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                                                      Alik Bahshi

                      About the cause of the terrorist attack at «Crocus City Hall»

                                   
    A possible reason for the terrorist attack in the «Crocus City Hall» concert hall is revenge for the fact that Putin is using non-Russian peoples of the empire as cannon fodder in the war with Ukraine. There is no doubt that by starting the war in Ukraine, dictator Putin is solving two imperial tasks - returning the Ukrainian people to the fold of the empire, while simultaneously reducing the number of peoples of the Caucasus and Siberia. As a result, it may well be that there are quite a few embittered Dagestan’s, Bashkirs, Buryats, whom Moscow sends to the war they need, instead of imperial-minded Muscovites having fun at concerts, while hundreds of thousands of people from the periphery of the empire are dying, carrying out the Kremlin’s plan killers to restore the Russian Empire within the borders of the USSR. (1,2)

1. Great Russian chauvinism, and Putin is its Fuhrer. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/21133.html
2. The state-forming people and their Fuhrer, or Ukraine and further down the list. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/21749.html

         03/23/2024

Well I could not read further on the two links provide
on this your write up because I don't understand Russian language used. But I don't have much to say on this issue but one thing I can only say no matter what Putin has plan to achieve as the first place the way he use to attack may make the target not easily achievable within a short time though life loss will be involved but can't be to his expectations because many counter attack will rise in various means on his plan.

Or simply the fact that Putin is working hand in hand with Assad against ISIS?... ::)

Right.
In these times of political, economical and social uncertainty, for some reason people try to always found reasons for these kinds of horribles attacks, which go beyond the obvious and more common reasoning. People forget that during the territorial expansion of of ISIS in the middle east both Russia and the coalition of the United States were working together to defeat the organization and re-capture the wide area which was intended to be a new caliphate. Russia wanted to destroy ISIS but keep Assad, while The USA wanted to get rid of both ISIS and assad, since the terrorist organization was a common enemy it was obvious it was going to be the recipient of most of the fire and attacks from both nations and sides.
If ISIS had the chance to do something similar to what sadly happened yesterday, in USA, they would do it, no doubt about it.

After this attacks, both the Russian Federation and the European Union will start to closely monitor their citizens and foreigners in their territory, in order to try to find any indication of past extremism.

By the way, I have a hunch people in the USA will just this tragedy as some kind of propaganda to positively talk about the second amendment rights and the fact those terrorist managed to get access to weapons which civilians could not possibly get in their hands. It is the usual and romanticized story of the guy good with a gun.

hmm so as an american 🇺🇸 do i rout for putin or isis?

I lose track of all the players in the death 💀 dealers.

Putin vs Ukraine
Putin vs ISIS
Hamas vs Israel. 🇮🇱
USA vs Isis


I think Isis and hamas are semi partners.

So the media tells me in no particular order.

Isis bad
Hamas bad.
Putin bad.

Israel some bad some good.
Ukraine mostly good a little bad.


But if Isis is bad it fights USA at times and Russia.  So is Russia good for fighting Isis but bad for fighting Ukraine. 🇺🇦

Personally all of the above is done to feed the military industrial complex. “Lords of war” with nick cage teaches us just how intwined weapons sales are in this world .

Sad so very sad to have so much killing.

I have seen this clearly in my life since I was 7 in 1964 USA was dealing with vietnam 🇻🇳 many peoples lives were ruined then. Many more all around the world since then.

  It was enough to copy the title of the article in the search of this forum; it is available on the forum in translation. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1989146.0

Nobody should forget that Putin rose to power in Russia by staging a false-flag terrorist attack, killing is own people, including children:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2012/11/22/finally-we-know-about-moscow-bombings/

While there's no evidence so far that this is Putin being up to his old tricks--and it would be unclear how this terrorist attack would help him--you can't put anything past a cold-blooded murder like Putin...

I am afraid that you are seeing the surface and not even that. ISIS and Hamas are not only not allies, but they are actually enemies. The fact that Hezbola, Hamas, ISIS and daesh (AKA Alquaeda) claim to be fighting for the same god does not make it true and certainly does not make them in any way instant allies.

Whatever the press says is not that relevant. In my view most countries are morally questionable, I just think that some of them are more belligerent than others and I like peace.

No Putin is not "good" because they fight ISIS. Putin is a problem.

ISIS is a US proxy that declared war on Palestinians and their armed forces known as Hamas after October 7 and has been attacking anybody elsewhere that is supporting Palestine. For example days after Yemen started attacking Israel, terrorist attacks across Yemen started.
This attack in Russia also came right after Russia vetoed US resolution in UN which was in favor of Israel and terrible for Palestine.

Hezbollah and Hamas aren't fighting for some god, they are armed forces of their respective countries defending their homes against foreign invaders.
ISIS on the other hand is a terrorist organization with majority foreign members (like Émilie König, the French female terrorist who joined ISIS for breeding!). In fact over a third of these terrorist came from Europe, a lot from US and elsewhere and the rest were local extremists.

BTW ISIS is the English translation of the Arabic word "Da'esh" not a separate organization; while Al-Qaeda is a separate terrorist organization that is also backed by US which only has cooperation with ISIS aka Da'esh but works under a new name mostly hiding in Northern Syria in regions occupied and controlled by United States and under US military protection partly with the help of local Kurdish separatists.

Or they just let it happen then blame Ukraine because they will have more reasons to take more action against Ukraine. Some news sources say the US had reported to Russia about this incident, but Russia seems not to care. By the way, it's just in the media so we don't know the truth.

Well. Since we are talking about Russia and those who are involved seem to have been captured by the Kremlin, it is likely we will never know for sure what the truth is.
If some of those terrorist got captured by other state which happened to be more transparent and did not have reasons to blame a neighbor country, then there would be more chances for us to know legitimately what is going on. Russia is like that, there is a strong hermetism on the official information. It is not at the same level of North Korea, where people cannot literally move out their motherland, but there is indeed control of the information.

We can only know the little facts we can trust in order to assemble the puzzle as much as possible and reach our own conclusions.

Russia has captured four terrorists, and they are making them reveal who is behind it, but sometimes it makes us not believe everything they post on the media. I am not against Russia; just like with the Nord Stream II, I don't believe US and European media too much either. But we are just normal people. We can't know the truth. I just hope all of these things stop. It makes my heart ache.

Since there is some similar happenings in 2000 and 2002 that justified the Russian war against Chechnya at that time nothing will make me think otherwise,like some guys from ISIS have blown up a city hall in the center of Moscow,I simply don't buy it,Russia may have arrested anyone they want and they can make those guys declare what Russia wants,most likely you will see that they will blame this on Ukraine in order to justify their ongoing invasion.Russia since starting the war has lost a lot regarding manpower and military equipment so they need something now to further upscale their fight against Ukraine,however as long as Ukraine is supported by the EU and West it will keep making Russia suffer.

The name is “Crocus City Hall” . As far as I understand it is not a city hall like most people understand, it means the place we are talking about is not a government building. It is a venue, a mall. A private property. Many news agencies make the same mistake, it may not look important but I just wanted to fix it anyway.

I'm also very sceptical about everything what comes from Russia, versions that they raised and videos of these arrested people. Knowing past history of Russia it's just hard to believe them.
Though, there is bodycam video from shooting published by Amaq News Agency which is linked to ISIS and you can here these terrorists talking arabic, so it maybe denies main version of Russia about Tajik terorists. Not going to post this video for obvious reasons, but you easily can find it on Telegram.
And call me cynical, but I don't have much emotions about this atack. In general, Russia is doing same and worse things in Ukraine for more than 2 years, most of these people who were in hall probably went to vote for Puting week ago. It's hard for me to feel sorry. Offcourse, I can't justify killing civilians, no matter how much I don't like Russia.

Not a mall, it's venue for music concerts and attack was made right before one concert, so, there was thousands of people inside.

On this you don't need a prophet to tell you that the hand of Ukraine may be in it, they want to payback for all the pains Russia has cost them for the past two years

I remember that attack on the theater in Russia. What a terrible week for Russians. And their Russian officers also wrongly shot normal people. The funny thing now is the US keeps delaying support for Ukraine. But we don't know if this is their trick to make Russia believe they have more hope of winning Ukraine, then the US will keep supporting to make Russia deeper into the Ukraine war.

Not a chance. The US warned Russia of this attack and they ignored us.

Ukraine goes after military targets that help stop the attack on their country. Russia is the one that targets civilians in order to wage a war of terror.

To be fair, I kind of remember to have seen news of Ukrainian missiles to have landed on Russia and the Occupied Ukraine territories which happened to hit civilian targets. Though, I cannot deny Russia has disproportionally targeted civilian infrastructure and buildings during the war, in a cold-blood attempt to destroy not only the nation they are invading, but also all will to life the people of Ukraine could have left. It is truly an horrific thing what a senseless war can do to a country which was relatively okey for a long time.

It is not a surprise at all Putin is trying to blame as much as possible anything bad which happens to his country to Ukraine, after all, his propaganda is about brain-washing the population and make the average Russian person to view the Ukrainian people as the enemy to mercilessly crush, it would have been convenient for Putin of neither of those terrorists managed to make out of the theater alive, because the dead do not talk, and he could have then shifted the blame on Ukraine easier, unfortunately to him, some of those were captured alive and already confessed their actual motivations, which do not seems to have anything to do with Ukraine and more with the alliance the Kremlin has with certain leaders in the middle east...

Yes, in war, mistakes are made. And sometimes military targets are intentionally placed in civilian locations for this exact reason. And you cannot trust absolutely any information that comes from Russia in any case.

And yes, there's absolutely no denying this was an ISIS attack. The US knew they would attack and warned Russia. Then ISIS proved their culpability. While blaming Ukraine on this is typical propaganda from Russia, this is particularly... ridiculous propaganda, even for them.

Federal Security Service was in the Hall
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1772292883560694064?t=_RgDnAj4_eHewA6oM6VHPA&s=19

I'd usually dismiss outlandish claims like this, but staging a false-flag terrorist attack killing Russia innocents is literally how Putin rose to power...

First sitting in the Concert Hall and hours later apprehending the perpertratotrs. Some crazy world.
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How is that this thread barely reached 2 pages? I don't know why but it didn't gain too much attention that Russians publicly tortured those 4 guys without proving that they are terrorists. Is there any proof that they are? I have only seen one video where their face is blurred. Isn't there any evidence that those four guys were actually the ones who killed people? I mean, any video where we see the faces of those people? Too many people write that suspected ones might be guys randomly taken from the street and real terrorists escaped.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/03/VyhQw.jpeg

I hope that they are the real terrorists and not randomly arrested Tadjiks. Many FSB members being in the hall also looks very suspicious. We really live in a crazy world.

How someone can believe that they are real terrorists after they were tortured in best Russian traditions. Probably most of us supposed that such things is happening in Russia, but now they published everything themselves. I mean electrocuting genitals or cutting ear off, probably anyone of us would admit being terrorists after such things.
And in general, there is way too many strange things in whole story. Like escaping with same car that they arrived and then going strange towards border with Ukraine. Considering that there is war and border is watched very closely, I'm wondering how they planned to cross it.

there is a lot of speculation circulating surrounding this terrorist movement, there are even rumors circulating that it was the us itself that was behind the attack, since they could not openly attack russia. but what about the news stating that the pentagon had previously warned russia regarding this attack? that's just a diversion and makes the us the "good" party, even though that's not what actually happened.

but whatever it is, this is a political issue and it is too complicated to discuss because there are too many issues and rumors which mean that the motive for this attack is not fully revealed.

That is the thing with authoritarian and brutal regimes like the one in Russia, they lack all sense of legitimacy in the eyes of the international community and when comes to their justice system it is the same. Any civilized country in the world knows that when comes to confessions, the most important matter is not to inflict distress or harm onto the accused alledged criminal, otherwise the confession could be crossed out as invalid. In Russia it seems the most important thing is to get a confession not matter how, it is truly a backwards country.
No country with that way of working is supposed to hold nuclear weapons, in my opinion.

The attempt to flee to the border with Ukraine could have been a desperate attempt not to get captured by Russian police, in my opinion, but it looks too improvised in my eyes. Why would be these alledged terrorists to be offered money in exchange of something like this if they did not have a good escape plan?  ???

I am not an emotional guy but this accident really hurts me. There aren't enough proofs that these guys are terrorists and too many people write that it's Russia and they might be randomly taken off from the street. Imagine, being an average citizen, working to feed your family and out of nowhere FSB comes at you and tortures you like hell.
It also doesn't make sense they were going to Ukraine. Why would they go to the Ukraine? There is an active war, crossing the border in this case is more stupid than committing a suicide. Putin made up this to make Ukraine somehow involved in this terrorist attack. What was the FSB doing in the hall? Guys in the blue sweaters. One of them was even saying "close the door". I don't understand why are their faces blurred in the video that terrorists recorded? It just doesn't make sense, it only makes me believe that FSB made this and caught suspects are not real terrorists.
It's insane that FSB publicly tortures people before it's confirmed that they are criminals and they are proud of it. It's insane!

Everything is happening as expected. Russia forced 4 people to say that after the attack, terrorist's plan was to move in Kyiv and there was 1 million rubble ready for them. You know what's funny? I remember that one of them didn't speak Russian and in this video, he speaks Russian. From this new video it looks like these 4 guys are not the actual terrorists, they were randomly picked up guys from the streets and were forced by KGB to say that they were behind the attack.

Here is the video: https://www.tiktok.com/@fanive_/video/7355320028310408491