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Hello everyone,
for a few months, I've been learning forex currency trading and recently started exploring the crypto market. Currently, I'm conducting small experiments to understand the dynamics, using OKX and Binance.

I noticed that, unlike the Forex currency, in the Crypto world when Coin/Token are listed, a remarkable bullish impulse is always presented in the first 15 minutes.
Today there was a particular day, on OKX and Binance the token ACE was listed, which I think I understood that it was expected and therefore of interest, and only on OKX has been listed another less interesting token (SATS) .
I took advantage of this opportunity to make a trading test on newly listed assets and I saw that for both cases, 95% of the length of the first candle is reached in a fraction of a second. It is humanly impossible that a person manages in such a short time to open a position and consequently it seems obvious to me that below there is the use of bots. Considering that a user cannot create a bot for a coin/token that is not yet listed, I think it is the broker himself (OKX, Binance) to pump that 95% of the first candle in the way completely exclusive, allowing users to start trading only after the initial pump.

I would like to ask someone who already has experience of trading Crypto if he confirms what I have written.

Or maybe I missed something and it is possible to create a bot for a coin that is in the listing process...

Thanks!

I’m not sure if bot is possible to use to CEX but one thing is for sure that many traders is carefully watching for newly listed token since there’s a countdown for it on the exchange itself. Imagine having thousands or millions of traders doing the same waiting for the coin to list with the same goal of buying immediately when the countdown ends. I’m sure the price will surely skyrocket since most of them use a market order to immediately fill their order.

I’m only certain that bot is widely use on DEX since this exchange is decentralized. This bot is called sniper bot on DEX.

Possibly market makers are the one open up a huge liqyidity on it. I like to buy ace too at lower price like 1 or 2$ but its just a split second to seen that price level and become two digits right away. If ever theres a bot that can operate on cex that would be better tool since the volatility is too high.

What I think Most investors do is a fundamental analysis before each listing, with this knowledge most people already have the coin/token in some low cost exchanges and have already make transfer to this big exchanges prior to them been traded. Then they set high sell price on limit order and not fill market order. Most of the people that miss out fill the market order and when supply gets limited it pump the price in minutes. I don’t bother chasing this stuffs because they are just waste of time. If they happen to be a bot everyone will use it and some will still miss out.

What you are saying is correct; in fact,  I have taken advantage of most of the newly listed on Binance before, as I always target the market a few hours or minutes after they are listed with little trading volume. I always pump in a few dollars and allow the market to stabilise maybe a few hours later or a few days later, and then I will most times realise about 40–80% profit from my initial capital.
 
But this doesn't always happen in all newly listed tokens, so you need to be careful on which one you are buying, and then again, for tokens that have already been listed on other exchanges before they are listed on either Okex or Binance, there is a higher possibility that the price might not pump as expected because the listing news alone might be able to pump the price to where it should be after the listing; it might just be a take-home profit for those who invested earlier.

You should know this first thing that we cannot compare the forex market with the crypto market, they are different things entirely despite they both have the similarities of currency pairing, also, we have to know that some coins can rise as fast as possible only when they are successful after launch, some may also take time to achieve a tangible milestone after the launch before they peak up.

wash trading was very common in the early days to make the newly listed token to be more desirable for those investors looking for new assets. but i'm not sure if the exchanges are allowing it or they are doing it themselves. both parties will benefit from it so why shouldn't they? increasing the trading volume certainly will make the token attractive.

forex is very different but the stock market is more comparable to crypto.

This has been the trend for a while now hence it has become like a norm that once the coin is listed in Binance it pumps like crazy and then it starts dumping with heavy fluctuation between pump and dump, in next few days the coin will hit rock bottom (This is the sweet spot), post which we see the coin pumps by 2x to 3x. This might not be the case with all the coins but I have observed this pattern in most of the coins which are listed in Binance. Hence I rather started focusing on increasing my chance of earning profits than trying to figure out if it's a bot manipulation by exchange or something else.

I was also waiting for the reversal of the countdown, but I was very surprised at the speed with which the first candles went up.


Really! I did not have time to upload the web page for the trading that the first candle was already very high...


I saw that Binance proposes a preliminary accumulation method via launchpool. It was also done for ACE, if I saw it before I would have participated. From today I will also keep launchpool under control.


This approach is interesting, now I try to study the graphs of the latest listed coin. Do you have any particular patterns that when you see them lead you to open an order?


Yes you are right. Let's say the Forex market is a decidedly more peaceful sea. The world of Crypto, on the other hand, is very agitated.


Maybe the stock market will be my next step ;D


In the forex market, the exchangeable currencies have always been the same for decades, so I landed in the Crypto world I have remained intrigued by the dynamics that occur during a coin/token listing. In any case, I will try to focus more on the evolutions that follow the listing.

Thanks for the answers!

it is not about the bot doing it, it is the traders who are patiently waiting for the listing of the coin or token especially exchanges like binance. for sure, they are on the lookout of this event as it is their opportunity to possibly earn high profits. but buyers should also keep an eye of this market, because after the pump, it usually declines once the early buyers start to sell theirs for profits.

the interest is quite different when you talk about a project launching or being listed in binance. as it is one of the largest and popular crypto exchanges, the volume going in and out is high, and so they have very high liquidity that can accommodate large amount of money.

It did happen to some tokens but we just cannot guarantee that same thing will happen with the other tokens to be listed and introduced.
I know many investors are looking forward to hit gem token and to earn huge amount upon its listing but it just happened to not be guaranteed and that there are instances that new tokens' market value are falling upon its release.

This is also kinda worth but just expect this will not 100% work, during the coin listing in some exchanges, the price is in price discovery, it could dump immediately upon listing or it will pump immediately. High risk, high reward + make sure your bot will not create some bugs  which will cause you lose money.

I think i have seen some bots buy newly listed coins they get their sources first online and watch the coin carefully and once it is listed, the bot buys it but the bots i have seen have failed to buy these coins at their listed price even if with a fraction of a second

big companies have really advanced trading bots that might be causing the pump even after it was just listed it is a competition of bots out there

I don't know about the other exchange but when Binance is listing a new coin it will send you a notification through their app before listing. You would get an average time of 15 minutes to get ready to place your position. If you start hitting buy button 1 minute before listing you can get in the benefit of initial pump. There can be a big dump in the initial listing so be prepared to take that risk.

Mostly I also seen this. And I have seen many coins which listed and first candle shows that the coin go to 100x or 10x and now this is down. I don't know who is behind it. And possibly there can be a bot. But thing is that mostly when that kind of move occurs mostly orders doesn't execute.
And my dear friend this is crypto market and here anything can happen. And some coins may pump in a single candle to 5x 10x or even more. And some can go down significantly like they pump so always be careful when you are trading in crypto coins.

Fake volume is rampant on exchanges. Fake trades are also rampant. Bots are all over exchanges as well. These are obvious. Volume has to go up or else the newly listed coin/token will not be attractive to the real traders and could be delisted sooner or later. Liquidity has to be high. This is the reason why fake orders have to be made. Whether this directly involves Binance or not probably depends on the coin, but the development team is probably at the forefront of this.

I think you still need more time to observe and learn more about this market. Before talking about the scale of crypto vs forex, perhaps you will also realize how big it is.
And in the crypto market, coin/token operations are even more complicated when they have been manipulated and planned with AMM before, and the risks/return in the early moments should also be clearer about whether you are willing to accept that.


The reality is that with any trading tool CEX/DEX requires the intervention of bots, and almost the greater the influence, the more the bots operate with uniformity in price to limit losses. coin/token to others, AMM can drive the price their way depending on factors (level of community interest, supply, value,...) But in the end, I don't spend too much time I'm addicted to short-term trading so I don't like having to deal with small profits and conversely the risks that come with it.

You can also make use of Poocoin or live chart on the geckoterminal site for plotting your chart for position taking on any instrument if you're a TA (technical analyst) person. You can also make use of Metatrader 5 if the instruments you're trading can be found on it.

Of course, most newly listed tokens pump immediately they hit the market and that's because of FOMO. It's the same way they pump that they can also dump. As a matter of principle, I don't buy tokens immediately they're listed. I allow the maddening scrabble for them settle down before going in on them. This has always worked.

I am not a fan of investing in altcoins or even shitcoins because majority of the coins which are newly listed in CEXs are shitcoins. But of a recent I have been studying the binance app and I have discovered that newly listed coins make fast upwards movement. I have thought about choosing random newly listed coins to invest but what came to my mind was the timing. How will I be able to time the market very well. If there's a tool for that. thankGod for this thread.


Rather than believing the bot analogy, I will instead think that it is the number of people on wait to buy the coin immediately it is listed that makes the price to jump. This is possible because the volume of the newly listed coins are small, so little buy pressure will push the price up so high. OP, rather than buying when listed, is there no how you will know the projects that will be listed and buy the ICO price.

Fake volumes in this case are the result of MM’s work, and not “drawn” by the CEX exchange. So it was and so it will be. The benefit always remains with the exchange (trading fee, withdrawal fee) and MM (here you can also include the owners of TG/DC channels who are catching up with the main asset with their subscribers).

Bots is what mostly manipulate the price of token that much, sometimes I do face difficulty during my trading days whenever there is a new token be listed in one of this exchange and you don't have the token maybe were thinking of buying very cheap when they listed, within a 5 minutes candle you would experience an exponential increase making the coin to increased uncontrollably then you start wondering about the manipulation.

So, then I was told the owners/some other traders are using bots to control the price of token/coin if only they have bought at presale they uses that medium to manipulate the prices especially when the buy order is higher than the selling pressure what op explained mostly happened over time.

I noticed the hike in ACE price too after listing, but the CEX I use is Bitget. Yh, it's usually that way whenever a new token gets listed, it pumps for a while and then drops down a fair bit to maintain a solid price range.  One thing I know for sure though, is that there's transparency on the path of CEXs. Price manipulation on these type of tokens is risky and those 1st minute price hikes is most likely as a result of many traders' market orders being filled in

Yes, that's correct. Usually, newly listed currencies on Binance or any top exchange & trading platform experience a significant pump within a few minutes. With a Millions of investors and traders, including whales and market makers, eagerly await the end of the countdown of currency to be listed and buy large quantities, joining the pump. ^[1] Those with excellent luck, quick market orders, high-speed internet, or the use of bots that buy newly listed currencies. [I don't recommend and haven't tried these bots due to the numerous risks involved.] ^[2] They are those who manage to buy the currency during these challenging and competitive times.

It's worth mentioning that those who participated in the Launchpool launched by Binance for this currency five days before its listing received ACE tokens and gained +4000% immediately upon listing. This was also a great way to participate and earn project tokens and followed the price rise to $16. Fortunately, I managed to acquire 10 ACE tokens.

In the first few days actually, this is normal for the newly listed coins in exchanges that they'll get some value and that's going to determine if they'll stay for so long. But also the choice of exchange is an important thing to them if they'll stay here for a longer time. That's how new projects goes and usually a dump is followed by listings so, most of the early investors can get out. But if they survive, then the rest gets hefty load of profit.

the trend of the market that is bullrun right now kinda changed that routine right now many coin after listing still holding its value for long because many people are also getting fomo into buying the coin and holding it instead, sometime the coin after listing are also having some rally like if i remember correctly JTO was having quite good rally after listing and instead of dumping it have some rally that increase the price to be quite high, and recently its ACE that have the same rally, I guess bullrun does affect greatly towards the listing of new coin it also prove that the decision of many dev to hold for another bullrun in releasing their coin to be right.
right now I believe can be a good time to invest when at first listing so long we can get the initial price its already good enough because the trend is rally.
even though there might be some coin that dumps after listing thats because the coin is fundamentally weak so its different based on quality alone.

MM you mean management? Yes of course. And yes it is not "drawn" by the centralized exchange but probably indirectly encouraged. It's not easy for a token or coin to land on Binance or OKX for example. And there are things that have to be maintained. Failing on it could mean having your coin or token kicked out and all efforts to reach there would go to waste. So certain things will have to be done and that includes wash trading. That's not allowed of course but we all know almost all altcoins are involved in it.

It is plausible this is a combination of factors, since it is possible exchanges are manipulating the price of the coins that are newly listed to produce profits for themselves or simply to make the coin more attractive and bring more investors to that coin.

However creating a bot that detects when a new coin is listed and then decided to act as soon as possible should not be that hard, and anyone that could create a trading bot should be capable enough to do this.

  I was curious about the coins you mentioned that's why I checked this platform of mexc this ACE then I also checked the SATS on the same platform exchange if you look they have the same form as how they performed pump direction on the chart graph 2 days ago.

https://www.mexc.com/exchange/ACE_USDT?_from=search_spot_trade
https:// www.mexc.com/exchange/SATS_USDT?_from=search_spot_trade

  These styles of movement for me are a bit high volatile and for me I do not recommend investing right now unless after 60 days we will see what the price will really be. Think about ACE 2 days ago when it was listed in Mexc the price started at 0.96$ per coin then on the same day it pumped to 16$ per coin then dropped a little now it's at 12$ per coin, it's a bit scary. Then the volume is not enough for my opinion. Do your own research for those who will try to invest here.

Most of the prices that are pumped quickly on Cex when a new token or coin is listed may be due to many people setting high selling prices. Namely those who already own coins before they are registered. Because usually deposits are always opened 1 day before coins are traded. Usually they are people who have coins from an airdrop or something. So, when the coin starts trading, usually there are always lots of people who make market orders (instant buy) so that the price obtained is the closest price to the sell order that has been made. And usually the big purchase at the beginning continues to collide with each layer of selling orders until it gets to the highest. So it can come back down quickly like a needle. I think bot manipulation in Cex is difficult. I know there is something like that in Dex but in Cex I haven't looked into it.

While that's likely true, the reason behind most of the newly launched projects that are holding with their market and prices is due to the upcoming bull run. This is one of the signs that we're entering the bull run because most of these projects are getting success with their pre-seeds and launches. When they hit the exchanges, that makes them very reliable on the eyes of most of their investors but still they need to rethink because they're just launched at the right timing.

If it's a new token in most cases early investors tried to dump their holding to take out their seed money to be on the safe side. There are very few project that has strong market maker who hold the price from dumping. But in most project you will see price dump to a certain points then start moving sideways. That is the time to take entry for a short term entry.

By MM I mean market maker. They can be attracted by the creators of the coin, for example several large influencers, or “work” directly in collaboration with CEX.
Nowadays it is impossible for a no-name project to be listed on a large CEX, now 99% of startups are visible to everyone (their team is public); gone are the days of ICO of 2016 with a “Photoshop” team on the project website. But Solana “opened the door” for a huge variety of shit tokens with Time-to-live 1 day.

Shorterm trading is important and the key to enabling reinforced strategies. Trading new token, is it safe? I probably don't think so because the system have crucial settings that doesn't fall to our requirements and planning, rather it plans to go against our targets and costing us to record irrelevant losses. Every positive ideas is welcome in the system, there are several steps to follow when it comes working on the right path and there's also evidence that one can become successful in the system as long as he triggered good entries on prominent projects.

Well, I’ve also wondered similar stuff in Binance new listings. Like how you’ll see a coin/token listed and then boom, it says 2000% already. I once did the calculation and it didn’t add up. What I can offer here is the advice that you should be careful on new listings because all of that initial price isn’t the actual price it’ll stay at. It can go low below the price you’re seeing or even high above it. So, it’s not just the first 15 minutes that has that crazy volatility but the whole day, and sometimes even the next day. And if one is not careful, they can have their money swallowed in the market.

Yes, you can't be a no-name project and get listed on the likes of Binance and OKX unless you can pay that huge fee, which means you can also spend money to make your coin known. If you want it for free, then you need to start a hype around your project. It has to have a bigger name in the market for it to be recognized and make its way to admission.

Solana is guilty as well as Binance and Ethereum and some others. Right now with NFTs, even Bitcoin has opened its doors to worthless tokens.

Well you made the right observation in this regard. Because indeed the best time to enter a new project is after they have finished dumping and the decline has begun to subside and then the line has shown sideways. And indeed that's a better time to enter if we want to start accumulation in the hope of making a profit on the next rise. But that only applies to altcoin projects that have large investors in them. And have a team that is actively developing the project. Because there are also projects that are only made to be pumped and then thrown away without coming back up. Because the project will immediately stop and the roadmap will not be fulfilled.

Exactly it is important to choose the right time to enter a new project especially in the cryptocurrency market. Waiting for the dump and stabilize before starting can be a smart choice. In this way you will buy asset at  lower price and can make money when it will go up again.
But before you investing in a altcoin project it is important to think about its specific purpose. Projects with much big investors and active team work have a better chance of doing what they promise.On other hand some projects are only for to make a quick profit and then disappear. So we should be careful about these kind of projects. Make some profit and exit.
If you become greedy and will try to get more profit or money so you can face loss. So make a good research and then enter in project.

I'll paraphrase you: ordinals/inscriptions revealed a "bottleneck" of protocols/chains when generating transactions. What was originally built into BTC but never used has now led to copycat use on other chains, overloading them and greatly increasing transaction fees. But while ordinals/inscriptions are being traded, they will continue to be minted.

When a token decides to list on an exchange, the exchange provides two market-making accounts and a trading bot to make volume and keep enough liquidity to trade. So bots and market makers push the chart at the beginning, and we are unable to place trades before the bots and market-making teams. That's how listing works. We are able to place a trade after a few minutes, and then the chart becomes almost stable. Even if you are holding a token on the exchange from other sources, most likely you can't sell it at its top price. Because you won't place the trade.