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I recently read this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483853.0 about bankroll and I become curious to know what’s forum member opinion about my wild idea on bankroll investment.

First of all, I really hate loaning for gambling because of the interest and repayment date of the loan so I think about a better way on how to borrow money without paying interest just to fulfill gambling.

Let’s assume that you can’t gamble because you don’t want to move your crypto outside your air gap wallet or your coins is currently on time lock stake.

I’m thinking about offering a bankroll investment. I will let interested user to invest on my bankroll and share profit. The advantage on this offer is I will refund the investment in case my bankroll loss since I will consider this a loan money without any interest. It’s either share profit or refund but the only catch is all investors need to wait for the certain date which I will set before the investment start.

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PS: This is not real bankroll offer but just a hypothetical idea just to know if the community will like this kind of offer. This is only possible for user that has good reputation since trust is the main issue here. This method might help someone who regularly loan for gambling to stop paying loan interest in exchange of profit sharing.

To ensure I understand you... In a situation where you do not want to move funds from your wallet, others should crowdfund your balance which you would gamble with and share profits based on a certain percentage determinant. And if you lose, you would refund using the finds you did not want to move in the first place?

Correct me if I got any part wrong?

- Jay -

Have a better plan than looking for ways to loan. Calling this an investment is wrong because gambling is risky and the money people borrowed you may all be gone to gambling and you will have no other option than to pay from your staked money or your money on air gap wallet.

Have a good plan. Set the money for gambling aside. Do not let it be too much money but small amount of money. Someone thinking about gambling like you may be the start of an addiction. If you disappoints your lenders, I will not be surprised.

I think it's a different kind of bankroll.  In my own understanding, the OP of that thread talks about bankroll investment or investment in a casino's bankroll where it's use for their operation, and since casino's are profitable, the investment will grow in numbers and overtime its value will also grow, that's why there's a word "HODL" stated in the OP.

There aren't many casinos that do it anymore... Most casinos I knew, shut their operations down in the past. The only one that comes very close is freebitco.in but they give you flat 4% compounding annual interest instead of sharing the casino profits. That is still quite nice and freebitcoin has been around nearly for a decade so they are as trustworthy as a business can get. As far as I know there is no other way to make 4% or more for your btc in a passive way. You can get more than 10% passive annual return on your USDT at binance but that's a FIAT investment.

Trust would really be the main issue on here on which we do know that this is something that couldnt really be blamed on because if they would really be trying out to pass some funds into other people online
then it would really be needing up some assurance that their money is safe and wont really be having the risks on getting scammed. Sorry to say but you cant trust no one on online world or crypto on which
anyone could ran off even if they do have that honest intensions.

So here's some few questions.

1. What assurance that you would be giving to those people who would be tending to invest on for bankroll?
2. What would be the % sharing up?
3. How you would prove out that you do have a good winning rate in gambling?

If ever you would be able to answer it up and able to convince people to throw up some bucks then it means you have succeed.

I like this idea but you must think it through it thoroughly. You know how very risky gambling is and setting up an investment like this is way too risky in my opinion. You need to think it through properly so that you are sue to court for a breach. You can not be sure of winning all the time. It is better to use your money and retain your peace than to depend on other people's money.

If you have a business consultant in your circle, then share the idea with them. He or she will be able to give you guidance from a business point so that you can see the pros and cons and make a guided decision. Gambling is not a think you try to use other people's money to do.

My only question is, why did you think of doing this to find people who would be interested in investing in your bankroll? As far as I can see, you don't trust that any investors who trust you will actually have a share profit?

Are there any investors who will trust you? I don't have anything personal to say about this op; I just asked this so that potential investors are aware of your offer.

I will prefer to leave my coin on a self custody wallet that I know I have my control than to invest my coin on a centralized platform that can go away with my money. The way bitcoin will increase, it can give me the 4% interest in just a small amount of time. There is not going to be anything better than hold than to invest in this type of investment.

There is an high risk involve and its somehow similar to getting loan with interest but except that here, you don't pay the interest fee if you lose instead, pay back the loan amount and you share the profit if you win, while this may seem okay but there's still chances that sometimes the profit sharing is bigger than the interest and also these clients will have to consider or state how the profit would be shared.

Only few people would be interested in this offer, since giving loan with interest gives them surety of earning more when their money return while this offer will give them surety of getting their money back at least without no interest since we know the risk in gambling, there are more likely chances of lost which will lead to profit sharing than wins.

If you will escrow your funds to a trusted escrow here then this offer might be spooked without relying solely on trust. Even though reputable user gone rogue in the effect of gambling addiction so it’s better to ensure investors safety always if you want someone who will ride on this offer.

One word. yogg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827) ! He is a very reputable user and the creator of Coldkey yet he decided to ruin his account reputation including his product just because he becomes addicted on gambling. Let’s stop creating more yogg in the forum by relying only with trust when money is involved.

This idea is not at all new to me, as this is very popular means through which professional Forex traders some times in those days used; to raise money from their Forex trades, I also in those days have invested in the bankroll of some Forex traders since I myself didn't know how to trade at the time, they claimed to be professional traders, but at the of the day, I ended up not getting my money back.

First and foremost, I would advice everyone to avoid gambling when ever they don't have money for it, do not take a loan, and again, it did make sense for us to know that, loan is a loan, no matter how we try to paint it, as long as money we are gambling with is not ours, its still a loan, and such is to be completely avoided.

This correct interpretation.




I still didn’t come to this kind of specifics since I didn’t plan to make this a reality for now. Profit sharing is probably based on the ratio of the investment to the total pool.


A screenshot of a casino stats for PnL can be use as proof regarding this inquiry. It’s easy to request this info on the casino support since I’ve done this many times on different casino to check my overall progress.

To be clear here, I’m not offering this kind of scheme but rather I just want to know if this kind of model is still can attract potential participants.

Self custody is the safest play of course but one cannot make profits unless he is willing to take some risks... To some people, holding bitcoin itself is a risk. Do you keep all your wealth in btc? If you say no, then it means you are managing your risks and following a certain risk management logic.

This 4% interest is for bitcoin. Your bitcoin will simply get multiplied by 1.04%+ (it is daily compounding) every year, so when bitcoin goes up against the dollar, you will make even more money. Nobody is telling you to put all your savings there. I surely don't do that but I keep some and they are multiplying every day and that feels damn nice.

I keep some USDT at binance and they multiply also and that feels nice too.

Maybe. Youre suggesting a cool idea where people can pitch in money for your gambling adventures, and if you win, they get a share. But if things go south, you promise to give their money back. It's like a group gamble with a safety net. Of course, the catch is, everyone has to trust you, so building a solid reputation is key here. Make sure the terms are crystal clear for everyone to get on board

If the game model looks good and attractive, if the person behind the project asking for investors is semi known with a decent reputation, and if there is a way to protect myself from them running away I might be willing to take a chance on an investment. Sending money to an unknown person and hoping they don't run off seems a bit too risky for me.

Never know though, only risk what you can afford to lose.

It's been a while since I saw some casinos offering bankroll investments. Not sure if Bitvest still do it but I have seen they were doing this bankroll before. Once a casino is reputable I think it's not going to be haard for them to find bankroll investors.

I remember there was a user who created his bankroll investment journey, he was documenting it while he tested bankroll investment in one of the casinos. I wasn't following that thread anymore but I think he was making some money.

Will be hard to actualize, first of all trust will be an issue. Also the concept itself is a  bit complicated; more peopl has access to fund, then the more it will be easily consumed. The idea is simple, if you don't have money to gamble, then don't. The amount we should be using in gambling is spare money as we all know. If you are being too pushy of circumstances then you should be worried that you are being too hooked with gambling which of course is unwanted to avoid addiction. If you are already willing to gamble a borrowed money, therefore you could also be on the extent of losing some of what you have or things under your properties, not to exaggerate but be realistic. Much better to be preventive of oneself to be in such condition or state.
To how I understood it, everyone could make use of the bankroll. But if this is the case, that the 'leader' is the only one who could make use of the capital or bankroll then that would be more likely questionable. Given that confusion is happening, even if this is just hypothetical, it will all boil down to just gamble your money but be sure it will not be borrowed but rather just a portion of your income that you can afford losing by any case.

I will not be interested in this offer because I know how to make investments in the bankroll of a casino and also can analyze which casino I can trust and what can I expect from the investment. Only people who is having huge money may be interested if they don't have time to do these things so this may not bring more offers to you but what can be interesting is, you can offer the similar service and take the profit in commission basis and let them to invest on their own.

Not interested in this kind of investment offer because maybe for me too risky, will not take any action if not in line with my thoughts.

Maybe this is a different kind of bankroll investment offer because you are the one betting not the casino that is operating all this, now the doubt is that if you will lose more will it be returned while you will be able to do that?

I think the concept is a bit different from other bankrolls but from my own understanding it is less attractive even though there is a profit sharing if your bet wins.

Gambling is a high-risk investment for you to offer this you need to issue a guarantee letter or collateral that you will refund them in case of a loss, and you need to make them believe that you are a good gambler for them to trust their funds on your capability, this is a wise choice instead of getting a loan however
This is too risky for you because it breaks the principle of only investing money that you can afford to lose, I don't like the idea of getting a loan to gamble you'll be pressured to win and when you are pressured to win, bad things happen.

You can test it out if you are really that confident with your winning rate or profitability then you might have the chance but pretty much sure that these would be the main questions
that you would be able to encounter.

Why you would really be needing some investment if you could really be able to make your own?

Even if we do say that you have locked up your coins via investment or whatsoever method but using up a small amount and the profits made would really be able to compounded.
Yes, i do understand that you dont have the plans on making this to be done or materialize but its not that a bad idea. It is really just that a
challenge on making them to trust you in the first place.

Alright then. I personally would not be interested in this sort of arrangements. I consider gambling to be fun and not an investment and anyone who is interested in being sponsored to gamble takes it a little too seriously.

Some others may be interested, if there is a clear indication that they bear no risk, this can be done through using an escrow, but that will still require you to move the bitcoins you did not want to move in the first place. If you can provide that assurance, you may find willing players.

- Jay -

I will not also involve myself in something like this. If it is gambling, their is definitely risks involved which may later not favour the investors. The topic link that OP put in the opening post is talking about gambling sites bankroll which is about someone to invest on gambling site bankroll just like investing on a gambling site. If gamblers are losing, the investors are gaining. And we know that gamblers are losing than they are gaining. That makes that kind of investment to be good, unlike this one.

I have never seriously considered this kind of investment as I think it is too risky. In my opinion, it is much more promising to invest in cryptocurrencies, to participate in DeFi. Of course, it is also risky, but in this case you can not keep all the funds in one basket and diversify as needed. At least I know a large number of people who have been earning a living only in this way for several years.

I find this unnecessarily complicated, if there is anyone out there which has a method to beat the casinos consistently, and they have the money to do this, I consider a mistake to try to convince other people to fund you and pool their funds to do this, wait until your coins are free or simply assume the risk of moving your coins to a casino and do this on your own, this way you will not have to share your profits, and if you were right about your gambling capabilities you will obtain enough profits so you can return the balance you sent out and gamble just with the profits you got.

Gambling is not a reliable undertaking. I would not advise the Op to take on this, even though they said they are only speculating on it at this point.
Even those influencers on social media who talk on gambling and post winnings regularly still lose a lot of the time, but they would not post their losses which happens a lot of the time cause that does not support their narrative which they want to give to their followers.

- Jay -

The only time that you would really be saying that gambling would become an investment is on the time that you would really be that investing on the house itself or you're the owner of the said platform but on the time that you are really just that making yourself having those bets then i dont see for it to be an advantageous thing for most gamblers. Investment isnt really a right term to be in use but rather it would really be that better that it would be called on funding out a particular betting choice of those gamblers who are proposing for pooling of funds and getting some %
in overall profit which it would really be that basing up on the money for capital that you had put on.

when I lend money to a gambler, it is the same as placing a bet. Where there is no such thing as a money back guarantee. When we lend money to a gambler, we must be prepared to lose that money. Even though they always said sweet things and even promised to return more of the money they borrowed. But to hell with them, because when they win they will continue to avoid you.

Giving a loan to a gambler is the same as losing the money we have and supporting his bad behavior in gambling. This has the potential to be detrimental to the individual's welfare. And it would be better and wiser if we provided support in other forms, such as promoting positive changes rather than continuing to facilitate themselves in activities that could harm them financially and emotionally.

Awareness of the social and financial consequences of such actions is critical to minimizing negative impacts and encouraging individual accountability for their decisions.

Not only you have the feelings on this, an average right mind thinking gambler should know that he's not supposed to do some certain things and therefore must set some particular limits to how far he must go while gambling, I buy the idea of having savings but not exactly as having it through our casino bankroll, beca we will not be able to achieve anything than spending them all on gambling again, unlike if it were to be somewhere else different for such savings.

In the first place my fears about borrowing to gambling is not as such of considering the interest rate nor the time factors at when to payback. Instead my fears lies upon the insurance in gambling in the sense that I already feels a 99% chances to loose and just 1% of faith that I may win the bet.
So, it is not reliably wise enough of me to borrow money in such circumferences.
So, my fear whispers me that once I looses the bet, then I would have to borrow again, have mine hard earned money to payback a loan that I never enjoyed a dime of it or I would keep being indebted as a result of inability to pay back.

The gambler who playing the gambling should play it with the guarantee risk in the game.Because many gamblers start to play without analysis the risk in the game,but after the loss he start to complain the gambling site.The gambler who agree the gambling money as the risk money and playing the gambling with the entertainment idea will make huge money in now a days.By repeatedly playing the game the gamblers get more knowledge about the gambling game.The gamblers who break the principle of their free money to the gambling site will suffer a lot of money then the expected one.Because the gamblers will inverse money from all the resources.

Your benefit is clear: you take out an interest-free loan. What is the interest of the one who provides the loan? Is it possible that he will share the profit with you (the likelihood of this is low because the casino is always stronger than the player)? I think in order to lure at least someone into such a scheme, you have to interest him more seriously than just “well, maybe I’ll win.” And this is even without taking into account all the other issues with reliability, etc.

I read with interest the topic about bankroll, the link you provided.Also I was intrigued by your idea about bankroll investing and would like to share my thoughts. First about the pros: No interest: I like that you don't plan to charge investors interest. This differentiates your approach from traditional gambling loans. Flexibility: Your system allows investors to share in the profits without risking losing more than they put in. Now for the possible downsides: Limited availability: Only suitable for users with a good reputation, which narrows down the pool of potential investors. Risk of fraud: Without clear rules and guarantees, investors may fall victim to fraud. Long Waiting Time: Some investors may not be comfortable with a model where you have to wait for a certain date to make a profit. Overall, your idea has a lot of potential, but needs to be carefully considered. The rules, safeguards and investor protections need to be clearly defined. In this regard, I have some questions: Is it possible to create a rating system for investors? How will disputes be resolved?
P.S. I would like to note that this is just my personal opinion and I am not an expert in the field of investments

Yes bitvest still do it )

My answer will be a simple NO. The reasons are:

- Because I'm a gambler, I know to myself how to play game
- Not comfortable to share bankroll with others as I can do the managing by myself
- How good that user is or what's the Win/Loss stats in average

Anyways, the response might be different for those who are not really involved much in gambling.

What you are asking as a hypothetical idea is a literal definition of loan. You even said that you consider it a loan without any interest. And reason you are lending it for doesn't speak highly of your judgement on finances.
Because it sounds like you want people to fund your gambling habit. Saying you would share winnings requires a lot of trust. Trust for a someone who is lending money for gambling that is. And these people could just gamble their money themselves and keep the winnings. It's way safer for them then trusting someone without any collateral

If you have money on time lock stake, practise patience. They are in time lock probably, because you thought it was a good reason. Old saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too fits here.

I don't think I can support this kind of idea because, well, gambling is risky and it depends on how much you can afford to risk. In addition, as you mentioned, there's a chance I could lose my investment, so its a no for me. I mean, I can manage my own bankroll and I don't need someone to join me because, in the event that we have a disagreement over money or there's a misunderstanding, there's a chance he won't return the money I invested or won't give me a share of the profit. That is why I would much rather invest on my own and wait a long time than put my money in someone else's bankroll and wait a long time without a guarantee that he would return it. Since there are a lot of fraudsters in the world these days, it is better to be sure of our own safety than to risk losing defense.

Even if a reputable member will offer that, I will not participate in it.

We are talking about gambling here and no gambler can withstand the losing scenario in gambling even if there's an offer of a refund. But in reality, I don't think someone will offer a full refund in case of loss as what's the point of that offer?

There's no assurance that everything will be smooth. Profit sharing is good to here but this is gambling.

The idea is at least unusual. It’s worth noting right away that taking out a loan is the most unreasonable idea. Apparently you understand this yourself.
Regarding your proposal, you need to immediately make it clear why a person interested in this should invest in you, what are your results, what experience do you have, why you?
And the second important point is how you provide risks, that is, you say that if the bets don’t work, then you simply return the money without interest. What are the guarantees, why should a person believe in this?

Do you leave a collateral to the borrower or to one escrow? Because how will you refund the loan if you lose all your bankroll? There is no guarantee you will return any fund if you lose without collateral. You could just say sorry bro, I lost it all I can't refund you and disappear elsewhere, even if you had good intentions initially. Gambling games/games of chance are random, it's their goal, so you can't predict your success unless you have a very efficient strategy.

If a gambler is coming to collect or borrow money from your hand and use it to play gambling they would not tell you that they want to use it to play gamble but will deceive you to collect it and go and play the gamble and loss it to the casinos. But bankroll investment is good because it helps you to plan well to win and make profit. Though gambling is unpredictable because nobody knows whether you will win or not.

That's under the pretense that the person you'll be co-walleting with's not gonna dupe you out of your hard-earned money. And I don't need to tell you how fucked this industry is sometimes for you to understand that 9 times out of ten hackers and scammers here will take the chance to steal your money if they are given. Plus I don't understand the appeal of shared bankrolls either, if you can't afford to take out a piece of your investment to gamble and have fun then maybe you shouldn't gamble in the first place. If it's that hard for you to even fork out a couple bucks for any reason whatsoever then I guess you should look for other ways to enjoy yourself and stop considering gambling cause personally, you shouldn't adjust to your gambling desires, your gambling desires should adjust to you as a potential gambler. I say look into other options like getting a job so you can fund a hot wallet and use that as your bankroll, or perhaps find a way to get some moolah out of your air-gapped wallet in such a way that it's not gonna pose that much risk on you. There's a plethora of choices and shared bankroll investment's at the bottom of the list.

Make up your mind broskis, this is going to work in an ideal world where no one's too evil to fuck with your money but judging by the makings and the history of this industry I wouldn't really count on people just working out of their own good will.

in my opinion, if the investment is enough risk for you to do, don't continue it. I know some similar investments can provide big returns for all investors, but is not quarantined will happen to you too in the future. maybe you are become the last investor, so that a situation occurs where the owner withdraws all the funds, so you are be the last person, and and suffered huge losses. there's been a lot of things happening in the past, instead of wasting your money, better to use traditional investment or trading on spot exchange.

From what I understand, the investors will pool the money for your bankroll and in the case that it wins, you share the profits right? And in the case that it doesn't you will refund each and everyone that contributed to the bankroll pool right? If what I'm understanding is correct then that means that this is a win-win situation for the investors which means that I do really want to invest if that's what's offered to me, ain't no way you're losing to that anyway because after all you're returning the money anyway when the bankroll goes zero. The only problem with this gambling investment model is that it's really difficult for me to think that you wouldn't just run away or break the promise of returning the investments to the investors so with that kind of risk, it's not advisable to invest in this even if it's a really good offer, maybe it depends on your forum reputation too, are you willing to sacrifice what you've got here after all these years for a small amount that you could easily earn if you work hard and smart?

Giving a loan to a gambler is not something we should give, because if we give it then it is very unlikely that they will pay it unless they can win the bet they are playing and even then it is not certain that they will pay it and when they ask for a loan they will of course do it with very good way and when we collect the money they lent them then they will be angry.

If we invest a bankroll then we will be able to plan the gambling that we play and if we are lucky then we will be able to win the bet and if we lose we will be able to stop easily because the resources we have have run out, yes indeed no one can predict gambling, but for those who have a lot of experience in betting, they will certainly be able to minimize the losses they will experience in betting.

I don't like this idea, because the concept consists in investing in gambler's bankroll, which is always known for being unprofitable on long run. The profitable concept has always been to invest in the house's bankroll, to profit side by side with the casino, since we know they are making profit on long term against players. Moreover, there aren't any assurances lenders are going to receive their money back from the gambler borrowers, unless you add some kind of collateral on the deal.

Anyway, it doesn't make sense at all, because why wouldn't you want to move your own funds in order to gamble? To borrow money for that reason would involve extra costs, what means it would end being more expensive than using your own money to gamble. Also, the concept is pretty much the same as borrowing money from a crypto lender platform in order to gamble, what is never a good idea, since the outcomes can be devastating for your finances and create unpayable debt in the end.

Some time ago a highly trusted member has lost all his reputation for not being able to continue running the auctions he was operating in the forum, due to being a gambler addicted and having lost big money betting. There are reputable members who can be gambling addicted, so you never know if you are doing a good deal by lending money to them. I would be very careful with this, despite their reputations being intact on the current time.

It's a unique way to get money to play with without having to pay interest. It sounds like you should let people who are interested invest in your cash. Everyone has a reason to make money, and the promise of a return if they lose gives people a safety net. People will know you are honest and fair if you give them a clear start date for the payment and let them wait for the results. But it is very important to know all the rules, such as the risks that might come with gaming. People should know a lot about the account before they decide to put money into it. Having an organized deal or contract could also help everyone know what to expect and make sure everything goes smoothly.

Whatever has to do with funding or gambling in any form should be distanced from an investment and loan should not even come close to it as it is the worst plan ever.

Most  gamblers are highly irresponsible in the gambling arena, and they unfortunately fall into the group of people that will consider taking loans from investors. It is not written on their faces and they will beat eligibility test.

If a gambler borrows money, never say that he is borrowing for gambling as this can destroy your trust in him. Moreover, gambling is generally not considered an acceptable source of income and is a precarious income. Investing if any passive income is available is definitely better than gambling but one should first consider how safe such investment platform is. If a gambler gets the chance to invest bankroll and get guaranteed regular income from it then it is definitely better than gambling. But it must be remembered that a passive income earner cannot make the same amount of money a gambler can earn through gambling.

If I understand correctly, the OP does not propose investments like a financial pyramid where the first ones have an advantage and, in general, everything depends on the chain of investors not being interrupted. There are other risks here (for example, the risk that he will simply lose his bankroll), but the risk that there will be a loss (accidental or intentional) of funds under management is also present. But still, these are different risks, since in the case of financial pyramids they inevitably end, and in the case of investing in a bankroll, there are theoretically successful options for how all this can end with profit for all parties.

you must always consider the difference between a cold wallet (coins that you cannot move or better with a time lock) and using the same coins for the bankroll investment opportunity.
with small amounts you can do it, it can be a sort of diversification, but in general this type of activity has a lot of risks and I would be very careful before doing anything on that.

I agree that it should be distanced but from what I can get from this proposition, the money that you'll invest will go back to you anyway if the gambler responsible for the growth of the funds can't deliver what's promised so that got me stopping on my tracks about going no all the way, as what Vito Corleone used to say, "An offer you can't refuse." (I think he said that). But with the consideration that these gamblers asking for money to fund their gambling is probably a good reason why it's still not a good idea to take up this offer after all, liars will say anything to make you believe so they can get what they want so at the end it's a matter of will you risking wasting an investment that you might as well just give it away or you don't take up the offer.

If we do really make out on reading up OP's words that he doesnt have plans and really just that trying to look on whats the idea of the community in regarding into this matter.
Just like on what others been saying that this isnt really that an investment on which you are trying out to pass into other people and believe that it could bring out that potential profits that
even yourself cant be able to do so. There are ones who are really that having those realistic approach and there are ones who do get blinded with those kind of false hopes.
I agree on most words on here that trust would really be the main issue on here on which if ever you wont really be able to give out any proofs that you are really that doing well
with your gambling or simply not that attractive then it would be basing into that one.

If recreational gambling is not done under strict control, it can quickly spiral out of control. You've really hit the mark when you say that understanding your boundaries is key. Let's face it, though: not everyone is suited for this level of discipline. The instant you begin to rationalize defeats as "near victories," you're inviting disaster

While it's not an oxymoron, responsible gambling is also not an open-ended celebration. It requires a mentality as uncommon as hen's teeth: the capacity to give up whether you win or lose. You make reference to using money you're willing to lose, and it is excellent counsel. To emphasize, though, it's not enough to simply accept defeat - you also need to resist the urge to let it lead you to make bad choices

What you plan to do only makes sense if you want to invest in gold or Bitcoin, but using this with gambling isn't safe to begin with, it's too risky, and mind you I want you to erase this idea that gambling has anything to do with investments, gambling is not an investment, it's a way of cheating a casino with luck and casinos understand that you ain't going to get lucky all the time, this is their own bet and that's why they are more richer.

If you want a guaranteed way of making money using debt gambling isn't one of them, find other things you can take risks on, gambling is way too risky to be using loan or borrowing funds for, you will lose everything and you will end up in huge debt.

A plus, if you don't have your own money try to look for a job first, you should be using your hard earned money in gambling, not taking loan, start using this rules that if it's not your money you aren't going to gamble, until you get paid from your business or job.

Assuming it can happen. What is the business? Are you sure that it could make profits in a certain amount of time?

Those will be the questions of an investor before they check on your reputation. They will first try to dissect the idea if it is really profitable before they try and check your profile. That's what I will do.
This is why gambling sites that have good trust ratings have many bankroll investors too. They have the business running which surely makes money. (The house will always win.) And it is sure that they will make profits so the offer is good enough for an investor to agree.

Details. Those are important because if you don't have those then I doubt you could pull investors that would see this offer appealing to their eyes. When it comes to money, no one likes trial and error anymore, it must be a sure thing so it won't be a waste of effort and money.

Wait! Did I understand the op very well. Like he wants me or us to risk our own funds for his gambling activity while he safe keep his own coins in a safe air gap wallet or timelock, and on top of thia bullshit I won't get an interest added to my fund am giving out to him inform of a loan just because he promised to pay back even if he gets to lose it as he gambles with it. Wow! ::) And you refer to this as an offer? Hell no, I won't consider it any day.

No matter how you want to explain this it's no different from borrowing money to gamble which is something I abhor with all sincerity you are going to be making a debt-roll and not a bankroll because gambling risk  has nothing to do with professional skill if you're not so lucky in getting a win.

If the investment is locked by time before the investor can withdraw his investment, I'm not interested because I have to wait until the time is reached before I can withdraw my investment. If there were profits that could be distributed daily, for example, for 1 month, and the investment was still locked, I might think about it. But it would be even better if the investment were not locked by time so that the investor could withdraw his investment whenever he wanted and get the profit every day. This will make many investors interested in investing because they can withdraw their investment anytime. But it would be better if I kept the bitcoins in my own wallet because I am the one who controls the bitcoins and monitors their use.

A gambling enthusiast's ambition is to invest in a bankroll with a safety net. We both dislike traditional loans, especially those related to gambling. Profit-sharing agreements avoiding interest are novel.

I insist on details. The proposal depends on trust and reputation. If there's a strong transparency and accountability framework, I'd consider it. The investment must avoid harmful gambling habits as well as profit possibilities.

Its excellent to make gambling more accessible without loan interest penalties. If done well, it might make fun gambling without the financial consequences more appealing. Its a tight line, but checks and balances could work.

Some gamblers go as bold as telling who they want to borrow money from that they are using it for gambling and they are certain of the match outcome even when we all know how gambling results ends most of the time it’s still not stop some gamblers from doing their borrowing to gamble I have had such friend before who is still paying some debt up till sometimes last year, no matter how sure you think the game appears to you I don’t think it’s wise to borrow to wager for such game the risk is always high.

If bankroll investment helps gamblers to plan well and win, leading them to making profit, what makes you think that those how borrow or take out loan for the sole purpose of gambling ; does not plan well too?
Like I've said before in my previous comment on this thread, gambling with borrowed funds is the same thing all through, no matter how much we try to sugarcoat it, if someone who takes a loan to gamble could win or lose the entire money he or she borrowed, the person who invested in a bankroll also stands the same chances of either winning or losing his entire investment, it all still and always boils down to how lucky a gambler is.

Aside the fact that we normally advise gamblers against taking out loans for gambling, that is, gambling with borrowed money, there are still some gamblers out there who though this means made good money for themselves, paid off the money they borrowed and kept the profit for themselves, still possible but high risk.

The gambler should set their bounty limit in the gambling,if he fail to set the target of winning.The target doesn’t have any limitations,So the gambler easily get into the greedy when he get the profit phase in the gambling.But by that greedy the gambler will forgot the phase of bad luck in the gambling.Because the bad luck also the part of the gambling game,the same winning money can be loss in the gambling site by the bad luck to the gambler.So the gambler should learn the game by the practice of some money.But he should take responsibility for that money,the gambler who learn the game will make money easily using the gambling site.

You need to have a good reputation in the gambling community you need to be transparent and you need to be very good at gambling because they are trusting their money to you, they will prefer to invest in casino bankroll than a player's bankroll because the casino has an edge over a player, and if I'm the investor I don't think waiting for a certain date before the investment start is good for my investment.

And if for some reason you cannot play my money will be stuck in your account, so I prefer to invest in casino bankroll because of the casinos' house edge and my money will not be stuck it will keep on rolling because there's always new players on casinos that will play.

OP, firstly is it even a good idea to loan money for gambling, for me the risk is high, you are embarking on two risk at the same time, loaning and gambling are two uncertain moves, gambling is not a business that is profitable sure, you just gamble with that the mindset that you may win not that you are sure of the winning, let's be careful what we chose to do so that we won't be in indebted and depressed as a result of the situation.
No matter how you manage your loses once a portion of that fund is lost it becomes an issue, so let's not do things that will be detrimental, no matter how inquisitive we are in the pursuit of money, let's not be use of own hands and make ourselves poor.

The fact that this is not real crowdfunding of money, but a proposal to theoretically discuss such an idea is understandable, I saw a postscript about it.
As I already wrote in my previous message, I cannot understand what the interest of the second party (who gives the money) will be, what the interest of the first party is is clear (and it is directly written about this - an interest-free loan). I think we are not considering the case of a friend/family investment so we must find a realistic motivation for the other party to make such an investment. At the moment, even with some of the arguments from the first post, it looks clearly unprofitable.

I quite understand you OP, but I advise you that this should just be left in the imagination and shouldn't be in reality, or else, you will regret it. First, have you asked yourself how many gamblers are losing? If you cleverly come up with a reasonable answer to this, you will know that your money might be at risk. If you are not collecting interests, you make matters worse, and if I may ask, what will be your gain? Do you mean the gains they got from gambling which is not feasible? How many people actually will get that gain from their gambling activities? C'mon, you should just don't do it.

As much as it is not good for you because of the no-interest involvement, it is also not good for you because people will take advantage of you. This is no-risk gambling for the interested bettors, so many will also not care about being serious with their gambling but just gamble all the same and take senseless risks since the money is not directly from their pocket but indirectly from yours. Conclusively, I do not see how this is helping you in any way because a little among them will win and remit gains to you but I can assure you that many more would lose and will transfer the loss to you.

There are those that have big dream as gamblers wanting to win jackpot but that do not necessarily mean that we have the take risk that is too bigger that our bankroll. Gambling is a way for us to double our bankroll multiple times and there are ways these are done. I will never support any attempt to bet more than what is in our bankroll. Making money is one of the sense of gambling and there are ways they are done. There is no need to go get a loan to bet on games maybe we thought that we could make profits from. That is wrong because everything we do as gamblers is to try and win and the confidence should be too high.

The risk will indeed be greater when gambling using borrowed money, moreover will be the obligation to make installments with the interest on the loan.
I don't know why people dare to make loans to gamble, even though the risk is great.

Gambling will not provide a sure thing, sports betting, card games, moreover slot games that have greater risks because there is no guarantee someone who is professional in gambling can win easily.

Do you know that it's very hard most times to know who will pay back debt until you have gone into a cash deal with them? And another thing here is that if I borrow money from a gambler, the game that I borrowed the money for does not play, and this money that I borrowed was as a result of my assurance in the game.
 
Do you think I will be happy that my game does not play as planned? And when I'm not happy about the game result, do you think I won't see paying back that loan as a waste of money? It might appear that I didn't use the money for anything useful, even though the lender has nothing to do with it, and all this was my decision. I don't just support and buy the idea of taking out a loan to fulfil my betting desire.

You may end up losing your bankroll investment and you keep refunding it, why don't you gamble it yourself?

Gambling has no guarantee and you can't hold someone who doesn't have a winning and nothing to share. Well, I have seen this kind of idea in offline gambling where someone provides some games to gamblers to stake and afterwards they request for certain percentage of the expected winning and most times he doesn't get any share when the game fail.

So like you said, it is just hypothetical what you said and I don't think it will work.

In my opinion, this method is not effective because whatever form of investment, if it is mixed with the world of gambling, of course it will be difficult to maintain in the long term. Moreover, the money used here is crypto, of course people will easily choose staking sites with smaller risks. Even if you promise that if you lose the money will be returned 100%, people will not be easily tempted because apart from sacrificing money they are also sacrificing time. An investment that takes time, of course they also want to get interest, even if it is small.

Would say it again that its never been considered to be an investment, we are talking about gambling on here on which this is basically talking about taking risks on which there's no point
on trying out to connect it to be an investment which it is really that an another story. Just like on what you have said that the second party who would really be giving the money
will really be always be having those questions in their mind on how the heck they would really be making out such decision? What for? if they could be able to
make their own bets with their own money. This is why it doesnt really have any sense about trying to have that kind of pooling of funds just to have that same action to be done
which you could be able to do in solo.

I'd most likely avoid that offer since i've seen people, even trusted ones, suddenly dip with the money after providing a similar offer that sounds too good. I'd better take my chances with casinos if they have the same reputation, and I don't mind taking small losses when you can eventually gain them back with the help of the casino's edge. To me, I don't have to worry as much when casinos have more reasons to keep operating and could earn more in the long run.

I don't want to try it because it was too risky for me. Maybe you want to return investors' investments if your money is lost, but there is no guarantee that everything will run smoothly. Moreover, we know that in gambling, we will not always be able to win easily and often.
Rather than risk losing money, it's better for me to pass up an offer like that. Besides, I don't want to take too much risk beyond what I can afford.
Maybe this search can help people who regularly borrow money but can't participate in gambling because you are the one gambling, and those who invest with you are just waiting to share the results.

Taking a loan to gamble in the gambling center is not advisable because gambling is not like other investment you can borrow money or loan money to invest and recover the money easily, but in gambling, it will put you in trouble in away it will frustrate your efforts in the community.

Just avoid that kind of offer and look for where to work to get money to gamble which it will be more peaceful whenever you are gambling because you don't have anything to worry about like those that accepted the offer and they are losing which is a big worry at the moment.

Apart from the reputation and transparency aspect which is very sacrosanct for someone like myself before I could want to risk my penny into the hand of another person to gamble with it you have showed me your level of gambling success you have made in many previous bets you have played and they have to be convincible enough. Because for a gambler to hand over his money to a fellow gambler for a bankroll kind of investment sort of thing he must have seen veritable reasons to believe in your capacity to deliver because what investors will want to hear is you are delivering and not excuses at the end.

Because you will return it if you experience a loss, I think there will be those who want to invest in the system you offer because investors will think there will be no losses, it's just that there is no chance of making a profit because the chance of winning at gambling is not something that can be guaranteed or regulated that we get a profit of what percentage than expected.
But if there is a casino that offers investment in their casino it will be much better and more interesting because the casino can almost certainly be a profitable business, especially if the management is very good so that investors get very definite profits, only the amount is not certain.
However, in all forms of investment there is still a chance of loss, for example, even though the person offering the investment is a very trusted member, that doesn't mean he can't run away with the money or is irresponsible when things are out of his control, the same goes for casinos, so in online investment, there is no 100% guarantee free from scam.

That is a risky investment as per see. I'm not sure if there is someone who considers that as an opportunity because, for me, it is a suicidal investment. And the chances to get back our money are very slim which I never feel comfortable of doing. If I have to commit a loan for an investment, it should be on the reliable investment, not on this. Better think about it OP before making another step. Remember that not all investments are worthy, just like this bankroll investment. Better to be avoided rather than regret.

Investors involved in this type of investment may need a good grasp of regulations and security, so it may take a while before making a decision.

Although the OP's suggestion to mitigate interest risk and offer an alternative for individuals susceptible to gambling appears wise, it is important to acknowledge the existence of potential risks. One such risk is dependency on investments, which can lead to considerable financial distress when managing personal finances.

Before fully involving ourselves in this kind of scheme, it is important for us to consider the financial implications and other important matters, conduct thorough research first, and involve the applicable regulations.

I've never done a bankroll investment before so I don't know how it works, but what OP suggested isn't a risky way as long as the person collecting investments is trusted or there is a way for them to provide some security for the investors because he is saying that if the investment is lost, he will repay the amount in full and if he manages to win something with it, the investor gets a share of the profits because of the investment.

So, as said by some other users, I wouldn't mind testing it out with an amount that I can afford to lose even if it won't be lost based on OP's promise, but only if I'm sure that the guy collecting investments is completely trusted and we get to see and experience how he gambles with the money to also enjoy the adventure and see how it works.

I've seen that type of personal bankroll where friends and relatives and friends of friends are likely got that type of offer. I'd say that I've seen most of them that didn't go well and likely ended as a scam.

I don't want that to happen to you or to anyone OP. If it's being offered by an individual, much better if you go ahead and invest it to the actual casinos that has it than to any person.

The risk there and it's certainly high and that's why it's better to take risk that you know and calculated than to something like this.

Most people will not study or try to understand the rules or security of the site and immediately register themselves. They are trapped by an offer that is too good to be true, so they are willing to use the money to start investing. But many also want to test the validity of their sites with the money they can afford, knowing that such sites can disappear quickly and take all their investors' money with them. Every investor really needs to investigate everything about the investment program before they join and deposit their money. If not, they will only experience fraud, which will make them disappointed because they have lost their money. Instead of risking losing money on the investment site, they are better off holding their bitcoins in their wallet and just waiting for the price of bitcoin to rise so they can sell their bitcoins at the next highest price. It will definitely provide maximum benefits for them.

anything related to gambling cannot be said to be an investment because no one can predict how the gambling will end. For example, when someone invests $100 USD of their money in you with the expectation that later they will get a profit if your gambling is profitable. but unfortunately you are losing in a row, which means that apart from losing you need to return the money that people have lent you, and this is quite risky because the possibility that you will go bankrupt is very high. So this idea probably won't work because the risk is quite high and you also can't be sure whether you can keep winning or not.

I totally agree with you because gambling is just a fun thing.  And the money deposited here is just for fun so even if we lose it, it doesn't bother us too much because we deposit there only what we can afford to lose. So using money for anything gambling related can never be considered as an investment. Investment is where you have high chances of profit and not quick results like gambling. Depositing money into gambling or the gambling related sector can be considered an investment by those who gamble for income.

Nope, you're not going to bankrupt because your friends can't report you to police for lent 100 bucks as long as you didn't sign your signature on a legitimate documents. You have a choice to run and avoid to interact with your friends, but you're lose your friends and you have no moral. :P

Private investment is really risky and suspicious, just choose to invest in a transparent project even though you might not able to earn as much as the early investor.

The gambler should spend some time to read the rules of the gambling site,they also spend some time to learn the game.This two are the important one for the gambler to make the money in the gambling site.Many gambling site will provide the offer to the gamblers to register to their site.Most of the gambling site will provide the bonus based on the deposit money.Most of the gambling site will give bonus to many deposit money to the gambling site.Only few gambling sites will provide the bonus for the first deposit money.The gamblers had all right to investigate the gambling sites which was going to use by the gambler.

I’m confused on what you guys discussing here or how your post even related to the topic here. Both of your post looks like just paraphrased by an app since it has the same thought if I examine carefully what you are saying. Although not my business but you should be careful on your post because you might be accused of something such using an AI tool.

Answering what you are talking. It’s normal for gamblers to try bonuses since it’s an extra balance that you can use for your bankroll while you are just doing gambling as requirements to claim it which is your initial goal when you are gambling.

I'd never do it. Not your keys not your bitcoin.
There's a couple red flags in such investment. First of all it's a high risk because the gambler, or the loan provider can go bankrupt and these loan providers drop like flies. Just look at what happened to BlockFi and this was a big company that wasn't (as far as I know) involved in gambling, just loans.
Then there's a problem of safety. It's still a platform and these companies get scammed from time to time, like Bitfinex was and many other companies in the crypto space. How can you be sure that the coins will still be there when you need to withdraw?
Last but not least, scams. I'd expect that if this thing ever becomes popular half of the companies will be scams just because it's a very risky business. Their clients will lose money gambling and go bankrupt and you as the service provider will have to sue them and chase them around to get some money back.

such concept would really have a lot of red flags even if we say, the platform will be managed by a reputable team or members. for one, you are dealing with gamblers. and to what extent do you think they will respect your arrangement especially if they have no funds to pay off their debts? even if there is no interest, would be hard to get it from them if they have no other means of paying their loan.
this is why, i highly believe that this kind of endeavour won't last because the customers on this service are not really to be trusted. hard to find such gamblers who will gonna respect your arrangements with them thru and thru.

as you said, chasing them or suing your clients is another story or headache. so do you really want to go thru in this journey? do remember, gamblers are gamblers and you will only encounter few gamblers that will keep their word especially in this digital age where you are only relying on their trustworthiness based on their username and not their real name. even big companies can go bankrupt because of the customers not paying their dues. how can you embark on such investment path without a clear assurance that you can get what your clients owed to you?

Gambling loans! Hold onto your lucky socks, folks, this ain't your grandma's loan offer. Instead of coughing up interest, you're basically saying, "Hey, wanna gamble with my money? If you win, we split the profits, but if you lose, you just gotta give me my dough back." Sounds kinda risky, right? Like loaning your buddy 20 bucks for that claw machine that never lets go.

Now, it's not all bad luck and empty wallets. This type of loan is like a rollercoaster ride for your money. On one hand, you could hit the jackpot and share a sweet pile of cash. On the other, your loan might vanish faster than a magician's rabbit.

This ain't for everyone. If you crave guaranteed returns like clockwork, stick to your boring old interest-bearing loans. But if you're feeling adventurous and have faith in your borrower's gambling skills, then maybe it's worth a shot. Just remember, do your research, set clear rules, and be prepared for some serious ups and downs.

Or shall we say that we dont have the trust or confidence into someone on where we do pass our funds with. If we are really just that thinking about making some bets.
Then why would really be needing for us to send out our funds to other people. What for? If we could really be just that able to make our bets on our own
without worrying that you would be losing those funds instead. Well, when it comes to winning then i might prefer on losing my funds with my own hands
rather than on losing into someones. I dont know on which it doesnt really give out that kind of good feeling if you are really that entrusting your funds into other people and make
bets into it.

There is no point searching for place to take loan wether with interest or not. because gambling is a 50/50 chance game. Which implies that either you win or loose. There is no guarantee that you will gain some pretty amount after loss, maybe if you loose you will be refunded %50 otherwise I would have said you should go for it. But since the loss has no guarantee, there is no point because if their is loss on the game you will have to pay the loan amount with interest after you have lost. So it's better not to play when you dont have fund than think of taking loan to play game.

That is the disadvantage when you are into private investments and you're investing into people or individuals that offers investments. And what makes it even riskier is that the money you'll be investing on that person will be used into gambling.

I wouldn't do that and instead, I'll be the one to gamble my money so that there won't be any regret or problem if ever I lose the money.

It's harder to see my money go away with someone that I have trusted and then it has lost money.

However, every gambler must understand the rules in each casino because that is the only thing we can do to avoid problems. Often, the problem arises when they want to withdraw their money, and it turns out that there are several conditions that they have not fulfilled, so there is a delay made by the casino until the gamblers can fulfil the applicable conditions. Many casinos will give bonuses, but before we take the bonus, we have to make sure what the terms and conditions apply to the bonus and estimate whether we can fulfil them or just pass without taking the bonus. Gamblers must be able to check and confirm the casino first before registering and always read the terms and conditions at the casino. After they understand everything, then they register or look for other casinos they want.

i wouldn't want to invest in something as risky as that even though it looks like a pretty good deal where we only need to invest and get a profit if we win, and we still get a refund even if the gambler loses. but gambling is a risky thing and the possibility of winning is very low, and investing in a gambler's bankroll is the same as engaging in risky gambling, you cannot be sure that whether the investment will run smoothly because it is possible that the gambler ran away when he went bankrupt even though he was a reputable user.

it is much better for me to invest my money in bitcoin, because it is lower risk, than getting involved with such investments.

From here we can enjoy the pleasure of gambling. But if we think of making money by gambling it is not right for us because it is very difficult to keep the money after making money by gambling. While gambling we should gamble with small amount of money.  Starting. Sometime we start gambling with big amount of money which is not right. Gambling should be started with fixed amount for gambling and I like to gamble regularly every week. Love to waste extra time behind gambling i don't

I'd personally go to the banks since there are guarantees that they will be returning my funds if worse comes to worst, and especially since they insure deposits up to a certain amount. Also, they offer flexible investment terms so I'd choose that as wdll. It's hard to trust random internet people offering investment schemes that don't have any guarantee to work IMO. No matter the hypothetical situation, I'll choose to be safe.

I have some friends who ever ask me to borrow money for gambling, I never lend them money because I know they will never ask to pay back if they borrow money and lose.  Yes. I think many friends are made for money and it doesn't take time to lose friendships because of money. There will be no problem if you lend money to friends in times of danger.

You don't need to try it to know how it works but there are always search engines that you can use to learn it and by only reading its name " Bankroll Investment " one might already know what it is all about. There is a risk in any thing, most especially in investing. Anyone can be trusted at first and they can make promises easily but there is no assurance that they can remain like that or it will be followed strictly.

A lot of people and company are like that before just in case you don't know. I'm not saying they are one of it but there is only a possibility, so we must be careful and always stay vigilant just in case we already accepted their offer.

Lending money to a friend is always a problem, because if you do so and they do not pay you back, and you ask them about when you can expect to receive their payment they will get offended by the question, as many of those friends expect that you will simply forget about the debt they have with you and some of them may even have the guts to ask you more money, so unless that money is supposed to be used for an emergency I avoid lending money to a friend.

Of course accessing your air gapped wallet too frequent is usually quite stressful aside from the fact that is could also pose some risk on your funds. However when it comes to the idea of taking a loan of any form to gamble ,some persons won't fancy the idea which is quite logical to me.
Now most gambling activities always include a percentage of luck to be on your side for you to be able to make wins no matter your experience or calculations although experience and calculations or analysis also make your winning odds more favourable you just can't deny the fact that luck has a role to play.
Assuming luck coupled with little errors in the analysis of the the gambler causes him to lose the bet after taking the loan, he would actually still end up returning back to taking funds out of his air gapped wallet to pay back.

Kind of risky deal for you and to anyone who's going to do that. Well, you'll only assure them through words but if you'd going to be providing contracts with attorney sign then maybe there will be many investors that shall invest on your bankroll.

This is for real. Lending a money to a friend and even to a relative result into having a problem. It's better not to get offended by yourself because they can't pay and you can't collect money on them that they owe you. Because at most times, they'd reason out to you that they can't pay you for so many reasons. So instead of you being disappointed with them not able to pay you, it's better to disappoint them while you and your money won't be disappointed to yourself.