Mac OSX 0.4.1 is 4.08MB and 0.5.1 is 13.8MB.

Windows version also doubled in size, yet the Linux version shrunk a little.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: MysteryMiner on December 22, 2011, 03:37:36 AM
It's also a bit strange that the filesizes are so drastically different.  Did they really re-write the whole thing for a graphical change?  Mac OSX 0.4.1 is 4.08MB and 0.5.1 is 13.8MB.

Windows version also doubled in size, yet the Linux version shrunk a little.
Qt apps are bloated, so that's not surprise for me. But the memory consumption are exactly the same or maybe a little bit less for Qt version.


Title: Re: Am I the only person who doesn't like bitcoin-qt?
Post by: Luke-Jr on December 22, 2011, 03:53:08 AM
It's also a bit strange that the filesizes are so drastically different.  Did they really re-write the whole thing for a graphical change?  Mac OSX 0.4.1 is 4.08MB and 0.5.1 is 13.8MB.

Windows version also doubled in size, yet the Linux version shrunk a little.
Qt apps are bloated, so that's not surprise for me. But the memory consumption are exactly the same or maybe a little bit less for Qt version.
No, Qt apps are not bloated: as he noted, the actual application got smaller. But Windows and Mac omit the standard Qt libraries, so Bitcoin-Qt includes them for convenience.