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Title: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 03, 2023, 12:35:46 PM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Beerwizzard on October 03, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
1. Solana have a history of long slowdowns an crashes which makes it technically unreliable.
2. There is a lot of competitors within DeFi sphere that perform better.
3. The huge amount of coins comparing to Solana total supply was in FTX portfolio and it is possible that these coins gonna be sold on spot in order to provide compensation for FTX users.
4. Solana got shitty tokenomics. A large amount of supply was initially concentrated among a small number of users. They can easily dump the price because they bought it cheaper than it was sold on a public sale.

To be honest, it does not seem to be a safe and reliable investment.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 03, 2023, 05:11:43 PM
1. Solana have a history of long slowdowns an crashes which makes it technically unreliable.
2. There is a lot of competitors within DeFi sphere that perform better.
3. The huge amount of coins comparing to Solana total supply was in FTX portfolio and it is possible that these coins gonna be sold on spot in order to provide compensation for FTX users.
4. Solana got shitty tokenomics. A large amount of supply was initially concentrated among a small number of users. They can easily dump the price because they bought it cheaper than it was sold on a public sale.

To be honest, it does not seem to be a safe and reliable investment.

Are you on about the same Solona as me?

1. Must be 2 years since the last one? and been massively upgraded since then.
2. Is there? what does that amount of transactions and so cheaply?
3. Wont make an ounce a  difference and next one is 2025
4. It hasnt at all.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Beerwizzard on October 03, 2023, 06:35:35 PM



1. Must be 2 years since the last one? and been massively upgraded since then.

A quick google search shows that Solana had an outage on January 7, 2023. But for Solana having only 1 issue for this year is a great achievement.
Considering the current low TVL and weak activity I'm not sure if anything happens once it becomes more popular.

2. Is there? what does that amount of transactions and so cheaply?

As per DefiLama (https://defillama.com/chains) it have only 0.88% of total DeFi TVL. Which is not surprising since most of the top Dapps are not running on SOL blockchain.

3. Wont make an ounce a  difference and next one is 2025

It is a doubtful investment when you know that FTX is about to dump 10% of coin's total supply.


4. It hasnt at all.

No shit.
About 43% of supply was allocated for team and various private rounds with a price from 0,04$ to 0,25$ while only 1,43% went to CoinList public sale.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: livingfree on October 03, 2023, 11:04:36 PM
A quick google search shows that Solana had an outage on January 7, 2023. But for Solana having only 1 issue for this year is a great achievement.
Considering the current low TVL and weak activity I'm not sure if anything happens once it becomes more popular.
It's like an achievement already for Solana that it has only 1 outage for the Q1 of this year.

News ~ Solana records 1 outage in first half of 2023, 100% uptime in Q2 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/solana-uptime-improves-with-one-outage-this-year)

And for the past Q2, it's said that there's no downtime so it means that it's been up and running 100% which is a good thing for Sol. I've known people that are also sol maxis and I have no problem with you guys.

You seem to have a strong belief on it and I'd like to say good luck with it because you likely all know what you're saying about it and why you're a maxi of it.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: bluebit25 on October 04, 2023, 02:42:41 AM
In contrast to OP, I evaluate SOL as just like many other L1s that have appeared and they received hype to get their current valuation. Looking back at the process of its appearance, its positive features, limitations, internal controversies,... in general, altcoins can easily increase sharply but can also easily decrease sharply through the example of the SOL chart.

Although there are currently many new L1 appearing and competing for market share in this market, SOL is still a name that has brought great positions so they will still be noticed. But as for optimal selection, it is not suitable for me, some new products that I believe will have greater hype will bring good profits.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on October 04, 2023, 04:58:21 AM
Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.
The reason it still on the top L1 is because majority of holders of solana are the top whales and only few retailers. How can you move it down if almost all are being hold by few people while others are totally different. They can really maintain their high valuation in contrast to others. So I think thats a good way to say they are on top of L1. But in terms of technical or product there are far way more greater than solana. Remember how they network got off many times before? Isnt that a bad sign in security aspect hence they arent go down that massively? Well you can tell why (my first reason).


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Husires on October 04, 2023, 05:55:42 AM
If you can mention 5 unique features of Solona that are not found in any other cryptocurrency and it has a good amount of decentralization, then I will believe that it is not a dead currency and that it is undervalued.
Solona is one of the simple networks that has a good record of stopping during the last two years. The network is completely centralized, there is no real development compared to the L2 projects on Ethereum, which have become faster and cheaper POS and its reliance on a decentralized network. All of these are reasons that make token developers use different blockchains, and therefore Solona disappears with time.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: edmundduke on October 04, 2023, 06:35:30 AM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.


Well people tend to use L1s they are comfortable with, so mostly the older ones. Poly, Avax, BSC etc. Not that they differ/offer anything revolutionary over SOL but its the power of first movers. This also means most of the action/volume is on those chains so traders stay there aswell.
A huge problem for SOL will always be the FTX/Sam factor. Its considered a pet project of a scammer. You can argue if its true or not, that doesnt even matter, its how people preceive it.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 04, 2023, 03:38:31 PM
there is no real development compared to the L2 projects on Ethereum, which have become faster and cheaper POS and its reliance on a decentralized network. All of these are reasons that make token developers use different blockchains, and therefore Solona disappears with time.

This is all plainly untrue.

They arent faster or cheaper.  And certainly doesn't have more developers....



Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: zasad@ on October 04, 2023, 05:33:00 PM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.

Solana has a very informative story about how market makers manipulate the price of a coin and sell the coin to hamsters at very high prices. A classic story that is described in the famous book by Edwin Lefebvre: "Memoirs of a Stock Operator". Ethereum looks more fundamental, but I have some Solana just in case.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: BlockaFett on October 04, 2023, 06:20:11 PM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.


Please explain why is Solana far ahead, I cannot agree on this.
Solana is everything bitcoin is fighting against!!!! Remember, the bitcoin, the one we are here because.

1. Solana is so centralized that in last few years network STOPPED more than few times!
2. When Solana network stops, you cannot even login to your wallet (had this issue, twice)
3. Solana has fake bitcoins made by Sam Bankman not backed by anything, that's why price crashed
4. Solana has fake other currencies not backed by anything
5. Solana is just another solution like many others

Bro, I can write like this whole night but, I believe there is many better projects, this one is fishy, smells like fish. You know that... if it looks like a duck...


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: JeffBrad12 on October 04, 2023, 11:02:57 PM
I don't know. maybe because there are many L1 coins out there that simply better than solana?
not to mention there's rumour that solana will get massively dumped by ftx for the sake of reviving the platform itself.
therefore its no brainer to choose other L1 thats just better in term of technology and also kinda normal.
now solana is off so much from its all time high I don't think it could ever get back to that point of all time high again. i personally would never gonna invest in solana ever again its just mediocre coin at this point.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: bittick on October 04, 2023, 11:25:06 PM
many have elaborated their reason for not investing in solana.
I personally after solana get dumped hard when ftx was collapsed, its a big obvious sign not to invest in solana ever again doesn't matter how good it is, its just simply worst investment for me personally therefore i prefer other coin at this point.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Yogee on October 05, 2023, 12:44:56 AM
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Bro, I can write like this whole night but, I believe there is many better projects, this one is fishy, smells like fish. You know that... if it looks like a duck...
Hehe. Waiting for him to make counter arguments or at least explain to us why Solana is so far ahead of everything as he claims in the OP. It's probably the one with the biggest marketing team I give them that. Who knows if OP is one of them boys trying to shill so he could dump his heavy SOL bag.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 05, 2023, 05:59:09 AM
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Bro, I can write like this whole night but, I believe there is many better projects, this one is fishy, smells like fish. You know that... if it looks like a duck...
Hehe. Waiting for him to make counter arguments or at least explain to us why Solana is so far ahead of everything as he claims in the OP. It's probably the one with the biggest marketing team I give them that. Who knows if OP is one of them boys trying to shill so he could dump his heavy SOL bag.

Not at all. My biggest bag is Bitcoin, followed by Eth and then Solona.

I have responded to many arguments put forward (I dont need to respond to everyone - especially those who feel the need to advertise dodgy crpyto casinos nobody has heard of or uses). I can prove some of the claims against Solona are absolute nonsense. The only one that is of any note is the centralisation one.

I haven't see one single L1 put forward as an alternative yet....


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Yogee on October 05, 2023, 06:57:41 AM
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Not at all. My biggest bag is Bitcoin, followed by Eth and then Solona.
Good on the first two.

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I have responded to many arguments put forward (I dont need to respond to everyone - especially those who feel the need to advertise dodgy crpyto casinos nobody has heard of or uses). I can prove some of the claims against Solona are absolute nonsense. The only one that is of any note is the centralisation one.
I'm also waiting for your counter-arguments to Beerwizzard's response. You dismiss them as nonsense? Those seems valid to me. The 1 outage this year for example is already an improvement compared to 2022 but that still poses questions on network security.

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I haven't see one single L1 put forward as an alternative yet....
I'm looking more and more into privacy coins nowadays with all the Government overreach that's happening around the world so Monero is the "OG" on that. It doesn't have the convenience of fast confirmation and cheap fees but I'm good with that.

I've heard of other L1s with smart contracts offering both privacy and scalability but I'm yet to read on them.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: bounceback on October 05, 2023, 08:24:52 AM
Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.
Since it was first launched, many people have considered Solana to be one of Ethereum's killer coins, but the fact is that so far Solana has not been able to match the advantages of ETH, basically Solana also has its own advantages such as much cheaper transactions and transaction speed.
At the end of last year, the Solana project developers experienced several network outages due to congestion, so this is one of the reasons why some investors turned to other alternative coins because they considered the Solana developers not to be very solid.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: huu78 on October 05, 2023, 09:00:38 AM
Solana had a bad history in 2022 when FTX was rumored to have gone bankrupt and one of their biggest investors held a large amount of Solana, that's why this project still has doubts from various parties, especially those who witnessed this.
and prefer new projects that have a good reputation


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Blitzboy on October 05, 2023, 10:04:18 AM
I agree that Solana has its advantages, but the crypto world is huge and ever-changing. People choose Layer 1 for various reasons. Ethereum has own DeFi ecosystem and strong developer community. Why would someone choose another L1 over Solana? They may perceive worth, utility, or promise in that endeavor that others miss.

If everyone jumped on the Solana train because it's trendy, wouldnt we risk a blockchain monoculture? Shouldnt diversity boost robustness and innovation? Just something to chew on. Its good to have multiple perspectives, even if one seems promising.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: @sriyan on October 06, 2023, 10:48:21 AM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.

Are you kidding me?  That question maybe asked by the aptos. These are the reasons to remove solona from my portfolio.

Eg:
1. Solona network is too much centralized
2. Solona and almeida foundation connection
3. No major updates recently


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Zee27 on October 06, 2023, 02:02:06 PM
Market Perception and Hype could be a valid reason for this. Investor sentiment and market trends can heavily influence investment decisions. While Solana has experienced significant growth and attention, other layer 1 blockchains may gain popularity due to specific announcements, partnerships, or perceived technological advantages. Recently I swapped some ETH for SUNDAE via Bitget swap due to its recent hype. This token is on the cardano blockchain.The crypto market is dynamic, and investors may seek to capitalize on emerging trends or perceive opportunities in alternative layer 1 blockchains.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Joseph-P on October 10, 2023, 05:11:21 AM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.


I invest in Solana for the exact same reason I invest in Bitget- it possesses the potential to compete with its industry leader. In the case of Bitget I already see them as a decent alternative to Binance. Not only has their token maintained a steady price increase all year, the CEX has also made giant strides towards improving their products every single time I check up on them. The most recent being the launch of the Bitget Smart portfolio- for the "bot-trading" lovers. Similarly, Solana has been steadily making progress over the years to live up to its hype as "The ETH Killer". Its pretty impressive how far they've gone and mindblowing to see them still massively undervalued.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 31, 2023, 09:39:10 PM
Over 60% up since I posted this thread.

Seems like a good time to bump. Anyone actually going to suggest a better layer 1 to invest in?


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on October 31, 2023, 09:46:36 PM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.

Are you kidding me?  That question maybe asked by the aptos. These are the reasons to remove solona from my portfolio.

Eg:
1. Solona network is too much centralized
2. Solona and almeida foundation connection
3. No major updates recently

Just LOL at all 3 of those.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: o48o on October 31, 2023, 11:18:21 PM
-cut-

Eg:
1. Solona network is too much centralized
2. Solona and almeida foundation connection
3. No major updates recently

Just LOL at all 3 of those.
Yeah, not at all Solana maxi are you?

Beside the same typo you made on the topic, what's so funny about these? Or is that just your go to counter argument?

I can list more:

  • Proof of History haven't been tested by time.
  • Because of low fees it is vulnerable to high-frequency trading bots or DDoS attacks.
  • Solana has only 1k+ validators. In comparison eth has over 500k

I am not saying Solana is the worst coin out there, but you clearly are a SOL maxi, and there obviously still are issues with it.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on November 03, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
Not a Solona maxi at all. Im a maxi in making as much money as possible. Bitcoin and Eth were my biggest investments (although my Solona bag has taken over with the recent surge).

I brought most my bag between November 22 and March 23 and so far I am close to tripling my money and we are very early in the bull market.



If I feel there is a better investment I will ditch Solona in an instant. You can point out all the flaws you want (yes it has some like any) but in my eyes it is absolutely superior to other potential eth killers based on the data.


I asked a simple question in this thread and not a single person has given me an argument for a different layer 1. Its my opinion that layer 1s and AI cryptos will be the major narrative for this bull run hence the question on alternative layer ones.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: billyd7 on December 10, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
How are your other layer 1s comparing guys


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: Sophokles on December 10, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
Genuine question as per the title.

Firstly im not a Solona maxi. I will gladly move over to something else if it appears better (and im always looking).

Solona is just so far ahead of everything else right now and so undervalued. It looks like the only thing that could even get close to doing an Ethereum style run.


Really want to know what L1s do people go for over Solona as it makes no sense to me.


Solana is not undervalued and it is not far ahead of everything. I am not sure why you think that, but solana is broken in its built system and that is the reason we have seen this network be down for hours which shows its weakness. All these L1 are the main competitors of ETH and if they can not provide any unique usecase that ETH can not then they will eventually die like other ETH killers that existed a few years ago. What is unique about solana is its fast transactions and low gas cost. After the ETH blob upgrade its gas price will also be 100 times lower than now, and solana will slowly lose ground to ETH.


Title: Re: Layer 1s. Why does anyone invest in any other than Solona?
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on December 10, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
I asked a simple question in this thread and not a single person has given me an argument for a different layer 1. Its my opinion that layer 1s and AI cryptos will be the major narrative for this bull run hence the question on alternative layer ones.
Well compared with the end result as of today its solana the one leading on the L1. But you cant also say for others like Avax, and eth since they also performing well though not compared to Solana. This is due to airdrops that has been happening on solana and people dont want to be left behind and join the hype and trend.