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Recently I played new game of Push Gaming Swarm Wild 2. I don’t play the first version so I don’t have any idea if the game has same features but what I really on this slot game is it has a feature that increase the slot RTP when you increase the hive level through collecting bees.

The increase of RTP gives you more chance to win higher multiplier on chest and a possibility to have swarm mode which increases multiplier of the bonus mode. I think I play some slot game like this on Play’n Go but I already forgot the name. Does anyone here play this kind of slot game and is your favorite so that I can try it too!

Here’s the review of swarm mode 2 for those interested to check the game specifications. https://www.bigwinboard.com/wild-swarm-2-push-gaming-slot-review/

The first Wild Swarm didn't mention RTP changes along with the player's level, and IIRC many of the similar slots with "level-up mechanics" also didn't state RTP changes. Play'n GO has many slots with level-up mechanics, for instance, Sweet Alchemy, Gemix, Gemix 2, etc. I don't like it since players must commit to playing the same title for quite a long time. It would get pretty boring quickly and you "can't" go anywhere since you already invested much time, money, and energy ;D

I do play slot games a lot, and I think on multiple occasions, Ive come across this particular game but unfortunately, it has never picked my interest, so, I've never played this game, and neither have I ever played any slot game with increasing RTP.

But all the same, I think the idea is very interesting though, though regardless of the ability to increase RTP while in-game play, slot games remains slot games, they are pure luck based, and personally, I would say that categorically, if luck isn't on the player's side, he or she would still lose money regardless.

But like I said before, I idea is good and one that will possibly attract a lot of slot players for a short while, but only those who understand RTP in slot games, you did be amazed to know that alot of slot game players don't know what RTP is, or it contributes to their possibility of winning or losing in their games.

You never said by what percentage RTP is increased. If it increases from 96% to 99% you will notice that only after playing many thousands of games. If less than that(which is most likely the case) you will hardly notice it at all.

I think it says 96.67%. Must be noticeable enough. I haven't bet on that site though.

These slot games are in the popular casinos I'm just not sure if they have the higher RTP.  If you are to look for it, it will come up using the search box and you just have to examine each. Though slot is a popular game, there are just so many varieties of it, they change its same with very little modification.

Well, I've tried some of the slot games in my gambling journey but do not fully want to play them. One of the main reasons is that slot games are luck-based gambling games with probability, so if you are lucky enough, you could get the probability in order to win. But reading this kind of feature wherein you can increase your chances of winning in a slot game might be a game changer. Maybe I will play slot games with this kind of feature to at least have the hope to win in it, but the thing is, what is the mechanics of increasing its chances? Every roll or game? Because if it's on every roll, then it's worth trying, but of course, make sure that they will really give you a win. Anyway,I don't know any slot games with these features, but thanks to you, I might play slot games again with this kind of system.

Never play that you mention before I just tried new pragmatic game candy or something like that and Usually player in my place only play gate of olympus  ;D and god from greek or something like that.

The reason why some slot game is increasing RTP maybe because simply the slot game is too crowd right now there is a bunch of provider with a bunch of game on each providers. Maybe because of this they should make a decision to make their game is stand out from the other

This is similar to other types of promotions given to people at the casino for betting a lot or discounts given by a business to customers for spending a lot. As the business earns more, it offers a bigger discount. I would like to know if those who bet on this type of slots and get to increase the RTP notice anything, because even if it increases 2%, as it is after many spins and there is always a statistical variability I think it will be little noticeable, unless the person is autosuggested.

Sounds interesting. I haven't tried playing the game yet, but I think I have tried similar ones before, where RTP improves as you progress. I'll try to check this out next time when I play slots.

There is more, I genuinely don't like playing any slot games with increasing RTP, it's against my ways of gambling, anything that will retain me on a sit, asking for more efforts to keep on gambling is a red flag for me, this is why I don't like such slots games.

They are dangerous and unhealthy, keeping you in the edge of your sit and you will be committed to it, since it will require you to play for a long time, spending more money and also your energy, I like whereby I will open a casino and play some slots game and get off.

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This type of game will be something that some people are looking forward to, but anything that can increase my likeness for gambling I always try to avoid them, because this is the way to lose more money and be a reckless gambler, to be a responsible gambler is to also struggle with yourself too, in terms of awareness.

The increased on the RTP is not significant when I check the game info. It just increases 0.1ish percentage per level while the max level total RTP increased is not even greater than 1%.

The only feature that makes this game interesting is the special game when you break the hive because it will give a special bonus round which you can’t get if you didn’t maxed out the level of the hive or the RTP for this game. Push gaming games has a very low RTP yet very volatile when you hit the jackpot.

Truth, I spend almost an hour just to max the level of the hive without giving me anything big after the max level. I’m just very eager to complete the level at first but I’m too tired to continue when there’s nothing to add while the bonuses becomes rare to appear. You’re right the downside of playing this game is you might get bored along the way because you will need to commit time just to max level.


The increase on RTP is just minimal. I believe the increasing RTP is just designed to make players entertained to play more due to additional goal on the aside from hitting higher multiplier. These game has a lot of mini bonus game that improves when RTP gets higher.

Exactly, even if we are in the highest level of the RTP, it does not give any guarantee of bigger wins than when we are on lower level.
I do hate this kind of slot, although I'm a fan of Push Gaming but Wild Swarm and Wild Swarm 2 are not my favorite.
I tried Wild Swarm 2 few days ago, I have not even reached the highest level after I made more than 500 spins so I decided to stop.
Pretty sure that most players who spend their money and energy playing this type of slot will be disappointed later LOL.

I have played lots of slot machines and I find it interesting this as an idea to increase the RTP while playing collecting symbols.In theory that should get more people interested in such games and personally I will give it a try and see if it gives any better benefits than other slots.No matter what the result I think that adding new elements to a slot game is paramount nowadays to be successful in the slots market.

RTP may exist or may be a psychological game for gamblers to play thr games from each provider. So far, I still don't believe that RTP really needs to be considered. Because, with high and low RTP, sometimes the results are better with the lower one. Of course, I'm just playing slots without in-depth knowledge of RTP, maybe I'm wrong. But, I agree that RTP is not a guarantee. Whether there is a live RTP or not, i don't know the difference. That maybe made me became failed slotters  :P

Rather than Max leveling which may take hours and probably burn money, I'd rather do bonus buy. I think Wild Swarm 2 on some casinos has the bonus buy feature where you can buy the 5 scatters spin, similar to "Swarm Mode." Just do it once and move on...

The increasing RTP stuff would also be addressed with Bonus Buy, many games offer better RTPs on Bonus Buys. Like 5 different bonus buy modes with 5 different RTPs, I think NoLimit City has the most collection of these kinds of games.

IMO based of my experience playing

No matter the game slot have (96% / 98% RTP), all are the same. I more like it on the (Volatility & Type Game it self) rather than to see on RTP. Seing RTP is required millions spin and is being done with research from university as well.

Rather than seeing RTP, better to see on other factor like (Type Bonus, Type Game Slot, Volatility).

There are some people who believe and believe in the RTP that casinos provide, they think that games that have a high RTP are usually good games and they play them with the hope of getting a win, while they forget that the host will of course always get a good win. It is clearer that it cannot be denied, and the factor of defeat that cannot be avoided by every gambler is true, even if they believe in the RTP, it does not rule out the possibility of them losing by gambling. Doing gambling based on a high RTP may be a strategy for winning, and I don't have a problem with that because of course it's up to each person to believe it or not.

I myself don't believe in RTP, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, what plays a role is luck. The victory obtained was probably due to luck, because I once played wanting to prove the available RTP. I tried playing a game that had a high RTP, but until the money I bet ran out it didn't give me any wins at all. and the second time I tried playing a game that had a low RTP, it resulted in a win. From here I believe that slot gambling is based on luck when it comes to winning.

I believe 90 to 97% RTP is customary for all slot machines across all providers, although I heard that there might be some slots that have 98% RTP like Unchartered Seas, Money Cart 2, and Alibaba Jackpot. But I'm not very confident about it because I haven't tried playing them, nor do I play slot machines except for Dig Dig Digger.


Long term, the casino always have the edge no matter how small. That's their business model.

The slot machines that we probably should be playing are those that have a progressive jackpot. If the jackpot is large enough, we probably will have the edge.

This slot game is interesting for those who prefer a lot of action, like leveling up, but in terms of the increasing RTP feature, I don't prefer it because it still depends on luck. You'll need a significant amount of time if you want to reach the max level and swarm mode, and, of course, a substantial bankroll is necessary. I tried the demo mode, but one hour wasn't enough. However, it's good to use a strategy, for example, start with the minimum bet until you reach the max level, then increase your bet when entering swarm mode. It can be a bit boring to wait, though.

But if higher RTP makes the edge of the casino over the user smaller, then it would absolutely make more sense to play them, no? It's better to be give an opportunity to "get lucky" in the game through entering a phase of the game with high RTP than getting no opportunity, UNLESS you could play a slot machine that will have a time-weighted average of having better RTP than the slot machines that merely "sometimes" gives you high RTP phases in the game. To use Dig Dig Digger as an illustration, it's more enjoyable to know that you will be given an opportunity to go in Diggy's Hole. 8)

Makes sense. Many folks believe that games with high RTPs offer better winning odds but let's not forget that the house always has the upper hand. Gambling involves risk and relying solely on RTP doesn't guarantee wins. I'm with you on this one that luck seems to be the driving force in slot gambling. Personal experiences often shape our views and your encounters highlight how luck outweighs RTP in actual wins. Whether someone factors in RTP or not, it's ultimately up to personal preference and experience

Well it is very logical too since a Slot with a high RTP would likely won the hearts of the players and people gonna swarmer it like a zombie haha, and yes some people would likely to stick on their usual game like live casino and other house game ex. crash mines etc. the high rtp thing probably not gonna last forever when the provide things there are enough player maybe they gonna reduce the number and people who addicted would likely still stick to the screen. Just be wise guys

well that's true, the host will always win in gambling. I think they hold this RTP by saying that the game that has the highest RTP is good, I think that's one of their tricks to be able to attract a lot of people who gamble so that they believe that they can gamble with a game that has a high RTP that can give them an easy win. I agree with you that even relying on RTP cannot guarantee you will win. and it cannot be denied that there are people who believe in RTP as a benchmark that can provide victory.

especially with slot gambling such as Gate of Olympus, Sweet Bonanza or others where casinos often provide RTP. I think I did gamble at a casino that provided RTP but I ignored it and didn't stick to it. If RTP could provide a definite win then in my opinion many people would win at gambling, and the most popular casinos are those that provide RTP in every game, but in reality it's not like that. it is still luck that will provide victory and determine victory. In my opinion, no matter how high the RTP value of the game is, if you don't have a portion of luck, you won't be able to win.

Why not gamble on dice instead? the house edge is already fix 1% or even lower, it's the best option if you're looking for a game with highest RTP.

If you stick with one game and gamble so long, you will find the difference of the return in each game. If you only gamble for few times and then switch one game to another, you won't feel any difference.

The interesting thing is, many of big wins are happen on low RTP games.

That's what I'm talking about. The classic example would be a rigged dice. Film directors like to use it in their movies to make plot more interesting, but in fact if one side of the dice is heavier than the other, it's not going to manifest itself instantly. Yes in the long run, after many months of using such a dice, it can bring some noticeable profits to the house. But who would watch such movies? :) Audience whats to see the immediate effect.

We can check the RTP before we played but we needs to understand that the RTP can change anytime even when you playing that games. You can't hopes that the games will still have a high RTP because the uncertainty on the games so you can only used the games to have fun and don't thinks about the winning. Some people who can wins the games because of the high RTP or low RTP, that is because they have their lucky when they playing the slot so they can wins some money. Some people can also wins much money because they have big lucky but not many people can gets much money.

Everyone has their own taste, so even though the dice game is guaranteed, if you don't have taste in the game then what can you do, of course we must do things that we really like first. I do it myself, when I gamble I will obviously play a game that I really like, with all the features and animations, even though my friend suggested playing another game that is more interesting I didn't do it for a long time, I tried it but it didn't work. it suited me so I returned to the game I really liked.

There is a friend of mine who gambles evenly, he uses $50 in gambling and he can try many games using the amount of money he has determined. with the lowest bet he does an automatic spin and if he doesn't get a free spin during his automatic spin he will just switch games and continue like that, in my opinion things like that are not fun, but as I said above we have different tastes so we have a choice each with the gambling carried out. It's true what you said, sometimes good games even have low RTP, I experienced that.

That's actually a good suggestion, but the regular high-low Bitcoin dice game is boring. Slots give the user a different experience especially when you go in the bonus phases where your multiplier goes up. Play Dig Dig Digger, and if you go inside "Diggy's hole" and go further inside another hole nested to another hole, you would be coming back everyday, hoping it will happen again.

But if you truly like playing dice, you should try Craps. Because winning needs more than one dice throw, it requires a strategy to play.

With the RTP increase feature, this will clearly become a game sought after by many gamblers, because what we are experiencing now is that the RTP decreases if you continue to increase the bet. The probability of winning certainly makes games like this need to be included in the watch list. I will give it a try and test how effective it is in increasing winnings. But again, is the system the same or different, because different casinos certainly won't have the same opportunities. Recently, I have become bored with slot service providers who increasingly seem less profitable. So I, who am usually only loyal to one casino, now need to try exploring to find a new provider with an RTP increase feature.

Why do you need to play on slot games that increase RTP while the potential max RTP on this slot games is still the same on the base RTP of other slot games. The progressive part on RTP is just misleading you that the game even better the more you play but in reality you will lose a lot in early games due to low RTP until you have a better RTP while you can enjoy a much a higher RTP on all of your games by playing initially on high RTP slot games.

Metawin offers a max RTP to all its slot games according to their previous announcements which you can find here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483159.msg63824122#msg63824122. Playing on Metawin will guarantee that max win is always possible since the RTP is max compared to other casino.

I'd say, even if the RTP is actually increased and it's a bit higher than the base RTP of other slot games that doesn't mean you are going to win much more. Even playing on slots with 99% RTP you can easily lose all your your balance, so be careful about that. Play only with money you can afford to lose. Don't expect making profits on slots with increased RTP.

Max win is always possible in any casino as long as the casino is trusted and as long as you have luck regardless the RTP applied by the casino.
Having higher RTP does not mean that we will have better chance to hit max win IMO, as Betwrong said previously that you may lose all your balance easily even if you play slot with highest RTP.
Some people even hit max win when the global live RTP is lower than its default RTP because they are lucky and some people lose easir when the global live RTP is 5-10x bigger than the default RTP because they have bad luck.
RTP never give any guarantee of better result so dont be fooled with RTP and make you force yourself to play more than you should.

Exactly.In order for any RTP to kick in it needs quite a big amount of spins overall and this is the case for any RTP.For example the RTP of one game may say it is near 96.03% and for this to happen,the slot to pay back 96.03% a certain number of spins,usually over 10-15 million of spins so don't expect to be winning or being deceived by slots that use this as a marketing tool to fool unsuspecting gamblers.

Absolutely agree with you. Many gamblers apparently do not realize that the RTP is very much changing during the gambling session. I do not know if all casinos follow this approach, but as far as I know RTP is usually calculated for the last million rounds.

For a better understanding, imagine that at the same slot machine plays 10 people in a row. 9 of them lose $100 and the last one wins $950. If we calculate the average RTP, it will be 95%, but if we take into account in the sample only the first three gamblers, they will be upset when they find out what was the RTP during their gaming sessions. Therefore, do not get your hopes up on RTP.

Yes you are absolutely right on this and I agree with you that however the truth is that RTP cannot be used as a reference point for us to overreact, or what it means is that RTP cannot guarantee you to end the session with a win, no matter how high the RTP percentage is in some games at the end of the day the conclusion is still very simple that you will win when you are really lucky regardless of whether the RTP percentage of the game you are playing has a high or low percentage.

The logic is that these RTP machines are created by the casinos themselves while as we know gambling is a business for the casinos whose overall aim is to benefit the house, so does it make sense that we put faith or trust in something provided by the casino that leads to increased chances of winning? I think we should have doubts because it is very possible that RTP is a kind of trap from the casino to make gamblers put their faith or also to make gamblers act more excessively, and before being honest I have also proven myself about the accuracy of this RTP which is where when the RTP is at a fairly high level but I even lose in a few trials, but when I bet on games that have low RTP the results win, and I think it is a fact that RTP does not guarantee anything at all, especially victory, this is a casino marketing strategy to get bigger profits.

My comment is based on the official statement of the casino that share this info. You can view it on the reference link that I attached. This is new to me either but I trust their words when they disclose this information in the public which as a player we don’t have any idea on the technical aspect of slot games since it’s open source. I will put some of the info below.

My statement is not base on my opinion but rather on the reference below.



My statement is simply based on the RTP alone regardless of the slot game. Since there’s already slot games set with high RTP while this increasing RTP max is just the same. I don’t get the point on pursuing a game like this that gives you a low starting RTP.

There are other gamblers who often play slot games based on the RTP. When the percentage is high, they prefer to stay in those games because some players think that the chances of them winning are high. in those games.

But for me, I don't believe in that, because if you are really lucky on the day you play, even if you play and bet, you will win for sure, and if you are unlucky, even if you play games in a casino, you will win. You won't win because you were unlucky that day.

I'll check it out later myself, but i am not sure what i think about this. I understand that goal is to hook people to play more, but when default RTP of it is 96.67% (which seems low) and it can only rise to 97.03% (if i understood the article correctly), that doens't seem like a meaningful number, especially for any casual player. I would understand the excitement if it would go as high as 98-99 in the end, but that would seem like immoral hook to me. It would be harder and harder to justify to cut your losses, if you have very slightly more changes to win if you keep on going. Even though those wouldn't be odds that would make sense to bet rest of your money on. Especially when there are constantly new slots with enchanged RTP

However, i am definitely hooked on different layers in bonus games and mostly playing because i am waiting for them to hit. (Not buying them though). Jewel Bonanza by pragmatic play for example gets quickly exciting if bonus round goes to lvl 2.

I also think that's the case, there are some gamblers who believe that a high RTP can easily win, even though in reality it's not like that, because in my opinion, if this method really works by making it easier for gamblers to win, I don't think there will be many cases of losses due to gambling. Gamblers must know the fact that the home advantage is always guaranteed to win as you said, therefore, even though the host provides an RTP, I think, that is one of their strategies to convince gamblers to gamble without hesitation.

I agree with you, indeed if we depend on RTP it cannot guarantee that we can win easily because the home advantage cannot be changed, the decisions made by the host cannot be denied. In my opinion, winning at gambling is just about luck, if we are lucky then we will win, and if we are not lucky, only defeat will happen. but maybe people who believe that RTP can give them a win because they have too much hope, so they think that with RTP they can win easily.

RTP takes into account the casino's advantage. For example, RTP = 96%, says that for every $100, the casino will take $4 for operating expenses. Whether you win or not with the remaining $96 depends on the reward distribution algorithm and just a little bit on your experience.

You shouldn't believe what you see in the game. RTP is a purely theoretical ratio. Personally, I can't imagine how you can increase something that is not guaranteed.

Yes, it is true and I have one friend who is a gambler on slot games where he always plays by making the RTP machine as a reference or simply as you said above that when the RTP percentage on one of the games is high then they will choose or stick to the game, all of this is based on their feelings and beliefs that they think the high RTP percentage will be able to increase their chances of winning closer. Honestly, I don't really know about that, but let's think with the logic that the whole gambling is to benefit the casino and on the other hand the RTP is provided by the casino itself which means it is not a very possible thing that the RTP is manipulated? I think this is a suspicion that should be in your mind, where there is a possibility that the casino makes the percentage of the game high when in fact the game's performance is very bad.

Right, I agree with you that I don't really believe in it either, because as I said above that if we think rationally using logic then I think it's something that should be suspected and not used as a reference for choosing games, in the end you will still be able to win when you are lucky, it's that simple.

That's true, I agree with what you said. Also I've seen or read that RTP is the percentage of guarantee our money is returned, and there are also people who think RTP is a good or bad benchmark for the game at that hour. I myself am not sure about the name RTP because it is impossible to win in gambling can be obtained by relying solely on RTP, because if it is true that RTP really affects then many people have gambled and won in gambling. Unfortunately it is not like that, most of them misinterpret RTP, that is, they think that RTP is a form of clue that a game is good or not.
There is no victory that can be obtained with certainty just by looking at the RTP percentage, I myself do not say that I can improve something that does not guarantee certainty, because I know that RTP is not a definite benchmark for getting a victory in the gambling that we do. RTP can not fully provide victory in gambling because it includes the tricks of the host to make sure the gamblers of the victory that can be obtained.

This is normal, because everyone has different thoughts and preferences, so there are those who believe in RTP by gambling and using RTP as a reference, like your friend, I think he is a gambler who can gamble calmly and confidently. in games that have a high RTP percentage. because in my environment there are people like this, when he gambles he looks for a game he likes that has a high RTP and when he finds it he plays it with confidence, and at the beginning of the game it is sometimes good so it makes him happy, but when the game starts to turn bad he stopped and exited then looked at the RTP again which showed the RTP was low and he thought that had an effect, I'm not sure about that myself, but that's humans, who have different thoughts and beliefs.

It's true, it's just a form of deception provided by the host, because it's impossible for it to be clear that it will definitely give us a win. If indeed we could win by relying on RTP then I myself, who doesn't believe in RTP, might believe it. but the reality is not like that. what happened to my friend who gambled completely believing in RTP and he never even got a big win during the gambling he did.

Yes, I heard about that range of number of spins too. Only after making more than 10 million spins you can expect to lose to the house $300 out of $10,000 wagered if the RTP of the game is 97%.


There's no point in that, you are right. But don't pursue games with higher RTP either. Play the games you like, the games that you enjoy playing. Don't look for for games from which you can profit, because you won't find them. You can win only because of luck, not because you are playing on a slot with higher RTP.

Is it merely a theoretical ratio? I believe it's more of an expectation. But if you're also right. If a person doesn't play slots with very high volume regularly, the difference between 96% and 98% RTP won't truly matter. It will only start to matter if you play milions of pulls per year, and if you're a long term casino player. It's probably why many regular, long term gamblers will always accept bonuses with high wagering requirements because it will help and add to their RTP.

No matter what, one cannot stay profitable in a slot game even if it has a very high RTP or an increasing RTP because at the end of the day, it's gambling and we can't expect much from it.

Slots are the most played gambling games around the world, people love slots and they spend a lot of money on them mostly because they expect high multipliers from them because slots are the only games that provide the opportunity for gamblers to hit very high multipliers, and we know how greedy gamblers tend to be, so they play slots a lot despite the fact that slots often eat up a lot of money if you don't stop at the right time.