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Is there any penalty resultant of a bitcointalk forum memeber to double Cross in accessing and also contributing to foreigners local board discussions?
I thought of this because the pool of knowledge and learning is being way too broad and versatile which possibly I think that interested forum memeber can as well visit some foreigners local board and acquire some fact of knowledges maybe even have something profitable to contribute to the board as concerned.

I know I'll be next question how is it possible to cope with the foreigners local board since they specifically speaks their native language. So there I'll suggest using the translator and how about someone who has basic skills to be fluent with the language?
I'm just being optimistic about this because right in my local board, there are interesting discussions going right there which is not discussed in the general boards so I think we can as much also acquire to enhance our aspirations with our bitcoin investment and as well adopt some profitable everyday life lessions at the foreigners local boards.

Just a thought and hope that doesn't have room for breaking the forums policies and no penalty resultant?

No penalty if you know how to speak and write their local. If you are using a translator, you violate one of the rules of Bitcointalk.

The thing is if you speak and understand the language of other boards than you own local boards then it is not a problem to interact with them. We have seen reputable members frequently engaging in different local boards because they understand the language used there. Should you also find a thread or post worthy in a local board you can use translator to translate it for your personal consumption. What is prohibited is using translator to communicate within that local board. It shows you don’t speak that language and you don’t belong there

@OP even though there's stated the forum didn't allow to use google translator, but the reality it's allowed.

But, make sure your post is genuine, not shitposting.

Example you're a Brazilian, you travelled to Korea and you want to ask how to use Bitcoin ATMs in Korea, you're allowed to use google translator.

But if your intention is to become a fake native speaker by using google translator, it's not allowed.

Visiting, accessing a foreign local board with Read mode is different than contributing for that foreign local board with your posts.

You can use translation tools for reading, there is no harm to do that, no penalty from forum rules if you do that.

It's not easy to communicate with foreigners in a language you are not familiar with, not proficient enough to read and communicate in writing. If you want to learn that language and the condition to start in this forum, is you already have kind of basics about that language, it's not prohibited for any member to read and write in a foreign local board.

Issues only occur if you use translation tools to make your posts, because it means you don't learn that language and don't practice to improve yourself. It will become spamming, merit fishing, getting post quota. Your posts will be reported, deleted and your account will be banned.

As stated in the forum rules using a translator to post in local boards is prohibited. I’m not sure what the interest is in local boards where you do not understand their language or culture. Someone made a similar topic a few days ago. You should read it:
 [Question] In Regards to using translators on local boards  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5493609.msg63971163#msg63971163) 

I saw a similar thread from a week ago although, it was centered on participation using translators in events where you’ve been notified of a quote or something.

I think the forum remains OP to all once you can speak the language. I think it’s one means to identify with a local board and especially, when what affects them affects you.

No, there is no penalty, and I'm sure there are members here who can read and understand other language too.


Well you can use a translator. And if you go to local boards, you can see that some gambling platforms have post their sites there and it's obvious that it came from a translator. But there is no penalty there. And we can understand that they just wanted to post and promote their casinos.

And for sure if there are some mistakes, then the local can call it and they are going to easily correct that 'lost in translations' post.

As long as a particular board is not off limits to you, you are totally free to visit the board. This forum is an open place as long as you don't break any rules. I myself visit other local boards to read some quality posts that are not available on the general board. However I don't make any comments or posts in local boards where I can't speak their local language. This is because it is against the forum rules to create a post on a local board using a translation service like Google translate.
This is because such a post can be considered a copied one (plagiarism)since you were not the sole writer of it. Also translation done using services like Google translate can sometimes give wrong information by misplacing a few words after the translation. This in turn can sometimes make the post kind of vague after the translation.

Most of the time usually the post will deleted.
But in some case, the user can received a neutral or even negative feedback.

Moderators can ban someone too, probably there's also a chance the local moderators will give temporary ban, although I have never see it.

Translating your own words doesn't make your considered as committing plagiarism. It's committing plagiarism if you create the post using tools i.e. ChatGPT.

Majorly it is not a problem for u to contribute in another country local board once u have understood what they are discussing that is to say that u understand de country language but if u don't forget it bcos u are not allowed to use Google translator to translate the country lang

No local board will not love to welcome meaningful contributions from anyone outside their local so long as the member can fluently speak/write in their local language. Understanding is a key to good communication and provided you can understand and the receivers in that local board can also understand what you're writing without difficulty then you're good to go.

Op, to cope in what way? It is called a local board for a reason, and if you are not fluent in the local language of such board that's when you'll be having problems with coping. So wisdom demands you don't go there at all.

Using translator is I think is not in line with forum's rules. If you're so interested in any local board language, there are apps you can use to learn any foreign language, apps like Duolingo and Babbel can be useful, just go to google or apple playstore and download for use.

Those boards are mearnt for users to interact with each other & for all I know we have people that can speak and write in several languages which isn't against the forum , and not being fluent in a language is acceptable as it's a way of learning the language as far as I know, but I believe when you use this to use this to your advantage for gigs such as translation jobs and your language interaction isn't fluent then this is as good as defrauding the other party which will put you in trouble for sure..

It is all down to interests. There is usually no purpose for a user to want to join a discussion of a local group who are living a different reality from his and speaking the same language. If you happen to be living in the country and cannot yet speak the language you have some interest in the discussions and can technically be allowed to communicate there, it'll also be a tool to learn the language quicker.

But someone who has no interest in that region, wasn't mentioned or quoted in a conversation and cannot speak the language should not join discussions there.

- Jay -

Only a promiscuous person will engaged doing that, you're free to go there merits, read and contribute there as long as you understand their language, but not that when you're an American claiming you're African, that is uncalled for, we are free to contribute at any board as long as we have something to offer, from Nigerian local board, we do receive some non Nigerians meriting posts and some contributing as well in the normal English language they understand apart from the local pidgin which they may not understand, all that is needed is for someone to be plain and truthful to himself.

Of course you'll be slammed with a penalty for using an automated tool.

The rule only frowns at the use of automated tools for writing, but it doesn't say if you're bilingual or multi lingual you shouldn't interact in two or more local boards. So if you're fluent in a particular language, you are free to interact with the locals as long as you do not use a translator. Also, have it at the back of your mind that if you try to play any tricks, you will be caught and penalized.

I have seen threads where some reputable members encourage people to translate their posts into other languages. I must confess that most of these posts are enlightening and deserve such translation into other languages. You can translate your post or contribute to other local boards but it should be relevant and without the use of a translator.

But reading with the aid of a translator is not against forum rules. The OP also said that he has basic knowledge about other languages which could help him in posting in such local board.

There is no limitations to any board of the forum because there are also users from different countries that reside and earn a living outside their country and sometimes the get used to the common language over there and they can make contributions and also visit such local board so far as they know about discussions going on and can give their own opinion to discussions over there in the common language but just like other users stated, using translators just to maneuver to other local board is against the forum rules.

Thanks for sharing this rule as I forgot it a long time but fortunately never broke it hehe, well this is a good reply to your (OP) question. I also once tried to visit other local boards like the Russia, and tried Google translator to understand what they are talking about but translators are not so helping because locals talk informally, and besides Russia, I visited Bangladesh thread as well, It was also hard to understand their discussion using a translator.

I visited India and Nigeria threads, they were easily understandable without a translator and AFAIK I may have made any posts but I think I didn't (ahh my memory is not so good now) well, the point is, we can make post in other threads, but as act has said we should not use the translator and if we will use they can easily be caught, thanks OP for asking this question as this has reminded me some facts and rules.

You are allowed to join in the discussion on any local board as long as you have the ability to express your thoughts and understand what has been discussed. And if you say you need the help of translator then you have no reason to join in the discussion at all, translator doesn't even do the job on the basic level and usage of such tools will get you banned temporarily or permanently.

Luckily there are many local boards here have discussions in the English language itself, so if you have anything to say in it then don't hesitate.

The local boards indeed contain many valuable discussions and topics that may be exclusive. However, why not visit these foreign local boards to try to learn their languages and understand and read what they write in their native language using one of the tools without attempting to contribute and engage with them in the discussions using automatic translation tools? Because your contributions are at a rate of 90%, it will be incomprehensible to some, as these tools are useless and violate the forum's rules.

If you have your own local board, you can participate in its discussions. You can continue these discussions until the end, answer their questions easily, and express your opinions that everyone there will understand without your posts looking spammy. Regardless of the local boards, English is the main language understood by everyone here, and undoubtedly, in multiple forum sections, you will find these discussions in English, and you can contribute to them.

As far as i know, if those country are not english speaking locality then you have to avoid them, you can read post from there with a translator but you must not use translator to reply there because you aren't going to write as the native speaker does. So whatmore?
If you find any local board post you wish to intrude on what they are saying here, I will say create a topic at the english board and quote it over there so that people can use english to discussed about deeply than you compromising yourself by trying to involved yourself in all local board just to have their discussions. So to avoid much drama don't involve yourself with other local board by posting there rather pick an interesting discussion over there make it with a topic in the english board.

You are free to visit any local board, whether you understand the language or not;
You are only allowed to discuss in the boards you are fluent with their language;
This is to minimise spam and low quality posts;
If there are interesting threads in your local board that is not in general forum, you can translate such thread to the general forum.

There's nothing wrong in accessing and contributing to other local boards but you must do it without a translator. If it's a board you understand and can write on, go ahead with that. You aren't breaking any rule here. I've gone through a few local board discussions in the past because of some posters I was following so I could see how they also wrote in their local boards. There's that prompt at the bottom of local boards with option of translating whatever language to English language. I used that to understand whatever that was discussed but I never dared to post in them because that would be me using translator for it, and that's breaking a rule here.

Hmm that's pretty good to discuss it...
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, if you know how to write the language of the local board, then there is no problem in joining the conversations of these people. Yes, there is a point that the rules of BitcoinTalk must be followed, i.e., palagrasim or trnslate posts are prohibited, Apart from this, you have open permission, and can present your position in the thread of the local board. Because this is one of the contributions that members make to each other, that is, discussion on the topic. Respond in his local language.
 
I have seen many well-reputable members who are consistently engaging with the local board and contributing to it. In this regard, our moderator, Sir Xal0lex, who is a very capable and efficient member of BTT, regularly replays every member in our Pakistan Thread in local language, although he is not an Urdu native, he is able to do so in his local language according to his ability for which we are very grateful to Xal0lex, he keeps guiding us on every topic.

Currently there is Google Translate that we can use to make posts in other languages that we never use at all. It's not a problem if it doesn't deviate from the original topic, but if the person is careless and makes a post that goes off topic, just report the member to moderators, there is a report button below.

hope that is not a violation though. there are translate to English add-ons in our browsers these days.

the Nigerian local board writes their text in English which most probably everyone here had once tried replying. if they were just writing their local language or Fench i think we would not try to reply to their threads. and also they have interesting topics especially because a lot is going on in that country related to cryptocurrency. most of the time, we can relate.

Never thought this rule really existed actually  so surprised  that  i didn't
even noticed it all along  but I need to ask a question about using this translator tool outside the local board section to reply a question  that's written  in a local language, does the rules  hold outside the LB section to avoid making any silly mistakes  which might eventually  earn a ban for a user :P ....

There is no problem with that, just don't derail threads and posts randomly as if you're part of their actual local community. It's okay to ask and respect the local boards as they've got rules as well but in general, the forum rules are in effect.

The rule is the rule. If you're a local and you want to translate something outside LB or from LB, do it with your capacity and not with any translation tool to avoid any problem.

Exactly. If you are good in other foreign boards and you have brilliant ideas to share with others, then why not? Posting to other local boards is not prohibited, but posting on your own local board using any translator is a big violation in the forum. Otherwise, if you are consistently known doing this, you will be out in the forum in no time. Being aware of this will definitely help you stay in the forum longer, as long as you want.

There are certain rules in the forum that must be obeyed and must not be violated, one of which is rule number 27 (Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg7955645#msg7955645)) which does not allow using automatic translation just to post translated content on Local boards. As long as you master a local language other than your own, there is no problem if you want to have integrity with members from other local boards.

I take the example of the thread created by GazetaBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5379715.0) and fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230761), due to being hampered by other local languages, they asked other members for help in translating their best posts on different local boards to expand quality posts while also helping other members who are still hampered by languages other than their mother tongue. Your ability to master several other local languages can make it easier for you to express quality content on different boards, as long as other members can read and understand the contents of your posts, there is no penalty for you.

Well what I know about this from all what I have read about the rules is that you must be able to speak the language and if you are good in the language then you can simply chip in their conversation and feel among, it's simple as ABC but there is particular rule in the community that prohibits google translate or any tools used for translation and besides it's always very different to write in language that you fluent even the translator makes some error sometimes.

Even if each country does not have a separate local board, each country has its own child board. If there is a child board, the members of that country should be posted in the local section of that country. If I am a citizen of a different country and post in another country, but I have to use translate in posting, but in that case, I cannot fully express my thoughts. If I can't fully express my thoughts, then the post will not be self-fulfilling at all.

Thanks for this clarification, because I've often wondered that if a forum member wants to ask a genuine crypto related question in a foreign local board, probably planing to travel to the country or is infact in the country, that the barrier of not using translator to post in foreign languages will be a disadvantage. It's good to know that there's a clause to breaking the rules of posting in a board that you can't speak and write in their local language, it's only allowed if it's an important question that perhaps concerns your crypto transaction in their country.

I've always known that this forum is very organized and the reason for breaking a rule when you post in a foreign local board  is so you not to spam their board, but exceptions to the rule is when you're asking a genuine question that you need help from the locals.

If they are multi lingual then its fine for people to visit multiple boards since everyone has a freedom to do what they want here. But if you are not a native speaker and you are just been amazed on how they circulate their merit on that local boards then maybe you should leave them alone. Since you will just create some mess especially if you really only on google translate.

If you want to contribute something go to your local board since I think for this that is the right venue to show some concern about something you want to share and help other people.

Its better not to cross board if you can't fully understand them since respecting each boundaries is important although there are times that we really want to help and for sure there's a lot of native speakers in forum will do that.

That's right, I also thought about this topic. And a question for the OP: haven’t you read the other threads in this section?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5493609.msg63972002#msg63972002

Why ask self-evident questions? Sometimes it seems that for a character like you, it doesn’t matter what you create a topic about; the main thing is to flash before your eyes. But if you lack logic, answer by thinking: how can I or someone else be prohibited from visiting the local section of a language direction that is not ours? Accordingly, if you speak the language of the local section that interests you, you can communicate freely; if not, then the mistakes that Google Translator makes will be visible to native speakers, and they have the right to complain about you. This is a violation.

As most people already suggested, it does not make any sense if you don't understand their local language, there is no reason for going there, the reason why there is local language is for other people to be able to express themselves freely and contribute without having language barrier, English is the most common and general official language, but not everyone understands it, they can engage on a discussion from the local board they belong to and freely communicate and discuss ideas without stress, but for a person that does not belong there, its nothing than violation as been said already by other members.

I think, you can make a contribution in other local board when you know how to write and speak their language, because they will not know that you are not from their country and there is no rules against that in the Bitcointalk. Local board are made for newbies to use their language to learn cryptocurrency from their local board to improve in the forum, because it will be very easy for legendary and hero members to make their newbies to understand some of the things they need to know in the local board to display quality post. But don't go other local board to mense up their local board or to make their local board have some negative record with your contribution, because they will not know that you are not from the local board, because you can speak their language and write which is happening in some local board which is not good to destroy others local board just because you know how to speak their language and write.

You can make a lot of valuable posts in your local board, as much as you can also learn to visit other foreign local boards and learn from their discussion. That is a good way to become familiar as well with their own language, or start learning as to how their foreign local boards discussion goes.

However, knowing English language is the universal language, everyone is expected to easily understand even in foreign local boards as long as you are also good in using English language. With that, if you can contribute meaningful insights to their own topics or threads, then the more reason that we should also start posting on other foreign local boards.

Using a translator when posting in local boards are strictly prohibited. Otherwise, you might get banned in the forum without notice. However, if you tend to post to some other foreign local boards and explore their type of discussion and eventually learn from them, that is not discouraged in the forum. There are really these type of people who are still more fluent with other languages, and that’s quite an edge to some other forum members. And as long as you never take it for your own advantage, then you’re good to continue posting in the forum.

No you can as long as you understand the language and can communicate back fluently in that language. No penalty for that in the forum but translators are prohibited for posting on those local boards but you can use one to learn from their discussions there, is is better for you especially if it’s an impactful discussion going on there.


What I have seen in this regard is that, the post of some members in the general board are asked by the OP’s of those thread that members of other local boards can help them translate into their local language, so that members of their local board can benefit from the information they’re trying to pass.

In some countries, they have more than one language used, but not all members of this forum come from that country, so i personally feel that members who post in their foreign language and use Google Translation without urgent needs are a nuisance.  Giving a strong warning at the start is a wise decision, but if it continues, banning is the best thing to do.

i'm sure all the members here have their own local language, if you really want to maintain the cleanliness of your local thread then report moderators, annoying foreign members and going off topic.

We can visit other local boards and can join their discussions if we fully understand their language but if we just use a translation tool, we better not do it. Not because it was not allowed or if there is a penalty but it is just like showing respect to them. Honestly, it was hard to keep using a translator board for the sake of communicating with other people.

I ask you a question, what is the main reason for doing this? Because I don't believe it is just to discuss with them about Bitcoin investment as it was already discussed in your local board as well.

Anyway, I hope that OP got the answer already.

Everyone is free to visit and post on other local boards, provided that you also understand their medium of instruction so that you can maximize the ideas you want to share, as well as you also learn from their own insights and ideas. But when it comes to hiring a translator in order to create a good communication, that’s already breaking the rule of the forum. If you think you aren’t good enough using other language, then just stick on your own local board. If you really are a good poster, you can attract merits without entering other local boards and violating the forum rules.

Correct. That's better, we have been given our own local board facility in the language we use every day of course. maximize it and be an active person on the local board, helping each other and communicating there. If you want to get information from outside, you can visit the global board so you can get newer information which can later be distributed to the local board. instead of forcing it to another local board using a translator, the results of which actually confuse the users there. If this happens frequently, it is not impossible that your posts will be reported to moderators and marked as spam.

If they would help the other board since he think its been outdated already and almost all people are inactive then yes maybe its fine to go on those boards. But if the target is to join there then spam a lot of spam threads to aim for merits then this is not really so good.

We all know here that there are active local boards where people are also active sharing merits to their fellow countrymen and I guess this is what they target that's why this people think about crossing their board to try their luck if there's some people will give them merit if they post something there. Merit drought on some local boards is maybe the reason why other people try think about going to another languages since maybe they think its more faster to rank up there rather staying on their almost dead local sections.

Is a good thing the forum doesn't allow translators to be used in joining discussion on the local board because it would had spoiled the flow of discussion on the board as translated discussion will always be different from when a native speaker of the language is writing and spammers would had used that opportunity to spam activities for their account and spoiled the local board. Hunting for merits on local board that have excessive inflow of merit would had also been a problem. If anyone thinks there's so much knowledge on a particular local board and he wants to be a part of that then he should go and learn how to read, write and speak the language before participating in discussion on the local board.

Local board are meant for discussion that are associated with the locals on the board so if you aren't from their country, topics being discussed there should have little or no concerns to you. We have enough English board that are available to English speakers to be a part of, we should let the locals have their space.

There is no rule that says we can’t post in other foreign local boards, most especially if we are highly skilled using other languages and we get to understand every detail on it using that certain language. But, if you end up using an effective translator, that alone will put your account into possible warning that may get into being banned if you do it more consistently. Know the rules first before you create such actions, in order to keep your existence in the forum quite longer and productive.

It's not a problem, understanding the language is important. If you understand the language, you can definitely go to the local section of another country and read the posts of that local section as well as reply to them. If you understand the language of another country and if you post in the local section of that country, then by posting in that language, you must write below that you are not a citizen of that country but you are a citizen of another country. If you just want to go to all other sections and read the posts then you don't have to do anything but if you are posting in other local section you should mention this at the end of the post then you should have no problem.

It may already be happening and we don’t know it yet. It could also be that some members have discovered that certain local boards can be used to farm merits hence the interest in joining these local boards.

Lol we both know that’s not happening. This will only give room to people using google translators.

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I second that. This is the second thread I’ve read this week about using translators in local boards. I don’t understand the interest in local boards that are alien to you. Have the general boards become so boring that we have to go into different local boards and join discussions there? IMO I don’t think it’s a local board if just anyone can post there.

so true. Actually, it doesn't matter, but first look at the main goal of passing to another local board, whether you really want to help there or just want to get merit.

If the main goal is to help colleagues there, that's certainly very good. What's more, this is a public forum, everyone can go anywhere and anywhere without any restrictions. Also keep in mind, usually each country has its own unique characteristics and regulations on their local board. It's better before joining the local board, we have to read the rules and then contribute well and wisely there.

There is no penalty for having conversation across various local boards. The main aim of local boards is to share information and good knowledge of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies across the forum including members that cannot speak or understand English language; since the forum’s official language is English language, local boards are created to help people that cannot speak English to get good information in their own local languages.

If you can speak the language in the local board, you can interact with them and share your thoughts and some information you feel is necessary in the discussion if you can speak their language.