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Numerous bad news and developments unfolded this past week, mainly impacting privacy and decentralization. The recent crackdown by United States authorities on well known mixers has serious implications for users and even businesses or projects. Mixers were originally designed to keep users anonymity, and the current situation appears to be so harming for both sides and a slap for bitcoin users as well.

The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.

Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.

The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.

We already have a discussion going on and i believe this topic is a duplicate of that other topic as relates to the banning of Bitcoin mixers services here on bitcointalk, and its implications on gambling sites which are much more widely different in nature and operations.

You may like to take a look at that thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476393.msg63263816#msg63263816

don't they already have preventive measures to battle possible money laundering that are acceptable to the regulation(which is also provided to them) whatever license they have or wherever their gambling site's headquarters are? anyway, what I think they can only do here is be more strict on the money laundering rules they already have.

The answer: more stringent KYC.

Is that right? Yes. Casinos are not designed for people to try and achieve privacy. By going to a casino with the primary and only intention to achieve privacy, fill in the blanks. It's not compliant.

How will casinos respond?
How they've responded before. Tighter KYC requirements.

...and as always, even legitimate players will be blindsided and held hostage to sacrifice their identity, their privacy, their sensitive personal information and so much more, just because they chose to deposit into a casino and then tried to withdraw after playing legitimately.

There is one way to keep legitimate privacy and security discussion alive on bitcointalk:
By adding a privacy and cyber security board to the forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434404.0)

However, it seems theymos doesn't want to do that or even make a comment on it. My guess is because he is closer with LE's and what they want, over what the community wants. I don't blame him as it would come with the forum and it wouldn't be personal choice. It's still disappointing.

Yes, the topic in this thread is actually almost the same as the thread you attached the link to


Casinos are not effective for money laundering. Although there are some casinos that allow deposits and withdrawals without KYC, I am sure if the amount is large then the casino will ask for KYC. If an account has been KYCed then money laundering is deemed to have failed

I tend to be more confident that mixers will eventually require KYC for the security of their platforms. Additionally, there is another option using monero (XMR) which has higher privacy. However, getting monero without going through an exchange is also difficult unless using a decentralized exchange. However, I don't mind if money laundering is increasingly difficult to do in crypto because so far what has given crypto a bad image is that it is considered a place for money laundering. If crypto is no longer used as a place for money laundering then that would be great

For sure it had been tried for ages but money launderers cant really be easily be able to penetrate with gambling business or platforms out there if they would really be planning on making it as a medium
to launder money. Those are regulated businesses on which it they are really that getting in line with government rules and terms on which it is really just that a common thing
that they would really be that putting emphasis on whats been mandated and wont really be totally opposing on whats been put up if they do really want to run the business.
We've seen those KYC implementations and its not something new, launderers cant really be possibly be able to penetrate this.

Strict KYC rules? for sure it would be strenghten on the time that there would really be some focus in correlation to this specially Mixers are on the hotseat as of this moment.
Possible mediums for money laundering would really be monitored for now.

I think this news will benefit casinos in bitcointalk forum, as long they dont break any rules they are going to be more visible with campaigns.
Most casinos are legal and registered to operate and they are advertising everywhere, not just in forum, you can see them on stadiums, youtube, club shirts and on many other places.
Maybe we are going to see some new big casinos joining bitcointalk to use this chance, and I see this as a good thing.

True, there’s a discussion already going there about money laundering but it’s different as the OP of the topic is talking about the risks of shutting down casinos as well by authorities, in case they found any money laundering activities. It’s more risky now as they started with mixers, those usual users will go to casinos, we can’t really know the next move of this US anti decentralization.

Casinos now should go full secure and careful about any suspicious activities, probably more users will start depositing unusual amounts and gamble very safely. Smart and strong strategies to avoid such activities are needed in casinos at least so regular gamblers play safely without worrying.

There is nothing special that has to happen, the casinos are prepared for this type of situation even before perhaps this news had any relevance, everything is defined in that you must read the TOC, there they establish maximum deposits and maximum withdrawals for 24 hours, weekly or monthly and in what amounts KYC is required, that is there in the crypto casinos and I don't think it will change in the short term due to this recent news about the mix.

I have to agree with this comment,  casino are proactive on their approach to things and their for sees a lot of development and have put measure in place to checkmate all the possible challenges that may come along the way such as casino being accused for money laundering or being used to mix money,  this was check and mechanism was put in place to prevent such occurrence and such as the wagering requirements.

Take also another possible unrealistic attempt that did not work in casinos,  such as AI usage,  just as there have been some developments of AI in the trading market,  but when it comes to casinos,  the use of both or any form of external actors aside from the gambler is seen as a violation of their rules and that could result into account closer.

So for sure casino is always a step ahead of them all and that can be seen in their ability to safeguard themselves all through this time.

I talked about this in another thread and I'll repeat myself again, how the hell are people who use a mixer, a website that doesn't do kyc, people don't put their phone numbers, people don't run the risk of losing in a game because there isn't one no games on the mixer site, there is no obligation for the person to have to play because there is no game, so there is no such thing as a wagering requirement, so the person puts 1 btc and will receive close to 1 btc due to fees, the person did not run risk of losing every 1 btc, you would only take that risk of losing everything if you used a scam mixer. Another important point is that money launderers like to do things quickly

they put a lot of bitcoins in the mixer and in a short time they have their bitcoins cleaned, now look at the casinos, they are places with license, kyc and betting requirements and with that people who put money in the casino are forced to play in the casino, so An intelligent person who is in the world of money laundering crime would not waste time and would not be stupid to use a casino to launder money, it would be the same as asking to be arrested. I think we have to look at current casinos that are kyc, they are very different from past casinos that did not ask for kyc and as a result some criminals used casinos for bad activities

Mixers will still exist, just not in this space. Someone isn't going to risk a 5 million dollar bet to launder their money I wouldn't think either and also risk the casino confiscating their money due to not being able to provide proof of income.

Casinos must take risks, the solution may be to make the Monero currency available, because it is the only currency that can provide privacy, but you see that if you continue to accept what is imposed, they will prohibit us from anything and We will have to say that yes, anonymity and privacy should be rights that cannot be compromised nor should governments or third parties intervene. The day will come when, if we want to buy bitocin, we will have to ask the government of the country for permission to see if it is approved and if Thus the government must receive a cut of what is purchased, because that is how we all are, in a world of mere submission.

Casinos that are decentralized have to improve their charging policies because they charge for everything. If the centralized casinos continue, I don't know what will happen to the forum because the companies leave and don't come back, and that doesn't look good. Some do not give importance to this but it is very important, privacy and anonymity, as it happens, it will already be a thing of the past, it is already being demonstrated.

You are correct there.
The main difference between casinos and those mixers if that mixers do not intend to comply with regulators and the KYC policy whatsoever, because it would go against the very own service they try to promote and advertise to potential users. On the other hand, privacy is not necessarily a feature which casinos center around, people go to a casino to wager money and have fun and as long as casinos continue to comply and ask for KYC, they are very unlikely to face problems like those faced by mixers. Though, even though I have never used a mixer (beyond some review campaign I participated in several months ago) I believe I will miss to see them around here in the forum, they had been an important part of our local culture as fas as I remember. Hopefully Monero won't be next in the list of things we will have to give up on.

They have been taking a lot of preventive measures, casinos are legitimate businesses, and some casinos are even abusing the power they received from the Anti-money Laundering Council, I don't know how an abuser can cheat or manipulate casinos to launder money can cheat the system once but not all the time, the casino has a system that can trace manipulating that falls into money laundering.

Everything you do in casinos are traceable and detect all your deposits, withdrawals, your IP just about everything so if you're going to launder money using casinos they have all your fingerprint and they can trace your location and who you are and the authorities can easily catch you.

They should be OK still, imo.

Casinos comply by registering their business + implementing KYC/AML policies which authorities like. Most importantly, there's also the fact that mixers are pictured to be the go-to place of big criminals by the media which increased the noise e.g. lazarus group lol and crypto casinos for the most part aren't.



I sincerely hope not because that would essentially break the service. I would much rather use a no-kyc privacy oriented exchange like exch.cx.

This is a non-issue for casinos in my view.
There's very few of them that have zero KYC and among those you'd still have to find the ones that are pretty permissive with how they let you withdraw.
Most require to withdraw on the same currency after wagering your whole balance. But even if you find a casino that has no wager requirement for deposits...
So you deposit in a casino and withdraw back your BTC. What now?
Casino addresses are pretty easy to identify. So unless this casino has some epic volumes in the currency of your deposit, it's still possible to kind of approximate your address of destination. That's because casinos don't particularly deploy and coin mixing techniques. Just bi virtue of depositing to a custodial address and withdrawing to a new address doesn't mean that you have completely closed your trace. It might help a little on that regard, but is no mixer.

It's Theymos decision to ban crypto mixers here, but it doesn't mean that it's the end of the road for them, and so your title is misleading, there's no shutdown of mixers, they will continue to exist, not just being promoted here.


No, casino's don't facilitate untraceable transactions because of KYC so I guess you are wrong in assumptions again.


Again, how can it be casinos become the new mixer? The criminals would rather uses fly by night exchanges, and if you are not aware of, there are a lot of exchanges that was established to do that kind of thing, not casino.

I have seen lots of licensed casinos and have you ever seen a licensed mixer?  :P :P :P

Told those mixers to implement KYC for their customers and got a license from the regulator. It may make those mixers will be unbanned again. You are obviously talking nonsense here.

The casinos have always made sure to comply with regulations, as there are many of them. Casino will be banning your account if there will be a suspicious transaction in your account. Have you ever encountered the criminals getting banned when they were using mixer?

Even the hacked case of stake related to the criminal act by lazarus group. Open your eyes!

Maybe they respond to comply with new directives coming from administrators and for sure they would do some necessary measure like having a KYC on their platform so that they will not get banned the same with mixers. I also don't think that KYC compliant casino will be the main destination of people especially those criminals since those current running mixers are only banned in this forum and they can still operate outside so provably they continue and those people who always use their service would still use them to wash their dirty coins.

If there changes would happen here after January 1? Maybe we can't see it for now but let see what will happen next year.

Unless people who wants to launder in casino approved their KYC. To be frank, casino's KYC procedure are more strict than exchanges to be precise and is really against to money laundering due to it's strict regulations.

Well, unless these launderers use unlicensed casinos who are more riskier to lost their funds after depositing there.

Money laundering. There's another topic about this. Upon checking on the timeline of when the topic was created, it's just 4 hours difference so I guess you have not bumped to that thread yet while creating this one.

Well, like what I answered on the other thread, it's not easy to do that in the gambling industry. The wagering amount will be the problem before withdrawal so, they cannot just go in and out without sacrificing some of that money that they entered. Now, the other way is buying accounts but again, this will be a problem because it could lead to scam attempts and fake sellers will definitely take advantage of them.
Also, for big amounts, KYC is mandatory. Gambling sites are more strict now and I think that's the other reason why those who love privacy doesn't want to gamble.

That's the purpose of the KYC, that's the best money laundering countermeasure that a crypto casino or a casino can offer against these syndicates, the problem with this one though is that it's going to cost the casino some of their patrons that may or may not be involved in a money laundering scheme which could be argued is bad for the business. That's the only way that casinos can be more strict about their rules, no water can be squeezed out as I like to say since KYC is already a good way to prevent these schemes, and whenever this happens, the casino has to choose between keeping their patrons or keeping the business because one has to go and the latter is the best one to keep from an entrepreneur's perspective unless you want the consequences of operating an illegal casino or license stripped casino then you can choose the former.

Wait a minute, what did you just say, money laundering through casino without a trace  ???

The big difference between the mixers and the casino is that the casino has made the KYC mandatory so in most of the cases, even if you try for money laundering your identity can be revealed on request by the authorities.

The second problem with the casino is that they won't just allow you to deposit and withdraw to another address. They will want you to wager (gamble) before cashing out. Think for a moment a money launder deposit in a casino, try to wager and lose everything and be unable to do the money laundering  :D

Totally clear that he doesnt know on what he's talking, if he do just know that casinos are really that strict when it comes to huge transactions specially on deposits then for sure they would be mainly be asked for some verification and come to think that no money launderers that would be having on their right minds on making use of casinos to launder or cleanse up those funds considering that in every deposit you would really be needing to wager up x1 of your balance on which means that they cant really took up the risks on doing that and this is why it would be never a good idea for them to have that kind of option since they do know
that they could really be that ended up on blowing up all of those balances plus they cant really be just that too careless and too dumb on giving their information.

So i dont really see the connection about this current shutdown of mixers into gambling sites or platforms. For sure to those people who had been using mixers to launder money then they would really be
finding out places for them to clean those dirty money but pretty sure they wont really be making gambling platforms as their alternative options on which it cant
really be that so possible.

two different sites meaning two different businesses I think is not gonna move much. So they serve different purposes. Mixing service is to enhance the privacy but gambling is a game for fun that involves money, when the admin of the forum to banned any mixer site i think mixer is totally dead because of the rules but maybe the some mixer owner consider open new gambling sites but who knows.

what distinguishes between mixers and gambling platforms is that most gambling platforms are more open to regulators and they make kyc an important thing to their users. the gambling platform is also obedient to the anti -money laundering rules and other regulations, which all this action makes the gambling business more considered "friendly" by the government, different than the mixers who seem closed and difficult to crackndown by the government.

as long as the gambling platform is obedient to the regulations that have been set by the government and more open, it seems there is no reason for the government to disturb their business.

The close of mixers to the forum was the bad news for us,because many people working for the mixer.But we should respect our admin rules,we should not allow the money laundering in any form.This will not affect the crypto based casinos and gambling sites.Because gambling had their own audience,So the demand for crypto currency is always their for the gambling site.The trading of the crypto currency also in peak now due to the crypto currency bull market now.The mixer ban will impact the price of the crypto currency,because all the mixer will cash out their huge crypto currency.So we can expect the crypto currency bear market in the short while,maximum the january month beginning.

I think the ban on mixers will not primarily affect casinos. In the first place they are regulated and before now many of them hold on to KYC requirements in their terms and conditions, so it is still as before to check for illicit transfers and money laundering. So it is still generally as business as usual, I don't think anything has changed.

Casinos will remain as they are compliant with the law, unlike Mixers which are not regulated and it can be easily use for money laundering. With casinos, everything needs to be black and while, if you are a user, you transact big money, you need to comply with the casino not only with your information but also their documents too, in addition, your IP address will be link so casinos will know your location as using VPN to hide it could somehow compromise your account.

This should be unthinkable because there no way someone would sent a huge amount of money into casino just for the sake of trying to mixe coin and get another out of currency does this sound wise and normal?
No because comparing to how frustrating it's for a user start using casino going through all kinds of kyc and documentations just for them to get their money out of the casino, beside some casino may have a deposit and withdrawal limits.

Crypto casinos will still operate but they will tighten the regulations because government supervision will also be stricter on the crypto casino business. The government wants to prevent crypto casinos from becoming the next venue for money laundering after some mixers are closed. The closure of the mixer is also a strong warning to businesses that are still carrying out money laundering practices so these businesses will gradually experience problems if they do carry out money laundering practices. Crypto casinos will probably increase the supervision of their members, especially those who often use large amounts of money for their deposits and want to ensure where the funds come from. And as long as crypto casinos comply with the regulations run by the government, crypto casinos can still run their business.

They're not gonna do that as they are aware of the consequences of their actions.

Casinos are regulated, they are bound to follow the rules impose by their regulators, once they violated it, they will lose their license and possibly a lawsuit will be coming. So just relax mate, nothing will happen to the gambling industry as this AMLC (Anti Money Laundering Council) is only targetting criminals and they required casinos to cooperate, only those who are not cooperative will be at risk for business closure.

Gambling sites are not mixer, there is no challenge that gambling sites are facing or that will be faced if talking about what happened recently. The government do not like mixers. Or let me put it like this, the United States government do not like mixers, this is because mixers are helping hackers to mix coins, making it hard to trace. But casinos are not like that. Casinos are following the anti-money laundering and counter terrorism policies unlike mixers. Casinos are regulated.

We all knew it was just a question of time, before countries start working together to stop these mixing services.  ::)  I think the people using these mixing services, will probably just move over to privacy coins or things like "Coinjoin" type services.

Yes, I agree that people need pseudo anonymity to protect their financial privacy, but unfortunately a large amount of criminals also use these same services and that is where it has gone all haywire.  >:(

      -   I think that's exactly what will happen; anything related to that is no longer possible. Now,  with the casinos, I also think that the casinos can't do anything about that either. Because gamblers also often use that, now we just don't know if it's good or bad.

And then it's for the sake of the community here on the forum platform. From what I can see, the solution is also visible. We know that this forum platform is also a big thing to everyone here on this forum.

some of the popular casinos here apply KYC to slightly screen out money laundering, I mean maybe by implementing KYC the casino can prevent money laundering although some can get away with it but as other people have said, casinos that have implemented KYC are usually licensed casinos and there are many rules regarding things against money laundering and the bad impacts that are currently happening will not have a negative impact on the casinos in this forum and there is no need to worry because casinos always have a valid license and can prevent money laundering or the proceeds of any crime.

related to many people joining gambling, it could happen and maybe the forums will again be filled with new casinos that will appear promoting here.

Not sure though, it was just the US who are really into this, going after mixing services because they said it is being used by criminals specially by the North Korean state sponsored hacking group such as Lazarus and others groups.


There's no more pseudo anonymity now, everyone is mandated by these regulators to have KYC including gambling platforms. But I don't see casino those affected by the shutdown of mixers, criminals will have to look for other means to launder their money and maybe still uses mixing services but it won't be promoted here in our community.

They can't stop it easily if after a certain site is block another one will be created, it's just like a repeatitive process or a waste of time on their part. What the government will probably targeting are the platforms that are supporting this mixing service because they made it more popular, and probably that's one of the reasons why our admin considered banning the promotion of mixers in our forum.

And the government has no choice but to BANNED them all.

But..  let us not fear the fate of gambling as it will stay, the government have controlled it through regulation and they are benefiting from this, unlike mixers where they didn't

KYC is the biggest way out for casinos not to get caught up with the whole money laundry saga. We are aware some casinos do not make mention of KYC at registration and some literally don't ask for it at all but then in other to be accountable about their users and be able to get their self out of involvement in issues such as this, they may need to initiate compulsory KYC policies.

Criminals will definitely not wan to patronize KYC compliant casinos because they will no longer be anonymous with their iligalities, but then aside crypto deposit which can be made anonymous via mixing, other means of deposit could actually be tracked and that's why most criminals would rather fund with cryptocurrency than Fiat or bank transfer, if casino employ policies that restricts funding from anonymous cryptocurrency address I think it's another way out of this too but then it will be bad business for mixers.

Let's hope it's not related to crypto casinos. However, casinos may take serious action to address the recent incidents at mixers by increasing supervision of their users. Crypto casinos will tighten their regulations, and casinos may immediately implement KYC on their users. By implementing this verification, the casino can at least monitor its members who deposit and withdraw large amounts of money. If the government asks questions about money laundering cases, the casino can provide its data for further investigation. Current conditions are increasingly difficult for crypto casinos because they are being monitored more closely by the government, so they have to be more careful in running their business.

A number of mixer campaigns promoted on the forum have had this happen multiple times and the latest Sinbad mixer has had such an incident which may be why the forum has decided that running mixer campaigns on this forum can harm the forum. If we are talking about signature campaign then most of the campaigns are running mixer campaign, few are running online casino or gambling site promotion campaign. Since mixer forums will be banned from January 1st, only gambling or casino sites will be allowed to promote on the forum. If the gambling or casino site commits such fraud and the gambling and casino sites are banned due to such fraud, there will be no signature campaign to promote in the forum. So banning is not the solution but the solution is to keep proof so that mixer campaigns or other campaigns cannot cheat. It would be a good decision to allow mixer campaign running in forums with proof.

I created a topic related to money laundering on casino https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476393.msg63263202#msg63263202 and ask this same question but I guess the difference between the casino to mixers was they have license to operate that involves KYC as complying to the AML policy. Casino is actively fighting money laundering while mixer doesn’t have any restrictions about money laundering since they don’t screen all the incoming transactions since they offer privacy with their customers.

Being centralized casino with KYC is still a blessings for us despite many of here always complaining about the casino KYC.

The mixers are just being shut out here not their operation, so why bother they will not shift from mixing to casinos just because Bitcointalk does not allow the promotion of mixing here, they will just transfer their promotion elsewhere but it's still business as usual for them.

It's very risky if they suddenly shift to casinos given that casinos are very hard on money laundering, they can easily track cheaters what more with money launderers, I have seen in the scam section where users are banned because of accusations of money laundering although the victims deny it, will the launderers take that risks I don't think so.

Who will be stupid enough to use casinos as an alternative of mixer? Why I say using casino as alternative of mixer is stupid?
First, casinos are no longer anonymous especially when it comes to big transactions due to casinos reserve the right to request KYC.
Second, most casino implement 1x-2x wagering requirement for the deposit before players able to request withdrawal, it means that people need to risk the money.
Will those people who want to mix want to risk their money in a casino? I dont think so, although there is a less risky strategy such as betting with 1.01x but there is still a risk to lose the whole amount.
In case someone is lucky enough to bet the whole amount with low risk, I believe casino will consider it as a suspicious activity if the player request withdrawal after betting 1.01x only.
Last but not least, mixing sites will still be available out there IMO, they may no longer exist here in bitcointalk but there are still many other places for them to promote their services.

To be honest, i still can not find out how the demice of mixers on this forum has anything to do with gambling casinos, casinos have been operating way before mixers came into existence, and I honestly do not see how the absence of mixers on this forum would affect casino since both have nothing in common.

Even if some gambler now turn to casinos as a means to launder money, this wont be possible to do in every casino since some casinos have wager requirement placed on every deposit, where the user is mandated to wager a certain amount of money off the money deposited before he or she can withdraw it if he or she wishes to.

And another thing I will also like to add is that, banning mixers on this forum does not mean that mixers are banned from existing even outside the forum, mixers can still operate outside this forum, only thing is, they can't be promoted on this forum anymore, or discussed about here.

Casinos have been fighting against being used as mixers or whitewashers for a very long time, so it's unlikely that much will change for them. Another thing is how the situation on the forum will change. But there is no point in guessing; first we need to wait for January 1st and see how strictly the mixers will be “removed” from here. In any case, we can say that a free niche appears and it will be filled with something.

All of those are possibiities.

But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.

Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.

Aside from what you said, Forum restricting mixers is a not directly gonna impact casino in legal ways. This is just a forum safety precaution agains possible legal charges in the future by hosting illegal mixers while casino is legally compliant so there’s no way for regulators to crack them down without any evidence that they are knowingly allowing money laundering.

I believe only forum users is making it a big deal due to the signature campaign but it’s really not gonna affect casino operations because mixers is different to casino if we remove forum out of the picture.

casinos should never be considered an alternative to mixers.
it is very easy to track funds sent and withdrawal. Their design does not require you to have this function probably due AML.

the only sites that allowed these funds to be partially "obscured" were gambling sites with internal exchanges. If I remember correctly, none of the major companies have introduced this feature

The crackdown on mixers would certainly increase the number of people trying to mix their crypto in gambling sites. Specially those which don't enforce KYC.
So, could expect more strict restrictions and more KYC demands in gambling site. One way they would try to stop is requiring people to bet x times their deposit before withdrawing as everyone deposits on a gambling site to gamble. There would be no choice for users for change of mind after they deposit. The exception of gambling site with bankroll investment, they could require the investing users to hold the coin for a longer fixed amount of time before withdrawing. And for suspicious and larger deposit expect a KYC demand.

I will quote the entire post so that my response will align with it post better. Well, to respond to your concerns, casinos and mixers are entirely different thing with different terms and conditions even though most of them have some things in common. From my experience, it will be a little bit difficult for bad actors to use casinos for money laundering without the casinos knowing. First, many casinos already have a rule that you must stake certain percentage of your deposited funds to be able to make withdrawals.  In this case, you cannot just deposit and make withdrawals without playing games in the platform. 

Going forward, casinos that do not have this rule will have to integrate same to protect themselves from this recent crackdown on privacy. I know casinos have some level of legitimacy but crypto-based casinos might still be seen as bit treat, hence the need to tighten loosed ends.

Yes, I think they all understand.

But they're worried that crypto casinos might go next with the taking down of the regulators and the forum admin has to retaliate with that actions taken by them.

Anyway, there's nothing to be worried about it as casinos are typically normal business and establishments already globally. They'll just be taken down if they are unregistered.

Casinos are not worried about this. They already have a strict KYC and AML policy in place. Money can never be laundered through these casinos with these policies because every deposit and withdrawal is monitored and tracked. It will be stupid for those bad guys to move to casino's while running away from mixers. These guys will invent another strategy to run their illegal business. Regulated crypto casinos have no dealings with these guys.

Okay lets try to assess things on here;

Are there any casinos that had been shut down by the government just because of some privacy issues here on this market or into this forum itself?
I didnt remember any platforms who had been able to experience such thing but rather those platforms or companies had closed their doors usually in speaking or pertaining
about on not being profitable and not into some legal issues. They had been existing for a while but i dont see any situations that do connects out with legality
or some culprits in between the government.

So i dont really see any connections in regarding with the recent mixers situations into these gambling platforms or businesses. They do function out differently
on which it is really just that a common approach.

probably too worried the campaigns are going to also stop. but sure it's going to be worrisome, people have been around in this forum for years, and suddenly things like this mess up the routine.

where else can they advertise but to the biggest crypto community. this is the trade-off for the crypto adoption though. its been widely adopted you might not notice it but the online payment method has changed a lot and even the services provided by freelancers have options to pay BTC and USDT. that is kind of a success.

Even if they agree to KYC at the casino then there will not be able to do money laundering there, even in the terms and conditions it is always mentioned that money laundering is very much about there, so people will not be able to do that, the rest is that casinos are stricter for a change now.

If the casino is not licensed then it is clear that I will consider it a fraudulent casino, they do not have legal regulations so even if they will mix there it will lose all the money there.

Isn't mixing only prohibited on forums? So they can still mix without having to involve the casino as an alternative.

we will continue to adapt to the new conditions and policies that apply, that is a good adaptation, and to be honest, the moderator is actually not easy to make that decision, there are many considerations that must be taken into account for the good of the forum, we all have to be able to accept these changes, regarding what will happen to casinos after the majority of mixers are not allowed to advertise on forums, i don't think it will have a big impact on casinos, there will definitely be some gamblers who use mixers for deposits or withdrawals but after this policy, they have to be prepared for all the risks that exist when using the mixer for deposits and withdrawals.

Mixers were bad news from day one and few even achieved what they claimed to do in the first place. They are the very definition of money laundering and will always be treated as such by law enforcement in every single country. They have some very edge case legitimate usage, but the vast majority of people using them are for illegitimate purposes. There's no point acting like this is a new development either, there have been continuous and repeated waves of shutdowns over the years. In fact they probably stagger such prosecutions so they are able to catch many fish in the net and tie many cases together. Casinos may actually benefit from this in the longer run, as they are rather fluid with their deposits.

Casinos are not mixers and Casinos can never be like mixers because Casinos don't have that mixing capabilities, they can't hide transaction and make it complex for the chain analyst to decrypt. The people behind most of the mixers are usually anonymous which means they can't be identified even when things go wrong and government agency cannot question how they operate and how they mix coins but casinos can be contacted and if they found out that a person has violate any thing, they will hand over the person identity to them because they mostly ask for KYC.

The government can easily work hand in hand with casino if there is any foul play or any hacker that try to launder money through the casino and they can be easily caught, no serious criminal person will ever look at the casino and want to use it to launder money, they will be trace easily except if there is no KYC and most of the casinos that weren't KYC has become compliant to the government, the have asked their people to undergo a KYC exercise.

Well first of all, mixers would still very much in operation but just not in this forum, so people would still use mixers to go about their businesses. And then secondly, before the mixers were introduced, casinos were already existing and they didn't have to face any of such threats or fear of being used for malicious activities so I believe they'll just be fine, and then again, most casinos has regulations that tackles situations that relates to this so even if mixers would completely be banned from operation, I doubt that casinos would be the next place users would divert their attentions as alternatives.

Casinos and mixers are in no way related to each other or have any similarities. A mixer would allow a user to mix their coins and receive coins with no traces or identities whereas a gambling platform wouldn't have an issue finding the person behind a certain transaction since they have the user data available at their disposal. So, the fact that casinos require KYC from users at some point proves that transactions coming out from a casino aren't untraceable because you are the one who made the withdrawal and the casino knows who you are.

If there is anything suspicious about a certain user and if the authorities reach out to the casino, they can easily check all your transactions and gambling history and since you have done KYC with them, they can reach you without a problem. So, I don't think casinos have a threat at all.

Only the casinos that don't ask their users for KYC verification might get in trouble in such situations.

We should not assume that gambling casinos are having the same service or functions as mixers, what may comes next as well after these is what we remain perplexed about, mixers were only banned on this forum and not on every other platforms online, crypto casinos are also doing well in their businesses offering gambling services and shouldn't be taken for mixers as well, at the end of it all, the government cannot take over the responsibility of making these eradication completely because the more they are shutting them down the more others are coming out and people finding alternatives.

Does that justify all the actions take against casinos?
Analogically, you have the potential to kill someone, either using your hands, or a car for that, or a firearm. I don't see countries banning people from using firearm or cars simply because there's a chance they might someone. It's possible that someone will abuse the casino, but there's a chance someone will abuse your computer by sending you a virus that makes your computer send spam. With enough knowledge and dedication you can abuse and damage any of the existing systems, be it financial, political, social...

mixer service  is absolutely about privacy and implementing the requirements of KYC for customers does rubbish the usefulness and  purpose for inventing and introducing mixer into cryptocurrency. However, that's the only condition with which the government may likely reconsider their operation again but only that it doesn't make sense at all and it's unacceptable if we're talking upholding privacy.  
Casino from inception are known for eventual requesting of KYC even if they never did at registration they will at a point certain size of amount of money is to be withdrawn, this they do in line with the conditions of the  license given by the government. Imo, should mixer accept to implement KYC any mixing activity done by a customer is nothing but a facade. What is the need for  mixing when you're already KYCed?

If casinos can be able to do the work of a mixer inside a casino, then that's not just a casino, but could be called something else – or we will say, it's a casino with an inbuilt mixing service enabled.
 
Let's just use it as a casino, but it's not a casino. Let's use something like any form of business, where someone opens a legitimate business and gets it licensed under a government, but behind that business they are running an illegal business, which they are using the real one to cover up. So any casino which has such features could also be brought down, if they get big enough to attract government attention.
 
So to me, few casinos might try to add such feature, but I don't think that will be the next moves for those who are in the mixing industry, they will not want to take that part, and beside, casinos are mostly licensed and when they gets knocked out, they could easily trace the owners of such, so they won't want to do such.

I also don't remember one and that's why I am not thinking of it any single inch because there's a little to no chance that it will happen.

Yes, and that's why we should just leave it there because it's not going to happen at least for now and let's just have that confidence that it will not going to come close unless for those that don't do their compliance that's asked to do.

I think there's nothing different. Mixers only use BitcoinTalk for marketing to target their potential customers. Users can use Google or any search engine or do their own research to determine which mixer to use. There are many ways to go about mixing your bitcoin they were just limited or banned here in BitcoinTalk. They can still operate if they want. The thing is, their potential customer base just got lower and BitcoinTalk just wants to warn their community about what bitcoin mixers can do to their community life.

I think casinos won't be affected. Casinos existed long before mixers came in. All the casinos are regulated with the government. So, I see no reason to ban it. Most of the casinos require KYC now. So if anything illegal happens the government can demand user credentials to identify criminals. But in mixers case, there is no log data nor KYC. That's the most common problem. They cannot identify criminals.

It is inevitable. With the demise of huge mixers starting from ChipMixer after it has been found out that a lot of laundered money went through it, it's a no-brainer for huge platforms with similar service to be wary of being targeted by law enforcement. Knowing that cryptocurrencies are being used for money laundering (even though for sure artworks and fiat are more preferred), law enforcement agencies will keep a keen eye on these platforms to limit possible large-scale money laundering schemes. For casinos, I doubt there will be much changes anyway, though it is possible that they might require a stronger KYC requirement in order to move forward with the platform they are trying to build and to not get scouted by law enforcement agencies like a hawk.

Some mixers may have done this kind of thing so all mixer companies are bad but not like this. There are many premium mixer campaigns running in the forum which are doing their job well and people are less likely to be cheated by such premium mixing campaigns, however the forum has seen the activities of some mixer organizations and has taken this decision on all mixer campaigns. Even if the mixer is banned in the forum, the mixer will not be closed, but they will do their marketing in another way. Some of the mixer companies have cheated which is why we are afraid that casino sites can do this to us, if we think like this then we are not wrong at all because it can happen. Chances are this will happen but no guarantee, I think the forum should be a little stricter allowing mixer campaigns to run.

Casinos whether offline or online will be fine and will not be disrupted by mixers being closed by the government. This is because the casino platform is an entertainment place where people play and look for entertainment. Even though there are several cases where money laundering often occurs, such as that carried out by criminals on mixer platforms, casinos are different because they are under government regulation. And they have provisions that players can only make withdrawals in a limited amount and within a time limit, and all transactions are also recorded in the casino database and the government can carry out an audit at any time if necessary. So it's different between mixers and casinos.

Are you suggesting that the crypto casinos are involved in money laundering schemes by using BTC mixers?
This sounds ridiculous to me. Do you have any real evidence to prove your claim?
The crypto casinos can't respond to anything. BTC mixers aren't globally banned. The promotion of mixers will be banned on Bitcointalk in the next year.
Why do I have the feeling that many crypto users think that this is a global ban of mixing services? Why do so many people think that banning BTC mixers is something bad?
Many users joining casinos as an alternative to a mixer? This is plain stupid. You know that KYC is mandatory in most casinos, right?
You should know that there's a chance for the money launderers to lose their money, by betting in a casino(even with high odds).

It doesn't make senses at all to use casino for mixing, people behind the casino don't mind to share any information they collect to share with the government or organization. Mixer, isn't the only way to hide your trade, using Coinjoin or Monero are better option than wishing the casino will not freeze your coins.

This is dumb  >:(

Casinos have no relationship with anonymity, it's not build for hiding any transaction on the block chain, and if all mixers are regulated they won't be having this issues right now, or maybe I can say that if mixers are regulated can they still be considered as mixers? Criminals will take a run if they know that mixers are regulated I believe.

Anyways, it's not hard to see that casinos are far ahead of mixers when it comes to relationship with the regulators and the government, nothing is hidden in the casinos, and all regulated casinos have KYC compliance that can never be avoided.

For a casino to run and function they have to be permitted and that's the work of regulators, you need to register your casino and get the right docs and proof to run the business, no such thing is happening with Mixers, and I bet nothing like this will ever happen with mixers.

They have already very strict measures for that I have a friend who was asked for KYC because of an unusual movement of funds and they asked for a lot of documents and a money trail to prove that the funds were not being washed, in the end, he proved that the funds come from a local exchange the criminals will have second thought using reputable casinos to wash their money, once caught the casino will ask the money trail or if they ignore the casinos will confiscate the money, the casino will benefit if they caught money launderers, some casinos will confiscate the money or they will have a good reputation in the gambling industry.

There's a difference between casino and mixer, they're not offering the same service so casino doesn't have to be afraid of having the same problem as mixers. Mixers were use more by hackers than real individuals that what to hide their identity. Stolen money were moving through mixer without trace and it was becoming too much so shutting them down on this forum was right. Now that mixers are out of the picture, maybe casino will be the next target for laundering money.

Bit I think casino will be smart and not allow their platforms to be use for laundering money as they know the implications of allowing that. They might lose their licence and also get their casino shutdown. Casino have kyc so they can monitor anybody depositing huge amount of money to monitor any suspicious activity and alert the police when necessary. Casino will benefits from this ban on mixers on the forum as they'll get more good posters for promotion.

That's the reason why casino will never experience the government crackdown especially those license one since they are already been regulated by government and for sure they are less concern with them since provably they are paying taxes on where country they are registered or where they get their legal documents. And same with other I also doubt at current situation and more strict regulation if those criminals will choose a casino to wash their money since for sure as you said it will just confiscated and maybe the casino will benefit on it or they return it on right authorities. That's why we should not get any worried about that since casino will continue to exist and they will not be taken out unless if they have mixing features or some connection on darkweb and do this illegal actions.

There is no connection between mixers and casinos despite the fact that both of them are crypto businesses. Casinos are highly regulated by governments all around the world and you can't start a casino business without acquiring a license. Any casino that runs without a license will be closed. But mixers are different, they mix your coins, i.e. do financial transactions without asking you for KYC documents and at the same time they improve your privacy while casinos ask you for KYC when you try to withdraw money. There is a difference, right? So no one should be worried about crypto casinos, they'll be able to operate legally without any problems and I believe this business will grow further over time.

Hopefully, nothing serious will happen to the casino, and the crypto casino can still run as usual. We can also use crypto casinos for gambling, as we have used before. But when the casino finds something suspicious in a gambler's account, they will investigate it thoroughly, and the casino may ask the gambler to verify their account to ensure that their suspicions are no longer necessary.

But the government can do something about casinos, especially casinos that are suspected of being places for money laundering. The government will tighten its supervision of the casino in case there are illegal activities carried out by members of the casino so that the government can follow up by contacting the casino. The government could require casinos to ensure that their members do not do anything illegal.

Of course, a casino will only be close or "something will happen to them" if they'll violate the law. Others that are in compliance with the law, they can continue to operate.

That doesn't make sense, if they will investigate and find some activites that are against the TOS, KYC would not save an account from being freeze or confiscated as casinos won't tolerate cheating, a way to protect their asset to run profitably.


Thave have already tighten their supervision, this is to prevent money laundering, and if a casino does not comply on the regulation, simple, they'll close shop and will face lawsuit.

People who are involved in illegal activities will always find loopholes and ways to successfully transfer any amount of money intended for any illegal activities or simply just bribes. If SEC will find any traces of unusual activities from casino accounts I think owners of these platforms knew what will happen to their businesses. We all know that legitimate gambling sites is following the rules and regulations given to them by SEC.

Casinos are friendly to the government and that's why they will never have any problem with the law unless they don't register the casino, also I think you should know that the governments are also benefiting out of casinos, there are some countries that casinos are play a big role in development of the countries, you might not have hear this a lot but it is happening even in my country.

Some of the casinos can be doing something illegally, even the those regulators can know about it and refuse to keep shut since the casinos are paying them some huge amount of money, but the same can't be with mixers, because mixers are not transparent to the government and they will never like the idea, the government always want to know what happening, they always want to be in control of everything, that's why mixers will always have problem with the law.

Many said that Mixer users are not all criminal, but honestly there is no way to know if they are or they are not, because nothing is opened to the public when it comes to mixers, it's why the government are pissed with mixers and believe that it's a good place for moving illegal funds for illegal activities, mixer isn't made for someone like me, as I don't see why I will want to hide my transaction, when the money isn't dirty money.

Mixers do not pay taxes, no license even though they are dealing with money so it is an unregulated industry, and since it unregulated it's free for all good users and bad actors like hackers and scammers can avail of their service, and the authorities will shut any mixers that deals with scammers and mixers cannot do anything about it since they have no parameters to make their platform safe from bad actors.
And I don't think mixers will ask for KYC from their clients.
If one mixer changes their terms and asks for KYC to keep their platform safe, I don't think all the other mixers will follow their lead, they are going to lose clients who want to anonymize their transactions.

Remember that gambling contributes to the overall revenue of a certain country.

To give you an example: in the Philippines, the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) is a government-owned corporation in which it presents itself as a gambling institution. It is responsible for providing a revenue of around $904 million, which is the largest among all the income streams generated by the government.¹ Not only does the government benefit from gambling, it also creates a mechanism which enables them to create certain activities and programs for the society.

While mixers are going to be prohibited, I doubt that gambling companies would be affected in this move.

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Nothing will change people who want to anonymize their coins will still use mixers, because casinos as an alternative is a risky alternative, scam accusations is one of the section I posts and I have seen so many ridiculous way casinos ask their users when it comes to verifying the source of their account so its not something a money launderer will go through or risks doing because they think casino is a good alternative.
Casinos on your slight mistake will accuse you a money launderer so if you intend to launder they can easily flag your account

Mixers can never cease to exist. It is for-profit business for people and they will keep finding a way to stay in business and remain profitable because they have a huge customer base. Casinos are not mixers, they thrive on being opened and transparent in their dealings because the bulk of their customers are not looking to high stolen funds rather they are looking to make money. It is going to be difficult to not get noticed if a large amount of money is deposited in your casino wallet either as a newly registered account or as a old time member that will not raise some dusts. Our casino accounts are being monitored.

Well, the casinos are not illegal nor they are declared illegal by the government and in many parts of the world running or playing at online or offline casinos is not considered a bad practice, so they are safe.

Maybe we should not compare the mixers with casinos, as both are different in terms of everything including the use cases. Also, if mixers start to ask for the KYC, then the whole purpose of mixing the coins goes in vain as we need to remain anonymous and do not want to link the coins and remove the traces and if we have done the KYC, then mixers lose their concept of mixing the coins.

Not all casinos are regulated, so maybe those are the ones who won't survive in the long run because after this sad news, the customers of the mixers could transfer on them. But regulators are smart enough to know this, and they can act as soon as possible.

Casino is a business but what about the mixers? Aren't they also a business? And maybe their main aim is only to provide more privacy to the users of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies which are not that anonymous as Monero and the likes. It is only sad that regulators and others think in advance and think that mixers are only helping the criminals to get away with their crimes fast. Sigh! :-\

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Casino is a good business for money laundry, even our self can laundry on there without the lawforce take some action. The only problem, they just need to passed 1x Deposit Rules. With the recent mixer case.

It's not gonna to change anything and effecting casino, no need to worry.

Well everyone knows this and even the government knows and that's why they are also after the big casinos especially those that claim KYC free because thats the only way they can run this idea of looting big funds through the casino. So with this taught already there, the casino are now forced to implement a KYC for all their customers so as to track major big deposit and Withdrawal from their system so as to know the individual for record tracking.

Yes, trusted casinos will follow the regulations because they definitely still want to continue their business and make a profit. They will be even more aggressive in promoting because there is a government that will protect them if there is a problem. After all, they have followed government regulations.

At least the casino can safeguard its business from activities that violate its TOS. Casinos can also investigate the accounts of gamblers who are considered or suspected of violating their rules. Moreover, there is supervision from the government. Casinos will not dare just let it go.

Yes, that is true, and it will make the casino always try to comply with the regulations that the government applies to its casinos. And the casino will also seek to tighten its oversight of all its members. So let's see what will happen after the mixer case.

Don't think of it too much.

As long as they're paying their taxes, they're registered, they are licensed. There's nothing gonna happen to them just because some mixing company have been taken down.

I know that the worry is there because money laundering is no question in these casinos. But there should be a news already before if they're also on the hot seat of the regulators.

There is no way mixers will ask for KYC just like the centralized exchanges that love tracking there users and know how they really are.  Most of the mixers we have are working without license and they can easily still from users. We need to understand what the industry really is and what is ethical for users. Mixing coin at first is not bad but .any scammers had gain an opportunity for mix stolen coins that is why they are not afraid to mix the coin and sell it to whosoever they want to it to. We need to be careful about mixers even though that are not always having the intention of having scammers as users but they can be affected in a long run.

KYC and AML would prevent that, so I don't think the government would bother disclosing more facts if a lot of people were using casinos to money laundering activities. The casino will also do more research on it and will be more aggressive in warning users who have illegal activities, so things won't be easy even if casino money laundering exists.

Bitcoin is not for illegal actions, but some people who use it for illegal activities and that's difficult to stop. Bitcoin's bad image should disappear because mixers don't exist, but mixers are not for dealing with illegal activities, just like casinos too.

Yes, we should not think too much about it because well-known casinos will always try to comply with the regulations issued by the government. They won't try to break the rules even once because that could get the casino in trouble, and they might end up paying a fine for breaking the rules.

Money laundering cases will definitely continue, but people who launder money may also have found other ways or places to continue laundering money. We must stay at the casino that we have used to gamble, and that casino must be trusted and popular.

I think those who launder big time know their transactions are traceable if they do it on a blockchain. As long as cash can still be used, they will be doing it on cash on the traditional casinos too. Mix their money on the casino's stash, minus the tax, and it's clean.

What is worrisome in the forum is if the government will also try to regulate the advertisements of casinos on the internet including crypto which bitcointalk has heavily being the biggest crypto gamblers pad.

Money launderers is now very creative since they are betting like a regular gamblers and willing to take risk just mix their dirty money. I remember reading a post here coming from casino representatives that laundering is still happening in the casino industry despite being strict on stopping any possible laundering since their bonus and vip rewards is being exploited to help laundering money easier.

The only way casino can stop laundering is by checking every deposit source which is very hard to maintain especially if you have tons of player actively making deposits and withdrawal.

Well, that's a fact that money laundering activities will keep on happening and those that with lots of money that came from bad activities will still continue to do it.

While for those that are just casual gamblers, want to have some fun will probably be accused by the casino where they gamble because it happened to some users that they've been falsely accused.

It will take time if they're going to do that but with automation and AI, maybe possible.

Exactly, this is the argument that I've been looking for in a long time and I can't put it into words so thank you! Crypto casinos are not mixers that you don't have to identify yourself to use their services, they're an entertainment industry with the goal of having to milk as much money from you as possible and it's strange that people want this type of privacy casino like what? You're only playing with slotss and most of the names that you use in these sites are just usernames, it's not like they're forcing you to use your real name and most of the time, the KYC information that they've got of you is private and can't be viewed by other people checking your profile anyway.

I believe these Casino platforms also have some system that is used to identify if you deposit some suspicious transaction, that's why some casinos are not that really strict but for sure, they are very carefully checking some of our transactions, especially the deposit. Just check their Terms and Conditions, they are totally different from mixers that you can easily use to money launder.

Those who launder money will continue to be careful in laundering their money. It will be a tough task for casinos to monitor each of their members because, for popular casinos, must always guard their casinos against illegal activities such as money laundering. Casinos may implement something new to avoid money launderers who may already often use casinos for their illegal activities.

Maybe governments that prohibit gambling could block gambling advertisements from their countries. This means that citizens cannot gamble freely like before. If the government finds that there are many cases of gambling addiction in the country, it will increase the government's vigilance, and maybe that's when there will be an appeal from the government to avoid gambling. For this forum, maybe the government has entered it and is monitoring gambling activities, but who knows? We don't know the truth either.

Money laundering will continue to occur, and the government will find it increasingly difficult to track it because money launderers may use many methods to continue their illegal activities. But of course, that hasn't stopped the government from continuing to try to track him down. They will use all means to find the money launderers and punish them.

We who are just ordinary gamblers can only gamble as usual, not use big money, and only use gambling as entertainment. That will keep us away from the suspicion of the casino, and we will still be free to gamble.

That's why there is nothing to worry about.

If someone is worried about the current casino that he's working with through a campaign, don't think of it as long as you see nothing wrong with them as most of them are licensed.

That's it, and true that ML are going to continue as this activity is almost everywhere even in real life casinos and other services that we don't know outside crypto world.

They get worried to much on casino situation after the shutdown of mixer while they failed to realize that casino and mixer is totally a different platform. Casino right now is running in legitimate form and Mixer is just pure shady business that's why we see them got eliminated and for sure compliant casino would provably remain.

But for sure those mixers will continue its service but we don't know yet what's their next plan after their shutdown here in bitcointalk.

As long as we don't carry out illegal activities or cheat the casino, we will definitely remain safe and be able to enjoy our gambling activities well. We just need to pay attention to managing the money we will use for gambling and not deposit more than we can afford because gambling excessively will only give us problems.

Trusted casinos will still provide the best service to all their members unless some of their members are proven to have carried out money laundering activities. Casinos will definitely not tolerate it and will impose sanctions on them. The casino can even report it to regulators for further investigation.

I think mixers will continue to be used in the other space as already mentioned here and that other space is dark/deep web (can't say anymore about it) so this means people will be able to use the mixers again,those people used to use mixers as for me personally I almost never used any of them because I never had the need to do so.

Also the casinos to make an analogy even if they are shutdown in "normal" web they will continue to exist in the deep web,so this news will not affect most of the users here who are knowledgeable enough to search and to find where the casinos will be.Again as already said here casinos are not risking to lose their multi million dollars just because some stupid law says so.

I think you are mixing up the Casino and the mixers. Casinos are most of the time are platforms where different people come to play games and bet on those games but the contional approach has been mordernized to with the help of the internet where you can now play game from your phone and computers and privacy are usually low in this platforms even if the public doesn't know of your doings, the team that owns the casino teams knows your activity, there is no privacy in that place except for few of them that doesn't request for KYY verification.

As for the mixers, even the team that mixes your bitcoin might not know the destination of your bitcoin. The two are different and they are not related except for the fear of money laundering but they have ways of dealing with such people.


Well well, I don't blame the global moderators for fighting against Mixers because of the allegations that has been brought up from financial crime agency and it will be a threat to the forum in the long run.
Any platforms that is involve in finance will definitely has problem of money laundering but I don't think casinos are that completed like that with mixers, any criminal person can misuse the opportunity of privacy and abused it but since casinos has KYC, it will reduce the rate because even exchanges laundered money alot despite the KYC.

That is not true, all of the casinos with their original payment systems or using a 3rd party payment gateway including with the deposit/withdrawal terms have a better AML protection than a mixer.

1. Money launderer will deposit with a big amount, the casino payment system must be alert someone on the finance when there is a big deposit.
2. The user must wager a certain amount before they able to withdraw.
3. Using the mixer = the swap almost instant (full amount) + no KYC, while on the casino there is a daily withdrawal limit and this one will definitely trigger a KYC.
4. Money laundering with a small amount + must wager first is not effective, it will cost time and money.

Money Laundering is not a new thing, all of the casinos already aware of that. Easier to money laundering on a land based casino (fiat) than an online crypto casino.
Any crypto casino must be aware of what happen with sinbad but I dont think they will or must implement something new.
Perhaps only ask their finance staff to be more cautious with big deposits and thats it.

We know that casinos are being treated as a mixer by other people and it's been that way since then. Casinos try to strengthen their casino by doing some anti money laundering tactics like wager rules and implementing strict KYC to gamblers. Maybe we will see people who will still try to use casino with the purpose of mixing coins and hoping they can successfully wash it. Casinos who has loose rules on money laundering is I think the one who will get customers who will basically want to wash their cryptos.

It's just sad that mixers are being taken down one by one, casino would need to strengthen their rules for them to show people that they are not an alternative of mixers.

IMO you can't stop mixers, just like you can't stop deep web markets. Both will continue to exist and governments are just starting to look stupid when they try to fight something for a decade and it's still there doing fine, like torrents.

I don't agree with a number of stances taken by many governments around the world and since I haven't elected them, I'm not going to obey they. Why should I care what the US government thinks about mixers if I'm on the other side of the globe and never even used USD in my life?

Bottom line, casinos will thrive, mixers will thrive, bitcoin will thrive. Nothing will change, apart from policies that regulated companies will have to keep up with or they'll get fined.

Mixers are very fluid in their operations. They can't be prevented. There will always be a an everlasting bad blood between mixers and the government. At some point the government and mixers will have a middle ground, this is what I expect though but do not know when it is going to happen. The true bitcoin supporters who want to be truly anonymous.

For now, even if the  domains of a thousand mixers are seized, casinos that are regulated will thrive. They do not work together. A problem facing one will not stop the business of the other.

Mixers are aimed at making transactions anonymous while the government wants transactions to be exposed to them. The government and mixers cannot have a middle ground because both of them serve opposing purposes. Mixers will have no customers if they ever abide by government regulations.


The government never said mixers are illegal but they are concerned about the fraudulent operations of some mixers. I suspect that the government will keep intensifying its efforts to clamp down on mixers that are suspected to be used for criminal activities. Casinos would have to abide fully by the Anti Money Laundering (AML) laws of the country to avoid being considered as facilitators of criminal activities. We should expect more stringent KYC laws on gamblers to enable them to avoid sanctions.

You are right, when we are in a period in which things are less anonymous and less private, it is better for all those who actually seek that this turns out to be bad, in this order of ideas we have to assume that things as the mixers are taking away the privilege they had from certain players, but since now they are so demanding with KYC, without mixers, without VPN, there will come a time where the demand for the caissos will go down, because like some players they basically are Very millionaires who like their privacy and anonymity will no longer want to play that way, because that will be paradise for governments to track them and the possible things they can ask of each player, from a large tax to a large amount of money. What they can get out of them, some don't see it that way, but let's say that the perosans that we already have experience in this type of dealings with governments and banking entities because what one does is think badly.

Basically, being without mixers is like giving a big point to the governments and entities that are completely centralized, and the mixers in my opinion are not illegal at all, because it is money, it is money that people want most, so why can't they have it? people ? single governments? banks? Those things are the ones that I always emphasize a lot, just imagining a casino that is legal, that does not have many licenses, that does not require KYC nor does it matter if they use the VPN, but that is a totally reliable casino, where they believe that the players of casinos? especially the whales who don't like to give their KYC? For there obviously, this thing about the mixers is one more step Backwards that is being taken, I don't think that all the mixer companies will go down , I think that they are going to be in a persecution, but I don't see that it is something serious, It's something that doesn't suit me at all, it's not what it should be.

i doubt the users of casinos will diminish when the gamblers become rich with BTC. they will always be here to just keep betting. as long as they can bet and try to make money with a small amount to risk, they will be gambling.

those mixers will solely just have onion domains just to keep their law tailing them. as of now there's one mixer on the other crypto forum which somehow i could say its still spreading the word.

Those who wants to launder money will always find their way to do it and yes a darkweb will always exist for them. The casinos are strict already and for sure they will increase their security just to stay in business and to follow the regulation. We know how this market works, and we know how the government wants to regulate crypto as much as possible and if the casinos will not follow it, there’s a risk that the government will look after them and they might give more pressure to those casinos who will not follow the regulation.

Well I don’t think the casinos are even safe or decentralized anymore because for a casino to be full functional with a working license, then you ought to know that, there will definitely be some sort of KYC along the line and it is always very difficult to get a very reputable casino that isn’t asking for KYC at some points either during registration, after registration or during deposit or withdrawal or at some trigger points but whatever the case might be, I don’t think the casinos are safe and decentralized this days but I’m sure the government are already winning their ground

I agree with the fact that those that want to launder money will always find a way to do so and at some point I’m beginning to think and feel that this fight isn’t about mixers or so but about the government personal interest and the government is seeking every means to earn from
Cryptocurrency.

That's true.

While it is not illegal to use mixers, if the ones that using it have that dirty money. Those are the ones that will be chased down but as you've said, even if they're going to advocate this for so many years.

The thing is, they're going to continue to exist. There will be a lot of taking down, there could be casinos that might also be. But the reality is that, they're unstoppable and will keep coming back like mushrooms.

There’s always a way for them, and its only a matter of time for the government to know and of course they will find other way. Let’s accept the fact that some mixers are being used for laundering and that’s why they are on the hotspot and some mixers already suffer the shutdown. The government will not allow such thing, and if they believe casinos are also practicing this, for sure more regulations will be out just to address this issue.

As per what theymos is saying, bitcointalk will not allow mixers in the forum, that doesn’t mean that casinos, with their KYC functionalities and all that shit, aren’t able to join the fun in bitcointalk just cause they offer untraceable transactions.

There are some parameters that are set to make sure that no other site is to be discriminated against, and to let people know what mixers are really, I say this is bad for bitcointalk since it will stagnate the akount of advertisers in the forum which may lead into less traffic, but I’m guessing that’s the least of their worries now.

In any case, the forum will thrive, casinos will remain in the forum unless the government decides to ban them as well, and we all should relax I guess.

Not only mixers, money launderers use any platform that enable them to launder money.  They even use banks, a legit establishment to launder money through backdoor negotiation with the bank managers/management.  So it is not surprising if they will not only use mixers and also use casinos for money laundering.

The difference between mixers and casino is that, casino is made for entartainment and has a license to operate, is also against money laundering activities and follow the regulatory implementation of anti-money laundering law by suspending or locking accounts and asking for KYC to those who are suspected of breaching the AML.  

Yes, unfortunately, governments the world over are waking up more and more to the possible dangers that come with crypto.  So, they're making moves to control the market.  Sure, some of these rules might seem overbearing to good businesses.  But we gotta have 'em, or else criminals will take advantage of how cryptos can be anonymous and know no borders.  

If gambling joints don't follow the rules theyre staring down getting closed or whopping fines.  This'll likely push them to take tougher steps to stop money laundering.

It's true, that the rules and regulations are not global, but this theory will only work if these platforms are not started within the jurisdictions where such rules and regulations are imposed because if they do, they will be shut down by the authorities out there just like what happened to some mixers earlier, they were closed down, their websites shut down and that means it's game over for them. If what you say is true, the mixing services will have to operate outside of the jurisdictions where they are not allowed and those regions should only be able to impose a ban on its usage and shouldn't be able to shut the services down completely.

So, even though I agree with what you say and I wish that happens to be the case in the future, what we've seen so far doesn't seem to go with that theory as we have seen great platforms offering such services getting shut down which isn't what we would want to see, of course, since we love decentralization.

Suggestively, Casinos can device a means to facilitate transactions to conceal identification of it's members.

It's not a cool experience for mixers, the crackdown horns their desperate need to control and regulate the unregulated space. This should not be encouraged but unfortunately, its the government and no one has a say.

Well you are right, I have always thought that things when they are with BTC are quite good, since it has always been said that those who keep a lot of BTC seek to be more anonymous, and of course the truth is that they are right, if it is a lot of money so why not? What is the reason that others know it? It is not something logical, so as you say, the mezladres still continue , that they continue to be highly persecuted by the authorities? Yes, it is a fact, because the mixers are direct threats to the authorities because they want to exercise control over everything, and of course the governments have always done everything possible to prevent people from getting a lot of money , the banks always exert their forces to retain people's funds, that is something that has always existed and fighting against that is very difficult to fight, only systems that are like that, so in the bull forum things apparently are a little more free in the fact that they will not prohibit it , then it is a way for them to serve their services from there, they are partly companies and deserve to coexist.

I have Always been against all things that take Away people's freedoms, I live in a country where they always want to obstruct them, such Well, you are right, I have always thought that things when it comes to BTC are quite harsh. That is why I have always maintained an irreverent attitude towards governments because I do see the desire for control , the corruption , the Actions that are the fault of governments to manage the people at their whim, and that is not fair, I think that People deserve to take shortcuts to be millionaires, and yes , it is difficult to have a lot of money with the Traditional economic system, in fact it does not allow people to be rich , it is not possible , however with bitcoin it is and it is fast , so this type of things are what we should see before Doing any type of things that have to do with economic technology , so far there is no other technology that allows it to be difficult to trace.

Casinos don't need to do anything else they aren't already doing. They already implemented KYC feature on their platforms, reasoning it's necessary to fight money laundering, underage gambling and to forbid access to gamblers from countries not allowed by the casino.

If casinos have to implement another measures to stop money laundering, it will mean KYC is useless, therefore why should it exist and still be enforced by authorities to the platforms?

Nothing will really change regards casinos. The focus of authorities is the mixer category of service. Money launders will inevitably migrate to another niches of businesses, and not necessarily casinos, as there are many other possibilities around. And once regulators turn their attention to somewhere else, money launders will go back to mixer services once again. That is how things have been working in the world since always!

People are constantly adapting themselves to the currently situations which are imposed to them.

But this is an opinion phrased without regard that some of those mixers pulled off massive scams. It's bad, but it's true. If the information is correct that was provided online, we are talking about tens of millions of dollars being laundered by Korean hackers through mixing services. I get the point that authorities would want to shut those services down. I disagree with their hope to get a hold of illegal mixing services, but if they were not to act it would also be weird.

But yes casinos will be under scrutiny and I believe there will be stricter rules coming in the future, but it is the same thing that I wonder about: what are they going to do about casinos that are offering their services web-based only and are sitting on some island where nobody can get a hold of them? Or maybe nobody can ever find out who is behind it? They can shut down websites in a best case scenario, but that's it.

The gambling sites Kyc mandatory was the unique feature help the gambling site to survive in the cryptocurrency world.Now the mixers get issues because of the money laundering activity,this create the more problem to the other mixers running in the forum.The gambling will ban the accounts of money laundering people in their gambling site.The facial verification of kyc along with the KYC was become the essential one in the gambling kyc verification.

The money laundering people was not able to use the casino now,it was the reason for the money launder to use of the mixer in the huge amount.The amount of money laundering in the mixer was increased daily because of the strong control by the gambling site owners.

Money laundering activities + having that not be able to be doxxed or able to know or telling about transaction transparency then there's no doubt that government wont really be that easily just allowing for these platforms into its existence on which we do consider out that they would really be never liking on to those things which arent really that some could be control or something that they couldnt be able to trace or monitor.
For money laundering purposes or reason then its actually that good that government is really that trying to fight off with these things but of course the other reason would be something like about on trying to get
rid of those people who do have tons of money but trying out skip out with those taxes. ;D