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Title: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 29, 2023, 04:01:14 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Oshosondy on November 29, 2023, 04:15:09 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Hispo on November 29, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

When the biases kick in it is when all rational thought have been displaced in order to make room for unsupported beliefs. It is something we do not need to go far to see, really, those biases are everywhere: when people do not share their bets because of superstition, when people do not want to change their seed in probably fair games because more superstition, when they use their favorite or lucky numbers to play lottery.
I have even read threads here in the gambling section of people who still wonder whether these casinos casino games are really about chance/ luck or not.
The answer for anyone should be obvious, otherwise they should read more about how gambling works.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Odohu on November 29, 2023, 04:41:17 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decide, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
By this submission, one can deduce that you are inferring that everyone who does not develop this mindset of fun is definitely a gambling addict. This is wrong if you ask me because I don't see consistency as addiction as addiction is easily misconstrued from negative perspective.

Gambling addiction is supposed to be a situation whereby one is unable to control how much he gamble with and when to stop gambling. Anyone who does not fall into this category is not supposed to be regarded as an addict. Just so we are clear, there are people making legitimate income from gambling, far more than what people make from conventional jobs.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 29, 2023, 04:47:51 PM
The link is actually talking about gambling regulation but I don't know if it is workable that casinos will refuse an addict to gamble in there platform or would have a limit to how much times to wager, lose or win because seriously they are out for business and would maximize their potential for profit.

It is left for the individual to know how to control his emotions not to over wager his budget and to give up on a bad gambling day .


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: MainIbem on November 29, 2023, 04:47:59 PM
Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability.

They don't consider the risk factor its a number one thing people most put into consideration just as you said, the mathematics of probability isn't explore here or mostly used by gamblers the major thing is they are being driven with so much positivity in a way they don't care how much they waste in gambling or in regularly gambling.

The truth is always covered, gambling is above catching cruise and having fun although we can as well sees it as that but literarily people finds it as life game changer or life change where they continues to gamble and possibly hit a major target at this point they don't consider how much they lose but without knowing gradually they are sinking down into gambling addiction, whomever that can control greed can never develop a gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Slow death on November 29, 2023, 04:54:02 PM
I ask: why do many people become addicted to beer? let's imagine that a person is president of a country, he has a work schedule that doesn't allow him to spend hours in a bar drinking beer with friends, he has many people around him cheering him on even if he does something stupid, the people around him side of him continued to praise him because they believe that by doing so he can give them a good job in some big company or some good position in the government that is much better than the position he currently occupies in the government, so the chances of the president becoming addicted to beer are very small. Why doesn't a very rich person who plays with a lot of money at the casino become addicted to gambling to the point of becoming bankrupt?

In my opinion, the reason why very rich people who play with a lot of money in casinos don't go bankrupt and don't get addicted to gambling is due to the fact that they don't play for money, because they already earn a lot of money from the many businesses they do. they do, they have many other things to do in life every day, so that time when they are playing is one of the few times they find to play and even if they lose they know that they only have that time to play and they will not prolong it any longer. time for them to play because they need to do other things in life, like card, manage their business, work on a film or go have fun at a nightclub with women, so the chances of them becoming addicted are very small.

but when a person lives in an environment with financial problems, lives in an environment where they constantly suffer a lot of criticism from relatives, friends and work colleagues, then the tendency of these people will be to play to earn money or play to spend more time on the computer or telephone and thus forget about the society that constantly criticizes them, consequently these people become addicted, the frustration, the pain lead people to always look for some refuge such as alcohol, drugs, sex and games and unfortunately this leads them to addiction and destruction


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: electronicash on November 29, 2023, 05:11:31 PM

basically, it's still the dopamine that activates the addiction just as what he said about people checking the price of BTC and ETH the very time they wake up in the morning.  does Andreas also check the prices the first chance he gets when he wakes up? :D  looks like he really knows what catches the attention of his followers.

i don't look at it that way though when a person gambles for the first time, they also become happy especially when they win. but i don't see this person gonna be addicted unless he comes back over and over.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Wiwo on November 29, 2023, 05:50:05 PM
The link is actually talking about gambling regulation but I don't know if it is workable that casinos will refuse an addict to gamble in there platform or would have a limit to how much times to wager, lose or win because seriously they are out for business and would maximize their profit potential.

It is left for the individual to know how to control his emotions not to over wager his budget and to give up on a bad gambling day.
Well, some casinos have a feature in a place where the victim who is the addict can go and have himself excluded from the casino this way the account is locked and even though this may not be a 100% means of getting off gambling,  it still remains very predictable to say that many of such gambling addicts still fall back to the addictions if they have not properly made up their mind to stay off addictions in the first place.

So for sure many casinos may want to help the player to stay off addictions but then at some point, those addicts are the ones at the centre of everything since self-discipline is the sure root to stay above addictions of any form,  we can't blame casino entirely because there are operated for profits making and nothing more.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Accardo on November 29, 2023, 06:14:37 PM
Gambling addiction doesn't start completely that way or isn't dependent on such analogy alone. They're multiple reasons why people can get addicted to gambling. Which may include; anxiety, loss of money, mental disorder etc. Why the analogy looks great is that it only helps us become responsible gamblers and why it's tagged as the reason to gambling addiction if not obeyed, is that when a person isn't responsible they'll become irresponsible. Generally speaking, gamblers are expected to follow such instruction to enjoy the fun of gambling. Although the strategy isn't certain if we'll win or not, but when we do not think about gambling as a form of making profits, we'll tend to win more. As our minds won't be racing on which decision to follow. Once the mind is at rest, our predictions become better than when in a hurry. A player that doesn't follow such strategy, can still control his emotions not to become addicted. He'll only play to win and end up becoming sad when he doesn't. Somehow it's bad to be sad over losing in gambling, which can also have a bad repercussion on the mental health of the gambler. 


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Renampun on November 29, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I have also read several articles about the effects of dopamine, the dopamine effect is the effect produced by the happiness hormone, humans usually get dopamine when they climax during sex - using drugs - falling in love - winning gambling - getting big money. People who successfully manage their happiness hormones will usually be very successful, all because they have complete control over themselves and their thoughts. that is the reason why risk management in gambling is important, wise people will not be intimidated by winning, they will definitely be more afraid when they keep winning because they are sure that the time will come when they lose.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: jrrsparkles on November 29, 2023, 06:23:05 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

It's supposed to be done for the adrenaline but I don't know how many of them are actually doing that, we are just humans and sometimes our emotions take control of our actions and it can end up badly but it won't become the end of your life unless you keep pushing your limits that is the difference between addicts and the gambler who spend their money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 29, 2023, 06:28:16 PM
The link is actually talking about gambling regulation but I don't know if it is workable that casinos will refuse an addict to gamble in there platform or would have a limit to how much times to wager, lose or win because seriously they are out for business and would maximize their profit potential.

It is left for the individual to know how to control his emotions not to over wager his budget and to give up on a bad gambling day.
Well, some casinos have a feature in a place where the victim who is the addict can go and have himself excluded from the casino this way the account is locked and even though this may not be a 100% means of getting off gambling,  it still remains very predictable to say that many of such gambling addicts still fall back to the addictions if they have not properly made up their mind to stay off addictions in the first place.

So for sure many casinos may want to help the player to stay off addictions but then at some point, those addicts are the ones at the centre of everything since self-discipline is the sure root to stay above addictions of any form,  we can't blame casino entirely because there are operated for profits making and nothing more.

Even at that, if there is a section in some casino where a gambler can lock himself up from continuous playing, we know it is not easy for an addict to willfully do that to exclude himself. He feels there is chances he would win if he continues to wager and he keeps getting more addicted. Well I think the best is for automatic control of such from the casino base on some criteria like how much lost etc but like I said earlier, I doubt that would have yet except the regulatory agencies enforce that on them.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on November 29, 2023, 06:40:49 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

Gambling is not a "tax" for anyone who does not understand the math behind probability.

And of course you can gamble rationally. Not wildly throwing money around and going into the casino with a exit-plan is an act which follows the very definition of rationality. First of all, gambling is supposed to be entertainment, not a way to earn an income or become financially independent. The people who do not understand this might more easily become addicted to gambling but whether they become addicted or not depends on their biology, their upbringing and their personal situation.



Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2023, 07:04:36 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE)
The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

This is just how addiction starts,  the hormone dopamine makes them become excited and motivated to gamble even when the game is becoming a problem to them. Most times, the victims do not even take note of all these signs of addiction,  all they know is that they are happy playing and when they lose, it motivates them never to give up.


Addiction can also set in when a gambler has no other job aside gambling.  No other hobby aside gambling. This can be disastrous as the gambler will channel all his time, attention and resources to gambling.  With time,  all he will think about will be gambling and there are every tendencies that he will become addicted to what he channels his mind to always. To avoid addiction,  every gambler needs to have other hobbies and jobs where they can channel their attention to too.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Yatsan on November 29, 2023, 07:20:33 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

Gambling is not a "tax" for anyone who does not understand the math behind probability.

And of course you can gamble rationally. Not wildly throwing money around and going into the casino with a exit-plan is an act which follows the very definition of rationality. First of all, gambling is supposed to be entertainment, not a way to earn an income or become financially independent. The people who do not understand this might more easily become addicted to gambling but whether they become addicted or not depends on their biology, their upbringing and their personal situation.


Once you engage yourself in gambling and yet you're aware of the risk present, then you are already not being rational to your funds. Being rational means you are depending on your mind over your heart or emotion which is sometimes being disregarded in gambling. If you know to yourself that you have a tendency to lose, the that's emotion already; which pushed us towards this activity or industry in general.However, the tendency of getting addicted is dependent with the gambler, I agree. If you won't lose your sense of self control then you'd be fine crossing every bet.The simplest way to understand gambling addiction is knowing one's financial capacity and risk tolerance.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: coolcoinz on November 29, 2023, 07:26:52 PM
He's right. Ultimately it comes down to chemistry. When we gamble we feel fear, excitement, a loss is followed by depression, we feel tired, but the next day we often feel full of energy like we now have to work twice harder to make up for the loss. When we win it's euphoria, that feeling of accomplishment all gamblers look for.

Not many people know that we can get that in many other ways, for instance by doing work that is visible, helps you and/or others. When you decide to remodel the house and it looks great, you show it to your friends and they want the same thing done at their places. That's when you feel appreciated, accomplished. There's so many ways to release dopamine, and you can quit gambling by doing something else that makes your body react the same way, like climbing a mountain or jumping with a parachute.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: South Park on November 29, 2023, 07:38:40 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

Gambling is not a "tax" for anyone who does not understand the math behind probability.

And of course you can gamble rationally. Not wildly throwing money around and going into the casino with a exit-plan is an act which follows the very definition of rationality. First of all, gambling is supposed to be entertainment, not a way to earn an income or become financially independent. The people who do not understand this might more easily become addicted to gambling but whether they become addicted or not depends on their biology, their upbringing and their personal situation.


I agree, that person is making the assumption that every single person is gambling to obtain profits and as such their behavior makes no sense if they are long term losers, and he may have a point when it comes to those people, but the majority of the gamblers just want to gamble to get some fun, and exchanging some money for a temporary personal satisfaction is something that all people do, so if that is somehow wrong then a great deal of our economy would be wrong as well, and satisfying a need or a want legally and obtaining a small profit over it cannot ever be wrong.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: o48o on November 29, 2023, 09:04:15 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If you could gamble rationally, there wouldn't be big wins as if it's rational, you can master it, and if you can master it, everyone with a bot can master it. That would mean everyone would be winning which is statistically impossible as it's a zero sum game and money has to come somewhere.

And Andreas is spot on like always when we speak about probability. But this is an analogy for investing into scams, and addiction mechanics.
And when we look at gambling from investment point of view, it obviously wouldn't make sense. Gambling however isn't investing and we can't assume that all people are in it to invest. Some of us are in it for pure thrill. It doesn't need to make perfect sense in terms of rational investing, as it's just one way to have fun. Some people invest with same mentality and that's what andreas is talking about. Investing for thrills is similiar to gambling. That's why people used to treat leverage trading as gambling and okcoin exchange was jokingly known as okcasino.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 29, 2023, 09:09:03 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
For those people who had been saying that gamble for fun or something like that but ended up on failing on doing such thing are to those people who are really that making those advises. Why?
Human beings are emotional beings on which on the time that we do speak about money then this is where things turns out to be different. Yes, you are playing for fun but we know that
losing money is never been fun and this is where it would really be triggering up those kind of hopes and desperation on which it would really be derailing you into your primary approach
towards gambling.

Addiction starts on the time that you would really be changing up your aims and goals specially if you are on verge on chasing up your losses or trying out to breakeven
then this is where issues would really be starting. Some could be able to control and some are not and this is something that must be avoided in the first place.
You should really be that sensible on whatever things that you are tending to get involved with.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Natsuu on November 29, 2023, 09:23:01 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

I think its because of desperation right? We keep playing thinking that we’ll make up with the losses and we justify our losses just as what OP said, it is because we’re having fun. So, whether it's chasing losses or just enjoying the game, it's this mix of hope and fun that keeps us going, even when the odds might not be in our favor. Thats where addiction start.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: swogerino on November 29, 2023, 09:30:26 PM
Dopamine is the real addiction kicker,let me tell you a real life example from my personal experience,I asked once a person who played slots with the mechanics of Big Bass/Club Tropicana (you can google those but they give you increasing multiplier and 10 extra free spins if you get the special character 4 times in 10 spins) and he told me,you cannot tell people how you really feel when you are passing all those multipliers and going to the final one,your brain is in great comfort and feeling very good and this is very difficult to undo once you feel that at least once,this is what I mean by dopamine being the real addiction kicker,it does not start out of nowhere.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: dothebeats on November 29, 2023, 09:54:56 PM
I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Lanatsa on November 29, 2023, 09:58:40 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

I think its because of desperation right? We keep playing thinking that we’ll make up with the losses and we justify our losses just as what OP said, it is because we’re having fun. So, whether it's chasing losses or just enjoying the game, it's this mix of hope and fun that keeps us going, even when the odds might not be in our favor. Thats where addiction start.
Chasing losses would really be that the main reason on why you would really be that keeping on playing because if you dont and you do see that you are already losing that much then for sure you would stop
but once you've been creating that kind of motive and desperation in mind then it is really that impossible for you to stop until you do get wrecked. This is why gambling industry is really that profitable because
people are really that emotional and really that impulsive when it comes to gambling. Once they do lost, they do get angry and when they do get angry then they would be spending more and the cycle
continues and this is something a very typical thing that do happen in gambling field.

The most important thing is that you shouldn't really be making yourself that get addicted because if you do then it would really be a sure thing that you would
be experiencing financial problems or hardship and this is something that we dont really like for it to happen into our situation. So better to have that
good control if you do like that everything would be smooth.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Wexnident on November 29, 2023, 10:02:25 PM
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Louder! I swear the amount of bias people get from people sharing big wins, not to mention their own possible wins, is insane to the point that they'd argue that it's worth the money, time, and effort to continue doing so FOR money. I've always advocated that if you gamble, make sure it's for fun since it never is fun if you only lose money after all. As I've also shared before, people only share wins because they're rare but never losses because it's the usual occurrence for a gambler, so they never really notice said losses.

Well people can still gamble regardless of whatever their goal is. Just don't expect it to return anything to you. It's a game, the most you'd usually expect is thrill and enjoyment. The wins? Just take those in as bonuses.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Onyeeze on November 29, 2023, 10:15:03 PM
Nobody that will not give you an excuse of be addicted in gambling because theirs one action I condemn for people who is a gambling addicted bit the don't know how come they managed to be addicted in the gambling so I believe that for someone to be addicted in gambling the person who is addicted contributed at least twenty percent of what makes him or her to be addicted in gambling but sometimes some people don't believe that they are addicted in gambling until people living around there began to tell them what's obtainable in the gambling and why they say that its addicted in gambling


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: danherbias07 on November 29, 2023, 10:38:01 PM
I don't think it's just about those who don't understand probability. Gambling addiction is like a sickness that is difficult to erase although I believe there's no pleasure in it anymore. I have a belief that everything that is too much is not enjoyable anymore. It's like a person is just being called to do it without any big reason at all. Habit could become the spark of gambling addiction.
At that moment, the decision-making becomes cloudy, they will forget about probabilities, and would possibly be just playing because they feel like they are being called.
I think those types of gamblers can easily be spotted in today's era when a person directly goes to his computer and starts gambling early in the morning. The inappropriate time spent in gambling will be the red flag that addiction might have affected them.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: avp2306 on November 29, 2023, 10:52:26 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

People will not think about anything since majority of people gambling addiction comes from curiosity. They usually want to try new things that came out from their mind or outsource anywhere since they caught up on the idea that its fun to gamble or either this is the fastest way for them to earn money. But they didn't know little by little they gat caught up and came to the point that they can't stop since they always think about gambling then their day is not complete without playing this. That's how they get addicted and its so harmful to be on that situation especially if we are dealing with this experience for the first time since we are denial and don't want to get help since we think we are still fine.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: livingfree on November 29, 2023, 10:58:49 PM
It is a good analogy that you can think of so that you can accept your losses. There are gambler that can't accept themselves when they've been losing a lot.

That's the reason why many are looking for a reason to do this because they think that it's a good consolation for them and it's gonna help them accept lightly their losses.

But if it comes to the point that you're being addicted, that's harder than what it seems to be.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: letteredhub on November 29, 2023, 10:59:44 PM
Before people starts gamble they  knew that they are gonna lose money only that they refuse to accept that they should lose therefore chasing every loss in the verge for recovery which is how addiction gradually draws in without the gambler knowing. Humans are created with a winning instinct and attachment that's why losing at anything disturbs their mind but when this losing is happening in gambler I think it's better to let it go and not fight it thinking you can recover you'll just get wasted. So it's really not about a gambler not knowing about probability in gambling it's about the gambler as a human being able to accept defeat (losing his money) to not chasing it.

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. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Yea it's common for gamblers not to think of all the past losses when they hit a  huge win but what about those gamblers that get lucky at their first time to gamble they win  a huge amount of money in the casino. What can you say about this.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Casdinyard on November 29, 2023, 11:01:16 PM
I would agree with what he's saying. But the thing is that most gambling addicts are well aware of the chances of them winning from the get-go. The real reason why people are falling off of the deep-end in gambling is primarily the lack of discipline. It's like you know you're gonna get paid anyway the next 2 weeks so you can go a little overboard on the budget as a treat to yourself, and then it snowballs into taking out loans on credit cards and your bank, then to your friends, and then eventually to even shadier situations and people.

I reiterate, I don't think the common gambler's stupid. They have a basic grasp of the odds of them winning. It's the thought that somehow they'd win in their sessions so they should just keep going that's causing them to become addicted to gambling in the process.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: TimeTeller on November 29, 2023, 11:11:51 PM
I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.

Just like most games, gambling is indeed entertaining and with money involved, it is more thrilling.
To be addicted here is no surprise. Just compare it to how you can easily be addicted with some simple games.
There is no complex reason on this aspect. So even if we don't know such analogy it is quite easy to understand this behavior.
So there may be no perfect analogy explaining the behavior behind such addiction but in my opinion, it is not difficult to explain.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: qwertyup23 on November 29, 2023, 11:17:11 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I agree with him.

The problem of gambling stems from the hope that it can potentially give to a certain player. The best example here are slots where you can see dozens of slot machines, each having a significant amount of a grand prize worth millions of dollars respectively. In the eyes of a gambler, this is an opportunity where they can potentially win. Whenever they lose, they think that by gambling again, they can recover their losses.

I just really hope that people should start listening more about the horrors of gambling. It is already the 20th century yet people are still addicted to it. Even if all the resources are available, people still fall victim to gambling, which is very unfortunate.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: bettercrypto on November 29, 2023, 11:27:19 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

Didn't you find it difficult to recover or get out of the addiction situation that you had when you were addicted to gambling in cryptocurrency? It's good that you overcame these circumstances to get out of this situation.

And probably by now, even if you gamble, you maximize what you do, and you do it as a responsible gambler in the crypto space. Because in reality, once a gambler starts to become an addict, it's really hard to get rid of it. For sure, you had strong determination and dedication in that matter, so you managed the problem of gambling addiction. You made a good decision.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Iroh on November 29, 2023, 11:31:24 PM
I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.

Yes, you would have to play and win for you to get some thrill but I think there could also be fun also when winning. And I agree with your opinion on beginners getting lured and sucked into the world of gambling with their first win. That win could motivate just anyone to play more.
For some who choose to indulge in gambling as a means of making an income,  this is the point where their money problems begins. While for others who simply play purely for entertainment purposes are quite safe. Sadly, a whole lot of people have and continuously do gamble in a bid to earn some extra income.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: lionheart78 on November 29, 2023, 11:58:46 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.
I highly agree with Andreas Analogy, it is not simply his own analogy but it is based on research of human behavior.  His explanation is backed by sciennce and intensive research on how people get addicted to gambling.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I suppose this process is happening to every one. Just look at how many replies on different threads that gambling is for entertainment.  This simply meet the condition of  "I am paying a fee for temporary fun.". even with those who are playing for fun, it also triggers the next responses Andreas explained.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Darker45 on November 30, 2023, 12:15:35 AM
That's why whether we like it or not, gambling is designed to make the gambler lose and the gambling operator win. That's the basic rule in gambling. There's the jackpot, however, and most people find it worth trying to win. But that proverbial jackpot is only hit very seldom. Luck is the word. And luck is unreliable. You simply can't rely on it to make money. So whenever one gambles he/she better have fun. Otherwise, gambling isn't worth it.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Queentoshi on November 30, 2023, 12:40:05 AM
The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If gamblers will think about how many times they have lost and compare it to the number of times they have won, and also the amount they have used gambling which they lost with the amount they have won, it will help them to make the resolve to strike a balance with the amount of money to gamble with and the number of time they will be gambling in a day or week, so that they do not lose so much money. Maintaining a balance is important to stay in control and addiction free from gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Assface16678 on November 30, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If gamblers will think about how many times they have lost and compare it to the number of times they have won, and also the amount they have used gambling which they lost with the amount they have won, it will help them to make the resolve to strike a balance with the amount of money to gamble with and the number of time they will be gambling in a day or week, so that they do not lose so much money. Maintaining a balance is important to stay in control and addiction free from gambling.
That's when monitoring is a must. I mean, as a responsible gambler, I think it is important to monitor or record every game or bet you make, the expense, and the win or loss. Many gamblers play only without worrying about their balance until they see it when it reaches zero balances, which will make them eager to recover the loss, and that's when what the OP says about how many gamblers ended up being led to their addiction. So it is very important to be wary and responsible about your account balance before engaging in gambling, because without awareness of your balance or ignoring it, it will make your fun into misery and far worse.

That's why gamblers, or those who want to try gambling out of curiosity and to have fun, should first practice self-control and money management to become aware of their expenses and to limit themselves if needed.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: boty on November 30, 2023, 02:25:24 AM
I have come to realize that gambling is remotely fun when you're not winning. You will have to get a lot of wins in order to get the thrill and the dopamine from it. That's why I think a lot of beginner gamblers win - it's for them to get lured and be caught off guard by the system to gamble more and win more. Once that's established, the gambler will then have the choice to decide if gambling is worth it or not. If they only play for entertainment, great. If not, then there will be a problem eventually, for sure.
Those who win a lot of bets in their gambling will certainly say that it is very fun to bet, but this cannot be achieved continuously because we will lose more after the wins we get, so it will be better when we play our gambling. we can still limit the budget we will use for gambling and if this cannot be done we will have more money for gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: len01 on November 30, 2023, 04:19:54 AM
I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: bluebit25 on November 30, 2023, 04:49:03 AM
It's interesting to see some people's analysis of dopamine in the gambling area here,

The operating principles that I basically understand bring comfort, excitement, joy,... and they will react like a series of equations that require the conditions under which we operate to satisfy us. And with gambling, perhaps it's the greed for money, it feels as if we get everything from gambling, but the slaps that follow are losses. Perhaps when the addict has become dependent on doing that activity, they do not have much awareness to assess the level of the problem. Only to the point where the destruction is big enough for them to realize their mistake, but sometimes things are too late for them to save, and many bad stories in life follow that scenario.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Strongkored on November 30, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 30, 2023, 11:02:03 AM
Gambling addiction begins when we return to gambling more frequently because we find something that makes us interested in using it. When you gamble for the first time, maybe it won't have any impact on you, but after you finish gambling, whatever the result, maybe you will think about it again after a few hours so you will start looking for time to play it again. This will repeat itself over and over again until we don't notice it because we can enjoy it. When we win, it will make us even more curious about getting bigger wins. But when we lose, we become curious again and want to recover from that defeat another time. And so the gambling addiction begins so that you will continue to return more often than before with different goals than when you first started gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Litzki1990 on November 30, 2023, 11:34:00 AM
When we become addicted to gambling it is very likely that we realize that we are becoming addicted to gambling. After becoming addicted to gambling we always want to gamble and we cannot stay away from gambling even if we want to. I am speaking from my side after I got addicted to gambling when I lost one gambling game after another I just thought why am I not giving up this game. I didn't try not like I tried so hard that I wouldn't gamble but I couldn't control myself. When one gambling game after another I lost and lost money then I thought I will quit from now on but after some time I again managed money somehow and I gambled again and lost money. In this way I was able to stop myself from gambling for a while and I was able to come out of that addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: famososMuertos on November 30, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
Keyword: "dopamine"

I must say that once again it is a #TBT type topic.

Gambling is entertainment before anything else, and this activity happens with many other things, drinking, traveling, shopping, and a long etcetera.  Then the issue of addiction becomes consistent in the causes and solutions.

That is, there are symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals, regardless of what leads us to be consistent in our bets, after that, if one falls into uncontrolled dependence depending on what situation is in their control, that is, their dependence on symptoms It determines whether you are a hopeless addict or a person who can control their habits with therapy.

With this, it is important to highlight that it is "normal" to fall into dependence on the game, since in such circumstances those who are asymptomatic manage to get out of bad habits and even leave the game completely, but those who suffer from symptomatic cannot, hence they do an addict.

That is, unlike other addictions such as cigarettes, drugs, and alcoholic beverages, which are a metabolic source of this effect, gambling generates it naturally, it is emotional.

Therefore, as I have always mentioned, the best initial bet you can make is to pay for a consultation with a specialist who will determine how likely you are to be a gambling addict.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Lanatsa on November 30, 2023, 05:42:59 PM
I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.
Dopamine or not, it would really be that reall hard to resist once you do have able to feel out such emotion towards gambling on which on the time that you are experiencing that kind of fun plus having that intent
on making easy money then this would be the best combo that could really push you on playing up further on which it is really one of the main reasons on why people do really get addicted
just because of those kind of intents that they are really that molding up into their minds and wont really be stopping until they would really be that able to commit or reach out
such goal into their mind.

Self control and moderation would really be entirely be totally different on each person or individual on which there are ones who could be able to manage themselves
and there are ones who do really fail on doing so. This is why we do see different outcomes and situations when it comes to this on where
there are people who do able to stop and there are ones who had messed up their lives because of gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on November 30, 2023, 05:45:26 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

To an extent, I agree with him. Although the luck part can not be swept under the carpet.

To gamble, you have to make up your mind that there are high chances of funds being lost, but in the case where you win, you will understand that luck actually has its own place in the entire process.
Expecting to win every gamble will draw you close to addiction, if you can stay away from it, then do but if you can't, ensure you have rules you adhere strictly to that will keep you off being wrecked.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 01, 2023, 02:33:58 PM
Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: 0t3p0t on December 01, 2023, 03:25:54 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: EluguHcman on December 01, 2023, 04:38:15 PM
Gambling addiction is started from an uncontrolable emotional excited where one has stood to be lucky winning at most occasions of his gambling. So he could have the believe that everyone would always be his lucky days so all his time, energies and funds are channelled over to the gambling because its been a flexible means to make quick money. At this point, the gambler is believed that gambling is a source of income and he could just rely on it.

Can also be as that circumstances one has been unlucky to take winning in the gambling table and all he would wanted further is not about making income in the gambling anymore but to recover all that he has lost and then he may quit gambling totally which such possibilities maybe impossible.
Even if things get to turn around that he began to count little winnings, the impression would trigger him get lost of himself and so he would just want to bet and gamble exceedingly.

These are just how the gamblers additions is instigated and gradually nurtured til it is matured to inability to let go or not acts according to its normal nature being as usual.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: South Park on December 06, 2023, 07:01:14 PM
Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.
It is not really that surprising, during my life I have met a few people that were addicted and that recovered and they told me it was the most difficult thing ever, and it is not difficult for me to believe them, as their body and their minds are telling them they need to do something to satisfy the inner cravings they have and they have to overcome those feelings through their sheer will, and this should make apparent the need to never go through that path, as if you do, there is no way to know if you will ever be able to leave it behind.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: rodskee on December 06, 2023, 07:06:58 PM

i don't look at it that way though when a person gambles for the first time, they also become happy especially when they win. but i don't see this person gonna be addicted unless he comes back over and over.
But that is how it goes mate, each gambling sites are doing their best to make a first time
gamblers felt comfortable and making their way to win as it easy as 123 so by all means they will come back to
gamble again , not to add about what we called "Beginners Luck" in which most of newbies are engaging themselves
in gambling and yes they are having a great wins , and I also believe that this same reason why gambling sites prohibit
players having multiple accounts because I was thinking for what reason we cannot create many accounts as we want
as long as we are not abusing their giveaways and bonuses?


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Vaculin on December 06, 2023, 08:17:37 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
I believe every gambler itself is aware that gambling is more of a probability, that's why some smart gamblers do not gamble if they think there is high probability of losing than seeing theirselves winning. But I don't think this is how addicted gamblers are starting to develop. But in most cases, it's the greed of money and the desire to see theirselves always in profits made them highly attracted to gambling and eventually, made them gambling addicts.

Gambling has its own way of deceiving the people most especially for those who have high passion in betting. Regardless if gambling is all about probability or not, that is not the case anymore as gamblers only focus on the possible profits they can gain in the future, that is if luck favored them everytime they decide to gamble.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Wiwo on December 06, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than losing as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
Gambling addicts indeed have everything as regards to knowledge and risks of losing at all times but still choose to look away from that and continue to gamble even at a loss,  this is significantly visible in many of the addicts and just as you have shared your experience of what it was like and what prompted your decision to gamble at all time,  it more clear to say that not only the none understanding of how the probability fairs system works but it goes beyond that to the extent at which greed to make a profit by all cost and also chasing after loses have been the most attributes that slide gamblers into addictions at some points.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Fortify on December 06, 2023, 08:35:57 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

Generally it is true, people who gamble day in and day out, in games that don't involve any skill but are engineered to give a specific negative payout ratio will never make you a long term winner. Take most slot games for example which have a return to player "RTP" value of 96%-98%, which means that for every 100 dollars you put in on average you will lose 2 dollars, but it is compounding over time against you and every bet is independent of the other. The worst part is there is psychological tricks that casinos will use to draw you in, potentially giving you a bunch of wins early in a session which give the illusion that you can beat them, but the wins become less frequent and eventually you lose it all, their systems are complete blackboxes which can be manipulated in all sorts of ways.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ndutndut on December 06, 2023, 08:51:44 PM
I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.
From your description it can be said that people who are addicted to gambling mean those who cannot control their gambling so that they don't know when to stop, even when they lose they will continue playing so that the losses they get can come back and make gambling a livelihood. It is true that this kind of mindset is often experienced by gambling addicts, many of whom do not realize that they are trapped in an addiction, they start to realize it when they have lost a lot of money.

Honestly, before I entered this forum, I couldn't control myself when gambling and I also didn't realize that I had the characteristics of an addiction, but since discussing on this forum my insight has increased and my mindset in gambling has also changed. In the past, playing gambling was just about trying your luck, but it turns out that gambling is not only about luck but also strategy and mindset.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: goaldigger on December 06, 2023, 09:13:23 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.
That's true, regardless of your reason it will still end on your purpose and understanding about gambling. This might be the start of addiction only if you don't know how to be more responsible and let's admit it that gambling is already part of the society and we can't stop this trend anymore, what we can do is to spread awareness and encourage gamblers to be more responsible and always stay on a budget to avoid addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Oilacris on December 06, 2023, 09:26:16 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.
That's true, regardless of your reason it will still end on your purpose and understanding about gambling. This might be the start of addiction only if you don't know how to be more responsible and let's admit it that gambling is already part of the society and we can't stop this trend anymore, what we can do is to spread awareness and encourage gamblers to be more responsible and always stay on a budget to avoid addiction.
Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Onyeeze on December 06, 2023, 09:35:28 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
When you think about all this I don't think that you will be fully engaged in gambling, basically gambling is a game of luck and I believe that some people doesn't think of the money they lose in gambling because they gamble because of fun whereas if you gamble to make profit by wining gambling I think you may have depression when you lose, and when you think and calculate the total money you lose in gambling I don't think that you will gamble again, so people that gamble they do it with two reasons either they win or they lose, so they gamble to catch fun why the poor gamble to get rich, so gambling is base what you have in mind, when I started gambling, I gamble to make money but now I gamble both for money and fun, I'm no longer desperate of wining gambling again because I know its a game of luck


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Johnyz on December 06, 2023, 09:43:15 PM
Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.
You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Mr.suevie on December 06, 2023, 09:53:58 PM
Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.
You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.
Really stressful indeed , I could remember some time back when a close friend of mine was really obsessed with gambling because of the few Winning streak he had and this winning totally changed his perception and self discipline towards the act entirely, because he had the winning coming and was confident enough to say that he can keep it up for some time of which we all know that it's actually impossible as the losing streak are actually more frequent than winning and taking his gambler act as a means of always getting sure income was actually the wrong move as this increased his anxiety more to try and simulate those winning days and this lead to a very serious case of addiction to him.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2023, 09:56:42 PM
I think your description is for atleast 80% of the rate and frequency of gambling addiction - 20% could also be on a higher side with which it's effects stays probably between peer influence and boredom...

Sometimes, an addictive urge doesn't even begin with gambling; it's way better with other things, but gets worse if not controlled.. personally, (gender has got nothing to do with this) I cannot get addicted to something bad.. it just happens.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Accardo on December 06, 2023, 09:57:12 PM
I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.

Gamblers who confuse these two terms money and fun in gambling tend to face difficulties and may end up addicted. It's common to find ourselves trying to get a return wining of how much we've spent in gambling, but the most important thing is figuring out when to stop and reshape as you did. Continuing that way can cause more losses and mistakes for gamblers. Hoping for a good day, when all the lost funds would turn into a jackpot. Playing for fun always has a separate reward for gamblers other than money. The fun is what we pay for, and if we fail to enjoy it, then the money is as good as wasted. Casinos should be seen as an amusement site for adults. Building networks and making fun of the results of fellow gamblers is the thrill of gambling. More like watching a football match. Some still don't understand why they keep on gambling despite running out of money. The brain now triggers the person to try again next time. Transient joy. Until the brain will not get excited through gambling, but the person now is addicted, and can't stop, even when gambling doesn't make them happy anymore. Addicts are not caught happy while gambling or after spending time and money on gambling. It's just that they can't deal without gambling. Otherwise, their life will seem empty and lonely.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Westinhome on December 06, 2023, 10:19:02 PM

You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.

The gambling activities should not be controlled,the important one is the gambling addiction should be take care by the gamblers.So he will prevent themselves from the big loss in the gambling site.The gambling is most probably the risk taking using the probability option in the gambling site.If the gambler trends to continuous win in the gambling also leads to the gambling addiction to the site.Some people think only the gambler who made a continuous loss to the gambling site will become the gambling addicted person.The gambler should understand their luck is because of the gambling techniques he had build in the gambling site.It's not meryl because of their luck,this help to reduce gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Agbe on December 06, 2023, 10:24:05 PM
Op I clicked the link but I am seeing only YouTube videos and there is no article to read. But I know that people start gambling to the addiction stage from different angles. Gambling might be a task but I don't think it is a tax for them to pay. Yes gambling is a game of probability which means it is 50/50. Either you win or you loss. People start gambling and becomes addicted to it through the first winning of the game and when they loss they would like to win back their lost and that is the beginning of the addiction journey. And the fun in gambling comes from the the funds. Example, when you gamble with money and you win then the fun has started Abit if you loss then there will be no fun to continue the game.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: irhact on December 06, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

When gamble, the house has all the advantages as they determine the odds for the games, if you win you're lucky and it isn't because you have a trick that you use and others aren't using. Gambling is a fun activity but can also be very dangerous when it turns into addiction. We have those individuals that understand the probability of gambling but still want to gamble not for the probability of winning but because of the feeling they get from gambling.

Gambling is a fee you pay for entertainment as you'll get entertained when you gamble. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you'll be having a good time therefore paying that fee will always be worth it. When you win all the losses doesn't matter but as a smart gamblers we should always take note of our wins and losses to try to make them be at an equal ratio so we don't gamble on losses but always be in profits or not losing. Gambling is very addictive that it doesn't matter what's happening around us but what matters is we're enjoying gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: South Park on December 13, 2023, 07:00:47 PM
Really stressful indeed , I could remember some time back when a close friend of mine was really obsessed with gambling because of the few Winning streak he had and this winning totally changed his perception and self discipline towards the act entirely, because he had the winning coming and was confident enough to say that he can keep it up for some time of which we all know that it's actually impossible as the losing streak are actually more frequent than winning and taking his gambler act as a means of always getting sure income was actually the wrong move as this increased his anxiety more to try and simulate those winning days and this lead to a very serious case of addiction to him.
While a gambler will always welcome a big win or a winning streak, sometimes this is the worst thing that it could happen to them, because even if they know very well that gambling should not be able to produce them any profits no matter what they do, once they get a taste of that money they will want more and more, so they stop taking care of their money and instead they begin to bet as if the odds were in their favor, and when they realize the massive mistake they have committed there is not much they can do about it anymore.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Hewlet on December 13, 2023, 07:11:31 PM
Read this transcript of Basically, your opinion.

The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I
this is a one sided analogy regarding peoples thought process before even starting gambling. For some, this is true because they just want to have fun and really become too concerned about the amount they use in the course of the gamble, others start gambling because for some, they've watched how the whole gambling process works and have gambled in their mind and have seen results and just feel it's only wise to put in an extra effort in doing anysid into the given gambling to understand it more and after a  while, you see them fully emerged in the activity of gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: stomachgrowls on December 13, 2023, 08:37:09 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Even if we do really say up into ourselves that we do only play just for fun and entertainment but on the time that you are already on the field on which you are already playing gambling then all of these things would really be changed up along the way and its not something new and this is why gambling business is profitable on which it is really just that because gamblers are really that impulsive when it comes to these things on which on the time that they do gamble then they would really be having that kind reaction on which it is really that very common. You might be saying to yourself that you are really just that playing for fun but on the time that you are
already playing then this is where it do changed up on the time that you would be making some consecutive loss on which it would really be that so common that you would be chasing up those things.
Addiction starts on the time that you would really be continuing on playing despite of the condition that you are in. You cant really just that easily accept that you are really that losing money
but still tend to chase up and hoping that you could really be able to recover.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Wakate on December 14, 2023, 09:57:15 PM
Read this transcript of Basically, your opinion.

The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I
this is a one sided analogy regarding peoples thought process before even starting gambling. For some, this is true because they just want to have fun and really become too concerned about the amount they use in the course of the gamble, others start gambling because for some, they've watched how the whole gambling process works and have gambled in their mind and have seen results and just feel it's only wise to put in an extra effort in doing anysid into the given gambling to understand it more and after a  while, you see them fully emerged in the activity of gambling.
Gambling addiction mostly start gradually without us knowing the further effects of what we are doing for ourselves. We need to make sure that we better responsible and not bet as if we are very desperate to make profits immediately as a gambler. Gambling is a clean way to make money for ourselves and we should not allow the urge to make money makes us to become too ready to be gambling everytime. We need to plan and endeavor to be discipline when we gamble and not allow our greed to make us to over gamble which could be detrimental to our health. Anyhow, we need be focus and bet in a way that we understand.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Hirose UK on December 15, 2023, 04:45:15 AM

You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.

The gambling activities should not be controlled,the important one is the gambling addiction should be take care by the gamblers.So he will prevent themselves from the big loss in the gambling site.The gambling is most probably the risk taking using the probability option in the gambling site.If the gambler trends to continuous win in the gambling also leads to the gambling addiction to the site.Some people think only the gambler who made a continuous loss to the gambling site will become the gambling addicted person.The gambler should understand their luck is because of the gambling techniques he had build in the gambling site.It's not meryl because of their luck,this help to reduce gambling addiction.
If gambling activities cannot be controlled, it means that every gambler has the potential to carry out each activity beyond the limits of their abilities or the time limit that should have been set.
Controlling gambling activities is very important and can pressure someone into gambling for longer time, moreover this can also provide advantages in minimizing losses while reducing the possibility of someone becoming addicted.
And gambling is indeed an activity that involves taking risks with certain probability, but there are still various ways to avoid all existing risks, even gamblers can determine what risks they will take depending on the initial goal of gambling.

But the understanding that gambling is only place to enjoy pleasure and simply entertain oneself must always be available, this is form of understanding that is embedded in the gambler mind and puts pressure on gambling addiction.
Meanwhile, luck has nothing to do with gambling addiction because luck is about person fate and addiction is an excessive attitude towards the desire to gamble continuously.
I don't will say luck can be an aspect that can reduce gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Oasisman on December 15, 2023, 05:04:20 AM
I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.

Gamblers who confuse these two terms money and fun in gambling tend to face difficulties and may end up addicted. It's common to find ourselves trying to get a return wining of how much we've spent in gambling, but the most important thing is figuring out when to stop and reshape as you did. Continuing that way can cause more losses and mistakes for gamblers. Hoping for a good day, when all the lost funds would turn into a jackpot.

I think most gamblers knew what is money and fun in gambling, its just that some tend to forget the purpose why they gamble because they think they could eventually win. These people are what the OP was talking about who don't fully understand the mathematics of probability in gambling. A regular gambler won't gonna win back everything he lose since day 1 in the long run 99% of the time. He might be able to hit a huge win but that won't still be enough to cover all the funds he lost, plus it will eventually going to lose it again anyway just as the cycle of gambling will continue.

but the person now is addicted, and can't stop, even when gambling doesn't make them happy anymore. Addicts are not caught happy while gambling or after spending time and money on gambling. It's just that they can't deal without gambling. Otherwise, their life will seem empty and lonely.
Uhmm IMO, gambling is what makes a gambling addict happy because that is the remedy of their urges. Just think of a person who got addicted with other things too and also just like what you've said on your last statement "their life will seem empty and lonely" if they can't feed their gambling urges, so that's basically being unhappy right?


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Iroh on December 15, 2023, 05:17:58 AM

Honestly, before I entered this forum, I couldn't control myself when gambling and I also didn't realize that I had the characteristics of an addiction, but since discussing on this forum my insight has increased and my mindset in gambling has also changed. In the past, playing gambling was just about trying your luck, but it turns out that gambling is not only about luck but also strategy and mindset.

It’s a good thing then that you’ve seen the error of your ways and have made some positive changes. Most addicts do not have their eyes open to the reality that they’re addicts and would get angry and confrontational at anyone who is close enough to tell them the truth.
You’ve opened your mind to actually having a gambling problem and that’s when you became open to changing your lifestyle. Gambling may for a large part be a game of luck but there is certainly strategy and discipline involved.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: NeilLostBitCoin on December 15, 2023, 05:46:27 AM
Op I clicked the link but I am seeing only YouTube videos and there is no article to read. But I know that people start gambling to the addiction stage from different angles. Gambling might be a task but I don't think it is a tax for them to pay. Yes gambling is a game of probability which means it is 50/50. Either you win or you loss. People start gambling and becomes addicted to it through the first winning of the game and when they loss they would like to win back their lost and that is the beginning of the addiction journey. And the fun in gambling comes from the the funds. Example, when you gamble with money and you win then the fun has started Abit if you loss then there will be no fun to continue the game.

The link leads to a page with YouTube videos, and OP requested that we read the transcript. If you want to watch instead of reading you can start watching from 1:33 where Andreas talks exactly what OP wants us to read. His opinion on gambling is correct; the amount we lose is the price for temporary fun. Gambling provides a thrilling experience whether you win or lose, and that's the temporary fun he's talking about.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: peter0425 on December 15, 2023, 07:00:07 AM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
From a former gambling addict perspective ? i completely agreed with his Analogy because for how many losses i've experienced  I now understand that gambling is not a place where people can become rich(of course there are some lucky one) instead this is the place where operators and owners going to rich one way , the design of each game is favoring the creator/provider and never the player/depositor .
I may be wrong for others but for me? it is perfectly delivered and explained .


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: davis196 on December 15, 2023, 07:14:06 AM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I agree with most of these statements. Another thing that contributes to the gambling addiction is a variation of the "sunk cost fallacy" or when a gambler starts "chasing loses". The gambler loses a big amount and he believes that luck will somehow return to him and he will magically get back all his loses and even get some profits. This is pretty close to delusional behavior.
I've always wondered why lottery is being called "a tax for the stupid" while nobody is calling gambling a "tax for the stupid". ;D
Maybe gambling should be called "tax for the delusional". That doesn't mean that I'm anti-gambling. Gambling games exist for centuries and they will never cease to exist. The people should play gambling games, if they find fun and excitement, but they should gamble moderately and with caution.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Crypt0Gore on December 17, 2023, 03:19:12 PM
We are all humans but we are all different, what could spike an addiction in me can be a total turn off for you, in the world of gambling anything is possible, anyone can become an addict in any possible way, some starts their addiction after the lose their money, and that's loss chasing.

The majority of gamblers get addicted when they win in their first game, this is the most popular way for anyone to become a gambling addict, someone who have no past gambling experience will probably lose his mind if he wins some few rounds when starting out in gambling.

Both loss chasing and first win are too common as the ways that gamblers get addicted to gambling, instead of accepting that you are throwing money away and make it harder for the house to win over you, people instead choose to run after how much they can make.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: coin-investor on December 17, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.


He is right in many of his opinions about gambling you treat gambling as fun and you're paying for it but eventually, you are lured to thinking that you can make money the word Andreas attaches to this is confirmation bias, or cognitive bias when a player continues to because of luck or from their effort the dopamine is building up which turn to gambling addiction.

So the activity that you treat to be just fun because of the triggering of dopamine turns you into a gambling addict you may not be aware of it because the dopamine keeps you logging in to play, you may think that you paying to have fun and you think its ok but those around you think you are not.

You start to lose money, you start to lose time, and your relationship suffers because of your cognitive bias that it is all just for fun when in reality you are addicted.
The cure to this is always opening up to your loved ones so they become your important party to gauge if you are still good or already having it too much.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Gozie51 on December 17, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
We are all humans but we are all different, what could spike an addiction in me can be a total turn off for you, in the world of gambling anything is possible, anyone can become an addict in any possible way, some starts their addiction after the lose their money, and that's loss chasing.

The majority of gamblers get addicted when they win in their first game, this is the most popular way for anyone to become a gambling addict, someone who have no past gambling experience will probably lose his mind if he wins some few rounds when starting out in gambling.

Both loss chasing and first win are too common as the ways that gamblers get addicted to gambling, instead of accepting that you are throwing money away and make it harder for the house to win over you, people instead choose to run after how much they can make.

Yes you are right in both but I think first time win is most crucial and trap for winner and most people who gamble laugh at first time winners that they would start losing afterwards. They see it as a welcome bonus given to those winners as they just tasted gambling. Most times this allusion seem to be the case because surprisely the winners may not have any more winning after several attempts.

Therefore, I consider first time winners as those that get hooked up in addition because they want to taste such winning again and unfortunately they may not be able but they keep trying instead of them to come to the reality that they just got lucky to win, thus they could reduce their playing times and bankroll to gradually stop but addiction doesn't allow someone to think properly  ;D


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: bitvalak on December 17, 2023, 07:34:17 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: swogerino on December 17, 2023, 07:39:08 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

This can also be learned with the time as you gain more and more experience as a gambler.For example I have been playing a specific slot right now,no need to name it but in any casino that offers us to see how many persons are playing that slot it is usually over 150 people contemporary playing it.It is a slot that gives you the bonus round very very often if played with the right currency (IDR) and I have seen that when it has no intention to pay out big usually the bonus rounds end in the first stage of it.When I spot such pattern quite some time I call it a day and stop playing because it is like saying to me that "I am not giving you anything therefore do not lose time and go away".With the time and experience someone learns to know the patterns where to stop,this also is somewhat helpful to not start the addiction at all.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: topbitcoin on December 17, 2023, 08:58:30 PM
If you really understand about mathematical probability in gambling and you also know about how gambling systems work, then you will never gamble. because when it comes to profits, gambling is not a place to make profits. Except if you're really lucky.

Likewise with people who have just entered the world of gambling and those who have been trapped in gambling for a long time, apart from the pleasure they are looking for. Because gambling is about chance and luck, there are lots of people there (in the world of gambling) who try their luck and hope that they are part of the lucky ones. This hope is what triggers and becomes a motivation for someone to continue gambling and betting. And they believe that when they bet large amounts, the chances of winning are also large. And they believe that when they experience consecutive defeats, they assume that victory will be closer to achieving their victory. This is what makes someone keep going back to gambling even though they often lose.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Fortify on December 17, 2023, 08:59:49 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

How it starts can be through a multitude of ways - often being in a certain receptive state of mind and falling for the idea of an easy way to earn money in the difficult world we live in. However reducing it to a few sentences does not necessarily capture why people are interested in gambling, take a lottery for example - even if the odds are many millions to one that you'll take the top prize, some people like the dream idea of being able to trade $2 for a jackpot worth many millions and it can give them a bit of hope in often monotonous lives. On a regular basis though, if you're playing casino games where you know that you lose $5 every time you bet $100, until your wallet is fully deplete, that is an effort in futility.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Dewi Aries on December 17, 2023, 09:03:20 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

Understanding probability and understanding what gambling is as a whole then obviously I also have the same assumption as you that indeed they will avoid addiction, I will not say that they will 100% avoid addiction because clearly anything is very likely to happen, such as changes the mindset they experience because they are unable to resist all temptations that look tempting even though they are nothing more than traps. Yes, that's true, none other than because humans are created with common sense and they have a sense of curiosity within themselves which of course is what makes many gamblers finally enter the addiction phase which is confirmed by gambling which always happens randomly which makes them even more addicted. curious because it is difficult to win.

So the more you place hope and curiosity, the deeper you will be involved in the addiction cycle, that's why we are always advised to have firm self-control and control, because some situations in every session you play will always make you tempted to overact. .


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Onyeeze on December 17, 2023, 09:03:55 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
You can not be addicted in gambling and also have other experience of escape root, and secondly in gambling once youa re addicted in gambling what you will be think is the process whereby you can be able to recover what you have spent so far in gambling, so addiction will make you to think that gambling is a source of living or source of life, so gambling have a spirit and once you start gambling you will definitely be thinking to make or win millions with gambling


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 17, 2023, 10:18:43 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

This can also be learned with the time as you gain more and more experience as a gambler.For example I have been playing a specific slot right now,no need to name it but in any casino that offers us to see how many persons are playing that slot it is usually over 150 people contemporary playing it.It is a slot that gives you the bonus round very very often if played with the right currency (IDR) and I have seen that when it has no intention to pay out big usually the bonus rounds end in the first stage of it.When I spot such pattern quite some time I call it a day and stop playing because it is like saying to me that "I am not giving you anything therefore do not lose time and go away".With the time and experience someone learns to know the patterns where to stop,this also is somewhat helpful to not start the addiction at all.

Well, I think that women know nothing about mathematics, when you enter a casino to play, dice, roulette or any other game in a casino , you Know very well that Bears can be quite good when it comes to doing something like spreading some mathematics , patterns of even , odd, or something like that have already been Established, but When we are doing this it is something difficult, in my case I have an experience Regarding this , because when I was at the University, I was with a friend, we always went to roulette, because roulette had Certain patterns, sometimes we only discovered them to win, but from one moment to the next things Happened that he learned a pattern and I learned a different pattern, only that sometimes Sometimes we were also confused because the pattern was destroyed when we found the Pattern , things quickly started another pattern, also with the colors, one of the easiest ways to win is with the Colors , we always did Something like that because when we were present, What made us lose was 0 or 00, and in this case it was difficult to define how we could win.

In this order of ideas, we as a person can look for a way to earn more money , but it is Difficult, in fact we discovered that when we played it was Difficult when there were only the two of us in the roulette, it was easier when there were more people in the Roulette, people, now when it was completely full, things were easier because if or if someone at roulette had to win money, and that was when we were most interested, usually we would go at 6 in the afternoon because that was the way we saw it. The big fish arrived, told us what they were betting on the most, that was when we applied our biggest secrets, we already had signals and everything, so sometimes we were confused, we were confused because the music, the drink, the emotion, everything had an Influence.



Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: maydna on December 17, 2023, 11:32:45 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
You can not be addicted in gambling and also have other experience of escape root, and secondly in gambling once youa re addicted in gambling what you will be think is the process whereby you can be able to recover what you have spent so far in gambling, so addiction will make you to think that gambling is a source of living or source of life, so gambling have a spirit and once you start gambling you will definitely be thinking to make or win millions with gambling
If they only think about winning millions by gambling from the start, they will experience disappointment because gambling will not give them that easily. They will lose more than they win at gambling games, even until they run out of money. They can get money from gambling but cannot get the winnings every day because more losses will come than they think. That's what will make them deeper into gambling until finally they become addicted to gambling, and they don't realize that they are addicted to gambling. If they want to make money, they should look elsewhere and not from gambling because that won't work for most people, so they shouldn't try too hard to get it.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: South Park on December 20, 2023, 08:10:46 PM
If they only think about winning millions by gambling from the start, they will experience disappointment because gambling will not give them that easily. They will lose more than they win at gambling games, even until they run out of money. They can get money from gambling but cannot get the winnings every day because more losses will come than they think. That's what will make them deeper into gambling until finally they become addicted to gambling, and they don't realize that they are addicted to gambling. If they want to make money, they should look elsewhere and not from gambling because that won't work for most people, so they shouldn't try too hard to get it.
The allure of easy money is simply too strong for some people, but what they fail to realize is that what they consider to be easy money is in fact the most difficult way to make money that exists, as if you get a job and work hard then you will get a pay for your efforts, but in gambling since the odds are against you and if you bet for long enough then it becomes a certainty that you will lose money instead of making any, and yet there are many people every day that try to make money this way.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: rhomelmabini on December 20, 2023, 08:55:18 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
I think that definitely that's the perfect analogy I have ever read and I couldn't agree for more. Those biases are clearly the indicator we get drawn on it, it's really not noticeable but biases live upon us day by day not just in gambling but even on information we get especially nowadays in social media.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Accardo on December 20, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

This can also be learned with the time as you gain more and more experience as a gambler.For example I have been playing a specific slot right now,no need to name it but in any casino that offers us to see how many persons are playing that slot it is usually over 150 people contemporary playing it.It is a slot that gives you the bonus round very very often if played with the right currency (IDR) and I have seen that when it has no intention to pay out big usually the bonus rounds end in the first stage of it.When I spot such pattern quite some time I call it a day and stop playing because it is like saying to me that "I am not giving you anything therefore do not lose time and go away".With the time and experience someone learns to know the patterns where to stop,this also is somewhat helpful to not start the addiction at all.

Well, I think that women know nothing about mathematics, when you enter a casino to play, dice, roulette or any other game in a casino , you Know very well that Bears can be quite good when it comes to doing something like spreading some mathematics , patterns of even , odd, or something like that have already been Established, but When we are doing this it is something difficult, in my case I have an experience Regarding this , because when I was at the University, I was with a friend, we always went to roulette, because roulette had Certain patterns, sometimes we only discovered them to win, but from one moment to the next things Happened that he learned a pattern and I learned a different pattern, only that sometimes Sometimes we were also confused because the pattern was destroyed when we found the Pattern , things quickly started another pattern, also with the colors, one of the easiest ways to win is with the Colors , we always did Something like that because when we were present, What made us lose was 0 or 00, and in this case it was difficult to define how we could win.

In this order of ideas, we as a person can look for a way to earn more money , but it is Difficult, in fact we discovered that when we played it was Difficult when there were only the two of us in the roulette, it was easier when there were more people in the Roulette, people, now when it was completely full, things were easier because if or if someone at roulette had to win money, and that was when we were most interested, usually we would go at 6 in the afternoon because that was the way we saw it. The big fish arrived, told us what they were betting on the most, that was when we applied our biggest secrets, we already had signals and everything, so sometimes we were confused, we were confused because the music, the drink, the emotion, everything had an Influence.


Understanding probability works well for excellent Mathematicians, but sometimes they'll lose in gambling because the house also uniquely applies those mathematical rules and can be changed once discovered that a gambler is trying to discover the formula used in instructing the slot machine. Games like Dice can easily be known by a mathematician as he'll be able to detect an unfair die. While they have advantages over gambling outcomes, when and what to predict, they still fall for some losses, and when not careful would lose out more money, as they'll rely on their knowledge for probability which may end up failing them. Was once playing a poker game with some elderly men and a young teenager and one man at the table predicted that from the law of probability, he'll win before the next two rounds, and I wasn't there to know if it worked or not. But, somehow he was right, as it had to do with the knowledge of the people around him and the cards issued to him.

Games like roulette are difficult to predict using probabilities, as the numbers are too much to predict where the ball would roll and stop. Hence I prefer the strategy of choosing the color, black or red. It makes the prediction easier, though it has a lesser payout. When looking for a higher payout predicting 1-9 or a few ranges of numbers still works fine. It's better than losing out trying to predict the exact number, which has the most reward. Black roulette is a game that helps the player figure out some technique that could yield him some funds if he's active and observes the way the ball moves. However it takes a longer time to devise a strong strategy that works for the game, but once the game begins to interest a gambler he can make great predictions. A mathematician also has to undergo this process to be able to perform well in roulette games.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: stomachgrowls on December 20, 2023, 09:27:03 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
I think that definitely that's the perfect analogy I have ever read and I couldn't agree for more. Those biases are clearly the indicator we get drawn on it, it's really not noticeable but biases live upon us day by day not just in gambling but even on information we get especially nowadays in social media.
Before you would be starting on playing gambling then you would really be having those kind of thoughts on which it would really be something that pertains about responsible gambling on which you would really be setting those borderlines and telling that you shouldnt really be going beyond those lines but on the time that you do already have that session then everything would really be changed up along the way and its something that it is really hard to resist. Yes, you are thinking that gambling spending or money lost is really acting some sort of tax or simply that you are just playing for fun but it is really that very normal that your mind
and emotion would really be sharing up that kind of thoughts and idea that losing money isnt a must thing that happen. This is where it do triggers out for someone to become that desperate.

Each person does have that different level when it comes to things specially if we do speak about gambling where money could come fast and go. So it would really be just that right that
you should really be that mindful always on the things that you are dealing with.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Gozie51 on December 20, 2023, 09:59:14 PM
If they only think about winning millions by gambling from the start, they will experience disappointment because gambling will not give them that easily. They will lose more than they win at gambling games, even until they run out of money. They can get money from gambling but cannot get the winnings every day because more losses will come than they think. That's what will make them deeper into gambling until finally they become addicted to gambling, and they don't realize that they are addicted to gambling. If they want to make money, they should look elsewhere and not from gambling because that won't work for most people, so they shouldn't try too hard to get it.
The allure of easy money is simply too strong for some people, but what they fail to realize is that what they consider to be easy money is in fact the most difficult way to make money that exists, as if you get a job and work hard then you will get a pay for your efforts, but in gambling since the odds are against you and if you bet for long enough then it becomes a certainty that you will lose money instead of making any, and yet there are many people every day that try to make money this way.

The truth is that everyone wants money and easy money at that and most have seen gambling to be able to do that and that is why we are having more gamblers this time yet many are not succeeding. Gambling winnings is only temporary. If you win today you may not win tomorrow and you will need to use the money won to keep playing until you have another win but being unlucky is usually the case that you have to go back to deposit more money.

Hoping to make huge earnings from gambling is skin to the reason for the bizarre news we get concerning gambling loses on this forum. If gamblers manage their bankroll properly, those cases of outrageous loses may not happen. Gambling is not a get rich quick scheme, it is most difficult to have a consistent win and if you don't have consistent winning you will earn up losing what you have won and make new deposit to continue playing.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Weawant on December 20, 2023, 11:02:04 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
You can not be addicted in gambling and also have other experience of escape root, and secondly in gambling once youa re addicted in gambling what you will be think is the process whereby you can be able to recover what you have spent so far in gambling, so addiction will make you to think that gambling is a source of living or source of life, so gambling have a spirit and once you start gambling you will definitely be thinking to make or win millions with gambling
Gambling addiction is something we should never allow ourselves to get to experience before we are able to stop because in some cases, you may not be able to quit gambling at the time you get addicted especially when you begin to think towards recovering all they you have lost gambling, you may end up becoming so addicted that you may not be able to stop again.

When you gamble, don't allow your self to think that by gambling more you will be able to get back all that you have lost gambling because it's a trap to getting you addicted without really knowing but if you are cautious enough to just setting a limit daily regardless of how much you lost or win, there are chances you will maintain a healthy gambling habit with little or no addiction but it's best with no addiction. staying responsible gambling is another way to escape addiction especially when you know how well to manage your bankroll.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Slow death on December 20, 2023, 11:03:17 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

Because and sports betting are games that depend on mathematical skills for the person to be able to achieve some success, but even so there are many people who are very skilled in mathematics and poker and who are people addicted to gambling, you can ask them how It is possible that those people should be able to take a few minutes to analyze the design of gambling games and they would easily be able to understand that gambling games were not designed for them to be profitable, but rather the house always makes a profit. but the ego speaks louder, greed speaks louder and the person who thought and acted more rationally begins to think more emotionally, completely forgets about mathematics and starts to cling to greed.

I myself have seen certain people who pride themselves on being good at math and poker, saying that they spent the whole day in a casino playing and drinking beer, wine and other drinks, after the game they go to the hotel to have sex with lots of women, so he can celebrate because he won. a lot of money. In his head he starts to look at the poker game as his fight against the casino in which they are mortal enemies. When the guy loses, he starts making threats that he will play again the next day and win a lot of money to harm the casino, and then he will play again the next day to win more money. and the guy actually goes back to playing the next day.

he no longer realizes that he is addicted to gambling, and when he loses all his capital the real problem begins, he will sell everything he has to go back to gambling, after he sells everything and there is nothing left for him to sell, he will not do it again. Some loan to continue playing and he asked for everything again. This cycle will only end when he is arrested or killed or if someone with courage and a good eye discovers early on that he is addicted and needs urgent treatment and takes him to the gallows and puts him in isolation in a place very far from people and with no internet for him. be able to heal. are the only possible ends


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Iroh on December 20, 2023, 11:09:33 PM
People who understand probability will not be addicted to gambling, because they know when to enter and when to end betting.
The only reason I believe why gambling is addictive is because the human brain is taught the phrase "you can win big by gambling".
This makes people compete to risk their money to gamble and hope to win big. The more often he loses, the more his subconscious mind automatically appears to want to play more often to take revenge for his defeat.

In a way, you’re right. People who are aware and fully understand probability won’t necessarily fall into addiction. There is great awareness that the game could go either way and you could lose as well as have a win.
I don’t think we’re taught about the possibility of wining big with gambling. But the success stories of numerous people over the years who have played and won big with gambling. Those big wins won by other people is motivation enough for others to continue having high hopes of winning theirs. The more success stories they hear, the more motivated they become. He probably won’t be aware of the accumulated amount of money lost during the quest to win big.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: uneng on December 20, 2023, 11:24:56 PM
Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability.
It's not a tax, but there is tax included, like every other services you pay for. When you go to the movies, you are going there to have fun and there is a tax added to the ticket price. When you go travelling, eating out, to the night club, concert, theater there is also a tax included on the final price you are going to pay, but it worths, because you are getting entertained and satisfied. The same applies to gambling.

If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble.
Why not? Rationally gamblers know the chances are against them on long run due to the house edge factor. Still, they are gambling because, rationally, it's a activity which gives them pleasure and enjoyment. If the gambling routine is functional, it's totally rational from gamblers side.

The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun."
That is true, and it's a pretty rational thought from gamblers...

But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
If people can't do that, just don't gamble. It's not a hobby for them in this case. If something isn't being healthy and rewarding for you, give up and stay away. What the people you mentioned should do is to seek for activities which will fulfill their personal needs. There are many other things to do aiming to liberate happiness and pleasure hormones.

Anyway, gambling process will only trigger such noxious responses in case the person has a predisposition to develop an addictive behavior. It doesn't happen to everyone, neither to most people. Only few people will face this issue, otherwise we would be already living in a society of degenerated gamblers.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: alegotardo on December 20, 2023, 11:51:38 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.


The worst mistake in any bet is to count only on winnings and forget about all the money you have already lost. I think this is worse than that player who bitterly recounts all the defeats he has had and is still chasing the loss, because the latter knows he is doing badly... the problem is when someone doesn't realize how much money they have losing, even if it's just for fun.

In fact, I think that if people actually knew all the probabilities of the game, they would play much less... most players enter games with the objective of making money and not having fun.

Would it be ideal for everyone to know the probabilities? Should casinos make this information very explicit: "your chances of winning something with this game are only 40%"?
No, I don't think so, because even then this information would still go unnoticed by many players.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Hirose UK on December 21, 2023, 06:51:04 AM
Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability.
It's not a tax, but there is tax included, like every other services you pay for. When you go to the movies, you are going there to have fun and there is a tax added to the ticket price. When you go travelling, eating out, to the night club, concert, theater there is also a tax included on the final price you are going to pay, but it worths, because you are getting entertained and satisfied. The same applies to gambling.
You are right, because we gamble for entertainment and pleasure, everything that has to be spent or paid for each bet must be acceptable and just think of it as payment for the pleasure we feel, the better idea is to think of these expenses as the same as paying when going to entertainment venues.
If we have wrong assumptions and always think that spending is not appropriate then my advice is not to continue and leave gambling because gambling is an activity that requires certain amount of money and of course you have to be willing to lose that amount of money.
Nothing is free, no one can get what they want just for free because satisfaction always has price to pay.

If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble.
Why not? Rationally gamblers know the chances are against them on long run due to the house edge factor. Still, they are gambling because, rationally, it's a activity which gives them pleasure and enjoyment. If the gambling routine is functional, it's totally rational from gamblers side.
Indeed, every gambler can and certainly knows how probability works in gambling and in fact they still gamble, they still use the money they have earned from work just to gamble and most of them also gamble rationally.
The only answer is that they gamble with pleasure, in fact they are aware of all the risks and consequences of gambling which can result in addiction or massive losses, but they throw away all these thoughts for the sake of the pleasure they can get.
After all, they gamble with their own money and their own decisions so no one knows what their goals and mindset are towards gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 21, 2023, 10:24:18 AM
Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability.
It's not a tax, but there is tax included, like every other services you pay for. When you go to the movies, you are going there to have fun and there is a tax added to the ticket price. When you go travelling, eating out, to the night club, concert, theater there is also a tax included on the final price you are going to pay, but it worths, because you are getting entertained and satisfied. The same applies to gambling.
You are right, because we gamble for entertainment and pleasure, everything that has to be spent or paid for each bet must be acceptable and just think of it as payment for the pleasure we feel, the better idea is to think of these expenses as the same as paying when going to entertainment venues.
If we have wrong assumptions and always think that spending is not appropriate then my advice is not to continue and leave gambling because gambling is an activity that requires certain amount of money and of course you have to be willing to lose that amount of money.
Nothing is free, no one can get what they want just for free because satisfaction always has price to pay.
Yes, it is best to leave gambling if we feel that it is no longer what we hoped for. We can't stay gambling while not getting what we want. Maybe it is time for us to leave gambling even though we have lost some money from gambling before, but that is a risk we accept because in gambling, we do have the opportunity to experience defeat. The defeat can even be big if we are not good at controlling ourselves and we will lose more money.

In the beginning, people played gambling just because they wanted to know what gambling games were like. But over time, they become more and more interested and then get deeper into gambling without thinking about what risks could happen to them so they keep gambling. And many people don't understand how probability works so they just get deeper and deeper into gambling without being able to understand when they should leave gambling. But they have been given the opportunity to quit gambling without any coercion and they still want to gamble because they still hope to win from gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: bangjoe on December 21, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Simple analogy, they try, then get a profit, then try again and again because of greed to want to win more than before.

then they use bigger money with the heart of wanting to get bigger profits, but in fact they lose, and then chase their losses to get the money they have lost, this is in accordance with the cycle of why people are addicted to gambling, until in the end they have a mindset Prioritize the possibility of subsequent opportunities to get opportunities that have a 5% win.

they lose their minds and believe in the small probability of winning because their logic believes in a big win awaiting them.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: alastantiger on December 21, 2023, 11:17:16 AM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Kelvinid on December 21, 2023, 11:29:11 AM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.
Humans are truly emotional in everything, that is somewhat a unique creation but because of that thing, we never win everything we want like winning in gambling. And that simple analogy gives an idea to the casino owners and takes advantage of our weakness. Addiction really exists because we let it happen and because we let our emotions control our minds. The solution to this problem is just ourselves, not the other person because we are the ones who manage ourselves, not them.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: piebeyb on December 21, 2023, 11:33:53 AM
they lose their minds and believe in the small probability of winning because their logic believes in a big win awaiting them.
In fact, it all starts with a person's greed and high curiosity so that sometimes people often forget themselves when gambling, usually hoping for a small opportunity to get a big win that they don't necessarily get but they believe that they will get it so that the small win that they should It could be a win and also a profit, on the contrary, it is lost again in order to get a big win but you don't get anything.

The point is that those who play do not limit themselves because they do not control it properly will definitely become addicted in the end because they will gamble following their greedy behavior which will never end so that what they are chasing continues to haunt them even though in the end they never get anything except bankrupt.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Blitzboy on December 21, 2023, 03:08:31 PM
they lose their minds and believe in the small probability of winning because their logic believes in a big win awaiting them.
In fact, it all starts with a person's greed and high curiosity so that sometimes people often forget themselves when gambling, usually hoping for a small opportunity to get a big win that they don't necessarily get but they believe that they will get it so that the small win that they should It could be a win and also a profit, on the contrary, it is lost again in order to get a big win but you don't get anything.

The point is that those who play do not limit themselves because they do not control it properly will definitely become addicted in the end because they will gamble following their greedy behavior which will never end so that what they are chasing continues to haunt them even though in the end they never get anything except bankrupt.
The cycle of little wins leads to the pursuit of bigger wins. Money and self-control are often lost in this endeavor. This process repeats: the excitement of prospective gain is eclipsed by the sobering reality of likely loss.

Must gambling be considered in a broader context? Some enjoy it responsibly as entertainment. Self-regulation and odds knowledge are crucial. Gambling becomes troublesome when it becomes an addiction. Awareness and help for gambling addicts are crucial.

Gambling isnt the problem, but the relationship. Responsible gambling involves setting and following limits. Balance: enjoying the thrill while knowing the risks. We should promote healthy gambling by educating and helping people.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Rufsilf on December 21, 2023, 04:04:06 PM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.
Humans are truly emotional in everything, that is somewhat a unique creation but because of that thing, we never win everything we want like winning in gambling. And that simple analogy gives an idea to the casino owners and takes advantage of our weakness. Addiction really exists because we let it happen and because we let our emotions control our minds. The solution to this problem is just ourselves, not the other person because we are the ones who manage ourselves, not them.
Emotion really takes part in gambling. Some people enjoy gambling because, in addition to being entertaining, it allows them to easily make money from a small amount of money that they invested in. If they are successful, their profits will increase with their chances of winning. On the contrary, though, you may truly express your lost feelings when you are a typical loser. You develop an obsession with attempting to recover the money that has been lost. There's a chance you'll develop an addiction to gambling if you are unable to discipline yourself.

Like he stated, "Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability," I can agree with Andrea's Analogy. It is true that you can never reasonably bet if you understand how probability operates. After all, why would you keep gambling if you are aware of the risks involved? Knowing that it can ruin you, drive you insane, and that you are just gaslighting yourself, you are blocking your brain from seeing anything but the enjoyment, amusement, and money you can make.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Dewi Aries on December 21, 2023, 06:22:47 PM

In fact, it all starts with a person's greed and high curiosity so that sometimes people often forget themselves when gambling, usually hoping for a small opportunity to get a big win that they don't necessarily get but they believe that they will get it so that the small win that they should It could be a win and also a profit, on the contrary, it is lost again in order to get a big win but you don't get anything.

The point is that those who play do not limit themselves because they do not control it properly will definitely become addicted in the end because they will gamble following their greedy behavior which will never end so that what they are chasing continues to haunt them even though in the end they never get anything except bankrupt.
The cycle of little wins leads to the pursuit of bigger wins. Money and self-control are often lost in this endeavor. This process repeats: the excitement of prospective gain is eclipsed by the sobering reality of likely loss.

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none. ;D
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Zoomic on December 22, 2023, 07:09:21 AM

In fact, it all starts with a person's greed and high curiosity so that sometimes people often forget themselves when gambling, usually hoping for a small opportunity to get a big win that they don't necessarily get but they believe that they will get it so that the small win that they should It could be a win and also a profit, on the contrary, it is lost again in order to get a big win but you don't get anything.

The point is that those who play do not limit themselves because they do not control it properly will definitely become addicted in the end because they will gamble following their greedy behavior which will never end so that what they are chasing continues to haunt them even though in the end they never get anything except bankrupt.
The cycle of little wins leads to the pursuit of bigger wins. Money and self-control are often lost in this endeavor. This process repeats: the excitement of prospective gain is eclipsed by the sobering reality of likely loss.

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none. ;D
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.

Most times these gamblers think ",hey it's high time I stopped gambling,  I'm losing lots of money " but greed won't let them think straight and stop gambling,  it keeps telling them "keep pushing,  today might be your winning day, don't stop, don't be a coward..."   This is enough motivation to work even harder gambling.  The very moment they record one win,  they forget about all their losses in the past. This one win becomes a great push for them to invest even more. This they do until they get drowned in gambling,  then family and friends begin to get worried over his change of behaviour,  his finances becomes affected,  he pays little attention to other hobbies and activities.  His life just got ruined and he's not even aware of it. Many people who got addicted don't even know they are addicted until they begin to experience one problem or the other as a result of gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: maydna on December 22, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
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The allure of easy money is simply too strong for some people, but what they fail to realize is that what they consider to be easy money is in fact the most difficult way to make money that exists, as if you get a job and work hard then you will get a pay for your efforts, but in gambling since the odds are against you and if you bet for long enough then it becomes a certainty that you will lose money instead of making any, and yet there are many people every day that try to make money this way.
Those who use gambling to get easy money have to experience disappointment because many of them will only experience losses that can wipe out all their money. But if they think they are gambling using their money and can accept their losses well without any desire to recover their losses, they will not try to get back the money they lost in gambling. And there is no easy money in gambling because gambling is not a place to make money.

So before people start gambling, they must be able to think that they are gambling using money, and they can experience defeat so they can limit their money in gambling. When they cannot control themselves in gambling, they will only experience gambling addiction, and it is only a matter of time before they experience it.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Blitzboy on December 22, 2023, 04:13:11 PM
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Most times these gamblers think ",hey it's high time I stopped gambling,  I'm losing lots of money " but greed won't let them think straight and stop gambling,  it keeps telling them "keep pushing,  today might be your winning day, don't stop, don't be a coward..."   This is enough motivation to work even harder gambling.  The very moment they record one win,  they forget about all their losses in the past. This one win becomes a great push for them to invest even more. This they do until they get drowned in gambling,  then family and friends begin to get worried over his change of behaviour,  his finances becomes affected,  he pays little attention to other hobbies and activities.  His life just got ruined and he's not even aware of it. Many people who got addicted don't even know they are addicted until they begin to experience one problem or the other as a result of gambling.
Classic trap: infrequent wins give a false impression of control, hiding rising losses. We see this pattern repeatedly: the gambler's brain associates gambling with pleasure despite financial loss. Gambling is a social issue, not just an individual one. Games use these psychological hooks because the industry knows them. Society must recognize this and promote responsible gambling. Gamblers arent the only factor; industry operations and support systems are.

Education about gambling addiction, stricter industry regulations, and better support networks are needed to combat this issue. Understanding gaming and human psychology can help us unravel this complicated network. We must work together to stop gambling from destroying lives.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Maus0728 on December 22, 2023, 04:14:46 PM
I'll give you a better one, and it's much easier to understand how addiction starts and how it works, that's the key as to why this video is created I think.

Code:
https://youtu.be/6CyecTodsuQ?si=rcsVmo0hLR1wrjpA

To me, what he's said about gambling it looks right at first listen and glance but the more I analyze it, wouldn't it be the opposite? If you understand probability then the more you're going to start gambling even more because yes you know that the probability is low but you also know how to hit the correct numbers and get in the right spot when you're gambling, look at the movie Jerry and Marge Go Large, they've calculated all the possible lottery expenses and they're able to understand that if they're to get all the wins in that ticket, they will be profiting out of buying large quantities of lottery tickets. There's also the math professor turned lottery geniuses out there that's basically making bank out of correct calculations in the lottery, that's why I said that it's the opposite of what he's said in the video.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Dewi Aries on December 22, 2023, 04:32:26 PM

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none. ;D
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.

Most times these gamblers think ",hey it's high time I stopped gambling,  I'm losing lots of money " but greed won't let them think straight and stop gambling,  it keeps telling them "keep pushing,  today might be your winning day, don't stop, don't be a coward..."   This is enough motivation to work even harder gambling.  The very moment they record one win,  they forget about all their losses in the past. This one win becomes a great push for them to invest even more. This they do until they get drowned in gambling,  then family and friends begin to get worried over his change of behaviour,  his finances becomes affected,  he pays little attention to other hobbies and activities.  His life just got ruined and he's not even aware of it. Many people who got addicted don't even know they are addicted until they begin to experience one problem or the other as a result of gambling.

The problem is that awareness will not be easy to achieve when basically in their little hearts they still hope for a victory, maybe you also know that in every session there will always be things that look like tempting when it is nothing but a trap to keep them there, and if basically they still have hope then it is obviously very difficult to think realistically to encourage awareness even though they already know that losing situations always occur at the end of the session or that means disappointing results always dominate.

It is obvious that all gamblers will say "this time I will definitely be able to be one of the lucky ones among the 10 playing on the table" but the fact that happens at the end of the session always slaps them, and I say it is a cycle because of course the next time they will also motivate themselves by putting new confidence in the next session, as I said above that the problem is that they are too excessive in hope and come with the wrong understanding. Exactly, for the situation of people who are already addicted they will recover from dozens of defeats when they manage to get one victory, when in reality the number is not balanced and the number of losses is still far greater. So it is right to say that this is a cycle that will continue to repeat itself based on excessive expectations that of course make them always curious.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: 348Judah on December 22, 2023, 04:42:15 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

You're right from what you have pointed out here concerning gambling, but we have no option than to accept gambling from the way they were, we cannot change anything about it, but we can do alot to influence changes about how we gamble, if we got addicted, it's not to the blame of gambling but how we have chosen to participate in it, we have our independent freedom in gambling, so why can't we utilize them to our own good and make the best of gambling is experience.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Shamm on December 22, 2023, 05:00:59 PM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.
Humans are truly emotional in everything, that is somewhat a unique creation but because of that thing, we never win everything we want like winning in gambling. And that simple analogy gives an idea to the casino owners and takes advantage of our weakness. Addiction really exists because we let it happen and because we let our emotions control our minds. The solution to this problem is just ourselves, not the other person because we are the ones who manage ourselves, not them.

That's right mate and we can not deny the fact that human are truly emotional and that's the reason why other casino will take an advantage in that which is the owner/facilitator and programers on a casino find some weakness of ours gamblers in order to catch some attentions and make us fall into them and play with them and then also once we loss they will earn a lot of money which is this is a good marketing strategy.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: KTChampions on December 22, 2023, 07:39:03 PM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.

The problem is that knowing such things gives absolutely nothing  ;D For example, you know how a burn signal travels through your nervous system and reaches your brain, indicating danger and the need to take action. Will this make it hurt you less (if compared to a person who does not know such details)? The answer is obvious.
A person is not a logical machine/robot that always makes rational decisions. This applies to all choices - career, sexual selection, family relationships, etc.
I doubt that if various errors of perception and cognitive distortions are taught in particular detail at school, then graduates will become more rational.

The knowledge itself is zilch, it’s nothing - in such complex things, only knowledge with reinforcement is important (roughly speaking, either from your own or from someone else’s experience). And even this is not enough, since people are social creatures and much depends on the culture where a person lives. No matter how much we want the opposite, we are made up of external influences (which act on us throughout our lives without interruption), so some separate facts/knowledge (which we will pay attention to for a short time and that’s all) will not have a particularly strong impact on us.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: angrybirdy on December 22, 2023, 07:57:40 PM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.
Humans are truly emotional in everything, that is somewhat a unique creation but because of that thing, we never win everything we want like winning in gambling. And that simple analogy gives an idea to the casino owners and takes advantage of our weakness. Addiction really exists because we let it happen and because we let our emotions control our minds. The solution to this problem is just ourselves, not the other person because we are the ones who manage ourselves, not them.

That's right mate and we can not deny the fact that human are truly emotional and that's the reason why other casino will take an advantage in that which is the owner/facilitator and programers on a casino find some weakness of ours gamblers in order to catch some attentions and make us fall into them and play with them and then also once we loss they will earn a lot of money which is this is a good marketing strategy.

It's hard to accept but this is true, Humans are emotional and that is one of the reasons why a person is easily affected because he cannot control his emotions properly, which can be the reason and beginning of his addiction especially when money is involved.
I'm not sure but when it comes to casinos, they seem to sense when someone is losing, they make a good way so that the player doesn't stop playing and continues to do even without money. it's like they manipulate a person's mind which is the reason why the player ends up being obsessed. Casino owners know how fragile and weak when it comes to emotional control people are, that's what they made a strategy to win the hearts of the players.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 23, 2023, 12:44:21 AM
If Andreas knows that humans are very emotional creatures and irrational beings despite all the rational evidence against a particular cause or a particular action, then he'd understand that gambling doesn't care about one's rationalization irrespective of how intellectually sound they are. I find this analogy to be quite similar to those who engage in other addictive, self-destructive habits. This analogy fits with many others to explain the how problem gambling starts.
Humans are truly emotional in everything, that is somewhat a unique creation but because of that thing, we never win everything we want like winning in gambling. And that simple analogy gives an idea to the casino owners and takes advantage of our weakness. Addiction really exists because we let it happen and because we let our emotions control our minds. The solution to this problem is just ourselves, not the other person because we are the ones who manage ourselves, not them.

That's right mate and we can not deny the fact that human are truly emotional and that's the reason why other casino will take an advantage in that which is the owner/facilitator and programers on a casino find some weakness of ours gamblers in order to catch some attentions and make us fall into them and play with them and then also once we loss they will earn a lot of money which is this is a good marketing strategy.

It's hard to accept but this is true, Humans are emotional and that is one of the reasons why a person is easily affected because he cannot control his emotions properly, which can be the reason and beginning of his addiction especially when money is involved.
I'm not sure but when it comes to casinos, they seem to sense when someone is losing, they make a good way so that the player doesn't stop playing and continues to do even without money. it's like they manipulate a person's mind which is the reason why the player ends up being obsessed. Casino owners know how fragile and weak when it comes to emotional control people are, that's what they made a strategy to win the hearts of the players.


Precisely what makes us fragile is what does not make us human, since it is so difficult to control our emotions we have to opt for something that makes our lives easier and we do not continue trying, for example when we are in a casino, not only It helps control the emotions, but it is a very powerful weapon, the fact of having a total amount of money to lose, because that protects us from not continuing anymore and not spending more money, for example if I am willing to lose 30usd there I can enjoy all my emotions, with that balance, but the moment it runs out I can no longer continue because it would be something that is not in the possibility of doing well, because first you have to consider that things are quite obvious, one more deposit is synonymous with losing more, but if we leave it like this, take that discipline to follow us more and do something very important which is to be totally well and have enjoyed the game healthily.

At the moment of having enjoyed it wildly, since things can be different, they are seen from another point of view, so that it is not taken as something obligatory that later one has to deposit more, if we deposit more, then we are breaking the main rule and there it is very likely that you will lose, and that is what we must avoid, losing is inevitable in a casino, it is within the normal ranges of any thing, but it is also good to review that things can be very good if we see them For example, as the way to do the right thing, because we enjoy it and don't spend more, perhaps those who spend more are money that they have very committed and that is something that one cannot do as a person, that is why when we are in a situation casino the word self-control is what we must repeat it the most, because yes, the emotions and impulses will give, but with enough discipline one will know how to calm down, and that is not something that will be experienced, if it is lived since we are playing with the money that yes we are allowed to lose.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 23, 2023, 10:48:18 AM
It's hard to accept but this is true, Humans are emotional and that is one of the reasons why a person is easily affected because he cannot control his emotions properly, which can be the reason and beginning of his addiction especially when money is involved.
I'm not sure but when it comes to casinos, they seem to sense when someone is losing, they make a good way so that the player doesn't stop playing and continues to do even without money. it's like they manipulate a person's mind which is the reason why the player ends up being obsessed. Casino owners know how fragile and weak when it comes to emotional control people are, that's what they made a strategy to win the hearts of the players.
So that's why it's important for us to learn self-control and emotions so that we don't get dragged deeper into gambling and can also get out of gambling on time. But most gamblers don't understand this and will continue gambling more aggressively by placing bigger bets because they think it can help them win. Instead of winning, they will experience losses, which may increase if they don't realize when to stop gambling. Yes, they manipulate their own minds so that they end up obsessed with winning from gambling so they will use more money. The casinos ultimately use this to attract the attention of vulnerable gamblers so that they keep coming back to gamble for more money. If these gamblers knew that they had to really reduce their gambling activities, they would see that they could save more money than just using it for gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 23, 2023, 11:13:39 AM
It's hard to accept but this is true, Humans are emotional and that is one of the reasons why a person is easily affected because he cannot control his emotions properly, which can be the reason and beginning of his addiction especially when money is involved.
I'm not sure but when it comes to casinos, they seem to sense when someone is losing, they make a good way so that the player doesn't stop playing and continues to do even without money. it's like they manipulate a person's mind which is the reason why the player ends up being obsessed. Casino owners know how fragile and weak when it comes to emotional control people are, that's what they made a strategy to win the hearts of the players.
So that's why it's important for us to learn self-control and emotions so that we don't get dragged deeper into gambling and can also get out of gambling on time. But most gamblers don't understand this and will continue gambling more aggressively by placing bigger bets because they think it can help them win. Instead of winning, they will experience losses, which may increase if they don't realize when to stop gambling. Yes, they manipulate their own minds so that they end up obsessed with winning from gambling so they will use more money. The casinos ultimately use this to attract the attention of vulnerable gamblers so that they keep coming back to gamble for more money. If these gamblers knew that they had to really reduce their gambling activities, they would see that they could save more money than just using it for gambling.

Whoever it is before engaging in gambling should have prepared many precautions as you mentioned with self-control and some restrictions, but strangely there are still those who completely ignore some of these important points, whether they don't know it or what, honestly I don't know but what is certain in my opinion is that it happens because they are too focused on winning opportunities that make them come in a hurry and barely do research first about the dangers or risks of what is in gambling itself.

That's right, gamblers who are completely unaware of the risks involved in gambling will only continue to play excessively or aggressively for the sake of getting a big win, that's what always happens so of course it's not the victory they get but instead they suffer a number of losses consciously and unconsciously. In my opinion, it is not that easy for them to stop in the stage of involvement that can still be said to be too early, they still have great enthusiasm and some of the defeats they have experienced may not be too concerned, it is because of the great confidence in the hopes they have put on winning. On the other hand, it is certainly true that this is the kind of gambler that casinos want because they will easily spend their money on something uncertain.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Baki202 on December 23, 2023, 11:32:46 AM
Simple analogy, they try, then get a profit, then try again and again because of greed to want to win more than before.

then they use bigger money with the heart of wanting to get bigger profits, but in fact they lose, and then chase their losses to get the money they have lost, this is in accordance with the cycle of why people are addicted to gambling, until in the end they have a mindset Prioritize the possibility of subsequent opportunities to get opportunities that have a 5% win.

they lose their minds and believe in the small probability of winning because their logic believes in a big win awaiting them.
We are aware that many people genuinely want to escape poverty, but when something is overdone, bad things always happen. The issue arises from the moment someone wins for the first time and they begin to take it seriously. The best thing a person can do to better themselves is to find employment rather than rely on a game to provide for their needs or even to pay their bills. The ironic thing is that if they lose, that is how they will continue to go without food until they do.

People who have made millions from gambling will tell you to keep gambling and you will win one day, so it's a difficult choice to make you want money from gambling and then keep playing. Instead of putting too much money into gambling, it would be better if you invest in cryptocurrency because if you lose you will get interested too and if you win you will get your money back if the market recovers.


There are those who gamble for a weekly paycheck if you don't have enough money to gamble, wait till you do. Some people have more than 5% of a winning, and because the economy is struggling, gambling appears like a much better way to make extra money. However, keep in mind that gambling is all luck, and you could lose your game every time you play.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Ultegra134 on December 23, 2023, 11:37:10 AM
That's right mate and we can not deny the fact that human are truly emotional and that's the reason why other casino will take an advantage in that which is the owner/facilitator and programers on a casino find some weakness of ours gamblers in order to catch some attentions and make us fall into them and play with them and then also once we loss they will earn a lot of money which is this is a good marketing strategy.
Casinos take advantage of human nature; whether we like it or not, at some point we'll eventually lose money. How we react to it is a whole different story. It's okay to feel frustrated, irritated, and gloomy; no one is happy to lose money. Controlling those feelings is a must, because this is what casinos strive for: an outburst of emotions that will send you into a spiral of making new bets without giving too much thought. Physical and online casinos are manipulative, each with different approaches, but both share the same goal: to make money.

This is why it's vital to self-control; keeping your balances low and making it impractical to go overboard is one of the ways I've implemented myself in case something like this ever happens.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: piebeyb on December 23, 2023, 11:39:09 AM
Addiction can also set in when a gambler has no other job aside gambling.  No other hobby aside gambling. This can be disastrous as the gambler will channel all his time, attention and resources to gambling.  With time,  all he will think about will be gambling and there are every tendencies that he will become addicted to what he channels his mind to always. To avoid addiction,  every gambler needs to have other hobbies and jobs where they can channel their attention to too.
Yes, that could also be one reason why people easily become addicted because of not having a job and also not having other hobbies so they are more focused on gambling. Personally, luckily I have lots of activities or hobbies that I can do, for example going fishing with my family or just play football with my family or close friends, so that it doesn't remind me of gambling.

On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Blitzboy on December 23, 2023, 02:36:07 PM
Addiction can also set in when a gambler has no other job aside gambling.  No other hobby aside gambling. This can be disastrous as the gambler will channel all his time, attention and resources to gambling.  With time,  all he will think about will be gambling and there are every tendencies that he will become addicted to what he channels his mind to always. To avoid addiction,  every gambler needs to have other hobbies and jobs where they can channel their attention to too.
Yes, that could also be one reason why people easily become addicted because of not having a job and also not having other hobbies so they are more focused on gambling. Personally, luckily I have lots of activities or hobbies that I can do, for example going fishing with my family or just play football with my family or close friends, so that it doesn't remind me of gambling.

On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.
I think balance and self-awareness are vital. Gambling may be fun if done responsibly. However, it becomes a problem when done alone. Why do young people get addicted? Perhaps their lack of broad interests and impulse control are to blame.

But busy people like you have a natural shield: your hobbies and duties. It shows the value of a balanced life. We must promote healthy gambling and a variety of activities. This promotes mental health and a balanced view on gaming.

Gambling should be one of several leisure activities, not the main focus. Addiction risk reduction may require this balanced strategy.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Outhue on December 23, 2023, 03:11:26 PM
The man in the video is right, if you are starting out on gambling do not have the mind of making money from it, do it as yes I am ready to lose this amount of money today, the guarantee of winning is far away from gambling itself, you will only get addicted if you try hard.

It's not your job where your skills are the only thing you got to get paid monthly, there is no income stream in gambling, don't even bother learning some strategy, as a gambler you are automatically at risk of losing your own guide one day and start risking it all on gambling, this is why the time and energy you spent on gambling should be limited.

So limited that you won't feel like you can't do without gambling everyday, if you are feeling like this, it means you are already slowly getting addicted and you need to stop, most addiction happens because people want to make money and they choose to use gambling, where it's already almost impossible to make money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: decodx on December 23, 2023, 03:25:01 PM
Yes, that could also be one reason why people easily become addicted because of not having a job and also not having other hobbies so they are more focused on gambling. Personally, luckily I have lots of activities or hobbies that I can do, for example going fishing with my family or just play football with my family or close friends, so that it doesn't remind me of gambling.

On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.

But I gotta disagree that that's the whole picture.  Sure, staying busy might make it less likely for some folks to end up with a gambling problem.  However there's usually more to it than that. 

Gambling addiction is complicated, with lots of things playing into it.  Plus, people struggled with getting addicted to gambling even before everything went online and  so while keeping occupied helps for some, it doesnt fix the underlying problem or rule out addiction.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: MainIbem on December 23, 2023, 03:34:55 PM
Addiction can also set in when a gambler has no other job aside gambling.  No other hobby aside gambling. This can be disastrous as the gambler will channel all his time, attention and resources to gambling.  With time,  all he will think about will be gambling and there are every tendencies that he will become addicted to what he channels his mind to always. To avoid addiction,  every gambler needs to have other hobbies and jobs where they can channel their attention to too.
On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.

You are correct but on the contrary I have seen those who are fully occupied and devoted for their task, or place of work and yet still turn to gambling addicts and many of them can never be trusted with company's funds or can not hold a financial position otherwise the organization money could be used for gambling. Becoming a gamble addicts doesn't matter if you are so occupied or having a work at the moment what happens is that gambling addicts is a natural thing that always come gradually to the person but without them knowing that are tuning into addiction.

However, those who are so devoted in work are the people who easily gots addicted and do not gamble responsibly due to their regular inflow of cash and they felt they can easily meet up whenever they ran out of cash at times they run into getting loan to satisfy their gambling activity for days or week even per month as they may have planned it.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Dewi Aries on December 23, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
Yes, that could also be one reason why people easily become addicted because of not having a job and also not having other hobbies so they are more focused on gambling. Personally, luckily I have lots of activities or hobbies that I can do, for example going fishing with my family or just play football with my family or close friends, so that it doesn't remind me of gambling.

On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.

But I gotta disagree that that's the whole picture.  Sure, staying busy might make it less likely for some folks to end up with a gambling problem.  However there's usually more to it than that. 

Gambling addiction is complicated, with lots of things playing into it.  Plus, people struggled with getting addicted to gambling even before everything went online and  so while keeping occupied helps for some, it doesnt fix the underlying problem or rule out addiction.

But on the other hand to be honest I personally quite agree with the idea that the attraction to engage in gambling activities usually likes to come when we are in a boring situation, I have experienced something like that even though basically as you said that there are still other possibilities, yes I agree because there is something out of control that always cannot be predicted regarding several possibilities.

But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.



Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: synchronym on December 23, 2023, 06:10:08 PM
People who are addicted to gambling will never try to understand what is right or wrong. When it comes to gambling, they always feel that the decision they make is the right one. Maybe many people are making their lives happy and peaceful in this gambling event. Many or those tides are actually becoming destitute. There are many who have chosen gambling as a profession. People who are addicted to gambling think that they will earn money by gambling, it is seen that many lose double the amount of money they want to earn by gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 24, 2023, 04:33:19 AM
Whoever it is before engaging in gambling should have prepared many precautions as you mentioned with self-control and some restrictions, but strangely there are still those who completely ignore some of these important points, whether they don't know it or what, honestly I don't know but what is certain in my opinion is that it happens because they are too focused on winning opportunities that make them come in a hurry and barely do research first about the dangers or risks of what is in gambling itself.

That's right, gamblers who are completely unaware of the risks involved in gambling will only continue to play excessively or aggressively for the sake of getting a big win, that's what always happens so of course it's not the victory they get but instead they suffer a number of losses consciously and unconsciously. In my opinion, it is not that easy for them to stop in the stage of involvement that can still be said to be too early, they still have great enthusiasm and some of the defeats they have experienced may not be too concerned, it is because of the great confidence in the hopes they have put on winning. On the other hand, it is certainly true that this is the kind of gambler that casinos want because they will easily spend their money on something uncertain.
It should be like that but they don't make the necessary preparations and instead gamble without any preparation. They ignore all the things that are needed in gambling so that when they are too focused on gambling, they don't see that they haven't been able to win at all. They only want to chase the win and ignore the losses they have suffered. They should be aware that winning from gambling is not as easy as they imagine and if they experience loss, they can think about immediately ending the gambling game. They could return to the casino another day after resting. This is to reduce the desire to recover previous losses because this will occur in gamblers so that they will want to return to gambling again.

Those who are not aware of the risks posed by gambling will only continue gambling and not think that they have lost a lot of money in previous gambling games. They can remain enthusiastic about gambling, but they also have to see the fact that it is still difficult for them to win, so they need to regulate their gambling activities and not increase their gambling hours. That will only make them unable to control themselves because they desire to gamble longer to chase the win. Wise gamblers don't want to do that because they think it's not worth doing because it could lead to more losses that they might not realize. As most gamblers, we must be able to realize that gambling is only necessary in moderation, and there is no need to chase wins or recover losses because that will only cost more money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 24, 2023, 11:58:22 AM
Whoever it is before engaging in gambling should have prepared many precautions as you mentioned with self-control and some restrictions, but strangely there are still those who completely ignore some of these important points, whether they don't know it or what, honestly I don't know but what is certain in my opinion is that it happens because they are too focused on winning opportunities that make them come in a hurry and barely do research first about the dangers or risks of what is in gambling itself.

That's right, gamblers who are completely unaware of the risks involved in gambling will only continue to play excessively or aggressively for the sake of getting a big win, that's what always happens so of course it's not the victory they get but instead they suffer a number of losses consciously and unconsciously. In my opinion, it is not that easy for them to stop in the stage of involvement that can still be said to be too early, they still have great enthusiasm and some of the defeats they have experienced may not be too concerned, it is because of the great confidence in the hopes they have put on winning. On the other hand, it is certainly true that this is the kind of gambler that casinos want because they will easily spend their money on something uncertain.
It should be like that but they don't make the necessary preparations and instead gamble without any preparation. They ignore all the things that are needed in gambling so that when they are too focused on gambling, they don't see that they haven't been able to win at all. They only want to chase the win and ignore the losses they have suffered. They should be aware that winning from gambling is not as easy as they imagine and if they experience loss, they can think about immediately ending the gambling game. They could return to the casino another day after resting. This is to reduce the desire to recover previous losses because this will occur in gamblers so that they will want to return to gambling again.

If they come with such an approach then obviously I think there is something to be suspicious of, or I mean I should suspect their goals, I am sure that they come  not for fun but only focus on winning, so instead of implementing some precautions but they are busy with finding many ways to get a win. If the involvement  is not too long then I think losing is not the end of the world, or it means that they will not mind the defeat because they still have a great passion for winning, and they will really feel the loss when the defeat really dominates.

Those who are not aware of the risks posed by gambling will only continue gambling and not think that they have lost a lot of money in previous gambling games. They can remain enthusiastic about gambling, but they also have to see the fact that it is still difficult for them to win, so they need to regulate their gambling activities and not increase their gambling hours. That will only make them unable to control themselves because they desire to gamble longer to chase the win. Wise gamblers don't want to do that because they think it's not worth doing because it could lead to more losses that they might not realize. As most gamblers, we must be able to realize that gambling is only necessary in moderation, and there is no need to chase wins or recover losses because that will only cost more money.

As I said above and I think they will really realize or at least gain awareness when their financial condition is getting worse due to this activity, honestly on the other hand I think a situation like this is quite natural especially for beginners who have just come who certainly still have a high enthusiasm for a victory, especially if they always see other people who can get a victory, then obviously indirectly it increasingly brainwashes them to continue to get lost in the black hole of gambling, I think they will be able to really realize when they have experienced many problems that can certainly make them experience mental and psychological pressure.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 25, 2023, 04:15:10 AM
If they come with such an approach then obviously I think there is something to be suspicious of, or I mean I should suspect their goals, I am sure that they come  not for fun but only focus on winning, so instead of implementing some precautions but they are busy with finding many ways to get a win. If the involvement  is not too long then I think losing is not the end of the world, or it means that they will not mind the defeat because they still have a great passion for winning, and they will really feel the loss when the defeat really dominates.
If they only focus on winning, they should be prepared to be disappointed because they will see defeats coming more often than wins. Well, they may be able to see the wins coming, but the number is not greater than the losses that come, so they will still experience more and more losses. If they are more busy looking for ways to win, they will not be able to enjoy gambling as entertainment because they are obsessed with winning and it will become a bigger problem if they don't realize it soon. Besides that, their losses will increase the longer they gamble, so if they don't stop immediately, they could really run out of money.

As I said above and I think they will really realize or at least gain awareness when their financial condition is getting worse due to this activity, honestly on the other hand I think a situation like this is quite natural especially for beginners who have just come who certainly still have a high enthusiasm for a victory, especially if they always see other people who can get a victory, then obviously indirectly it increasingly brainwashes them to continue to get lost in the black hole of gambling, I think they will be able to really realize when they have experienced many problems that can certainly make them experience mental and psychological pressure.
Well, hopefully, they can really realize that their financial condition is getting worse, and they have to stop their gambling activities immediately. Otherwise, they will go bankrupt because they gamble too often and experience more losses. They must be honest with themselves so that awareness will come to them and say that they must immediately stop gambling. And this is indeed related to mental and psychological stress problems but they still have the possibility of leaving gambling if they want. But it depends on the intentions they have because most gamblers still want to gamble and still try to win some gambling games. This is what makes it difficult for many gamblers to quit gambling and even leave gambling forever.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 25, 2023, 11:42:13 AM
If they come with such an approach then obviously I think there is something to be suspicious of, or I mean I should suspect their goals, I am sure that they come  not for fun but only focus on winning, so instead of implementing some precautions but they are busy with finding many ways to get a win. If the involvement  is not too long then I think losing is not the end of the world, or it means that they will not mind the defeat because they still have a great passion for winning, and they will really feel the loss when the defeat really dominates.
If they only focus on winning, they should be prepared to be disappointed because they will see defeats coming more often than wins. Well, they may be able to see the wins coming, but the number is not greater than the losses that come, so they will still experience more and more losses. If they are more busy looking for ways to win, they will not be able to enjoy gambling as entertainment because they are obsessed with winning and it will become a bigger problem if they don't realize it soon. Besides that, their losses will increase the longer they gamble, so if they don't stop immediately, they could really run out of money.

The fact is that in gambling, especially those that rely purely on luck such as slot machines, for example, the more often you are involved in this type of gambling, it is clear that I will agree with your idea that the more losses you will experience, because after all it is very difficult to be able to make the number of wins more than the number of losses if we basically only rely on luck which always cannot be predicted when it comes, And that is why we must always have self-control and some limits when engaging in gambling, none other than because this activity is very involving mentally and psychologically which means that when your mental and psychological disorders due to not being able to accept defeat then obviously then emotions will play a role and finally you do some actions out of control one of which is by putting a larger amount and losing everything.

It is very difficult to deal with gambling as entertainment if they initially come with too much focus on winning, in the end some limits will be forgotten which of course falls further and further into a cycle of addiction that has no limits.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 26, 2023, 03:41:25 AM
The fact is that in gambling, especially those that rely purely on luck such as slot machines, for example, the more often you are involved in this type of gambling, it is clear that I will agree with your idea that the more losses you will experience, because after all it is very difficult to be able to make the number of wins more than the number of losses if we basically only rely on luck which always cannot be predicted when it comes, And that is why we must always have self-control and some limits when engaging in gambling, none other than because this activity is very involving mentally and psychologically which means that when your mental and psychological disorders due to not being able to accept defeat then obviously then emotions will play a role and finally you do some actions out of control one of which is by putting a larger amount and losing everything.

It is very difficult to deal with gambling as entertainment if they initially come with too much focus on winning, in the end some limits will be forgotten which of course falls further and further into a cycle of addiction that has no limits.
That's what I feel when I play slots. When I lose 100 spins, it makes me addicted and want to keep pressing the button, especially if I still have money in my balance. When playing slots, I also often buy the Bonus feature because I see several other friends who also buy the Bonus feature that can get big multipliers. It makes me curious and I always want to try it, but I also adjust it to the amount of balance I have because if it's not enough to buy the Bonus feature, I don't force myself by depositing more money. Yes, winning from slot games is difficult because it requires luck, which can only sometimes be with us. In the first 100 spins, luck can give you a decent multiplier. But there is no guarantee that luck will come in the second 100 spins so we should be able to limit ourselves when playing slots. Don't let us experience mental and psychological disorders that can cause us to think about slot games and hope to win by getting a big multiplier.

We must continue to try to treat gambling as entertainment because that is what we must do if we still want to gamble. If you find it difficult, maybe you need to rest for some time so you don't focus on winning from gambling because it is difficult to get. We must be able to control our gambling activities so that we don't experience any problems during gambling and after gambling. Otherwise, we will not be able to make gambling entertainment.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 26, 2023, 12:27:59 PM
The fact is that in gambling, especially those that rely purely on luck such as slot machines, for example, the more often you are involved in this type of gambling, it is clear that I will agree with your idea that the more losses you will experience, because after all it is very difficult to be able to make the number of wins more than the number of losses if we basically only rely on luck which always cannot be predicted when it comes, And that is why we must always have self-control and some limits when engaging in gambling, none other than because this activity is very involving mentally and psychologically which means that when your mental and psychological disorders due to not being able to accept defeat then obviously then emotions will play a role and finally you do some actions out of control one of which is by putting a larger amount and losing everything.

It is very difficult to deal with gambling as entertainment if they initially come with too much focus on winning, in the end some limits will be forgotten which of course falls further and further into a cycle of addiction that has no limits.
That's what I feel when I play slots. When I lose 100 spins, it makes me addicted and want to keep pressing the button, especially if I still have money in my balance. When playing slots, I also often buy the Bonus feature because I see several other friends who also buy the Bonus feature that can get big multipliers. It makes me curious and I always want to try it, but I also adjust it to the amount of balance I have because if it's not enough to buy the Bonus feature, I don't force myself by depositing more money. Yes, winning from slot games is difficult because it requires luck, which can only sometimes be with us. In the first 100 spins, luck can give you a decent multiplier. But there is no guarantee that luck will come in the second 100 spins so we should be able to limit ourselves when playing slots. Don't let us experience mental and psychological disorders that can cause us to think about slot games and hope to win by getting a big multiplier.

We must continue to try to treat gambling as entertainment because that is what we must do if we still want to gamble. If you find it difficult, maybe you need to rest for some time so you don't focus on winning from gambling because it is difficult to get. We must be able to control our gambling activities so that we don't experience any problems during gambling and after gambling. Otherwise, we will not be able to make gambling entertainment.

I think it's not only you who experience such things, but I also honestly may even often feel great disappointment like that when I used to be actively gambling, indeed this type of gambling I think is more interesting and which is currently popular in the general public. One of the things that makes me or maybe most people feel attracted to playing because there is a very large chance of winning such as the maximum win per one game and that is a very large amount, but on the other hand casinos are very smart because they provide something that looks tempting but behind the scenes they apply algorithms that are very difficult to crack, simply put the slot is very tempting but very difficult to conquer and I think that's one of the things that makes more people addicted to this type of gambling. I admit that I did come with the wrong mindset and approach due to being instigated by some of my friends but finally somehow now I have started to get bored of gambling and my interest has almost disappeared.

On the other hand, in my opinion, buying a bonus feature will drain your balance very quickly and for the problem of winning is also still not certain, sometimes the spin is very bad, so I prefer to play casually and wait for the free bonus to drop. In conclusion, what you say is right, friends, slots are very dangerous so don't let us overdo it and finally get carried away, this game is very tempting but it's just a trick, so we need to be very careful not to get addicted.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 27, 2023, 04:44:52 AM
I think it's not only you who experience such things, but I also honestly may even often feel great disappointment like that when I used to be actively gambling, indeed this type of gambling I think is more interesting and which is currently popular in the general public. One of the things that makes me or maybe most people feel attracted to playing because there is a very large chance of winning such as the maximum win per one game and that is a very large amount, but on the other hand casinos are very smart because they provide something that looks tempting but behind the scenes they apply algorithms that are very difficult to crack, simply put the slot is very tempting but very difficult to conquer and I think that's one of the things that makes more people addicted to this type of gambling. I admit that I did come with the wrong mindset and approach due to being instigated by some of my friends but finally somehow now I have started to get bored of gambling and my interest has almost disappeared.

On the other hand, in my opinion, buying a bonus feature will drain your balance very quickly and for the problem of winning is also still not certain, sometimes the spin is very bad, so I prefer to play casually and wait for the free bonus to drop. In conclusion, what you say is right, friends, slots are very dangerous so don't let us overdo it and finally get carried away, this game is very tempting but it's just a trick, so we need to be very careful not to get addicted.
We see a huge chance of winning because we have seen it or often seen it on social media. There are people or our friends who share their winning moments when playing gambling, which makes us curious to try it. And when we try it, it turns out it doesn't match what we imagined so we only get defeat. But that doesn't stop us from thinking that we shouldn't gamble too often. But this actually makes us gamble more often, and we don't see how we can control ourselves when gambling, which, in the end, we become addicted to gambling. Many of us come with the wrong mindset and approach, but after we can learn from the experiences we have had and also from the experiences of others, we realize those mistakes and can correct them.

That's how I felt when I bought the bonus features. There is indeed a chance to get a big multiplier, but we still need to guarantee we can get it. I now rarely buy bonus features and play using automatic spins more often, although I still use manual spins sometimes. Maybe if I had more money, then I would buy the bonus features up to two or three times and that would also buy the smallest bonus feature ;D


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Hirose UK on December 27, 2023, 05:35:55 AM
~snip~
We see a huge chance of winning because we have seen it or often seen it on social media. There are people or our friends who share their winning moments when playing gambling, which makes us curious to try it. And when we try it, it turns out it doesn't match what we imagined so we only get defeat. But that doesn't stop us from thinking that we shouldn't gamble too often. But this actually makes us gamble more often, and we don't see how we can control ourselves when gambling, which, in the end, we become addicted to gambling. Many of us come with the wrong mindset and approach, but after we can learn from the experiences we have had and also from the experiences of others, we realize those mistakes and can correct them.

That's how I felt when I bought the bonus features. There is indeed a chance to get a big multiplier, but we still need to guarantee we can get it. I now rarely buy bonus features and play using automatic spins more often, although I still use manual spins sometimes. Maybe if I had more money, then I would buy the bonus features up to two or three times and that would also buy the smallest bonus feature ;D
Curiosity and great desire to win are still factors that cause gambler to keep trying and always risk his money even though he knows what risks he faces and what will happen.
Losing alone will never be able to make gambler stop and try to think well and make various efforts to try to suppress this desire until he is truly able to control himself over his curiosity and ambition to win.
Indeed, when they are filled with curiosity and the desire for achievement to win, gambling activities will increase significantly, making it difficult for them to respond to each gambling activity and become gambling addict.
However, there are also several ways or efforts that can be made namely with mindset, when gambler has a good mindset and only considers other people wins as ordinary luck, then you can be sure that there will be no desire to get the same win.
It just that it seems like this is very difficult to do and most gamblers still think that they can also get the wins that other people get and make them ambitious to apply it.

I have also experienced the same thing but after studying everything well and being able to suppress the desire to win can make me have much better mindset.
I would rather forget about opportunities and play only according to my abilities.
Buying bonus features may still be considered as increasing your chances of winning, but when you really realize it, the thought you have is that it is wrong, buying bonus features is very wasteful.
In the end, you can accept every gambling result and not try to spend more money to increase your chances of winning by purchasing bonus features.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Kakmakr on December 27, 2023, 05:48:49 AM
You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 27, 2023, 10:12:25 AM

That's how I felt when I bought the bonus features. There is indeed a chance to get a big multiplier, but we still need to guarantee we can get it. I now rarely buy bonus features and play using automatic spins more often, although I still use manual spins sometimes. Maybe if I had more money, then I would buy the bonus features up to two or three times and that would also buy the smallest bonus feature ;D

To be honest, when I first got to know this type of slot gambling, what I was looking for was the maximum amount of winnings, which of course, as you say, the multiplier is very large, I saw that some of my friends could always get it but somehow I myself was very difficult, usually the maximum winnings were more in the bonus spin feature, so I often immediately bought the bonus feature and without waiting for the bonus to drop for free, to be honest I spent a lot of money but it was very difficult to get what my friends got.

So that situation is a situation where I started to get bored with this type of gambling, big wins really didn't happen for me and after that my interest in gambling began to decrease which finally now I rarely gamble. What you do is better my friend, basically it is better for us to play without expecting anything, because if we put expectations it is the same as we increase the disappointment at the end of the session when it turns out that the result is losing, and also because if we are in a lucky situation then obviously the victory will come by itself.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 28, 2023, 04:46:43 AM
Curiosity and great desire to win are still factors that cause gambler to keep trying and always risk his money even though he knows what risks he faces and what will happen.
Losing alone will never be able to make gambler stop and try to think well and make various efforts to try to suppress this desire until he is truly able to control himself over his curiosity and ambition to win.
Indeed, when they are filled with curiosity and the desire for achievement to win, gambling activities will increase significantly, making it difficult for them to respond to each gambling activity and become gambling addict.
However, there are also several ways or efforts that can be made namely with mindset, when gambler has a good mindset and only considers other people wins as ordinary luck, then you can be sure that there will be no desire to get the same win.
It just that it seems like this is very difficult to do and most gamblers still think that they can also get the wins that other people get and make them ambitious to apply it.

I have also experienced the same thing but after studying everything well and being able to suppress the desire to win can make me have much better mindset.
I would rather forget about opportunities and play only according to my abilities.
Buying bonus features may still be considered as increasing your chances of winning, but when you really realize it, the thought you have is that it is wrong, buying bonus features is very wasteful.
In the end, you can accept every gambling result and not try to spend more money to increase your chances of winning by purchasing bonus features.
It is natural for a gambler to have curiosity and the desire to win because no gambler wants to experience loss, especially if the loss gets bigger. But if the loss gets bigger, it should be because of his own fault for not being able to control himself well so that he has to experience such a big loss. Every gambler has the right to control himself and prevent experiencing big losses. Unfortunately, many gamblers do not pay attention to this and only follow their ego so that they cannot stop themselves from gambling. Besides that, curiosity and the desire to win can increase when he has experienced so many losses that he really can't stop gambling. And that's where he will become addicted to gambling and if on that day, he spends his money, he will come back another day because he is still curious and wants to avenge his losses. This is something that many gamblers really need to be aware of because gambling more often can trigger their desire to continue gambling and in the end, they will become a gambler who is addicted to gambling without realizing it.

It's not just you who has done it because I think many gamblers do it because they really want to win from gambling but they are not able to control themselves well. If we talk about buying a bonus feature, it will not always give a big win because it can get a big multiplier. But it can give an immediate big loss because in buying that bonus feature, we use money that we should be able to enjoy to play gambling casually. But because we chase the win by buying bonus features, we immediately experience big losses and even lose more money from buying bonus features. We should try to accept all the results we receive from gambling and not try to chase the win because it will definitely be difficult.

To be honest, when I first got to know this type of slot gambling, what I was looking for was the maximum amount of winnings, which of course, as you say, the multiplier is very large, I saw that some of my friends could always get it but somehow I myself was very difficult, usually the maximum winnings were more in the bonus spin feature, so I often immediately bought the bonus feature and without waiting for the bonus to drop for free, to be honest I spent a lot of money but it was very difficult to get what my friends got.

So that situation is a situation where I started to get bored with this type of gambling, big wins really didn't happen for me and after that my interest in gambling began to decrease which finally now I rarely gamble. What you do is better my friend, basically it is better for us to play without expecting anything, because if we put expectations it is the same as we increase the disappointment at the end of the session when it turns out that the result is losing, and also because if we are in a lucky situation then obviously the victory will come by itself.
When I play this slot, I don't even think about winning and just increase and decrease the winning amount if I lose and I feel bored hahaha. Finally, I thought about just placing the smallest bet, and finally, that's what I've done until now. Honestly, it really helped me in reducing the amount of losses, and I didn't lose all the deposit money I made, and I was also able to play a bit longer. Indeed, I once got a multiplier, but it wasn't as big as what other gamblers got, and to this day, I'm actually still curious about when I can get that big multiplier. But I don't think about it too often and still limit my gambling activities because I don't want to see my money run out just for gambling.

For that reason, after I thought about it on several occasions, I just try to gamble moderately and not chase wins or recover losses because I know that will only make me experience bigger losses. By playing enough gambling, at least it can help me enjoy gambling in my spare time and not think about winning. I think luck will definitely come to me later and I can only be patient while waiting for my turn to come to get lucky and be able to win some money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 28, 2023, 10:44:19 AM
To be honest, when I first got to know this type of slot gambling, what I was looking for was the maximum amount of winnings, which of course, as you say, the multiplier is very large, I saw that some of my friends could always get it but somehow I myself was very difficult, usually the maximum winnings were more in the bonus spin feature, so I often immediately bought the bonus feature and without waiting for the bonus to drop for free, to be honest I spent a lot of money but it was very difficult to get what my friends got.

So that situation is a situation where I started to get bored with this type of gambling, big wins really didn't happen for me and after that my interest in gambling began to decrease which finally now I rarely gamble. What you do is better my friend, basically it is better for us to play without expecting anything, because if we put expectations it is the same as we increase the disappointment at the end of the session when it turns out that the result is losing, and also because if we are in a lucky situation then obviously the victory will come by itself.
When I play this slot, I don't even think about winning and just increase and decrease the winning amount if I lose and I feel bored hahaha. Finally, I thought about just placing the smallest bet, and finally, that's what I've done until now. Honestly, it really helped me in reducing the amount of losses, and I didn't lose all the deposit money I made, and I was also able to play a bit longer. Indeed, I once got a multiplier, but it wasn't as big as what other gamblers got, and to this day, I'm actually still curious about when I can get that big multiplier. But I don't think about it too often and still limit my gambling activities because I don't want to see my money run out just for gambling.

For that reason, after I thought about it on several occasions, I just try to gamble moderately and not chase wins or recover losses because I know that will only make me experience bigger losses. By playing enough gambling, at least it can help me enjoy gambling in my spare time and not think about winning. I think luck will definitely come to me later and I can only be patient while waiting for my turn to come to get lucky and be able to win some money.

Yes and that means that everyone has different experiences in each approach to gambling and maybe you are one of the people who is not too focused on looking for wins, especially in this type of slot gambling, but in my opinion lately more people are having problems. because of this type of gambling, because as we discussed earlier, this type of gambling can really easily lead gamblers into the addiction zone due to the many things that look very tempting there.

Putting the smallest amount or whatever, especially what we are able to account for, is indeed much better as you do, because usually gamblers always start actions beyond their control when they are unable to accept the result of losing in the sense that they put an amount they cannot accept to lose and Of course, after that, emotions will play a role and maybe you already know what they will do next, yes, that's right, after that they will do the action of chasing losses to reach the break-even point until finally they are trapped in a cycle like addiction. So preventive measures in any way, whether it's reducing the budget or reducing the time spent gambling, are really recommended for safety or at least minimizing the number of losses, yes that's right, everyone will definitely feel a winning situation and they just have to wait patiently.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: junder on December 28, 2023, 12:41:52 PM
You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.

That's what happens a lot, they make another deposit when they have run out of the balance they have, because they are still curious about the gambling they are playing, even though they experience defeat, it won't make them stop there, but they will make another deposit again to play again and to get the winnings in gambling. I think all of that is because they themselves did it because they weren't or weren't satisfied with the results they got and that's what made them make another deposit.

It's a shame that they spend their money in vain,  with gambling that doesn't necessarily give them big wins, because in reality it only makes them lose a lot of their money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: South Park on December 28, 2023, 07:23:05 PM
You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.
And accordingly we need to keep track of the money we have spent while gambling to avoid falling into that scenario, because if you do not then it is easy to lose way more money than what you thought in a relatively short amount of time, but when people are having fun they hardly think about things like this and if this happens often enough that behavior could easily become a habit, and once an activity reaches that stage it is very difficult to stop yourself from doing it as now it has become one of your default responses when gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: coupable on December 28, 2023, 07:34:37 PM

But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.


You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Quidat on December 28, 2023, 07:42:20 PM

But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.


You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.

This is why it would really be always best that you should really be avoiding gambling addiction at all cost because we know that its never been that something recommended that dealing up with gambling on extreme manner because addiction would really be that likely to happen of too much engagement. This is why you should really be that sensible on the things on what you are doing because once you do lost of track then there's no way that you could turn back.This is why as much as possible you should not let yourself that get addicted with gambling because you would really be messing up  your life so hard on which it comes into  a point that you would really be having hard time on breaking up and would be able to recover. If you dont like for it to happen then you must avoid as much as you could.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 29, 2023, 02:20:14 AM

You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.

This is why it would really be always best that you should really be avoiding gambling addiction at all cost because we know that its never been that something recommended that dealing up with gambling on extreme manner because addiction would really be that likely to happen of too much engagement. This is why you should really be that sensible on the things on what you are doing because once you do lost of track then there's no way that you could turn back.This is why as much as possible you should not let yourself that get addicted with gambling because you would really be messing up  your life so hard on which it comes into  a point that you would really be having hard time on breaking up and would be able to recover. If you dont like for it to happen then you must avoid as much as you could.

In my opinion, everyone has a way to be able to avoid themselves from gambling addiction and of course they can try some methods that are quite effective according to other people or mean that there are people who have tried it which in the end can really be useful to keep away from addiction or even cure themselves of gambling addiction. In my opinion, the process of healing gambling addiction really requires recognition from the gambler himself because as we know that gambling addiction lies in the wrong mindset in understanding gambling so that by admitting that you have entered the addiction phase then I think there will at least be some help from the people around you, especially the closest people such as family or friends who can provide some advice that you can certainly consider and try.

It is true friends that it is not easy and even for some people it is very difficult to get out of gambling addiction, none other than because as I said earlier that they have to fight the desires that come out of lust driven by excessive expectations of a victory which in fact is very difficult to get and maybe you will only get occasional wins at the expense of many defeats, so however we must be careful in this activity so as not to end up with addiction especially for gamblers who are new to getting involved.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 29, 2023, 09:43:34 AM
Yes and that means that everyone has different experiences in each approach to gambling and maybe you are one of the people who is not too focused on looking for wins, especially in this type of slot gambling, but in my opinion lately more people are having problems. because of this type of gambling, because as we discussed earlier, this type of gambling can really easily lead gamblers into the addiction zone due to the many things that look very tempting there.

Putting the smallest amount or whatever, especially what we are able to account for, is indeed much better as you do, because usually gamblers always start actions beyond their control when they are unable to accept the result of losing in the sense that they put an amount they cannot accept to lose and Of course, after that, emotions will play a role and maybe you already know what they will do next, yes, that's right, after that they will do the action of chasing losses to reach the break-even point until finally they are trapped in a cycle like addiction. So preventive measures in any way, whether it's reducing the budget or reducing the time spent gambling, are really recommended for safety or at least minimizing the number of losses, yes that's right, everyone will definitely feel a winning situation and they just have to wait patiently.
If we talk about slot games, it can indeed make many people addicted because it is easy to play these slot games, and also gamblers can place low bets. They just have to press the spin button and wait for the results to come out and they can even buy bonus features that might provide big multipliers. This is where the attraction of slot games continues to make many gamblers addicted, especially when I saw on YouTube that many people gathered on one channel and watched the streamer play live.

We have to be careful when playing this type of gambling game because it can make us lose control and forget ourselves and can certainly result in big losses, as I have experienced in several slot games. There must be curiosity when we can't get a big multiplier or scatter, even though it almost hits us. We will try again and again until we can get it, but unfortunately, we won't be able to get it if we don't have luck. If we can't control ourselves well, it's only a matter of time before we will lose a lot of money and be forced to end the slot game because we have run out of money. That's why we have to have strong self-control when gambling and not lose a lot of money just because we want to chase a win that we don't know when we can get.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Promocodeudo on December 29, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

Exactly, you said it all, gambling addiction can not be given good definition, this is because you see yourself doing things that ordinarily you won't do, that's why I feel that addiction starts most times when you make good fortunes in gambling, this will make you to go over and over again, I don't concur to what the op said, gambling is not about comprehending the terms called probability, you can still have a knowledge of probability and still fall victim of addiction, people found themselves being addicted necessarily because they have won but because of their eager to win back their lost money.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Synchronice on December 29, 2023, 08:20:05 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: stomachgrowls on December 29, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.
Really that all matters or depends on someones common sense but somewhat not all people would really be having that kind of automatic approach on things on which they wouldnt really be able to find out on what are those probabilities for things to happen if they would really be exerting too much time and effort or spending into it specially with gambling. We do know that once you do make yourself having that kind of mindset and involving money then this is where desperation would kick in specially if you would really be that tending to have  those kind of possible recovery about into those money that you have lost in gambling.
Gambling addiction starts on the time that you would be setting up your mind into those goals which arent that even realistic at all or something that cant be achieved.
If you do come up into such condition or idea then you should stop right away.

People do usually end up on falling into the pit just because of those wrong assumptions of things  which they do believe that it could really happen but totally not that possible in the end of the day.Be sensible
and be that responsible on the actions that you are making on which it would really be just that right that you would really be needing to have that kind adjustments basing up on what
you have observed. Its impossible that you cant really be able to make out such assessmement whether its that good or bad.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Accardo on December 29, 2023, 09:28:06 PM
Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTI88YrN1UE) of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.

The brain indeed works according to what we do, and gambling isn't exempted. The brain only sends impulses toward the activities we most likely participate in each day. When a child wins an award in school and is rewarded by his parents he would try his best to win more. Hence in gambling, we shouldn't allow the brain to focus mainly on the activity alone or think that gambling is what we want at all time. If the gambler doesn't limit or control his gambling habit the brain would normalize sending dopamine which would lead the gambler to spend more time gambling. Thereby exposing him to gambling addiction. Why gambling is not advisable to be done consistently for such problems as addiction. Dopamine helps us in other aspects of life. Gamblers also need to understand a few rules of gambling you mentioned, on the house being in control. Since that is the case, gamblers are expected to reduce the rate at which they gamble, to stop sending such signals to the brain which can cause them to gamble more or have no meaningful rest.

The house also wants to earn through gamblers. Hence the competition is not a type to chase for, due to the repercussion. The human brain is sensitive to whatever action we practice, hence gamblers need to safeguard how they think about gambling. Having mood swings if they lose, affects the reaction of the brain each time the person loses something. Most gamblers transfer aggression due to excessive losses, which they've accumulated through gambling. It's a result of the type of message the person is forwarding to his brain. The impulses now become stronger and the gambler won't control it anymore. However mathematical probability helps the maths professional to understand exactly when to expect a win while gambling. The house programs its machines, with the help of a mathematician. Hence gamblers who have mastered probability to some level can be luckier than those who don't have such knowledge.


Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Dewi Aries on December 29, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.
And accordingly we need to keep track of the money we have spent while gambling to avoid falling into that scenario, because if you do not then it is easy to lose way more money than what you thought in a relatively short amount of time, but when people are having fun they hardly think about things like this and if this happens often enough that behavior could easily become a habit, and once an activity reaches that stage it is very difficult to stop yourself from doing it as now it has become one of your default responses when gambling.

Yes maybe what you are suggesting is quite good by recording some of the money allocation on gambling for a reminder, but on the other hand you have also said something that is in accordance with the fact that it is very difficult to be able to do this, not very difficult but maybe not easy. And even if you can then I think there are still other possibilities that could be an indication for something much worse to happen, we must understand that we are human beings who have feelings and emotions, and it cannot be denied that there are always people who are easily provoked or provoked by emotions, the scenario is that it could be that when they see in their records that the number of losses is very large in a certain period of time then isn't there still a possibility for an idea to emerge that comes out of emotions such as chasing defeat? Of course things like that are still possible when someone is unable to accept defeat, after all losing money cannot be said to be okay even if you come just for fun.

Therefore I think if someone really  does not want to experience problems in his life, especially financial problems, it is better not to touch gambling at all, no matter what your goal is, after all there are still many other activities that can provide pleasure if your goal is for entertainment and without the risk of losing.



Title: Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 30, 2023, 10:02:10 AM
Yes and that means that everyone has different experiences in each approach to gambling and maybe you are one of the people who is not too focused on looking for wins, especially in this type of slot gambling, but in my opinion lately more people are having problems. because of this type of gambling, because as we discussed earlier, this type of gambling can really easily lead gamblers into the addiction zone due to the many things that look very tempting there.

Putting the smallest amount or whatever, especially what we are able to account for, is indeed much better as you do, because usually gamblers always start actions beyond their control when they are unable to accept the result of losing in the sense that they put an amount they cannot accept to lose and Of course, after that, emotions will play a role and maybe you already know what they will do next, yes, that's right, after that they will do the action of chasing losses to reach the break-even point until finally they are trapped in a cycle like addiction. So preventive measures in any way, whether it's reducing the budget or reducing the time spent gambling, are really recommended for safety or at least minimizing the number of losses, yes that's right, everyone will definitely feel a winning situation and they just have to wait patiently.
If we talk about slot games, it can indeed make many people addicted because it is easy to play these slot games, and also gamblers can place low bets. They just have to press the spin button and wait for the results to come out and they can even buy bonus features that might provide big multipliers. This is where the attraction of slot games continues to make many gamblers addicted, especially when I saw on YouTube that many people gathered on one channel and watched the streamer play live.

We have to be careful when playing this type of gambling game because it can make us lose control and forget ourselves and can certainly result in big losses, as I have experienced in several slot games. There must be curiosity when we can't get a big multiplier or scatter, even though it almost hits us. We will try again and again until we can get it, but unfortunately, we won't be able to get it if we don't have luck. If we can't control ourselves well, it's only a matter of time before we will lose a lot of money and be forced to end the slot game because we have run out of money. That's why we have to have strong self-control when gambling and not lose a lot of money just because we want to chase a win that we don't know when we can get.

Yes, that's true and it has been proven that the popularity of this type of gambling is increasing very quickly and is also very famous and it doesn't take long for casinos to make this type of gambling popular in the eyes of the public, especially in my country where almost the majority of people choose this type of gambling compared to some other games, none other than because it is true that slot gambling apart from being easy to access, on the other hand, makes people more interested in getting involved here because of the promise of a very big win which is usually 1000x the amount of the bet we place, but it is not easy. also to get it and that's what makes people easily addicted. That's right, plus now more and more streamers or influencers are promoting this type of gambling with some shows that look very tempting which of course makes many people even more curious and interested in getting the same wins as them.

It seems that what you feel is not much different from me in this type of slot game, the free spin bonus is always what every player is waiting for, because usually the maximum winnings are there but it is not easy to get it if we are far away from it. luck. In my opinion, many wins fail to occur there and gamblers only get the indications which of course makes us even more curious and it's true that if we don't have good self-control at all then obviously we will easily get carried away.