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I recently play this provider without the use of VPN on Stake.com that’s why I kinda become addicted on this provider. I frequently purchased bonus buy worth 20$ for a minimum bet but the usual profit I can get is just x2 of my buy bonus while I’m frequently lose my bonus buy.

I’m pondering why many user keep using Pragmatic Play especially the bonus buy feature while it’s expensive and the return is not that high considering the max win is very small compared to other provider like push gaming that offers much higher max win.

I admit that Pragmatic games is really cool to play due to graphics but winning wise, I don’t really like it since there’s no 0.1$ minimum bet.

Some pragmatic games has $0.1 minimum bet, you can check those games with "Big bass" name.
Or you can simply change the currency into IDR, so you will be able to bet with 200IDR as the lowest minimum bet which is worth about $0.013
With IDR as the currency, you will be able to buy a bonus with $1.3 only if you set the base bet at 200IDR which is almost 20x cheaper than when you use USD as the currency.

The max win is lower but in most cases it is easier to hit the max win compared to other providers.
I myself experienced max win in few different pragmatic games such as Madame Destiniy Megaways, Fruit Party, and Buffalo King Megaways.
Only luck that will give you max win and I have to say that some times Pragmatic games can be very wild (continuous bad result even with bonus buy) but it can be very friendly at the other time when the luck smiles at you.

Well, simple people or gamblers are easily entertained and addicted to something cool or pleasing to their eyes sometimes bonus play are very attractive in a sense that an website or casino website are flagging their bonuses as this will be the primary way of attracting and inviting new customers in their website and of course as you notice bonus play may look like cheap and has a lot of benefits but if you will be more practical and observant then you will see that bonus plays are nothing good as regular plays and of course bonus plays sometimes or more on losing game because it is a bonus you will not expect that you will win right away using bonus plays, in short this is just a way or feature for them to attract other gamblers. So think before you spend most of your money on bonuses, because it is not worth it at times.

No, I don't think that the Pragmatic play's bonus buy is worth it at all. It's just waste of your funds and nothing else.

It's only worth it if your luck favors you in those games but if your luck is not favoring you with Pragmatic Play games then buying of box is waste of money.

That's the same with my reason. I don't like their games because the minimum is way too high for me. $0.1 is my only budget for every round. ;D

Anyway, about the "buy bonus" feature. I don't do this. I let the system see how much I am losing so that they also know how much they should give back whenever the RTP is happening. IMO, buying a bonus might cause chaos to that rhythm and there's a chance we are going to be rekt faster by this kind of strategy.
Even the other features like doubling the multiplier or enhancing the chance of the bonus image to come, I don't do it. In the past, I happened to see one gambler's chat saying he stopped buying bonuses and he said it's better than taking your chances on that expensive bonus. I watched Eddie too when giving out prizes through bonus plays, you can see there that he mostly spent more than what the slots will give to him.

Well, let me just say that it totally depends on what someone wants, personally, I don't like to play slot games for winning money sake or purposes, because this can really disappoint a gambler when he or she least expect it, but rather, I like to play slot games for fun only, and because of this, I have never bother myself with the buying of bonus and all that, I just play with any amount I know I can afford to lose, and if by the end of the day, if I profit, I rejoice, but if I lose, I am still cool since I wasn't even expecting much from the game aside just having fun while passing time.

Pragmatic play games does have some really good graphics and all that, but for those who are playing to make money, good graphic is not what pays the money, it's winning the game, and if you choose good graphics over winning, then it simply means you were never ready to win money in the first place.
So, going by this, someone who is really wanting to make money from slot game can buy the bonus from other game providers and avoid pragmatic games; if theirs are too expensive and doesn't give out good profit, like I said before, I've never bought a bonus from slot games before, and never will i, so, if as a slot player, making money is your priority, then just buy the bonuses from another provider and leave pragmatic.

Bonus buy on every slot is not the real way to play slot games for me because you are missing the fun of the excitement per spin hoping that you will hit the bonus round with just few spin. I never play pragmatic frequently because I can’t access this provider on all the casino I’m playing.

I just watch this games on streamers that keeps using bonus feature with high amount. They usually end up on big loss and big win usually just for breakeven but still they use it on highlights video as if they are really on profit side.  :D

Pragmatic or any provider for that matter make bonus buys available as a method to earn more money. Really it doesn't improve profit chances and potentially makes it even worse on some cases. Really the issue with these things is that if they increased chances to profit people would use them all the time and of course providers don't want that. It's equal or a little worse RTP rather than normal spins. The issue is that with slots 99% of the time there's little to no transparency so you can't know what's true for sure. The game isn't provably fair and the chances for bonus buys aren't usually specified.

So if you want to play some slots with knowing everything about the odds, you can try to find probably fair slots games like the couple of ones in Stake originals.

I don’t like big bass games that’s why I never check one of this game. I never thought Pragmatic has 0.1$ bet. I’m not familiar with this currency but I rarely use other currency except USDT but now that you mention it, I just notice that Stake have Php currency too which I’m not aware. Thanks for pointing out the fiat currency.



Good for you but in my case I never meet luck on this provider ever since. I think I never hit multiplier greater than x1000 despite I already burn more than 1K on this provider ever since I start playing this provider.  :'(

I think it still depends on the chance that you have because it's always going to be a problem if you always do it and expect a return. It's still about luck and you need to know that it's never going to be a straight forward thing and you could lose everything in one wrong move or an unlucky chance. Most of the bonuses are tempting but I believe you won't get the winning code or something there. It's always about chance.

What have you done OP?

Personally I play them a lot as the ex provider who used to give us what I would call a very often max win in their slots compared to the other providers,this is long gone now and it looks like often max wins are a thing of the past.

While for their bonus I play them a lot but I use IDR as currency and I can buy the bonus with just 1.25 dollars allowing me to try my luck a lot of times,yet not successfully winning anything big from quite some time now.

I personally don't get the appeal. Those bonuses are going to be same that you get with fraction of that $20 if you are lucky in normal games. Paying for that bonus means accepting that you would have lost that $20 in normal game wiithout getting a bonus. I guess i am an optimist when i don't automatically think that.

So, yeah, bonus rounds prizes can be larger but when we willingly pay more of it, instead trusting our luck for getting it sooner in normal game. Cost for it is fixed too high for me, and  change to win / bet cost ratio isn't just worth the risk for me.

Also with normal games you can also win normal way so when bonus round hits in normal session it's literally just a bonus money to your winnings, hence the name bonus. So you get something worth for your initial bet once in a while.

And while it sometimes seems it will never hit, it has also hit multiple times with one lucky session for me. Sometimes they aren't bringing that much money, but then i just thank god i didn't skip the fun normal rounds and i didn't pay extra for it (unless you count playing normal games for paying extra. I don't).

I will agree with your assumption and opinion here that the purchase of bonus features in pragmatic really does not match the capital we have spent to buy it, but maybe I will not say that the results of purchasing bonus features are always bad because sometimes I have gotten a pretty good win like the equivalent of 5x - 10x the purchase price of the bonus, but yes it really is very rare and usually the return is barely half the cost of buying the bonus feature.

I am also one of the gamblers who likes slot games and indeed I often play on several games provided at pragmatic play but I don't like the name of the bonus purchase because I more often experience disappointment because the spin in the bonus is so bad that I often end the session too quickly because I run out of funds. Yes it's true that the outcome of buying bonuses is really down to luck that sometimes you can get max win if you're lucky but it's very difficult to be in that situation and also everyone never knows when they might get lucky.

Which Pragmatic games you played mostly? I dont want to hear that you play Sweet Bonanza most of the time LOL.
Burning $1k in Pragmatic games but never hit more than 1000x is really a bad luck, I'm sure you should have at least hit it once without bonus buy as long as you choose the best game with the best hit frequency.
I would like to suggest you to play Pragmatic games with 5000x max win as what I have mentioned above and some others such as Gates of Olympus, Starlight Princess, Sugar Rush, etc because the chance to hit max win is better than those with bigger max win.
My biggest multiplier on Pragmatic games is 8947x (close enough to the max multiplier) and I hit it last month when I tried their new game namely Pompeii Megareels as you can read and check the replay here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249415.msg63682923#msg63682923

Something is definitely happening with Pragmatic, in a good way for us who like to play this provider, I can play them in some casinos I couldn't before. I like Pragmatic, and I am more for normal spins but I have moments when I get into a "bonus buying state of mind"... it's something special, and it's hard to control it once I start with that.

We had similar threads before, and it's not about does Pragmatic bonus buys really worth it, the question is whether it's worth buying bonuses from any provider. My answer to this question is that bonus buying is worth it if someone wants more excitement and fun, but as for the actual earnings, it's just a matter of the moment and your luck factor at that moment. I guess we can say that the ultimate thing about playing slots is winning the bonus round and getting the chance for some higher payout, so buying the bonus round is like a shortcut... but that shortcut is just more expensive.

I have many bonus buys behind me... and my thread The worst slot provider ever? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476541.msg63269654#msg63269654) is about that (more or less). I had many x0 bonus payouts, with normal spins and bonus buys, from all providers. But in my case, Hacksaw, Wazdan, and NoLimit are leading the race by far with under x10 payouts after buying bonuses. I had 5-10 bonus buys in a row with those payouts... so you can imagine that I busted my bankroll more than once.

But I had some great hits as well... after all, we are talking about slots here, there are no guarantees, it's all about luck. We can play with normal spins or we can buy bonus rounds, but if it's not "our" moment we will probably end up on a loser side.

The same question also applies as well to other game providers.

Being worth it or not can only be seen in the result. It's not about being the "Pragmatic Play" but users purchasing the buy feature should understand and realize that the purpose of buying it is to skip the manual betting and wait for long for the bonus feature to come.

P.S. I don't like to play PP games on Stake because of the high minimum bet amount. I usually play PP games on local online fiat casinos because of the user-friendly minimum bet amount. I just wonder what's the basis for why the minimum bet amount is different on other gambling sites on the same game.

Agree with you.

Bonus purchases at Pragmatic Play are not as rewarding, I experienced where purchasing 3x bonuses was never profitable often did not return capital to $20 as a minimum bonus purchase.

I prefer regular spins that expect to get free spins this is also actually not easy it takes a lot of spins to get it, sometimes if you are lucky you can get it, if you are unlucky then it will be difficult to get.

Moreover, you play Gate of Olympus with buy bonuses in the hope of high returns sometimes here are more disappointed often experienced but somehow pragmatic play is always a favorite game even though buy bonuses are always unprofitable.

It is clear that the max win is very small, only a few times winning with the rest of the max has not lost until now, but honestly Pragmatic has always been a favorite even though the buy bonus is high compared to others.

Is that pragmatic really popular, it's the first time I read it here being talked about.

Ironic they call it Pragmatic. But it's always the case when users are not winning and then it's not worth the time. The casino is very effective if you enjoy the game just because of the graphics. Despite not winning, users seem to be frequently buying the bonus. Well, I guess this is what they always say about gambling as entertainment, even if you are not winning, you play because you are entertained.  ;D

“Bonus Buy” isn't a wise decision, but as long as you have luck, it will create more profit than just waiting for the “Scatter” to come or hoping for a good session outside of the “Bonus Buy”. Regarding the small "Max Win", it depends on the game you play, if you mean Gates of Olympus, it will only give you 5000x, but there are also games on this provider that have 15,000x like Zeus Vs Hades.


You're wrong if you say the minimum bet at the Pragmatic Play provider is $0.2, meaning you haven't explored all the games there, you can try Christmas Big Bass Bonanza, they have a minimum bet of $0.1 and several other games that I forgot the names of. Apart from that, since you play on Stake and if you're not from the US, you can choose your own preference to your local currency, for example for those of us who play from Indonesia, it will make the minimum bet to IDR 200 or the equivalent of $0.013 per spin.

But it is undeniable that because of the cheaper bet price and in some games the visualization is quite tempting, it makes a lot of gamblers or those who like slots are in pragmatic play than others.
I personally do that even though in terms of profit, pragmatic play also sometimes gives prizes from purchases that are not even too commensurate but because thinking about cheaper purchase options and good visualization is precisely what makes us complacent in the end and cannot escape pragmatic play which is the first choice for slot games.

Regardless of whether it's throwing money away or not in the end the pleasure of cheaper bet prices is the main choice again in this case that makes them popular.

I don't really play slots so I won't tell you much about my win/lose experience, but I can tell you that the bonus indeed is not worth it.
I know pragmatic games, I've seen a couple of them. They feel like any other typical fun game you can play on your phone with sparkling diamonds, puzzles and flashing lights. The graphics look decent, but it really looks like what devs of android games are producing in large numbers. Graphics look like like they're all done by the the same artist, but if you like their style, keep playing.
I usually lose at slots so you won't find me putting more money into this ;)

If you want to see bonus buy is worth not.

You should make some test first for the section you are playing with normal spin, (Bonus Buy) cost = 100x Normal Spin. If more than 150 (Spin) you still not getting any bonus and want to play that slot.

Bonus buy, is one of the recommendation. Basically just for a cut your spent money in normal spin to avoid more losses due not getting any bonus, because we have two section (Hot & Cold).

The method is a little different to get the low bet feature (as low as $0.1 you said). If you play in USD then usually the minimum bet value is $0.2... however if you change the currency to IDR (Indonesian Rupiah) it will allow users to bet the minimum amount possible up to IDR 200 or the equivalent of $0.013

To make your dream come true with the small betting amount you mean, the correct IDR - USD conversion value is IDR 1500 which will be equivalent to $0.1

I often play in shuffle for IDR currency because I am chasing a bigger multiplier (a stupid hope with a small bet value but the maximum possible profit). And this is enough to make me more comfortable playing pragmatic slots there.

You are lucky if you get x2 from bonus buys, sometimes not just pragmatic but there are game that will not really give me something even if I buy like $40, last two games that I take advantage, it gave like like less than $10 not once but twice. But prior to that, it at least gave me x2 experience. But it just shows how slots are, very unpredictable results. So it could be not worth it, and just play the normal spins and see how it goes for you. Of course, with this feature, it's instant activation for gamblers. Maybe for some of us, we wanted to take this risk and see how our luck goes. So still a risk, instead of doing just the base spin that might take 100 or higher just to get the bonus rounds.

It's frustrating when you don't get what you expected, especially burning through $1K without a big win. Ouch! Slot games are games of chance, and the outcomes are largely dependent on luck.

Bonus buys may be quicker, but statistically, they have the same payout rate as triggering the bonus naturally. They can be a good way to target the bonus round if you enjoy that aspect of the game, but they come with a premium cost.

Pragmatic Play is an enjoyable provider with great graphics, but bonus buys entail a high-risk strategy. While they may offer higher maximum wins, they might also have a lower probability of achieving those maximum wins.

If you're not enjoying a particular provider or game, there's no harm in trying out others. There are plenty of options available, and who knows, you might discover your new favorite game.

If this is your first time heard about Pragmatic, maybe you are not playing slots too much or maybe because Pragmatic is not available to be played from your IP. It is a provider that you will find almost in all online casinos (not only crypto but also fiat) so it is popular provider.


Quite normal if you ask me, you can experience even worst case when you get no profit at all in several buy bonus in a row. Buying bonus is not a guarantee to have bigger chance of winning, this feature is just to make players faster to hit bonus round but need to spend more money for it. Worth or not will always depending on our own result, because it may give us big win after few tries then we can call it worth but it cant be something worth when we get no good result after several tries.

It's the same for me, I prefer to play games with smaller minimum size bets, because it means I can gamble longer and place more bets for my bankroll. Having the option to place micro bets might not be as profitable for the casino, but it  helps the gamblers that only have a small bankroll to gamble with. When it comes to bonus play I find that it shouldn't be our main goal. At least for me the bonus play was always a nice addition to a game, without making a huge difference. Especially when playing slots I used to focus on the games where I could win the most bonus spins, even though my winnings didn't really increase from it. In the end we need to look at our casino games as a whole, including all the bonuses and compare it to other games we play. If we are more profitable playing other games than it doesn''t make much sense to focus on pragmatic play. You seem to compare games across many different casinos, why are you not playing the one that is best suited for you?

Pragmatic is one of the slot providers that in my opinion has fairly low minimum bet amount and many of my favorite types of games are pragmatic providers because there is some belief that large multipliers can come out more often.
But slots are game that drains money very quickly, especially if make bonus purchases too often which will only result in losses too often that actually lose more than 50% of the money on purchases.
But in games with pragmatic providers, we actually don't need to buy bonuses too often because in pragmatic slot games for normal rounds we can increase the chances of getting scatters or free spins by turning on double chance.
This is not guarantee but it does increase the chances that we can enjoy free spins.

There are certain conditions for making bonus purchases, I myself usually make bonus purchases after getting free spins and I do this if the free spins cannot provide commensurate amount of profit.
It just that it is not recommended to make too many bonus purchases if only have relatively limited finances.

ROI from the bonus buy may not always be worth it for everyone. Always consider how much is the bonus buy, the potential profit, and the likelihood of winning before deciding if you want to buy this kind of feature. I personally recommend playing on Push Gaming, they have higher maximum wins and better ROI. Still, it's up to your preferences if bonus buy is worth it for you.

Currently, lots of people like to gamble online, and one of the popular games is the pragmatic one, because I think what's interesting is that if we are lucky then there is a big multiplier that can be obtained, even with the lowest bet we buy. free spins feature to get several free spins. What often happens is that what you get and what you spend is not balanced, but if you are lucky then it is possible to get a max win like my friend who only used a certain amount of money just enough to buy the free spins feature, and He didn't think much and immediately bought it so that luck was on his side and gave him the maximum win with the lowest bet amount.

I think that with the free spins feature that you have to buy, 99% of the time it will only end or produce inappropriate or unsatisfying results, it is very rare for people to get big wins by just buying this feature. but if we really have luck then we could get that big win but no one knows when luck will be on our side and how long it will last.

Still, luck has a big role to play in bonus buying.

You gonna love it when the luck of pragmatic smiles back at you, but if luck isn't on your side you will be left with some regrets, even if you have bonuses it doesn't guarantee that you will get the best results that you are looking for.

Bonus is just a way to entice people, it all depends on what happens next, I like pragmatic play because it's more fun and good looking but the bonus buy can't always work well for you, my advice is still the same old gambling warnings.

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Do not chase bonuses unless you really can afford it, I mean if losses do happen you should not care or be in any pain, this is how you know if you really can afford something or not, don't copy someone else because you won't know what they can afford or not.

Someone very close blew over $800 on Gates of Olympus and one other, it was a very painful experience and also a eye opening event for him, because I did warned him to use a big amount on any form of gambling.

Pragmatic Play is so volatile and your smart ass won't do you any good in this field, you can only count on your luck and make sure it's at home when you need it the most.

Every gambling Is gambling, know this and know peace, do not run after bonuses and others, it makes no difference, you will still lose money, all you have to do is make sure that your losses won't be much enough to take your life from you, gamble responsibly.

If your goal is to have fun, then it's best for you. However, if you want to profit, then I would say this is not good for you as it has a house edge. I mean, even if the bonus are very attractive, you still lose. Bonus are to entice gamblers, but they don't give money, they know that once you play the edge is still on them, so at the end of the day you'll lose. Slots and other online gambling games with house edge will make you lose in the long run, that''s what house edge can do.

From personal experience, I would rather to Buy Bonus in slot games from other providers than Pragmatic.
I prefer to do a Bonus Hunt in pragmatic games, after getting between 10-15 bonuses in different games - open all the bonuses and hope to get a decent multiplier of some of these bonuses.

Well in my country as far as I know Pragmatic Play games are one of the best selling games regardless of the site, but I don't know for other countries. There are many local influencers who stream Pramgatic games on several social networks, for example YT. like you said, this game is very easy to understand, yeah the Pargamatic Play game is quite cool, one of which is because of the graphics. Likewise, I like Pragmatic's games. Some of these games are still very popular today, and often become a hot topic among my circle. Well, referring to what you said, regarding bonus purchases. or, buy free spins. This game sometimes results in unsatisfactory results, what's even worse is that we don't get any profits, we don't even get our money back in full. Sometimes, this is where we often get carried away by emotions of annoyance and mixed with anger. and to be honest, I rarely play games on other providers. So, I don't really understand the games from several other providers. Even though it's actually easy to understand, it's our habits that bring us back to the same game.

For me, Pragmatic Play's max win is quite okay. It's just that getting it is quite difficult. Maybe because there are many people playing the same game, I don't know, I don't understand how and the mechanism of the system works. but what you say in this thread, so is our experience. because of that, I rarely buy free spins. I just play normal games, while waiting for sports bets that I like more. But not infrequently, even though I'm just playing for fun, I've gotten several max wins from free spins without buying them. This is also one of the feature options provided by Pramgatic Play. and the most important thing for us to know, the risk of losing playing slots is quite large. So, I just play within the limits that I can afford.

There's no need for all these, either you make purchases of pragmatic play bonus or not, you still stand under the same condition of either winning or loosing, so why the unnecessary stress upon this, at the end of it, both the one bought and the bonus given all couldn't help in making one to win, if we put more calculations to this, we are going to identify out that it does not have anything to do with improving our chances, instead it may also constitutes the losses if care is not taken.

The bonus buy feature is a method to speed up getting a bonus, not speed up getting a win or max win. In each bonus buy, maybe we can only win 10% of the base bet. However, if compared with 200x normal spins, in the worst case we will not get a bonus at all. So, back to player habits. It's worth if in the bonus buy feature we can win a minimum of x200 base bet. If it is less than the buy bonus purchase price, maybe we will think it is better to do normal spins.

Let us not comfortably sit on casino games that does not offer us those features and pleasures we deserves or wanted while we keep on loosing our funds unpleasantly.
So if you are desired to stay with a casino or whatever kind of game and you have in time observe that you don't get what you expected or their featuring system is not getting advanced in considering what the audience are agitating for then just leave and try others.

Gambling casinos are all in hot competitive marketing and servicing situations to attract and acquire most massive attentions so Op, chillas and make your research for you would find more better of comfortable games.

I do not know what provider you have been playing on so you can give it a try to any of these obtainable ones after my enquires from friends that also plays the pragmatic games.
Meanwhile... OP, you must not that I did not make these recommendation as a professional and besides I do not play the pragmatic games. Be aware. So check these out.
* Chicken Drop, * Wolf Gold, * Gates of Valhalla, * Big Bass Splash, *Chicken Drop, *Peaky Blinders and the Sweet Bonanza.

That's true, if the purpose of the gambling you do is for fun, maybe the gambling you do won't cause problems. It's just that for many people who gamble, their main goal is to make a profit or to win, because in my opinion that is the goal of most gamblers. It is very rare that there are gamblers who gamble just for fun, with everything being fine, people who gamble for fun I am sure they have good self-control when gambling.
I agree with you that the bonuses available in gambling are very attractive so many people also want them because apart from winning, the bonus they are looking for is also something they want, but sometimes getting the bonus is not what it should or should be, sometimes when we use big bets and get bonuses but the bonuses are not much or are not commensurate with the amount of bets made, it is very annoying, but it is true that because of the definite home advantage, however the gambling carried out by those of us who are just ordinary players is likely to end in just defeat.

Go to Reddit online, and you will see many gamblers throwing shades on Pragmatic Play, calling it a scam, I guess too many people got bad results from Pragmatic Play, but I don't care, if Pragmatic is giving me the joy that I want from Slots game then I am good.

Gamblers want to win, by all means necessary, instead, they keep losing money, but some people are getting good results from Pragmatic, they only need to be less desperate as a gambler and do it the right way.

If you want you can purchase all available bonuses you can, but only do this if you have spare money, there is no guarantee that you will make money buying bonuses.

Exactly, the conclusion is as simple as that that as you said that the bonus feature is a quick way to get a bonus rather than we have to wait for it to drop from the screen by itself which sometimes I also feel that in one of the sessions I did not manage to get a free spin bonus at all, and this is a quick way to get a bonus feature and not get a large amount of winnings or even max win, I'm not saying that it's impossible but what is certain is that by buying a bonus feature it does not mean that you can win because however it is always unknown.

On the other hand I think it is a common thing that the purchase of bonus features more often than not produces results that do not match what you have spent, for example I buy bonus features with a minimum bet of $0.20 and buy bonus features for $20 and the results honestly I more often get returns far below that like for example $5 and very rarely produce more than I have spent to buy and this way makes me very fast in running sessions where the balance in the gambling account runs out faster, so I prefer not to touch the bonus purchase at all and just wait for the free spins to come by itself, this way can make me even longer in running sessions.

I think everyone who does pragmatic gambling feels that way, and indeed everyone is different, there are those who have good self-control and are patient in gambling, there are also those who are impatient, and in my opinion, with those who always buy free features maybe they are impatient people, because I have a friend who, when gambling but never gets free spins, spam buys, but the results he often gets are not worth what he buys, because it is not easy to win. even if you purchase free features.
Yes, that's true, it has become commonplace that the results are not commensurate. Moreover, if this feature could provide a definite win then there would definitely be many gamblers who would buy that feature to win easily, but the actual results are not like that, in fact what often happens with the final result is that it is not commensurate, perhaps even far from the desired amount. buying it is annoying but we as players can't do anything but accept it, maybe every now and then we'll say "huh" hahaha ;D

ahhhhh pragmatic playy this provider is really hit the market I mean every gambling casino provider that I know always have the pragmatic even on local gambling site in my country hahahah this slot provider is everywhere bro their game is a lot and the gate of olympus is always be a hot game in most platform hahha.

It is worth it to buy the bonus I would say yes or no since the bonus itself don't guarantee you too win maybe you need to do a back test how much you win and how much you lose from buying the bonus round if you see a lot of winning then go ahead haha

Yes, which means that people who move quickly to buy free spin bonuses seem like they can't wait to get a win because in several cases someone who gets a big win like a max win usually gets results like that when they are in a free spin or bonus round. whether they get it for free or buy it, as you said and I can somewhat conclude that patience plays a pretty good role in gambling activities, one of which can slow them down or take longer for them to run a session.

As you said about your impatient friend who ended up spamming the purchase of the bonus spin feature and clearly that doesn't mean it's a way to win, of course the problem is that the results of the spins are always unknown and it is a fact that the results are better. a lot is not worth what we have spent. Of course, every gambler has their own way of gambling and maybe your friend is one of the people who prefers to play by spam buying bonus spins, it doesn't matter because after all it is his own money, but maybe he will end the session quicker. which usually ends in more losses, I can't guarantee that they will always lose because maybe they could win but still that way is too aggressive in my opinion.

Pragmatic play is once a very solid provider due to their games frequently gives max win especially on gates that’s why they become popular everywhere. Nowadays pragmatic play becomes like other slot providers that offers low payout and rare max win. They probably adjusted already the difficulty to hit the max win since there’s a noticeable changes on the frequency of big win on this provider compared before. I witness how glorious gates before that gives a casual x100 multiplier on frequent spin while I never experienced it right now on my many game time playing this provider.


There’s no way to back test a slot game that use an RNG to determine the result because it will gives random result no matter what the size of your sample. This is simply based on luck to win on the bonus buy. Maybe add a prayer on your bet to boost your chance of winning.  :D

It seems like you're caught up in the excitement of playing Pragmatic Play games on Stake.com. While the graphics are impressive, the returns from the bonus buy feature might not be worth it especially if you're frequently losing. It's puzzling why many users still opt for it, considering the high cost and limited winnings. Sure Pragmatic's games are visually appealing but when it comes to winning, they might not be your best bet especially without a 0.1$ minimum bet option. Exploring other providers with better returns could be worth a shot

Not only that but the problem nowadays with the new games they release with the x1000 feature like Gate of Olympus 1000,StarLight Princess 1000 and the most brutal Sugar Rush 1000 usually is not worth at all,this last game especially which lately Pragmatic is moving to that,adding beside the buy bonus,buy the super bonus at x500 your bet and most of the times you will lose with few times just making it to x500,so absolutely absolutely not worthy at all the Pragmatic games anymore.

I think all gamblers are impatient when faced with a big win or max win, because of course most of the gamblers who are aiming for gambling is to get a win,  and a big win or max win of course it is the most desired goal of every gambler. In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands you'll be able to take a look at a few of the best ways to make sure that you're getting the most out of your money.

I agree with you of course it's not a way to get a win, after all there is no sure way to get a win in gambling, because winning in gambling is only based on our own luck And also if we do gambling impatiently it may happen that the gambling session is short, and that is not what the gambler wants.

I know the right gate of Olympus is like really on fire and yes people do win jackpots there a lot. Now one of my friends just moved provider and there is also a thread that discussed  that most of the gambling provider right now is increasing their RTP rating you know to gain more people ofcourse.


Hahahahahah Unless your super rich doesn't care about winning its gonna definitely a bonus round every time.  ;D

You seems to be having so bad experience with Pragmatic lately which makes you say like this. I believe you will say the opposite if you win big on your early try of those games lol. It will apply to all providers because we as gambler will use the result we get to consider the provider is good or not, worthy or not, recommended or not, etc. In general I have to agree that Pragmatic games with max multiplier more than 10,000x is not good to be played with buy bonus, better to play them with normal spins although the result will still based on our luck. Some people might be lucky enough with buy bonus while some other might be having so bad luck with it although they have tried it many times.

The reason is probably because of the bonus, they can get more plays out of their deposit so with more plays means more chances of winning, you don't have to get why these people are still gambling because they're the type to not care what others have to say about their habits which is a good thing and I always support whatever makes people happy and those stuff don't mess or abuse other people so as long as they do that, I don't see any reason to question what they do or be mad about it. Regarding exploring other providers though, maybe it's a thing that should be done by OP once he gets bored of Pragmatic's games, there's a lot of games that Pragmatic showcases so it's not going to be anytime soon that OP would take a look at another provider, maybe on a whim he'd do it but forcing or advising OP to do so right now isn't really going to be a good idea.

I don't play slots a lot. Like almost never, but I do know a thing or two about it. When you buy a feature/bonus, you will be placing 10-20 times more than the base bet and instantly receive the free spins. But each of the spins uses the base bet amount. So technically, you are actually winning more per bet. In total, you might have spent a little less (or more depending on your luck), if you had been manually spinning the slots. The free spins have bonus features that gives you a chance to win "higher" amount or the jackpot. Hence, the risk of losing money is also higher in this case. Check the RTP. As far as I know each bonus has their own RTP regardless of what the base game has to offer. If you are trying to win big faster, then buying bonus round is your way. Or else you can keep on spinning and hope that you win free spins unlocking the bonus features that will let you win the jackpot.

In the long run you are going to lose but you probably already realize that. As far as bonus buys go, I feel like 1 in every 20 buys profits and usually isn't enough to cover what you have spent on the other buys. They're fun but not worth it IMO. You can visit pragmatic play site and play all the games and buy all the bonuses you want for free.

https://www.pragmaticplay.com/en/

Pramagtic play has always been my main choice, but I only did the buy bonus a few times and because the results were never satisfactory, I was no longer interested in doing the buy bonus and just played regular spins
Several times I have gotten quite good profits from this provider's slots, but if I calculate correctly it as a whole, the results are still not profitable, but it cannot be denied that this does not reduce my intention to always choose slots from this provider, perhaps because this is the provider that I played with for the first time and also the appearance is always attractive compared to other providers, I am never reluctant to play and only play on other providers occasionally. In the long term, the results will always be the same for slot games where players will experience losses.

In contrast to what I like every time I visit a casino, let's say Stake every week is almost 3-4x and my activity never changes, namely by buying spins by spamming. Even though the results were bad and I even bought buy spins starting from the lowest price to the highest price without doing regular spins, basically buy a spin, finish, raise the bet, buy another spin, finish, raise the bet, and buy another spin.

This is my activity when playing slots and the last 2 hours ago I followed the buy spam scheme as usual.

Before, I tried a series of buying bonuses on their game, Starlight Princess. I'm playing at a local online casino.

(USD 1 = PHP 55)
Bet: PHP 1
Buy Free Spins Worth: PHP 100
Bankroll: PHP 500

Result: Not satisfying. 3 consecutive buy bonuses worth PHP 300 and the return total is just around PHP 170+. I know the number of purchases I made isn't enough to conclude but I'm expecting at least 1/3 of my buy bonus will give me good profits. At least, I've experienced the bonus feature which is hard to trigger in a manual spin.

Next move: Instead of buying the bonus feature, I turned ON the double the chance to win the bonus feature. I managed to trigger several bonus features although the win is not that much, the total amount I get is enough to make my bankroll last longer.

Final Result: Still busted lol after playing several hours.

Yes and they make the buy bonus spin feature as an intermediary to be able to get that big win, even though the fact is that it doesn't always work or doesn't always produce the expected win, one of the reasons in my opinion is that they often hear about the big wins that other people have managed to get by buying bonus spins which in turn makes other people manage to get big wins like max win for example, and the problem is that they don't know how many failures the other person has experienced in his experiment, and maybe the other person managed to get a big win after sacrificing a lot of experiments or in the sense of sacrificing a lot of defeats which actually if calculated the amount of victory is the same as the amount they have lost before.

So actually it is not a victory but their money back again, but unfortunately most gamblers always consider that it is a very tantalizing result that makes them even exaggerate in response to their victory so that it makes domapin levels in the brain increase which makes them eventually get carried away and continue the game with a larger number of bets because they think that it is their lucky time and they think that the situation should be utilized. On the other hand, it is true as I said earlier that there is no sure way to really make a win even if you often buy bonus spins, because still the name of gambling activity is always about winning and losing.

Yes, that's true, there is no guarantee that by buying the free feature you can get a big win or max win. In fact, if we really have luck then we can get a big win with not too big capital, like my friend who got a big win with only $5 capital, he gambled last night with that big capital and didn't buy the free features, but he managed to get a win of $200. Even though it's not a max win, just by capitalizing $5 and getting a win of $200, that's already big in my opinion, and he didn't waste it, he immediately withdrew it and bought several properties that he wanted.
That makes sense, because there are people who think they will only stick with one casino because they think that the losses that have occurred can be returned in the future, so the many losses experienced will be returned when luck is on their side, so that the winnings can be said to be returned. money that has been lost, and there are also those who are looking for winnings by changing casinos. Everyone has different perceptions and their way of gambling is also different.

Yup, if we are the typical person who is bored of doing normal spins, try several bonus buys to get lucky in a different way, maybe you can try it. who knows, after the buy bonus, we can be more relaxed in playing from time to time till end of session. However, if bonus buy just giving a bad return, and makes us trapped into buying another buy bonus, even though this is not our habit, we need to pay attention, it could be that our gambling style has changed from frequently using normal spins to buying bonuses.

The buy bonus is like a feature that can trap gamblers into losing money quickly, this is because the buy bonus also provides random returns. The same as the bonus you get from normal. when you lose the bonus or don't live up to expectations, the result will be the same. just think about that.

I’m surprisingly to the minimum bet of pragmatic play is insanely low when using a fiat currency on bet. As far as I know 0.2$ is the minimum bet of Pragmatic games and 0.1$ on some of their games but still that will only give around 5 to 7php when converted. What local casino you are using so that I can try it? Most of the local casino in our country usually doesn’t have pragmatic provider and only offer those chinese slot game provider which is sucks.



Obviously you will get same result because bonus buy is just skip version of the manual spin. There’s only additional gambling part on whether you will hit bonus round earlier before you can consume an amount equivalent to the bonus buy cost. But manual is still the best for me because you can enjoy more the games.

As far as I know, the good features of the bonus increase the excitement of playing the game but it does not always give a good profit when winning. Although casino bonuses may not be required to access these offers it is always wise to keep an eye out for any special games that can enhance your gaming experience. In casino reviews I found that being aware of the latest bonus offers is often not worth this virtual gaming.

Yes it may be allowed but not too often and maybe just to experiment when you feel very bored with playing as usual, but for me it usually quite depends on how the game is going, if for example the game is running quite well and it is not difficult to get a free spin bonus down on the screen then usually then I will never try to buy a bonus spin feature, but sometimes there are like some sites that are quite difficult to get a free spin bonus for free and on the other hand it sometimes depends on the time maybe where I play at the wrong time where the game is in poor performance.

Well yes as you said and I really feel and experience that when the return of the bonus spin feature that I have purchased is not worth the money I have spent to buy it then usually it is very likely that you will feel emotional and upset because the content in the free spin is so bad that we end up buying another free spin bonus and that is an action that will usually lead to a greater amount of loss, this is also the reason why I prefer to gamble as usual which does not touch the purchase of bonuses like that because besides being able to drain more money in our balance it can also trigger emotions.

Buying bonus will not always provide benefits, perhaps buying bonus will increase chances of winning, but increasing chances still requires luck to actually produce win.
Everything is system that is designed randomly and of course we play only relying on luck, under certain conditions buying bonus can be very useful but it also never provides guarantee of winning to get profit.
For those who are really patient and have careful attitude, they will just continue doing normal spins until they actually get free spins or scatters, but it is very rare that scatters can provide certain amount of profit.
I myself, if it on good table, will just wait for the multiplier to go down and if it scatter then I will indeed prepare some money to buy bonus after the free spins are finished.

Moreover, in slot games for pragmatic providers, if it just for fun, we can use small amounts of money and this is one of the friendliest providers but it can still be possible to get big wins.
Only luck works and we can have fun waiting for that luck to come, the most important thing is not to be too careless in quickly increasing the bet amount because it is very risky.
When increase bet, chances of winning can change significantly, it will be more difficult for to break the table each round.

It is normal to see many people become addicted to gambling because they often play slot games. That's because slot games offer big prizes that gamblers can get so they keep coming back to play slot games. Pragmatic Play is a slot provider with a bonus purchase feature that can give you a max win. But not everyone succeeds in getting the max win prize because the level of difficulty is unknown and only lucky people can get it.

You need to be able to control yourself while playing slots and don't need to spend a lot of money to buy the Bonus Purchase feature. It's better to play slots in moderation and it's okay to buy the Bonus Purchase feature but still control yourself by not buying it repeatedly in pursuit of winning. If you can restrain yourself, you might get a chance to win a big prize but it will all depend on your luck.

This legit especially on the Pragmatic provider because all their games are the most popular to play by streamers who often have huge number of viewers. They often showcase huge that makes playing slot games specifically from pragmatic play is always so addictive for all the gamblers that always watching streams from gambler influencers.

Gambling is already popular in my country including the mainstream. I’m always watching them playing pragmatic play slot games. Good thing that I can’t play pragmatic games on casino here due to restrictions that’s why I can resist my temptation to play often slot games.

you may be forgetting something important at this point in the discussion, mate.
Slot games are known to be based on pure luck and each person will have different luck according to the games they often play and of course the type of game they really like.
I once heard someone say that if they often play at one provider, for example (pragmatic), they will definitely often get lucky even though at first they often lose, but the next time they play the game again with the same provider they will win.
and I can prove to myself that in the past I often played on game provider pragmatic, even though today I lost, a few days later I played it again and would definitely win almost the same as the previous loss.

on one hand, I studied slot games, sometimes everyone has different luck with different providers, for example, I often play games from pragmatic providers, I often get lucky when I buy spin bonus the third time and my budget recovers.
but when trying games from other providers that I don't really like such as the Wazdan provider, I often experience losses and even very bad returns when buying bonus spins.
but it's different from my friend who often bets on the Hacksaw provider, my friend always wins often, even if he just buy one spin bonus, sometimes he gets a big win, but when my friend tries to play from the pragmatic provider he always experiences losses.

that's what I mean that everyone sometimes has luck on different providers depending on how often they play games on that provider.

Not really worth it for me compared on the number of times I won on this provider compared to other provider like Hacksaw. The only huge win I get on this provider bonus buys is almost x3 of the bonus buy purchase amount while I definitely get x10 or more on Hacksaw even though I spent the same amount of bankroll when I play both.

Maybe the experience is different each person but this provider is not very friendly to me ever since I try their slot games especially the sweets games. Better to spend your money on Blackjack since you can fight for your money with the right decision.

could you remember one certain time when almost all the casino gambling platform issues their players bonus and they don't bonus in their platform makes many people to go into their platform or website to gamble, it is obvious that whoever that is into gambling like a free money the like a bonus and when you make your own bonus higher than another person you continue to have a much traffic than any other gambling platform so that is the strategies some of the gambling platforms builders strategize in order to win a customers their mind to gamble to their own particular website also have the same method of bonus in the platform so that is why when you see a gambling platform now especially casino it is a highly competitive the only thing that is different from this numbering platforms is the future of the platform basically the network and the interface of the platforms is very unique that is what differentiate them

What's the purpose of repeated buys if you don't pursue winning? Don't tell me, buying bonus feature just for fun?
If it's about controlling ourselves to buy the bonus feature, the best advice should be to "set a limit of repeated buys".

The main goal of repeated buys is to hit the big wins by buying the bonus feature. What's the sense of repeated buying if you are not pursuing a win?

If you meant to fully control ourselves then don't buy the bonus feature at all. Simple as that.

As an online slot game enthusiast for many years, I conclude that most Pragmatic Games bonus features are overrated! Aside from the difficulty for the bonus feature to pop out in-game, even if you bought their bonus feature, the winning return is so crap! Not worth and the PP game provider is just hype. No offense to their pure fanatics as that's my view.

I know to myself that buy bonus is obviously still a game of luck and just skipping a long time waiting for the feature to come out. But experiencing already several times those different bonus features at different game providers, I can't include Pragmatic Games as one with the worthy bonus not unless you hit the insane multipliers which is far from realistic.

The distinction you draw between aesthetics and functionality is insightful.  While Pragmatic Play might offer visually appealing games, you argue that for serious gamblers, winning takes precedence over graphics.  Imagine prioritizing features that increase your odds of winning over flashy visuals.

The idea that buying bonuses from other providers is a viable strategy for those seeking profit raises a concern.  This suggests a focus on exploiting loopholes rather than a sustainable approach to gambling.  Imagine relying on external factors to win instead of understanding the inherent randomness of slot games.

There is no logical reason for people to buy bonus rewards even when it's obvious that you are not making anything out of it, possible reason could be they attracted towards particular provider so they just want to experience the play no matter what and others just do it without thinking much about the outcomes.

For casual Gambler it may not affect but it's important to take everything into account if you are spending more money on gambling.

I was also surprised by the minimum bet allowed. In other gambling sites, the minimum is Php 10 at most Pragmatic Games which is around $0.18. Before, users here couldn't also access Pragmatic Play using direct ISP. If I'm also not mistaken, it's just around I think less than a year since Pragmatic Plays allows users from our region. No need for VPN stuff.

Even if I mentioned the local online casino site I doubt you can fully use the service since the accepted withdrawal method is only available in our country (or if you heard GCASH and Paymaya, and there's a way to access it on your side). There are options for bank accounts but adding that method isn't available now.

Yes, that's because the Pragmatic provider is already very well known to people out there. Moreover, they also see lots of advertisements from influencers on social media, so this makes the Pragmatic provider better known. Many people or influencers share their winning moments with people in slot games from the Pragmatic provider so that people see it as a slot game that can give big wins.

Slot games from the Pragmatic provider are also very well known by people here, especially as some local online casino sites also have slot games from the Pragmatic provider. That's what makes Pragmatic increasingly known to many people. This is where people have to be stricter in their restrictions so as not to experience any problems.

Repeated purchases are in pursuit of win and that is what many people usually do. Their goal in gambling has changed to pursuing winning and not having fun. I have also experienced something like that and almost lost all my money.

Controlling yourself includes setting limits when gambling. That means we also have to set repeat purchase limits so we don't lose more money.

People who buy bonus features over and over again really want to win. Therefore, they do it over and over again, even until the money runs out.

I always advise gamblers to be smarter in gambling and choose their game options cleverly. There are some games that are not just wired in your favour unless you are merely lucky and there is no amount of skills you have or how you try to manoeuvre things that would change anything here. The Pragmatic Play game is a simple example of this and it is a game working on its special algorithm that is being commercialized for the money.

Now, if it is such that is not delivering well like most other casino games in helping the house gain more and the player gain less, do you think it will be getting much patronage? And this will become a loss for the programmers eventually. So we should not expect any casino games to be blessers as such but a means you lose more, however when you are lucky, you get to be happy due to food fate at the time, but this will not be common. Also, for the limited winning, it is another issue on its own, and no amount of bonus can take that way.

Bonus buys are a gamble that provides you with the opportunity to get high multipliers, but that only happens if you are lucky enough. You can't expect to hit a 1000x multiplier with bonus buy if you are not winning in the normal game because your luck is probably not favouring you.

I have seen people buying feature or bonus in games provided by Pragmatic and winning very high multipliers sometimes. A YouTuber once hit a 300x multiplier on Sweet Bonanza after buying bonus feature worth $2,000 or something. So, whether it's worth it or not depends on how lucky or unlucky you are.

To expect in something like gambling is a worse decision to make because it won't always happen and you can only hurt your self in the process. I think he didn't lose $1k at one go according to what he said but $1k is no doubt a good amount already. If we regret it, it means we might be playing more than our capacity, and this money might go on the right things if only we are not that greedy to chase a lot of profits in gambling but what shouldn't happened had happened already. The only that thing we can do at the moment is to move on and not repeat the same mistakes again.

I think what you said first is already correct. Max win is going to be the same but if we want a higher win, the other way would be is to increase our betting size.

There's also this thinking that players should not really use the buy bonus feature when there's a recent high winner in a casino that they're playing on. Kind of life trying to avoid being the seeds to a field that has recently been harvested by other people. For me, it's better to sometimes use the buy feature for free spins because you have easy access to a lot of multipliers per spin, but sometimes it just gives you nothing. It's hard to get free spins on a normal run but hey, if you aren't really spending hundreds or thousands of dollars in the casino, normal spins still can give you something.

Your clearly well aware of your addiction and your still doing it, well unless you have some control over your gambling habits you would put yourself in a financial wreak, i dont know about buying bonuses but I think the purpose would be for winning big and not aimlessly losing so much with no control.

There is at least 1 logical reason to buy bonus, for me as one of those who like playing slot much, buying bonus is an alternative option when I get bored with normal spins.
Another logical reason is buy bonus is mathematically better than normal spins because there is no guarantee of hitting free spins round with normal spins even after we lost the same amount as what is needed to buy a bonus.

There are also lot of reports from users who actually buy bonus for extra spins mentioned that they never won anything in the free spins, I don't understand how the fairness works in these situation but it looks like it doesn't really turned around life of a gambler with that extra spins when we buy bonus packs on the contrary we could be tempted to spin more than we wanted to just because we bought the bonus pack.

I have played live blackjack at stake.com at Pragmatic Play for a long time and still do occasionally. It is very enjoyable but it must be admitted that it is very addictive. I've made a lot of profit here and a lot of times I've lost a lot too, so on average I'm losing quite a bit if everything is calculated. I became so addicted to it that once I took a loan from the bank and then gambled. It was a bad experience for me. I also shared a story about this here. Pragmatic games is very enjoyable but much addictive.

It depends on which slot you play, if its like Fruit Party its clearly better to buy bonus than regular spins.
But if you play slots like Floating Dragon Megaways, Rock Vegas, Queenie etc it is better not to buy bonus.

There are some games from Pragmatic where the minimum bet is less than $0.2, such as:
Gold Train $0.03
888 Dragon $0.01
Floating Dragon $0.1
Return of the dead $0.1
Eye of the storm $0.1
Snakes & Ladders Megadice $0.1
Bigger Bass Bonanza $0.12
.. and many more

The subject here which the OP referring was the slot game of Pragmatic since he is pertaining to bonus buy based on his inquiry while Blackjack is part of their live games program which obviously doesn’t have a bonus buy.

All Pragmatic games both live games and slot games are indeed addictive because of the crisp graphics they are using to all their games for an easy eye catching feature to customers. I still doesn’t experience playing the live games and slot games first hand because it’s restricted to my country to play on this provider but I enjoy watching streamers playing these slot games especially sweet bonanza and other candy theme games.

Bro, buying a free spins bonus does not guarantee a win. But, as panjul07 said, this is a shortcut to playing the bonus features, nothing more than that. Whether the result will be winning or not, it's depends on luck. lets say when you are not in bad condition to get 10 times free spins features you get from normal spins, then this 10 free spins you get will still be lost and your balance will run out after continued to play with normal spins. the difference is durations you can use to play, by buying a free spins bonus you may run out of money in a few minutes because normally the free spins bonus at Pragmatic is 100x the base bet. If with normal spins from $20, you can use it in 25 minutes, by buying a buy bonus it only takes 2 minutes. just like that. So if someone feels like they haven't won anything, it means they are having bad luck.