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Tomorrow is the start of the 2026 World Cup qualifiers for South America.
I don't know if many people here follow, but it's great to watch the matches, even though there are only 10 teams, for the next World Cup there will be 6 directly qualified and 1 more place for a play-off
The best matches are usually between these 3 teams: Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina, but there are still teams that surprise and manage to play at a high level from time to time, such as Ecuador, Colombia and Chile

First Round:

07 September

Paraguay x Peru
Place: Paraguay

Colombia x Venezuela
Place: Colombia

Argentina x Ecuador
Place: Argentina

08 September

Uruguay x Chile
Place: Uruguay

Brazil x Bolivia
Place: Brazil

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mFHtI.jpeg
Source (https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/articles/south-america-conmebol-qualifying-qualifiers-dates-teams-places-world-cup-2026)

Here's a good source of information about South American titles, top scorers etc: https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/articles/south-america-conmebol-qualifying-qualifiers-dates-teams-places-world-cup-2026

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Brazil is the only country to have participated in every World Cup
What do you think of these qualifiers?
Which team is your favorite? Brazil or Argentina?  :D

In the first round, the top 3 teams won their matches
Brazil won by the biggest margin, 5x1 against Bolivia, but Uruguay won 3x1 against a more difficult opponent in theory
Argentina won but it was by a small margin, with a free-kick from Messi
And speaking of Argentina, today the team will play at an altitude of 3,735 meters in La Paz, Bolivia, let's see how the team performs, it's never easy to play in Bolivia

Even so, today I believe we'll have wins from all three again, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay

Today you can make a good multiple bet, Brazil's single win pays 1.39, Argentina's 1.58 and Uruguay's 3.95, which gives 8.67 Odds hehe
I'll bet 5 dollars to try and win 43.37

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Second Round:

12 September

Bolivia x Argentina
Ecuador x Uruguay
Venezuela x Paraguay
Chile x Colombia
Peru x Brazil

I think Argentina,Brazil and maybe Paraguay should be the triple to join from these games,sure it is not with that high odd but more likely.After that I would combine another two here,Uruguay draw no bet together with Chile draw no bet as most likely the teams from South America when playing at home are dangerous in front of their fans.

On a side note I don't know how many times Argentina has suffered in Bolivia because they play in a very high above sea level there so it has been difficult.Most likely tomorrow will be different as they are reigning World Champions but I would be cautious here for that above sea level.

tomorrow we will have two games:

Bolivia - Argentina

Bolivia, who plays at home, comes to this game after a humiliating defeat that they suffered in their first game against Brazil, so they will strive to win or leave with at least a draw in this game against Argentina, we will see which player the coach from Bolivia will choose for the starting 11, for example abrego was the guy who scored Bolivia's only goal in the game against Brazil, the coach had chosen to put Marcelo Moreno in the starting 11 against Brazil, but Marcelo Moreno did not scored no goals, so perhaps in this game the Bolivian coach will put the abrego to play right at the beginning of the game. on the other hand, it is expected that the Argentine coach will not include Messi at the beginning of the game, because Messi suffered a blow in the game against Ecuador, it is also expected that Lizandro Martinez will not play in this game

In my opinion this will not be an easy game for Bolivia, because even if Messi doesn't play in this game, Argentina has many other good players like Di Maria, Lautaro Martinez and others. That's why I predict Argentina's victory in this game

Ecuador - Uruguay

Ecuador comes to this game after a defeat they suffered against Argentina, so playing at home Ecuador will look for a victory or at least a draw in this game, while their opponent comes more confident for this game because they are coming off a convincing victory against Chile, looking at the current squad of these two teams I would say that Uruguay has a better squad and I see Uruguay coming out victorious in this game

brazil - peru

brazil comes to this game very motivated, as they won in their last game against bolivia, in a game in which brazil scored 5 goals and conceded only 1 goal. on the other hand, we have peru that arrives in this game with a draw in its last game against paraguay, in a game in which peru was playing with 10 players from the 1st half. looking at the squad of the two teams, I would notice that Brazil has the best squad and therefore I see Brazil winning this game

This is a very controversial topic.

Bolivia has a number of good quality football stadiums in different parts of the country, but they insist on playing their qualifier matches at the Estadio Hernando Siles in La Paz, which is located at an elevation of 3,637 meters above sea level. Other teams are not happy about this, and several times they have complained against scheduling matches in this venue. In 2007, FIFA actually came up with a rule that no World Cup Qualifying matches can be hosted in venues that are 2,500 meters above the sea level. But then in 2008, Bolivia managed to get a special exemption for Estadio Hernando Siles.

Hehehe, once again South American soccer surprise us (and makes us lose bets  :P)
Uruguay lost, Argentina didn't suffer from the altitude and Paraguay lost to Venezuela


Good analysis, you got the 2 games right and got Uruguay wrong, just like the rest of us hahaha
I also thought Uruguay could win this game without too much trouble, but Ecuador managed to at least reset the points, since they started with minus 3 because of FIFA's punishment


Yes, it is controversial
In the past, teams suffered more, but nowadays with new discoveries, technology, faster transportation, etc., teams are able to make a good strategy so as not to suffer so much from the effects of altitude

Di María said this after the game  ;D:
Source (https://www.foxsports.com/articles/soccer/argentina-beats-altitude-and-bolivia-30-in-world-cup-qualifier-despite-no-messi#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20altitude%20is%20psychological%2C%E2%80%9D,champions%20nor%20on%20the%20bench.)

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Brazil managed to win, but it was a very difficult game
The new coach is very good, and I think with a few more games he'll be able to find an ideal team
I could already see Brazil playing differently, playing the ball more, with more teamwork

For CONMEBOL 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification have 10 national teams participants and current sixth standing above will automatically qualify to FIFA World Cup 2026. I don't think difficult for predicting which one national teams have bigger chance for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026 Brazil, Argentina automatically will finish on 1st and 2nd standings position.

Little surprise with Chile have played two matches and get 1 points make difficult position although still have many matches left and not difficult to finish on 6th standing for qualifying to World Cup. I think have special with CONMEBOL zone because ten national teams participants they get 6 automatically ticket will participants in World Cup 2026 and seems difference with slot for Asian and African zone.

Of course it's not difficult because we know which teams have dominance in CONMEBOL, in my opinion those who will enter the WC 2026 Brazil are: Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Chile and Peru/Paraguay.

BTW, In the last match we also saw surprises from teams like Ecuador and Venezuela who were able to get an additional 3 points for them in the standings. Don't think too much that this will be the end, because we'll still see 16 more matchdays in the CONMEBOL zone, so the current slump of teams like Uruguay can't be a full reference.

I'd put Ecuador on that list of qualifiers for the 2026 World Cup
They qualified directly, in 4th place in the 2022 qualifiers and in the World Cup they did well, with 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss

From what I've seen so far, with only 2 games of course, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia are very weak

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Shall we make a prediction?
Which teams do you think will qualify?
At the end of the qualifiers we can compare and see who got it right

It's not that easy for Ecuador to get into the 2026 WC, as I said before that we still have 16 matches remaining, I agree if what you mean by weak is Bolivia, but not for Paraguay and Chile. You must agree that we can't draw conclusions directly when there's still a lot of progress ahead.


Sounds interesting, especially if there's a prize for whoever wins, should we make a side bet on this? :D

Hehe, just for fun (at least for now)  :D

I'll post my prediction here:

• 1 - Brazil
• 2 - Argentina
• 3 - Uruguay
• 4 - Ecuador
• 5 - Colombia
• 6 - Chile
• 7 - Peru
• 8 - Paraguay
• 9 - Bolivia
• 10 - Venezuela

Yes, there has Been much speculation about this, and it seems that the Bolivians have always had very good control over this, because things for them in that stadium have been very good, however I saw a very comfortable Argentina, they ran faster I Know that Bolivians scored three goals that put them second in the standings, it really is something that surprised many, because it is difficult for Bolivians themselves, and it is difficult to play in La Paz due to the lack of oxygen when you run, it's something that affects anyone, in everything the less oxygen there is in the body the less it Yields,  then in this order of ideas we can Think that Bolivia has a Slight Advantage over the Others , I don't really know how it would be Argentina's preparation to go for Peace but what they did was Something that left everyone there surprised, because no one expected them to win, in fact they expected to see the Argentinians standing still, waiting to make a good counterattack, and it was all On the contrary, I saw Bolivia in its total defense, it seemed like a match where the home team would have been Agenitna because it had arrincaondaso in the defense,  for me Argentina is at a very high level of Football to beat Argentina or Brazil, it means that It requires a lot of work, a lot of Effort and running a lot, resisting a lot, because these people run like horses and it seems like they never get tired, or like the Brazilians, they were playing in Peru and had not been able to do anything in the 90 minutes, in fact Peru They had Gotten into their Defense zone attacking and attacking, for one reason I thought they were going to win against the Brazilians,  in fact they were things that I saw Even a Neymar who did not know what to do, until his assistance Arrived and they were Able to do the Goal , But a Goal that is Worth Gold , so this type of aceotneiceimtnos are what Make a team Shine , in fact they are First in the table.

Now there is Another date in October, and Brazil's next rival will be Venezuela, which by the way yesterday beat Paraguay, against all odds they did it, so with Brazil's game I do see it difficult for them to beat them, in fact if they beat them A Draw against Brazil is as if it were a real Victory.

Venezuela in last place? it doesn't make sense to me, they won't be in the top 6, but not in last place. Bolivia is more likely to occupy that position because they really deserve to be there with their achievements so far. The following is a list of my predictions for the CONMEBOL qualifying standings for the 2026 WC:

• 1 - Argentina
• 2 - Brazil
• 3 - Colombia
• 4 - Uruguay
• 5 - Chile
• 6 - Paraguay
• 7 - Peru
• 8 - Ecuador
• 9 - Venezuela
• 10 - Bolivia

Brazil and Venezuela have played 28 times
Brazil won 24 matches, 3 draws and only 1 victory for Venezuela in a friendly match in 2008.
The odds are all in Brazil's favor, especially playing in Brazil


I'll quote here to make our "bet" officialy hehehe
Let's see at the end of the qualifiers who will have got the most positions right
The good thing is that you already think that Argentina will come out on top.
And to tell you the truth, I really like to see opinions contrary to my own in order to learn more.

Regarding Venezuela, I put it last for a few reasons:
Venezuelan teams didn't do well at all in the South American games
Venezuela finished last in the last two qualifiers
From the two games I saw, against Colombia and Paraguay, I thought they weren't playing very well

But I hope to be surprised, I hope the team can bring joy to the Venezuelan people and qualify for the World Cup
One question: why do you think Colombia will finish ahead of Uruguay?

 On-T:Bolivia #10.

 OP, I think that the analysis expressed by the user is correct, what was said against Bolivia based on the altitude and how we had to face a bet.

It is really essential to know how a team will behave playing at the altitude of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.

But his answer undoubtedly shows that he is involved in the issue, the teams have learned to play against Bolivia in LA PAZ, but he is still the 12th player for the Bolivian team, what happens is that Bolivia cannot put together a Team Work, they are very weak team technically, but if they achieve cohesion they will have problems beating them at home.

In summary: I am sure that Bolivia is going to the bottom of the table, However, they will win a couple of games playing in La Paz, and then they will get some draws, the other teams will not have it as easy as with these first two macht, Arg-Bra, perhaps those classified 1-2 in Conmebol in this long path of qualifications.

Finally, the non-favorite teams to qualify, which are the remaining 7 with the exception of Brazil and Argentina, know that in their points accounts there are at least 4 "safe" points that they must get against Bolivia to be in the fight to 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification.

LOL :D


All of their records that you said could indeed be a reference for your reasons for choosing Venezuela to occupy the last position in the CONMEBOL qualifiers this time, but will things continue to be like that?



As you can see in the images above, those are Leicester City final result during the 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons. it only took 1 season for them to become champions in the EPL and make history at the club. Back to Venezuela, Venezuela is now a different Venezuela and they can even get points from Paraguay. Have you gotten the point I mean here?


There's no specific reason, after looking at the composition of players from Uruguay and Colombia, I concluded that Colombia was better from any side than Uruguay.

Yes, basically it is like that, besides going to Brazil and beating them technically I don't see it as possible, also right now as Brazil has so much potential, they have Ney, they have all the most powerful players in the world there, what is the game with Brazil is something lost, I think that if a sketch is made I could say that a possible tie Venezuela should interpret it as a victory, however I think that when Brazil is away it has been difficult for them, in the match against Peru I saw the match very close for them, I did see that they tried by all means and almost failed, but of course Ney's genius came in his assist and a headed goal was what sealed the Peruvians.

In another order of ideas, as I had already said, it seemed incredible to me what the Argentines did in Bolivia, because it was something that I did not expect, for me things were too much because playing at the height of La Paz is not anything, so it What they did was play as if they were home.

For now, what I like most about this competition is that 5 sureties are going to enter, 7th place is for the playoffs, and normally I could say that the chance for many teams worldwide that enter is great, and that is great, For me, one of the best things that happens is that countries that have never been there, like Venezuela, can enter. For me, those that will permanently enter will be: Brazil, Argentina, Colombia. For me, they are the ones that can enter at once. , as far as I'm concerned he may be one of the main candidates to enter, so things can be seen that way, for me things with the teams can be very changeable, it may be that one of those does not qualify, the ones that do I am 100% sure that if they qualify it will be Brazil and Argentina, otherwise everything is fightable, and many things can happen, so right now Venezuela's most difficult commitment is Brazil, then Chile, because Chile is one of the strongest teams what's up.

Hehe, a good example you posted, but I'm still going to keep my bet on Venezuela in last place.
But as I said, I hope that doesn't happen, I'd even love to see Venezuela take part in the World Cup, or at least play in the play-offs to try and get a place in the World Cup.
Venezuela is going through a very big crisis in the country and that reflects on the local league, which reflects on the national team.


I'm also sticking with my bet on Uruguay ahead of Colombia. From what I've seen, the Uruguayan team is good, with younger players taking the place of Suarez, Cavani and Lugano.
Darwin Nuñez, Piquerez and Valverde are good examples of great players


I also agree that Bolivia will be able to win some games and some points due to the high altitude of La Paz. Maybe the team can focus on getting those points against the "weaker" teams and when they play away from home, try to hold out for a draw, playing defensively.
Given that 6 teams will qualify and 1 more will make the play-offs, it's a real chance for Bolivia

Brazil coach Fernando Diniz has named his squad for the third and fourth qualifying rounds
Brazil will play against Venezuela and Uruguay on October 12 and 17
The game against Uruguay will be very good to see the level of the Brazilian team, which has so far played against weaker opponents

Goalkeepers
Alisson (Liverpool)
Ederson (Manchester City)
Lucas (Botafogo)

Sides
Danilo (Juventus)
Vanderson (Monaco)
Caio Henrique (Monaco)Injured ---> Guilherme Arana (Atlético MG)
Renan Lodi (Marselha)

Defenders
Marquinhos (PSG)
Bremer (Juventus)
Gabriel Magalhães (Arsenal)
Nino (Fluminense)

Midfielders
André (Fluminense)
Casemiro (Manchester United)
Bruno Guimarães (Newcastle)
Gerson (Flamengo)
Raphael Veiga (Palmeiras)

Strikers
Neymar (Al-Hilal)
Rodrygo (Real Madrid)
Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid)
Gabriel Jesus (Arsenal)
Richarlison (Tottenham)
Raphinha (Barcelona)
Matheus Cunha (Wolverhampton)

Source (https://ge.globo.com/futebol/selecao-brasileira/noticia/2023/09/23/convocados-da-selecao-veja-a-segunda-lista-de-fernando-diniz.ghtml)

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What do you think, is there any player who deserved to be on the list, but it's not?
The match against Uruguay could be a good chance to bet, as the odds may be more balanced due to the fact that Uruguay will play at home

This match will be quite difficult for Brazil. Brazil currently has quite a great striker but unfortunately the players currently called up lack a midfielder who can set the tempo of the game and build forward attacks. Casemiro can be relied on but I don't really know the other midfielders. Currently Brazil is in first place in the Qualifications. But instead of discussing the match against Uruguay, it's better if we watch their match against Venezuela first.

Venezuela should be absolutely no match for Brazil and also Uruguay.I don't know that well Venezuela as I have not seen them playing in real competitions from a really loooooooooong time like the World Cup and I am basing my opinion on their results which point out to a very easy win for Brazil.

For Uruguay I know them quite a lot and I was not impressed at all in this last World Cup held in Qatar in November 2022,a team without burning passion or desire to do well,they could not even beat South Korea in the group stages and as far as I know they were eliminated early,that makes them an easy target for Brazil also.

Even though Uruguay aren't in their best shape, historically they've always been a tough opponent for Brazil.
I don't know if you will watch the match, but pay attention to Andre from Fluminense, he's a good midfielder (Liverpool are very interested in the player)



As I said above, I think Brazil will beat Uruguay.
Venezuela unfortunately don't have a good team and shouldn't be able to resist Brazil
I also agree with you that there seems to be a lack of passion in Uruguayan soccer, since we've seen the team play many competitions at a high level, and in the most recent past, they had a great World Cup in 2018, finishing 5th
Unfortunately, the players who really stood out are almost retired (Suarez and Cavani)

In 3 days we will have games, I'm still thinking about which games I'm going to bet on, but so far I'm looking at these games for a possible multi bet:

Argentina - Paraguay

For this game, Argentina arrives as the big favorite, and it makes perfect sense since they have a better squad compared to their opponent, they have two wins so far and have not had any defeats, they have scored 4 goals in two games and have not conceded any goal in the two games they have played so far, Messi is already cured of the injury, I saw him playing for his US team, the other good Argentine players such as Lautara are also doing well, so on the side of the Argentina squad Argentina is fine. I still don't know anything about Paraguay's squad, but looking at Paraguay's performance, which in 2 games, they had 1 defeat, 1 draw and didn't score a goal in the two games they played, then I see that their attacking power is non-existent , but they have only conceded 1 goal in the last 2 games

Still, it's not right for me to say that they have a good defense because they only played against weak teams like Peru and Venezuela, so I see that in this game Argentina have a better chance of winning the game. but strange that the bookmakers are giving odds of 1.27 if Argentina wins, I expected to see an odds lower than 1.27. That's why I want to take advantage of this chance and make a multibet bet with Argentina included

Brazil - Venezuela

For this game, Brazil also arrives as the favorite, and with the great quality of Brazil's squad, this favoritism makes perfect sense, in the 2 games that Brazil played they scored 6 goals and conceded only 1 goal, showing that they have good attack and good defense. but in the last game against peru, they didn't have viniciu junior, so the team's performance, despite being acceptable on the field, still had an offensive efficiency, and it was even a defender who scored a goal that gave Brazil victory, I believe that this scenario will be different this time with Vinicius Junior on the field. I see Brazil coming out victorious in this game

If you place a multiple bet on the two victories, the odds are only 1.35 (although the chances of Argentina and Brazil winning are enormous).
It's not my style of betting, but it might be worth placing a goals bet

I've done a simulation here and a multiple bet with Argentina winning + Brazil over 2.5 goals, gives 1.82 odds, which is quite an improvement.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/12/RNzab.png

The Argentina match has a chance of not scoring many goals, as Paraguay defend well, but the Brazil match has a high chance of scoring more than 2.5 goals, especially as Brazil are playing at home, with a great attack and coach Fernando Diniz likes to play a lot in attack

Why was Lionel Messi not included in the starting XI? He was called up only in the 53rd minute, as a substitute for Julián Álvarez. I believe that the message from Argentina management is quite clear. Messi is no longer an irreplaceable player, that he used to be. For them, the combination of Álvarez-Martínez-González is working pretty well. Still, I expected a bit more from Argentina during yesterday's match. They won with a margin of 1-0, and that too against one of the weakest teams form the CONMEBOL confederation.

The team led by Lionel Scaloni who had a reason for not starting Lionel Messi. It's okay to give Messi limited playtime after his recent injury. The other combinations in the team are working well too. The most important thing is that Argentina won! Nicolas Otamendi scored the only goal, and the World champions have now won three out of three matches. It was a bit unfortunate that they only scored one goal. Leo Messi hit the post twice, and De Paul once. Overall, it was a very solid performance by everyone!

When I made my multibet bet and placed Brazil, even though I saw that the odds were 1.09, I thought it wouldn't affect anything, but then I remembered how Brazil has become a shitty team since the world cup, so I decided to cancel my bet and change my comment about them after their game ended, but it was already too late to cancel my bet, Brazil's time zone with my country is very complicated and the game ended at a time when I went to sleep, when I woke up to go cancel my bet, I saw that they had already played and unfortunately for me, they drew and with that I also lost my multibet bet. Looking at the game itself, it clearly showed the inefficiency of Brazil's attackers

It's funny that Brazil put pressure on Venezuela's defense many more times, but couldn't score a goal, it was as if Brazil were playing a friendly game, it didn't even seem like they were taking it seriously. while the few times Venezuela created danger, they managed to score a goal. In my opinion, this Brazilian team with this current coach, they won't win anything big, they will hardly be able to become world cup champions with a mediocre performance like that. Even though I bet on Brazil to win and lost my bet, I congratulate Venezuela on the draw, they deserved to win this game because they were playing seriously, unfortunately Venezuela has a shitty government, that's why they don't grow

I don't know the exact reason for Messi not starting the game, it could be that the coach wants to start finding options without Messi, since the game was supposed to be relatively easy
In more difficult games, the coach has to rely on Messi in the starting line-up


It's a good explanation, that could be the reason too


I don't think anyone expected this result. For Venezuela it was historic. Brazil are not in a good phase, and recently the starting striker, Richarlison, has been in a very bad shape, and is already psychologically affected by not being able to score goals for the national team
Neymar was booed a lot yesterday, and rightly so

I even lost my bet on the Brazil game yesterday, I had bet on Brazil winning with goals under 3.5
I'm happy for Venezuela too, as the country is in a lot of trouble.
But a team with the players that Brazil has, it's very hard to see them playing so badly and not being able to score goals.

Actually I can say that Brazil has a pretty bad squad at the moment. In the past, Brazil was the favorite to win either the World Cup or Conmebol. But currently, maybe Brazil is still quite strong in South America, but believe me, they are no longer the favorites to win the 2026 World Cup. Seriously, Brazilian football is very bad. I admit they will not run out of unique and talented talents but I am also confused about what problems they have that they perform quite poorly for Brazil's level.

I really like the fact that CONMEBOL preferring league format in South America instead of unfair group structure in UEFA. Even if there are much less teams that make it more viable/easy to apply league format I think uefa could try it as well (uefa nations league is a joke). I am not expecting big surprise here with Peru and Bolivia here as they are always weakest links in south America. Although Ecuador has rather better squad and can go directly to World cup.

Yes, currently Brazil's performance is very poor, if their performance continues, they will not be able to get a good place in the World Cup. Brazil has had many experienced players in the past who have strengthened their team a lot and brought their team to a good level. But currently this Brazil is so weak that they are drawing matches against many weaker teams. Brazil scored only one goal in the second half when the World Cup qualifying match between Brazil and Venezuela was held that day. After not being able to score any more goals, Venezuela counter-attacked to equalize 1-1. After that the match was a draw as no more goals were scored. From here it can be estimated how weak Brazil has become. If Brazil's performance does not improve, Brazil will not be able to stand strong in the future.

Format qualifier with CONMEBOL zone difference not only with UEFA but also Asian, there are not separated in several group stage with CONMEBOL zone although they have ten national teams participants who will qualify to FIFA World Cup with 6 national team automatically play in World Cup and 7th standings position will get play-off with other continent national teams. Comparison with how many national teams in CONMEBOL zone is not fair with Asian have many national teams but have little slot for qualifying in FIFA World Cup 2026. Not really excited with CONMEBOL round qualifier because finish on 6th standings position has the same valuable with finish on 1st standing who will get the same position qualify to World Cup, maybe FIFA or CONMEBOL confederation should change format of qualifier round to make it more excited.

You simply cannot compare the quality of Asian teams with that of South American teams which have quite some World Cup trophies collected while Asian teams have none.Based on this simple fact it is only natural that most slots will be reserved for the South American teams and fewer slots will be reserved for the Asian teams.

This can change of course with the time passing and Asian teams performing better than South American ones but before such thing happens nothing will change with the format for the World Cup qualifiers.

In Brazil it's common to have excellent players but a team that isn't very united and the result is what we see, with irregular games most of the time
Brazil is still very dependent on Neymar and that's a problem when he doesn't play well or is injured


The format of the South American qualifiers is very fair indeed, 2 matches against each team, 1 at home, 1 away, the bests qualify, no difficult or unfair groups


To be fair to Brazil, it's only the beginning of Fernando Diniz's work, but it's still pretty confusing, as Ancelotti is expected to be coach for next season
This could cost Brazil a higher price as they won't be able to have a good preparation time

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These are today's matches
In bold my favorites to win

Venezuela x Chile
Paraguay x Bolivia
Ecuador x Colombia
Uruguay x Brazil
Peru x Argentina

Uruguay, who earned a critical point against Colombia, will not have any new absentees due to injury or suspension, while Cristian and Mathias Olivera are expected to return to the starting eleven. While Brazil's unexpected point loss against Venezuela brought criticism, the uncertainty of Casemiro's condition after he left the game with an injury and Gerson may get a chance to play. In addition, Couta may find time at full back in place of Danilo, who is out of the national team camp due to injury. We know that Uruguay always plays differently in the Centenario but Brazil is a team with a higher skill level when Rodrygo, Neymar and Vinicius are on the pitch. My favorite is Brazil and i am sure we'll see more than one goal.

In a few hours the games will start. Currently, Venezuela, which is playing against Chile, is winning. Venezuela's performance in the last few games has been quite incredible, they had a victory and an important draw because it was achieved in the game against Brazil, and if Venezuela comes away with victory in this game then they will be doing well in terms of points. Now Chile cannot be underestimated either, it will probably be a game in which Venezuela will have to work hard in defense, because the risk of a draw is very high. In any case, may the best team win.

Brazil will play against Uruguay, based on odds, it appears that despite Brazil having a team made up of players who currently play for the best teams in the world, Brazil's performance is inconsistent for the good level of the players they have. They were supposed to at least be able to beat certain opponents easily, but while on paper they are strong, on the field they are weak. It's funny that they play well to the point of putting pressure on their opponents, but they spend a lot of time wasting the many opportunities they have to score a goal and when the opponent has few opportunities, they score a goal.

in the case of this game between Brazil and Uruguay. brazil is lucky because urugay's performance wasn't good in the last 2 games, but because of the past record that urugay is a good team and because brazil's performance in the last 2 games wasn't good, then i wouldn't be surprised if To see another draw in this game, Brazil does not inspire confidence. I'm glad I'm not going to bet on them anymore, after I bet on them in a game with odds of 1.09 and they tied, I started not betting on them anymore

Argentina will play against Peru, which in the last 3 games has not managed to win any game, I see Argentina coming out victorious in this game and they could increase the advantage they have in the table if Brazil loses or draws, but it is strange that even though Peru is in a very bad situation and Argentina with an acceptable performance, even so the odds for Argentina to win are at 1.39, perhaps when they announce the squad that will play the odds value will decrease a lot

What happened to Brazil?   ??? :o
I'm still trying to figure it out hehehe
Can we officially declare the Brazilian national team in crisis?
What do you think of this situation? Can you find a culprit?

This round was very interesting

• Brazil lost
• Messi played another excelent game
• Venezuela got a win and are starting to believe that qualification for the World Cup is possible
• Argentina and Colombia are the only ones who haven't lost so far
  

and of course, I lost 2 bets in this round  :P

I wouldn't say Brazil is in crisis, and I cannot pick out any player to a portion blame for the defeat, it was a team's performance and Uruguay was the better side. Every record at some point is going to be broken and their 37 matches unbeaten run in the CONMEBOL qualifiers since 2015 has come to an end. Though, the game was one of their worst performance as they failed to register a shot on target but there's still 14 more matches to be played. I think they can turn things around and make the cut for the 2026 Fifa world cup as they have never fail to qualify for the Fifa world cup since inception.

I couldn't be more proud of Venezuela, they really did very well, it's incredible how they can play at that level, they didn't believe it before, at one point in the BRAZIL game I thought they were going to beat Venezuela At least 5 gfoles were going to put them in, because Brazil beat Bolivia in La Paz (Bolivia where the altitude is impressive and there is a lack of oxygen) and they were able to beat them there, then in Brazil and while at home, well it's something I thought it was almost impossible, but getting a draw in Brazil is considered here as a win, a victory, after that performance they make people have a lot of faith and that same faith was what made them win against Chile, so that's what we We must see, first of all, Venezuela's performance is impressive. Chile has never been beaten like this in the playoffs, because Chile is a very strong country in soccer, so we know that Venezuela did this, because the only rival that looks stronger of everything and that they have come out undefeated, it is Argentina, and that because of the way Messi is playing, it is imporinoanste what the Argentinian has done.

All this is the Exciting thing about the playoffs,  now looking at the sense of things, it seems very strange to me how Brazil has been because Brazil is a team that now has Neymar injured and that is a tolerable loss, he will not be able to be in the elimnatiroias for the November date and basically things when it comes to Basil are strong, because they lost in Uruguay and they have not been able to match Argentina, and I don't understand it well, Brazil has Vinicius, it has Rodrygo, it has many players that they can make a difference and that is something that can be established as something that can practically make a difference, as far as I am concerned I think that things when they are about how to do so that they can equalize them, well it has to be done in the next few Dates , Brazil is not Playing well, I dare say that the technical team is to blame.

In fact, the current situation is not at all pleasant for Brazilians who follow the Brazilian football team.
With this defeat to Uruguay, Brazil lost its unbeaten run of 37 matches in World Cup qualifiers.
Worse than that, I'm worried about the injury to Neymar, our main player, who if it's really serious with his knee, he could be unable to play for up to 6 months.

But... Brazil still occupies third place on the leaderboard and I don't believe that its classification for the World Cup is at risk.
Brazil urgently needs to define whether Ancelotti will come as coach or whether we will continue with Fernando Diniz, the team needs a technical definition for the direction of the selection.

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The short answer, that is why it is the confederation that grants the most places vs the number of national teams that play in it.

Now, that surprise loses strength when you see that the team is Venezuela, because the possible "surprise" candidates to beat Brazil are any of the other 8 teams except Venezuela and Bolivia, but then given what happened with Chile, another great always Conmebol, it's simple, it wasn't even "Luck".

The matches in Conmebol for World Cup qualification are always somewhat unpredictable, I think many of us lost money in these match.

I would be very confident to say most of people who betted on the Venezuela v Brazil match and the Chile v Venezuela match end up losing money. Because, historically the Venezuelan football team has been showed little disciple and small chances when going against more experienced teams like Brazil and Argentina.

I was myself considering whether I should have betted on those matches, but in the end I decided not to, because I was not sure on where to put my money. Still I am happy to see our national team scoring some points and getting closer to the World Cup, it is still very early to celebrate, obviously, there is a long path ahead before we can stand up proud of this new generator of players.
Brazil and Chile could have understimated us during those matches, but they will certainly not do so in the future.

Qualification is certainly not in risk, especially as this time there will be six teams qualified, Brazil will certainly be in the top three, but I also think that the national team needs to define the coach urgently, practically all the other teams already have their coaches well defined and are already working for the World Cup, Brazil will be behind in this regard



You can be absolutely sure that a lot of people lost their bets, and those who bet against Brazil won a LOT of money because they were paying very well
I didn't get good results, I lost my bets in this round, but for the next round I'm confident I'll be able to recover my bankroll

For the spectators, the championship is going to be very cool to watch, it's very good when the favorites don't win and different teams get good results, this is good for soccer in general, including for the teams to get more strength and experience to arrive better at the 2026 World Cup

Guys, just to remember, in 2 days there's one more round of qualifying

The matches are:

Bolivia x Peru
Venezuela x Ecuador
Colombia x Brazil
Argentina x Uruguay
Chile x Paraguay

what are your thoughts?
In bold I put my favorites, but after the last 2 rounds of Brazil matches I'm in doubt and the teams can surprise us again, specially Venezuela

I think your correct answers will be under 2.5. :)

The only one that I see clearly is the victory of Argentina, that's how I've played it everywhere, even in the BSFL (I think so, lol), by the way Luis Suarez returns.

The other matches have a reserved forecast. In any case, the reality is that we already have the first Brazil Vs Argentina, everyone is invited. Yes, I'm getting ahead of myself, but it's one of those classic confrontations that transcend.

Argentina win is paying 1.61, clearly the favorite in bookmakers, but I'm not 100% sure because it's Uruguay, and they know how to play against Argentina
Brazil x Colombia - 2.29 of odds to Brazil, I think I'm going to place this bet, too good in my opinion and Brazil is the favorite here, even playing outside and even with all the problems
Chile victory is paying 1.87 against Paraguay, another good oportunity

Maybe I can put a bet in Brazil and another multiple in Argentina and Chile wins (this one will pay 3.01)

Wow, the results of the games in this round were results that left me very surprised.

Colombia 2 - 1 Brazil

Before the game started, Brazil was seen as the favorite, mainly because they were coming off a defeat and needed a victory, so with the squad that Brazil has, it was at least expected that they would be able to play a little well and come out with a result. acceptable, something like a draw. During the game, Brazil was dominating the game, but with attacks that did not cause much danger to Colombia's defense, while Colombia, on the few occasions when they caused danger to Brazil's defense, they managed to score 2 goals and won the game. Well, in my opinion, Brazil needs to start thinking about hiring foreign coaches. their team is at a very low level of performance and great things are not expected from them currently

argentina 0 - 2 uruguay

well, this was another game that had a result that left me very surprised, but in this case of Argentina this defeat did not affect their position in the table much, they are still leaders in the table with 12 points and in second place is Uruguay with 10 points. Argentina's next game will be against Brazil, a defeat for Argentina could take them off the top of the table, but given Brazil's poor performance and I saw that Vinicius Jr. he was injured during Brazil's game against Colombia, I don't know if he will be cured to the point of playing against Argentina, but I see Argentina with a good chance of winning this game

Like I said above "I'm not 100% sure because it's Uruguay, and they know how to play against Argentina"

But in any case, both results were surprising
Argentina is still in first place and lost to a team that is the top 3 in South America, but Brazil lost in qualifying for the first time in its history to Colombia.

I don't know exactly what's going on with the Brazilian team. There's no shortage of good players, the coach is excellent, after all he won the Copa Libertadores last week, he's made some good selections...
There's still something missing from the Brazilian team. Maybe it's the indecision with coach Ancelotti, maybe it's the team's dependence on Neymar...

The next game will be even more difficult against Argentina, and could put Brazil in a very bad position in the table

Yep crazy results, I wonder how many gamblers in this world are lost on Brazil and Argentina last night.
Well I have a little doubt with Argentina, I was thinking maybe draw is possible but lost 0 - 2 is beyond my wildest imagination on that match.

A friend of mine bet on Argen and Brazil with a decent bet amount, he said it will be impossible for both teams will be lose, so its a safe bets.
When Brazil leading 1 - 0 he placed another bet on it, same with Argen when lose 0-1 .. he bet on Argentina again.

I am skipping betting on this qualifications, because there is really a lot positions that qualify from this group
and one can expect many surprises, because even with four/five loses Argentina and Brasil will surely qualify

so either you chase surprises, or it is better to skip betting on ML here, maybe putting goals could be an opportunity, but not sure about it
all in all, Colombia and Uruguay will qualify side-by-side with Argentina and Brasil, and there is more spots available

You can include me on that list  :D


He lost both bets, just like me. Sometimes soccer can surprise us
Never in history Colombia win against Brazil in Qualifiers, so, easy bet right?


Yes, there's 6 direct sport to the World Cup + 1 spot to another qualify
I'm sure Brazil and Argentina will qualify, but the championship just become more interest because both teams will need to fight more to be the 1st, and in the case of Brazil, they need to be at least in second place, otherwise people will start to get mad at the team
The next match between Brazil and Argentina promises to be awesome, both teams have lost their last matches, are eternal rivals, playing in a crowded Maracanã, and will be the last match of 2023  8) 8) 8)

It's been many years since the Brazilian national team has been declining and in my opinion the problem in Brazil's highest football body is that it insists on continuing to employ coaches who are Brazilian even though they haven't shown any trophies they have won with any other main team, This gets to be very funny. It seems that Brazil's football directors just sit in their offices and have no idea of the development of the world today. the players called up to play in Brazil's main team, most of them are players who play outside of Brazil, see that Brazil reached such a regrettable level of calling up Neymar who wasn't playing often because he was coming off an injury and Al's coach - Hilal even said in the press that he found it very strange to see Neymar called up when he saw Neymar injured

This fact happened at the beginning of Neymar's transfer to Al - Hilal, and when we look at the Brazilian team we see that they have players who score goals, when we look at other Brazilian players who play abroad, we see that they have good players. Take the case of Anderson Talisca who plays for Al - Nassr, the guy is a good scorer and is a Brazilian citizen, but they prefer to call up the injured Neymar, who wasn't even playing and they don't call up Anderson Talisca who has been playing and scoring goals constantly.

Is it possible that all Brazilian coaches who become coaches of the main team think the same way to the point of only calling up a small group of certain players every time? It seems to me that this Brazilian team is a lost cause, they won't win the World Cup anytime soon, maybe the day there are changes in management and they hire a foreign coach with the power to call up players he wants, then we'll see Brazil winning the World Cup of the world

^re Brazil, I personally thought they really impressed in the last campaign. I watched it with my son (his first proper WC) and my partner who never really saw them and the gukf in quality, they, as people who don't watch football, said they were impressed. And I think for good reason.

Now, I won't disagree Tito took them through some bewildering moments and while Firmino is my fav Brazilian, and did his part en route to the last campaign, him spearheading Brazil was a sign of the times.

I completely agree with you, Brazil has this weird identity that England also has in league football (in general). Limiting their coaches to origin rather than selecting on philosophy.

P.S. Don't know how I missed this gem of a thread, familiar faces in here. Too bad late to the party.

Tomorrow we will have 5 games.

Paraguay - Colombia

This will be the first game tomorrow, and a game that has good odds, we are talking about odds of 3.45 if Paraguay wins and 2.24 if Colombia wins, when we look at the performance of these two teams in the last 5 games, in my opinion opinion Colombia did better, in the last 5 games Colombia did not lose in any game, even beating Brazil in their last game, in a game in which Colombia managed to score 2 goals and only conceded 1 goal. colombia is a team that has a deficient attack, despite having a good striker like luiz diaz, but luis diaz alone will not make the team win every game, so the other strikers need to commit more . Paraguay's situation is not good, they have been doing poorly in the last 5 games, they have not been able to score goals, we just need to see that in the last 4 games they have only scored 1 goal, but they have been doing well in defense, in the last 6 games only conceded 3 goals. In my opinion this is one of those games where a draw is most likely to happen. I also don't expect him to have more than 3 goals. probably at most we will see 2 goals, which is why betting on Draw No Bet colombia with odds of @1.53 seems like a good choice.

Uruguay - Bolivia

This is a game in which Uruguay comes as the favorite, they have only had 1 defeat in the last 5 games, they have had 4 consecutive victories, and in the last two games Uruguay played against Brazil and won, in a game in which they scored 2 goals and didn't concede any goals, then Uruguay played against Argentina and won, in a game in which they also scored 2 goals and didn't concede any goals. playing against 2 big teams and beating both big teams without conceding a goal, is a great achievement. while the performance of their opponent in tomorrow's game is very poor, in the last 5 games they have won in just 1 game, and it is a team with terrible defense, and when they played against Brazil they conceded 5 goals, against Argentina they conceded 3 goals, what if you can predict an easy victory for Uruguay with 2 or more goals

Brazil - Argentina

This will probably be the game in which all attention will be on him, on Brazil's side I don't expect the coach to bring in any new players, I believe he will call up the same players he has been calling up, the injured players will not be called up and on Argentina's side I also hope to see the same scenario, and it is very difficult to understand what is going on in the heads of the coaches of these two countries, in my last post that I made in this thread I spoke about Brazil, so I don't need to repeat myself, in this one I will talk about Argentina, and it is true that they They won the World Cup, but I feel like they don't give space to other players, for example in the case of Dybala, he is called up but doesn't play, even when the team is winning and there are just a few minutes left, the coach still doesn't play him. Looking at what I expect in this game, despite the bookmakers placing Brazil as the favorite, I see Argentina getting a draw or victory if Di Maria and Lautaro Martinez are in the starting 11, but I have doubts that this will happen. The Argentine coach has many good players, but it seems to me that he prefers players who are on big teams, Messi is a case in which he makes an exception

Many Brazilian fans no longer support Neymar in the national team, and as for the coach, there's a good chance that Ancelotti (Real Madrid) will take over for the Copa America.
Maybe the problems you mentioned will be solved with a foreign coach. Not just because he's not Brazilian, but because he has a different way of managing the team, and of course because of his absurd experience in soccer, knowing practically every European player. There's hope for Brazil, but I know it's hard


Welcome my friend, it's not late since this thread will be active until the last game of qualifying  :D
As I said above, there's hope for brazilian team with Ancelotti, I think there's a lot to do in the team and a different approach can help
Brazilian coaches are not bad, we have awesome ones like Felipão, Luxemburgo, Tite etc, but a foreigner coach can help brazilian team to play against european squads, maybe it's time to change some things, some players and the way of play


Good analysis, I almost agree with everything, I'd just add that in the Brazil vs Argentina game I think the reality is 33% chance of each result hehehe, it's a balanced and unpredictable game

In addition to the games you mentioned, we also have

Ecuador vs Chile
Peru vs Venezuela

I think Ecuador and Peru are favorites in their games

6th round matches are complete and now everyone will forget about the CONMEBOL qualifiers for another 10-12 months. The reason is that 7th round is scheduled for September 2024. There are no matches in between. I don't understand the scheduling of the qualifier tournament. Why there is so much of a gap? This will only result in fans losing their interest in the matches. All the 10 participating nations will be playing on the 7th match day (even the date is not finalized of yet). As of now, three teams - Chile, Bolivia and Peru are at the bottom of the points table. They will be trying to improve their position.

Brazil 0 - 1 Argentina

This game was already predictable that there would be a lot of disagreements between the Argentines and the Brazilians, especially if it had to be held in a scenario where in Argentina the winner of the elections would be the guy who doesn't like the president of Brazil, and that same guy won the elections in Argentina causing relations between these two countries to become dire and this will further influence the way Argentines will look at the Brazilians when these two teams play, the things we saw in that game are very regrettable, and a very reprehensible on the part of anyone who is promoting violence. It seemed to me that the police or the security guards who were at that stadium were exaggerating by attacking the Argentine fans, which is why the Argentine goalkeeper intervened so that they could stop that type of hostile treatment against the Argentine fans and unfortunately were injured in the confrontation

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/22/FBQ9f.png

source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz7nICnxIi1/

When we pay attention to this video we can see that the Argentinian fans did not have weapons, they had nothing in their hands that would cause any physical harm to other people, so nothing justifies that action by the Brazilian police, it seems to me that the Brazilian police brazil were driven by feelings of hatred against argentina fans, they forgot that those people were unarmed and that they could solve any problem that those fans caused in another way, this type of photo:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/22/FBQ9f.png

source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz7jP1KRzTR/?img_index=1

I had already commented in this thread that both teams would not bring anything new in terms of squad, so the result itself was already expected that Argentina would win, I honestly cannot understand why the hell the bookmakers would be giving Brazil as the favorite, I suspect It was just a fact that Brazil played at home at Maracanã, as historically Brazil had not lost at home in World Cup qualifying games, so this led bookmakers to think that even with Brazil's poor performance, they managed leaving this game with a good result, but at the end of the game the result was Brazil's defeat.

Looking at what happened during the game, in my opinion it was a game in which on the field there was a lot of aggression on the part of the Argentine players against the Brazilian players, it seemed to me that the Argentine players were overcome with anger, probably because they saw the police of Brazil attacking Argentine fans, and the referee played a less strict role when fouls were committed by Argentine players but was severe when fouls were committed by Brazilian players. I saw no reason to give the Brazilian player a red card. Anyway, the game ended with Argentina's victory, it's been a while since I've seen Brazil defeat Argentina

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Honestly, I highly doubt that Ancelotti will be Brazil's coach when his contract with real madrid ends, he would tarnish his image if he accepts this job. I have this opinion because Brazil's problem is in the maximum direction of football and I highly doubt that Ancelotti will be able to put Brazilian players in the main team instead of calling the same players as always and when he continues bringing the same players as always they will lose and his reputation will be tarnished, I think it would be more prudent for him to only accept the position if he sees major changes in the maximum direction of Brazilian football

About the odds, on stake.com Brazil was at @2.40 while Argentina was at @2.80, it's not a big difference, but Brazil was still seen as the favorite. Ecuador won, while Peru draw, Venezuela is doing well in the last few games, now they have 5 games without losing, if they improved in attack then they could be in a good position in the table

The reason is because of the Copa America 2024, which will be held between June 20 and July 14 (I think the Eurocup will also be held during this period)
The Copa America will be held in the United States


Yesterday was a day for Brazilians to learn two lessons, both from the fight inside the stadium and from the soccer
The CBF made big mistakes in yesterday's game, they should have separated brazilians and argentinians, because they know what a great rivalry there is, it's a shame for brazil

As for the soccer, Brazil played very badly, deserved to lose and there's not much to comment on, it doesn't even look like the Brazil of old times, it's probably the worst qualify of Brazil


I'll try to find the source, but I saw last week that Ancelotti will be the coach of Brazil in Copa America next year, I think it's possible @Slow death

Agent of Chaos strikes again! Just hope he brings this form to Citeh. Weird to see Brazil sitting in that last spot isn't it? Plenty of time to cement that? Or could they... do the unthinkable and slip out?


Been seeing the same mention twice at least, ESPN for sure brought it up, can't remember where I read it elsewhere. I can't see it at all really, but won't pretend to understand that part of Selecao...

Seeing how Brazil played yesterday, I felt like they are have lost it. They are in somewhat of a mess. But not at crisis levels yet. That style we used to know them for isn’t there anymore. Brazil have also lost that extra flair because a sizable amount of their players have been indoctrinated into the European style. They're not far ahead of everyone talent wise as it was the case before. Also, European teams are tactically better & fitter.

For me, the choice of manager isn't much more serene. The issue of the interim manager has played its part in their current predicament. Dismissing Tito and bringing in a caretaker which hasn’t been doing the right thing. He has now lost three of his six games in charge after this Argentina humbling.
If anyone can provide it then Ancelotti will give it a good go. Otherwise, Brazilian football certainly will be in crisis. If ancheloti takes over, things might be different, maybe there's why they signed him.....to bring the European style to them since all their players have the European style in them.

And it only seems to get worse, doesn't it? Have to say to take the last game out of the equation somewhat, with the preceding situation and all that. Didn;t watch but reports agree the flank loading and speed just didn't work out -- curious if Ance gets there and if he does, how he might steady that ship.

On the other hand, I'm really excited by Uruguay =) See you guys in... almost a year? Haha

I think Ancelotti is very respectful of Real Madrid and doesn't want to lose focus of his work because it will generate a lot of questions, so he should really deny any news for the time being


Maybe you're right
I don't think Brazil's only solution is a foreign coach, because there are good Brazilian coaches who could lead the national team. The lack of definition is even worse because there won't be a proper sequence of work, and the current coach is working in Fluminense and the national team, without total focus
But I think Ancelotti or even another foreigner would be good to deal with the players who mostly play in Europe and would certainly add a lot of experience to the group