Title: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Okwara on October 08, 2023, 11:17:59 AM Rather than being biased and supporting one side, it's better we all stand up and declare our support for peace to reign. If not for any other reason, at least for the sake of the innocent civilians (most especially women and children).
The offensive attacks between Israel and Hamas should be discouraged in all ramifications. Don't attack Palestinians in your country, don't attack Israelis in your country. Don't stand with either Israel or Palestine, but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: BADecker on October 08, 2023, 03:16:28 PM Your god is different than their god. How can you be at peace with somebody that your god (who is supreme above everything) rejects for not following him(her,it)?
---------- Israel's "Pearl Harbor Moment"? Hundreds Dead, Horrifying Scenes Of Entire Families Killed - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351845-2023-10-07-israels-pearl-harbor-moment-hundreds-dead-horrifying-scenes-of-entire.htm "The entire system failed. It's not just one component. It's the entire defense architecture that evidently failed to provide the necessary defense for Israeli civilians," he told CNN of the surprise invasion from Gaza militants. "This is a Pearl Harbor type of moment for Israel, where there was reality up until today, and then there will be reality after today." Town-by-town and farm-by-farm fighting is still underway given Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) reportedly control swathes of southern territory and even military outposts in Israel. 8) Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Hispo on October 09, 2023, 12:44:21 AM While I kind of agree with this point of view, we also should keep in mind that for both sides, this conflict has reached a point where peace is no longer an option as long as the opposite side is still up and in arms. Rather than setting the political escenario for peace, both sides have decided to escalate this situation, resulting in the unnecessary lost of life and even kidnappings by the Hamas forces conquering parts of Israel.
I expect Israel taking control of the situation eventually and retaliate on Gaza strip even harsher. It is an never ending cycle. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Pingrapole on October 09, 2023, 10:37:51 AM I agree with you when any war starts but here when Israel attack we don't see such question but now when Hamas attack our sympathy is increased in fact our morality The point has been lost, of course any war should be fought with soldiers, killing civilians indiscriminately is not right.The US is on Israel's side, so they will eventually take revenge for their situation, but they may be stalled in taking this revenge because now Hamas is not under Israel's control, and they have Can't control the management so what is actually happening is actually for the right of that area We never take sides in war, in fact we should not take sides in war, but when the helpless are faced with the crisis of their existence, they think of whatever they have at a furious speed, the current situation is an example of Hamas If self-defense falls within their responsibility, they should respond if they are deprived of their rights The Palestinians are forcibly occupying the holy places and not allowing them to worship. If Israel comes out of them, then the solution will be there. There is no need to take sides Leave the rights as much, or it won't end and shouldn't end.What can I say about the common people? Israel attacks and kills the common people whenever it wants It would have been different if Hamas had attacked Israel by force. In fact, Hamas defended itself.
The last thing is that the common people should sit down and discuss among themselves, but if Israel does not give them back their space or freedom or rights, there is no point in negotiating, forcing something It cannot be kept at a price, it turns out to be a snake tomorrow, this is proof that torture of civilians should be stopped. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: mu_enrico on October 09, 2023, 11:13:28 AM The offensive attacks between Israel and Hamas should be discouraged in all ramifications. Don't attack Palestinians in your country, don't attack Israelis in your country. Don't stand with either Israel or Palestine, but stand for PEACE. Everyone wants peace, no doubt about it. However, when Hamas massacred Israelis yesterday, you can't just be shouting peace! It doesn't work. World leaders should condemn Hamas, and drag them to court. But that won't happen so Israel will counterattack Hamas with way more gun power.I STAND FOR PEACE. Peace will come if Hamas/Palestine realizes that they already lost the war a long time ago. Time to move on without poking Bees' nest. Now is like a slap battle between a kid, and a huge muscular man. I won't be surprised if there is no Gaza after this war. It's sad, but it's the reality. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Gozie51 on October 09, 2023, 12:23:28 PM The offensive attacks between Israel and Hamas should be discouraged in all ramifications. Don't attack Palestinians in your country, don't attack Israelis in your country. Don't stand with either Israel or Palestine, but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. I also stand for peace but how far we are going to continue preaching peace is yet to be ascertain in this war. This is a fight that started several decades ago and yet kept on after sometime. The peace talks in the UN security council just held recently has failed and both parties don't seem to have reached an agreement to stop. I see more escalation of the fight and some countries to join, at the moment Iran has been figured to be supporting Palestine even though they have not come open to show their support. Russia is already in the side of Palestine while US have been longtime friends with Israel, so this war is sort of bringing different blocs of interest in it, hope this won't begin the third world war. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LucyFurr on October 09, 2023, 02:56:08 PM Even if we look at the history the peace comes at a cost. :-X
World countries who gave opinion when Russia- Ukraine war but why its not the same for Palestine - Israel? Nobody gives you a damn unless it benefit then in some way. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: boyptc on October 09, 2023, 09:52:57 PM We're all for peace.
But you can see that each side are having now their support from other countries and that's not a good sign of what you're advocating. You're not alone on this one but we're barely heard by them. One has the other countries on their back. And the same goes for the other one. It's all noisy and poor are those victims, the innocent citizens that are in the midst of it. They don't want this war, they don't want to get apprehend and get kidnapped. All of them want peace but for both sides, this is what is peace to them before it's taken. There should be casualties and collaterals. :'( Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LTU_btc on October 09, 2023, 10:10:15 PM I want peace too, billions of people in whole world want peace, but it doesn't really matter what we want. In whole history of humanity, almost whole time there was wars or bigger and smaller conflicts.
I'm not saying that Israel is innocent and there is no right side in this conflict. But what HAMAS did simply can't be justified. Killing innocent civilians, kidnapping women and children. I'm not even talking about what they're doing with dead people. It's difficult to call them as humans. They will pay huge price for what they did, but worst part of it that thousands of innocent people will die. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Marykeller on October 09, 2023, 10:51:36 PM I support the idea of peace prevailing between the two countries, but I can't begin to preach for it now in countries who don't want to hear it. The two nations are engaged in a long-running dispute and requesting that it end would be difficult given the loss of life, destruction of property, and other harm it has caused.
So let's allow them to dig it out with one another in this war so that the next time, the other country would learn on how not to attack first and seek for lasting peace. It is not today that people around the globe have been seeking for peace to happen between the people for Israel and Palestine. They choose not to be at peace with one another. They prefer to address themselves as enemies for lives. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: DeathAngel on October 10, 2023, 10:25:20 AM The offensive attacks between Israel and Hamas should be discouraged in all ramifications. Don't attack Palestinians in your country, don't attack Israelis in your country. Don't stand with either Israel or Palestine, but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. I totally agree with everything you’ve said. Unfortunately this is the main topic of conversation in the developed world at the moment. Something needs to be done to broker peace ASAP. Too many innocent people are losing their lives on both sides. Leaders need to sit down & stop this ASAP. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: coolcoinz on October 10, 2023, 01:53:17 PM If they read your post they'd laugh at you.
Imagine that someone enters your home and starts stealing from you. You ask them to leave, they don't do it. You hit them, they hit back. Your neighbor sees you fighting and starts preaching to you both "you should love each other brothers, there should be no fighting." Would you both stop? I doubt it. Ukrainians lost families and friends to Russians. They won't start loving Russian all of a sudden. Palestinians lived every day knowing that Israelis have superior military power and will one day kill them all. They won't stop until there's no Gaza. It may take another decade or another century but the goal for Israel is to exterminate Hamas and make Gaza a part of their country. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Hispo on October 10, 2023, 04:51:39 PM If they read your post they'd laugh at you. Imagine that someone enters your home and starts stealing from you. You ask them to leave, they don't do it. You hit them, they hit back. Your neighbor sees you fighting and starts preaching to you both "you should love each other brothers, there should be no fighting." Would you both stop? I doubt it. Ukrainians lost families and friends to Russians. They won't start loving Russian all of a sudden. Palestinians lived every day knowing that Israelis have superior military power and will one day kill them all. They won't stop until there's no Gaza. It may take another decade or another century but the goal for Israel is to exterminate Hamas and make Gaza a part of their country. I agree the situation is dire and blood may continue to be spillled, sadly. But just because we do not see a peaceful solution to this conflict, does not mean we are supposed to give up on peace for both sides. It is obvious that there are some factions in Israel which seek to occupy and possibly annex Gaza for themselves, but Hamas is doing nothing to help Palestine to reach a peaceful outcome to get their territory recognized, have access to food, medicine and water. There are violations of the international laws being committed by both sides and yet, some people seem not to even care for the civilians who are just collateral damage for the leaders of Hamas and the Israel government. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LTU_btc on October 11, 2023, 06:00:11 PM Ukrainians lost families and friends to Russians. They won't start loving Russian all of a sudden. I wouldn't compare this conflict with war between Russia and Ukraine. It's much more complicated and have deeper historical background. Both sides have done terrible things and war that we have now was inevitable. And I don't see someone who would be right in this conflict.Palestinians lived every day knowing that Israelis have superior military power and will one day kill them all. They won't stop until there's no Gaza. It may take another decade or another century but the goal for Israel is to exterminate Hamas and make Gaza a part of their country. Israel and their actions is probably responsible for creation of Hamas. And in all these years whole Gaza was built on hate towards Israel. On the other hand, people in Gaza selected Hamas terrorist to be their legitimate representatives. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: G.Seed on October 11, 2023, 06:23:26 PM Quote Both sides have done terrible things One of the two side is openly racist and received billions from occidental countries to do these terrible things.Quote On the other hand, people in Gaza selected Hamas terrorist to be their legitimate representatives. People in Gaza are starving, we made them vote ? This is ridiculous. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Okwara on October 12, 2023, 05:54:00 PM If they read your post they'd laugh at you. Imagine that someone enters your home and starts stealing from you. You ask them to leave, they don't do it. You hit them, they hit back. Your neighbor sees you fighting and starts preaching to you both "you should love each other brothers, there should be no fighting." Would you both stop? I doubt it. Ukrainians lost families and friends to Russians. They won't start loving Russian all of a sudden. Palestinians lived every day knowing that Israelis have superior military power and will one day kill them all. They won't stop until there's no Gaza. It may take another decade or another century but the goal for Israel is to exterminate Hamas and make Gaza a part of their country. I quite understand you. In as much as I wouldn't want to take side, I think what we need to actually bring solution to this menace is justice. If the United Nations can be neutral in solving the lingering issues surrounding this continuous conflicts, I believe justice will be served and each side will maintain their lane. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: bittraffic on October 12, 2023, 08:31:42 PM If they read your post they'd laugh at you. Imagine that someone enters your home and starts stealing from you. You ask them to leave, they don't do it. You hit them, they hit back. Your neighbor sees you fighting and starts preaching to you both "you should love each other brothers, there should be no fighting." Would you both stop? I doubt it. Ukrainians lost families and friends to Russians. They won't start loving Russian all of a sudden. Palestinians lived every day knowing that Israelis have superior military power and will one day kill them all. They won't stop until there's no Gaza. It may take another decade or another century but the goal for Israel is to exterminate Hamas and make Gaza a part of their country. I quite understand you. In as much as I wouldn't want to take side, I think what we need to actually bring solution to this menace is justice. If the United Nations can be neutral in solving the lingering issues surrounding this continuous conflicts, I believe justice will be served and each side will maintain their lane. UN is a sham. It's quite shocking to see Israel didn't bother to ask for the return of the kidnapped people but they just dropped huge bombs on Palestine. Sure their missiles also killed the non-Hamas men. Normally, a negotiator will first respond but they went ahead launching missiles. It sends a message that this is an eye for an eye which makes the whole world blind. ;D But this war didnot start last Saturday morning when Hamas attacked, this war started a long time ago with a conflict. Just like the conflict between Iran and Saudi that started a thousand years ago but just recently made a peace deal. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Alpha Marine on October 12, 2023, 09:51:39 PM This would only happen in a perfect world, but the world we live in is a rotten one.
I believe and agree that this should be the message. We don't have to pick sides. If the whole world condemned the fighting from the beginning and pushed for more peaceful ways, maybe it wouldn't have escalated to this level. Even right now, I know neither Palestine nor Israel would just automatically decide to stop fighting but that should be the message the whole world puts out. We don't have to pick sides and fuel the crisis further. We should advocate for more diplomatic ways. Your god is different than their god. How can you be at peace with somebody that your god (who is supreme above everything) rejects for not following him(her,it)? Why do we have to fight for our God(s)? Doesn't it sound dumb when people are fighting for their God? If a God is truly supreme or wants to be supreme, how's me killing humans making him supreme? Why can't he fight his battles himself? He or they should fight against the other gods. If you serve a god that you say is supreme and he asked you to kill everybody not following him then that god is not worth following because he made those people and he should have known that they won't follow him so why create them? Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: mikeywith on October 13, 2023, 01:25:44 AM I wouldn't compare this conflict with war between Russia and Ukraine. It's much more complicated and have deeper historical background. Why, because it doesn't fit well within your western bullshit? ::) Russia vs Ukraine goes way back in history, the Russians claim it's their land due to "history", it's up to you if you don't want to compare the two conflicts but they are the same, you have two sovereign states (Ukraine and Palestine) and two invaders (Russia and Israel) the main difference is that Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 while Israel Invaded Palestine in 1948 and they keep expanding the invasion day by day with the support of your tax money. So how is it okay for Ukraine to defend itself but it's not for Palestine? you need a truck full of hypocrisy to swallow that contradiction. Quote Both sides have done terrible things and war that we have now was inevitable. The Ukrainians are also doing terrible things to the Russians, so by your standards -- they shouldn't do that, they should just sit back and wait for the Russians to take their land. Quote And in all these years whole Gaza was built on hate towards Israel. There is no such thing as build on hate, you need reasons to hate, seeing someone invade your country, take your land, kill your people, will automatically make you hate them, this is how life works, good luck convincing the Ukriain future generation who are yet to be born not to hate Russia. Quote On the other hand, people in Gaza selected Hamas terrorist to be their legitimate representatives. What is your definition of "terrorists" is it the killing of children? Israel has killed far more children, is it the number of buildings destroyed? Israel destroyed an order of magnitude more buildings than Hamas, so how can you call Hamas terrorists and not the Israeli army? you are comparing an invader to someone who is protecting their country, if you can't be fair and call things as they are you should at least not be a hypocrite, the least you could do is call both of them terrorists. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: adamin1i on October 13, 2023, 05:19:03 AM I will not support anyone in the war between two terrorists. I hope there will be peace. But;
It is a city that is under blockade, is the world's most populous city per square meter, cannot meet its needs such as electricity, water and food, and is under bombs. Every child born here is a natural warrior. Unless Israel gives up this attitude, peace will never come. The establishment of a free Palestinian state is essential for peace. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: tvbcof on October 13, 2023, 06:39:36 AM Simple ethics (and established international and natural law) induces me to stand pretty firmly with Palestine in this whole 'Israel' situation. At least most of the time though I'm sure that Palestinians and their handlers breach ethical standards on occasion. Most reports of such breaches seem to be inventions of the Zionists and their properties (specifically the mainstream media and political apparatus in most Western countries which are firmly in the grip of the the financial elite who control the Zionists.)
It's ambiguous to me just where the 'settlers' fall on the combatant scale. They 'settle' with the loudly stated goal of achieving property theft and genocide of the current population. My call would be that people who willingly 'settle' are combatants, but the children of said are not since they had no say in the matter. As for ethics and decency, it looks to me that Muslims and Christians share similar values. So-called 'Jews' who are informed by the racist tenets expressed in the Babylonian Talmud and Kabbalhistic texts are a deep and dark offshoot root vis-a-vis the 'Abarhamic' religions. Target number one of the Talmudics was to get rid of Jews who rejected those relatively recent texts/teachings, and they succeeded admirably to where Karaite Jews are basically extinct. Thankfully there are a ton of secular Jews and a fair number of them are quite decent (and quite bold and truthful about things.) Things are likely to get a lot worse for Israelis in the coming decades. Many Israelis know it and they have a pretty good idea about how and why: https://www.bitchute.com/video/1FHEwUsSm2JU/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/1FHEwUsSm2JU/) As an American the Palestinians never cause me or my country any problems. They do there thing and I do mine. 'Jews', or some segment of them, on the other hand, rob me blind and corrupt the shit out of my country (or former country) in a myriad of devastating ways. That segment is most associated with the banking sector, but also academia. It's pretty clear to me that to 'them' the United States is just as much of a target as the West Bank and Gaza. They just have use different tactics. Similar to the way the fate of a meat cow and a dairy cow is similar but their path to the end-points is different. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LTU_btc on October 13, 2023, 10:21:47 PM Why, because it doesn't fit well within your western bullshit? ::) Russia vs Ukraine goes way back in history, the Russians claim it's their land due to "history", it's up to you if you don't want to compare the two conflicts but they are the same, you have two sovereign states (Ukraine and Palestine) and two invaders (Russia and Israel) the main difference is that Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 while Israel Invaded Palestine in 1948 and they keep expanding the invasion day by day with the support of your tax money. So how is it okay for Ukraine to defend itself but it's not for Palestine? you need a truck full of hypocrisy to swallow that contradiction. And these things goes back into history way deeper than 1948, but more into 19th century when jews were allowed to buy land in Palestine. Quote The Ukrainians are also doing terrible things to the Russians, so by your standards -- they shouldn't do that, they should just sit back and wait for the Russians to take their land. Well, Ukraine didn't come to Russia to kill or kidnap innocent civilians. Offcourse, there is things like crucified boy in Donbas and similar shit that Russia is spreading since 2014. And yes, I don't deny that Ukraine killed more or less Russian civilians in active phase of war, it's simply inevitable, but they weren't target, unlike during Hamas attack last Saturday.Quote There is no such thing as build on hate, you need reasons to hate, seeing someone invade your country, take your land, kill your people, will automatically make you hate them, this is how life works, good luck convincing the Ukriain future generation who are yet to be born not to hate Russia. Palestinians will hate Israel forever and vice versa, same like Ukrainians won't love Russians anytime soon. There is reasons behind it, I don't deny. But there is also brainwashing plays role. If you will push one agenda from young days, something what Russian propaganda doing, it's difficult to have different opinionQuote What is your definition of "terrorists" is it the killing of children? Israel has killed far more children, is it the number of buildings destroyed? Israel destroyed an order of magnitude more buildings than Hamas, so how can you call Hamas terrorists and not the Israeli army? you are comparing an invader to someone who is protecting their country, if you can't be fair and call things as they are you should at least not be a hypocrite, the least you could do is call both of them terrorists. So, if I call Hamas as terrorists, it automatically means that I defend Israel. That's good one. But if it's not clear enough, I don't support what Israel is doing now in Gaza and in one of my posts I even called their actions as genocide.Though, If Hamas would have same capabilities as Israel, I suppose that they would act in not less brutal way. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: mikeywith on October 14, 2023, 12:23:37 AM it's status isn't recognized by about 25% of UN members. You can argue about it, but telling that Ukraine and Palestine situation is same is bullshit. The majority of the world recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state, so what is your argument here? but then again, even if we were to assume that the 138 countries that recognize it matter less than the 55 countries that don't and agree with your logic, are you saying you think it's okay for Israel to invade Palestine just because (it's only recognized by 138 countries)? does this stand still if China invaded Taiwan which happened to be recognized by only 13 countries.? The difference here is that the West is not fine with China taking Taiwan, or Russia invading Ukraine, but it's okay for Israel to invade Palestine, there is no difference between Ukraine and Palestine, it only exists in the media that you have been watching since you were born, the reality is, the only difference is the "interest" of the collective west, for the Palestinians who were kicked out of their home which they owned for decades and so did their parents before Israel came into existence have the exact same right to defend themselves as the Ukrainians do -- so you saying these two are different is just the "nice" way of saying Palestinians shouldn't fight back while the Ukrainians should, because we hate Russia and love Israel. Quote So, if I call Hamas as terrorists, it automatically means that I defend Israel. It doesn't mean you are defending them, but when you mention Hamas you say "terrorists" and when you mention the Israeli army, you don't, it's obvious that you don't think they are terrorists because the legacy media does not categorize them as such, despite the fact that you did mention that they are committing genocide, you just don't think they deserve to be called terrorists, but Hamas does, this logic is flawed, but to make a long story short, by your standards and since it was you calling Hamas terrorists, let me ask you one last question -- do you by any means think that the Israeli army and Netanyahu's government terrorists? :D Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LTU_btc on October 14, 2023, 11:35:24 PM The majority of the world recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state, so what is your argument here? but then again, even if we were to assume that the 138 countries that recognize it matter less than the 55 countries that don't and agree with your logic, are you saying you think it's okay for Israel to invade Palestine just because (it's only recognized by 138 countries)? does this stand still if China invaded Taiwan which happened to be recognized by only 13 countries.? Again, you see what you want to see. My point is that international status of Palestine is completely different from Ukraine when you said it's completely same thing. I haven't said anything that Palestine shouldn't resist or something.The difference here is that the West is not fine with China taking Taiwan, or Russia invading Ukraine, but it's okay for Israel to invade Palestine, there is no difference between Ukraine and Palestine, it only exists in the media that you have been watching since you were born, the reality is, the only difference is the "interest" of the collective west, for the Palestinians who were kicked out of their home which they owned for decades and so did their parents before Israel came into existence have the exact same right to defend themselves as the Ukrainians do -- so you saying these two are different is just the "nice" way of saying Palestinians shouldn't fight back while the Ukrainians should, because we hate Russia and love Israel. And how good that you better know than I do myself what media I follow since I was born. I don't have warm feelings towards Israel and never had, but offcourse, you better know what I feel. Quote It doesn't mean you are defending them, but when you mention Hamas you say "terrorists" and when you mention the Israeli army, you don't, it's obvious that you don't think they are terrorists because the legacy media does not categorize them as such, despite the fact that you did mention that they are committing genocide, you just don't think they deserve to be called terrorists, but Hamas does, this logic is flawed, but to make a long story short, by your standards and since it was you calling Hamas terrorists, let me ask you one last question -- do you by any means think that the Israeli army and Netanyahu's government terrorists? :D If I would follow what Western media says, then I wouldn't even call Hamas as terrorists. They are too afraid to call them so and using words like fighters or miltants instead. I can call Israeli army if you will be more happy after that, but still their methods is a bit different than Hamas.Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 12:31:05 AM If I would follow what Western media says, then I wouldn't even call Hamas as terrorists. They are too afraid to call them so and using words like fighters or miltants instead You are making this up, Western media refers to Hamas fighters as terrorists which is where you got the word from, your subconscious mind led to you write that word when you were addressing Hamas but it didn't when you addressed the Israeli army simply because you are not used to hearing it. Quote I can call Israeli army if you will be more happy after that It won't make me any happier, it would only make you sound less hypocritical to anyone with common sense reading your posts, you said you are not siding with Israel, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Quote , but still their methods is a bit different than Hamas. Since when do "methods of killing" define a terrorist? and how different? what is the difference between kids killed in an airstrike carried by an F-16 or a kid who was killed by an old-fashioned surface-to-surface missile? what seems to be the case here is that you are just making up excuses to avoid calling the Israeli army and government terrorists, what is your next excuse? Hamas and the IDF wear different colored clothes? Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 07:06:07 AM The people making up the Israeli security forces seem to be rather risk averse when it comes to consideration of their own hides. Not very reliable for protection of the general citizenry, nor for direct combat against armed opposition. Beating up and murdering unarmed people, and especially children, seem to be more their bailiwick. Looks like the Israeli 'ground invasion' of Gaza might be delayed for a while. It's easier and safer to kill civilians from afar by bombing hospitals with free weapons from the West while goyim are found to do the boots-on-the-ground duty in Gaza proper. The U.S. has an excess of spare bullet-stoppers and a compliant and controlled leadership under full control of the Zionist so that's probably the best place to put the focus on. But mobilization will take some time, and they may have to share the leftover goyim from other more critical fronts. As for Gaza, we've seen the 'to wet' part of the excuse cycle. Look for 'to dry', 'to cold', 'to hot', etc, not unlike Ukraine's ill-fated 'greatest counter-offensive.' Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: OgNasty on October 18, 2023, 03:46:14 PM This is certainly a conflict that has many complexities that make it difficult to have a good opinion. The best opinion to have is to just hope for peace. No matter what people believe, they shouldn’t have to worry about going without food and water or being bombed just because they were brought up with a certain belief system.
Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: LTU_btc on October 22, 2023, 09:34:13 PM You are making this up, Western media refers to Hamas fighters as terrorists which is where you got the word from, your subconscious mind led to you write that word when you were addressing Hamas but it didn't when you addressed the Israeli army simply because you are not used to hearing it. First of all, sorry that I noticed your post just now. And no, no way that I' making this up. There is plenty of examples when Western media refuses to call Hamas terrorists, BBC is probably most prominent example:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432 But there is more example like The New Yrok Times: https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/liberal-media-refuses-to-call-out-hamas-for-who-they-are-terrorists/ Or CBC: https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/liberal-media-refuses-to-call-out-hamas-for-who-they-are-terrorists/ I can continue, but yeah, I'm making this up. Quote Since when do "methods of killing" define a terrorist? and how different? what is the difference between kids killed in an airstrike carried by an F-16 or a kid who was killed by an old-fashioned surface-to-surface missile? what seems to be the case here is that you are just making up excuses to avoid calling the Israeli army and government terrorists, what is your next excuse? Hamas and the IDF wear different colored clothes? There is no difference F-16 airstrike or attacks with surface-to-surface missile, but I wasn't refering to it. I was talking about Hamas killing innocent participants of music festival or civilians who live in kibbut znear to Gaza. If it's not terrorism, then I don't know what is definition of terrorism.Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Hispo on October 23, 2023, 12:36:03 AM This is certainly a conflict that has many complexities that make it difficult to have a good opinion. The best opinion to have is to just hope for peace. No matter what people believe, they shouldn’t have to worry about going without food and water or being bombed just because they were brought up with a certain belief system. Heh, it may be even worse than that. Any children who was born in Gaza was by default born in a huge prison, his parents could be of any religion or any political side, it does not matter really. In the end of the day, bombs and missiles do not ask about your political or religious views before exploding in your face and kill you. There could be a group of people there who do not support the actions of those terrorist called Hamas, and yet, they are getting the revenge of Israel equally. They are human victims which will later translated as "collateral damage" one of the favorite euphemisms of the military arms of western countries in this last decade Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: BitcoinBunny on October 23, 2023, 10:46:49 AM Rather than being biased and supporting one side, it's better we all stand up and declare our support for peace to reign. If not for any other reason, at least for the sake of the innocent civilians (most especially women and children). The offensive attacks between Israel and Hamas should be discouraged in all ramifications. Don't attack Palestinians in your country, don't attack Israelis in your country. Don't stand with either Israel or Palestine, but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. Try waving the 1960s peace flag when someone tries to execute you randomly in a suicide bomb, a plane hijack, a beheading ceremony or other forms of barbaric torture. See if it helps. Maybe you will survive. Maybe not. Come back with your findings if you can, or in the most likely outcome... not. Trying to apply modern humane ideologies ("But, I'm for peace") against a barbaric organisation who cares nothing about that (and more about going to a fantasy place in a fantasy afterlife) is just dumb. History shows that nonsense barbarism (whatever the motivation) eventually dies out in almost all necks of the wood. And that's a good thing. It brings peace and prosperity for almost all humans in that area. Consider when large parts of the Arab world do drop their backward religious thought somewhat -> prosperity, women can go to school etc. Hamas and other such "organisations" just doesn't want any of that. They treat their own citizens like crap and that certainly means any opposition can be treated even worse. There is no "negotiation" with that, at all. Nor should there be. One is best to ignore such pathetic nuisances no matter how much they jump up and down. Sure, you can not get involved, you may as well - do something better with your life. But to pretend "ah these are just two different sides", is certainly over simplifying a problem that humans have struggled with for millennia. Millions have died in crusades, forced religious conversions and religious conflicts and everything that stems from that. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: mikeywith on October 24, 2023, 12:21:37 AM Sure, you can not get involved, you may as well - do something better with your life. But to pretend "ah these are just two different sides", is certainly over simplifying a problem that humans have struggled with for millennia. Millions have died in crusades, forced religious conversions and religious conflicts and everything that stems from that. Based on your logic then you should stand against Israel, Israel is a Jewish state that uses religion as an excuse to perform ethnic cleansing against everyone who is not a jew, it includes Muslims, Christians, and even atheists, if you are going to use Hamas as an excuse (since this is what your biased western media teaches you) then let me inform you that Hamas doesn't extend past the Gaza strip and yet Israel has been commenting human right violation of all sorts against the Palastains of different religion in every place regardless, and these are not just my words -- every Israeli based human rights organization confirms this, the Palestinians don't want to make an Islamic or Christian state, they want to get back the lands which the Zionist Jewish took from them with the help of the British. So ya, I couldn't agree more, religious-based wars/expansion/settling are the worst things in the world, and we should all stand against Israel. Quote Try waving the 1960s peace flag when someone tries to execute you randomly in a suicide bomb, a plane hijack, a beheading ceremony or other forms of barbaric torture. Trying to apply modern humane ideologies ("But, I'm for peace") against a barbaric organisation who cares nothing about that Oh allow me to correct the date for you, it was 1945 when the U.S detonated two atomic bombs on Japanese civilians and killed hundreds of thousands of them. Quote Consider when large parts of the Arab world do drop their backward religious thought somewhat -> prosperity, women can go to school etc. Religion and prosperity are not related by any means, the Arabs don't need to drop their religion for prosperity, you can check the GDP scale to figure that much out, and for schools, 55.8% of graduates in Saudi Arabia for example, are women. Women do go to school in ALL Arab countries, they just don't teach them about all the LGPT stuff you teach your kids, ya, and no school-shooting. So the way I see it, you shouldn't be worrying about arab women, you got enough shit to fix at home first. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Chilwell on October 25, 2023, 02:42:35 PM I support the idea of peace prevailing between the two countries, but I can't begin to preach for it now in countries who don't want to hear it. The two nations are engaged in a long-running dispute and requesting that it end would be difficult given the loss of life, destruction of property, and other harm it has caused. With due respect sir/mama I think you got it wrong with all what you are have said because I don't think you know the history of what is bring this war all the time, is not that am taking side because am neither Palestine nor Israel but let try to speak the truth, Hamas attack first which few was not happy but the way Israel retaliate was very bad because they deliberately strike the Hospital saying they are targeting Hamas which was not their intentions.So let's allow them to dig it out with one another in this war so that the next time, the other country would learn on how not to attack first and seek for lasting peace. It is not today that people around the globe have been seeking for peace to happen between the people for Israel and Palestine. They choose not to be at peace with one another. They prefer to address themselves as enemies for lives. Assume you are in shoe of Palestine who was trying to help Israel when no one in the all world were rejecting them, Palestine gave them a land to settle down and now Israel are trying to claim the entire Palestine land by force and you are saying the should be watch them. Hamas are also fight for their right because is so pain when Israel are been suppored by America to chest Palestine. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Broly46 on October 26, 2023, 02:18:51 PM It is comfortable to say whatever seem fit when we watch them fight from another planet that is very far away from the conflict. It would be a nightmare to handle when the conflict just spark right before your door. Imagine you are in the school and there is school shooting just next to your room, can you still say the same? I would side with the shooter to save my own neck without second thoughts, good luck to side with the victims while trying to act hero!
Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: bayu7adi on October 28, 2023, 11:58:13 PM Quote Consider when large parts of the Arab world do drop their backward religious thought somewhat -> prosperity, women can go to school etc. Religion and prosperity are not related by any means, the Arabs don't need to drop their religion for prosperity, you can check the GDP scale to figure that much out, and for schools, 55.8% of graduates in Saudi Arabia for example, are women. Women do go to school in ALL Arab countries, they just don't teach them about all the LGPT stuff you teach your kids, ya, and no school-shooting. So the way I see it, you shouldn't be worrying about arab women, you got enough shit to fix at home first. When someone gets a luxurious worldly life in a way that deviates from religious rules, they will get a world of wealth, wealth, position, popularity and so on. But he sacrificed a much more eternal afterlife. Meanwhile, for people who live based on religious guidance, they will only feel pain in this world, because according to the book, life in this world is not longer than life in the afterlife. That means, people who suffer because they carry out Islamic religious orders will get heaven as promised by the book in the afterlife. Then, Arabia is now starting to experience a setback in terms of religion because some regulations are starting to seem to relax the religious aspect. It might sound strange to hear that in the Islamic religion women are not allowed to leave the house except for basic needs. Strange isn't it? But it is real if you apply the rules written in the book. Meanwhile, if it is related to the conflict that occurred in Palestine, here it might be due to religious conflict. Jewish Zionists are mentioned in Islamic religious books, that Jews have thoughts above the average people in the world, and there are Zionist groups who tend to like to denigrate the existence of other people or other religions. Hamas defends what it has, and the Jewish Zionist wants to take over what he feels was promised to him by inhumane means. Everyone loves peace, but not people who are greedy and have wild thoughts like a war-hungry country. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: Hewlet on November 04, 2023, 07:27:43 PM Regardless of the differences in belief and religious affiliation, for the sake of humanity and for the sake of the so many children that have died as a result of this war it has gotten to the point we really need to call it a wrap regarding the whole war stuff.
Unfortunately, the value of our lives has been brought so low that we don't even feel sympathy for our little children who are suffering in this crisis and we have been busy supporting either of these people fighting to defend there ego. Let's support peace rather than war and violence. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: JeromeTash on November 04, 2023, 08:15:12 PM ---- Let's be realistic... How do you stand for peace where there's already an on going war where thousands of Civilians are victims?, but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. And let's not try to turn a blind eye on who or why this war is there is the first place. Title: Re: Don't Stand With Either Palestine Or Israel Post by: btc78 on November 24, 2023, 01:21:43 AM ---- , but stand for PEACE. I STAND FOR PEACE. And let's not try to turn a blind eye on who or why this war is there is the first place. “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim” Op is basically saying they’re neutral on this take of course everyone hopes for peace but to criticize one country doesn’t mean you hate all its citizens and would wish terribly for them go back on your history lessons because the conflict between Israel and Palestine goes a long way this war did not start because of the hamas attack nor will it end because of it |