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When you are depending on someone for assistance because you want to gamble it means that you are risking what you can not afford to lose. Why because you don't have the money to gamble but someone have to give it to you before you can stake.
But when you have jobs that pays you money so well and you are gambling it means you are risking what you can afford to lose. Why because ones you lose your job will give you another money.

However, many people would say even if you have jobs but you are staking higher it also means you are gambling with what you can not afford to lose. Moreover it's true and I have to dauth but I have a feeling that ones someone that have a good paying job is staking more than what he can afford to lose, there is no different between addiction there.

Your first definition is not correct. It is the second definition that is correct. Even if you are working and collecting huge amount of money, if you are gambling with the amount high enough to make you not to progress in life but making you to have financial issues, that means you are gambling with the amount of money that you can not afford to lose and if you are doing that consistently, thst is an addiction.

I think you may have gotten this wrong,  because depending on some else to find your gambling expenses is something that can not happen frequently and even if it does it can be refer to risking what you can't afford to lose,  because the amount of risk still depends on how much you are gifted with to gamble with.

And that even leads me to another question as to,  who give money to gamble with?


Risking what you can't afford to lose is simple, let's say you have a total of $500 which is supposed to cover for your feeding and other basic life necessities,  including allocating a small amount to gamble with let's say $10 for gambling.

And you ended up risking the entire $500 on gambling and you lost all,  that is what it means to risk more than you can afford because at that point you will go hungry and also be unable to meet to other life demands.

So for me, that is the real picture of risking above your ability and limits.

Staking with big amounts of money that will make you start chasing your losses because you cannot let it go is addiction. I might not have spare money to gamble, and if my friend stake for me, I don't think that it is an amount that I cannot afford to lose. This is because I wasn't even expecting it, but if I go and start collecting loans to gamble, then I am gambling with the amount that I cannot afford to lose. Addiction starts from seeing gamble as a means to make profit.

Those who can afford to lose already have a lot of extra budget while those who cannot afford to lose that much are the gamblers who are on a tight budget and they can only lose certain amount. If you are borrowing money just to gamble then this means you cannot afford to lose it because you will still need to pay it which is not good at all. If you are going to gamble, make sure to always have a budget and play within the budget.

The fact that I have a job does not mean any amount I gamble with, large and small, will be an amount that I can afford to lose. There are different things that should be considered when it comes to this, not just their pay rate.


This is also wrong, there are cases where people can earn the same amount but still won`t be able to gamble with the same amount without being affected financially because each of them will have different expenses. And the same also goes with low-earners - each of them will have a different amount that they will be able to gamble with.

"What one can afford to lose" is a very situational and depends on the personal context of each one of us. There will be gamblers out there in the world who cannot afford to lose 10$, so their entire gambling budget per session is as low as 3-5$, all of it while there are people who can afford to lose much more and are able to spend 10$ in a single slot spin.
To be the concept of "what one is afford to lose" is: " money which if gone, would not affect one's life in the slightest".
So, if someone who is going through some dire situation ends up gambling part of their budget for groceries, then it is money they cannot afford to lose, because on his luck while gambling will depend whether he will be able to eat in the next day or not.

To know we are stepping into dangerous territory when comes to gambling using more money than our initial wager, then it just takes to double check out emotions, if we can allow ourselves to wager X quantity we won't even sweat on the idea of having bad luck and losing it to the casino. As soon as we start to overthink whether what we are wagering is high or not, then it would be time to log out the casino and take some fresh air before commiting some mistake we will likely regret in mere minutes.

I disagree with you. If you receive financial assistance from someone to use for gambling, it should be considered as the money you can afford to lose. This is because you receive it without having to work for it. On the other hand, if you use your salary earned from a job to gamble, it is considered as the money you can't afford to lose. You work hard for it, put in your effort, and have to wait for a few weeks to receive it.

For me,whether you do get those money indirectly or directly came from your job then it would really be something that considered to be your own funds and in speaking about dealing up with gambling
then of course it would really be pertaining on something in talking about on the amount on which you would really be just that allocating with your gambling moment or sessions. Of course we do really have
that kind of threshold on how much amount that we can really only afford to lose but since addiction is really that always next in line then it wont really be that shocking that people would really be
going overboard into those lines and would really be spending up more than on the amount that they can afford to lose on which this is commonly happening on gambling field.

sheesss!!! You just mixing up the whole point. Why would anyone wanna beg for a grant to wager on a game? Sounds more like borrowing funds to play - gambling becomes an indecisive fun the moment you Begin to pick up games... You could even swap your tickets and start the predictions all over again for just one silly doubt... That's how crazy it can be.

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secondly, for the fact that you've got some means to refill your pockets should gambling fail you doesn't create the gap that you can afford to lose - nobody enjoys losing eitherways so there's a possibility that the poor would condone more loses than the rich does.

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You pointed out the key difference in how people gamble what they can afford and when they put more on the line than they can bear to lose.

The fact that some people seek assistance from others in order to continue gambling is an indication that they have gone beyond their financial boundaries and might be treading on harmful grounds. Such behavior signals a lack of control over gambling practices; hence, an individual requires support to fight the issue. For example, if someone has a well-paying job and chooses to gamble responsibly using their disposable income, then they are only risking what they can afford to lose. Nevertheless, this could be an indicator that the individual might be too confident in handling risks associated with gambling and thus they need extra caution to not get carried away into excessive betting behavior.

Remember to gamble responsibly based on your income. Prevention and control of risks are important if you would like to keep gambling on the safe side and within healthy limits.

The difference between afford to lose and can't afford to lose lies in the ability of the individual to be able to replace the money used for staking in the casino or in a sport bet 5 times over with having to feel like their life is going to be over. Meaning that whether you loaned the money or you have the money as a result of a sable income, you must be able to replace what you lost five times over. Hopefully, someone understands it like I do.

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I don't really mean that a gambler will openly tells one to assist him or her for money so he can gamble, because they already knows that the assistant will not give money to them. A gambler can ask for money from anyone without telling the person the real truth of what he/she want to use the money for.
However, if you don't have money and you asked someone to borrow you money which you want to use for something important and the person gives the money to you, meanwhile you already know in your mind that you want to use the money to gamble, and that means you have risk what you can not afford to lose because you borrowed the money. _{Hope am making a point here?}

You are really confusing me, but I do not think it is how much you earn from your jobs, it is how much that you can spare to use in gambling that will determine if you are gambling with what you can afford to loose.

Some gamblers actually have good paying jobs, but they also have many responsibilities to meet up with so they should not be staking much in gambling, they should be sticking and gambling according to a budget.

from my own Theory I think that you don't need assistant in gambling or Assistant to fund you in gambling order to gamble and make money because whoever that is into gambling knows the risk that is involved and know the disadvantages and the advantages that is involved in gambling in which you can borrow money from somebody to gamble and by the end of the gambling you lose everything so you don't need to depend on any person but only that you should use what you can afford to lose to gamble because two things are involved neither you you win the gambling or you lose the gambling

What you explained right now is also an example of someone that is addicted to gambling. But from your first (first OP) illustration, you can depend on someone but not addicted to gambling. Example are children that depends on their parents. Some of them are over 18 years and some are gambling but not an addict. They just do it with small amount of money. Example is a father that gives his son $10 to spend. The son can take $0.5 to gamble. That is not an addiction. Spend more than the amount that you can afford to lose is the addiction.

I am trying to link your definition to different scenarios, but I don't think that it's really a correct definition for those two gambling phrases.

There are people who's source of survival is their parents, uncles, aunts, and other family relatives, but despite the fact that they depend on their family members for survival, they can still decide to gamble with the money they got from their uncle or aunt. Any time money purposely leaves the pocket of your source and enters your hands, you are the owner of such money, and you can use the money to do whatever you want.

For example, if you happen to be my immediate junior sister and you ask me for some money, and perhaps I decide to gift you $100, as soon as that money leaves my account and comes to you, it automatically becomes your money. Even if you wish to gamble with all that money, it's your risk.

But let's assume I gave you that money to use it for a project or to use it for your school dues payment, and you decide to multiply the money through gambling and end up losing the money. That's when it can be said that "you gambled with the amount you cannot afford to lose.""


It's possible that someone can still have a job and earn a salary, but they can become irresponsible gamblers who can stake all their salary without minding the risk, which can cause them to still lose all that money. But because of their greed to multiply the money while they had other important things to do with it, they gambled recklessly.

Just because you have a fixed source of income or a job it doesn't mean you are going to gamble with money you can afford to lose, because the whole fixed income may be already compromised with fixed expenses which you can't fail paying for in a monthly basis. Let's say you have a regular job where you make 300$ monthly. If your rent is 100$, food costs are 100$, electricity and water bills are 50$ and the child's school is 50$, it means you can't afford to lose any single penny of your regular job's income with gambling, despite having an income.

To be afford to lose means you still have an exceeding money after you pay for all your fixed expenses, so you can give yourself the right to risk losing those funds without any major negative consequences for your finances and life progression.

It's not exactly about how much you make or where you get money from, it's about how much that money means to you. Somebody making $2k a month for example can stake with 1k dollars, but you earning $1k can't stake with that.

What you can afford to lose doesn't necessarily mean small money, it's just money that won't wreak you if you lose it. Money that won't take you back multiple steps if you lose it. Some people can lose $10k and it means nothing to them, it doesn't mean they enjoy the loss or they don't care about the loss, it means they'll be fine, financially and otherwise with the loss.
Different people have different amounts that they can lose and just move on from it immediately. Know your limit and stick to it. Don't get greedy by going above your means.

I've never played with other people's money, I can't think about that possibility because I barely feel safe betting money that "maybe" I could be spending better with my family.

However, I understand what you say compared to when we borrow something from someone else... I often borrow my father's car when my wife needs it to go to work and that makes me much more afraid, because if I crash the my own car, I will have to bear the expenses and also the lack of this resource. However, if I crash my father's car, even if I pay the expenses he will be without the car for a while, it's something that can't be repaired.

The same way it should be when you take money from someone else... even if you lose and manage to cover the amount over time, you will lose trust and credibility with that person.

The best thing is to just play with what you have, without depending on other people.

I believe it is easy for any gambler to calculate what they can afford what they can afford to lose base on their financial level. It should not be hard because even when gambling, your heart will draw your attention to the risk you are taking, if it is much you will have the feeling and fear. It is normal for gamblers to ignore this notification that our body tells us when we are gambling with what we cannot afford to lose and some great gambler are able to master these feelings and are able to use it to control their gambling activities. On the other hand, addicted gamblers suppress these feelings and never knows when to stop even when the signs are there.

It doesn't even have to go to the point of depending someone, it just involves simple goddamn math. Look at your salary, look at your expenses, look at your savings, calculate for at least maybe 10+ years on what you want and where you want to be, and adjust as you see fit! The hard part i guess is that adjustments are done via your decision-making instead of any solid formula so I guess a lot of people are pretty lenient with themselves, but that's on you yourself in the end.

If you're at a point where you have to ask for loans to pay some stuff due to spending it all in gambling (or even spending said loan in gambling itself) then yea, you're an addict. No sane person would willingly go under debt really just because of gambling, or any hobby/activity related stuff.
So you argue that whatever you borrow is something you cant afford to lose? Well I mean yea, outside of anything entertainment-related, as long as it's for something that you rely on to live, e.g. the basic needs of a human, then asking for a loan is sensible. Outside of that? Not worth it.

It's all in the semantics and also dependent on the gambler including his/her risk flexibility. My key takeaway is that:



Based on the above, even if you're earning and can recover the money (dependent on time period) but it poses risks to one's overall well being, then they're obviously betting with money they can afford to lose. Put simply, if you're not comfortable losing something but still put it on the line then you're betting more than you can afford to lose. There's no need to overcomplicate things like this when one should just learn risk management and design their own strategies on how to deal and mitigate losses as losses are bound to happen in this game.

Very well said mate,  you made a clear classification and examination and explanation of what dependent gambler means and what their state of gambling is and what differentiates what ops said on the first page and what his current replies pointed out.

But from this, we can see what an addicted gambler who also depends on others to gift him money to gamble with or how deep hisaddictions state is,  all this make-up for what it is with gambling and what risk we can afford to take a certain time.

Well, I am one of those people who would say that too.
We may have jobs but we also have bills and mortgages to pay so let's settle that first before we gamble. After that, we are using the money that we can afford to lose but it's still best if we will win so we can have an increased budget.
Here's the thing though, when we are gambling what we "can afford to lose" we tend to get careless with our bets which I don't think is a good idea. We must keep the importance of money and try to think that we are gambling an amount that we don't want to lose.
The losing streak in casino games is real, I've seen it many times and it can even take 3-4 days without hitting a good multiplier and the RTP could sometimes be a bitch that it won't come out until our wallets are drained.
Let's not be careless just because it's spare money, when we sum it all up in the long run it could be big and we might still get frustrated that we weren't able to just save it or have regrets that we gambled at a pace like we don't care about our bets.

The gambler who start to gamble means,he is ready to loss the funds on their game.But some gamblers start the game  with the motive of recovering their old losses in this game.The game in the gambling site will keep increasing if the gamblers who failed to tackle the game algorithm in the gambling site.But the gamblers who play serious game will loss due to emotional interference.



The gambler who had regular job can able to play the game to recover the loss in next game.But playing continuously by depositing all the time alone not give you the profit.The game with the skills alone give you the good profit and avoid random betting with high capital.

If you don't have money to support your gambling habit, don't gamble. Maybe where else will you end up if you are forced to gamble even if you have no money. If your gambling bets are too much and you're having financial problems, it's called an addiction because you still insist on gambling even though you know your budget can't afford it.
Just gamble according to what you can afford to lose, set a budget so that the bets you make are not too much.

Gambling what you cannot afford to lose may not be addiction. Addiction is characterized with dependence. So if I gamble today my entire month's salary and if I lose, I'd just borrow from my brother or parents, it isn't necessarily addiction. The following month or two, I won't be gambling anymore so that I can pay what I borrowed. This isn't addiction. Addiction is when you cannot control yourself from gambling. So even if you're drained of money, you borrow or you sell properties or you even resort to crimes just to support your vice.

Well, here when you say that the gambler is taking assistance to gamble, you mean to say that he is taking a loan to gamble because he does not have enough money to gamble. Doing gambling in this way is totally not recommended by most of the gamblers.

Other than this there are people who may take assistance in asking others to whom to bet and which game they should gamble and other tips & tricks, all these things come in a good sense and consultation should be done from near and dear ones.


Having a job that pays well, does not mean that the gambler should put more money in gambling. I believe that even if you have a lot of money to gamble, why put it in gambling and risk it ? Better stick with small bets and this way you will never feel the burden on you on losing and you will enjoy gambling.

I think the difference is pretty straightforward. If you are gambling money that is supposed to be spent on something else, that's money you cannot afford to lose. Or if you are gambling money that is not yours, that is also money you cannot afford to lose. That's very obvious.

Money you can afford to lose is simply money that is yours and not intended for other purposes. That means it is extra money.

But many people might confuse extra money with savings or money that isn't to be spent today but only in the near future. Those are money a gambler cannot afford to lose. A certain amount of savings is a must for everybody. And money that is intended for an expense 6 months from now is also not money for gambling.

Well I don’t really know how best to say this but regardless of how you get the money for gambling, what truly matters is that we should only gamble with the amount we can afford to lose and this case simply means that we shouldn’t gamble with money that when lost, our lives will be affected negatively either directly or indirectly and as such any money that comes with regret after gambling away is regarded as the one we can’t afford to lose and the money that doesn’t really matter after losing is the one we can afford to lose, atleast this is one of the simplest breakdown for a lane man

I was about to say this as you don't gamble more than you can afford to lose only when you're gambling what you don't have. You can have it but still gamble more than you can afford to lose when you become very angry that you lost the money. Money that aren't very important is what we should be using to gamble so when we lose it, it won't affect our mindset and we won't want to gamble to regain our losses, we should gamble an amount we'll be comfortable of losing.

The difference between affordable to lose and can't afford to lose depends on what we're gambling about. Many individuals can't afford to lose a bet when they think they're not in a favourite position to win the jackpot but others know the possibilities and won't bet untill they're in a favourable positive to put in a bet. When the best is your favour, you will be winning without much effort like others.

Every gambler must have an income and have money that is intended for betting, this is something that gamblers always do.
They work and they make money, in context like this gamblers will set aside or deliberately deduct some amount of money from their salary for fun and they will spend it all with great joy.
But there are also gamblers who set aside or deliberately deduct certain amount of money from their salary to be able to gamble and multiply and this is the wrong attitude or action because they will definitely only lose it all with great regret.

Gamblers who really have the aim of having fun will definitely use the money they have prepared to spend on their pleasure such as betting or playing in casino or gambling site.
They also don't really think about profits so that whatever the final result happens they will be able to accept it well, when it is lost they won't think about being able to recover it.

Obviously different from gamblers who are full of ambition or goal of making money or changing their lives from gambling, they gamble using extra money and often increase their bets.
But actually they cannot accept every loss and always try to recover by increasing capital, obviously this will not work because they will only experience bigger losses.
An example like this is gambler who cannot accept losing.

I mean I get your point there, its actually pretty easy you should not gamble, let's just say more than 10% of your earnings or your salary in your job that is I think the best way to do it, you could probably make it up to 40% if you want to risk it but for sure if you're going to put a high percentage of your salary just on gamble it would probably hurt for you and difficult to recover if you lose that money.

Saying only gamble what you can afford to lose just means to lower your risk of not putting so much money where you can't really afford your not be able to recover or probably take years for you to recover if you lose that money. Its just similar to investing on cryptocurrency its a risky thing to do don't put all of your money on it because its just too much of a risk, you could easily lose that if you lose a bet.

Can't afford to lose can also be money that is like a loan to someone which you can't really afford to lose that money since its a much higher risk and meaning your going to have negative money having loans.

Based on my understanding according to how the op explained the first definition I can say he is correct with that definition. If you can afford the money you want to use to gamble you won't be depending on someone else for it, and it's because the gambler couldn't afford it hence the dependence. If m dependent on somebody for something it then means that what am dependent is above my pay grade because I can't afford it on my own.

However, I agree with you that it's an attitude of addiction for a gambler to gamble with money that is beyond his salary or income as it can place him into debts that before his next salary arrives the next month it has already been spent prior to it's arrival and that's same thing as spending more than one can afford to lose.

It doesn't mean that we are having job we are able to afford losing our funds no it's not how gambling works. The only way we can afford to lose is to use extra money not the hard earned money we got from our jobs.

I'm not sure if it's addiction or not; however, it wouldn't be very wise to bet your whole month's salary and practically go into debt, is it? That means that you have limited control over how much you should bet, and you're pretty reckless to spend your whole salary that way.

One thing is certain: no one likes losing money. Affording to lose money is quite a vague term. I can afford to bet high amounts on a monthly basis; however, I'd hate to lose large amounts recklessly on gambling. Thus, I'd say to bet whatever you're comfortable losing without being too upset, setting boundaries between what you can afford and what you're comfortable losing is essential. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Each person does have that different threshold when it comes into the amount that they can afford to lose.If you are someone whose really that having just that sufficient money that you could make
use of on day to day basis then it would really be having no sense that you would be spending up all of your salary on gambling just because you do able to hope that you could be able to flip it out on easy x2
without minding that much on the risks involved and on the time that you would be experiencing those hard situations then this is where you would really be having those realizations.

Dont wait up for things to get messy before you would really be able to make those kind of realizations because when it comes having those problems then
there would really be instances that it would really be that hard to resolved it out.

That's simple. The basic difference between "afford to lose" and "can't afford to lose" is when you make gambling like entertainment where you are able to gamble without any burden, meaning you are ready to accept whatever the results of your gambling are. Gamblers who can afford to lose usually have no difficulty when they want to gamble their money - they are free to gamble their money away. And they usually understand the limits of how much money they are prepared to lose, meaning they don't gamble too much and realize that gambling is just a side activity to find entertainment.

It's very important to know your limits, especially financially. Learn how to gamble responsibly by controlling self when gambling, don't ignore warning signs to avoid developing gambling problems.

It’s still a case to case basis because some people have money that can get on certain period of time such as time deposits, investments and even job salary. People on this situation can ask for assistance to gamble with money that they can afford to lose. Example they are waiting for their 100k money while they are just asking for 1K for gambling.


This is true. Having a job will not guarantee that you can afford to lose. It’s still depends on how much you can earn and the amount you gamble because there’s others expenses you need to cover aside from gambling.

after understanding a few moments what do you mean all of this about gamblers who have a job is one of the gamblers who is able to lose? if true maybe this case is like another thread that is slightly related to your case Having a regular/steady income is important as a gambler. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483241.0)

to distinguish a gambler who is able to lose or gamblers who are unable to lose, we cannot compare with whether gamblers have jobs or not but we can distinguish it by seeing whether the gambler can always gamble using a small budget in accordance with what he has today and Will he gamble regularly to pursue his defeat.
It is true that a gambler who does not have a job and relies on loan money from other people seems bad but we cannot judge that person to say he is a gambler who is unable to lose because we don't know even though he doesn't work but has a large asset he saves behind the scenes, only he did not want to sell his assets before the target was determined.

so we cannot judge whether gamblers are able to lose only from whether they have a job but we should see more behavior in how they gamble.

I think there is no hidden thing about what you said and I have also come to think about this as well but most times people seems to acts when there is cash flow and a good job they are doing, whatever amount they stakes and bet on doesn't really matter to them because they are getting their pay back when the month runs out. Do they wish to be gambling all time without making savings?

Off cause "No" because everyone wishes to work and make savings for themselves and to their entire family so betting with what they can't afford to lose is very bad even though they are getting it back at end of the month that doesn't mean they should always gamble with a higher amount where they would keep losing and depending on their salary for a payback, this simply shows that if their current job terminates they will go home empty handed.

These are the major reason why a man or a gambler shouldn't gamble with a higher amount, and they will always depends on their monthly salary for replacement meaning they don't have any other plans as they are working on how they could invest in additional things in their lives except from working and gambling with their salary.

@OP why you makes simple thing to complicated one?

Someone earns $5,000 and use $4,000 to gamble, he can afford to lose $4,000 because his monthly needs only cost $1,000. Many people will say they can't afford to lose 80% of their money for gambling, but this is him, not you. Why you try to change someone else decision and happiness when he use his own fucking money?

His previous topic also similar where he makes a simple thing to complicated one. I have no idea why he does it, but maybe it is about mindset which make him to be someone who seems to be overthinking for all things and confuses himself. Talking about can afford and cant afford, it is really simple but it is situational. It cant be based on we have a good job or not, but it is more about how much we can spend that will not bring us into bad situation (financially and emotionally).

It is very unfortunate to see someone depending on another person to give them money to gamble. How will you, after losing that money, go back to him to collect another one and gamble tomorrow? Because I see no reason or fashion for someone who does not have a source of income to gamble. These types of people are easily addicted to gambling because they will want to use it as a means of getting money to meet their needs. But this is not the main issue these types of people are going to face at the moment. I'm scared that if they lose the person giving them money to gamble, they will surely start engaging in other things that will destroy their lives.

However, you have not clearly explained the title of your thread because to me, what you can afford to lose and what you can afford are still the same thing because whether you are depending on someone to gamble or you are using your money to gamble, you must use the amount of money you can afford to lose because even the person waiting for someone to give him money to gamble cannot tell the giver what he will use the money for, so you can see that after giving him that money, he will manage the money to at least gamble for two or three days. In these aspects, I think he used the money he can afford to lose.

I agree with these statements.

Basically, if you are gambling using the money that you have received from another, then you are almost risking nothing. Technically, it IS your money but it was given to you for free by someone or by your parents which somehow eliminates the need for you to win.

On the other hand, if you bet using the money that you have earned for yourself, then you are risking what you can afford to lose. Your money then it is your problem.


I somehow agree with this.

But at the end of the day, the more you risk means the more that you can afford to lose in the first place. Even if you have funds, the fact that you have to risk money means that you are risking the very money that you have earned from your hard work regardless if it is a good paying job or not.

Financial problems are very difficult to find a solution to when you gamble using money that you cannot afford to lose. Not only will you lose, but your burden will increase as a result of having to think about how to return the money. Anyone can gamble, but it must be within a safe concept. Gambling with your own money that you can afford to lose will not leave any burden afterwards, you can still sleep soundly even if half of the money collected so far has been spent on gambling. This concept is correct, gambling safely without adding to the burden afterwards.

I think that we shouldn't risk any amount of money that we cannot afford to lose, not only in gambling but in every aspect of our lives because in case of loss of this money it will be a very difficult process to pay it back or recover financially. Especially gambling with money that we cannot afford to lose can cause serious problems because there is a possibility of losing literally all the money in gambling. Using money in gambling that will not be negatively affected when a person loses it helps the person not to experience difficult financial times, not to stress and not to be negatively affected financially in the long term. For this reason, there is a significant difference between using an amount of money in gambling that will not be negatively affected when a person loses and an amount that will be negatively affected.

In addition, the fact that the money lost in gambling ends up being paid in installments over a few months from the salary or a different income doesn't mean that the person can actually afford to lose that amount because in this case the person will have consumed the money he/she will earn after a few months. For this reason, the money spent thinking that this amount can be paid by paying a certain amount every month can actually be classified as an amount that the person cannot afford to lose.

      -   For me, being able to afford to lose is like knowing that you are ready to lose your money in a gambling game. Apparently, you know to face the consequences when you lose. For example, if I want to invest in the stock market, even if I know if I lose because I also know that the risk here is high, it's just for me because I want to really try.

while in "Can't afford to lose," it is the one that makes you feel stress and anxiety when you lose playing a gamble that you don't expect to lose so easily, which suddenly makes you desperate in a situation that you don't expect to happen to you right away.

You should not gamble if you don't have a job or a means to support your gambling activity, only  if the one who's giving you monetary assistance states that you can use the money to gamble but if it is not you should not gamble it, or the one who gives you that money will insult you what you can afford to lose is the money you've allocated after you paid all your bills and it should be considered an excess money.

If you're allocating money that should go to other expenses then yes you are gambling within your means, allocated money for gambling is money that will not hurt your expenses, and all bills are already paid, this is the reason that allocated money for gambling should be the last on your list, in my case my allocation is 5 to 10% of my monthly income, as long as the money that you will use in gambling is allocated losing it will not matter and it will not hurt your finances and you have nothing to worry about.

On the first statement seeking money like having a debt is not the most suitable way to satisfy yourself for playing gambling you are just digging yourself into debt if you lose all of those amounts plus interest if there's any, In the first place you ca afford playing gambling why still keep playing because of getting hopeful to win a large amount if that's the case gambling is not for you. if you have a job and are just a casual player have extra money to play gambling it's just okay but at least still having a self control with your action sometimes emotions carried us out to make a wrong deicsion.

Just because the money belongs to you doesn't mean that you can afford to lose it, if you have some bills to settle, you should do that first, gambling should come into your mind after you have done all the necessary things first, like paying all bills and restocking food in the house, and others, whatever is left is a good one for gambling.

Another good example is trying to use money that was meant for paying your school fees to gamble, thinking that you can make twice the amount and be able to pay your school fees and still have some money left for other things, you can't afford to lose this money, very risky.

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Many gamblers only think about the possibility of winning extra money, but not the possibility of losing the money, you only need to think first, what will happen if I use my school fees to gamble and lose it all? Live in the moment, imagine it, how will you sort yourself out? When the thinking is deep enough you won't be able to risk such money for gambling.

In my opinion, people who gamble are ready to lose, they will gamble by having prepared for what will happen, losing will definitely happen when gambling because it is something that will definitely happen, therefore we should be able to accept the losses that occur with the gambling we do. There is nothing that can avoid losing at gambling. because in gambling there are only two possibilities, winning and losing, but what you have to remember is that the chance of losing is greater than the chance of winning, therefore losing in gambling is normal.

However, for people who gamble but are not prepared for the losses that will occur, in my opinion, people like this will experience resentment, revenge with gambling that ends in defeat, which triggers them to deposit money back to gamble again with the excuse of recovering losses, but this is not the case. You can be sure because there is a big possibility that they will lose again when they deposit their money again.

Literally there's a grammatical error here in your first statement which days "afford to lose",you rather say  Can't afford to lose because you can't afford to lose something you have worked for as pertaining your time, effort, strength.
They are two different quotes entirely and you can't use them for same sentence cause it just formulate a blunder in the English.

Let's say you earn daily and 5% of it goes for Gamble always and as you tend to do so you loose eventually each time so when you make up your mind that this time around you will make a big win,it quite explains that you can't afford to loose cause you have a lot workings to attain that .but  in the other hand even if you make savings for your gambling each time and you loose as well it doesn't mean you can afford to loose...

Dependent on others to gamble? No go. Betting on borrowed luck is dangerous. Flip the script. The game changes when your paycheck is the pot. Yes, you're playing with fire, but you lighted it. Risk and control are involved.

However, the plot twist? Rich high rollers may blur lines. The exhilaration trumps caution on this steep slope. Recognizing the gamble in all we do is the key. Knowing that every option is a risk and bet.

Remember: gambling is enjoyable. The excitement, uncertainty, chance. Supporting enjoyable gambling means supporting life's adventures - with prudence. Bet on yourself within your means. Isnt life the biggest gamble?

You can gamble only with the money you can afford, regardless of whether you have a job that makes money or you are unemployed. But it's best if you are unemployed, you don't need to gamble but focus on finding a job that can make money.
Once you have money, you don't need to use that money to gamble, even if you are just having fun from gambling. You might lose self-control when gambling, which could cause you to lose all your money.
But what happens is that people will gamble so that they win some money using little money. They will not be able to win their gambling games easily, and there is a possibility that they will lose all their money.

You see, from the concept of affording to lose and not affording to lose, you will see if the gambler is an addicted gambler. Let's put it in this scenario: just like what the OP said, if the money you are using is money from not your own wallet, then you cannot afford to lose it in gambling, while if the money you are using is coming from your own pocket, any means, salary, allowance, etc. Then you have the freedom to waste it or lose it. But the thing is, even if you can afford that money, if it keeps happening over and over again, there is a risk that a gambler will become too addicted to gambling because he will want to recover his losses. Because of regret, it will be too late for that gambler to stop gambling because he was hoping to get the money back. He can't afford to lose that.

If you have enough salary, of course you can't use it higher than your salary budget, even though your budget can be bigger than other people's help, after all, why accept other people's help to gamble just because you want to gamble, it won't be good in the end, it's better to try try to focus on work because we can limit our gambling salary budget to more than what we expect, however it still has to be below 10% because of course it is necessary to pay for living needs which is the most important thing.

There is no difference between being able to lose or not being able to lose, in the end of gambling we still have to limit the budget when gambling and play more enjoy the game don't rush to win at gambling, I think we all know never gamble by being in debt to other people Moreover, relying on other people's help because when we play you can't afford to lose and bear the losses, it's different from your own salary. We are more prepared to gamble and lose money that we can afford to lose.

You got both definitions all wrong based on my own view of what you can afford to lose and what you can't afford to lose. 
 
You can still be working and earning a good salary and yet wager with an amount that you can't afford to lose. Imagine earning up to $1000 monthly and placing bets on a daily basis, which could amount to the amount you earn from your salary. How do you explain to such a gambler that he is in range of what he can afford to lose or not? 
 
What you can afford to lose is in the range of what the gambler is keeping and wagering within his bankroll, which can be classified as betting with what he can afford to lose. For example,  using 0.5% to 10% of your monthly earnings can still keep someone within that range of what you can afford to lose.

I agree with you on the second paragraph of your definition of money you can't afford to lose but not particularly on people that has a job, once you have gone way above what you can't bear in mind when you lose it or likely feel fearful of losing such an amount of money, it doesn't matter whether you are working or not, whichever way you get the money dash or through job, take you for instance, that someone dash you money, let's say $20, you will be at peace losing $1 than losing $5-$10 out of it regardless.

I can afford to lose it if the money was given to me is for gambling but if it's not It's money that I cannot afford to lose and I must not use it to gamble, people give you money to spend on important things like food and paying bills, if they found out that you've used it to gamble it will hurt their feelings so its better not to gamble if the money is given for something else.


If the money you're using is just excess money then there's no issue at all, and about your last sentence, gambling is not a cash cow if you lose your job never depend on gambling, it's high risk.

Not because you have a job that you're going to gamble all your salary or even a big part of your salary, after you pay all your bills and shop for groceries and there's excess money then you can use that to gamble, gambling should be your last priority when it comes to allocation.

You are portraying it in a wrong way. Even I am taking a loan but I have the capability to pay it back easily then I can still afford to lose that money.
So taking loan does not directly mean that we cannot afford to lose it. Sometimes we don't the money handy and we do take up micro loans for processing the transaction.
The whole concept about affording to lose relies on one's capability to continue living a normal life while losing the money.
If the amount you lose create hiccups in your life then you cannot afford to lose that money.

I completely agree with that. But still, there is that perspective to win. They may afford it but winning is also their goal. They are not there to just give out the money like it's a freebie because, at the end of the day, that money is still hard-earned from their job. Most gamblers who can afford to lose doesn't mean they will eventually lose it all, they are also making strategies to win the game as much as possible although it will not hurt them so bad if they make a mistake, just like you said.
Like me, I lost a lot of money this week but I am not in the mode where I get frustrated and just make one single big bet that would rather give me back all my funds or I will lose it double. That's just stupid, in my opinion. I lost my money through long and cruel small bets, and I was actually surprised that it went that far as this week is going to end. I just wish I could get it all back through the bonuses that will be given this month because that really hurt my budget and I want it back so bad so I can gamble again and increase my wagered amount for another month.
There's this losing streak that I am always afraid of, and it happened just like I predicted but my mistake for not stopping when I have a chance.

Everyone's financial health is different, maybe when you earn 20 thousand dollars, and use money to gamble $2000 will not affect as long as your needs and needs are all met, I guess it doesn't matter and you will not remember it so much, but it is different from people who earn $200 then use $20 to gamble, in terms of sufficiency it is still lacking which will give illogical financial calculations and you will not be able to afford to lose $20 to gamble.
 
The scale of income affects how much you can use money, and you become prepared to lose, the average person who is not prepared to lose is those who use more money than their income.

It is all about risk/budget management.

Let's say you have $1000 disposable income every month which you can choose to spend on anything you want. It could be investing, it could be a vacation, a cellphone... whatever. Mind that, that $1000 you have is after making every other mandatory payments like bills, groceries, rent etc...

Then you can choose to spend all of that $1000 on gambling. It means you can afford to lose that $1000. It wouldn't be a wise decision but losing that $1000 also won't have a bad impact on your daily life.

If you can't pay for your basic daily needs first, then you shouldn't be gambling. That's how you can't afford to lose because you have other more important priorities than gambling.

It is not recommended to gamble only asking for help from others to ask for money in the form of a loan or whatever it is just for gambling, then he really does not want to lose but harm others but is it for example with the loan that a gambler who loses money will not bear the loss? Then he will bear and must pay back what was loaned.
With someone having a job and a better income then they will be able to bear the loss but I don't think they will spend all of it maybe only a percentage of 5% of the total salary just throwing money for fun.

Your idea isn't completely wrong but then I wouldn't want to support it fully at some point because some persons who are depending on someone to give them money to gamble still, are able to loose certain amount and it's not a big deal for them so I wouldn't want to say they are risking that which they can't afford to loose.

On the other hand, there are people who are gambling with money which they can't afford to lose even if they have a job, but there are certain amount of money you will have you still wouldn't be able to loose them because if you do, your finances will be greatly affected so at that point, that's an amount you can't afford to loose, it doesn't matter if you have a job or not because if you lose such amount you will go bankrupt and broke like the other person who's dependent on some One for money.

For me, I think the difference isn't much but it rather depends on the perspective of the gambler.

While a gambler might be tempted or so drawn in to make a choice of spending a certain budgeted amount on gambling for a day, the need to know that what might be lost during the gamble might be all of the money staked or even more than what was pre-approved to gamble with.
Then I can say that the budgeted sum of money for gamble is one that the gambler can afford to loose.
Whereas, the extra funds injected or conjured to keep gambling after the budgeted funds has been lost is clearly funds one shouldn't and can't afford to loose, unless it has no immediate use.

Wrong definition.

Let's assume you have $1000, you have no commitment to spend that money on your family or for your needs or anything, it just there and you wish to spend it completely or a part of it with no expectation of the spent money coming back at you is you can afford to lose.

And the same person has $1000, but they have a family who rely on this money or you have to pay your rent, mortgage or fee or whatever then the remaining of whatever left in that $1000 is the money you can afford to lose.

Not just because you can pay it, means you can afford it. It's not only like that. Affording something is being ale to pay it without any regrets or any negative feeling. Imagine taking a loan and losing the amount, then will still be required of paying it. Won't you feel bad? If you can really afford it why would you be needing to take a loan?  If you have $100k in your annual savings and would want to purchase a car worth $95k, would you buy it? There will be a side that you will, but also a side that you won't because you will consider the length of time you needed to accumulate such amount. And this is already something you will be able to use unlike with gambling loss that you will  no longer have possession of it.

Therefore, for me, as to how I understand affordability of something; I really take the ideology of having the value 5x over before I use a certain amount. In such way I wil have enough margin of my wealth to not stress about it even fafter consumption of purchase of a certain thing or activity.

I took lot of my time to read through our all the comments on this post and I can say that some are agreeing to the definitions while some are not and few are just staking to one definition and disagreeing to the other one.
However, that's from my own definition and with that I can say afford to lose is when you are working on a better paying job, then you can gamble the amount that is satisfied with you. Even if you want to use all the which you have to gamble at least before doing that you should have enough savings first before you can use your whole monthly salaries to gamble because you already have much money on one side.

When you don't have a paying job but you are gambling with the money done gifted to you it means you are risking what you can not afford to lose and with this you will be stagnant.
Outside this forum I have seen a gambler who's gambling with money that someone gave to him and this person doesn't have a job but he's gambling with money that he can not afford to lose. And when he lose the money there will not be elsewhere for him to get these money again if another person or the same person gives him another money.

On the other hand I doubt that anyone will help you to fund your gambling activities, no one will give their money to gamblers for free to gamble unless there is an agreement from the beginning such as sharing the winnings if you are really lucky. And as for the issue of whether or not you are responsible for whatever happens at the end of the session especially for losses I think it is a matter of budget, every gambler is advised to gamble with a budget that they can afford to lose, no matter whether it is your money or not, and would not say that you are not a responsible gambler if you gamble with other people's money because of course you also have to return that person's money, It's more like borrowing money from someone else to fund your gambling activities and that means you have to return the same amount of money if there wasn't any agreement beforehand, and I reiterate that you can afford to lose when you put in small amounts of money that it wouldn't matter if it was lost, no matter who's money it is because even if you use someone else's money it means you have a responsibility to return it someday.

This depend on the amount actually. If I am a regular gambler that gamble $10 dollar a week and I don't feel anything when I lose this amount, I don't regret it, I don't feel like I even bet then that amount is something I can afford to lose and if don't have money to bet one day and I asked a friend or a close relative to help me out with $5 and the I used it to bet, I don't think that will look like money I can't afford to lose, its little for me to not lose because I didn't need to feed my stomach or do anything else just for gambling, even if I don't have anything at all, no hope, no food and the gamble with it's, it will look normal to me because it's a risk and nothing more.


Just because you have a job doesn't mean you should stake recklessly, staking higher doesn't guarantee anything, the same way you can lose when you stake lower is the same way you can lose when you stake hiher. So, instead of staking that high, better to work on your gambling style and how to win instead of always focusing on using all the money you make from your jobs, I do feel pity how some people gamble sometimes because it's not worth it and yet they don't learn.

I do not think it goes that way and here is the reason why.

If someone says he can afford to lose, it means there is no effect on his financial status no matter how much he losses.  It does not make him suffer a shortage of money to pay for his bills and daily needs.  Even when the money he gambles is given by other people, as long as his gambling losses do not make him short of money he can say that he is gambling the money he can afford to lose.

While, gambling that can't afford to lose is a situation where when a person's losses make him unable to pay for his needs or the money he used is allocated to somewhere else, even if he has a job it does not exempt him that he is gambling with money that he can't afford to lose.  In short, gambling can make a person short of money to support his needs, even with a high-paying job, it is labeled as gambling the money that a person can't afford to lose.

Maybe it's not about the amount of money that's being received as assistance for gambling, but rather an individual's perspective towards it. Some people, like you, may feel responsible if they receive money from someone who receives assistance for gambling. Regardless of the amount, you feel responsible and can't afford to lose the money easily. You want to show your friend or your relative that you give importance to the money and can even increase it through gambling.

On the other hand, some individuals may not feel any sense of responsibility when they receive assistance to gamble, as it is not their own money in the first place. They do not risk or lose their own funds, so whatever happens to the money does not affect them directly.

The gambler who had their job can able to afford the loss,kindly consider the gamblers who doing gambling with all the money he received from the small part time jobs.Already his condition was worst because of the low income due to the part time job,the gamblers who doesn’t able to accept the loss should stop playing when they start to face the loss in the gambling site.Mostly the income generating gamblers will use their income to the gambling site for the rotations of their gambling betting.If the gamblers can able to bear the loss of 50$ per month,he should allot the separate money of 50$ to their gambling as their gambling budget for the month.

Let's put the topic aside first and address why depending on someone for gambling funding ;D Why would you depend on another person to fund you, like are you supposed to be gambling or to be looking for a financial way to be stable or the person is just acting stupid of himself? I will never understand why someone will be depending on another person to gift him money to gamble, that shows you are not okay and you are not supposed to gambling but looking for a way to have money of yours.

I will assume depending on another person is be you don't have means to fund or probably you don't just want to use your money for that day, there is no way you would say the person is using the money he can't afford to lose except in situations where money used is really really big. Anyone can fund you a dollar to play game. My friends has gave me ₦1,000 which is less than a dollar before and I used it gamble and I made ₦7,000 the same day, I wouldn't say ₦1,000 is something I will regret using.

The difference is that the former can lose and will still have some money to live comfortably and normally, while the latter is hanging by a thread and, once lost, will have more problems than what they initially have. This is what I don't understand with people who are staking their last money into gambling with the thought that they can always win. With this line of thinking, they have wasted the chance to slowly but surely attain their goals by purposely hampering it with losses from gambling. If you can't afford to lose, don't gamble. It's that simple.

My view is that we usually can afford to make larger bets; however, we need to distinguish that even though we can, that doesn't mean we should. I rarely exceed the maximum budget I've allocated towards gambling; it usually varies from $40 to $60 per month, sometimes a little more or a little less, depending on how active I am or if I feel like playing a few games or sports betting.

I can afford to spend more; probably double or even triple my current budget wouldn't cause serious issues, apart from not being able to save as much, and I would probably have to resort to spending some of my signature earnings, which would set back my long-term investment.

Budgeting is essential; we need to set limits and boundaries and use our money wisely. Gambling is entertaining and all, but it can financially wreck you in no time if you're not careful.

It has nothing to do with having a good paying job or not IMO, because if you spend large amounts and lose them, you won't be able to pay your rent, food, car, debts, loans and whatever. Usually the more you earn as a salary the more you spend for your daily life, and getting signifcant losses can impact you in the same way as poorer people at the end, because you can't change and reduce your way of life in one day.

You have kinda so-so examples perhaps due to your skewed concepts of gambling and "gambling what you can afford to lose" but these are okay I guess. The only thing that you have to keep in mind is that you don't go over your financial capacity when you gamble. And to find out whether you're gambling beyond your means you should ask yourself these questions before you place any bet:

• What do I gain from this?: Assess what's in it for you when you gamble. What are you really gambling for, how do you think you can sustainably gamble with that directive/purpose for gambling in mind.
• How capable am I of gambling?: Assess your financial capacity before you start to gamble and that also includes assessing how expensive the game of your choice is. Are you a low-income earner? Is the game/casino you want to play with a little over the board or economical, etc.
• How many games of this/these can I lose before I become broke? A good way to assess if gambling's really for you is checking just how much losses could you incur before you start thinking about cooking gruel for the whole month's meal plan. The lesser losses, the more you couldn't afford to gamble.

And lastly;

• Where am I getting the money to gamble?: Practically the most important question you should ask yourself before you even decide to gamble. Ask yourself if where you're getting the money to gamble. Are you getting it out of your paycheck? Are you still dependent upon your parent's allowances, etc.

Soon as you get sound answers to these questions, you yourself would be able to assess whether you deserve to gamble or not. No big rocket science bullshit.

What you can afford to lose is the extra money, and what do you consider extra money? When you are earning money, you make a budget for each thing you need to do with your money. Put aside the money that you will use for overall monthly expenses, put aside the money that you will use for savings, put aside the money that you will save as emergency funds, and if you still have something left, that is what you can call extra money and you can afford to lose it although it's not necessary to do that.

If you are not saving money, have no emergency funds, and aren't even fulfilling all the requirements of your expenses and gambling with the money, that isn't money you can afford to lose even if you are earning it.

I’m skeptical to agree on this opinion since I believe affording something means your life keeps going even if you lose that money. Affording something doesn’t mean you need to become fully prepared financially because it’s very hard to satisfy this criteria since our necessities increase base on our total income which means there’s always a time that you can cover everything using your salary.

It’s like affording an expensive dinner using your hard earned salary since it’s your goal for that month. it’s same on gambling, If you allocate some money on it then you can afford it as long as your life will continue normally even if you lose.

Only gambling with enough money is advice that is always given to many people who gamble because only then can they understand that gambling is entertainment in their spare time and not for chasing wins. If they can become the first society, they can still live comfortably and normally as usual even if they gamble and lose because they can allocate a certain amount of money to gamble. Meanwhile, in other parts of society, some people gamble excessively, which makes them lose a lot of money and prevents them from continuing their lives easily. This is what has been happening in many communities where they think they can pin their hopes on gambling because they want to win.

Are you sure of what you are saying? You might be mistaken because there is no gain when you are risking more than what you can afford to risk even when you have a good paying job there is no need to risk your whole money when gambling. Risk are risky big or small risk they are the same as you can lose what you risked.
You don't have to depend on someone when ever you want to gamble because you can not afford to risk the money you where given, people get in touch with trouble because they don't have good understanding about what gamble is. People get a job so that they can progress and move forward to the next stages then gambling with all your money because you can afford them doesn't make any sense as you will not progress.

Yes and from the beginning I also really couldn't think about the link between the responsibility aspect of gambling and employment or funds provided by others, however and simply put if whatever money you use to gamble whether it's your own money or money from loans if you are basically unable to accept the fact of losing at the end of the session then obviously that means you are not a responsible gambler.

On the other hand the way to see if someone is responsible or able to accept the fact of losing or not is that you can see from the emotions that they will release when they lose and not determine from whether they have a job (their own income) or not, and even if they have a job it does not mean that they are not responsible and I think it is clear that the OP cannot conclude that gamblers who have jobs then they will put high amounts that cannot afford to lose, so the point for this problem really has nothing to do with work because it is more about the amount of allocation on gambling that will determine whether you are able or not to take responsibility for it.

You're making up definitions, OP.
It's easy to say whether you can or cannot afford to lose something. The main question is if the money is vital to your, or your family's survival. If losing the money means you won't have anything to eat or you won't pay your electricity bill and sit in the dark, you definitely cannot afford to lose that money. It's not about depending on others but jeopardizing your well being. If you hold someone else's money and gamble with it, when you know that if you lose it, you'll also lose that of that person, you also cannot afford to lose that money.
Sometimes it can feel like the distinction is complicated but it's not, you just have to think about it for a second and you'll be able to tell.

Any responsible adult should know the difference between what they can and can’t afford to lose when gambling. It isn’t difficult to set a budget, I understand some people can go too far but you have to have conviction in managing your own gambling risk.

Most reputable casinos and sportsbooks promote responsible gambling but really, you have to take control yourself. You can not blame anybody else for your gambling failures

It's actually a default settings in the minds of most humans to mismanage funds and that's why majority of gamblers fall into this category. Planning and managing your funds is a responsibility that only you do and failure to do so is solely dependent on your management skills.
Most people lack discipline and that's the result to all the blame on their gambling failure, the key to all this is to have a strong and discipline mind to keep up with your decisions to avoid any unnecessary regrets.

Perhaps it was the extra money that he can have because of that huge paying job. Nevertheless, it will not be enough though, this is gambling, we risk almost everything here and we don't know what will be the outcome. Even that high paying job is a risk as well because you really don't know that the next day, you are going to be fired.

This happens to me, I thought that I'm stable for a good job and so I gamble every pay day until the clients pull out and our company when on to lay off to cut budget including me. So it's the point here is that we could gamble and think that we can afford to lose that money, but you will never know what's going to happen to you next.

I know from my own understanding in gambling that gambling with the a huge amount of money can make you not to accomplish your objectives or your project, so what I want us to understand the concerning dumbling is that it is a something that we supposed to know particular amount of money that they can be fixed weekly or monthly for gambling so that it will not affect your salary or affect any of your project that you are having with your salary, many people misunderstand the concept of gambling that is why they do involve all their monthly earning gambling

The gambler who get understand the gambling as created for the entertainment will play the gambling without the emotion.But the current market was totally different one,many gamblers want to make money from the gambling site by make use of their analytical skills.The casino games was mostly based on the predictions of the betting game,if the gamblers had made the correct betting it will help the gamblers to multiple their capital to 2x,3x,4x and 6x based on the betting option in that casino game.If the gamblers take risk in the 6x betting of the game in gambling site means the gamblers can multiple their deposit money in the short duration.

I've seen different opinions and suggestions concerning the topic of discussion and most of the definitions and explanations I think are absolutely correct but slightly ambiguous for a layman's understanding and that's why I want to chip in my own suggestion concerning the issue of discussion.
When a gambler is using money that's other than his disposable income, he's simply gambling above what he can afford to lose. Disposable income as we all know is that money that comes out when every expenses and necessary savings are made. So gambling with any money other than disposable income isn't good for a gambler

There's no exact figure of what amount we afford to lose. Even if we set an amount, we will always try to breach it.

What we need to practice is, being responsible at all times regardless of the amount we are currently staking it.

In other words, learn how to take a break in gambling, or else, something worst will happened instead.

Yeah that's true because it takes only a split second to actually change your mind to either fund your account to bet because they are times when we even break that fixed amount but if you are mentality and emotional stable to your decision then it won't be any problem at all for you to help yourself because compulsive reasoning to wether to continue with gambling when funds is exhausted is definitely unhealthy and can definitely destroy many things for you.

Yes, that is true, casino's promoted "responsible gambling", but it is still up to us as a adult on how to control our gambling activity. Well you can set aside money and says that you can play and afford to lose that one.

But still there could be moments that you become out of control. One of the things that I learn throughout my gambling is that it's based on emotions. So if you can't control this emotions, then even with a budget, you can still go overboard and lose everything.

One of the biggest mistake of us people on which on the time that we are making some upgrades with our earning is that our lifestyle do also step up. On the time that we've been doing gambling
then pretty sure it would really be stepping up too and on the time that both things do goes into the same path then you would really be still ending up on having no money in the end of the line
on which it would really be just that a common result into those people who arent having those kind of plans about their future and really just that minding on the current conditions or situations that
 they are in and they would really be just making those adjustments when the damage has already been done.

in gambling you are meant to gamble with what is generate what you receive as weekly and monthly income, you are not supposed to use another person's income to gamble or to depend on someone's money in order to gamble for me it is quite bad for someone who is a gambler to be depending on someone's income in other to gamble knowing that gambling is a game of risk and it has to do with profit making and loss making so when you use someone's money to gamble, you might end up of losing whatever thing you use to stake in your gambling, so I know very well that gambling have to deal with advantages and disadvantages so you have to use your own personal money to gamble not to depend on someone's money

That's what I notice at first too and for me, even if you have a job or business that gives you a large income and then you just use it to gamble with no certainty of winning, it seems like you are just wasting the money you worked hard for, which is not what you should be. We really need strong decision-making and self-control, especially if you enter the world of gambling, you need to be able to separate your time and attention from your career and vice. You can't combine them because both can be lost.

The amount that can be considered as afford to lose which amount of funds you can lose and that can affect your life financially. If it affects you it is not a fact how much the fund is but it is obviously the fund you can not afford to lose.

I think we have our own definitions of what can and what can't afford to lose. Well, my definition is that what you can afford to lose is that even if you lose there's no effect to you mentally and physically and you have no regrets even if you lose, what you can't afford to lose is the amount of money you've lost that can affect you mentally and physically. I know most of us know the feeling that if we lose, there's a certain feeling that we feel like sadness and regret and that's what you can't afford to lose but if you lose and you don't feel anything then I think you can call that afford to lose.

Money that you can't afford to close puts too much pressure on you and when you can gamble well under pressure you're going to lose all the money that you brought out to gamble. When you also lose you'll be trying to win back your losses instead of gambling to make profits and since your focus has been shifted you're going to keep losing. Gambling should be a fun activity and not an activity that's giving you pains. Don't also use all your salary to gamble but only use a small percentage.

Money you can't afford to lose are money that when you lose them while gambling you'll spend the rest of your time and day trying to win them back but money that you can afford to lose are those money that won't make you to think when you lose them while gambling. This money is different based on the individuals that's gambling as sometime the money can be high or low depending on their income

I think it is stupid to seek for us to gamble having others money because why you need to play when he can do it yourself?
and also you have to learn to find other things to do done just gambling.

sorry but you have just said again what you mentioned above its just in different form but same thoughts.

It is wrong to think that just because a person is employed, he will have no fear of losing money. A person earns money by working it does not mean that his money is easy to earn but the company where he works earns profit and then pays him from that profit means he has to work hard to earn money and if he earns money by working hard  Of course there will be fear of losing money. We sometimes think that those who have enough money have no problem gambling and losing money, but this is not the case. Rich or poor, no one ever wants money to go down in his account rather he wants money to grow from the amount of money he has. Both the rich and the poor gamble to make a profit.

You could have a job and still gamble above what you can afford to loose. I haven't done a thorough research but from my observation, most persons that have a regular stream of income and  that are currently working tend to gamble above thier means because of the feeling that at the end of the month they will certainly receive thier pay check that could cover up for whatever loses they've incurred within the month in the process of gambling. This is a serious setup that need to be studied and avoided because if care isn't taken, you are going to aways put all your salary into gambling and at the end of the day you wouldn't be able to save anything out of your salary.  

Who cares if the amount of money involved can afford to lose or not for a person who receives financial support from others?

They won't bother to think about that anymore and they will just gamble no matter what.

The difference is about the pressure to win, gamblers who have financial support won't be pressured much to lose since they are expecting money without the need to work for it. Unlike those who do have stable jobs, they will be careful not to lose since they always need to work to maintain their income source.

But what if the amount that he can afford to lose is all of his monthly income? we know it doesn't look good if we can't save our salary because we can't know what will going to happen in the future, but since it's their life, we can't judge anything and it's up to the person how he will spend his money.

As long as he didn't use other people money or harm other people, we should let him to do anything he want.

Playing gambling without the emotion is hard and not many gamblers can do because gambling will tempted them to playing more and more. Only wise gamblers can used gambling as an entertainment and will used money they can afford. They will not gamble using big money if they can't afford to lose because they realize that playing gambling is no need to use much money. We can see many gamblers placing their bet with a big money but many of them isn't ready if they loss. This makes them need to aware that they can't make money easily from gambling. Yes, they can make money but they don't have to chase the winning because that can cause them losing much money. What they can do is just use gambling for fun with money they can afford.

It is possible that even the money you get from others to gamble can still be the money you can afford to lose,because from your mind, your plan is to use it to gamble, but in case you don't have any money with you and you ask for assistance, there is something you can use the money for, but you use it to gamble. That type of money is what you cannot afford to lose. Know that there are many people who have money but sometimes decide to ask friends for some money they will use to gamble. So collecting money to gamble doesn't mean the person does not have money with him or her, but the truth is that he doesn't have what he can afford to lose sometimes. 


What I understand by the amount of money someone can afford to lose is that when someone loses it, it will not affect him or her. So even if someone has a job and always receives a huge amount of money monthly or weekly, once they gamble with any amount of money, if they lose it, it will affect him or her. That type of money is what they can't afford to lose. Just for example, if someone is receiving $1k every month, one day, when they receive their monthly salary of $1k that it already have planned for but decide to gamble with $200. This means it just sacrifice the $200 for gambling; this $200 is the money it  can't afford to lose because if it lose the money, it will affect them because it already have plans for the money in other ways. 

It's like OP is talking about two extremes of two money management issues, the way of expressing it seems a bit lengthy. But I can also feel this happening in life, and it's not so common because it exists in more specific cases.

I think it's just that a gambler is aware of their behavior so they can do whatever they want, it doesn't matter too much whether they are rich/poor as long as they are responsible for their actions. But stories about chess addicts are common and most of them make mistakes in the process of letting greed lead and control their behavior. Even outside of the gambling industry, in life not everyone can find a balance in spending that is appropriate for the things they do.

The mentality of being ready to lose... that's what we have to have when gambling. Why is that.? Because if we don't have the mentality to be able to accept defeat, then the gambling we do will only make us more stressed, because when it comes to the final result in gambling, winning is only a possibility while losing is something we will experience. definitely get it. So in reality, defeat will always dominate in every gambling session we do. And that is the reason why we have to bet with an amount of money that we can afford to lose, which of course can help us accept the final result of gambling well, so that it doesn't cause deep feelings of disappointment and regret.

"Gambling is a form of entertainment, it is played to be enjoyed, not regretted."

what's the meaning that you should gamble with what you can afford to lose is that some people use all their money to ensure that they have gamble thinking that with that money they win gambling why on the process they lose the gambling so what they mean is that you should gamble with what you can afford to lose so that when you lose it will not affect you or make you to be depressed in life that is the element of whatever tell me are telling you

I have to disagree with this statement,I used to believe it too but I screw it up really big lately and now when coming back from office to home I see these fancy good restaurants and I have no money to eat a good dinner there because I lost the money in gambling.Now this of course does not affect me financially as I have everything needed to live the life I have always used to but surely it impacted me in the sense that I could have spent that money by going out to dinner to one such fancy restaurant yet I choose gambling instead.It means that both affect us but when you go a bit further and spend money for core needs that means you have gone to far.

Save up and invest in knowledge, one of the independent skill to stand on. Everyone provides research and takes strong stands in the system; we can be on the correct track or on the losing end; our eyes only become clear after we have successfully liquidated our accounts. You can't be in a decent position with a steady income and still gamble; it's impossible, but most individuals have managed to deal with this burden. I've never met somebody who is addicted to gambling; instead, I've met a few gamblers, and I must say that this is a very risky activity to participate in.

Yes you are right. The point is not how much a person earns, but what risks he takes in the casino; if he earns a lot, but most of the income goes to gambling, then in the end he will lose his money.
The only difference, and it is significant, is when a person spends his own money on gambling, which he earned, and another person borrows and loses (in the end this often happens) other people’s money. Both fail, but they are different things, I guess

It is okay to say that amounts which when you lose can affect you financially is an amount you can't afford to lose, he is not wrong. Many people won't be happy losing amounts capable of making them go bankrupt yea,  but this goes beyond just affecting you financially, it's all about the impact that money has on your general wellbeing if you lose it. 

When People say "lend only the amount you can afford to lose" it means they should lend only the amount they won't feel hurt over if the borrower refuses to pay, you can easily let go of that money without much emotional attachments.

I can be rich and still not be willing to lose anything. Many people ain't strong emotionally to handle losses even if they can easily replace what was lost. If you know losing $10 will hurt you so much, then avoid gambling with such amount,  go for something that is favourable to you.

What if a person is so reckless and irresponsible that they don't feel any mental or physical stress even after spending useful funds on gambling? Maybe they have $200 in total for a month, they need at least $150 for their household expenses, and they spend $100 out of it on gambling, and then struggle with household expenses and make his family suffer but feel no regret or remorse because he enjoyed his time and he barely cares about what is happening. I say this because there are people like that.

So, I don't agree with your definition of what one can afford to lose. What one can afford to lose is an amount that is left after everything else is covered including household and personal expenses, savings, investment funds, and any other things that one needs money for.