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Today I witness something very strange in the area where I live recently. There was a gambling shop that was not too far from where I am staying, so every day different gamblers visit the shop to bet on games, some win and some don't win a dime.

So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.

However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

Online gambling sites still have the probability of holding bettors funds for one reason or another, so to me this does not seem like a solid reason why users should start using online gambling site.

And since no one was able to get in touch with that agent it’s very possible that the reason why he’s gone into hiding is different from that, so unless he’s found and he confessed that he truly had to hid because of the money then I will take this thread with a grain of salt.

I do think it's a good idea though, not everyone would like to gamble online just like we do here on the forum. A lot of people prefer traditional gambling as they feel more comfortable playing offline. There's no guarantee that even the online gambling sites won't do away with you money, so how every you choose to gamble, you have to be smart and use a more reliable medium to play. Most of local bet shops these days, don't pay in cash but funds you using bank transfer using your betting slip so I don't think the situation is common. But still we should be bet wisely.

Chase that agent company as they are the one liable for your losses and they have to give you what you’ve won. It’s too risky to gamble on this kind of agent casino, better to check first if they are a legit business before you gamble. That win can be big, and hopefully that gambler get the money he deserved. If you are doubtful about any small casinos, better not to gamble that much and just gamble online with the best site with this, it can give you an assurance that you will get money when you win and the good site will not run.

Nah, that case doesn't have to do with online gambling being the best for most gamblers. We can't generalize that physical betting is not the best to consider for most gamblers as both have pros and cons and gamblers have different considerations.

That story of yours might be an isolated case or that gambling shop is not a registered business.

I don't find any advantage of the owner running away since if the business is legit, they have the ability to cover all the winnings and since they are registered, running away does mean the owners just put a danger on their name of being a wanter person.

If the said business is not registered or legit, then I think the obvious ones to blame on that story are the gamblers themselves.

Any dealing or transactions with having those  intermediary will really be always have the risks for those money to be ran away and this is something the risks.This is why if you do have plans on trying to gamble or make out some betting then it would be always better that you should really be making those direct transactions rather than on making yourself that involved with this kind of option on which
its never been that recommendable on doing so and you are really just putting up yourself onto such condition that those huge winnings would really be ran away and in result then the site you are dealing will unlikely be patching up the money that had been ran away just because they had already paid up and it is really just that the agent did make out such move.

In result? There's nothing you can do but cry and file up some complaints if ever you do know such information legally but in regarding on such situation then this would be that
somewhat pointless yet there's no way about on retreiving those amounts back and this is something that most likely to happen. Therefore, dont make yourself that
hopeful but as much as possible as long you could see some leads then its not that bad to take up some actions.

Well, it is not every gambler that will play online, some gamblers will keep placing bets in physical casinos and bet places until they stop gambling. For these people, their preference to gambling is not gambling online and some of these kind of people are even on this forum. How can these people avoid being in that kind of problem? Play and gamble only in physical Casino's where you can see evidence from set up that they will not be tempted to cheat you of your money when it is not the biggest money they have successfully paid out.

A reputable gambling site can at least give you an assurance but still it is not guaranteed since they can also run away and take your money as well so better not to be complacent about it.

What happened to that gambler? Is he filling charges against that agent and still hoping for his money?
Too bad if the agent becomes greedy and run away with your winnings, maybe that business is not doing good and can’t pay the big wins from the gambler. If you know this kind of businesses make sure to know who’s the owner so you can file a case agains him.

Go to the office of that agent, or to the office of which gambling entity he is affiliated. Tell them what happened and present evidences that the agent ran away with the winnings. Worst case that could happen is they tell you that they'll speak with the man and never heard from them again, but it's still worth the shot. Your friend must be very pissed after what happened, and I know I am too. I hope this becomes a lesson to your friend, that he needs to play on reputable sites instead of some pop-up gambling shops that seems sketchy at best.

One thing people should do well to remember is that on the outside a business may look to be completely legitimate, however if you were to really investigate more about it you will find out that it was not, so the people behind it can run away with your money and you will not have too many tools at your disposal to use against it, and while I hope this person is able to get the winnings he deserves, I do not think this is likely at all taking into account the details about this case.

Its good reasons to start questioning gambling centeres because these incidents have happen repeatedly on severe occasions. Some gamblers never believed this story until they experienced it themselves and trust me, it would be one of the most touchable and tragic moment in their life's. Playing gambling for life is an unwise decision which will see us to our early graves. Funny how your narrative story turns out to end, a gambling worker flee away with customer's winnings, it would definitely be a good reason why the worker flee because he or she might have never see such figures before or he or she is in debts that needs to be pay off.

This is an experience I have witnessed twice this year from different betshop agents too in my locality and it's like it's becoming a trend among gambling shop agents to elope with gamblers huge winning as a means to escape poverty and start a new life somewhere. Due to this in avoiding this disaster I only gamble at mega gambling agent shops cause it's obvious that it's those small gambling shops that these agents acts in this manner, more like a predetermined act that made them to register as agents to gambling companies in the country.

Aside making bets in mega shops I think people should also avoid placing bets with huge potential amount of winning in betshops, the can manage to do so with bet of no significant amount to be won but when it comes to huge amount online gambling with a reputable gambling site or casino/sportbetting company is the safe place for that.

If the gambler have his winning ticket   then he can approach the casino office I your neighbourhood to claim his winning,  because for as much as I know is that the casino agent can not run away with the money and if that is his thought then he should be the dumbest dude ever,  for god sake how can you run with casino money where there already have all you details to start with.

In most cases,  there have been a lot of controversies as to what and how these games are played out and paid out, because the winning may still be with the casino itself until the winner comes with the right ticket to claim the reward, and a lot of times,  it does seem that they the agent get caught up along the line.

An isolated case in mu opinion but I do wonder what kind of game it is ‘coz there’s a schedule for that game. Also, since this is a landbased casino, or the agent is more likely affiliated with a casino, then the player could just go directly to it concerning agent’s misconduct. If it is comparison between landbased and gambling sites even with good reputation, gambling sites could turn to a fraud if they would want to especially for a really huge amount, with ease. Think of how many online casinos are being acused and reported as fraudalent; reason is not all online platforms are registered to any government, making it easy for people behind it to hide their identity. Given that both has risks for the same concern, we just cannot help its occurence so better be preventive of the amount you would engage to any platform.

That's why I don't trust agents like that. They're a common sight in my country's online and land-based casino scene and more often than not they do more damage than help. A lot of them don't have the integrity to give winners their appropriate prizes even though they're already earning a buttload of money from the referral commissions that they earn from the people. Classic greed mechanics.

In my opinion just stick to what we've been accustomed to my friend, don't reinvent the wheel and risk losing your money and your trust in the casino business. Just play on your own and play on gambling sites with no intermediaries.

Online gambling is still the best but they still have their own deficiencies  too, because most times you have to do a lot of verifications and kyc before you can actually touch your money after winning a bet. But I think is the most effective, because your money will be credited your bet account easily and to to agent account.
But this particular incident you are describing, I'm trying to understand.
 is it that the money that was won by the person that placed the bet was credited into the betting agent account, if that is the case, the original winner of the bet can take up the matter to the betting company direct with his bet ticket, I believe the bet company will do something about it.

The gambler use the gambling sites to hold their funds for the longer period,because the gambling site was the safer one to hold the money which you kept for the gambling.And you no need to use to pay more fee for the transaction or deposit of dollars to the gambling sites all the time.The gambler can use the gambling site without using the agent for the gambling.In the ancient days the gambler use the agent for the gambling and agent for the trading.Now the transaction was very straight one,the gambler can do the gambling by the direct interaction with the gambling site.So no money need to pay as the commission to the gambling.

Especially in the evolution of sports betting today, online sportsbooks nowadays are the only good option, providing the flexibility to place bets at your convenience with a many options and features, better safety, and the comfort of doing it from home while watching the game. Beside that payouts of your winnings are made almost instantly. I don’t understand why some people still opt for traditional betting methods knowing the high possibility of having issues, mistakes or even face scam for one bet.

This story you shared is a lesson for that player who placed trust in that agent, and I bet that the odds he offered him were so low compared to sportsbook. I doubt that this guy is aware of online casinos that offer live betting otherwise the events that agent is offering might not be listed in sportsbooks? For someone who knows everything and still continues to bet the old way, it’s a madness.

I may need clarifications on this. Does it mean the customer can't withdraw directly from the betting website. Where they booked games. Is the agent affiliated to their payments? Agents work for the website. Players can easily stake games online with their gadgets. And avoid these agents. It's really a sad regular story. Lots of players keep having problems with the agent not having sufficient money to pay their wins. Despite being credited by the betting company. I don't understand why people use the betting agent to stake game. And not prefer gambling completely online. No where is safe for gamblers. Similar kind of problem we always see about online casinos ripping player's money. The offline agents doing such thing are meddling with their reputations. Because people will never patronize them again. And he'll also lose out lots of profits as a result of not being punctual to work. By running from his customers.

 
The owner of the shop is the agent, I guess. But, he is affiliated to the company. Knowing the owner of the company is quite difficult. They can be known by their online profiles, but seeing them in real life would be hard. Gambling consists of a lot of players who you cannot trust. Even the owner, agent or follow gamblers. Most of them need fast money. That's why we seen series of bad stories tagged to gambling. The best for players is to stake carefully and not trust so much any agent or platform with our wins.

Yes, it’s actually more risky to trust online gambling sites than to bet at a physical betting shop wherein you will personally meet the owner of the shop. At least, you know that shop has no ghost manager, unlike most of the online gambling sites that are only using random names to act as their gambling consultant or manager that we don’t even know if those people really exist or not. And because of that, our funds will be put at a high risk as they can hold it or run it anytime especially if we are winning at a consistent basis.

that is true, we can't conclude in general what may happen to offline betting shops. this doesn't happen to all of them, as you said, such situation is an isolated case and we don't know the reasons behind such hiding. such similar situation may also happen to online bookies, if the bookie itself is running low or has no enough bankroll or just don't want to pay their winning bettor. they can run away as well or better yet, ban or block your account esp those known bookies with unresolved cases.

I have also witnessed cases like this before where agents ran away with people's money, but the truth is that they find many of them because the person who played the game can go and report the case to the bet headquarters. And in that case, the bet company will look for gents to pay their customers because before any person opens the bet shop under any bet company, the person must drop their documents. But the best reason to be on the safer side is to get your account online. So only always control everything yourself. As for my gain, I don't even like to bet on shops but only on my bet account, and all this is for personal security because if someone wins a large amount of money on a shop, people will get notifications easily.

They can't run to anywhere if that betting shop is a registered and licensed one, I can recall a similar case like that when someone win's huge amount of money and yet to be cashed out, immediately the owner of the shop decided to leave. I mean he closed his shop and never opened for some days what they did was to report the agent to officially site and the block his account not to withdraw any amount until he goes to the head office with the winners by then those gamblers were asked to come with their betting slips to know how much each everyone that bet in his units won and lastly everyone took their money.

Then bounce back to online gambling, well I can't say they are not trusted and reliable but most times when you have a better chances of winning higher amount those casino operators can easily suspect a fault or scam attempt to lock your account after which you would written for several times but won't be opened instead they will open their ToS especially the ones in their favor to make them confiscate your funds without you getting any even after submitting several kyc. I think I have came across issues like this at the scam accusation board.

This is quite weird. Well the owner of the shop ks the one going to bear the brunt and not the customer who had won the money. This case doesn't even concern the customer and if the owner decides pay up, the customer can seek legal action.

Another reason why you should carry out a proper background check before employing anyone. We do not just deal with gambling addicts, also deal with thieves in physical sports bookies.

Then the gambler should just complain to the gambling site and hear the response that they will give. The gambling company should be held responsible for not having a reputable agent, and I'm sure the company is going to have more information about the agent that can be used to track him down, maybe his permanent home address or other information. I don’t just like visiting gambling shops to gamble for so many reasons. If you gamble in a physical gambling shop and you win, then you are not safe, you can be tracked and robbed. But if you gamble online, nobody knows the amount of money you win and you can’t be tracked.
 
I know both online and physical gambling have advantages and disadvantages, but I still prefer gambling online to visiting gambling shops. But some people find it boring whenever they are alone gambling, they prefer to gamble where there is a crowd.

Well, this first of all has a cultural, village aspect, that is, in the 21st century this exists in many places, people like to bet, and the social, economic and technological conditions do not prevent it, as long as there is someone willing to bet. To make a bet, you only need a table and the game of chance on it, that's all.

I don't know what's strange about this news (story) it's something that happens, then, if the site is illegal, there is no possible claim before the legal entities, you would end up in prison for playing on illegal sites, if it is legal, they will pay you whenever they want, then the moral is, you are so addicted to a bet to avoid making it in a seedy place...

In fact, I mentioned that these types of places exist in towns far from the main cities, but the reality is that "the table and the game of chance on it" can be found even in the best hotel room in Las Vegas, So regardless of the luxury of the table, if you are somewhere betting, your safety and the money you bet are associated with the common sense of the place where you put your ass on that table and the game of chance on it.

There are dangers everywhere, we are not exempt, but we must minimize the risks associated with payments and our own physical security, those two variables are not so difficult to follow, the variance in each bet is already "fk" us, so reduce it to just random for each bet you make, and try to ensure that the physical space and those who pay you are reliable.

I understand that gambling shops are popular in some parts of the world like Africa and Eastern Europe... people visit these shops to place their bet via agents of the big casinos and betting companies. A good percentage of those who patronise these shops are the elderly and less educated people who do not know how to go about registering and playing online. So they are constrained to patronise these shops.

Just like the experience you narrated, the risk of gambling in these shops is high and I have seen a couple of times where the agents ran away especially when there is a major winning.

The best they can do is to report to the police, who will take a very long time to find the agent who would have ghosted to a very interior village or probably travelled abroad.

Just because of this one incident happening doesn't mean that your claim that you can't trust gambling houses that have agents, it's just that the business that hired that agent didn't do their due diligence of investigating the person before hiring them. The only saving grace to the situation that you're talking about would be that the owner would still pay the person and conduct an investigation to arrest or apprehend the agent.

That's what I thought too, background checks does wonders although given the limited information, it's safe to also assume that the gambling shop did their due diligence of background check and this was just the moment that the agent finally found the price for selling his soul/dignity.

A reputable gambling site will never cheat any gambler like this. Maybe the casino you mentioned is a scam site where a player doesn't pay the money when they lose but runs away with the money. Did the gambler complain to the law about the agent? 
If that is the case I think he will never get his money back from the agent as he has run away and is not easy to catch. But if such a gambling platform treats the players in this way then the casino will never survive and will be shut down within few days. Moreover, I think it is better not to bet on such gambling sites, because online casinos pay the most nowadays. And there are very few platform scams if go to good online gambling sites and bet, players are never scammed by those agents but pay their winnings.

Well, it can also happen even in online casinos. They can hold your winnings, accuse a gambler of cheating or breaking a certain rules (even it's not the case). Therefore regardless where you gamble, the risk is always there.

BUT this can only happen if the casino or betting shop are shady or they're real scammers. People who run their business legitimately won't dare to ruin their names since it's not easy to build a good reputation. In agent's shop, if the workers run away with the money, the owner must pay it since it's his/her responsibility. Moreover it's partly his fault by hiring a dishonest workers.

A good number of knowledgeable players use these shops to stake games. Mostly for virtual games. The interesting thing about gambling shop is the social activities. Some gamblers would want to discuss with other like minds. It's fun. But, these mistakes is what keeps most people like myself away from gambling shops. Although, while in the shop the agent can pay cash, or convince the winner to come the next day. I think the agent used such technique to dismiss the player. Then made his moves to wherever he is today. Leaving behind the gambler. Since nobody helps them in booking the game, then most of them are learned people. Managing such a business is not easy. It requires a high management skill. A lot of gambling shops crumble, and they'll be waiting for a big win, boom rug-pull. He can't take giving out huge amount to his customer and remain with no fund. Adding that the money came through him. You see, these agents have a plan B. Some will shut down and never pop up again, while others can be opening from time to time. Reasonable agents while away work hard to replenish their customer, such as to open their shop again. Volatility can happen in their business, and not being able to hold the money and utilize it well, can be a problem when a huge amount is meant to be paid to a winner. I know they have their own profits, each play. With good business strategy, they'll have enough left to take care of wins, without feeling like stealing it. 

Above all, the agent should be penalized by the company. Their moves affect negatively the reputation of the gambling platform. If some shop survive the business, and see great profits through it. I think those who have difficulty managing such a business, know little about the business. Before setting it up. Some rush to hire multiple staff, which managing them would be another expenses. So, while using gambling shops, we need to know who we're going to their shop. Whether they have good reputation and history.

I agree with you regarding the social activities and fun part of the gambling shops. Just like you said, VFL is one aspect of gambling that is booming and mostly played in the shops even though it is also played online.
However, that does not remove the part that majority of those who actually gamble in these shops are the least educated and probably the elderly. I have visited such shops on several occasions just for the fun part of it but even while in the shop I gamble with my phone online. I replied you just to make this clarifications so that we are on the same page.

It's really unlikely you are going to face any issues when playing at a popular and reputable online casino and sportsbook, if you are a legit player. The chances of being scammed are much higher when playing at those physical shops, as the public is limited and the house doesn't have much influence and popularity, so it's more likely they have nothing to lose when scamming players, while a global platform dealing with thousands of gamblers from every corners in the world will be very careful when denying a payment to a winner, since they have much more to lose through a single mistake that may cost their entire base of customers.

however it depends on the gambler himself. like offline casinos, it gives a different playing sensation to every gambler. meet lots of people, chat about anything, and drink. There is a sensation when you go to an offline gambling place that of course you won't get when you play online.
I'm sure the experience you described occurred at an illegal gambling place. It would be different if you played in a legal place and situationally it would make the gambler happy.

every gambler has their preferences. although for me personally, online gambling is more comfortable for me who doesn't really like crowds.

Don't these kinds of "shops" have a registration or something? Well at least in mine, registrations are required at a certain point, and considering this was related to gambling, I would've reckoned that they needed said permits to continue their business. Even if there wasn't any, you'd usually see some contracts restricting the agent from being able to just run away willy-nilly from their customers in the blink of an eye, otherwise, no one would trust these said agents(regardless if the one was at fault was the owner/manager/employee). I'd partly blame the customer here really.

I haven't really personally experienced using gambling agents (nor do I see any use for them), but from what I looked up they're there to make the lives of bettors and bookies easier, kind of like real estate agents, but from what I know of said agents, you need to know what you're reading/doing before even being able to hire them, which a lot of people really don't.

The question is, is the betting agent legit or it is a just a fly by night betting shop? If it is a legit betting agent then maybe he has a chance to pursue legal means about the owner. However, if it is just a illegal and fly by night betting shop, I doubt that the winner can go after the owner of the shop as he might simply disappear and never return.

I have been betting on a legitimate betting shop but I haven't encounter this situation. If I won, I will just go there, sometimes they will say that they don't have the money yet and if I'm willing to wait or just go to other legit betting shop to claim my price. Usually legit betting sites have the government approval first, like a lottery or even a horse race betting shop.

This is completely new to me. Countries where gambling is restricted, we can't see such shops for the purpose of gambling. This is kind of making the people's ignorance. Maybe in the future we won't encounter such issues happening around as people gets used to the gambling platforms and makes use of it. In my country during the IPL season we will be able to see more such agents working in the underground. Quite often government also runs raids and seize big money and arrest the agents. Whats been mentioned by OP also looks like similar incident and a police complaint might help in recovery the money and catch the fraud agent.

IMO, this is just about the bankroll that the bookie or betting agent has. I can understand why the betting agent ran away with the money of the bettor who had won the bet because the agent felt unable to pay the customer winnings because the money he had was not enough to pay it and he thought that if he paid the winnings the customer would go bankrupt.

and related to online gambling, you will experience the same thing, only he dont run away but refuse to pay your winnings for various reasons and worse, sometimes you refuse to pay your customers winnings by accusing them of violating the gambling rules.
so there is a maximum limit on the number of bets on various reputable online gambling sites to limit the amount of big winnings that can be paid by the gambling party and all of this has been calculated from the amount of bankroll owned by the gambling party.

maybe I can appreciate your point about reputable online gambling being the best for gamblers because it has a maximum betting limit which is different from the betting agent next to where you live which may not provide a maximum betting limit and this is just my opinion.

My assumption the "shops" that @OP discussed above is an illegal shops, that's why someone can easily escape and there's nothing they can do, especially if gambling is illegal on there. If you go to a court and make a report if there's a scammer run away with the gambler money, you could be jailed since you broke your country rules lol.

The case is the same as my friend where I warned him not to bet at the gambling shop because it is not certain that his winnings will be paid and it turns out that when he won the bet, the owner of the gambling shop ran away and never returned to that place, that's why I always introduce online casinos. to the people who live around my house, where technology is now increasingly advanced so they can gamble online. Even people who don't understand technology will eventually learn because they want to gamble safely.

But from cases like this it can be a lesson for everyone not to trust the gambling shops around us too much, it's better to just gamble on online casino sites which are currently abundant on the internet and easy to find, lots of casino games, sports betting and so on. other.  ;)

Nor totally correct, their are some online casino that has done similar thing like this. This is something that can happen in physical gambling shop or even online casinos.  I think when playing gambling both in physical shop or online casinos people just need to be careful,  smart and observant how these gambling companies operate if they are really reliable places to play gambling. So I don't think it is only in the physical gambling shops that bad events like this can take place.

Gamblers needs to get other customers reviews of gambling companies they play bet with just to know if their are good ratings for people to be sure it is safe to play bets.

That is a crazy story, why should the betting agent run away after one successful bet from his customer? Maybe he has lost the money in some other way, but still it doesn't make a lot of sense to run away from him. One bad bet alone shouldn't be the reason for someone to abandon his whole business and flee the city. It's not like you can just avoid some people forever and just act like nothing happened. Once the word gets out that you are not paying out winnings then your business as a betting agent it over. It's hard to say more about the situation without knowing additional details, but to me it seems like an overreaction. Hopefully the agent comes to his senses and will pay out the winner. No reason to shed a bad light on the whole industry by the wrong actions of one individual. I agree with you that we should be careful when betting larger amounts with independent betting agents, maybe it would have been better to choose one of the big casino names instead.

I guess that by "gambling shop" you mean sports betting/bookmaker "shop"?
Those sports betting offline places(and the sports betting agents, who run them) must have a license to conduct such kind of business.
If this bookie didn't have a license, he is most likely a scammer. I don't know where do you live. The story you are describing seems to have happened in some underdeveloped country in Africa, Asia or Latin America. I highly doubt that such thing would happen in a European country.
Online sports betting platforms aren't necessarily more secure than offline bookmaker shops. The gamblers will always have to careful, it doesn't matter if they are placing bets online or offline.

That's the risk of using a betting agent; it's like a third-party or bridge for your bets. Why not just use online gambling sites? I'm sure there are plenty out there that are reputable enough to trust with your money. That way, we can also keep our gambling activity hidden, putting us under the radar of those with criminal minds. Not only do we have online gambling sites in the world of crypto, but also in fiat currencies. However, it's easier here in crypto, so I guess they should explore the possibilities to gamble without an agent.


And they will play the blame game, a real hassle on your part! Just take it easy and use online casinos instead. You'll have peace of mind that way.

If you can find a trusted betting agent, you will not experience cases of fraud like what this man experienced. He will not worry about his betting agent because he is trusted by many people, although there is still a possibility that the betting agent will run away with all his money.

Nothing is safe when it comes to money because people can act beyond our expectations, especially when it comes to money, people will do anything to get it, including the betting agent who ran away. For this reason, we must be able to choose the betting agent correctly so that no problems arise. And it's the same as when you look for online gambling sites. If you can find a trusted online gambling site, especially an online gambling site, on this forum, you won't worry about any problems that might arise.

If anyone is dealing with a betting agent, one should make sure that he is an authentic and trusted betting agent. These days, anyone can claim himself a betting agent, get money from you and then run away with your money. A professional betting agent will never do such things as he makes a lot of income being a trusted agent.

Even I know there are betting agents who are so trusted, that they never meet you, and you just tell them your bet and deposit money in their accounts and all this correspondence is done through mobile or WhatsApp. It is always better to investigate the repute of the betting agent before transferring your money to him.

Even if such an agent has a good reputation, the fact that they hold the money for betting can be very risky. They might get tempted when facing financial problems – it's a very human trait. In comparison, when you deposit funds directly with a casino that has a reputation to uphold, they have a bigger interest in keeping your money secure and paying you when you win. Their reputation is their main asset in maintaining a profitable business.

Provided a Casino/sportsbook survives the first month of operation, then these guys will register some profits and according to your wording these guys have been running this business for a while and I don't think they have ran away as they have the money to payout any winners.
Besides these brick and mortar businesses need to adhere to other regulatory obligations and maybe that's what they are sorting out, give it some time and they will open...and in this day and age users need to move to more convenient channels like gambling online with is a 24/7 service without having to worry about a closed shop.

An employee running away with company money should not be your problem, before setting up such a business some capital is secured to show capacity to pay which is why maximum payouts are set to avoid failure to pay... otherwise any internal lose cannot be passed on the clients.

Well it means that those betting agent is not actually going after to run a clean business since they run when someone win maybe a big amount on their shop. Maybe if the amount is really worth to chase then the person who won the amount should report it to authorities so that that betting agent will be sued and maybe pay what he owes to the winner. Also maybe we would provably know what is the reason about his escape since if it show that they can't really pay their winners then maybe it can affect those other betting shop and costumers might think the same thing happen to them if they bet on those shops again.

In that case maybe we should seek the background first of the betting shop then see if they have license to operate the business so that we would provably know that we can go after with them and have some assurance that we can get our winnings.

Betting agents are not very trustworthy when it comes to online gambling so it is very difficult to get their information if they run away. Therefore before starting the gambling game you should know about these agents well. In order to facilitate the service in the case of betting the matter of appointing an agent is stuck in the plan and scammed. If you think you are starting to experience problems with betting then read the terms and conditions and privacy policy about the agents before you start betting. So you will know what rules to follow and get to know professionals who will always help you.

Or, a reputable sports bookie. Those who are positioned in some malls or other activity buildings, I am pretty sure those are legitimate ones and they have nowhere to run since their business information is linked to the building and they can be sued anytime. Perhaps the bet of the man who won was too high that the agent that you said could not pay it any longer so he just ran away thinking that is the only solution he have or else he will be cornered.

Online gambling sites are the best choice indeed, but what if the odds do differ from those physical sports bookies? A 0.1 difference is a high number if you are betting in thousands of dollars and they would want that especially if they are making a long parlay.
Also, the country's restrictions on online sports bookies are another wall to those who want to gamble, and using a VPN is not a good solution since it will jeopardize their accounts and the money in it.

A reputable online casino is controlled by human, so the owner might get tempted too and not want to pay the winnings to the gambler. So it's not make sense if you think only offline casino would scam, actually when you scam in real life, the chance you will get caught is higher than you scam through online.

Have 1xbit's owner go to jail after scamming many gamblers since few years ago? nope.

The victim should be happy that the worst the worker can do was to run away with the money which I believe can be resolved if the victim takes the right approach by using the law, that runaway criminal will be found and the money will be recovered from him.

I actually don't get involved with gambling, not until it's accessible via the internet, because there are many stories happening in my country where a lucky gambler will win life changing money in a casino and criminals will visit them at home, they are either killed for the money after taking everything from them or they just take the money.

This is why I said this victim is lucky, the casino worker choose to use this stupid way to run away with the gamblers money and he doing so turned him into a wanted criminal, if the victim go straight to a police station they will start investigating the matter, there is always someone who knows these casino workers and how they can find them.

The reason for this is simple.... the smaller gambling shops or agents operate with small bankrolls, so they do not have a lot of funds to payout large wins. They will then close shop and move to another area, where they will start taking bets again... until someone bet large amounts or win large amounts and then they run again.

This is why I am not signing up with smaller casinos, because they do the same thing.... "fly-by-night" operations. I will fist see what other people experience and then when I see that the casino honor their withdrawals, then I will create an account.  ;)

An underage fella was stabbed to death because he failed to buy some useless guys bottles of wine after he won, I hate local casino locations and den, it's never safe especially in a country with hard economy, the zeal of forcefully taking some others is in the eye of every souls, I don't know here you are from but this is what I am getting in my country, the harder the situation of the country the more crime will be on every streets.

Internet have made things a bit easier for gamblers, I am so against casino locations, anything can happen to you if you win a big amount, and words travel faster than anything, it will reach the ear of bad people.

Grab your PC or your smart phone and start gambling, if you lose it's your problem, and if you win it's also your problem, no one will know how much you win or lose and that makes you safer than leaving your home to gamble in a location.

I have seen some casinos on this forum end up being scams. Therefore, if I gamble, I will choose a reputable and trustworthy casino. One way I assess casinos on this forum is by looking at the activeness of the ANN threads they have. I prefer to gamble on gambling sites on this forum because if something happens then I can complain via their ANN thread

Since gambling is about money, trust and reputation are paramount. Maybe I often lose when gambling but being cheated is something different and worse than losing

I think betting agents only exist on land not for online gambling because in online gambling of course every gambler bets on the betting options provided by the casino and almost all gamblers use large trusted casinos with very good reputations so whatever winnings they get it impossible for the casino to don't pay it because it can damage the reputation and there is chance that the casino will experience bad things such as customers leaving without anyone wanting to return to deposit money there.

Talking about what the OP said here it actually happens lot in any country even in the area where I live which is an area where there are quite lot of gamblers there are still often several cases where the betting agent runs away when the gambler wins large and the agent bets here are usually called mines.
This is profitable business because many older gamblers who cannot access online sites go to shops to be able to spend their money in sports betting or lottery options but some agents take advantage of the opportunity if someone wins big by taking away the winnings and this is why there are more and more many gamblers also prefer to bet at online casinos.

If the betting shop has a license the license can be revoked including the business permit, the manager is obligated to pay the winner even if the gambling agent runs away with the money, he owns the shop and it is part of his obligation on the license and permit is to pay the winners regardless of the situation.

There are advantages and disadvantages to playing online and offline, and it is to your own advantage to always play with a license and with a good reputation online and offline, however, you have a better chance offline because the casino is bound by the laws to protect their citizen and you are one of the citizens that your government will protect against scam offline casinos.

Sometimes I even prefer betting in a physical shop that I know is legit and the shop is under a legal betting company. This case is very simple: if the guy in question has his betting slip intact, then there is nothing to be worried about here.
 
All the man has to do is look for another agent that can take him to the head office or locate one by himself, then go there with the proof of the game that he won, and the slip in his hand will be checked to see if the game was truly won or not, and if it was won, then the company will pay him.

If it happens that the owner of the shop has already credited that winning to his agent account, then the man will have to leave the case with the company as they have solid information about the agent (shop owner) and they can easily locate him. In such a case, there is a possibility that the person will receive back the already-wined amount.

You don't need to relate to what actually happened based on what the OP shared. The fact that an agent is involved, they could be blamed for mishandling money, and yet the shop could continue to operate. It's easy for them to blame one of our agents for fraudulent activity. You can sue the agent, but the shop might keep going. They can come up with excuses and not necessarily take measures to prevent it from happening again.

Now, let's compare this with a gambling site. Say you're gambling on a reputable and popular one. If they don't pay your winnings, you can always make a scam accusation against their them. Since you'd get people's attention, both gamblers and potential gamblers, it could damage their reputation significantly. Regardless of the amount of money you complain about, the damage is substantial because you're attacking their reputation in the process.

Think about it this way: you could accuse them of stealing your $100, but if they're a major gambling site, they might lose $1 million due to your proven scam accusation. So, I think they wouldn't want that to happen in the first place because it would mean hurting their business. In the event they scam, it wouldn't be for one person only; they'd most likely be looking to pull an exit scam.

I have no idea if its the same, but it's possible that the agent is not an employee of the betting shop like in our country. Some agents assist the gamblers to bet, they will be the one to collect and submit the bets one by one. They only ask for a commission if they win. Because if it is an employee of the betting shop, then the man would already talk to the owner already and be able to find that agent.

The information provided by OP is not actually complete, but if the agent is an actual employee, the owner is also responsible for what happened. They are liable to cooperate with the man who won and should give every information they know.

This experience is painful because the gambler has been losing bets before and now he is been denied his clear win. The gambler should report the issue to the zonal or headquarters of the gambling company, maybe they might help in tracking the betting agent. And he should be made to face the wrath of the law if he is finally arrested this will serve as a lesson to others.

There are many people who will always prefer physical gambling to betting online and they have genuine reasons for that. One of the reasons is that many of them are not literate so they will always the the assistance of physical attendants to place their bets. Some are not also computer or internet literate which means in-house gambling will be their best choice. I have seen people who claim that it is easier to track or trace physical casinos than online gambling house that has no physical presence. They assume that it will be easier for an online casino to pull an exit scam because it cannot be easily tracked or sued.  

Well, I will say that you left me no choice. But to agree with you on one hand, yes, even the online gambling site can go with gamblers' money, but I do say it is still a bit safer than the offline shops.

The reason why I have to agree with you is because I have noticed that there is nothing that can not be compromised, just like the case of SBF (https://www.coinage.media/sbf-trial?gclid=Cj0KCQjwm66pBhDQARIsALIR2zAGRtw0KxY4kxb1BMbEtifZeRsbuea7kS7Lry7xUQkgxU3Zmes5J2IaAgdyEALw_wcB) which almost everybody knows about how it all happened, so if an exchange can short down with people money, so what more for gamble.
However, even some of the local betting shops are reputable and safe for gambling fans, such as some online gambling sites.

@rachael9385, for me it's not an oddity, we often find agents like that in illegal gambling shops, generally occurs in lottery betting, sports are also targeted by related illegal agents.

However, not all agents act dishonestly in betting, there are also those who are honest, they stick to their commitments and are responsible for all winnings, of course, as you said, there are also quite a few agents who take the money and run.

I have seen several cases of agents running away, most of them were reported to the authorities, if you are one of their victims/agents, just report it to the authorities for embezzling money and opening an illegal gambling shop, so that the agent will be arrested and brought to justice.

This is easier said than done. Scammers and fake agents are now smart and are most probably using fake identities in order to perpetuate their scams. I wouldn't be confident in taking these crooks into justice without learning of their ways first and how they really operate. It's always a nice habit to know who you are giving your money to, in this instance it's a gambling shop. Get to know the people around you, dig some information and keep your mouth shut that you know these things so if worse comes to worst, you have something that you can use against them and report them to the right authorities.

In which country have you seen this issue?
I mean, in most if not all, western countries its pretty obvious place bets only in reputable bookmakers....
But I have never heard something like this also because agents are earning from bets of people.
It they ran away with only one win (unless Is a six figures) mmmm thats not a profitable business ::)
It could be possible It was Just a scammer/fake agente?

Honestly, I don't know where you live, or what the background of the gambling shop agent is. because, in each country it is definitely different. However, you should first make a habit of checking whether the shop agent has been validated and clearly proven to have a guarantee for each of its customers. Or, we should check out an online casino.
This is important, because problems like the ones you describe could happen to anyone if they don't get used to checking the legitimacy of the shop or casino in question. Or it could be, if the shop agent is naughty and takes away the winnings of one of his customers. ideally, someone has won a big enough win, so the shop agent runs away. or, the shop is illegal and does not have large funds to pay out its customers' big winnings. The point is, there are many factors that cause cases like this to occur.

Well, referring to what you said, actually not all gambling shops do things like in the case you described in this thread. However, because now it is easier for us with online casinos and those we have in the community. Obviously, the main choice is to choose something that we are very familiar with. although, there will always be the potential for obstacles. however, because the casinos we have in the community are worthy of trust. The main choice instead of going to a gambling shop, it is more ideal to choose a crypto casino which is our favorite.

I'm yet to hear this kind of story and to me it is difficult to accept that in all good health and verification that the bettor won his bet then the agent or worker, or manager would run away with the potential winning, like how is that possible to happen if the gambling house is registered in the country gaming board or whatever agency that issues license and accredited it to operate.

In the first place, if the manager runs away with the winning, is he also closing his business or don't he have family?

Anyway, it is a lesson not to release your betting slip because that is even the first line of proof you have but I still don't believe agent or manager would run away without trace. And moreover, gambling houses have umbrella body despite how many sublets they have operating, so with your betting slip you can proof or confirm your winning because they already know someone won a bet from their system.

It seems you are getting it all wrong, however, a betting agent is a person (or company) who makes betting easy for you, by betting on your behalf. (https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+a+betting+agent&oq=who+is+a+betting+agent+&aqs=chrome.69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390i650l3.8060j0j4&client=ms-android-transsion&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=who%20is%20a%20betting%20agent), what I get from this is that an agent is a person who have an online gambling account that people pay there money to the agent for them to bet on a game and if they win, then the agent will withdraw the person's winning from the betting account and give to the bettor who won, and the agent get paid directly from the betting company directly, so I do say that it is easy for an agent to run away with bettors money if they really want to.

Talking about if the agent shop is licensed, as long as the betting company is licensed, I don't think that those betting shops are license too. Some of these agent shops just get registered under the betting company name. That's all, so even if an Agent run, you can't do anything unless the agent is caught red-handed.
The company pays the winnings directly to the agents' account, and it is only the agent that can withdraw and give it to the winner. That's all. It is just like someone or people using your betting account to bet on a game, and you alone have full access to the betting account. That's just it.

How much was the money he won that it seemed like the agent found worth running?
If it's worth more than $1M then the agent does have plans to disappear for good and live somewhere in Belize. Such a case where a lucky day turned into a nightmare.

I would probably let is slide if it happened to me if this is just a random case but if it happens twice or multiple times already I would already suspect the whole gambling house is ruled by a mob that targets a nobody who has no one else to turn to.

What about the polices or judges get bribed by the agents? :D there's also a possibility like that and the victim report will not be processed except there's a pressure from public or "big people". I think if we're just an Average Joe and not really understand with law, it's better to not associated with the court because there's also a chance we will become a perpetrator if we don't have a solid proof to back up our report.

So, when you get scammed, its better to learn from your mistake and move on.

it is hard to really trust people these days and the annoying part is that it will be very difficult to actually track him where you even start from there is no way he is getting that money back, it has happened, it is better to stay with reputable online betting sites I see someone talking about online gambling sites can withhold your money but I depend because if it is a reputable site they will not go into something that will affect there reputation and you can even sue the company directly I still prefer online gambling sites than putting my trust in gambling agents that can move with your money any day anytime. I noticed that once you have a win the gambling agent will start looking for means to get money from you,

This is one the terrible occasions a gambler can face. I think its up to legality of that business. In developed countries you can easily bring issue to court and freeze accounts of gambling agent until they pay. But you definitely need to have very legal proof. It is best to get professional help in such issues as you may need to recover big amount of money and money you pay to lawyer can be very minor compared to it. I still feel like its best sticking to online gambling cause you will have dozens of legit proofs in such issues...

That is a really rare case as even in my time the gambling companies who were represented by betting agents were very correct in paying every winning person as they had enough balance.I don't know where you live but bad people like this agent exist everywhere in the world and it is unfortunate that such person were the one where the gambler placed his winning bet.

Nevertheless nowadays who the hell gambles in gambling shops physically when online you have everything and they can fulfill any gamblers desire or requirement so I don't see any real reason as why people should continue to gamble in physical gambling shops,there is absolutely no reason except nostalgia ones.

If you are playing in a shop that pays right away, or some games that don't require days to get the result, if you play games like that or plus bet on that kind of games then a physical shop is much reliable than online betting platforms. Don't get me wrong, the reputable online gambling platforms do provide you with security, but anything could happen to it at any time. And that being an online platform, you can't do much about it.
Each and every platform either it is online or physical gambling platform will always carry a risk. It is up to us to find the right game and to gamble. If you take this into consideration, then I guess physical gambling places are better in a way. But as I said they both carries risk so we need to keep that in mind and gamble cautiously in every platform.

What has happened in the story is the equivalent of an online casino requesting for kyc documents when you apply to withdraw your phone's after winning or an online casino closing your account without giving you fair hearing based on some suspicion after you had one money. I see no difference at all.

It is sad that the agent ran away with the money but he can only run so far. With proper investigations he will be caught. In the meantime I hope the bet shop pays the Gambler his money and not give him any excuse for not doing so. It is no fault of his.

Well I believe we are almost saying the same thing depending on how you understood my earlier opinion. Also it depends on the jurisdiction that you are referring to and how gambling is operated there. The word agent as it is used in my locality regards to gambling is the outlet of a gambling company through which bettors bet and collect their winning if they have winning by proof from their slip and they are licensed by that gambling company to carry their name and logo to operate meaning even if the person that operates the franchise (runs away so to speak), he would be traced by the mother gambling company.

Except in terms of avoiding delay in payment, you can go bet in a bigger outlet agent where you know he is credible, reputable and fast in payment without stories.

Agreed that some agents delay in payment or are unscrupulous, what gamblers do is to avoid playing with them to avoid such stories if there have been traces of delay in payment.

The agent will be caught I believe because he built the business and people do recognize him and his staff, incase he has any.
The story OP told is no different from what you highlighted that happens even on online casinos. Worse is one may not be able to hold anyone or even afford to visit the location of the online casinos building. It's still a loss.

The only thing left is for individual gamblers, whether online or offline, should be vigilant enough to know a phony casino business or a bet shop business. Use a registered business for gambling of any sort, because the identity of the owners will be clear and easily trackable.

Online or actual gambling it’s still the same if you are using a crappy services. There’s still a lot of legit betting shop that can handle huge amount of bets without any sign of running away for a long time. They can have a consistent profit by just serving properly to its customers while running away will ruin his reputation plus jail time since he will surely be reported to the authorities.

Same with online casino, there’s some online casino that freeze or turn to scam with the players money. It’s important to choose reputable and trusted services to get safe betting.

But in this regard I still prefer an offline gambling house to"attempts" to run away with my winning than online casino because offline gambling house will be easier to trace and catch since they are physically present and at the reach of customers, at least one customer would know someone connected to such agent. When you are scammed by a casino, is as good as gone, that is the simple truth with the experience here so far. However it is better to choose from trusted operators both offline and online.

The same case has happened in my locality before. The way it was followed up was to report the matter to the betting company that the agent registered under to be their betting agent. From there, the details concerning the agent man were released by the betting company and he was arrested thereafter because of the information that was gotten about him.

I think the man who won the money should report the matter to the betting company. Telling them how a betting agent working under as their agent ran away with the money he won. They need to provide his details so that he can be traced and arrested upon for running away with someone else money

Well, the point to take home is that gamblers that don't have an online betting account should be very picky when it comes to where they place their bets. I've come across something like this few years ago in a newspaper. The story you just shared could only happened in a small betting shop, because in mega shops, the rent alone is in millions of naira and there's no way something like this could happen.

Big wins are not paid by physical cash, it is normally paid into the gambler's bank account by the agent. If a worker ever runs away with a gambler's win, know that it's a small amount and the agent must repay the money.

Never heard before running away with betting money. It can happen which is not impossible. Because we often get news of various types of gambling scams. But most of those scams happen online but never worried about a betting agent running away with the bet money while the gambler was staying at that moment. May be a gambler has won a large amount of money, the agent may behave in such a way as to refuse to pay that amount. My point is that since he was gambling by renting an agent shop, he could certainly get all his personal information if he wanted. But all these works are time consuming. A gambler never wants to be in such a situation. A gambler must consider these aspects before gambling. Gambling  should be taken by observing the reliability on the place where he is gambling.

It's not interesting to gamble with the traditional model in a hidden place like that because things like fights can happen due to misunderstandings.
Gambling like that can also get bad views from neighbors because of the habits we do.
Gambling online is more interesting because no one else knows and it can be done anywhere there is an internet connection.

I don't recommend gambling online because the negative impacts it can have will be difficult to control.
You can gamble online or traditionally, but you have to be responsible.

I am seeing the agent thingy these days on social media that they have their respective casinos that they're working with and partnered with. There's nothing wrong with that if there's really a physical shop but based on that story, that's the cons of it when you're betting on those. That's why if you already know a casino which is online and you don't need to go through with an agent or third party then that's much better because you're direct to bet with your money on them. There's no need for you to think if the casino will runaway with your money because they're an actual business that won't definitely ruin their reputation just for your bets.

It seems that there is some confusion and conflict with what you say about gambling traditionally and gambling online. But I do understand that when other people think about which is the best thing for them as they gamble. The here today is, go to the gambling place whether they're online or offline that you trust and not just that, but the one that you know that has its reputation to protect.

This is where the problem with centralised gambling or casino starts from. It is still same as you winning online and the casino suddenly shots down and nowhere to be found with your wins nor your deposit. It is likewise you winning and the casino refuses to pay your win citing irregularities and discrepancies with your game which therefore denies you the opportunity to make claims of your win.

Decentralisation is absolutely the best. You win, you withdraw. No body denies or steal your rewards from you unlike what OP has just said here. I really do not think that agent would be seen anywhere near that environment again because that act was a preplanned act and I must say that he or she has no conscience to have done that.

I have not also heard about case like this before, but I am very sure case like this are possible. Some people can do crazy things just to make money. The agent is kind of dump, because I am sure he won't be able to run forever. If the agent is reported to the gambling site, then his account can be temporarily suspended, and he won't be able to withdraw the money that he is even trying to run away with. But maybe he will withdraw all his money from the gambling site so that if his account is blocked, then they won't discover any amount in the account. I know he won't be able to run forever, it might take time, but he will be exposed. If the gambling site is held responsible, then they will look for every means to provide the agent.

Agent of betting site also have guarantors so he is really dump if this story is to be the real issue. Gambling house that wants to employ an agent will go as far as doing KYC on the agent and involve  a guarantor of high repute that won't just be one, it might get to two or three guarantors, so I don't see how a customer will lose his potential winning without getting it back because an agent ran off with it. I'm sure he can only run but the company will surely get hold of him.

I know this is a very sad story but unfortunately these cases of theft in gambling are cases that happen very frequently, just see that there are many online casinos that stole a lot of money from and see that sports betting sites also stole money from people, but in the case of physical casinos things are different, and it is very difficult to hear that any physical casino has disappeared with people's money, which is why I would recommend that anyone who wants to play a gambling, then look for a physical casino that is located in his city

because with this he guarantees that no money will be stolen, if he plays he will have 2 ends: the first would be to lose everything in the casino during the gambling session; the second would be for him to win and walk away with money. but it will not be stolen. It is dangerous to play in stores or in places other than inside the physical casino, the risk of being robbed by the store owner or by thieves outside the store is a very big risk

Sure we may be on same page, but what would you have to say about gambling shops in campuses? where students go out in numbers to stake games. Despite being aware of the online games. In the society, they're places filled with less educated people and vice versa. So, you may be referring to the environment you found yourself. I think the gambling agents pay immediately compared to playing with the platform directly online. The withdrawal processes and all, could be the reason why most players still prefer to use or stake game in gambling shops. Circling the majority of such gamblers as less educated isn't correct. Unless you mean less educated about online gambling. It may be easy to accept. Most of the educated people, read and write. Yet it doesn't mean they'll be able to do some things by themselves. It's safe to think that any educated person can gamble online. If no one introduce them to it, they may not have the idea. Some before they began gambling online. It'll look impossible to gamble without the gambling shops. Because they don't know it or haven't practiced it. Until a friend show them how the online gambling work. And how many working days it'll take for withdrawal to reflect on his bank account. Maybe not everyone would be able to wait for the processes, as patience has nothing to do with being educated or not. However, anyways, the disadvantage of not being able to wait for the processes, still follows as the example in this thread.

If an employee of the casino/gambling shop runs away with customers' winnings then the casino is responsible for that money and they have to pay it no matter whether they confiscate the stolen money or not.

It's a rare occurrence in an organized casino so if you are someone who wants to experience physical gambling then pick the right place for it but with the evolution of online gambling, the availability is abundant for users to pick.

If you have seen where fight breaks out in a gambling den before you will never feel safe gambling in one, apart from the worker running away its possible for some hoodlums to come and attack the location due to one reason or the other, where I am from there are many arrests on hidden gambling locations and I can't help but ask why people are so interested in such places for gambling.

I believe this worker was able to run away with the money because it's a small amount, meaning he is with the cash, but if it's a big amount the gambling company will have to make transfer because at this point cash is useless and risky, but all the same a gambling den is not a safe place for gambling.

This way is already old because we have internet now, you can gamble in your home and this brings peace of mind and also concentration, if you win there will be on single evil eye on you, and if you lose you summon your courage, still never use what you aren't willing to lose at all.

There's should be a company behind that agent so provably the winner can directly go with them to claim his winnings. But if the agent claim the amount for reason that he will be the one to distribute the winning prize to the winner then maybe he cannot get anything especially if the agent already flee away. Maybe he can still go after to the company but I guess there's low chance that they release new money and the only help they can do is to post a notice about their personnel and file legal complains toward the action he or she do. Its also important for us to know the reputation of agents and check if there's a rule that they can directly take the money since if that is the case another incident might happen again so its should be the winner should go direct to the company behind those agents to get his winnings and be safe for same unfortunate incident.

I see this discussion as an interesting one. Every gambler has their favorites, some like gambling online, while some prefer the local betting shops around their areas. It is not because those gamblers who gamble at the local betting shops are illiterate or don't know anything about the internet, but it is because they feel happy gambling in the midst of other gamblers.

Like some of you guys said that gambling is for fun, so some gamblers like having fun together with others. They don't like gambling alone. Some of these gamblers go to the film hall to watch a live match but they have a television and a channel that still shows the same live matches. I observed that what they enjoy there is just the discussion and the arguments, and the same for those who like the local betting shops.

You know that money really brings different things to people. It's not bad to want money because people really need it. But once we let greed enter our thoughts, that's when we start doing things that will end up being bad in the end.

In short, the agent who ran away with the money of the gambler who won was tempted to steal and not give the gambler's winnings because maybe at that time he might need money, or maybe he couldn't accept that he lost the gambler. .  But you have a point in what you said that there is also the truth that online gambling is really safer when it comes to the thing you mentioned.

I humbly submit that I do not understand the need to gamble with a betting agent.

I mean, you are just increasing your risks further if you plan on adding a betting agent on top of it. Gambling is already risky on itself due to the circumstances present. If you were to hire a betting agent, then you still have to worry about their authenticity and genuineness of service which adds another layer of risk on your part.

If someone wants to gamble and thinks of getting a betting agent, just do not do it. Gamble it with yourself OR just save your money in the process. If you gamble by using a betting agent, expect things to happen like what the story of OP told us.

This thing can happen even in an online gambling shop.  Even some online casinos are not giving money won by a player if it is too big.  In short, the scam can happen anytime.  We have some casinos in this forum that were once reputable but turned rouge and scammed their player.  It does not only happen on one occasion but on several occasions.

So playing in local agent's gambling shops and playing in an online casino does not make a difference.  If the owner decides to run with the money they will run with the money so just prepare for the worst every time we win a huge amount of money and get complacent if we already withdrawn the amount.

This usually happens if you are betting in a shop that is illegal. You cannot go to the authorities because in the first place you are involved in illegal gambling. If something like this is done by a licensed gambling shop, I think the shop is under obligation to pay the winner and report and hope that the authorities will find the manager and seize the stolen money.

Although an online gambling site with reputation is much better, stealing might not be completely avoided. There have been issues of online gambling sites not paying their players. Either they suddenly vanish or they cite reasons for it.

People often use illegal shops if gambling is prohibited in their country but they still want to gamble. This will put them in trouble, especially those who use a lot of money. They can't ask for compensation in their shop because when everything happens, the shop will also disappear and you can't ask for compensation. That's why if in your country gambling is prohibited, you don't need to try gambling or use illegal gambling shops or anything else because that will only give you problems. It's better not to gamble at all than to get into trouble.

But if the shop is legal, you may still be able to ask for compensation from the shop because the shop collaborates with third parties, where the shop must also be responsible for the people who have used its services. But usually, the shop doesn't want to pay compensation because the shop also experiences the same losses people experience. We must prevent this loss by always ensuring the shop is legal. And if necessary, we can use trusted online casinos to gamble so we won't experience any problems.

Even if they do this once they will easily lose customers and bettors, betting shops thrive on reputation besides they operate based on their license that's the easiest way to lose their license and everything that makes them legal, their obligation is to honor every bettor's right bets failure to do will incur penalties from their license and business permit.
There's corruption in your locality if winners cannot get their winnings from their betting station, It is unlikely to happen here in our country as long as you have the winning ticket the betting station has an obligation to pay you even if it's a big amount, the bettor can charge them because there is a fine and criminal liability in committing fraud.

Yes, I think this is the case here, the gambling den is illegal and you don't know who this people are. So if you bet on them and suddenly win big, chances are they are not going to pay you. Or at least not willing to do so, just like in some scam accusations on a online crypto sites as well. We can deposit without KYC, and when you win big, they will have to question you.

That's what I'm saying, there could be online gambling sites as well that can pull through this kind of scams. Not even gambling sites though, recently we have some mixers as well. So it could happen to any services, but here in our community, we know what gambling sites are trusted already and so we should stay with them.

While there are disadvantages, I can also cite some benefits when betting in shops. First, your betting experience will not be tracked. So no matter how much you lose or how high your profits are, you will never worry to wager continuously because your betting results are not monitored. Second, you will get immediately your winning profits. And lastly, you will find time to communicate face to face with other bettors and on the probability of their winning rate.

It’s just that in the scenario that you cited OP, the betting agent was dazzled by the value of money. Maybe he was really in bad financial situation that’s why he was forced to do such crime like that. But in some betting shops I know, they are actually serving their best customer service and pay the winning amount without hassles. But as a piece of advice, before you decide to bet in that certain shop, maybe you should make initial research on that betting shop especially if you are fond betting high amount.

It's so unfortunate that this happened to the man who's just playing and testing his luck. It's unfair that when you are playing your heart's out and eventually you landed on jackpot, the agent will runaway with your money. For sure he felt frustrated and cheated on, and it's totally understandable because if I were in his shoes, I'd totally feel the same.

If this betting shop is legally registered and has permission to operate, for sure there will be documents that will tell the identity of the agent who ran away with the money and there will be details that can pinpoint the agent's whereabouts. In this case, the victim could file a case for being scammed. However, if the business is not legally operating, meaning no registration and not really allowed to have a runnimg operation, it will be hard to file a case and find the agent who vanished through thin air. 

I think this is an isolated case only mate as what others posted above. Physical betting shop are very profitable in our country and i think elsewhere so what's the reason of running away someone's winning, it's not practical to run away with a penny and leave the millions behind. Though online gambling site provide users some convenience when it comes to gambling it also the reason why some people go broke as gambling is just a click away and without discipline, all things will go wrong.

Even in a country where gambling is legal, illegal gambling is still rampant. And for many reasons like the minimum bet is much smaller, the winning prize is higher, hassle-free, etc.

I think if the shop is legal and the prize is not released because the agent assigned to give the money took it away like in the story shared by OP, the shop is still obliged to pay the winner. It's not the fault of the winner that the shop's agent run away with the money.


You mean the bitcointalk community? Have you not heard of a case of a mixer or a gambling site that turned as scam here? It happened. So there's still no guarantee.

He wont really be ending up on such situation if he had really just simply show his ticket into gambling manager and wont really be that entrusting up those winnings or claims on the betting agent.
Temptation because of money is really that very common to happen which to those agents would really be having the tendency that they would really be running with the money on which they havent really been able to get a hold for the rest of their lives on which it would really be just that normal that they would really be having those thoughts on running it away and as a winner then you cant really be so sure if those winning amounts would really be given into you. This is why it would really be always better that you should really be wise on how to get your winnings. Never ever make yourself do trust up someone when it comes to this
because risks something like this could really happen along the way.

For lottery winners then the ticket holder would really be the ones who would personally be claiming up his prize and as long you do have it then you are the true winner and doesnt really pass into those agents.
One of the risks when you do really trust up someone too much when it comes to money where temptation would really be there.

This kind of work is really rare. Because the house is always in profit. No one trades at a loss. Moreover, since they have started physical business, if there are no legal complications, they will definitely not try to escape. I don't know if there is any other reason or not so it remains a confusion. But those who are gamblers should understand that the foundation of the organization was not good if such a situation arises. Gambling at a new or unfamiliar company is likely to lead to losses. But physically I could not hear any such incident. Gamblers must always exercise caution. Scammers are constantly creating new scams strategy so always be careful when gambling.

It's funny how the story is comprehended because why would someone that's lack integrity and honest qualities open up a betting center for gamblers to enter and gamble and run away with hugh winnings of gamblers? These matters keep arising and its definitely getting out of hand. Trusting a human with our heavy wins, ofcourse is risky because in most scenarios these gambling agents have not seen such huge figures before and happening to see it for the first time will definitely push them to the wrong state of mind, they tend to run away with these winnings to better their own lives.

It all depends on how much winning money the gambler gets because even though the gambling shop is licensed if the winnings are very large there is still possibility that the agent will run away with the gambler winning money because with this money he can go far away and not be tracked so he can start living in other countries without anyone knowing.
We know that whether gambling shop is licensed or not if it commits acts of fraud and embezzlement if country has strict laws the agent will still have to deal with the law and the authorities, but does anyone know where he will go?
That why it better to gamble at an online casino that is really big and popular and even has good reputation because it has customers and large community which makes the casino always pay out every gambler winnings.

No, because it all depends on which online gambling site you use.
Not all online gambling sites have the potential to commit crimes against customers because they are in business and it is impossible to damage long-term business just by stealing some of the customer winnings.

So people have to look and choose legal shops rather than illegal shops so that they don't get into trouble if the shop agent runs away or other problems. Those who often gamble in illegal gambling should think long and hard about not gambling in illegal shops anymore because of cases like that, especially if there are already several people who have experienced cases.

This means that it requires attention from these people so that they immediately make the right decision in choosing the shop. And for the shop agent who ran away, maybe the shop needs to contact the authorities so that the shop agent can be chased. After all, the shop agent had caused harm to the shop so he needed to be arrested.

- Scammers can come from anywhere and vanish with your money. Even with reputable gambling websites, there's no absolute assurance that they won't pull a scam someday. That's why it's crucial to practice risk management and minimize your exposure to risk as much as possible.
- Your story reminds me of what happened with FTX exchange and Sam Bankman-Fried in the cryptocurrency market in 2022. We all recall how he cultivated a trustworthy image for himself and the U.S. government before everything unraveled. It was unimaginable that he could do something like that. Even when rumors started circulating that FTX exchange had misappropriated users' funds, there were many defenders. In the end, it's a lesson to trust no one or any organization completely. It emphasizes the importance of self-managing your assets and risks.

Yes, it is true that this can be done to chase the shop agent because it may be very easy to chase him compared to chasing an online casino that has gone bankrupt and is a fraud, therefore the most effective way is to report him so that he doesn't commit any fraud, but another problem is if you report the agent illegal gambling while you are in a country that prohibits gambling will be a problem and you will also be investigated as a gambler.

But if the gambling agent is in a country where gambling is legal, of course it is very easy to catch him and complain to the authorities, let alone take him to legal action, but it will be very different to report and chase the gambling agent if the country considers gambling to be an illegal game, that will be a problem. Another big thing you can do is just let it go and then use the experience of not playing at a gambling agent anymore and switching to online gambling.  ;)

it is always safer to Bet in Bigger agency that the management will take over if something like this happened .
but for sure that agent will be taken since being wanted will not last forever , he may hide for a while but sooner will be in captivity .

but the goof thing here is that you are not the one who turns a victim because that will sadden us to hear.

may I ask if how long this kind of gambling happening or operating near you? because ot seems that the worker did not managed to handle His desire in taking the win or its just too big to resist of him?

This is only a case that may occur very rarely, just like when talking about online casinos, although many are trusted, there are also those whose initial intention was to deceive and will disappear when they have achieved what they were targeting, and there are even online casinos that are quite well known the name often appears in many sporting events but in this forum that casino is known for having many unresolved allegations.
Betting shops may still be safer because they have a physical form where the owner is very likely to return to that place, meaning he cannot just disappear, it's just that the betting shop also has a license? so that its presence cannot be done wild because there are laws that regulate it so that players have legal certainty. when there is a betting shop that cheats.

If a shady gambling agent has hurt you, you'll want to get even again. However, it is uncommon to want to report a shady agent in a place where you could be charged with gambling. You want to shout from the roofs but are afraid you'll fall. If the agent is in a place where gambling is allowed, its almost a given that they should be brought to the attention of the law. Still, the unclear rules in places where gaming is not allowed make things difficult.

You could also just leave, learn from the experience, and focus your efforts on online sites, which has its benefits. For better or worse, its a shift. Giving yourself back the power is like saying, "I've learned, and Im adapting." Still, always, always make sure that websites you use are trustworthy. We dont want history repeating, do we?

I wouldn't completely agree with you on the perspective of gambling on sites to be safer because there are sites that could be scam sites who attracts amateur gamblers to gamble on their site with their bonuses and when they win they are referred to doing their KYC which they never get to pass and their money will be gone, which is also similar as this in this shop too.

The case is one which if follows up rightly he can possibly recover his funds provided he still have a printed copy of his bet slip at hand , he could go lay a complain at the head office of the bet site, stating what an agent has done to him, I'm sure there are regulatory bodies in your country of residency, he could possibly reach out to them and that agent could be fished out and hi funds recoverd, offline or online, neither is safer just make sure to be careful out there.

All the two have their advantages and disadvantages. And the physical betting hall is preferable because even the agent ran away with the money, you can still Sue the company branch because he didn't win the game from the agent but with the company. And if it is an online casino then it would have been very difficult for him to sue the company. Though in online betting when you win and you met all the requirements then your withdrawal is guaranteed.

Gambling is gambling and there is no best site in it but if we must take one site, offline site is more better because of the physical identify of and there is no KYC because you're already there.

What do you even mean the "gambling agent", he was someone employed within the betting shop and the betting shop magically disappeared between midnight and the morning? The story doesn't make sense. You seem to think that gamblers always have the favored outcome when it comes to betting and you are clearly wrong. These bookmakers don't sit around and survive for years by losing money, much the opposite in fact - they make a lot of money because they use odds with a comfortable buffer built in. Your "story" sounds like nonsense and you are projecting an idea that physical locations are somehow more likely to screw you over, but you clearly don't know how an online bookmaker can disappear in the blink of an eye.

That is one disadvantage of using small betting shops where you can't assure that when you win a huge amount they will pay right away. But the scenario that you have told us is something usual these days as it also happens in our place as well. Not literally a scam thing because they also make payouts to those who win small but for financial reasons and family problems, they'll take the funds and leave.

Indeed, better not to use new betting sites especially when they involve 3rd parties as it is too risky.

What's giving You the conviction that an online gaming platform isn't planning to abscond with your funds? ain't they got human operators too??....
''Man's want is insatiable'' that's what we all say...and you think it's a joke? They could decide on whatever they want especially since your winnings is in Thier custody... I've heard about several cases where the casino desperately refuses to pay a customer's winnings on local casinos... That's what you get when you're too lucky..lol

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Gamblers need to take into account all the possible consequences of their actions, if they are gambling just for the sake of fun and the amount they are using is very small then they can afford to gamble on those small shops, as even if they win the profits they will get will also be small, however if a person is gambling with a high amount of money in a game that could produce significant profits if they got lucky then they cannot gamble at such establishments, and instead they should only gamble at the most reputable casinos which will honor their obligations and pay them up in the case they win.

How is this possible, that an agent took away a gambler's winning and ran away, how possible, is he with the tickets for the bet or what, what i know is that, he that has the tickets uses it to claim the winning, or maybe it's a local place and game that ticket was not issued than with the use of mouth, some people can be as weird as dupping others claiming that they should come the next day to claim their prize to find out that they have carted everything away.

Just really that totally a common sense thing to be done on which you should really be sticking with main casino platforms if you are playing with high amounts or betting huge money instead on going into those agents.
Unless if they are really that known on paying up big or huge wins or having that good reputation on that particular area on which it would really be just that normal that you would really be that confident on dealing or trusting them up but it would really be that always depending on you because we know that there's always a risks for those funds to be ran away specially if its big or something significant. If you do have some trust issues then it would really be just that right that you should really be going into those main gambling platforms or companies rather than entrusting into those betting agents.

That's why we must avoid gambling in our country's illegal casinos. Law enforcement will investigate us because we have gambled in illicit casinos. Moreover, if gambling is prohibited in our country, this will make the problem more complicated and we may also experience serious problems because we have violated the regulations. But if we can gamble at a legal casino and we encounter a problem like that, we can easily report it to the authorities and with a report from the casino, the authorities will help us to solve the problem.

But if it is online gambling, we might be confused about where to complain, especially since we don't know where the casino is because everything is online. And if we report it to the authorities in our country, they may also find it difficult to follow up because it is outside their jurisdiction. We can avoid playing in shady or illegal casinos where we know nothing about the casino to avoid any problems.

From what op explained I am not sure the problem of paying out the money is coming from the betting site/company but it's rather from a greedy bet shop owner who register as agent of the bet company as a channel through which in land gamblers can walk in and bet on their predictions. Some of these bet agents have given bad reputation to the bet sites they represent when the bat site has already paid in the won money into their ( the shop owner as agent) account immediately the bet win was confirmed so that can release the money to the appropriate winner but in their greed and scamming nature seeing how huge the money is they would choose to run away with the money. And this in turn cripples the repute of those bet sites they represent.

I have heard of these stories more often than one that's why I make sure to bet online if am using good amount to gamble with the expectation of winning a huge amount as returns just to avoid having my money at the mercy of betshop owners, except when am gambling for a small wins that doesn't make much sense to disappear with. Some of these bet shop owners are opportunists.

If the betting shop has a manager and employees and an employee runs away with the money, the manager should be responsible for paying the money to the bettor since it's one of his employees who stole the money and it's not the fault of the bettor. But if the shop only has one agent and that agent runs away with the money, that becomes a problem because there will be no one left behind that can be asked for the money.

An online platform is definitely better than a betting agent, especially if the betting agent isn't trusted and even if it's trusted, you can't really make very large bets with them because money can change anyone, so even a trusted person can deceive you and run away with the money if it's a significant amount.

I disagree with your point of view, perhaps every place is different. From what I understand, offline agent gambling is usually more reliable than online gambling companies. If an agent runs away with the money, their superiors will be responsible for handling the funds. I have only heard of gamblers running away with the agent's money, never heard of agents running away with the gambler's money. Anything can happen in any situation, but I'm referring to the majority of cases. For amounts below $500,000 USD, Bet365 can still accept it, but I am still somewhat concerned about larger amounts. Withdrawals also take longer to process. Only offline accepts larger bets.

Okay, so how you would be able to explain about gamblers running away with agents money? Care to explain please.  :-\

We know that if on the time that we are really that making out some bets through agents and hit up big time then its up to you whether those winnings would be taken handle by that agent or you would really be claiming it for yourself on which it would really be just that normal that you would really be that too confident that the agent will really be bringing up those amounts until temptation do kicks in and this is where problems do really start.

Just like on what others been saying that human beings are naturally greedy and on the time that they do able to hold an amount that they have never ever in their
lives that they do able to do so, then tendency or chances that those amount would really be ran away.

This is the more reason why I prefer betting on platforms that without the bet slip they may not be able to cash out the amount like nairabet if you don't come with your bet slip the money will just remain there and the agent can't have access to it.

I don't really encourage betting online as you may become easily addicted from time to time and your bank account will be at stake because immediately you exhaust the money you funded and you played a game and lost, you will still want to fund more through your banking apps and from there you might end up finishing the funds in your bank account.

So to avoid story that touches the heart just like this one it is advisable to bet on betting shops that without your slips they may not be able to cash out the winnings

I might have a wild guess here, I think gambler loaning an amount from a gambling agent and then run away never paying the loaned amount.  That would be probably the case else there is no way a gambler can run away with an agent money.


As far as I know when a gambler hits a huge amount of money like jackpots, these reward is to be redeem on the main office.  I also wonder how can an agent run with the gambler's money on this scenario.  The only thing I think of is that the gambler let the agent claim his reward.


I agree, human interests and wants has no bound unless the person himself controls it.

Well, I have come to the conclusion that not everyone in this discussion understands what I am saying so far with all my explanations. Your question has been explained multiple times, but I think it is not everyone that sees it because I didn't include it in the main thread.

But I will explain again.

For example, you are an agent from a particular gambling industry, and I am the bettor that is looking for a gambling shop to bet a game with the little money that I have (I don't have a significant amount to fund on my betting account or don't have an account) and finally I visit your betting shop to stake a game and I went home with the betting slip, then at midnight the game played accordingly, so finally the bettor won the bet.

So, then, I would like to ask you a question and I would want you to answer me accordingly: if someone used your betting account to bet on a game, and the game was played at midnight, will the winning money not be fun in the betting account? Let's assume you finally ran away with the money the bettor won. Will you need the slip to withdraw the money from your betting account, or is it just for you to put your bank details and withdrawal straight to your account?

So I don't imagine that people still won't understand now.

I don't know about any of this doesn't sound like a legit shop.  Is this more like a bookie and not a physical shop?  In the US not any shop can just set up.  But yeah with bookie's and illegal gambling ypu are taking risk that you won't ever get paid out.  There are plenty of legit ways to bet with little to no risk so not sure why anyone would bet this way anymore.

Do online gambling usually have agents too? Because it’s just physical shop which I have had that they have some kind of agent that help them bet sometimes due to crowds and all the rest and at the end of the day the agent gets commission. But for this online gambling that don’t need shop unless the gambling site it’s scam it’s self if not one just need to log into it and make their betting if you win you will be required to withdrawal directly to you account or your wallet it’s all depends on the available option.

The only place I have come across a similar incident is, where the LOTO agent those people that use to stand by the road side, someone came to place a bet with a large amount of money about 50k or more and the agent decided not to register the game he just printed a paper and give to the person and when the day for the game reach the man check and the numbers where just as predicted but when they log it into the system the booking number is no where to be found, and it was later confirm that they did not register the game and the agent squandered the money and such has been happening there without them noticing and this was notice because the last game played, the end of the issue is what I really don’t know how they concluded it.

The manager or the shop owner must have a record of their workers. We can always inquire on them and blotter them in the nearest police station so that the issue will get sorted out quickly. Cases like this are normal and even in the online gambling sites it does happen.

In fact, real-life betting are much safer because like I said earlier, people there has a record. You will know their names, location, etc.. but in the online world, it's possible to become anonymous. If I'm the winner, I will only feel bad especially if the winning moment is kind a bit rare. It can cause a trauma but I can surely moved on later on and continue playing gambling again.

I don't think that this is enough reason to say it is not good to gamble in a betting agents shop. How frequent does cases like this happen? This may just be one isolated case which is not grounds to come to your conclusion.
Online bookies can decide to close your account with all your funds in there. Isn't this the same think. Anyways your message well received.