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Title: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Viscore on October 25, 2023, 05:44:30 AM
It's a fact that cryptocurrencies are sometimes used for terrorist financing and other illicit purposes, but that doesn't necessarily make crypto the primary player in such activities. According to Chainalysis, only "1% of the entire crypto market is involved in illicit activity." This is because there are alternative sources for these funds that are much larger than the crypto space.

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Militant groups use different methods to move money, including cash, banks, shell companies and charities, and informal financial networks. Crypto is a small part, experts say.


So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?

Additional information related to that ;
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WHAT ABOUT OTHER FORMS OF ILLICIT FINANCE?
Terrorist financing is a small part of the illicit uses of crypto, which include scams, ransomware and theft.

Crypto crime hit a record $20.1 billion in 2022, Chainalysis said, calling this a lower bound estimate. That figure excludes when cryptocurrencies are the proceeds of non-crypto crimes such as payment for drugs.

Cryptocurrency theft via cyber attacks is also a significant source of funding for North Korea, according to UN reports.

Some banks in the UK have curbed customers' access to crypto because of a rise in crypto scams.

Also, the article pointed out that setting up a cryptocurrency wallet is a piece of cake, and it's pretty tricky to trace the owner, even though all transactions are right there on the blockchain, which is like a permanent public record. To dig up who's behind it all, they'd need an account on one of those fancy, government-regulated 3rd party exchanges. That way, the government can just tell them to cooperate with the investigation. But here's the catch, those sneaky terrorists probably already know this stuff and might be one step ahead, making it harder for the government to trace them. Sure, the exchange can freeze the funds, but finding out who owns that wallet? Now that's the real challenge.



SOURCE --- https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/explained-cryptos-role-in-terrorist-financing/articleshow/104645274.cms


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Helena Yu on October 25, 2023, 05:55:26 AM
But here's the catch, those sneaky terrorists probably already know this stuff and might be one step ahead, making it harder for the government to trace them. Sure, the exchange can freeze the funds, but finding out who owns that wallet? Now that's the real challenge.
Even the terrorist is using many privacy tools, there's no guarantee he can stay 100% anonymous because he might leave his trace somewhere e.g. using someone node, not using Tor, data breach etc.

Bitcoin is using public blockchain and everyone can easily trace the source, the government not want to admit if banks are private and no one knows the activity behind banks except the internals.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: goldkingcoiner on October 25, 2023, 06:21:54 AM
I think it is terrible that so many opportunists are trying to throw mud on crypto just because they are bitter from missing out on becoming Bitcoiners. The terrorists best friend is cold hard cash. Paper money. In other words, paper strips can be taken advantage of by criminals much more easily and they are way more suited for nefarious and anonymous purposes than Bitcoin or any crypto, really. So the argument of crypto being used in terrorist financing is laughable.

We as a community should crack down harder on the haters. Otherwise unknowing people might actually believe in their lies. If we do not then we will only serve to stagger the progress of Bitcoin adoption by giving the haters free reign...


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Z390 on October 25, 2023, 06:37:41 AM
Like seriously, I believe it's easier to track down any terrorist transactions on the block chain because every transactions leave traces behind, a smart terrorist will stay away from block chain transactions, they can always be caught compare to using Fiat to carry out their dirty funding and co.

Those who are saying things about crypto have no knowledge about the technology, it's easier for criminals to try covering their transaction on the block chain with the privacy tools but it's still not impossible to get a hold on them, I wonder why those in power are feared about it.

I don't entirely blame them, because if there is really a way that terrorists can fund their goals without anyone knowing then it's generally bad for the world, attacks will take place when least expected, and many lives will be lost, it's ok to say that people are in fear of what may happen, but I will still stand on my fact that nothing is really hidden on the block chain.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Mia Chloe on October 25, 2023, 06:46:52 AM
And so what?
Why mind what haters think in the first place? These so called haters have no proof of the fact that Bitcoin is involved in illicit acts.This is not to say that Bitcoin is not used in some illicit acts as Bitcoin is a currency or asset per say so it can be used for whatever transaction or reason.however this reasons depends on the user.the point is Bitcoin is just a currency but it should not be encouraged to being used for illegal or illicit transactions.

Don't forget to keep your keys safe 😁


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: edmundduke on October 25, 2023, 07:41:39 AM
The reason why they want to paint crypto as a funding source for terrorism is because they cant really control in. BUT in order to add more controls/rules for crypto they want to have a reason and theres no easier exlanation than terrorism/money laundering.
In reality, vast majority, if not pretty much all of terror financing is done using the USD.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: kotajikikox on October 25, 2023, 08:06:54 AM


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Militant groups use different methods to move money, including cash, banks, shell companies and charities, and informal financial networks. Crypto is a small part, experts say.


So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?

Let them Blame cryptocurrency mate because they are only giving more popularization in our beloved currencies here, imagine the more they mention this market is the more people are getting curious to what is this and for why they are blaming it.
I remember when I was first introduce to this market and make a research , it turns out to be mostly called scam but when i stayed for awhile and saw how Bitcoin increasing each year? i finally realized that all of those are just a BS fud and nothing is correct.
Thats why since then what i only do is accumulate and Hold, not until Pandemic when sad things of withdrawal happens.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: KiaKia on October 25, 2023, 10:22:56 AM
Sounds like Elisabeth Warren kinda hatred for crypto, that mama ain't getting to the presidency sit, never, not with Blackrock and others after ETH and BTC ETF approval, someone like Warren will just make things more harder for them, imagine she is the president right now, she would have been a good match with Gensler, they would have caused a lot of damages.

People tend to only throw hates at what they don't understand, instead for them to learn and understand the idea behind Bitcoin existence they choose to hate.

Crypto can be use to fund terrorism, I accept this claim, but since the existence of crypto, there hasn't been any proof that shows that this is true, for the fact that everything is transparent on ten block chain, it's a stupid point without a proof.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: NotATether on October 25, 2023, 10:28:57 AM
Terrorists are almost certainly not using crypto for their day-to-day terror activities. It's too inconvenient when most people don't have an internet device (you think they're allowed to carry mobile phones with them? They can be tracked by intelligence agencies.) It is likely only the financing of terrorism part that may possibly be done in cryptocurrency payments to a power broker.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: dzungmobile on October 25, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
It's a fact that cryptocurrencies are sometimes used for terrorist financing and other illicit purposes, but that doesn't necessarily make crypto the primary player in such activities. According to Chainalysis, only "1% of the entire crypto market is involved in illicit activity." This is because there are alternative sources for these funds that are much larger than the crypto space.
2023 Crypto crime report (Chainalysis) (https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2023-crypto-crime-report-introduction/).
Read their 2023 full report on it.
Download. (https://go.chainalysis.com/rs/503-FAP-074/images/Crypto_Crime_Report_2023.pdf)

From their report, the terrorist financing is very tiny part of illicit activities through cryptocurrency.
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Overall, the share of all cryptocurrency activity associated with illicit activity has risen for the first time since 2019, from 0.12% in 2021 to 0.24% in 2022. [2]

Our full 2023 Crypto Crime Report will dig into the details of the criminal activity behind that 0.24%, as well as what our on-chain analysis reveals about the market failures of the last year.

Recently they published this blog post.
Correcting the Record: Inaccurate Methodologies for Estimating Cryptocurrency’s Role in Terrorism Financing (https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/cryptocurrency-terrorism-financing-accuracy-check/)


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: DanWalker on October 25, 2023, 11:11:06 AM
It's a fact that cryptocurrencies are sometimes used for terrorist financing and other illicit purposes, but that doesn't necessarily make crypto the primary player in such activities. According to Chainalysis, only "1% of the entire crypto market is involved in illicit activity." This is because there are alternative sources for these funds that are much larger than the crypto space.


To be more precise, cryptocurrencies, fiat currencies or any instruments are not created with the intention of being used by criminals or intended to be used for evil actions. All those evil things come from human behavior and it is humans who are evil, no fiat currency or bitcoin is evil. Neither Bitcoin nor mixers have anything to do with crime or terrorism, but unfortunately, criminals use them and we have no way to stop it. Everyone understands that it's just human behavior, but people who hate bitcoin will always use it as an excuse to talk bad about bitcoin. But that doesn't change the fact that more and more people are realizing it so we don't need to explain further, Bitcoin has nothing to do with terrorism or crime.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Fiatless on October 25, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
The US government is coming up with laws that will make mixing services a threat to the county's security. What is their reason? There is news going around that Hamas is using cryptocurrencies to finance the war in the Middle East. The government immediately used this unverified information as the major reason to truncate the freedom and privacy these services offer. If this law is enforced in the US there are possibilities that other copycat nations will follow suit. it is not a surprise that they want to invoke section 311 of the Patriot Act to classify privacy as terrorist financing. They know that cryptocurrencies play an insignificant role in terrorist financing but they just simply want everybody to be under their watch. But there will always be a way out.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: bitterguy28 on October 25, 2023, 11:41:55 AM
The reason why they want to paint crypto as a funding source for terrorism is because they cant really control in. BUT in order to add more controls/rules for crypto they want to have a reason and theres no easier exlanation than terrorism/money laundering.
In reality, vast majority, if not pretty much all of terror financing is done using the USD.
USD is the main currency of the world so how come that they are putting blame in crypto, while they can not have the complete control then better for them to break crypto name and make if bad for the whole world.
but sorry for them because we as crypto users and investors had already planted what is good for our family and friends as they are now supporting bitcoin as well.
The US government is coming up with laws that will make mixing services a threat to the county's security. What is their reason? There is news going around that Hamas is using cryptocurrencies to finance the war in the Middle East. The government immediately used this unverified information as the major reason to truncate the freedom and privacy these services offer. If this law is enforced in the US there are possibilities that other copycat nations will follow suit. it is not a surprise that they want to invoke section 311 of the Patriot Act to classify privacy as terrorist financing. They know that cryptocurrencies play an insignificant role in terrorist financing but they just simply want everybody to be under their watch. But there will always be a way out.
even before that war , the US is already running against Mixing service as we have seen them closing those big mixer that we have here in forum advertising , so what more they can add from those?


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: jeraldskie11 on October 25, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?
Terrorist existed for a long time before Bitcoin was founded. So it's not reasonable to blame Bitcoin for the existence of criminals today. It is probable that they would misuse Bitcoin because it is decentralized, which means that you can use it anonymously. But what is the primary reason that criminals continue to exist today? Because someone is behind them and can make them easy to pay a person with crypto. But we must remember that Bitcoin was created to protect us against opportunistic and bad people.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: posi on October 25, 2023, 12:36:47 PM


So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?


They can say whatever they want, we can't stop them and have no reason to care what they say. Like you can't please everyone and some people are saying bad things about you, does that mean you're a bad person? If you are not what they say, then you should not and do not need to worry about people who say bad things about you because other than talking bad about you, they cannot do anything to you. They say bad things about you just shows that they are jealous because they lost to you, so we have nothing to worry about. Bitcoin is the same, it cannot please everyone and that is normal in life.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Questat on October 25, 2023, 12:58:49 PM
Some blame crypto but they don't have any basis to prove it because what they have is just rumors. In fact, crypto doesn't give them 100% anonymity which they might think they are safe. It is not necessary anymore. It is possible that there are a few of them but I don't think they'll make use of crypto every transaction they have made...

I'd say they don't need it, with the number of online transactions available these days, it was easy for them to do it.
We can't erase the fact that some people will take advantage of crypto but this won't generalize everything and blame crypto as a medium for terrorist financing.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: lombok on October 25, 2023, 01:16:04 PM
So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?
Terrorist existed for a long time before Bitcoin was founded. So it's not reasonable to blame Bitcoin for the existence of criminals today. It is probable that they would misuse Bitcoin because it is decentralized, which means that you can use it anonymously. But what is the primary reason that criminals continue to exist today? Because someone is behind them and can make them easy to pay a person with crypto. But we must remember that Bitcoin was created to protect us against opportunistic and bad people.

Crypto is not completely anonymous. Some entities can still be traced if done in detail. Except when it comes to privacy coins. Crypto and Bitcoin is pseudonymous (https://www.cloudwards.net/is-crypto-anonymous/)

Many people say that crypto has a close relationship with terrorism and crime, but if you think about the strict KYC system on each exchange, tracking and intelligence, it is very risky for criminals or terrorists to access crypto and then disburse funds on the exchange. This will quickly reveal its activities through a transaction.

Online prostitution or sexual content may have greater involvement compared to terrorism, drugs and crime activities.

This is crypto transaction data related to criminal cases that I took from the CRYPTOPOTATO news website.
https://i.ibb.co/yddC4Xz/Screenshot-20231025-212047-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/vVVWXHN)
https://cryptopotato.com/illicit-crypto-transactions-in-2022-surpassed-20-billion-for-the-first-time-chainalysis/?amp


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Russlenat on October 25, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
Terrorists are almost certainly not using crypto for their day-to-day terror activities. It's too inconvenient when most people don't have an internet device (you think they're allowed to carry mobile phones with them? They can be tracked by intelligence agencies.) It is likely only the financing of terrorism part that may possibly be done in cryptocurrency payments to a power broker.

That's correct, but some people do think that way, believing that Bitcoin is used to finance terrorism, which isn't entirely true. Such beliefs harm Bitcoin's reputation, even though physical cash is more frequently used in such activities, given its difficulty to trace. Regardless of the mud-slinging, Bitcoin continues to exist and grow in adoption because these accusations are baseless. The 1% figure is relatively small compared to the total money funneled into terrorist activities.

I've read some articles in the past that suggest governments make a lot of money during times of war. So, I believe those who create fiat currency are potentially more corrupt than what they accuse Bitcoin of. Let's not forget that they can keep printing money endlessly, which, on its own, is already an issue.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on October 25, 2023, 01:22:17 PM
It's a fact that cryptocurrencies are sometimes used for terrorist financing and other illicit purposes, but that doesn't necessarily make crypto the primary player in such activities.

We are in the era of freedom of speech, let them say whatever thing they want, we know want we also want and trusted, right before bitcoin was introduced in 2009, people have been engaged in all manner of fraudulent activities using fiat, now that bitcoin has been introduced, this crime rate has reduced because you're having a personal control over your financial life and the security to your wallet remain ever secured with bitcoin because your asset are stored on the blockchain, but if you choose an exchange or leave your private information open, then this is at your own risk if scammed.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: sokani on October 25, 2023, 01:46:35 PM
I don't really give it much thoughts whenever I hear that cryptocurrency is the major ways through which fraudsters move their funds. I'm only concerned about gullible people that don't take their time to verify information. I know very well that these propaganda are being sponsored by the government to discredit cryptocurrency and to make it look bad so that people would stay off it. US dollars is the most laundered currency in the world and according to this article (https://www.zippia.com/advice/money-laundering-statistics/) Bitcoin makes up only 0.3% of the money laundered globally. 


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Faisal2202 on October 25, 2023, 01:56:32 PM
I cannot agree more with you, crypto is not the only way to launder a few million dollars, money is being laundered from the very start, and crypto is only being used to launder only few million dollars, what I think is, that they have different definition of crypto. For example, they might consider all the hacked amounts from different crypto platforms as money laundering too. well, of course, that's money laundering, because to withdraw those funds, they have to obfuscate the trail of the Transactions. And that comes under money laundering.

You should read this thread by o_e_l_e_o:

  • The PATRIOT Act comes to cryptocurrency (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471353.0)

You should read the report, that he has mentioned there, that report is from FinCen, in that proposal, you will find that the main source to obfuscate transaction details, they were using mixers and darknet marketplaces, Well, I shared a good reply there but it got deleted by the Op IDK (I don't know) why, but here is that reply which I gave there. It might help you too. As it suits here best as well.

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That's not surprising for me, because, the points written in the proposal are valid but to some extent, I did not read the whole proposal but read around 15 pages, where they talked about CVC mixing and the darknet market of Russia that were used to launder money and to provide money to terrorism groups, especially of NK, I already did some research on the Lazarus group and other 4 main groups connected with Lazarus, they are working for NK.

Well, they really looted a hell lot of money, and still, they have money lying in their wallets that they will launder when the right time comes, well, I will say, they are doing their job which is to eliminate the crime rates and to control the money laundering issue. Even though many congressmen and other political parties have talked in favor of BTC and big businesses are going to accept the BTC and will allow the US citizens to buy those shares.

This is just a trap for the US citizens so that they will be left with no choice but to buy their ETFs by doing full KYC. I do not see it as a threat to BTC, because BTC in itself is not used and reliable for Money Laundering, instead, the tools used to obfuscate the TX are the ones they are most concerned about. Well, They are mostly concerned about darknet markets because in their own words on page 12
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$35.2 million to CVC mixers and $252 million to darknet markets.

This indicates, that mixers are not the only and most reliable source for the bad actors to obfuscate money, but these are just to divert their time and attention.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Jawhead999 on October 25, 2023, 03:03:02 PM
They want to make Bitcoin looks bad, that's.

Anything has it's bad and good side, so when you hear many bad over good thing, it means they don't like it and vice versa.

They will close their mouth when the topic fiat is used for money laundering, but if there's an one Satoshi is used for money laundering, they will talk and blame Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: avikz on October 25, 2023, 03:10:21 PM
Dear OP, no one is blaming crypto apart from the governments.  But does that changed the fact that privacy cryptocurrency have made it a lot is your for the terrorist organisations to obtain or transfer their money from one place to another?

Criptocurrency should not be blamed but again this does not change the fact that NFT market has become a playground for money launderers to convert their black money into white.

Money should not be blamed. But that doesn't change the facts.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: abel1337 on October 25, 2023, 03:11:28 PM
It's not impossible that terrorist can use bitcoin or other cryptocurrency for terrorist financing but it's just the small part of it. It's just that karens or non-believers always thinks that it is majorly used that kind of way. Did these karens ever speaked that banks or fiat transactions are the one who are always being used by these terrorist's to fund for their wars? At least on bitcoin, it is trackable on the blockchain. The fact that the usage of bitcoin is just a small part of the illegal activities, it will all be blamed to crypto LOL.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: kryptqnick on October 25, 2023, 03:18:55 PM
Chainanalysis may not be scientifically accurate, but it's widely cited when people are trying to make a point about illegal usage of crypto funds. It's indeed important to know that Chainanalysis team (https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/cryptocurrency-terrorism-financing-accuracy-check/) believes that "Terrorist organizations have historically used and will likely continue to use traditional, fiat-based methods". So justifying restrictive policies against cryptos by turning to cases of financing terrorism is incredibly unfair, considering that nobody seems to suggest restricting or banning banks because they happen to be used a lot of illicit purposes.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Rruchi man on October 25, 2023, 05:06:08 PM
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People who have something against bitcoins, the haters will always have a reason to hate bitcoin. When the reason for their hate has been settled, they are quick to find another reason to keep hating. It is normal with haters that they are hard to convince since their mind is already bent and focused on hate. Terrorist have always existed before bitcoins, so they have always had ways to finance their activities. Bitcoin was not created to serve negative purposes, humans have taken advantage of it for negative purpose, and bitcoin cannot be blamed for that.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: franky1 on October 25, 2023, 05:45:07 PM
Chainanalysis may not be scientifically accurate, but it's widely cited when people are trying to make a point about illegal usage of crypto funds.

if you look at the DCG portfolio. you soon learn how many sister companies chainanalysis has to share information with

chainanalysis aint perfect but with hundreds of businesses FREELY sharing data at no cost with each other. they can link more then just some coming and goings of payment flows, especially when they have exchanges that link to withdrawals of altcoin and subnetwork systems, they are not completely blind


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on October 25, 2023, 06:00:03 PM
Well, I think we all know often enough bitcoin and crypto is being used by certain people that don't have the best intentions and therefor want to hide their faces.
Of course this is a smaller % of people that use bitcoin in general but still, there are people using it for not so good purposes, so in some way these "haters" are also a little bit right. Of course they exaggerate in what they are mostly preaching but undeniably there is also some truth in it, even if small.

Crypto is making transfers fast and private, that's an advantage for us average people, but also for people with ill intentions.

In the end, haters gonna hate. For them crypto is the devil. Can't change that.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: GbitG on October 25, 2023, 06:19:18 PM
Also, the article pointed out that setting up a cryptocurrency wallet is a piece of cake, and it's pretty tricky to trace the owner, even though all transactions are right there on the blockchain, which is like a permanent public record. To dig up who's behind it all, they'd need an account on one of those fancy, government-regulated 3rd party exchanges. That way, the government can just tell them to cooperate with the investigation. But here's the catch, those sneaky terrorists probably already know this stuff and might be one step ahead, making it harder for the government to trace them. Sure, the exchange can freeze the funds, but finding out who owns that wallet? Now that's the real challenge.
You should not care about what this article has written, because article writer have to add some spice in it to make it engaging one, if you trust the Cryptocurrency then you have no need to correct these idiots who think BTC is the main source of money laundering. I have read many topics in my time here, specially the one from the Notatheter dude, in which he explained, why BTC or BTC mixer are not the reliable source of money laundering.

We all know that BTC is open source and all the Transaction can be tracked and the one using some exchange can not launder money easily but yeah I can agree on one thing is that, hackers, and scammers come up with different projects which actually are to move funds from here to there but they are not always a succeed for them because education of cryptocurrency has gave the lesson of old and new comers about this industry and how they can avoid themselves from becoming victim of such hacks.

Government don't like BTC and decentralization and to support and collect some attention from the governments such article websites wrote these article in favor of governments so that they could also collect some funds too.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: tjtonmoy on October 25, 2023, 06:39:30 PM
Nothing is bad until people decide to use it for a bad purpose and make it bad. The government will say those shit about cryptocurrency because they are afraid of it. Bitcoin specifically. They don't want people to have freedom because they want to control everything. The moment the control is out of their hand they will not be able to manipulate civilians. That's their fear and why they hate Bitcoin so much.

There are other means of payment in crimes. Money, gold, property etc. Criminals have been using those for their criminal activity for ages. Why don't the government list them as bad thing like cryptocurrency? Because they have control over them. These are things that could be used for good or bad things. So is the cryptocurrency. But why the government is only targeting cryptocurrency specifically? The answer is simple. The fear of losing the control over people.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Dzwaafu11 on October 25, 2023, 06:50:40 PM
People tend to only throw hates at what they don't understand, instead for them to learn and understand the idea behind Bitcoin existence they choose to hate.

And this is the main reason behind people who hate bitcoin; they don’t want to learn and know how it works, and that is why they always tend to throw some hate and keep lying that bitcoin can be used for such things. However, since the existence of this industry, I have never seen a proof where they said this is the proof where bitcoin was used in this kind of act. Even though they always say something like this, they don’t really have proof of that.

However, some people lie because they don’t want people around them to adopt bitcoin in the fact that they know that when they know about it, they will start having problems with businesses buying and selling goods because people will start using bitcoin to purchase things online because of it’s freedom and anonymity, especially government, they will also do it because their fiat banks will not get used again since the citizens will understand that btc transactions are easier than bank transactions and no one will have control over their savings.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Sophokles on October 25, 2023, 07:01:43 PM
People tend to only throw hates at what they don't understand, instead for them to learn and understand the idea behind Bitcoin existence they choose to hate.

And this is the main reason behind people who hate bitcoin; they don’t want to learn and know how it works, and that is why they always tend to throw some hate and keep lying that bitcoin can be used for such things. However, since the existence of this industry, I have never seen a proof where they said this is the proof where bitcoin was used in this kind of act. Even though they always say something like this, they don’t really have proof of that.

However, some people lie because they don’t want people around them to adopt bitcoin in the fact that they know that when they know about it, they will start having problems with businesses buying and selling goods because people will start using bitcoin to purchase things online because of it’s freedom and anonymity, especially government, they will also do it because their fiat banks will not get used again since the citizens will understand that btc transactions are easier than bank transactions and no one will have control over their savings.

Most of the haters of bitcoin come from business related groups whose profit has been reduced because of bitcoin or who think their future is threatened. Some people are brainwashed by media people who are also paid by those business groups. I think you already understand who i am talking about. These are a few elite people who run the government so it is obvious why their world promoted most instead of common people who love bitcoin.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: pixie85 on October 25, 2023, 07:21:24 PM
Terrorists are almost certainly not using crypto for their day-to-day terror activities. It's too inconvenient when most people don't have an internet device (you think they're allowed to carry mobile phones with them? They can be tracked by intelligence agencies.) It is likely only the financing of terrorism part that may possibly be done in cryptocurrency payments to a power broker.

They have been using cash since the first terrorist cell was created and they will be using cash for as long as it exists. It's the best and easiest way to buy stuff without leaving a trace.

How many terrorists somewhere in Afghanistan or Syria have accounts on bitcoin exchanges? The only way to use bitcoin without being traced easy would be to get a bitcoin donation to their wallet and send that donation as payment for weapons but that still can be traced if their place gets bombed or attacked by soldiers and computers seized which means bad news for both the donator and the weapons dealer.

Someone who claims bitcoin is bad because terrorists use it is doing it to brainwash people just like Greenpeace was doing it in their smear campaign.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: nakamura12 on October 25, 2023, 07:25:03 PM
Even if terrorist use crypto for their illegal activities I doubt it won't be day to day since there will be traces left. I think that's the reason why some mixers are shutdown. I think you know about some mixers website are taken and are now taken by fbi. Even if it's true that terrorist use crypto for their illegal activities then there's nothing we could do to stop them since Crypto can be used by anyone who are interested in it or those who want to use it.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on October 25, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
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Militant groups use different methods to move money, including cash, banks, shell companies and charities, and informal financial networks. Crypto is a small part, experts say.


So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?
These are complaints you will always get from people who hate Bitcoin and yet has little or no knowledge about how it works, and forgetting that as a currency, whatever it's been used for doesn't describe what it stands for, because as a currency, it's liable to be used both for positive and negative things, just as gold and fiat has always been used as a medium of exchange for terrorist groups both local and international, and today Bitcoin is in no way an exception. Hence, since governments nor Central banks has no control over Bitcoin, such fake news is likely to be a tool used by them to scare people away from investing in Bitcoin but rather choosing to invest in fiat where they have control over the entire people's fund.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Issa56 on October 25, 2023, 08:08:16 PM
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Militant groups use different methods to move money, including cash, banks, shell companies and charities, and informal financial networks. Crypto is a small part, experts say.

So why is the government not complaining about banks that are mostly used for illegal activities? Why is the government not banning banks? We already know the motives behind the government not complaining about banks being used for illegal activities, the government is making banks look like they are not used for illegal activities and they can never be used for them.

So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?
The government doesn't just have anything to use against bitcoin, so that's just what they can use against it. The government knows how criminals move money, but because all those ways are in favor of them, they make us believe that they don't use those methods and that they are using bitcoin that was created a few years ago. It's just annoying when I see some people believe what the government says about bitcoin. So illegal activities weren't done before bitcoin was created? and what currency were they using then?

I don't care what anyone will think about bitcoin, I am definitely going to be making use of it, either publicly or privately. All I know is that what I am into is not bad, only the government thinks it's bad, but we all know the government is fighting for their own selfish interests.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Wiwo on October 25, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
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Militant groups use different methods to move money, including cash, banks, shell companies and charities, and informal financial networks. Crypto is a small part, experts say.


So how dare they blaming it all in crypto?
These are complaints you will always get from people who hate Bitcoin and yet has little or no knowledge about how it works, and forgetting that as a currency, whatever it's been used for doesn't describe what it stands for, because as a currency, it's liable to be used both for positive and negative things, just as gold and fiat has always been used as a medium of exchange for terrorist groups both local and international, and today Bitcoin is in no way an exception. Hence, since governments nor Central banks has no control over Bitcoin, such fake news is likely to be a tool used by them to scare people away from investing in Bitcoin but rather choosing to invest in fiat where they have control over the entire people's fund.
It's normal for the anti Bitcoin crusaders to spread such falsehood around once in a while,  but only gullible people who lack the capacity to do independent research about Bitcoin will believe such misinformations,  robbing Bitcoin to be a criminal tools along side they own fiat currency which is the most used,  so instead of concentrating on the flaw that comes along with the fiat system that have been freely used by both terroarists and other anti government groups who are outlaws.

Any ways,  I am not surprised at this at all, since we are already used to all of this negativities around Bitcoin from some few government officials,  who will in the end become most users of such tools like Bitcoin to hide and the money they stole from the government coffers.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on October 25, 2023, 08:36:34 PM
Crypto is indeed a small part of the criminal network of funding. Crypto is for everyone and anyone person can be anyone once they have understood how to use it and get the best gain from it.

Good and bad are opposites on this life's coin and while the government gets smart to curb the activities of criminals and terrorists, the criminals also device new payment plans and systems to fund their activities. It is just so painful that crypto currency is a means that they have learnt to use.

Am very certain the percentage of legal and trusted users of cryptocurrency are more as compared to those who use it to sponsor or support their terroristic or criminal altruistic tendencies.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: AmoreJaz on October 25, 2023, 11:17:35 PM
Crypto is indeed a small part of the criminal network of funding. Crypto is for everyone and anyone person can be anyone once they have understood how to use it and get the best gain from it.

Good and bad are opposites on this life's coin and while the government gets smart to curb the activities of criminals and terrorists, the criminals also device new payment plans and systems to fund their activities. It is just so painful that crypto currency is a means that they have learnt to use.

Am very certain the percentage of legal and trusted users of cryptocurrency are more as compared to those who use it to sponsor or support their terroristic or criminal altruistic tendencies.

people should remember the fact that fiat currency is still the major contributor when it comes to criminal activities. crypto is just new addition as these fraudsters are finding its way to use this market for their illegal activities.
once people are educated on why crypto is being used for these activities, they will just treat this situation similar with fiat. but sometimes the media is making a big deal out of this, hence, it is like the influence of crypto in black market is being blown up, not mentioning about the long history of fiat.


Title: Re: Shame on haters for claiming that crypto is widely used in terrorist financing!
Post by: blockman on October 25, 2023, 11:18:15 PM
While it is a common knowledge that Bitcoin was used in the underground and dark market and illicit activities beforehand it became known in the mainstream. And that stigma has remained until now but, there's a common ground on this one that whoever keeps on spreading this information in the web should also give that fair treatment that most terrorists or terrorism funding will be tracked if it's on the blockchain and if companies that are focused and dealt into tracing them will definitely figure out where it came from and where it has landed. They are just haters of crypto and they're up to something that they want to inject it in the minds of the world that crypto is mainly used for these activities even if, it's getting clearer that there's more and better usage of it these days.