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There are a lot of forum members, who spend their free time in this forum. And sometimes forum life need some fun for development, so I think admin must make virtual roulette in the meta board with free spins for all members. So forum member make free spins and win - either merits or next membership each day, even hero and legendary membership. So this will be more attractive forum and not so serious.
The forum merits is one of the biggest admin mistakes, they are 100% useless, ( for example, forum member with IT higher education will almost always be step higher than any other member with just home made IT knowledge, so how can home educated forum member can give merits in IT field to member with university education ).
Spammers and trash posters are present in all forums, also here - merit system can not help, if the member want to spam & trash, he/she will do it.
Spam/trash is subjective too, for me this Economics board thread with many replies Has everyone become too pesimistic about the economy? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457622.msg62463536#msg62463536#62463536) for forum with international members is spam/trash, but at the same time other forum members may be like it.
So I think this gamble roulette will make forum life more fun & happy.

Is this butt hurt I’m detecting here?

Merit is useless? and a spin game that gives forum members the opportunity to win either merit or a higher rank would be better, Op sport to say but did you even sit down to think about your post before you posted it? How were you even able to come up with such an idea in the first place? I guess too much gambling has been affecting you lately.

The reason for merit creation is to discourage spamming here in the forum, since spammers won’t be able to rank up if they continue with their posting style and to also encourage those that are contributing things that are related in a discussion so if you’re unable to earn merit then you need to sit down and reevaluate your post history and check if you yourself should that same type of post you have been making from a different user will you award them with merit? There’s no need for you to start bringing up dumb suggestions just because the merit system did not favour you.

Trust me, there are many of use that came to the forum with zero to no knowledge of what bitcoin is or what the forum is but we took our time to learn and it did pay off, but nowadays instead of learning you’d rather just copy from different platforms and present it as yours or look for other ways to bypass the merit system.

This suggestion of yours will not be put into consideration because the suggestion is basically useless so I’d advise you lock this thread and face reality because you’re going to receive so many bashes from this thread.

I think some how, if you can even listen to what you are saying here, you will find out that it's just a bunch of trash. You are saying that the merit and membership ranks should be gambled just as in the casinos. The merit system was designed to award quality contributions to the forum and not some kind of game. If you must rank up, you have to earn merits. That shows how useful you have been contributing to the forum.


The forum works just fine and I still don't make any sense of what you are suggesting. When it comes to fun, there are lots of fun activities in the forum where members gets to showcase different kinds of talent and wins a good price so I don know what other fun you want on the forum. I will suggest you close this thread to avoid abusive replies form other members.

It's a good method of bringing more spammers into the forum! It doesn't matter if you are higher educated or not; as long as you are contributing to the forum, you will get some merit as appreciation. Why do you need merits in the first place if you think it was a mistake by the admin to introduce the merit system? It looks like you are not happy that your useless post is not getting enough merit to rank up so that you can join the BTC-paid signature campaign. >:(

This forum is not to make someone's life happy. It's a place for newcomers to bitcoin to learn about it. There are many boards in the forum that serve different purpose and for people from different backgrounds. There is an economy board, speculation, trading discussion, meta, Games and Rounds, Gambling, local board, politics, bitcoin, and WO(where all the fun stuff is going on ;D). Anyone without an IT background can do better in the forum as well. I rank up from the beginning, and my educational background is not in IT.

You weren't here before the merit system was introduced. There are still spammers and trash posters in the forum, but the number has significantly increased. Just because you're unable to gain merit doesn't mean that the merit system is broken. It's not perfect by any means, but why don't you look at how you can improve yourself rather than blame the system instead? This forum has thousands of members, a huge number of whom have managed to rank up to the higher ranks. There's a decent chance that I won't rank up to Legendary anytime soon, but it's not the system to blame, and it's not really necessary, to be honest. Sr. and Hero member ranks are equally great, and the forum has an abundance of members in those ranks.

A quick look at your posts and it's pretty safe to mention why you haven't gained more: little to no contribution in your replies, some with poor grammar and vocabulary mistakes (this is the least of the issues), one or two lines at most, and generally not creating any proper engagement with the forum. I don't mean to attack you, but your claiming that the merit system is a complete mistake is rather offensive, taking into account that you signed up a few months ago.

1. No one spends free time in this forum.
2. A lot of interesting things are presented to develop the life of this forum like. Rewards giveaway, merit giveaway by good post, giving merit to help for rank up, many things that motivate new and old members.
3. You can earn money in this forum. Bounty, signature campaign, buy and sell your skills service etc.
4. The admins of this forum always do the right and valuable things so respect them.

Prove it!

In general it's true that more educated people earn more Merit. That's not a flaw, the whole point of the Merit system is to get rid of shitposts. I'm surprised you got 16 already, I have you on Ignore on my main account.

There is some kind of such a free spins: you make some interesting posts on the forum and get a chance of winning some merits or even enough merits for a new rank. Cool, right? If you spend your time on the forum for your learning and having fun it will just take some time and you'll get all: merits, ranks, etc. No need to hurry, all free spins are yours! ;)

P.S. I don't have any degree in IT. Maybe it's what I should work on in the future, but as for now I don't.

would you mind elaborating on why merits are useless? the example you gave is bad.

that is one of the worst examples to give. Of course, someone who has a higher IT education will probably be a step higher than someone with just "homemade IT knowledge".

this is just a sad mentality, you know they can give merit to the "home-educated members" as long as they find the post is useful and deserves merit not sure why you would think they wouldn't give merit to someone who did not have the same education as them.

I am not an IT man and I joined the forum as a newbie, with very little knowledge about Bitcoin. Here I am with 3700+ merit, all self earned, no single one from airdrop when merit system kick-off.

How did I do this?

Learning and contributing. A message for you, no contribution, no merit.

You will get same guide in Welcome message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.0)

Buddy,If that's the case , I think there is already some board for getting fun such as Games and rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) , Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0), Collectibles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=217.0)
What is the real reason for the fun you want, brother? According to your think, it would be better to do that if you exclude the merit system, just post and the rank will increase, spammers will fill the forum while posting. In this case those who well poster will rank up later. Is it ok bro, brother, it will be more good and fun!? dude the merit system is not just for fun, the main purpose of the merit system is to encourage those who are contributing to the forum by posting good posts.
Even then you can join this free raffle to have some  fun O0
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"the main purpose of the merit system is to encourage those who are contributing to the forum by posting good posts." - it is just not working, it is clear forum admin fault. Spammers/bad quality posts are present in all active forums.

You have been asked to provide proof, and the fact that you’re unable to earn merit and still come to meta to create this type of thread proves that you’re a spammer.

Right, but why should we additionally encourage them? When I first came on this forum there still were quite many one line posters with meaningless content. There were pages and pages on nonsense. Now we still have many posts made just to post something, just to get enough activity or reach a week quota in a signature campaign, but we have much much less meaningless content. So merit system worked as expected. By the way I came here just several months after its implementation.

Of course it's not an ideal system, but it made situation much less catastrophic. Who has seen what was before merit system will agree with me.

Just imagine, there were some proposals to introduce a demerit system.
So, for example, because of this nonsense you write here, you would lose the merit you have gained. Sounds like fun.  ;)

What if a newbie just registered and tried to spin and win the legendary rank, then he started to ask what is blockchain, what is crypto, how we can use crypto to make a profit, what is bitcoin core is, etc.. If he did not know the basics then he deserved not to get a legendary rank or hero or any type of rank. Why don't schools implement this rule to provide some fun to students? Because to spend some fun time we don't have to modify merit or rank system instead we have to find something interesting. Where we can enjoy.
If you are not a good IT-educated person and want to get merits or ranks then educate your self instead of gambling on ranks or merits. Make yourself worthy enough, so that others will support and appreciate you with merits, and your rank will increase.

It is true that spammers are still there but many members and moderators are contributing to weed them out. But if you talk about before the merit system is implemented, then you become a senior member by posting only 250, then quickly join a signature campaign and get weekly money, is that the case?
Spammers are active and are being purged as well, but currently, I am happy with the current merit system, at least spammers with 250 posts activity can no longer be senior members or any other member rank.

If the forum admins have failed, then why are you here in this forum?

I think every forum or organization has its own rules and regulations that govern and control them, and anyone who seems uncomfortable with that should just leave and not try insulting the whole system.

This forum has been in existence for more than a decade now, and this merit system introduced in the forum has helped reduce spam and has kept this form moving in the right direction for a long time. Then who are you to abuse the entire forum policy, and what are your proofs for your claims?"

 It's the audacity for me. ;D.. like how do you manage to bring up such ridiculous ideas and suggestions and still act like you had your wits with you when you did is what I'm trying to wrap my head around. This is you with another attempt at turning the forum into something you feel will bring 'fun' but to me is just a lame excuse to spam.
If you had paid close attention, you'd notice there's something like making good, quality posts and earn merits already going on but I'd doubt you'd notice when you're busy thinking up crazy ideas to turn the forum I to your playground.

You don't need IT education to earn merit!
Just be yourself, try to be funny, participate in discussions. Half of the threads here have nothing to do with IT.


What do you mean? I sure do spend some of my free time here. There's a lot of interesting discussions here and people to argue with :D

Who said that merit system is not working? I think the merit system is working in the best way possible. The admin implemented merit system to reduce spam on the forum and after it the number of spam posters have decreased significantly. The spam posts will always be present and they are present on every online forum of the world but in this forum merit system decreased the number of users who mostly made spam posts to increase their activity.

Can you please share proof of your claims? Where have you seen spam or bad quality posts on the forum and did those spammers earned any merits at all?  If you really understand what a spam post is then you'll surely share some examples of those posts, but I'm quite sure that you won't be able to share any posts or members who earned good number of merits doing any kind of spam postings. I think you don't like the merit system because it made ranking harder for you and all those members who have less knowledge about Bitcoin and can't contribute good stuff to the forum, but those who have knowledge about Bitcoin and can contribute something good to the forum will always have more than enough merit to rank up.

In fact, I have seen some members who ranked up pretty fast and have more than enough merits for their next rank. Those members are contributing good posts to the forum and that's why they are getting those merits. If you can do the same then trust me the members will merit you for your contribution. You have got more than 15 merits for a single post that someone considered helpful and that proves the merits are always there for good and helpful posts.

But they have no incentive to spam which reduces the number of spammers we have here and also, wait for it... reduces the amount of spam and trash post.
The merit system means spammers are not rewarded with higher ranks for the number of posts they make here without any consideration to if they offer any value at all.

- Jay -

Are you suggesting or you’re instructing the admin on what modifications you want done on the forum?

The forum has got its own sense of humor and you don’t need no reward for humor, you having to laugh when you see some expressions is the reward, the laughter. What more reward for humor could be better than that.
I’ve seen usages throw constructive jabs at themselves on the forum and it’s cool to vibe that way with some, you could try it with forum familiars.

If you do think you need some games to be entertained, there are gambling sites that would even reward you in coins for games played. I obviously promote one with my signature space. Try it and you’ll be smiling when you win.

Meanwhile, it’s almost inevitable that spammers would spam but, they eventually get what they deserve. There are rules here and the rule on spammers has a gradual approach in transition to a permanent ban. If you value your account less and when your hit by the temporal band you refuse to pay heed, you would eventually see yourself out.

The merit system has made me quite happy since it was introduced in 2018. I don't need free spins to win merit or any games for the same purpose. That's meaning I don't agree with the idea considering the potential for abuse seems too high.

You may be able to join some of the annual contests held by forum users or admin to get more merit. Also you can take advantage of some of the merit thread if you're having trouble getting them, especially if you want helpful merit source to review your posts.

Firstly, the forum merits system is not a mistake or should I say is never a mistake and can never be. Thymos and co knew what they are doing, they had put in all methods of thinking before implementing the rules for merits and it has been working. If it has not been working or useless as you said, you wouldn't have gotten any merit except you where merited for the wrong reason that's the only way you can not notice that the merits system isn't useless.
Secondly, in the aspect of technical know how, it doesn't matter the educational qualifications of any member or how any individual got their knowledge in this forum it all depends on how good you are and how you can contribute to conversations and make a difference that is the subject matter of quality posting and the merit. Whether you are highly educated or not you can make good contribution it doesn't matter the IT knowledge you have. I guess am the youngest in this forum but does that mean I can not do well here? No. I'm even doing better than I thought so it depends on individuals decision whether to do well or not.

This post is so funny and i just can’t stop laughing… OP thought thinking out of the box will fetch him some merit. He probably misunderstood the meaning of think out of the box and decided to come up with such silly idea because how can you say Merit is useless. I think he probably can’t keep up with the post standard of the forum and is looking way to earn easy merit that’s why he thought of an idea that is based on luck to move up the ranks.

The forum is okay with the merit system and all this idea about virtual roulette will just make everyone lazy, why bother learning about things when you can easily move up the rank simply by playing a dumb game. We have seen some accounts of people in the forum that have been stagnant on a particular rank for a long time and when you check you will find out that they may low quality posts.

OP just make high quality posts and people will appreciate your work and will merit you if worthy enough and dismiss this idea of yours from your mind it’s ridiculous.

Is this for the lack of reasonable and good discussion to post, it's like taking away what the forum and its members value, you have to earn and work for your merits, it's like handing down memberships and merits to spammers.
Just imagine one member ranks up because of a giveaway do you think he deserves respect compared to those who worked for it, I have seen some ridiculous ideas but this is the worst if not one.
 

 

Why did you decide that forum participants needed to have fun? Are you the only one who knows resources where you can get this? Why should a forum turn into a Christmas tree, full of different font colors, like you do? I understand your despair. You won't see high ranks while you're sitting on the potty and painting your coloring book.
OP, you are one of those who wants to get everything here and now and is against systematically achieving something.
But life will show completely different colors if you do not understand that only through learning, and not through fun, can you achieve success.

@OP unfortunately you're not the administrator in this forum, so you can't implementing your idea to giveaway merit. Though if you're a merit source, it's possible you can do it, but I believe sooner the administrator will remove you as a merit source due to misusing merit.

You're correct gambling is for fun, but obviously wrong to think having such strategy to win in gambling, if someone have it, every casinos already bankrupt.

We saw all sorts of "interesting" proposals, but this one surely has to be the craziest of them all. It makes absolutely no sense and no one except worst piossible shitposters anf forum abusers would benefit from it but then again that's probably the reason why you suggested it.


No its not, as its slowing shitposters like you going through the ranks.


Oh, they are definitely present here.  :D

Wow... this is an amazing post. It seems like you read a lot here and know which boards have a lot of spam post (perhaps I prefer to call it bullshit). You also have good thoughts and contribute to the forum with your deep thoughts, so your ideas will create more spam and make this forum like a gambling site. But it doesn't matter, everyone is welcome to share their thoughts and ideas. Who knows, someone might agree with you. But unfortunately I don't  :P

Was trying my best to read all you said but at some point I had to stop because you just said something that's crazy.
If the spin to earn merit and new membership as you called, come to play, do you think this place would be the way it is? It seems to me that you're that type that doesn't like stress, you want things to be done for you then you sit and be giving orders.
Bro, is best to have it this way, lemme tell you something, some people take this place as a very serious place than you can think of. Do you think people are here to play, like drop one funny emoji and log off for the day? Don't you know that when there's too much fun you can't identify who's serious?
Nothing is wrong with having fun but not on this Forum, if you want fun go to Facebook or Twitter X and other places you could think of.
If you think Forum merit is a big mistake then your words ain't suppose to be taken seriously, maybe you have no idea how hard it is to keep this Forum the way it is.
Lemme tell you, if you think some of these legendary members are where they are now just by sitting and expecting manna to fall from above then you must be mistaken.

OP, you sound funny on your suggestion. What do you take the forum for, a casino or a place to come and have fun ? The forum is a place to learn and exploit from base on what you have up in your brain and how fast you learn and understand discussions on bitcoin and other angle of bitcoin. Read more and improve yourself so that you can have those merits very easy and also rank up without too much worries. It is lazy people that loves free things or believes in luck. You can't reap from what you didn't sow, how do you expect a Member to automatically jump to a full member rank without acquiring the number or merits and activities for that rank. The forum merits system and rank is already programme and I believe is the best way to encourage people to learn more and improve themselves in the forum. Spammers will have no place here or progress until you have accepted to learn and grow.

If you want fun buddy, you can go to social media sites or scroll through YouTube. This forum is mainly for education and spreading knowledge. To be more specific, crypto-based everything. What you suggested is completely hilarious and useless. You earn merits and rank up totally based on your contribution to this community. It's not something to give away with spins or a casino-like method. Instead, you have to work hard, be a quality poster, be helpful, and have patience. With that thought of yours, I was wondering how you even got those merits. I would suggest you read the basic forum rules. How merit system works, why merit system was implemented, how to earn merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214808

Is reading and learning not fun enough for you? Indirectly, you are suggesting that the forum should be transform from being a bitcoin discussion Forum to merit spin casino right? Perhaps the name Bitcointalk should be change to merithunt. It baffle me how people are not longer worried about everything taking gambling dimension. How will you feel if this your idea is implemented and no one care to write in the forum again but rather focus on spin and hope to win merit or higher membership rank? You will find the forum less attractive and eventually leave for somewhere else where there is serious discussion right?

The only thing I can see from this thread is someone who is frustrated and finding it difficult to get merit and rank up. The truth is that majority of us here have been in your shoes before and we also felt exactly like this and wish there's another alternative of getting merit. It's not possible, you need to put your effort and work for it. Don't hope to gamble and see yourself in the legendary rank.

A piece of advice for you... Accusing a legendary rank member of writing shit or spam at this your level is not ideal. The post you reference in your thread has more replies from both legendary and lower rank members of up to 5+ pages. It means that the thread is hot and very good for discussion. Stay away from unnecessary criticism and enjoy your time in the forum.