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Title: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Riginac111 on September 10, 2023, 10:01:17 AM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Cantsay on September 10, 2023, 10:49:22 AM
The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: hugeblack on September 10, 2023, 11:11:40 AM
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Riginac111 on September 10, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them
We all know that they fabricate the story, but yet more people will continue to do same, but at least if they can provide evidence to all those stories it would have be better than making a generic stories. If I'm the one who can be moved with this kind of stories I will not have sympathy on them because all the information is fake and is worth to emulate. I know that everyone has right to exercise it opinion but some opinion is suppose to be informative not giving a fiction. I will not like the situation where by the will be ban because of those kind of stories but let the thread should locked or trashed by the mod, i think that should be nice than banning


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Kemarit on September 10, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

I guess members here can distinguish fact from fiction from totally trolling. And specially stories that came from newbies and too good to be true story?
For sure the members are going to ask him a lot of question to that point that we can say that he is just making up stories to get some merits.
So if you find new threads here, then you can ask the OP itself and if he didn't come back to answer then simply ignore him/her.
And then there are newbies who simply shill for certain projects and it's going to be obvious as well.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Sim_card on September 10, 2023, 11:35:07 AM
This is another method of merit fishing by fabricating stories and present it to the forum as if it was real. This is the reason why pictures are needed to back up your claims. They don't know that those stories wouldn't give them merits but instead it will make forum members to see them as dishonest people and might even lead to putting them on ignore. It is better in improve yourself my learning and your own research so to grow in the forum rather cooking up lies because for how long will you cook up lies that will make you grow in the forum and improve yourself.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: franky1 on September 10, 2023, 12:10:27 PM
its not merit fishing. many liars i have came across do so to pin bitcoin as a not fit for purpose network so they can advertise some other crap system involving middle men getting paid to perform payments for others of some insecured tokenised version of 'bitcoin'. mostly scams and systems that have exploits.

these liars are doing it for personal greed.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: NeuroticFish on September 10, 2023, 12:18:29 PM
It depends a lot on the topic.
Some are wrong because they were misled or have been believing others' lies.
Some have their own agenda.
Some want to see how many people they can fool/want to feel smart by insulting our intelligence.
And yes, some are merit fishing.

Probably I've even missed some categories.

OP, keep in mind that the forum is like in real life: not everyone deserves your time. Use the ignore feature well.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: abel1337 on September 10, 2023, 12:25:17 PM
The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.
I'm also thinking with the same reason. This kind of post typhically get atleast one merit if the story is real good even if it's obviously fictional. I don't hate this kind of things or iritates me, sometimes it's quite entrtaining to read some newbie stories. There are just stories that are quite repetitive which makes it boring and makes us think it's a made up story.

Should we demand for proofs of their story or atleast demand a disclaimer that it's a fictional story that they want to portray?


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: 3kpk3 on September 10, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
Which world are you living in op? Liars are everywhere and they usually do whatever it takes to survive in this world. Some of them lie for merit while some others lie for an ego boost.

Easiest way to tell whether anyone is lying about their story or not is by checking their post history carefully.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 10, 2023, 12:33:11 PM
It is useful for all storytellers to know that if you are creating a profile of a successful person who has his own business, which is paid in Bitcoins, or any achievements that could be boasted here, you should not deviate from your role. We are all on the Internet, and everyone can, if he suddenly wants, introduce himself as anyone. But at the same time, how often are newcomers here disgraced, declaring today a cool business, although yesterday he wrote that he doesn’t know a damn thing about Bitcoin?
Not only does the Internet remember everything, but the forum is also very good at archiving posts, and sometimes the travel story of a storyteller on the forum goes beyond all boundaries of lies, which ultimately affects the user’s reputation.
You shouldn’t treat those present here as people who don’t know how to read; vivid stories are remembered, and then, most often, you want to know more about the writer.
Therefore, if you want to play a fairy-tale millionaire, match it with both knowledge and posts.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on September 10, 2023, 12:36:50 PM
Unfortunately, I have to agree with op, there are indeed several stories people share on this forum generally, not just on this Bitcoin discussion board, that are nothing but pure fiction, many have done this for several years using it to amass a lot of merits for themselves, and personally, I think merit fishing is the sole purpose why most of those who created fake stories do so here..

There was a time when a day won't pass without seeing a thread of someone claiming to be teaching people about Bitcoin either in school or some other places, and such thread do amass a lot of merits for the creator of the thread, though small percentage of this stories were indeed true, but most of it were lies and nothing but lies , but then, what can we really do?, if you try to ask the creator of such thread to post evidence, it will look as if you are envious of him or her and a hate, so the best one can do is to either just ignore, or put up a comment acting like you believe the op and in support of what ever him or her claim to be doing..

Anyways, I am not surprised, on a forum like this where the higher your rank, the more you are open to several monetary opportunities, rest assured many will do what ever it takes them to rank up, even if it means cheating, posting fake stories every day, as long as someone believe them and merit the post.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: fuguebtc on September 10, 2023, 12:37:25 PM
In addition to being a hub for exchanging knowledge and discussing topics like cryptocurrency and economics. Besides, the forum also has the function of making money and many people are doing everything they can to gain people's trust and take "merit" to serve their money-making work. Therefore, you should not be surprised when there are many people who flatter or write novels to please certain people to achieve their goals. Much like a microcosm of society, the forum houses factions and groups engaged in fierce competition and battles, each striving for personal victory. You should get used to everything if you want to survive here.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Riginac111 on September 10, 2023, 12:41:28 PM
these liars are doing it for personal greed.
Even though liars are being doing it for personal greediness that does not mean that they make any other person to emulate them, what we should be learning in the forum is something that is meaning and something that will educate us also, maybe so people have gotten the reason some people can lie, me giving false information to fish a merit is inappropriate and it will not benefits me anything because is it's not real, maybe since forum accept any other person opinion, that means that everyone will be giving informations that lacks reasoning and can not be transparent to another


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Jawhead999 on September 10, 2023, 01:03:11 PM
Even though liars are being doing it for personal greediness that does not mean that they make any other person to emulate them, what we should be learning in the forum is something that is meaning and something that will educate us also, maybe so people have gotten the reason some people can lie, me giving false information to fish a merit is inappropriate and it will not benefits me anything because is it's not real, maybe since forum accept any other person opinion, that means that everyone will be giving informations that lacks reasoning and can not be transparent to another
That's what the above users already answer to your question, click ignore in the profile that you think is a liar.

What do you think those people can give you benefit? let's imagine if those story are real e.g. Bitcoin save the poor, accepting Bitcoin as a currency in their store despite their country not yet accept it, teaching people to understand and adopt Bitcoin etc.

What's the difference if those story are real or fake if we talk about the benefit you can earn?


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Adbitco on September 10, 2023, 01:14:11 PM
The question to be asked are as followed;
1. How did you know they are fiction?
2. Have you tried to also formulation your own stories and you were caught?
3. Was your stories not convincisible enough?
4. Did you create any and you weren't give credits to it?
5. Did you in anyway go their various ways in community (Countries Precisely) to know if they are telling the fake story?

There where more questions i would have loved to asked you but lemme rest it all above.

The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.

I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: AnonBitCoiner on September 10, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction,
why do you think that people sharing their story and success in bitcoin ia not real? have you know the personal life of each member whose sharing story here? you are thinking that because of your understanding and without any proof how can we say that they are sharing fake story?

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I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
This forum is open for everyone until one not break the necessary rules, you will see many scammers also just with negative trust and still not banned for posting. I am not agree that just because of our doubt we say that someone should be prohibited. First we assume for reality and suppose if newbie are sharing false story then it is place of learning and we will try to gives our opinion on thats case.



Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Lida93 on September 10, 2023, 01:23:21 PM
It's not possible eliminating such stories in the forum and as unpleasant as they might be to us we can assert that a host of these fiction stories breed discussions in the forum which in the process generate real life discussions from members comments as the discussion builds up.
 Without forensic we can't decide for sure that a particular story is fiction because not all those stories that may be classified as fiction might end up been cooked up stories.

Just like in the movie industry where we have fictional stories framed up to make  a movie with fascinating characters but being fiction  doesn't mean they don't send informative message same goes with some of those fictional stories created in the forum.

The important thing is to pick whatever information you can get from those fictive stories that might be of value to you, if there's nothing there for you then ignoring them would be a great option.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Lorence.xD on September 10, 2023, 01:32:12 PM
As you said especially "newbies" it's either they are telling the truth cause they might have the experience but only new in the forum and they are posting such story so they could get merits. If you are just a newbie and you've read such a positive story, of course it would have a great affect to you that could motivates you to pursue this industry but if you are an old member of the forum you could already tell the truth and the fake by just providing proofs and based on facts information. Some people also love new topics since they would have a new discussion especially the people in the signature campaign which they have to post informative interaction with people. Still the best to interact is when it is actually real.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Zaguru12 on September 10, 2023, 01:46:03 PM
I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
I think there isn’t any prohibition against it, ideally it would have been moved to off topics but with the inclusion of the word bitcoin in this stories it is left on this board. The moderators might miss some of them because they can’t possibly be reading everything on the forum. So as someone who wants the board and the forum entirely to be clean you could just report some of these posts and the moderators will look at them and decide maybe it should moved.

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Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

Other members have actually seen some of these posts as merit fishing posts and I agree with them because most newbies might have seen threads and  how in the past merit were distributed to them and as such they wish to follow same route to see if they would get there’s. Recently the lack of merit distributed to such threads has actually reduce the number of such posts which actually makes it obvious that some were certainly for fishing of merits

Also I would advice that you shouldn’t be worried about such post and if you notice that a user persists then you can ignore such member if you feel uncomfortable with there posts


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: GiftedMAN on September 10, 2023, 01:48:58 PM
The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.

Apart from merit fishing I think some of them fabricate the  stories to attract the attention of readers to commend and congratulate them for a job well done since the stories are in connection with the importance and usefulness of bitcoin and it's promotion.

Most of the threads no longer  get merits  because most forum most members has discovered their new tricks of getting attention so they will rather advice them to stop spreading fake stores.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Blitzboy on September 10, 2023, 02:05:56 PM
Your point is valid! Why tell tales when there are so many Bitcoin adventures? Some may use the forum as their stage, telling stories taller than Bitcoin price increases. Is it the digital age's allure? Stories are fluid like digital currencies today. Anonymity makes it simple to become lost in the story. Please lead this ship back to authenticity. How about a "Fact-check" badge or "Community Verified" stamp? It will highlight real sharers and help beginners traverse crypto's perilous waters.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Nwada001 on September 10, 2023, 05:01:21 PM
The question to be asked are as followed;

Without even fabricating your own story, without even giving some threads a second reading, and without even digging deep into some threads, you can tell that the whole story is fiction from the beginning. I also view things from the OP's point of view.
 
I have read so many posts like that in the forum that most times I don't even have to comment on them; I just have to look at them and pass them by. That is why most times I tell the OP's face that they are all fabricated stories.
 
One thing that baffles me most times is what they think of the reader sometimes. Is it that they think people in this forum have a little level of reasoning that we can just swallow whatever anyone comes up with without any single doubt? Because some of the stories I read around here, the OPs don't even give it any effort to make it appear real. At least if the story is not real, we can applaud the OP for a nice storyline.
 
Most times, I don't really think the stories formulated by the OP are only for merit fishing alone, like others might have pointed out. Sometimes they use their stories to indirectly promote their beliefs, promote other projects, or advertise their side business, whatever gives them enough reason to come up with any kind of story.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 10, 2023, 05:11:44 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
You have made a good topic here, as many members are telling lies and creating fictional stories just to get some attention and, of course, merit. That's why we only see such posts or topics coming from newbies. Why legendary members do not create such fictional stories? In my time here, I also read some, and one of the most strange stories was the following:

I was not able to find the link, but the context was that OP's neighbor's daughter was kidnapped, and the kidnappers asked for payment in BTC, and OP was asking whether his neighbor should sell his BTC or not. I mean, what! Many people at that time indicated that it was a fictional story, but such stories are sometimes hard to forget and leave some sad impact too. I mean, what if the OP is telling the truth, but still, I and many others think that's also a fictional story?

We all should really avoid it. If we really want to gain some trust, we cannot get it from anyone, either in BTT or in real life. We cannot earn trust by telling lies. That truth will be temporary, so please, all newbies should avoid it.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Accardo on September 10, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
You have made a good topic here, as many members are telling lies and creating fictional stories just to get some attention and, of course, merit. That's why we only see such posts or topics coming from newbies. Why legendary members do not create such fictional stories? In my time here, I also read some, and one of the most strange stories was the following:

I was not able to find the link, but the context was that OP's neighbor's daughter was kidnapped, and the kidnappers asked for payment in BTC, and OP was asking whether his neighbor should sell his BTC or not. I mean, what! Many people at that time indicated that it was a fictional story, but such stories are sometimes hard to forget and leave some sad impact too. I mean, what if the OP is telling the truth, but still, I and many others think that's also a fictional story?

We all should really avoid it. If we really want to gain some trust, we cannot get it from anyone, either in BTT or in real life. We cannot earn trust by telling lies. That truth will be temporary, so please, all newbies should avoid it.

It's easier to lie online and get away with it. Any thread that centers on things regarding money, bragging or show off most a times tends to be lies. But how can we verify this? That's the problem. The only way out is to avoid such threads and move ahead to read relevant discussion that'll worth your time. The story you reffered to above might be complicated, in either to believe it or not. Yet its attributed to lack of contents to share in the forum. Because such serious problems shouldn't require an uncalculated question; if the Op's friend should sell their bitcoin. That's not pure, since nobody will joke with the lives of their loved ones because of bitcoin. So, if a reader is in doubt of a thread, they can try to verify or ignore it.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Adbitco on September 10, 2023, 05:41:28 PM
The question to be asked are as followed;

Without even fabricating your own story, without even giving some threads a second reading, and without even digging deep into some threads, you can tell that the whole story is fiction from the beginning. I also view things from the OP's point of view.
 
I have read so many posts like that in the forum that most times I don't even have to comment on them; I just have to look at them and pass them by. That is why most times I tell the OP's face that they are all fabricated stories.
 
One thing that baffles me most times is what they think of the reader sometimes. Is it that they think people in this forum have a little level of reasoning that we can just swallow whatever anyone comes up with without any single doubt? Because some of the stories I read around here, the OPs don't even give it any effort to make it appear real. At least if the story is not real, we can applaud the OP for a nice storyline.
 
Most times, I don't really think the stories formulated by the OP are only for merit fishing alone, like others might have pointed out. Sometimes they use their stories to indirectly promote their beliefs, promote other projects, or advertise their side business, whatever gives them enough reason to come up with any kind of story.

I don't even give credits to such low effort post and topics as merely looking at them you could connotes the simple action towards the composition of those topics which I say no to types of topic, but whenever the open seems to be real or trying to use their selves as a case study then we can it's a personal experience gained from whatever lesson they might have learnt subsequently.

I can easily gets those real posters and fake people trying to impressed the people around here while they are going worst in their own way of creating superstitious stories.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: qwertyup23 on September 10, 2023, 05:49:11 PM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

Well, this forum is considered as a haven for everyone who seeks to learn about all the information regarding cryptocurrencies. Unfortunately, some abuse this freedom by providing fake stories/information who ultimately deceives everyone. From this point, it is now the responsibility of the person to at least understand and depict which stories to believe or not.

Personally, lots of users have been faking their claims in order to fish for "merit" for them to rank-up. I just hope that every person should be held accountable for all of their statements in order to prevent any form of abuse and deception as it goes contrary on why the forum was created in the first place.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Russlenat on September 10, 2023, 05:56:05 PM
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them
We cannot actually deny some fictional stories in the forum as the forum itself is widely open to all its members to share stories based from their own experience, or even to those who are fake ones. However, the old members in the forum know it already probably for merit purposes, but my suggestion is just let them be. After all they won’t be making merits for that until they get tired of making such stories and leave the forum. As long as they received no appreciation post from other members, perhaps they will not be encouraged to do it again.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: nakamura12 on September 10, 2023, 05:59:00 PM
It's either they are planning to earn merit or merit fishing as what Cantsay said or they are just doing it to meet the required posts needed to get stakes if they are joining a bounty campaign. This forum may be a haven for those who are looking to learn or increase their knowledge about cryptocurrency but also be able to earn money that's why they are sharing stories that didn't even happen at all.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Agbe on September 10, 2023, 06:01:43 PM
Exactly there is nothing else buy for merit if not those fabricated stories wouldn't be created, those newbies are looking for all ways to grow their accounts so they came up with accepting bitcoin in their shops while in real life they don't even have a table shop. Well these days it is not hard to detect those threads again even with evidences. Op as you said, it is better to make extra research and share the knowledge gotten from there than making false stories because of Merit. If they share the real story with evidences they will have more merits on it than the frame up stories.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: BIT-BENDER on September 10, 2023, 06:16:25 PM
Well I would say I understand where you coming from and yes I have seen some post like that, some newbies feel that they can touch other users on their soft spot so as to probably get recognition and even merit from such post and it's really sad to see that some newbies don't want to go through the right road to achieve their goal

But regardless I still see this your post in the same light, if you see a post that is not Bitcoin concerned there is no need to start your own thread I believe that why you can use the REPORT TO MODERATOR option.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Smartvirus on September 10, 2023, 06:19:37 PM
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
What makes the forum rich is the uniqueness of every individual, shown in their contributions. To that extent, one is expected and has the free will to write what would be as well educative and can result in some good learning.
Unfortunately, it becomes a lot challenging for some that leads to fabrications of what could be untrue and deceiving at the same time, aimed at certain purposes.
This is out rightly bad as, you pose a completely fictional situation to be true with the aim of archiving a goal. Some even do it for the fact that, they haven’t created a thread in a long time. How do you tell, you really can’t other than have the hunch and inferences from what you’ve seen over the years.
The bad news is, most still get caught free and it’s still happening till today but with no means to prove a story, you just have to go with it, criticize what you can and don’t let there deals play on you.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: cabron on September 10, 2023, 06:20:55 PM
You will find proof after the BTC halving. Its the only season where they can show how much money they've made since they were hodlers. They definitely have reasons to hold because of the benefits.

Proof you might be interested are those futures traders who made money whichever the market goes. No lies about that but then they may not post proof because sometimes, if you do you get more PMs from scammers luring you to their den.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on September 10, 2023, 06:21:57 PM
The question to be asked are as followed;
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I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
You are right; we should definitely avoid spending our time and energy on negative people and negative vibes. But the treatment of such a fictional writer must be done. (hehe). I mean, they are wasting their energy on the wrong forum; they should write fictional stories for drama or movie makers. Why they are spending their time and energy here?

Finding answers to your query is so difficult, and yeah, we cannot really blame or tag someone's story as fake without getting into the answers to the questions you mention. But most of the time, some stories are so bold and fake that they tell us by themselves that I am fake.  :)


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on September 10, 2023, 06:28:38 PM
so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
It's true this is a bitcoin discussion forum, but that doesn't mean ones achievement with Bitcoin can't be shared here, as such is meant to encourage othets/newbies not to give up in their journey about Bitcoin. But if I may ask, what proof have you to tell that a story is true or not true on this forum? Because in as much as the authenticity of a story remains unprovable otherwise, such story remains valid til further notice.

However, there are 2 main reasons why people fake stories up, that is;

1. To get merit: As this has to do with someone writing a sweet fake story so as to please people to gain merit for ranking up.

2. To complete weekly post count: As this has to do with someone writing a fake story so as to meet up with his/her weekly post count to get paid on a signature campaign.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Adbitco on September 10, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
The question to be asked are as followed;
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I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
You are right; we should definitely avoid spending our time and energy on negative people and negative vibes. But the treatment of such a fictional writer must be done. (hehe). I mean, they are wasting their energy on the wrong forum; they should write fictional stories for drama or movie makers. Why they are spending their time and energy here?

Finding answers to your query is so difficult, and yeah, we cannot really blame or tag someone's story as fake without getting into the answers to the questions you mention. But most of the time, some stories are so bold and fake that they tell us by themselves that I am fake.  :)

I can't even imagine myself looking into someone's post or content to see how legit those information are but at some point without you digging into detail you could know they are just cooked up stories which I don't give credits to it (I look at the value it carries). Despite we can't get into detail with it shows we shouldn't call some post fake. Yes we know they are posting for something which we all know but if those aren't provable to him doesn't show they are fake, the best option are to skip it or ignore them and go to the area s/he knows are legit..

...maybe the technical support section are filled with real fact he can decide to post that area to tackle some problems. All I can say is that the general board can be cooked up and you can't stop them flooding since they all want to prove to everyone that can make quality post.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: rachael9385 on September 10, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
This is another method of merit fishing by fabricating stories and present it to the forum as if it was real. This is the reason why pictures are needed to back up your claims. They don't know that those stories wouldn't give them merits but instead it will make forum members to see them as dishonest people and might even lead to putting them on ignore. It is better in improve yourself my learning and your own research so to grow in the forum rather cooking up lies because for how long will you cook up lies that will make you grow in the forum and improve yourself.
Yes, like you said that it is another way of merit fishing, yes it is, but do you know that some of those stories were not fabricated? Yes, some of them are not because if you see a fabricated story you will know and if you sell a true story you will also know. Yes, it is good to put a clear picture of your claims so that people will know that you are saying the truth and not lies. Some forum members have been red taged because of their lies and their false stories. Members who are doing merit fishing are the ones who are so desperate to grow and some of them are not on bitcointalk.org to learn but here to fetch merits and do the otherwise.
It is an easy task to grow on bitcointalk.org. It is just for members to make their quality post. That's all. The funny part is that some members don't know that every post can not get a merit, but every merit must be given to a post, either a thread or a comment.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Silberman on September 10, 2023, 07:01:55 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
People lie about their bitcoin success for the very same reasons they lie about everything else, to obtain a gain, to prevent a loss, or they lie simply because they like lying, now this can be a difficult problem to tackle because we cannot really ask for proof of their claims and this is because many users here appreciate their own privacy and they will not ask others to give up theirs, especially when we are talking about money matters which could later be exploited by scammers.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Issa56 on September 10, 2023, 07:52:44 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
Why will you frame a story for no reason? Definitely,  they have what they are looking for, which we all know is merit. They are looking for an easy way to get merit, and they believe if they can frame up a story, that’s the only time they can get enough merit. There are some posts where, from the way the poster is going to compose it, you will know the story is not real, but I notice posts like that are not really getting merits again, so members have reduced the way they frame story’s.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative,
Most newbies are not here to learn, they are here to earn, so they are always looking for easy ways to get merit so that they will be able to rank up and join the signature campaign. Only a few newbies are here because they want to learn and impact other forum members, and those are the ones that will grow on the forum here. If you are here primarily because of what you will earn, I don’t think you will be able to build your account because in the process of building your account, you might end up going against the forum rules.

some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
I hardly believe the achievements and testimonies people post here without evidence, but I know that most of them do create posts like that because they want to get people’s attention, and maybe the post will be merited.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 10, 2023, 08:16:00 PM
In any comment their is fact that is cogent, we can't judge a book by the cover because their is every tendency that the stories or comments we see as a fabricated stories are real, hugeblack has said it all, if you don't like such stories by any user you can ignore the user,because their no story that is baseless, they most be atoms of truth in that story, so therefore I will like us to not depend on the theory of op, because we have no apparatus or experimental tools to figure out is a comment made here is a fabricated one, some people use what they see or noticed around their vicinity to make a thread or their challenges to compose writing, its necessary and understanding from my view evereveryone to air out his or her views.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: suzanne5223 on September 10, 2023, 08:16:58 PM
People do good things for bad reasons while they also do bad things for good reasons and this is always the main reason behind what makes people tell lies on the forum. However, this is one of the major drawbacks of a decentralized platform, and since they don't go against the forum rules or do something to someone else it is all good.



Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Bananington on September 10, 2023, 08:19:16 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
It is evidently so, but what an individual Bitcoin forum member can do from their own end is to be genuine and remember that there are eyes and bots here that know when one is spamming or using A.I generated text. I don't need to stress on the repercussion of such act, but anyone who does so has no interest of learning about BTC in the slightest bit, mostly when the lies told here is not on point or related to what is discussed or related to what the idea of this forum stand to promote.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: SatoPrincess on September 10, 2023, 09:11:06 PM
The reason why people fabricate tall tales is best known to them, it could be for merit, reputation, monetary gains or just trolling. There are less of “bitcoin sucess stories” threads in bitcoin discussion than last year, it wasn’t a newbie thing. Many of the OPs were full member rank and above, I think at the time those threads gave them a opportunity to share a part of their personal life with the forum. Ofcourse there are stories that are not genuine and seem like they were pinched from the stories of others, the fakes are easy to tell. If we can spot a scam crypto project, we can for sure spot a made up story when we see one.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Viscore on September 10, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
Nothing, even merits are never earned if these members will keep on making fabricated post and lies. There's always a difference if the members will provide real and based on experience stories because other members will eventually feel empathy and appreciate those post through giving merits. Lies are prohibited actually, but sometimes it's hard to control in a forum where everyone is free to share and post.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 10, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Some people may have managed to deceive themselves by saying they have invested in bitcoin, but in fact they are only holding altcoins. I'm not sure what the benefits are, but one of the most dominant things in mind is that attracting the sympathy of others who support bitcoin gives them merit. I don't think that's a good thing to imitate considering that merit won't be that hard to get, I mean only if they have quality posts.

Rather than deceiving themselves, then I think it would be good for them to speak frankly and share healthy arguments about what they are interested in. Just because of the rise of signature campaigns that pay for bitcoin, you don't have to lie that you only support bitcoin while all altcoins are shitcoins.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Chilwell on September 10, 2023, 09:39:55 PM
People do good things for bad reasons while they also do bad things for good reasons and this is always the main reason behind what makes people tell lies on the forum. However, this is one of the major drawbacks of a decentralized platform, and since they don't go against the forum rules or do something to someone else it is all good.
I concur with you on this point because the forum specifically prohibited lying, and your information must be supported by facts if it is to be helpful to the public. If a liar nevertheless helps others by his lies, it can be educational. If the lies did not violate the rules and guidelines of the forum, it is also acceptable. For example, someone might write in a forum that they introduced their family and friends to bitcoin for the sole purpose of earning points, yet other people might still be inclined to follow their example. Someone has benefited from his efforts with this.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Casdinyard on September 10, 2023, 09:57:10 PM
Merit fishing primarily. These people spin "vaguely-relatable" stories and narratives that they make out to be either an experience of theirs or an experience of someone in their circle. While it's not inherently bad since after all, they impart really nice stories for one and at the same time they're not really spreading "misinformation" since most of the stories they spin are either cautionary tales or informative and descriptive, it's still lies being said and I get why you'd be upset about it. Anywho, let's just wing it for now, no one's meriting these people anyway lol, and the mods are great at cracking down posts that are not that contributive to the whole narrative of the forum. So let them have it for now, the forum needs a couple court jesters anyway lol (no offense to these people)


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Ojima-ojo on September 10, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.
And most importantly you forget to mentio ed that the consequence for sharing such fake story and making it look real is that when the higher rank member discoverd that you lied just to get some form of compensation from them it could result into them placing the under under ignore and never read anything writen by such member again.


So aside from the fact that those newbies looking for ways to deceive older members with lies must have a rethink, and lately such activities have reduced any ways and that may be because a lot of them are not getting the results they're expected from creating and putting up with those lies.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: taufik123 on September 10, 2023, 10:32:51 PM
Asking about making fake stories in forums, of course, there will be no benefits.
I often comment on several threads that only contain fictional stories about adopting Bitcoin in the community, creating a business with Bitcoin payments, and various other fictional stories.

Usually, they only make long text stories without any evidence of transactions or photos showing the events they are telling.
They want to be praised and appreciated for being involved with Bitcoin directly, but in reality, they are just making up the story.

It's easy to spot those who are lying.
Besides, they won't grow with the fake stories that are always posted.

Instead of just making up imaginary stories, it's better to share the latest news, concerns about being in the crypto space, or events that have actually been experienced in real life.
This forum is created to share genuine experiences, not share fake stories.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on September 11, 2023, 01:34:30 AM
The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.

That's what I was thinking as well.
People get creative just to receive those merit, move up the latter and get into campaigns to earn those delicious btc.

As long as people treat this forum as their job this will always be a problem.

On the other hand, there are also always people that are just looking for attention and recognition. And to achieve they that they are going through great lengths for whatever reason.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: ancafe on September 11, 2023, 02:10:17 AM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
Even though there are many posts that are made fictionally or slightly exaggerated, what we need to know is that many of the posts made on this forum are very useful for everyone. Post-based forums that will be discussed by every visitor like us and it is impossible for all of them to be able to verify the level of truth and if you think a post is a public lie or can actually mislead people. Then all you need to do is hit the report to moderator button and let them do the rest, either the post is deleted or moved to a more relevant subboard.

The most important thing is that if you intend to provide good education to everyone, don't use the methods of people like the ones you mentioned. This forum also provides freedom for anyone to speak as long as you do not violate the forum and another thing we can do is ignore posts that you think are not useful, so that there will be no cynical responses between each other.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Stella Mese on September 11, 2023, 02:26:31 AM
There may be some members of this forum who lie, such as creating topics and so on, and indeed if create information it would be better if our spoke honestly and according to reality, but of course it would be better if our were anonymous in certain. such as identity, wallet and so on.

Yes, in my opinion should have good discussions and produce good benefits.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: yhiaali3 on September 11, 2023, 02:35:23 AM
Yes, there are many of these stories on the forum that seem unrealistic or false, but no one has proof that they are false stories. Investigating such stories would be a waste of time because it is very difficult to prove whether they are true or not.

The main reason behind such stories is either to attract attention or gain merit, but as long as they do not violate the rules of the forum and do not offend anyone, nothing can be done.

Also, some of these stories are true even though they do not seem so, so it would be unfair to accuse everyone of their stories being fictional or false.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Texac on September 11, 2023, 03:49:14 AM
Just like real life, there are millions of liars living among us but we have no way to stop those liars.  they have the right to say whatever they want and we have the right to ignore them if we suspect they are lying.  for me, if there is a topic that I feel is not suitable for me or suspect that the topic is somewhat fictional, I will choose to ignore it and move on to a topic that is more suitable for me.  you don't need to worry too much about what you don't like, focus on the things you like and you will feel the beauty of the forum or even in life.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: knowngunman on September 11, 2023, 06:27:29 AM
We all know that they fabricate the story, but yet more people will continue to do same, but at least if they can provide evidence to all those stories it would have be better than making a generic stories.

You write with confidence and concluded they fabricate the story as if you have the evidence against them. Quiet alright, there a lot of fabricated stories in the forum just to get some merits and it work for them before but not any longer. On the other hand, it's unfair to conclude that all the stories are fabrication. Of course, there are genuine stories with or without evidence and it's left for you to believe the story or ignore. Just like someone suggested in the first page, it's not a big deal when you come across such posts. Kindly scroll past or ignore such user but I will advice you do the former because if you go with the latter, there's probability they might change in the future and share important information.

Funny enough, either fictional or real, there might be lesson to pick from the story and apply it to our real life. Fictions are someone's idea and imagination. We already know that anything that can be imagined is capable of happening. So sharing fictional stories is not entirely bad as people will learn something out of it but making the stories too real is actually bad. I will suggest such stories should be identify as "fiction" in the heading by the writer so we can distinguish between a fictional story and real life story.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: fruktik on September 11, 2023, 06:55:39 AM
It is evidently so, but what an individual Bitcoin forum member can do from their own end is to be genuine and remember that there are eyes and bots here that know when one is spamming or using A.I generated text. I don't need to stress on the repercussion of such act, but anyone who does so has no interest of learning about BTC in the slightest bit, mostly when the lies told here is not on point or related to what is discussed or related to what the idea of this forum stand to promote.
I find it incredibly annoying that people use artificial intelligence to generate text. Well, sooner or later, this fact will become known. Don't they understand this? What type of head do you need to be in order to use it here?
I have already written more than once that this will lead to a similar situation. There are benefits from AI somewhere, but certainly not in our case. This requires live communication, not machine communication.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: awik p on September 11, 2023, 06:57:32 AM
Just like real life, there are millions of liars living among us but we have no way to stop those liars.  they have the right to say whatever they want and we have the right to ignore them if we suspect they are lying.  for me, if there is a topic that I feel is not suitable for me or suspect that the topic is somewhat fictional, I will choose to ignore it and move on to a topic that is more suitable for me.  you don't need to worry too much about what you don't like, focus on the things you like and you will feel the beauty of the forum or even in life.
However, we have to understand, so we can analyze the liars who want to take what is ours. Many are tempted by his words, so they get prey, but we have to understand that this is a trick they use and we have to be able to ignore it so as not to fall into their trap. do something positive for us to produce maximum results, remembering that if negative energy is maintained it will actually make us lose money.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Mpamaegbu on September 11, 2023, 08:06:57 AM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research...
How do you think Satoshi Nakamoto arrived at creating Bitcoin if not that he allowed his imagination got a better of him, and then followed it up with research? I don't think there's any issue with allowing one's mind run wild or amok with imagination. After all, there's a part of writing that's called fiction. We read books, and most of them in prose are fiction. Meaning that the stories in those fictious books never happened to the authors at the time the books were set. The only issue I see when users put up stories here that aren't real will be if the intent of those putting them up is to deceive. To that I condemn. Otherwise, let the entertainment begin. Behind every story there's a lesson to be learnt.

How about a "Fact-check" badge or "Community Verified" stamp? It will highlight real sharers and help beginners traverse crypto's perilous waters.
Doing that would be tantamount to bridling free speech (in this case, free post). I know how that feature will be misused if it's allowed here.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: stadus on September 11, 2023, 08:12:06 AM
Not every poster is serious about what they are doing; some just post to meet the requirements of a certain campaign. If you are a reader, you can always choose information that you would like to absorb, something that could help you grow as an investor. For me, the most valuable posts that help me are the opinions of the users in the forum. I know some forum users who provide valuable comments; let's say they are experts in a certain topic, so I benefit from their insights.

Mate, this is a big forum, just like a community; not everyone is helpful, so choose what you think is helpful for you. And since it's a forum, we can get honest opinions here from different users, unlike in a certain channel or a well-written article that provides information and opinions solely based on the writer's mind.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: blockman on September 11, 2023, 08:19:10 AM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative,
You do your research or not, nothing will change if those stories were just made. No offense to the ones that can be said guilty of what they say and didn't happened in real life but research is part of everyone's duty and responsibility about their own investments such as Bitcoin.

some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence.
Yes, that's it. Everyone can say a testimony on how bitcoin did things change and how it had made their lives better. We're in a forum and this is an open place of discussion, if someone asks you a proof that it did happened, it's up to you whether to oblige and comply or not.

I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
That's it, you'll also notice stories were just there and fabricated for the sake of discussion or truly happened indeed.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Solokan on September 11, 2023, 08:23:37 AM
It's true that your explanation makes sense in discussing this issue, but of course we don't need to worry if there are people who make up fake stories and so on because in this forum there are moderators who are certain that if there is a post that violates the rules it will of course be deleted by the moderator and of course it will be OK if If you think someone has violated the forum rules, of course you can report it to the moderator. In my opinion, it will be difficult for us to find posts that are fake or not because in this forum most of them are always anonymous.

But of course this is a unique question and your intentions are also good, perhaps because you want to see that the discussion on this forum is of higher quality.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Nrcewker on September 11, 2023, 08:28:18 AM
They make up stories to gain sympathy and everyone’s attention I guess. Some do this to get merits for their amazing and inspirational stories. I don’t judge whether these stories are real or fake, I just enjoy them and believes them. As long as Bitcoins are associated, I find it very interesting to read about these stories and their life lessons that they got from Bitcoins. I know those stories might not be completely true, but the satisfaction that you get when someone says “My dream came true due to Bitcoins “ excites me a lot.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: bayu7adi on September 11, 2023, 08:59:45 AM
It's possible that they are seeking attention. It is true that sometimes people try to make something overly appealing to read and respond to, but I believe engaging with these false narratives adds no value.

Some engaging stories might be more compelling if the thread creator provides evidence as well, such as censored balance screenshots or photos that prove the authenticity of the subjects and objects being described.

Honestly, my respect diminishes slightly when I read a thread recounting a personal experience that appears to be fake.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Crypt0Gore on September 11, 2023, 10:01:32 AM
Why is this a problem? You can see through a fake story anyway, we are not blind people on this forum, every clues will be present in the story if it's fake and most of them don't have a proof, this is why when creating a topic on the forum you should always consider adding some kind of proof, that's when you will catch the attention of people.

I don't worry myself about fake stories on the forum because I always believe that many things are happening in this world today, even if that story is not real, it could have happened to someone in the real life, so just relax and enjoy it.

You don't have to merit any posts if you don't believe in them, it's not a must. 


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Kaliandra on September 11, 2023, 11:31:28 AM
They make up stories to gain sympathy and everyone’s attention I guess. Some do this to get merits for their amazing and inspirational stories. I don’t judge whether these stories are real or fake, I just enjoy them and believes them. As long as Bitcoins are associated, I find it very interesting to read about these stories and their life lessons that they got from Bitcoins. I know those stories might not be completely true, but the satisfaction that you get when someone says “My dream came true due to Bitcoins “ excites me a lot.

Indeed, in discussions it would be better if you told stories that were truly real and did not lie, but in this case it will be difficult for us to see which ones are lies and which ones are not, because as far as I know in this forum there are many who are anonymous, so during discussions we produce knowledge and Of course, we can receive positive insight from the creator of the topic or post even though we don't know whether what he said is true or not. But of course we also have to do our own research and find out from trusted sources whether the news conveyed by other people is true or not.

and of course, if there are posts or topics that violate the forum rules, they will of course be deleted by the moderator.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: hyudien on September 11, 2023, 11:41:56 AM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
Not everything we talk about has to be evidence because input, thoughts, ideas and statements make this forum so unique compared to other forums. If you pressure others to provide proof for everything you say, then we are all limited and cannot speak according to our own opinions. It is important to remember that the contexts of lying and giving an opinion are slightly different and have different meanings and purposes. I do not deny lies, for example Bitcoin has been adopted in several countries and finally, I say that I agree with it does not mean that my country also needs to adopt Bitcoin. Whether you like my statement or not is up to you, and if you generalize a statement, idea or someone's idea to be labeled a lie then that is unethical. Be open to something you don't know, a person's knowledge can be born from his imagination and that also doesn't need real proof.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: cafter on September 11, 2023, 12:22:07 PM
I also think some of them are false stories and achievements, and they get more merits in a single post than many of good contributors to this forum .
maybe they are only some people making multiple accounts and sharing stories like this to earn merit faster or rank up fast and join signature campaigns with multiple accounts and can earn with multiple accounts by signature campaigns .


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: khiholangkang on September 11, 2023, 12:44:43 PM
They make up stories to gain sympathy and everyone’s attention I guess. Some do this to get merits for their amazing and inspirational stories. I don’t judge whether these stories are real or fake, I just enjoy them and believes them. As long as Bitcoins are associated, I find it very interesting to read about these stories and their life lessons that they got from Bitcoins. I know those stories might not be completely true, but the satisfaction that you get when someone says “My dream came true due to Bitcoins “ excites me a lot.
We may be able to judge which stories are fake and true from someone on the forum, but even so, we also ultimately don't know the true reality, because maybe the person behind it is not good at putting together stories, and he is reluctant to show himself to make people here believe in their achievements with bitcoin, it is subjective, whether it is wanting to get attention or whatever, only that person knows the purpose of making a post.
But it's true, I personally really like people who attribute their success to bitcoin, somehow that's much more motivating and interesting, even though I don't know the reality.

It's possible that they are seeking attention. It is true that sometimes people try to make something overly appealing to read and respond to, but I believe engaging with these false narratives adds no value.

Some engaging stories might be more compelling if the thread creator provides evidence as well, such as censored balance screenshots or photos that prove the authenticity of the subjects and objects being described.

Honestly, my respect diminishes slightly when I read a thread recounting a personal experience that appears to be fake.
Yes, that might be the other side, and this is subjective, what you say is true, useful or not, it seems there are some people who use it to fulfill their posting quota, there is a correlation of usefulness even though the story seems made up in cases like that.

It is indeed very beautiful if what he tells is like the evidence he attached to his post, but maybe there are other thoughts, people's level of success is different, including in their achievements after getting to know bitcoin, maybe they are afraid that what they get from bitcoin is of small value in the eyes of people on this forum, thus making him insulted.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Magic-Money on September 11, 2023, 03:58:27 PM
They are many things I have been benefits here in these forum, including merits to rank up in Bitcoin profile rank up
from newbie to Jr. Member, which is one day I will become Senior member, secondly the forum share or Post a relevant information with a proof and since ever find my self here in forum I have been learning new things with other people idea contribution on a post.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Asuspawer09 on September 11, 2023, 04:38:06 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with Bitcoin without proven evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experiences of Bitcoins with each other not to give fake information about what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

I mean we can't do anything about that if someone wanted to lie about something we can't do about it, they can lie all they want but I dont see how they are going to benefit from that. I guess there are some with the intentions of getting merits, since most of the posts about being successful or achievement could probably earn a good amount of merits, For sure it wasn't really that worth it I mean you can't lie everytime about something and most of the members are gonna smell that something is fishy if he always lies about something and for sure this post should at least have evidence as well of there achievement. I just doesnt see the point if they are going to continue lying about something just to make a single post.

There was no obligation here since merits are subjective you could merit anyone if you feel like it, I guess all we can do is avoid meriting this kind of post since it doesnt have some kind of knowledge unless they share their experiences and knowledge at the same time of the post, with that I guess it's already worthy of a single merit at least.



Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Yatsan on September 11, 2023, 04:58:40 PM
I also think some of them are false stories and achievements, and they get more merits in a single post than many of good contributors to this forum .
maybe they are only some people making multiple accounts and sharing stories like this to earn merit faster or rank up fast and join signature campaigns with multiple accounts and can earn with multiple accounts by signature campaigns .
In a virtual platform, you could be anything or anyone you would want to and that includes creating false images and statements. Now, how could we prevent it? Unfortunately there's no way 'coz we won't be able to easily check if something is true in this forum or not. Best thing to do is to avoid relying with other's statement especially if it is far from the reality or if no proof on those claims. It is okay to consider their thoughts especially those which could be of any help in your end but to completely rely and regret it eventually is something we should avoid. Yes ofcourse they could make up stories depending on their purpose but if it is to get merits, I quite cannot blame them from doing so. Fortunately, those who gives in this forum, are also strict with the quality so it won't always get through with that kind of goal.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: m2017 on September 11, 2023, 05:07:34 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
In fact, a forum is a place for communication, which is used not only for the exchange of knowledge and experience, but also a place where you can express your opinions and thoughts about various events in the field of cryptocurrencies. Not all discussions are a storehouse of useful knowledge, and often even simple chatter on about bitcoin and other cryptocurrency topics. There is nothing wrong with this; in principle, the forum format implies this and doesn't prohibit it. Regarding some dubious stories told here, I have more than once had suspicions of lies, which, in fact, I expressed in some topics. They are too implausible. Perhaps the benefit for false storytellers is the desire to thereby receive merit from the bitcointalk community. I also don’t like this kind of behavior on the forum and I think that lying is unacceptable purely for ethical and moral reasons. There is nothing good in this kind of misinformation, because some users and forum guests may believe dubious stories. Which, in turn, will form a misconception


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Kelward on September 11, 2023, 05:44:19 PM
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them


I think that the best thing to do is just to ignore such posts, then concentrate time and energy on the ones that you think are worth your attention. I agree that if you cannot verify with facts that a post is fabricated, then the best thing is to leave it and move on. Despite how we feel that a post might be exaggerated or fabricated, the story may still be true, except you have a valid fact to prove it otherwise.

This is an anonymous forum, and as you have said, the forum allows it's members to share ideas and personal experiences that is related and relevant to bitcoin. So even if I feel that a post is full of lies, i can ignore, report it.

Although I would have loved it if the OP had elaborated more by sharing some examples of fabricated posts.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: uneng on September 11, 2023, 06:58:13 PM
We can't stop such testimonies because they are personal and people are free to share them with forum members. Anyway, it's not a big issue. I don't know why it would prejudice someone to hear a fake personal story involving Bitcoin and a random person you don't even know.

The chances are that these fake stories can do more good than bad, since they are motivational, despite being fictional. It's like watching a movie or reading a book: it's still fictional, but you don't feel mad for that reason. It's quite the opposite, as you feel encouraged and entertained.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Lorence.xD on September 11, 2023, 09:02:26 PM
We can't stop such testimonies because they are personal and people are free to share them with forum members. Anyway, it's not a big issue. I don't know why it would prejudice someone to hear a fake personal story involving Bitcoin and a random person you don't even know.

The chances are that these fake stories can do more good than bad, since they are motivational, despite being fictional. It's like watching a movie or reading a book: it's still fictional, but you don't feel mad for that reason. It's quite the opposite, as you feel encouraged and entertained.

Exactly, since this is a forum everyone are free to share whatever they like to share only the mods could do anything about it such as delete it since it's part of the rules in the forum to post such threads with informative information and much better based on fact. Fake or not it would really depends on the person on how they would apply it to themselves because if you've been here in the forum for too long maybe you'll get tired of false stories.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: The Cryptovator on September 11, 2023, 09:17:32 PM
You shouldn't be angry, BTW, for what others have been writing around the forum. You may control yourself, not someone else's posts. We know a lot of unnecessary threads have been created on the forum. A few people want to express their thoughts and experiences. Due to freedom of speech here, we can't prevent them. But likely, we can ignore those kinds of users who have been creating bogus threads. Everyone has a Bitcoin story, of course, but it's not necessary to share each story. But keep in mind that from a few stories, newbies would learn a lesson if the story was real and constructive.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Fatunad on September 11, 2023, 11:32:48 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
You should really be aware at least that we are on a forum and everyone or anyone could really post up whether its real or not and i do agree on some post earlier or responses that they might be doing this just to earn some merit since we know that ranking your account here would really be bringing out some benefit on which it could give out that chance for you to be able to join up some signature campaigns on which it is really just that normal that they would really be aiming on earning merit more. We cant really generally tell or say about such purpose because there are really people who do truly experience those things and since this is a market which it is really that hard to prove out if its real or not then its up to you whether you do believe or not.

It is really indeed sometimes obvious that those stories had been made or said by someone is fake or something that in fiction but it turns out that it do get that kind of recognition basing up on the merits
that had been gained. Well, this is how this forum works and the people around which it isnt really that totally that we could control on what are the things been posted
or on what things in speaking about reaction.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Out of mind on September 12, 2023, 03:07:06 AM
You've made a lot of posts that are made up like completely fictitious events, many people make up and post false stories like that. I think people who post such fictitious events only do so for merit. I saw a long time ago that many people make up and post various stories about Bitcoin investment with such fictitious events. However, they wrap the story around in a variety of ways so that people who know a lot about Bitcoin can master their skills. But many people post positive and well researched replacements about Bitcoin, and they are really awesome and people can learn a lot from there. If you can craft a story about Bitcoin with good research, it will definitely benefit a person, and it is possible to teach about Bitcoin by doing this kind of research.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: DapanasFruit on September 12, 2023, 03:42:31 AM


I am not so sure why would anybody in this forum would be sharing fictitious story but maybe they just want to be on the limelight using their creativity so as to impress people. As for me, I really don't care since we are all bombarded with fictions anyway everyday. Just look at the entertainment products we are consuming - they are almost all based on fictions and nobody is complaining. Let these people share here the things they want to share...because at the end of the way we are not really that stupid to be hoodwinked easily.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Solokan on September 12, 2023, 04:28:48 AM
You shouldn't be angry, BTW, for what others have been writing around the forum. You may control yourself, not someone else's posts. We know a lot of unnecessary threads have been created on the forum. A few people want to express their thoughts and experiences. Due to freedom of speech here, we can't prevent them. But likely, we can ignore those kinds of users who have been creating bogus threads. Everyone has a Bitcoin story, of course, but it's not necessary to share each story. But keep in mind that from a few stories, newbies would learn a lesson if the story was real and constructive.

Yes, in my opinion too, it would be better for OP to just stay calm and relax if someone makes a post that according to OP is a lie, and of course it would be even better if OP focused on himself because in this forum are moderators who will of course monitor forum member activity.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on September 12, 2023, 04:44:59 AM
It is evidently so, but what an individual Bitcoin forum member can do from their own end is to be genuine and remember that there are eyes and bots here that know when one is spamming or using A.I generated text. I don't need to stress on the repercussion of such act, but anyone who does so has no interest of learning about BTC in the slightest bit, mostly when the lies told here is not on point or related to what is discussed or related to what the idea of this forum stand to promote.
I find it incredibly annoying that people use artificial intelligence to generate text. Well, sooner or later, this fact will become known. Don't they understand this? What type of head do you need to be in order to use it here?
I have already written more than once that this will lead to a similar situation. There are benefits from AI somewhere, but certainly not in our case. This requires live communication, not machine communication.

I reckon that loads of this depends on the degree of information one has which literally translates to the amount of DYOR been put into considerationby a user.

If one is properly informed about the blockchain space, I see no reason why one will call up the use of AI for a brief live contribution that will make more meaning, even an excerpt is welcomed with a reference tagged.

Telling lies or deploying AI texts and/or comments is highly irrelevant in this forum's growth or sensitisation.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Fuso.hp on September 12, 2023, 04:52:06 AM
In some cases, if you look at some posts, it seems that maybe this post is baseless or this post is made with some false dialogue. The reason for lying in the forum may be to increase the rank of one's account. By sharing some false story, many times it is seen that he is getting some merit for that post. However, although some posts are false, most of the posts are about people's real experiences or true events. The difference between truth and falsehood is easy to understand, when a person makes a post with false dialogue, it can be understood by looking at the type of his post. The subject and object of the post are true.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: irhact on September 12, 2023, 06:59:14 AM
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

Many individuals lie to gain merits because they're finding it difficult to get merit when they tell the truth, they present their stories like they're succeeding from Bitcoin because this will appeal those reading their stories but that doesn't make them successful. The internet is full of individuals pretending to be who they're not and also the forum will be full of them as well because everyone wants to look good on the internet while their life isn't going so well.

When you read a topic that isn't looking real but false like most of the achievement topics and accepting bitcoin in their locality, it's better if we don't post on those thread and allow the OP to be telling himself lies. We can't stop lies on the forum but we can stop encouraging them.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Egii Nna on September 12, 2023, 08:07:23 AM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Yes, actually, many newbies engage in the act of creating a fiction story just to gain merit. In short, let's call them merit hunters because that is what they are, but actually, some stories are not fiction but real stories that are hard to believe because when you hear something that happens to someone about bitcoin or how literate a few people are about bitcoin, you will be surprised and might not believe because I also have a thread that I created on educating and also advising a friend of mine about bitcoin, but many members that discuss it don't believe; some are saying it was just a friction, while some believe my story. Click  here to see more  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462236.msg62654281#msg62654281)

I don't worry myself about fake stories on the forum because I always believe that many things are happening in this world today, even if that story is not real, it could have happened to someone in the real life, so just relax and enjoy it.

You don't have to merit any posts if you don't believe in them, it's not a must. 

That is the point: fake stories are all over, and by hearing some, you can testify, so I also see no reason that we will be disturbed because most of these stories usually come from newbies that are hunting merit.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Mame89 on September 12, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
This forum is large and free for everyone to discuss so it is not surprising that you will find lots of various types of posters, of course it is difficult for us to prevent this. If you really like reading, maybe you can sort out which posts are fictional or real. These two posts are sometimes useful for motivating ourselves, maybe this is a positive thing we can take away.

The negative thing is for those who like to make lying posters so that they give birth to fictional stories, they are not only lying to other people, but they are lying to themselves too. they don't know that lying is a disease, if you keep doing it it will become a habit, once it becomes a habit you will never feel guilty, of course if you keep doing this kind of thing you will be at a loss to yourself. In essence, if you ask what are the benefits of the lies they make on forums? none at all.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: laurenB7742 on September 12, 2023, 09:05:21 AM
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 In essence, if you ask what are the benefits of the lies they make on forums? none at all.

If lying doesn't bring any benefits, then why do they waste time creating false stories? Everything has a purpose, even true stories, and most of the purpose is the desire to receive merit from others. The same reason why we are often active on this forum and not others is because signature campaigns can be profitable for us. Everything has its purpose, no one has free time to do something without a specific purpose. Our goals on this forum are the same, but everyone has different ways to achieve their goals.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Y3shot on September 12, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
Which world are you living in op? Liars are everywhere and they usually do whatever it takes to survive in this world. Some of them lie for merit while some others lie for an ego boost.

Easiest way to tell whether anyone is lying about their story or not is by checking their post history carefully.
Many people lie for so many reasons,  some cook up stories maybe just to stay relevant and to been seen as a dedicated bitcoiner in the forum.  One thing I know is that people will always lie in the forum to gain  just their interest from lies, as far as human are concerned their are some who can not do without lies. What I know is that forum members are not dumb, we will be able to fish out whenever we come across stories that are not real by the content of the story.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: dothebeats on September 12, 2023, 01:23:03 PM
I can only think of two things why people do this. First, they want attention. People like these are not new, there are a lot of individuals around the world wide web that makes up story to get things from others like sympathy, attention, and fame. You can check your social media and scroll for a bit, I'm sure it wouldn't be long for you to see a post that is obviously either telling a whole false story or twisting one to make them the "main character" of the situation. The second possible reason why they are doing this is for merit. There are a lot of campaigns that will require accounts to have high merit before they consider hiring you, so what best way to earn merit than to post false stories that will get a lot of attention from others?


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: reagansimms on September 12, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Maybe they often watch films where the storyline is based on a true story. :D
Lying is a very common part of everyday life and can be found everywhere, including in forums. Some forum members may not be able to detect it, but others can detect it well from the storyline or compare it with their posting history.
As long as it doesn't violate the forum rules and doesn't harm other people, just enjoy whatever you think they are lying or making up fiction.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Majestic-milf on September 12, 2023, 01:38:42 PM
 Bro, stuff like this shouldn't get you losing sleep over it because it's still going to continue. Before you narrow it to the forum, ask yourself why people lie generally. I've come across some tales spun by some users in this place that sometimes makes me wonder how low they can go just to get some form of attention or merits. Sometimes it gets so annoying that they'd forget the lie they told in one post and in another, will want to act innocent and naive.
 There's nothing good that comes easy and to achieve a certain rep in this place, one has to be as truthful and honest as possible. You mustn't tell a lie just to rise in ranks or get enough merits your way! Good, quality posts does that..
There are some stories that are spun in this forum that although untrue, it might look believable, but then again some are just do lame that sometimes I feel like asking them "dude, how did this sound to you?". We can't stop them from continuing and some, if you don't have proof, you can't just call it a lie so the best thing is to just ignore that user.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on September 12, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum.

The reason is so simple. They are hoping to get some merits. Newbies see some forum members got some merit because they have shared what they did with their Bitcoin, and those topics earned some merits. For example, A legendary member started to accept Bitcoin in his shop which is good for Bitcoin. There are some people who are unlikely to lie about their business.

I am a newbie and I want to earn some quick merits. I saw their posts getting merits so I thought why not make up a story and post it to get some merits? After all no is going to verify my stories because this is a internet forum.

That's what happen when you see a new story from some random newbies. I am not saying all of them, but most of them.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: icalical on September 12, 2023, 02:05:29 PM
I saw most of replies said that most of users lie so they could get some merit, it's not wrong, but there are other reasons too I think. Some user just need to fulfill their weekly activity quota, or signature post requirement, they lie so they can have some context while writing some reply, without lying they might don't have any topic/opinion so they can't reply to the thread. Also some people are just pathological liar, it's just their habit, they just lie without any agenda.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on September 12, 2023, 02:18:52 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
Well everyone can still post anything in this forum as long as it is within the rules. There are people as well in Trading Discussion that I take with a grain of salt or with skepticism since we can't really verify the authenticity of each posts. Unless it is a news or a technical fact about Bitcoin, it might be hard to disprove.

People aren't prohibited to post as long as it is still somehow related to Bitcoin. They can still share experience even if it isn't that much informative.

Some people post just to trigger a bystander effect wherein they would post wrong facts only to be corrected by someone.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: BVeyron on September 12, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

Actually, any story of the origins of such global project is a fairytale, bitcoin is not an exception. I think that BTC is the testnet of novel fintech features. Its value is very high due to the fact that all the testnets need to bring money to people taking part in testing, otherwise there wouldnt be many participants, and testnet would fail, so the value of btc is the "donation" to people testing the network. I think that blockchain and decetralised data storage are the future of digital fiat money systems.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: ndutndut on September 12, 2023, 07:44:03 PM
The character of each user is different in this forum, we cannot blame or judge them because we know this forum is free for anyone to contribute, even if he lies it means he has lied to himself. However, if we have broad insight, we can judge for ourselves which posters are factual and which ones are fictitious, therefore we can ignore them if we see fictitious posters. If the poster is too exaggerated, maybe you can press the report button to the moderator.

However, if we think about it, this thread is also good for liars, because this can make them more careful in lying. The rest, we just take what is good to motivate ourselves even if he makes up a fictional story about his success in investing in bitcoin.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: kentrolla on September 12, 2023, 08:00:51 PM
This is merit fishing and it's the sad reality of most of the merits now because if you want to join any signature campaign which pays in BTC or USDT you need merits and users indulge in so many strategy to get merit, either through their alt account like newbie account by posting useless questions like this OP which everybody has answers and then answer it from their alt account to get get merit. This cycle has to stop and profiles shouldn't be judged based on merits and I think merit as a qualification should be discontinued and quality of post should be considered for campaigns.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Cookdata on September 12, 2023, 08:24:52 PM
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

You know many of them lack the material to impress that they really understand Bitcoin deaply, so they choose the easiest way which is why they spice up their lies just to earn merit and belong to the I have rank up groups and it was through my effort. There is nothing wrong if people share information or achievement a our bitcoin, it's something I personally love to read because it's more like adoption but the only problem is see with this achievement is that, you can't verify if it's true or lies. However, one thing is sure about the forum is you can lie from the very beginning but you can't lie forever, you will be caught half way to the top or when you get to the top.

In addition, you don't have to worry yourself about such people, learn about Bitcoin, understand it, learn about wallet and how to secure them, go deeper and learn more, with time you will b happy that you take the good route into understanding the forum because that's what you will use to communicate and interact in the Forum. The rest that lies will be out lies even with simple conversation.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: imamusma on September 12, 2023, 08:38:15 PM
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Many people lie for so many reasons,  some cook up stories maybe just to stay relevant and to been seen as a dedicated bitcoiner in the forum.  One thing I know is that people will always lie in the forum to gain  just their interest from lies, as far as human are concerned their are some who can not do without lies. What I know is that forum members are not dumb, we will be able to fish out whenever we come across stories that are not real by the content of the story.
The facts are like that, and in general the lies are done because they hope for personal gain. Yes the end goal may vary, but I don't get that lie as a necessity if they really want to grow well on this forum. Lies are everywhere and I think it's hard to tell the difference because this is an online forum.

Humans will never be perfect, they can lie for any reason and sometimes we are amazed at how they do it. Pretending to be a beginner is also a lie, and we often find it.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Kasabus on September 12, 2023, 09:22:22 PM
They make up stories to gain sympathy and everyone’s attention I guess. Some do this to get merits for their amazing and inspirational stories. I don’t judge whether these stories are real or fake, I just enjoy them and believes them. As long as Bitcoins are associated, I find it very interesting to read about these stories and their life lessons that they got from Bitcoins. I know those stories might not be completely true, but the satisfaction that you get when someone says “My dream came true due to Bitcoins “ excites me a lot.
Most likely some people exaggerate their stories not to lie in the forum but to inspire others that with bitcoin, everything is still possible. It’s not just all about consistent losses, but also life changing success in the end. And I ultimately believe that bitcoin is probably our future. Whether these testimonies are fake or real, I actually don’t care. We all have different experiences with bitcoin, and let’s just accept that some have been greatly living their lives because of bitcoin while others are still working on a progress.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: JoyMarsha on September 12, 2023, 11:22:07 PM
OP Since the forum welcomes all without discrimination or providing any forum users preferential treatment, everyone in it is allowed to share or tell any stories they choose without anyone restricting them from doing so. Every story post is acceptable so long as it complies with the forum guidelines.

Some of us are aware that some posts made by newbies may be fiction stories, but not all of them are because some users have taken it upon themselves to raise awareness of bitcoin in their community and to present it as a new form of payment to their businesses.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Bitcoin_people on September 13, 2023, 02:16:40 AM
I think people who post such fictional stories are mainly hoping to gain merit. If you check those posts or stories, you will be sure to understand that they are complete stories and only created by them for merit awards. you can see a lot of topics being created where people have created fables and qualified there from those stories. That's why people make up such false stories and post various things about Bitcoin, basically they don't gain any knowledge from it but they just create such false stories to gain merit.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: kro55 on September 13, 2023, 02:31:57 AM
They make up stories to gain sympathy and everyone’s attention I guess. Some do this to get merits for their amazing and inspirational stories. I don’t judge whether these stories are real or fake, I just enjoy them and believes them. As long as Bitcoins are associated, I find it very interesting to read about these stories and their life lessons that they got from Bitcoins. I know those stories might not be completely true, but the satisfaction that you get when someone says “My dream came true due to Bitcoins “ excites me a lot.
Most likely some people exaggerate their stories not to lie in the forum but to inspire others that with bitcoin, everything is still possible. It’s not just all about consistent losses, but also life changing success in the end. And I ultimately believe that bitcoin is probably our future. Whether these testimonies are fake or real, I actually don’t care. We all have different experiences with bitcoin, and let’s just accept that some have been greatly living their lives because of bitcoin while others are still working on a progress.

To be able to inspire others, you need to put emotions into the story and to do that, the more authentic the story, the stronger the inspiration will be spread. If the story is fake, it will only make people suspicious and feel disappointed rather than inspired. I don't know if the purpose when people lie is to inspire or for personal gain, but true stories will always receive more sympathy than fake stories, IMO.
When you discover that someone else is lying, how will you feel, satisfied or uncomfortable? So once you lie, nothing good happens.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: SOKO-DEKE on September 13, 2023, 07:45:20 AM
I agreed with what many members of this forum have said,many of these members who lie to form stories in the forum are doing it for merit; they form lies for merit purposes, and this kind of habit mainly comes from newbies. Many of these newbies see lying as an opportunity to earn merits from the forum because they may have seen some similar stories like that, which may be true and have attracted merits in the past,so to that they form a similar stories, but the fact is that not all stories are lies, but it is just unbelievable because of how it comes, and we don't know how it can happen in that way.
 
And again, this is a forum where people can earn, especially by participating in signatures. So many income members are just here to earn; not all of them are here to learn about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general, but their main purpose for being in the forum is to earn, and to do that, they always look for any way to get merits so that they can just rank up their accounts in time and start taking part in signatures.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: Woodie on September 13, 2023, 08:03:44 AM
I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum.
First and foremost giving a fictitious story isn't really against the forum as this could be done as a way to get the conversation going, though if you lie about something happening against another user and this is proved you could actually be negatively tagged for it!

Other reasons could be:
  • trying to get merit for it
  • trying to meet signature quota
  • its someone's nature and it is in their DNA
  • attention seeking

I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
Prohibited don't think so but It depends on where this lie is being told and if it's being directed to a user then the narative changes as this could be a reputation case...

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
Telling lies is about having that moral campus, and besides even in real life we have people that will narrate a real life story with a little bit of some lies in it just to make it more interesting to the listerners/readers .


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: n00ber on September 13, 2023, 12:32:20 PM

 
And again, this is a forum where people can earn, especially by participating in signatures. So many income members are just here to earn; not all of them are here to learn about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general, but their main purpose for being in the forum is to earn, and to do that, they always look for any way to get merits so that they can just rank up their accounts in time and start taking part in signatures.

Completely agree with what you said, because this is a forum that can make money so people will use all means including lying to get what they want. But from your statement, I also question, can the forum maintain this number of members without the signature campaign? Although people always say they come here to gain knowledge, I don't believe that is their only purpose. Just like me, of course I will learn good things from everyone here but I also cannot deny that I also want to make money here.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: moneystery on September 13, 2023, 01:31:53 PM
this is a free forum where you can open any topic you want. as long as you discuss topics that are relevant to the sub-forum you choose and don't violate the rules of this forum, you are free to tell whatever you want, even making up stories that aren't actually there. it may sound strange, but this is a forum where people interact and are free to express what they want to say and as long as it doesn't break the rules, that's fine.


Title: Re: What do we benefit in lies in forum
Post by: justdimin on September 14, 2023, 09:28:09 AM
Just like real life, there are millions of liars living among us but we have no way to stop those liars.  they have the right to say whatever they want and we have the right to ignore them if we suspect they are lying.  for me, if there is a topic that I feel is not suitable for me or suspect that the topic is somewhat fictional, I will choose to ignore it and move on to a topic that is more suitable for me.  you don't need to worry too much about what you don't like, focus on the things you like and you will feel the beauty of the forum or even in life.
However, we have to understand, so we can analyze the liars who want to take what is ours. Many are tempted by his words, so they get prey, but we have to understand that this is a trick they use and we have to be able to ignore it so as not to fall into their trap. do something positive for us to produce maximum results, remembering that if negative energy is maintained it will actually make us lose money.
Yeah true and it would be hard for some people to see the liar if the yare looking for someone, but if you are not, and you are like me and do not care about people here who would be trying to take advantage of you, then you do not get fooled, because if you make no deals then how could you get fooled.

In the end, it's all about being self sufficient, I just buy bitcoin and hold, why would I need to get hurt by anyone's lies, if FUD is the only thing they can hurt me -with, then I am fully on FOMO mode at all times and do not believe them neither. This is why it's going to be possible to ignore them and ignoring them is the way to go if you want to be prevented from them for the long term as well.