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As the price increases, we are seeing a lot of old accounts reawakening.   Some of them are contacting me asking to remove old trust, as they are a new person, or they are changed.

I will not do this.    Even if I could verify their claims, if you want the benefit of an aged account, you need to deal with the drawbacks as well.

I support this especially when the account was bought and it's shocking how some people are so thick skinned to come and speak of it, when it literally known that the forum  frowned about such acts.

Also I think that you may just observe the account till your specific time, in order to know if such users have actually before removing the tag or simply turn it to neutral tag though depending on the offense of such member but this chance should be given to those accounts that hasn't changed hands.

Unless you have some kind of criteria for trust forgiveness (which ought to be pretty damn stringent), I wouldn't remove any feedback either.  In fact, I've gotten so many of those same requests over the past few years by members who've shown no indication that they've become more trustworthy that I generally just delete them after a brief glance at their trust page.

The price of bitcoin is going up, yes, but it had been higher than it is now not too long ago.  There must be some new campaigns running that are drawing all the alt account idiots out of the woodwork.  The last time I saw that happen (massively, I might add) was the last time Yobit started a campaign.

Good on you for sticking to your principles, Vod.

When an old account reawakens it makes me feel like the account was hacked or sold. For those reasons, I would not remove a tag either. If it was someone who posted they are taking a break for awhile, and they signed a message from an old address, I might consider it being as they might prove they are the real owner. Other then that, I would tell everyone else sorry.

One can carry out at action on the forum even with a red tag on the account. They can freely discuss the price and share ideas with other members, the rating won't show on many major discussion boards. If they are only interested in getting into signature campaigns after years of inactivity then the account most likely have changed hands.

I believe in reevaluating tags after sometime has passed to know if it can be changed to a neutral tag or removed completely, but this should be done using a determined criteria and consistently across all active accounts

They are probably hacked or sold accounts that changed hands, but I would first check if they changed email address and/or account password, along with their post history.

I wouldn't make statements that I would never change my trust feedback for any member, since there are rear genuine cases, but I certainly don't like when I receive PM's like this.  :P

Taking over an old red trusted account and asking for the feedback to be removed is even far worse. The audacity by some people!  ;D
I would never remove such feedback.

Also, just waking up and asking for forgiveness after being inactive for years doesn't help.

I would only give a second chance to a member who made some minor offenses, got red trusted but remained active for some years and changed or showed some change in character.

If the person wants me to remove the red trust, I will tell him that I will remove it but based on two criteria. The first is that he will let me monitor his account for weeks to know if truly he has actually changed. The second is that he is going to sign a message with his bitcoin address and put today's date or he can go for PGP encryption if he has a PGP public key on this forum. If he pass both, I will consider him.

But red trust can be different. There are some red trust that I can not remove. Example is someone that I tagged red for scam attempt. I can not remove that type of red trust.

Scammers probably have a calendar to track such things on their many alts.   ;)

Many old accounts have changed hands, I met several old bitcointalk members who had accounts from 2014 to 2016 and they have sold their accounts. Some of these accounts have received negative trust and some are still active today

Those who ask to remove their negative tags, who have a long period of time, most often have several alternative accounts. It is easy to guess that if a person cannot simply leave the forum after receiving a negative tag, his next step will be to register a new account. Their problem is raising their rank, which they probably did easily before the introduction of merit systems. That is why such requests arise. But the merit system works great, precisely at weeding out such characters who once screwed up and are unable to create something new.

I've only had one request years ago (that I can remember), but I didn't leave that much negative feedback. My response: open a topic in Reputation. If the community agreees, I'll reconsider. But if the community agrees with the red, chances are you'll get more.

I can only see 3 reasons that people would want to have the red removed.
1) They are going to scam with the hopes that since it was an old account people would trust it more. In which case the trust should stay.

2) They want to sell the account. In which case the trust should stay.

3) They want to legitimately sell things that they have from years ago. In which case, they trust should stay since it's really not an obstacle since people can always use escrows.

-Dave

I think the only reason someone would want to remove the neg trust is so he can join the campaign

Considering the amount of accounts that are out there for sale I would think it would be easier to just buy another one that is 'good' in order to join a campaign as opposed to trying to fix one with bad trust.
But that is just my view, I could be wrong.

Either way, I don't think a lot of people are going to remove negative trust without seeing an improvement on the account in question.

-Dave

Some PMs are also aimed at me, of course they have reasons for that, but I'm not easy to persuade in that 'poor thing, please delete the trust' nonsense.

Some of them I successfully integrated, they said I bought the account with trust (red) for $--- hope you can give me neutral, delete trust red, As you say the price increases, there is a greater possibility of wanting to seek rewards and get into big campaigns.

@Vod, I'll ignore that PM, as you did, I'll treat things the same here, in general.

Last night I remembered what I used to do here. 

I used to tell them to ask me again in three months.  Many would log off for the 3 months.   So then I started asking them to communicate to the forum how scamming/lying/whatever they did was wrong.  Just one post!  I don't think any of them ever bothered to follow up and get the trust removed.

It's all about the path of least resistance for these guys.

We have no idea of what goes on in the minds of each and every one of us in the Forum, fine they can be of good behavior but how can we tell? I feel 80% of those asking you to remove the old trust that they have "changed" are just lies to get back their shit together to continue from where they stopped and the other 20% might be for real, give them a test.
If some how you want to change your mind OP I'd tell you for free that it would be a hard decision to make, second chance might make you regret or make you smile that you made the right decision, is a two way thing. Just seek for some advise from some of those prominent members.

Might as well call them undead accounts if they've been resurrected :)

Who know that most of those accounts have been sold to someone else and that someone else might be trying to make those accounts functional once again.

If the old accounts that have red tags then no one trust those accounts but if their reg tags are removed then they may be considered more reliable as they have joined the forum in its early days.

Such accounts can be controlled by scammers who might get many newbies scammed with the help of their old ranked accounts.

Vod, the levels that some persistent scammers will go to in order to achieve their goals makes the mind boggle. In many cases they will try to contact some members that have left feedback, I know this because I have been contacted in the past by several accounts (mostly with a sob story) asking for the trust/feedback to be revised.

There is also a possibility that the account has traded hands and the new buyer is the one that is trying to have the feedback removed in the hope it could be enrolled on a signature campaign one day.

This is a decision that can be made when you not thinking of what they did in the past OP and they can be a different being but is hard to tell. See it this way, that they're asking for your forgiveness like giving them a second chance, to me I'd say forgive them and remove whatever tag you placed on them and that can happen base on the crime they committed in the past, anyone that have a very bitter offense you let the punishment continue but if the offense is worth forgiven, you let it go.

Why would buying an account ever be acceptable in the first place.

Who in their right mind, would be lazy enough to presuppose the reputation of a previous owner of a failed business?

Stupidity!

You nailed it, obviously scammers can go any length to try to find their way through, I go with you that the majority of this pm could come from scammers or accounts which have changed hands, and I commend the op for sticking to his rules, in fact, this move by the red tagged accounts to pm you in the first place to me looks suspicious, and even though op should consider such requests to remove the tags, the account should/must have shown a good behavior on his return or resumption of activities for a period of which will warrant such requests to be granted.

I'm not in support of buying of account but who's going to stop it in the first place? Nobody can tell if the next man is about to purchase an account or if there's a place they do get these sold account, is something we have to live with.
Never forget that we have many members who don't just open an account for the main purpose, come online make a post earn some merit do something positive that no one has done even teach people more about Bitcoin, share ideas depending on the topic, they open an account just to sell it and make gain. The buyer seems to forget that it won't last, they'd face the music by answering some questions like how, when, what and who gave you the account, they don't mind the reputation of whosoever sold the account to them, is not stupidity they call it business, it can't be stopped.