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Economy => Gambling discussion => Topic started by: Synchronice on January 30, 2024, 11:41:47 AM



Title: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Synchronice on January 30, 2024, 11:41:47 AM
I rarely visit local boards but today I visited German board and noticed BC.game competition thread by 1miau. I visited bc.game, that has a Curaçao license and got surprised when I noticed that list of restricted countries was following: China, Netherlands, Dutch Caribbean Islands, Hungary, Australia, Ontario(Canada), Curacao, France, United States and/or any other restricted by law country or state.

Then I see Stake.com that also has a Curaçao license but their list of restricted countries looks like this: Afghanistan, Austria, Australia, Belarus, Belgium, Colombia, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Curaçao, Czech Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Netherlands, North Korea, Ontario, Pakistan, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Syria, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States, Zimbabwe.

There are many other websites like Duelbits, Rollbit, Sportsbet, Livecasino and so on that have Curaçao license and if I remember correctly, they have a blacklist similar to Stake.com

Can anyone explain how is that? How can we have two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restrictions? Doesn't it matter on your license which countries you restrict from using your service? Would love to hear a complete answer.
P.S. I find it nice that BC.game accepts German gamblers. Wish there were many more.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Oshosondy on January 30, 2024, 12:41:40 PM
Licence from the same country does not mean the gambling sites will provide services to the same countries. All countries have different rules and regulations which can be similar but not entirely the same. Some gambling sites may obey the rules pertaining to gambling regulations in a country while the other gambling site may see it choking and avoid.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on January 30, 2024, 12:53:36 PM
I think country restrictions by online gambling casinos have nothing to do with their license, but everything to do with where the casino is registered to operate, or which countries they are willing to offer their services to.
Understand that this casinos pay tax to the government where they operate, so, if a casino finds the government of a particular jurisdiction or country not being tax friendly with them, they may decide to restrict players from that jurisdiction or country access to their service, in order not to offend the government of that country.

This is a simple and straightforward explanation, and I believe it's the correct answer to your query.
And besides, I've read and heard many people say that Curaçao licence is meaningless, it's just one of the ways governments generate fund from online gambling casinos, so, I believe this license has nothing do with where, or where not, a casino choose to operate.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Wapfika on January 30, 2024, 01:01:44 PM

Can anyone explain how is that? How can we have two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restrictions? Doesn't it matter on your license which countries you restrict from using your service? Would love to hear a complete answer.
P.S. I find it nice that BC.game accepts German gamblers. Wish there were many more.

If I remember correctly, Casino extend their scope by further complying requirements of the specific country they want to add in their license scope because I encounter casino that initially restricted my country then later on accepts it after the representative update the scope of their license.

AFAIK. Curacao license have different level of scope and they extend it depending on how much the casino willing to pay make their license eligible to operate to more countries except those country that totally ban gambling or have their own gambling regulation board such as UK and US.

Curaçao probably offers different package depending on how wide will be the coverage of the license.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Potato Chips on January 30, 2024, 01:13:30 PM
Nice topic op  ;D

IMO, as a whole, I don't think license alone affects this, there could be other factors too such as what type of products are provided, stuff with the game providers, payment providers and the casino's risk appetite. To expand the risk appetite, this is because most of the time there are grey areas in our laws so it's not strange if some casinos would like to explore those grey areas and live within the edge - in exchange, they can expand their market.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Hispo on January 30, 2024, 04:49:47 PM
I could be wrong about this one, but I believe that besides the license or where it was issued, it also has much to do with the restrictions of each country and the restrictions set by those who are the providers of the games, those who are third party developers.
One day I recall visiting the terms of service webpage of one of those casinos you mentioned, and besides the list of general restricted countries and territories around the planet, they also had some lists referring to some games and providers specifically. For example, the casino itself was not restricted in my country, but there were games/providers which I could not access to from here. To this day I don't understand the reason.
If I had to guess, I would say casinos take the restriction lists of their major providers are merge them with their own, excluding all the territories which cannot be chartered by both the first party and the third party.

That is what I assumed back then. If anyone here have a better explanation or clarification, please let us know.  :P


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Wiwo on January 30, 2024, 08:17:09 PM
Different teams with their own peculiar restrictions and whatake that happens at times is due to their country of locations and how best the platform thinks their can handle the issues with security and the others that comes along with accepting those countries on their list, so for that having the same licence does not automatically means that the casino will have same restrictions demands.

Sometimes those licenses have little to nothing to do with countries restrictions, because most time those restrictions are from the countries internet protocols so it may give access to casino alA and not give to casino B.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Baofeng on January 30, 2024, 11:26:04 PM
What kind of Curacao license did you see? Because according to this,

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There are 2 types of licenses in Curacao: master and sub-license. However, each of them covers all types of games and allows you to officially operate in the jurisdiction. The only difference is that the master licensee has the right to open sub-licenses to others.

https://gofaizen-sherle.com/gambling-license/curacao

And from what I observed looking at some of the most crypto based casinos, they got this kind of license.

gaming License #365/JAZ


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: dansus021 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:35 AM
I think the Curacao license is not universal I mean is like they have the same name but a different form. So Curaçao A doesn't accept 10 countries while Curaçao B accepts 100 countries tho is just my opinion and you may check again.

Second, the gambling site decided not to put the country on the restricted list simply because the restricted list had a different rule, and it was not easy to gain a license from that. Just like the Centralized Exchange, there is some exchanges that are legal in the US and some that are not. So maybe gaining a license from those countries is hard or the company needs to put a lot of work into it.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Natsuu on January 31, 2024, 10:02:40 AM
Online casinos with Curacao licenses can decide which countries to restrict, leading to variations in their lists. It depends on the casino's choices, legal factors, or other reasons. So even with the same license, different casinos can have different restrictions thats why


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Volimack on January 31, 2024, 05:06:12 PM
As the laws and regulations of all countries are not the same gambling sites are different from country to country. Casinos with licenses but may have different rules in different restricted areas. You have to know their rules and regulations and then go ahead. One of the main reasons for limitation is usually licensing. If an online casino is not licensed to operate in a given country it cannot offer its services in the country. Casinos usually operate in countries where they can provide effective customer support.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Findingnemo on January 31, 2024, 05:21:06 PM
As others said, the place where casino registered also may plays the factor in the restrictions apart from license provider's limitations. But you are not allowed to gamble in a casino if the gambling is made illegal as per your local government and your country's name is not in the banned or restricted countries list of any casino which always mentioned in every casino's ToS page. If gambling is legal in Germany and the name is not in the banned list then you are free to gamble.


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: Die_empty on January 31, 2024, 05:37:33 PM
Can anyone explain how is that? How can we have two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restrictions? Doesn't it matter on your license which countries you restrict from using your service? Would love to hear a complete answer.
P.S. I find it nice that BC.game accepts German gamblers. Wish there were many more.
I don't think that a license alone guarantees unlimited access to specific jurisdictions or countries. Different countries also have specific requirements that casinos must fulfil before they will be able to access the gambling market of the country. What that entails is that the more countries requirement you meet the greater the number of countries you will access. I have observed that many casinos I have had contact with don't have access to US gamblers, maybe they have stringent regulations. However, I am privileged to live in a country where almost all the online casinos have access to the gambling industry.      


Title: Re: Two casinos with Curaçao license but with different restricted territories list
Post by: uneng on January 31, 2024, 05:40:06 PM
This is what I found about this matter:

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The website www.stake.com is operated by Medium Rare N.V. under the gaming license 8048/JAZ issued to Antillephone, which is authorized and regulated by the Government of Curaçao.
https://stake.com/pt/licenses

Do you know what party issued BC.game's license? I found it was Governor General of Curaçao.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/31/kbDZd.png



Maybe different licenses' issuers bring different outcomes on what countries the platforms can operate. These regulations are highly bureaucratic and full of different details on each of them. Or maybe, as others have pointed out, determined casino platforms aren't operating in certain countries due to the license itself, but other factors involved.