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Title: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Ethan151 on April 13, 2024, 12:35:39 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: DeathAngel on April 13, 2024, 12:53:32 PM
In a normal society everybody should have the option of pursuing their own dreams & goals. They shouldn’t be restricted in any type of career of lifestyle choices. Religion stops some people doing certain things but it’s not right, we should all be able to freely make our own choices.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Helena Yu on April 13, 2024, 01:21:00 PM
This really depend on each parents.

Majority of (or probably all) parents will teach what they know to their kids, that's why there are many kids followed the same skills from their parents. However, sooner or later when the kids already grown up, if they realize they didn't like it, they might shift to something that they like to do.

So in case of Ronaldo Jr and Messi Jr, we will see them later.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Dunamisx on April 13, 2024, 03:16:42 PM
OP so who are we obligated to if you disagrees with that, we have the right to choose from what we want right from the day we start to live independently, if we have no reason of taking permission from someone that we want to eat or we want to make any achievement in life, we are not to live by other peoples opinion, we have to determine the future for ourself, we have to make determination on what we want, pursue after them and never give up, if someone is thinking of what to achieve in life, then they should be grateful of the past success they have achieved as well.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: jrrsparkles on April 13, 2024, 03:43:41 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.

The reason is pretty simple, when they enter they are going to be the sensational news on the world which will give them a head start that may not be possible in other sector. I would categorize it as guiding the kids in the right way not forcing and you know they can live their life to fullest even if they didn't do anything at all.

Let's just talk about the middle class people where their parents expect their kids to make money from graduation and getting a job but what if the kid say I am going to be an Actor?


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Churchillvv on April 13, 2024, 06:11:58 PM
It's true that a lot of parent's nowadays want their children to fulfil the part which they couldn't meet up or for the successful once they desire their children to maintain the legacy which they have built but that doesn't change the fact that every adult have the right to decide their future.

Our parents can only sharp our lives to their desire at a very certain age but after then we have all right to make our own decisions at that point they don't have any right over you. We have what is call ideal lifestyle and actual lifestyle, it means that the ideal decision is for everyone to decide what they want to be but the actuality is that our parents/guardians decides what we will be.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: darkangel11 on April 13, 2024, 07:23:01 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps.

That doesn't change the fact that despite pressure, these children have the right to choose their own paths in life. Your example doesn't prove your point.

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Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
They have so much money that their children can do whatever they like. If their kids decide they want to be doctors, I'm sure they'll get the money for that.

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A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa.

That's a made up fact.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: OgNasty on April 13, 2024, 07:33:30 PM
Sure, parents have a great deal of control over their children until they reach the age of 18 (at least where I’m from). That is just the beginning of life though and doesn’t stop someone from pursuing their dreams once they reach adulthood. Many people go against their family’s wishes and do what they want in life.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: uneng on April 13, 2024, 08:09:14 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different;
The world has already been more rigorous on this aspect before. Nowadays the new generations do what they want, without taking into consideration the advices and wishes of the older members of their families. One example is marriage. In older traditions, marriages were deals negotiated by the families of the bride and groom. And even though marriages are still material deals these days, in most cases, they are directly negotiated by the bride and groom themselves, what means they aren't forced anymore to marry someone they don't want.

the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
Pressure makes the very act of choosing your own path in life harder, but it doesn't forbid you from doing so. Free will is still there and was guaranteed to you by God, who is above everyone and everything, what includes your family and society. People who say they have no choice are weak, being easily dragged by the hypes, trends and conveniences of material world, instead of being truly to their intuition and natural gifts.

Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.
It's not like this anymore. Traditions and wisdom from elders aren't valued anymore by the new generations when taking their own decisions. I guess much of that knowledge made a lot of sense along history, and guided many individuals through the right paths on their existences in this world, but in the end, there must always be a genuine congruence between the expectations this family or society has regards the individual and what the individual really feels he should pursue.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: FatFork on April 13, 2024, 08:38:11 PM
Freedom of choice exists on a spectrum, it's not simply black and white.  Families and society shape us, yes, but we still have the ability to blaze our own trails - the world resists simplicity.  In primitive cultures, knowledge flowed from elders to the youth out of necessity for the continuation of the group; still, the young found chances to stray from their ancestors' fields, else how do you explain innovation and progress? The rigid channels seen today likely bearing less resemblance to those lands than we envision.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Marvelman on April 13, 2024, 09:31:12 PM
it does seem contradictory for me to criticize families that overly shape their kids' paths while also noting that some youth have too much freedom. I don't think either extreme is helpful.  Strictly mandating a child's career and relationships can backfire, stifling their self-expression and growth.  But neither is it wise to give adolescents complete free reign with no guidance on long-term goals or values.

I think the healthiest approach lies somewhere in between.  Parents should expose their children to opportunities and share wisdom, while allowing space for self-discovery.  Teens should respect their elders experience but feel empowered to thoughtfully question norms and forge their own trails over time.  Rebellion has its place too in moderation. 

In the end, families must nurture connection while balancing structure and freedom.  It's complicated with no perfect formula.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: letteredhub on April 13, 2024, 09:36:16 PM
Parents from time immemorial has constantly want their children to be like them or go similar path in life and this is in the belief that the child will find prowess easily in life just as they the parents had done. But as the popular saying, you can force the horse to the river but can't force it to drink. Many of these children later in life  follow their own dreams as they grow to become adult.

Parents should be inclined enough to understand that forcing a child to live their own dreams other than the child own dream is similar to taking away a child's' natural right to freedom of self-determination as a human.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Bushdark on April 13, 2024, 09:41:08 PM
It is better to direct a child on the kind of lifestyle they needed to live but that should not be a thing of force attempt.
We should be wise that everyone has the privilege to do whatever what they want especially when it's not illegal. We need to choose the life we want and the outcome should be what we would be able to bear. There are lifestyle that could look sweet at the beginning but the ending can be very disasterous which is why we need to think critically before choosing the kind of life we want to embrace.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Gozie51 on April 13, 2024, 10:12:21 PM

Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 

This depends on the career part that parents are, the children sometimes fall in love with the career by themselves. They see what is accruing from it financially and they want to join it. Another is apart from the money, they grow in passion to the job that they see their parents do and gradually take up tools to begin to learn and practice it. Then another is the angle of the parents choosing career for them also because of the prospect of it and they want their children to go into it.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: passwordnow on April 13, 2024, 10:47:22 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
I have a simple take with that example from these famous footballers. It's because whatever our kids see us, they become our biggest fan and they want to be just like us. And with that, their kids want to be the same as them and they become their personal coach and adviser. I'm sure that whatever their children want to be is that they'll fully support the path that they're going to choose. But, they're just more privileged because money won't be a problem to them anymore because of how they earn millions per month excluding endorsement and deals.

Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.
I agree that every child has their own talent. But I also believe that based on what the person's liking will depend the future path that they're going to take. While some believe that it is destiny and fate that sets everything to us and we just have to go with the walkthrough so that things will react and will do accordingly based on how everything has been set for us. On this thing, you have to still do whatever it takes for you to go through that path and have a better life.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: oktana on April 13, 2024, 11:22:48 PM
At such tender age, can you tell me what their destiny is? No you can’t, and thats because they are just kids. You do not know the other things that their children do so you can’t assume that they are forced. Don’t forget that children copy from their parents, so what a parent does, it is likely that a child will find it interesting to do, until they are grown. And it is when they are grown that they decide if that is what they really want to do or not.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Essential10 on April 14, 2024, 01:58:54 AM
Every parent keeps their child on the guide line for a certain period of time. I personally feel that anyone under age can take wrong steps in their future decisions, in my opinion it is not right to feel freedom of one's own path in life from a young age. It is normal for your parents to guide you as they should until they are of mature age. When you become an adult, your parents will not disagree about choosing your own path. A long time ago, the freedom to choose one's own path used to make a difference, but in today's modern society, such a practice has lost its foundation.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Uhwuchukwu53 on April 14, 2024, 05:50:19 AM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.

Op naturally it's meant to be of full freedom or right to choose without any influence of parents, nation or any external body, but this matter is two sided, there is no way the role of a parent can't be overruled because many of this thing happened during up bringing where the child can't make decisions of it's own , beside our brain most time bend or learn faster in what we see and practicalize on daily basis, that is the reason it's not necessary that parents most time persuade their child but because of the nature of brain have seen what the parents is doing as a skill on regular basis will automatically bends toward it and thereby adopting, I'm that case the parents only assist to make it reality.

I have seen some of my friends whose parents has one skills or the other even at the point if them nit learning the skill can perform effectively very well on their father skill even as it's not there destiny. What most parents do most time is to access their child and see where their Brain bend towards understanding as they observed some of the activities they do on daily basis and assist, but I can't conclude that most parents don't influence but natural what most parents does is guide towards what they observed over there children.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Cryptoprincess101 on April 14, 2024, 06:18:32 AM
Actually you are not far from the truth but I tell you that sometimes the decision of parents also unleash the potentials of their children because without guiding the child thoroughly on how to grow towards the right direction in life, they may be misled. Parents influences the decision of their children but not all their children because their are some that also go against their parent's will and do other things they desire so it is not an authoritative approach by the parents.
You should know that a child cannot continue to become a child forever so at some stages in life, if they are not comfortable with their parent's decision they can still decide on their own destiny so I don't think that parents imposes decisions on their children it just that at that stage they are still under guard till they develop interests on what they want for their selves.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Kelward on April 14, 2024, 10:09:17 AM
Everybody has the rights to choose their career parts in this modern age, nobody should be caged into forcefully choosing the parts that their parents chose for them, because if you fail in a career or skill that is forced on you, then you'll always have the excuse to blame your parents or who forced you. It's mainly wealthy people that wants their children to carry on the legacy of their businesses or talents, maybe a career that they love but couldn't attain, that imposes their perfectly planned Will on their children, not minding if the child naturally has a passion for that career part.

The fact is that some children that have different dreams and aspirations will compromise their choice career, just to please their parents, some will turn out successful while others will be disastrous, so in the end it'll depend on every individual to make something of whatever career that they end up in, whether it's their choice or they find themselves in it for different reasons


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Ndabagi01 on April 14, 2024, 06:24:31 PM
Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.

In families of elite like that, the children born into those families are already birthed into riches, so it will be easy for their parents to convince them that their own path to achieving that wealth was through the means of livelihood they chose and so the children can easily give in. In fewer cases, children from such families are given the right to chose what they want to do and their parents give them all the support they want while in many cases, they just have to follow the footsteps of their parents because the parents think it’ll b easier for the children and easier for them to also groom them into becoming what they wanted. In a normal circumstance, no one should be forced but rather advise or given options when they seek to for one in the path they feel will make them successful in life.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Hewlet on April 16, 2024, 05:59:18 AM
Even though it's right to allow everyone follow thier part in life, while a child is growing up, is knowledge about the society isn't strong enough to have suggested that he can comfortably face a part he wants for himself and work all the way up in the part. At some point, he needs to be guaded and directed on some fundamentals else he misses his part. We've seen children who just love the celebrity lifestyle and decide they want to go into music. Some don't even have the talent but are just after the firm the see that comes from being a popular start and if they are left to follow such part on their own, they might end up missing it big in the later part of life.

Fo kids that are very skilled and obviously talented in a particular craft from a tender age, most of them don't even know that they are all that gifted and the talent might not be all that refined at the early stage and the parent need to be the one that will guide then and help refine thier skills and talent into something tangeable in the real world. What's the issue is when you want to just force your child into fulfilling the dream you weren't able to and even though he isn't interested in following that part, you still go on to force him to following that part. Their is always a balance to whatever we do and so choosing a path to follow isn't just a parents thing or what the child can all by himself. It requires collaboration and the needed support that will see to the actualization of such goal.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Goalbtc on April 16, 2024, 07:34:28 AM
We are living in a society where everyone is entitled to choose his own path of life. Of a truth in time past a child born into a family that is predominantly know for farming eventually follows that path but in recent times even a child born into a family with distinct profession chooses not to toe the line of his parents. For example the children of ex-nigerian international Kanu Nwankwo choose against toeing the line of there father and they are doing well in their choose profession. Furthermore, as an individual i come from a family where everyone is predominantly know for being science professions like surveyor, engineer and mathematician but I became the first to toe the line of art profession because of mine own abilities which further tells us that everyone is entitled to choose his own path.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: johnsaributua on April 20, 2024, 11:02:17 PM
YES it is true that people's interests, abilities and characters are different. If parents give motivation and direction it is because they want the person to have a clear goal and process, because people's passions are different, of course we have the right to choose and pursue it. The big mistake is to impose too much will so that it is uncomfortable and results in the individual acting at will and not infrequently will feel indifferent to his responsibilities.

Even apart from the world of sports, there are such as politics, musicians or state apparatus. Many are like that in my country too. Maybe it's a form of quick response to maintain the popularity and ratings that have been formed in the past from glory to the present :D and continue it even though it's a different generation, it could be ;). It should be like that, so that history and struggle can be remembered.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Obulis on April 21, 2024, 06:31:52 PM

We are influenced directly or indirectly by parents, relatives or any body, in today's life even online the influence continues..
We are not free at all.. Just that sometimes people giving the influence does it with bias mostly parents, with motives that might not necessarily fit in later on...
And this influence do not normally have end. It continues irrespective of age, sex or whatever. The remaining thing is the awakening of this individual to either build on intentionally on this already existing path or create something else...
But this influence done with freewill will not be any far from their reality...



Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: SlowPP on April 22, 2024, 04:23:25 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.

You can't actually force someone of what he dislikes to beginning to like of a sudden, because you can force an horse to the stream but you can't force him to drink water everything is been written in every human foreheads what you gonna become in future and what's yet to become of you,but nowadays people don't want to hear this anymore they only pressured to become what they want you to become,my father can want me to study medicine while I personally don't want to, I chose music . cause music is my life many young youths are into music tho abilities and some character are different everyone as his or her chose and dreams they are after we only pray for our dreams to come true to make our parents proud.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Dunamisx on April 22, 2024, 05:21:50 PM
OP if you say that you disagrees that each person should be responsible for choosing his own path, then who should take that responsibility for us, no matter how it appears on us that we found ourself in, we should never give up and continue in struggle for excellence, we can rewrite anything about our own self, only if we are determined for such, it may cost us, but we can achieve success if we give the demands needed.


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: BADecker on April 22, 2024, 06:36:51 PM
It is said that everyone has the freedom to choose their own path in life, but the reality of today's world is completely different; the most powerful individuals in it now pressure their children to follow in their footsteps. Consider the best footballer in the world like Messi and Ronaldo from a different angle. Their children play football; are you arguing that this is their destiny or that their parents are pressuring them against their will?
 Since the beginning of human history, the world's most powerful family has held distinct perspectives and shaped their offspring's trajectories. A hundred years ago, the best farmers, hunters, drummers, and other professions came from Africa. It was believed that a child born into such a family must have a certain gift from birth and fulfill a certain role in life.

Arnold Vosloo and Charlize Theron come from South Africa, don't they?

But Pavel Durov, the founder of Telegram, and his brother, Nikolai, were born in Russia.

Telegram seems to have 900 million users, because they all want privacy, and freedom. And that is what Pavel and Telegram offer them.

8)


Title: Re: I disagree that each person has the right to choose their own path in life.
Post by: Dzwaafu11 on April 23, 2024, 07:14:00 AM
In a normal society everybody should have the option of pursuing their own dreams & goals. They shouldn’t be restricted in any type of career of lifestyle choices. Religion stops some people doing certain things but it’s not right, we should all be able to freely make our own choices.

Is not that people are not choosing the kind of lifestyle they want to leave or their dream. However, I believe with the fact that you said religion get people restricted from some things even if they want to do it, and this is because this are the things that will no help people lives here,  and after their death. although I don’t know the type of religion you practice that made you said is not right for them to get restricted by their religion, and I don’t know the reason behind this your sentence too, I think religion should control some certain things in our lives to avoid calamity, and some other negative things that will not impact positively in our lives. So for you to say is not right that way I i think you are wrong.