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Economy => Gambling discussion => Topic started by: Kakmakr on March 10, 2024, 10:05:55 AM



Title: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Kakmakr on March 10, 2024, 10:05:55 AM
I think it is time for third party Slot developers to give us more multiplayer games.

Imagine a game where players can play the same slot game and where they "fight" together to defeat the "house" - They all fight and a percentage of the money goes into a single pot and the rest goes to the casino. The goal might be to defeat a "Big Boss" or a "Dragon" or a huge Alien ship .. and the team that takes it down, share the spoils. (The more you play or the higher you bet, the higher your percentage of the total winnings) - High rollers can come in, bet huge amounts.. fail to take it down and leave, the pot is then shared by whoever is in at the time when the "Boss" is defeated.

If you drop out, you lose your chance to get a share of the winnings. You never know when it will go down, because high rollers can come in at any time with bigger bets to take it down quicker. There will be multiple games at the same time, so you can jump in and out of different games or just concentrate on one game.

https://i.postimg.cc/L81Lmyv5/5-player-slot-game-7.jpg

Do you think it will work and will it be more fun to play multiplayer games like this?



Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 10, 2024, 10:24:57 AM
There are so many flaw with this kind games, in the end the high roller will win because it's a pay to win games. Since people know they don't have enough money to beat the high roller, they won't want to play this games, it means no one will interested and the high roller will tired for waiting unexperienced gamblers to join.

There are few casinos offer games that need to be played more than 2 players, but it's not like this games. Unfortunately the demand is low because not many people can wait for other players.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Maus0728 on March 10, 2024, 10:30:12 AM
Is the win going to be split equally among the players regardless of the contribution? Because if that's the case, there's going to be a lot of slackers that are going to be abusing that feature where everyone get the win. It's probably not even the biggest problem for this kind of game too, there's also the fact that there's no communication in an online casino and it's difficult to establish that part especially if you're playing with strangers, maybe even with friends but I don't think that a casino would enable that you can play with your friends. Maybe we should stick to poker for multiplayer games.

Cool concept nonetheless but the brainstorming for the mechanics is going to be really difficult to do, maybe someday we'll see one become a thing and be successful.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Beparanf on March 10, 2024, 01:04:40 PM
There’s already a live slot games which users can chip in with the streamers that playing slots and win together with the streamer. It’s not really a multiplayer game but the profit sharing is the same since you are betting on same game with the streamers as your player.

I remember fishing game when I saw this topic since it’s a multiplayer game but still a game of chance since you can sneak a huge win from whales even if they are using much better nets. I still don’t see this kind of game being applied on crypto casino but this game is already available in online casino here in my country. Maybe crypto casino is not really interested on multiplayer games?


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: criptoevangelista on March 10, 2024, 01:41:51 PM
There could be some system to implement betting on real games that already exist, some type of championship worth prizes in crypto organized by a legitimate betting site.

For example:

When I compete in street fighter 6 championships, I always use the https://www.start.gg/ website

Everything is well organized there, all that is needed is for some type of website to implement the system in its betting house, it would give ordinary players the opportunity to compete for prizes and others could bet too


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: un_rank on March 10, 2024, 01:56:41 PM
It looks fun on paper, almost like a multi player video game, but it cannot be effectively implemented in gambling. What most casinos do is allow players to play against each other, but not together as a team against the house.

On the side of the players, staking and sharing a pot other players whose skill level you are unaware of will not be that attractive. It also complicates the winnings and payouts which change as the game goes by and players lose out.

- Jay -


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: bittraffic on March 10, 2024, 02:25:34 PM

So many flaws pointed out above and they are right about it. I wouldn't want to play while the rest are just not skilled enough to beat the house and in that case, one will just sit and watch waiting for them to win and get their percentage of the pot.

If they shared in the pot based on how much they have worked to win against the house, it might just be a good game. But I think a team vs team will be a better option for this. Kinda like a CSGO team vs another.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: dimonstration on March 10, 2024, 02:31:17 PM

So many flaws pointed out above and they are right about it. I wouldn't want to play while the rest are just not skilled enough to beat the house and in that case, one will just sit and watch waiting for them to win and get their percentage of the pot.


As I understand the mechanics of the OP on his proposal game. The pot prize will distribute based on the contributions of players so a player that doesn’t contribute to take down the boss will not gain anything which is a fair mechanics on a RPG.

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If they shared in the pot based on how much they have worked to win against the house, it might just be a good game. But I think a team vs team will be a better option for this. Kinda like a CSGO team vs another.

This is really what written in the OP but in different words. I believe the team up word is just to express that you are playing with other players at the same time to have a common goal. But in reality your reward is still based on what you’ve done in the game.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: panjul07 on March 10, 2024, 02:50:32 PM
I have never played such game before tbh as I'm not a fan of multiplayer game or such complicated game but I wonder, is there good number of gamblers who like to play such game especially if the winning chance will most likely based on our bankroll?
Since I'm not a fan of multiplayer game, I dont think it will be fun for me to play such game but of course there must be some people who can have fun playing such game.
Frankly, I dont think 3rd party slot providers will create it (at least for now) since slot and other games (table games) can be said as the most profitable games for them.
What comes to mind about the game you are trying to propose is that the providers will not make much money from it compared to slots and/or table games.



Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: PytagoraZ on March 10, 2024, 03:14:24 PM
I don't fully understand what you mean, but it seems like your idea is difficult to implement because you also allow for betting differences. If played together then the bets must be the same and the balance must also be the same, otherwise the one who runs out of balance automatically loses.

It might be more logical if players join together to beat one slot machine, the balance collected will be played on that slot machine and if it wins it will be distributed to all the gamblers who joined. I once watched a youtube channel that did this, they played at land based casinos


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: swogerino on March 10, 2024, 04:53:12 PM
There’s already a live slot games which users can chip in with the streamers that playing slots and win together with the streamer. It’s not really a multiplayer game but the profit sharing is the same since you are betting on same game with the streamers as your player.

I remember fishing game when I saw this topic since it’s a multiplayer game but still a game of chance since you can sneak a huge win from whales even if they are using much better nets. I still don’t see this kind of game being applied on crypto casino but this game is already available in online casino here in my country. Maybe crypto casino is not really interested on multiplayer games?

I would personally love to see this option being implement in a real crypto casino.I wonder why the casinos don't implement it,sure there may be sometimes when the streamer is betting a lot and wins and also players playing this game get a really nice profit sharing but I am sure that this cannot happen quite a lot of times and in fact must be a rare event which means the casino would add up their finances if they implement such game.I don't think lack resources to do that,I think they are already happy with what they offer and with what they are earning from their games so that most likely make them not that much really interesting in applying these kind of multiplier type of games in their offering.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Cookdata on March 10, 2024, 04:59:41 PM
Imagine a game where players can play the same slot game and where they "fight" together to defeat the "house" - They all fight and a percentage of the money goes into a single pot and the rest goes to the casino. The goal might be to defeat a "Big Boss" or a "Dragon" or a huge Alien ship .. and the team that takes it down, share the spoils. (The more you play or the higher you bet, the higher your percentage of the total winnings) - High rollers can come in, bet huge amounts.. fail to take it down and leave, the pot is then shared by whoever is in at the time when the "Boss" is defeated.

If you drop out, you lose your chance to get a share of the winnings. You never know when it will go down, because high rollers can come in at any time with bigger bets to take it down quicker. There will be multiple games at the same time, so you can jump in and out of different games or just concentrate on one game.


Do you think it will work and will it be more fun to play multiplayer games like this?

If third party slot developers were to launch this game on casino, don't you think it will not be profitable for casino and the developers? Let me explain in details.
Casinos usually just provide the medium for gamblers to have access to games but game developers do the work and some percentage goes to the game developers when gamblers lose and more profit goes to the casino but since developers don't work with one casino, they tend to gain more. However, since the percentage go's to the any of the players, how will the casino and game developers earn big amount of money considering the cost of set up and other costs.

Unless if the casino is going to make players earn 50% of what they bet while the rest goes to the casino pocket, it is going to be a difficult business in the long run because it might not be patronized like the way casino games are going to be patronized.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Hispo on March 10, 2024, 05:29:25 PM
I don't fully understand what you mean, but it seems like your idea is difficult to implement because you also allow for betting differences. If played together then the bets must be the same and the balance must also be the same, otherwise the one who runs out of balance automatically loses.

It might be more logical if players join together to beat one slot machine, the balance collected will be played on that slot machine and if it wins it will be distributed to all the gamblers who joined. I once watched a youtube channel that did this, they played at land based casinos

I am not closed minded to the novelty some casinos could offer to us with times and some research, to be honest. But I believe that how it stands for now, most casinos which operate online feel very comfortable providing single player experiences to their gamblers, in part because that is what it has become the market standard in the majority of the market. You know.
Casinos, in the time being do not see any need to move their business model or their games model into a different stage or modality, because they are already having much profit off the traditional games we all know and enjoy, so there is no need to invest and risk from their part.

It would take a relatively small or moderate-sized casinos to invest and take the risk of the innovation, develop those multiplayer games for the sake of attracting the attention of gamblers who are seeking for a different experience online, otherwise, we all will have to wait for a long time before seeing those multiplayer games mentioned by OP and by others.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: iv4n on March 10, 2024, 05:49:33 PM
They all fight and a percentage of the money goes into a single pot and the rest goes to the casino. The goal might be to defeat a "Big Boss" or a "Dragon" or a huge Alien ship .. and the team that takes it down, share the spoils. (The more you play or the higher you bet, the higher your percentage of the total winnings) -
Do you think it will work and will it be more fun to play multiplayer games like this?


This sounds like a bankroll fight to me... the ones who have the highest bankroll will ultimately win the game. I agree that we need more multiplayer games around, but it's hard to create a multiplayer game based on skill. We already have some slot wars (based on luck) around, and crash games for more people (based on luck), but when it comes to multiplayer games based on skill I can't think of any.

Maybe sports betting and different competitions can be counted as multiplayer games based on skill (https://www.gosubetting.com/tipster-challenge/leaderboard/?action=rounds, and some other sports competition), but it's still a passive way of playing games. I am not aware of any skill-based multiplayer game that we can play and win some crypto.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Rruchi man on March 10, 2024, 05:52:11 PM
Casinos and betting websites are created more for making profits than for satisfying every demand of their customers, the gamblers who play on them.

Unless if the casino is going to make players earn 50% of what they bet while the rest goes to the casino pocket, it is going to be a difficult business in the long run because it might not be patronized like the way casino games are going to be patronized.
I imagine that multiplayer games must have been considered, but because it will not be as profitable as the gamblers playing directly against the house, many casinos have chosen to ignore it completely, or reduce the number of multiplayer games they have.

If a casino you already play on does not have enough multiplayer games, find a casino or platform that offers such.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: goinmerry on March 10, 2024, 05:55:35 PM
Similar to PVP games that's why we don't see it on most online casinos as a LIVE MATCH.

There are lots of irregularities that might happen behind the screen;

- we don't know if we are facing a real human and not a bot
- devs can just put a programmed player there and act like a normal player (or in MMORPG private server game, it's called Playing GM)
- the ladder match, leaderboards, or any type of points-gathering competition is prone to cheating

It's more fun on a physical betting shop though since it's like just playing usual arcade games.

It might be fun but online casinos won't surely bother to integrate that alongside the usual casino games.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: yahoo62278 on March 10, 2024, 06:01:21 PM
Aren't the esports games sorta what you are talking about? It's not vs the house but you're betting team vs team. You the gambler aren't actually a part of the game, I get that, but if you're gambling on the game it sorta makes you feel like a part of the team.



Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: uneng on March 10, 2024, 06:08:27 PM
I guess it could work as a PvP team game, but not as a game where every players join together against the house, because it seems to not be profitable for the casino, so I see no reason why they would offer a game like this to their public. Maybe something like Clash Royale where players run 3x3 matches, while wagering money could be interesting. This way, we would still have the luck factor, but also skill factor involved, what could be interesting for many gamers to develop interest for this concept of gambling game.

Players would have to place a bet in order to play, and viewers could also place bets on third party games, if desired. In the end, the victorious team would win, side by side with external bettors and also the house, which would always collect a commission on every matches. In fact, I don't know why this kind of gambling concept isn't being widely offered to the gambling community yet. For me it seems pretty obvious something new like this could awake the interest from potential gamblers who don't feel comfortable playing games where they have to fully rely on luck in order to win, and that they can't profit on long run.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: famososMuertos on March 10, 2024, 06:24:22 PM
I think that the fact that you do not find it true to your idea does not necessarily mean that it does not exist, at least as you are precisely thinking, because if we start adding things, each game becomes individual, even if the objective are multiplayer.
You have this case:

There’s already a live slot games which users can chip in with the streamers that playing slots and win together with the streamer. It’s not really a multiplayer game but the profit sharing is the same since you are betting on same game with the streamers as your player.

I remember fishing game when I saw this topic since it’s a multiplayer game but still a game of chance since you can sneak a huge win from whales even if they are using much better nets. I still don’t see this kind of game being applied on crypto casino but this game is already available in online casino here in my country. Maybe crypto casino is not really interested on multiplayer games?
+1

If I'm not mistaken Roobet has something similar,  I haven't played there for years due to country restrictions, however there are many games where your idea applies in a similar context. For example, there are progressive jackpots, it is not the same, but everyone is putting money into the pot, etc.

Slots are a classic that has a structure that works like romantic movies, only the protagonists change, multiplatform games are emerging everywhere, and in reality they are the future of online casinos, but they do not have to evolve into concepts such as slots theming.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: danherbias07 on March 10, 2024, 06:27:08 PM
Woohooh. This will be fun!
I like the idea. Like those games in arcades where the player with the most coins battling the big fish wins the game. This type of game will be for whales but what if a low-capital player will get lucky to time that moment where the cash out is happening? I mean, that will be one heck of profit for him while risking a little amount.

Yes, I think it will work but I am having some thoughts on how much the initial bet should be. The minimum. Slots have a minimum of $0.1, I checked a lot of third-party applications and I think that's the lowest. A lot of players don't like that because it is in USD so it's still expensive in 100 rounds of playing. I think they should try to cut it down in half. $0.05 and more players will come out. When this happens, it will be like the MMO of gambling because many will participate and they will probably be there waiting for a chance to get in.

I just worry about the bots. Let's hope they will find a way to make it happen and be more secure with bots. If they will come in without having anything to bet, and somehow made profits, that will be a sad moment for the real players who are risking their money.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: GxSTxV on March 10, 2024, 07:05:56 PM
I had a similar thread about this idea of creating more fun games where either you bet and fight against other player in FPS mode or against the casino itself with modes of real control games not totally based on luck. I don’t find much casinos as well offering online poker played against players which can bring player but not profit to the casino. I remember the only casino offering Poker online played among other players and not video poker was Betnomi which is now closed.
Personally, if there’s a big community of players that are betting while playing on 1vs1 or more games, I would definitely set my bet and fight for it.

There are few casinos offer games that need to be played more than 2 players, but it's not like this games. Unfortunately the demand is low because not many people can wait for other players.

True! The problem is not many gamblers are aware of this kind of gambling games, without depending only on luck, the common games now are pure based luck games such as slots. If there’s any casino on multiplayer mode I am certain there will be only few gamblers playing it due to lack of marketing and profit from the casinos side.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 10, 2024, 07:58:59 PM
If you drop out, you lose your chance to get a share of the winnings. You never know when it will go down, because high rollers can come in at any time with bigger bets to take it down quicker. There will be multiple games at the same time, so you can jump in and out of different games or just concentrate on one game.

This idea seems that this kind of game is definitely going to be so unfair to all gamblers because it only requires higher rollers to stay in the game until they have defeated the big boss, and even if only higher rollers are the class of gamblers involved in the game, at some point, most of them will exhaust their funds and might want to refile their account, but because they have failed out, they can't re-join the game again, which means they will have to start over. Also, if the game is developed, it will only be high rollers that can engage in the game, while casino owners are looking for even more interesting games that can engage all classes of gamblers, such as high and low rollers. 

My idea is that if the game can be designed in two patterns, where higher rollers will have there's and low rollers can also have there's, that might be a bit better. 


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: bitbollo on March 10, 2024, 09:07:51 PM

This idea seems that this kind of game is definitely going to be so unfair to all gamblers because it only requires higher rollers to stay in the game until they have defeated the big boss, and even if only higher rollers are the class of gamblers involved in the game, at some point, most of them will exhaust their funds and might want to refile their account, but because they have failed out, they can't re-join the game again, which means they will have to start over. Also, if the game is developed, it will only be high rollers that can engage in the game, while casino owners are looking for even more interesting games that can engage all classes of gamblers, such as high and low rollers.

My idea is that if the game can be designed in two patterns, where higher rollers will have there's and low rollers can also have there's, that might be a bit better.

any games where a high roller has an advantage are usually the least played ones.
I see as a further limit in this kind of game, the lack of the "thrill" (sooner or later you reach the "final boss"...) that characterizes slot machine winnings ::)


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: Kakmakr on March 11, 2024, 06:52:50 AM
Ok, let my paint the picture a bit better.  ;)

There are multiple games running at the same time, allowing only active players to bet.. once you stop betting.. you go into spectator mode and you cannot share in the winning pot.

The highrollers are risking more money, by staying in longer ...so they can either win some of their money back or lose everything if they bail out early.

Bots cannot be used, because only verified accounts can participate. If you "verify" a bot, you still lose money while you are betting... and bots hate spending money to earn money.

There are the opportunity for a new player entering the game and betting a small amount and then the "Boss" are defeated and the treasure distributed between the team that defeated the "Boss" (So you can win something big, with a small amount of betting)

It is like a shared Jackpot being won by a team... and not a single player.


Title: Re: We need more multiplayer casino games!
Post by: babagem1 on March 26, 2024, 11:13:33 AM
This will really be more fun and I know that is some game that has this kind of features and it’s usually amazing and really fun to always play, but is one thing I would ask if someone should more than the other person would be percentage like the shadow formula be equal, or it will be as you play more effective. That is how your percentage will be higher than others, the percentage is equals some people will feel reluctant a lot and wouldn’t put more effort so it’s better you get the level of percentage according to the effort you put in