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Hey Guys Welcome to Mickey’s late bets ! , the number one sport dictation service with proven record where innovation meets the thrill of live sports.

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This is a cool and new way of betting for the us . i know alot of people in Europe has been doing this for years .
i would say there is still risk involved due to canceling of a goal. in the game of soccer this does happen.
but i can say i have been way more profitable using late betting than gambling on parlays 100%

if you guys have any questions dont be afraid to message on telegram . i give out free trials . so you can try out service for yourself


telegram : https://t.me/mickeyslatebets

Well I'm not surprised about some of the things you said because I already have a premonition about where this is going but talking about the lines on quote, what are you really talking about ??? Of what purpose is early revealing of goals scored to gamblers before it hits the media?  I'm flummoxed really, gamblers who desire to have profit from his bet doesn't want the frivolous distractions, so how would that benefit subscribers of yours? So much questions to ask on your post.

I really prefer the thrill of watching my football matches live and I Don't see how this innovation of yours is useful or beats the tradition way we do it, I'm not saying it's not a bright idea you've got but not just to me.

And your account is quite new for anyone to trust you, we might well subscribe and you run away with the money and who knows if you can meet up to standards.

Nice try offering free trials, just not getting me.

OP are you telling us that you can be able to see a goal scored before it can be predicted. Is this some magic, superstition or what? Gamblers I think would not be able to give in to this service of yours except the desperate once who do not really understand the dynamics  and basic fundamentals or principles of gambling.

If you claim to have proven records why not state them here otherwise that is just mere words to decieve members and lastly I will advise you to be transparent enough to continue your conversation here rather than telegram because that would clear a bit doubt on your services.

Can you prove it here in our forum?

I mean, share some picks that we can all see and account if you are really winning. Honestly, I'm not easily attracted with this kind of service especially if someone who is claiming is telling us to join the telegram channel, as I know what's in the telegram.. You are already here in the biggest community in crypto (bitcointalk), so why not impress the people here first and I'm sure if you prove  it, you will easily find people to follow and subscribe your service.

What he's reffering to involves the aspect that all live games trasmited on TV have a delay of about maybe 5-10 seconds, which allows sports gambling providers to lock betting once a goal is scored.  That way people can't watch the game on TV and place a bet as soon as a goal is scored in case the provider wasn't fast enough to lock the betting.


What they are basically doing is sending someone to stadiums, live games, probably communicate via phone, and as soon as a goal is scored they inform the person on the other end to place the bet and they can take advantage of it before the provider manages to close the betting.


But in reality is that while you might get lucky and place the bets in time, the gambling provider will flag your account 100% of the times, which will open a different can of worms :).

Exactly I concur let him share with here and forget telegram evidence will speak louder than telegram, I stand to be corrected all or stated possiblity here by op if not proven can be mere speculation and deceptive, I stand to be corrected using deceptive but than can only be if evidence is provided.

       -     Gambling on Telegram Did you make a mistake in the place or platform where you did this promotion op? Because if there are community members who will play gambling, not on telegram like you are saying,.

Don't you know that most members of this forum don't believe in such gambling offers on Telegram? That's why I think you're just wasting time by posting that, because most of the people here think that gambling on Telegram is a nest of scammers.

Even if we success with this "late betting" trick, there is a big chance that we will not get the winning/void.
Also we will be KYC 100% and probably must do the highest level and still the platform might suspend the account with the balance inside.

There are many sportsbook operators/casino but there are only a few of the sportsbook providers.
Once the account got flagged, dont get surprised when the other sportsbook casino or provider already know about it.
It might work once or twice or more, but soon or later it will only bring problems.

It's normal to be doubtful as this is a subscription and we have to pay money.

The way it was promoter " free trial", at the beginning yes, but eventually when you are convince you'll eventually subscribe. I mean there's no problem with paying a subscription as long as he proved himself to be profitable. Start with games that wasn't concluded yet and see how it goes.

Subscription is least of your concern if the method of the OP works. There’s an underlying potential danger on using this kind strategy to have an advantage against the casino which is you might get link to other user that using method or worst being accused of cheating because of your frequent win.

I’m not sure if this kind tool is the reason why many user on scam accusation board have problem of sportsbook despite they are showing normal bet win but one thing is for sure that any tools that you will use to take advantage on casino games will surely cause you a problem in the future so it’s better to bet genuinely using your skills rather than relying on tools that being sold in public which casino is already possibly aware.

OP was clearly referring to sports betting and if you are a sports betting and you keep winning, a casino cannot tag you as you are cheating because you are not betting against a casino, casino here just act as a middleman which accept bets from two sides, win or lose, they'll get the commision.

The worst thing they can do to is to limit us because we are winning,,,the question whether we are cheting or not is irrelevant to sports betting.

        -   You will give a free trial, and then at the end, you will offer an investment offer there on Telegram, right? Am I correct? It's impossible because you won't put effort into making a post here in this platform section if your only intention is to find prospects just for the free trial. I doubt that's your reason.
 
That's why it's so sad that you're using this marketing strategy that's useless. To be honest, I hope no other communities here will try what you're sharing. Sorry, but it looks like you'll have a hard time getting investors to believe what you're saying.

What this is, is a scam perpetrated by the need to make money out of thin air and the need to control how other people thinks. Prediction is probably the best thing that any human can do when it comes to this kind of things, anything beyond that like foresight and clairvoyance is just a different thing altogether and it's borderline supernatural or out of this world. There's no stating of records because there's nothing really, it's not going to be appearing anytime soon, no tickets with the correct predictions just BS out of thin air in the hopes that they can get some clients to pay for their service, that free trial might look attractive but I'm telling you that once you're in too deep with that one, it's going to be hard to get out, there's a catch in this shady free trials.

How effective is this really? I mean there are a lot of other sources to watch sports
and they have different times of how fast they can deliver the news to you.
Most of the time it’s just televisions with delays. It also depends a lot on a better’s
internet connection even the country he is in plays a huge part.

Kinda seems an unnecessary subscription for me

That's a good question there; the problem is that there is no guarantee that was said and shown in that matter. Then the difficult thing is that there is a telegram, as it is very difficult to trust them, especially if you withdraw money just because of the dictation that the assigned person will say on the telegram channel that OP says.

If so, it looks like you made a mistake when you did this, thinking that you will get a lot of potential investors who will come in with what you are offering.

This must be the awareness that not all the time we need to win but yes we can not deny that we want to win in order to have a good profit but using such tools to win it's too risky cause like what you said mate there's a chance that casino will accuse you as a cheater and that's a bad thing. Anyways we should try our luck and that's the best way to gamble. If we will win then that's a good thing but if we loss then that's a good thing too at least our account is safe as long as we follow the rules and regulations of a casino.

We have our freedom to choose either to avail or not. Availing one might not be necessary if you are winning in sports betting, but if you are desperate enough to win because you had sorted all necessary stategies but it's still not working for you, then you might want to try this.

However, there's still a question on how legitimate the offer is, because claiming that they are profitable is easy than proving it, and if they can prove, they can do it anywhere even in this platform so it's not necessary anymore to join the telegram channel they organized.

You’re clearly don’t understand the point of my last remark. Using this tool assuming it’s legit will make you connected to other user that using same method since you are betting on same matches which this OP being broadcast. This method will give you an advantage of knowing the result in advance even if there’s a minor delay.

Casino will surely watch you closely together with all the user using same service if you are winning frequently because of your same pattern of betting and frequently winning. Bookmaker can track all the players that placing bet even from different casino. This is the underlying problem I’m talking about when I brought up frequent winning and not just the regular frequent winning because I myself win frequently using regular bets without encountering any problem so I get your point but not as reply to my comment.

Besides are you aware that arbitrage betting is not allowed because you clearly describing this method as safe and ok with the casino which is NOT.

If this seem to be true, then consider the time it will take to reach the last categories  on the chain structure  which will  definitely  be the subscribers or every other followers following  the prediction

Besides, you already added  "getting  account flagged" and this is 100 percent  accurate, If a users managed to place such bets and it goes through the time interval  will be somehow minute to locking  of the bet.
It might be forgone in First attempt  but definitely  not the second so it somehow not worth it IMO

The point here is that the service offered by OP is that they are the team that will make a commentary on the actual game that might have a delay in live TV... And personally, I don't think it's something illegal, and if it's not illegal, then the casino has no right to investigate or hold our winnings.

This is clearly just a lapses on the part of the bookmakers, bettors sees that lapses and taken it as an opportunity to make money, so if they can't correcct that lapses on their part, they will continue losing but they can't confiscate and freeze the funds of the bettors even if they have the same pattern.

Thing is, this is sports betting, like I emphasize, there's two teams in the game,  you can only choose one side, and if you are on the right side, you'll be profitable. Bookies will not loss by the way as they are just a facilitator, and the the line movement will fix the odds to create balance on both sides.



But this is not arbitrage betting.... Even so, arbitrage betting is not illegal and therefore should be allowed.  However if the bookies have their rules to disallow it, they can do so since it's their rules, but there's always a counter on that if you are a smart bettor, you can use two different bookies to make it work.

You should stop arguing and read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488657.msg63803468#msg63803468

You clearly don’t know much about the sportsbook rules probably you didn’t gamble much or doesn’t pay attention on scam accusation board which most of this kind of issue being discussed . Kirito is an official representative of Duckdice.io. He already makes a note that using this service will flag your account 100%. Quoting his post below.

I read that, and I used that as a basis of my opinion, and stand on it, unless you prove me wrong by answering my question at the bottom>


Okay then, if you really know the rules of a sportsbook. Would you be kind to let me know what rules the service of OP is violating?

Please be specific and don't make assumptions....

Are you seriously still arguing after reading the whole post of @Kirito89? FYI again he is working directly with Duckdice.io with sportsbook which means they literally don’t allowed this method. This is not an assumption but a fact coming from the operator itself. We are lucky that we have this kind of user giving us real wisdom about casino matters.

You seem like don’t understand anything on our conversation. This is my last time answering to your gullible inquiry. You should have time to read the ToS because they don’t specifically mention a forbidden method but they always have a general terms avoid exploiting vulnerabilities which is like this method.

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I will not gonna argue anymore and just keep doing whatever you want if you are really betting on sportsbook. Goodluck dude.

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@kirito89 let this guy try this method on your sportsbook.  :D

I'm just trying to get some information here that coudl help me or others to get educated about this. Maybe i like to see @Kirito89 explain about this as your explanation does not satisfy me. No offense mate, let's consider this a healthy argument as that would make the forum better, right?

Or you don't understand me too. Either one of us does not want to understand what one is talking about.


General terms has to be detailed or specific as you can't take that argument in the court, and sometimes, casinos could use that to exploit gamblers too (we should protect gamblers too). I'm against illegal way to win in gambling ( BTW, to make it illegal, there should be a law or rules regarding to that, specific)... but I just don't see that the kind of vulnerability you are talking that a casino could easily prove, a mere suspicion is not enough to freeze an account and will not release the funds.

Well, casinos could freeze an account without any reason related to their TOS if they would hate you, but they should give you the money unless they prove you have violated something that requires your funds to be confiscated.

What I understand about "casino or sportsbook vulnerability" is related to its program or security, where a user has abused it. Maybe we can include abuse of bonus as well. But someone put a bet because he got tips and win, that's not illegal, and it's hard to proved that in the court of law.

Whay I talk about the court of law? Because when two parties does not agree, they need to be settled by a 3rd party, which is the court of law and the casino could not use a "mere suspicion" or pattern of betting as a solid evidence. 

This is just another of those shady services that screams 'SCAM'. Why the heck wouldn't op just use this particular strategy to earn bank since he stands to earn more by not sharing it with others?

Also, it's possible to technically place these late bets successfully, but it's extremely difficult to execute it on a consistent basis. Avoid!

When I read what the person posted and understood what it was about, I confess that I couldn't stop laughing, because I started to think how it would be possible for someone to have many people in several football fields who would watch the games live and then a goal would be scored. they informed the op very quickly so that it would give the op time to place a bet. For these schemes to work, there would have to be many people in many fields and they would have to be people with the speed of light or sound, people very quick on their fingers capable of betting as soon as they saw the goal, and in my opinion that is not possible. Even if TV channels have delays, even if casinos have delays, this delay is very short. As soon as a goal hits the field, it doesn't take many minutes for bookmakers to block betting options

until they confirm the goal and recalculate the odd values, then it is a scheme that does not make sense to continue doing, not to mention that this should be considered cheating. If a person has already seen the result of the game before the bookmaker and that person places a bet on that game in which he knows the result, then that is cheating. This op scheme is similar to a fixed match, in both cases they should be considered cheating. I'm wondering why a person who keeps doing this type of scheme, which in my opinion is a big scam, keeps publishing on a public forum that he keeps doing this type of thing, if he makes money this way, why does he need to talk about it on a public forum?


Why do you need to talk about this here? human nature shows that when people have a way of making money that is not a good way or is not legal or breaks the rules, the tendency is for the person to make money in silence and not publicize their scheme, so that other people Don't copy and at the end of the day the scheme is discovered and stopped, so why didn't you keep making money silently with your scheme? My suspicion is that you know that it is a scheme that does not work, so you will trick other people into paying for this scheme and thus make money thanks to other people.

I would not have much problems getting a genuinely free trial, particularly if the guy here is trying to test if he can deliver a good service - something people may be willing to eventually pay for. This is not very different from many people on youtube, but I think is even less likely to end up as scam than those showing a false track record of investment or advice so common in other platforms.

When we are winning, we have money and it's not a problem anymore for us to join a premium group and the reason for doing is because they might know something that we don't know and that makes us to increase our winning percentage but for those who can't win anything on their own, maybe they don't try their best yet?

You know on doing an analysis, and others that can help them improve their chances. They better focus on it first and besides, they are still low in money due to much losses, although there are also free groups out there in which may also perform nicely but before anything else, investigating their legitimacy is the thing that we should do first.

But OP's offer does not involve a lot of analysis, rather than just a pure trust on their group that whatever they'll say are going to happen. The point is, it's called dictation because they are seeing the actual game that are delayed in live tv ( or we could use a delayed telecast), and you can take advantage on it.

Now, you just have to evaluate if you are willing to risk on that offer and hope you'll profit, but for sure in the long run as this trend gets more popular, bookies will be able to make an adjustment and this might not anymore work.

hey sorry for the late reply . the way how this would be beneficial would be that you would be able to bet one a goal that hasnt scored yet . so you would place the bet for 2nd team to score . and as soon as it happens in real life , you would hear it on the voice stream on our discord , then you would make the bet and it would go through , this can only happen because we scout the matches for slow umpires and outdated equipment 

To have more impact you should do a few tests of what you predict and bet on it, this way you will have more credibility, it is also likely that your child will be seen as a kind of offer or service, so you have to delimit it very well to what is the games refer, but I recommend that you do everything you can to put everything here, not on telegram, regularly on telegram I have had bad experiences with people who want to take advantage of things or ignorance occasionally, that's why if you put here everything in detail it is likely that they will see you in a better light, or if your idea is to share some predictions and have a good debate, well that is something that I would like much more, it is up to you what you want to offer, because if it is A thread of discussion and Predictions is not bad because it makes many people's opinions regarding betting worse.

and yes i can prove it you ! . its free for the rest of the month so u can check it out by yourself ! . i would send images here but im still new
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This guy contacted me for my service of Courtsiding (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472922.msg63995406#msg63995406)

He asked for a free game. It was in February. I drove to a game, all the people were listening and betting, he said he only has a bet365 account and the game is not live.

When I showed him the game, he said it is not live in his specific country. Also he said he does not have any bookie so the match is not good for him.

After that when I was informing him about the game, always he wanted to first ”try it”.

On 29 of March he were asking me for possibility if ”hiring” me to dictate for him and his ”friends”. Of course I have declined it.

This guy never had 100 EUR to do it properly and are talking here about business  ;D

My telegram is @mmbearr. I do not intermediate anything, I drive myself to all the venues.

Ah lol, I knew it - most of services like this are mostly run by troubled person.
They do this not because they are good and pro on sports but because they are also broke and need money to gamble.
If they always win, why bother to selling this service.

Seems nothing out of the ordinary to be honest. A Telegram channel that is supposedly going to give you more accurate predictions and insights that you'd normally get fro m free sources? It think that people will only pay if it is terribly good at it and even in that case many people bet trying themselves to get their own strategies, copying is not as fun as diy for gambling.

They don't need to gamble if they are making money from this offer. It's a risk free for them as when you subscribed you'll just pay for the fee and you get the information you want, question is, how reliable the information is. Nowadays, with the sportsbookes or odds makers uses more sophisticated tools to prevent this thing or any lapses that can be abuse by certain people, so it's quite doubltful if OP had really succeeded on this or it's just a false promise.

pay attention, because even if they are offering as "free service" in case they provide "valid" result they can request a tip.
Yes sure it's a free donation and no more... anyone that has the chance to use such service will be multi-billionaire in a matter of months. of course you will make much more money with gambling and not selling as a service.

Moreover, football is one the worst sport were you can apply such game...(imagine VAR decide to void a goal ::) ) there is something similar for tennis game but is not advertised and restricted group are using like a real job, following matches around the world.

Some gambling site have precautions against these kind of betting approach: closing the market when in doubts or just waiting 10/15 seconds before the bet. Well a service like this it's completely useless for end user.....

 -   It looks like this service you mentioned in the telegram you gave here. I think this marketing strategy didn't work. Your telegram is closed, and from the beginning, you know that most communities here will not really believe what you say.

That's why it's really better that we play sports in casino gambling here in the crypto industry than in telegrams that are often only scammers, although I don't blame them all.

For sure all of the information they shared is questionable since if they can hit those accurate information that can help a gambler to win then provably that they will not share their methods used. Only those shady person claiming something outrageous and those people read this should start to doubt on the service they are trying to offer. More better for people to stop trying to look after those what they called expert prediction or anything they call that since usually the random person offering this are trying to take advantage those greedy bettors who want to win and they are perfect target to those scammers to scam. People should stop listening on false promises but rather they should do a research.

This method focuses on the delay of broadcast of televised available for streaming. They usually watch live games and use a phone call to bettors if there’s a changes on score while sportsbook details is not yet updated based on the live events due to this delay. So the information is guaranteed legit if this service is real.

The only problem on this method is the bookmaker can easily spot users that using this method since the bets will shows a split seconds difference when placed before they update the odds so most probably the profit will be seized if it’s the product purely of this method.

We have seen similar threads on the forum a few times, but none lasted long. Basically, everything comes down to one thing, you race with the sports providers... someone tells you that a goal has been scored in a game and you have a short time to bet on that goal before the casino locks that moment. In theory, this sounds possible, but when it comes to reality, it's certainly not that easy... You're racing against time, and the casino can punish you if you constantly bet on a "goal" a few seconds before the goal itself, that's easy to spot. It is not a strategy that can last forever.

And a guy who "sells" these tips will earn money for sure... you pay him, and he doesn't care if you are not fast enough or get banned from some casino while you have some money there.

OP hasn't been active for a month now, this thread was just for announcement and he does not intend to answer all the querries here, that's a sign of a shady service. He claimed that they are in a live stadium and sees what's happening before the sportsbook could react, so why can't they just put a bet on their information so it will not be suspicious? When lots of people subscribed and they bet on the same time with the same pattern, sportsbook will look into it and I think they have this association or group to prevent gamblers from cheating the casino.

The bigger question is, have anyone been able to actually try this service and recorded any success rate, because from what I have observed it look so untrustworthy to promote such third party betting platform reason is that, none of such platform have ever been able to give such service and proved winning  rate through that service.

Most of us already know how betting works and for that we won't be in any convincing position when such betting service is being mentioned.

I wonder how many people here have ever used a "dictation" system on-line and just by subscription, it is a nit out of the ordinary to just on that type of wagon. However it is quite more common to have that "physical", like the typical guy who seem to be in the know of horse racing events and can potentially give you a tip, for your tip of course. Perhaps knowing in person beats the online on this.

I quite understand your plight, but it is not particularly true. The fact that an expert understands a thing and earns from it doesn't mean the expert can't still broadcast it. Some may keep it to themselves and earn alone through it, while others may want to commercialise what they know even as they make more money separately from it. This means two means of earning for them, and what many are not taking seriously which is the commercial ones may be earning more for the gambler in some cases. Your consideration has been happening in the financial market prediction for long, so I quite understand this, but people are different.

What I will advise anyone to do is to first go for the free trial the guy offers, after all, you are not paying a dime for it. And if he changed his claims and asked for the money, you should just excuse yourself from his channel. We cannot always be commenting or faulting what we have never tested, we are not perfect, and what if he is right? For the casino bettings, I know 100% that it will fail. But for sports betting, I am still 50% in my belief that there are some spectacular predictors, but how do you know if you never give them the benefit of the doubt to at least try them?