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Title: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Thiago22 on December 25, 2023, 12:05:28 AM
I have been playing Dice for some time at Primedice.com and other casinos, this evening I encountered something that I have not seen anywhere in all these years and it was at Primedice.com that I had 24 losses in a row with 2x payout. To have so many losses in a row on this payout is almost impossible from the point of view of provably fair. So Primedice is provably fair, but only in their interest, it was still strange for a site like Primedice to last so long with only Dice, but it lasts by deceiving the players. I recommend you stop playing at Primedice.com and I'm going to do a test at Stake.com as well, they are from the same mother!

Server Seed
7cbfd817fbf3c6b00df942694571704d832a2c2d0b2e1670a773c755a0dad9b5

Server Seed Hashed
fc2be94f06b5ab243bcd527187e9f078549226ae63d346795225d48899fefbde

Client Seed
3caafad1f0

Nonce
43766

24 Losses in a row with x2 payout are from Nonce 43739 to 43762.

43739 - Roll number: 8.29
43740 - Roll number: 16.23
43741 - Roll number: 1.02
43742 - Roll number: 19.42
43743 - Roll number: 32.86
43744 - Roll number: 26.05
43745 - Roll number: 2.08
43746 - Roll number: 28.83
43747 - Roll number: 31.79
43748 - Roll number: 20.84
43749 - Roll number: 9.96
43750 - Roll number: 39.34
43751 - Roll number: 29.24
43752 - Roll number: 14.05
43753 - Roll number: 45.32
43754 - Roll number: 38.23
43755 - Roll number: 46.99
43756 - Roll number: 23.82
43757 - Roll number: 36.46
43758 - Roll number: 33.17
43759 - Roll number: 17.92
43760 - Roll number: 34.77
43761 - Roll number: 1.48
43762 - Roll number: 12.02


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: yahoo62278 on December 25, 2023, 01:59:11 AM
You realize that it's possible to have 100 losses in a row right? Same as it's possible to have 100 wins in a row. If you were guaranteed to hit a win after 10 bets or whatever, then a site would just go broke as everyone would just martingale tol they were rich.

You lost, plain and simple, and are not handling the loss well.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Thiago22 on December 25, 2023, 06:52:12 AM
You realize that it's possible to have 100 losses in a row right? Same as it's possible to have 100 wins in a row. If you were guaranteed to hit a win after 10 bets or whatever, then a site would just go broke as everyone would just martingale tol they were rich.

You lost, plain and simple, and are not handling the loss well.

Statistically, it is impossible to have so many losses in the row if provably fair is respected.
Any Dice player knows this, Provably fair is based on statistics.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on December 25, 2023, 07:54:20 AM
Would you be there if you got 24 wins in a row? I guess not. Anything is possible in gambling. It's possible to get 30+ reds in a row on a 2x multiplier. If you haven't seen this before, it does not mean it's not possible. Have you ever seen someone win four 99x in a row? If not, I have seen this. There was a website named luckygames.io, and I was a regular player at that casino.

I have seen a forum post on the Lucky Games forum where the player himself shared his bets. Imagine what you would say if you got four losses in a row on a 99% win chance. You would surely blame that; how can I get 0 four times in a row? The truth is, it's possible. The chance is very low. Maybe less than 0.01%. But it's not impossible.

Spend more time on casinos, and you will be familiar with these things.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: TheUltraElite on December 25, 2023, 09:35:47 AM
Well, firstly you have not posted in the proper format for scam accusation.

Secondly, you forget that one roll does not influence the next roll. Each one is unique and if the method to verify the rolls shows that it is verified then the rolls are not rigged and the provably fair system is working.

It does not "depend" upon the statistics, it is less likely to keep rolling <50 after so many rolls but it is possible.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Mahdirakib on December 25, 2023, 10:58:12 AM
To have so many losses in a row on this payout is almost impossible from the point of view of provably fair.
It was unfortunate, but not scam, unfair or impossible. Although the probability is extremely low to see this happen. The chance is 0.505²⁴ = 7.56820827e-8 or 7.56820827e-6% (0.00000756820827%) to get such streak. Perhaps, you have created this thread by being disappointed with the unexpected big losing streak on 2×. Still, you can verify the result of your bets either on Primedice or on a 3rd party bet verifier. I just checked it on DiceSites verifier and the result of the bets are same as you have posted above (check it (https://dicesites.com/primedice/verifier?ss=7cbfd817fbf3c6b00df942694571704d832a2c2d0b2e1670a773c755a0dad9b5&cs=3caafad1f0&ln=43762&n=43739&ssh=FC2BE94F06B5AB243BCD527187E9F078549226AE63D346795225D48899FEFBDE)).


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Get-Paid.com on December 25, 2023, 04:18:33 PM
I recommend you stop playing at Primedice.com and I'm going to do a test at Stake.com as well, they are from the same mother

Stake does "scam" in many ways with their promos, having shill accounts participating in these promos like last year's Christmas having someone named like aabbcc123 winning millions and signing up to Stake 3-4 days before the event and beating all the other users in the race.

Drake is playing with millions in Stake, so they can "load" his account with millions, no sane person in the world would sit on the beach being relaxed about throwing 6-7 digits per spin in slots which is the worse game to play when it comes to a house edge.

But regarding their provably fair games or regarding deposits/withdrawals - Stake is among the best ones out there, they are being fair and honest, processing deposits/withdrawals virtually instantly, and they don't prevent users from winning in their games or sports (although yes, they would limit your sports bets if you win too much, i.e. they are not Pinnacle, Fairlay or betting agents with no limits whatsoever).

Still, I'd trust them 1000% more for the Superbowl bets than trust other shady sites. Again, they are OK from many perspectives but they also run their own scams, just not in the way you describe unfortunately, based on what the other users are telling you here.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: AbuBhakar on December 25, 2023, 04:26:31 PM
You realize that it's possible to have 100 losses in a row right? Same as it's possible to have 100 wins in a row. If you were guaranteed to hit a win after 10 bets or whatever, then a site would just go broke as everyone would just martingale tol they were rich.

You lost, plain and simple, and are not handling the loss well.

Statistically, it is impossible to have so many losses in the row if provably fair is respected.
Any Dice player knows this, Provably fair is based on statistics.

Hmmm. You probably misinterpreted the word probably fair. It doesn’t affect the statistics of the game result but rather it just make sure the game is fair true transparency for the result unlike RNG software that doesn’t show how result is calculated.

Probably fair doesn’t defy the stats of the game. Just like Yahoo said, you can lose more than that statistically speaking.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: acroman08 on December 25, 2023, 05:33:38 PM
Statistically, it is impossible to have so many losses in the row if provably fair is respected.
Any Dice player knows this, Provably fair is based on statistics.
it is not impossible, your chance of winning does not stack up the longer you play and you don't have a guaranteed win on X times of roll just because you have rolled the dice a certain amount of times.

I have been playing Dice for some time at Primedice.com and other casinos, this evening I encountered something that I have not seen anywhere in all these years and it was at Primedice.com that I had 24 losses in a row with 2x payout.
so, am I correct to assume this is your first time experiencing this? does this mean that what you experience is extremely rare(which it is but not impossible)?


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: holydarkness on December 26, 2023, 06:45:47 PM
Aside from the fact that you can always prove that provably fair [hence, the name] through their platform or from third party [mahdirakib provided a nice one], you do aware that their algorithm are checked and validated by a verifier that also evaluate many other casino, right? I am somewhat sure them cheating your bets are on the lower end of the odds.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: LoyceMobile on December 26, 2023, 07:04:16 PM
You must be bad at statistics. Makes sense, otherwise you wouldn't be gambling.
If you try often enough, 24 losses in a row is not unlikely, it becomes inevitable.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: shasan on December 28, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
You can lose even more than this. It is not a fact how many times you will lose/lose. If there is the perfect way to know how long you will be a loser then those who have a lot of funds would win all the funds from the gambling site. As there is no way to know how many times will be a loser and when the chance will be a winner.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on December 29, 2023, 10:37:15 AM
I have been playing Dice for some time at Primedice.com and other casinos, this evening I encountered something that I have not seen anywhere in all these years and it was at Primedice.com that I had 24 losses in a row with 2x payout. To have so many losses in a row on this payout is almost impossible from the point of view of provably fair. So Primedice is provably fair, but only in their interest, it was still strange for a site like Primedice to last so long with only Dice, but it lasts by deceiving the players. I recommend you stop playing at Primedice.com and I'm going to do a test at Stake.com as well, they are from the same mother!

I not to judge anyone of you both for being wrong or not, but the conditions to thus situation must not be left unsaid, if the gambling platform had not been trusted, someone like you wouldn't have been attracted to try using it in the first place, you must have something that makes you feel comfortable with using them for your gambling before having this encounter with them, but talking about the probably fair game, one can loose to that extent on a go, playing dice is a game of luck.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: holydarkness on December 29, 2023, 05:38:02 PM
I not to judge anyone of you both for being wrong or not, but the conditions to thus situation must not be left unsaid, if the gambling platform had not been trusted, someone like you wouldn't have been attracted to try using it in the first place, you must have something that makes you feel comfortable with using them for your gambling before having this encounter with them, but talking about the probably fair game, one can loose to that extent on a go, playing dice is a game of luck.

It's provably fair, as in prove-able, not probable. It means the result of the game can be traced and confirmed with a verifier that the casino did not change them at the last second to deliberately make the player lose.


Title: Re: Primedice.com SCAM BETS with proofs multiplier x2
Post by: shasan on January 04, 2024, 11:56:42 PM
It's provably fair, as in prove-able, not probable. It means the result of the game can be traced and confirmed with a verifier that the casino did not change them at the last second to deliberately make the player lose.
You are right and I agree with you that the site is provably fair and it is possible to trace the bet and there is no chance to change anything. As there is no chance to change anything the site has no chance to change anything too. So, OP has lost for the bad luck or bad time of the op.