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I know some of you noticed that some of the threads or topics from the gambling discussion section were moved to the off-topic section. Well, I haven't experienced having any of my posts moved to the off-topic section. I just want to ask, if this has already happened to you, does your signature campaign manager still count or pay for posts that have been moved to the off-topic section?

Those posts will simply not be counted.

1. By the time the CM counts posts, he won't know if the post was originally posted in off-topic or just moved there. Considering off-topic board is an ignored board, forget about the posts there.

2. Signatures are not displayed in that board. So what's the point of counting posts whose signatures are not displayed. I hope you are aware that you are advertising a brand on your signature and not just making a given post count to get paid.

Obviously, they're not.

The title might be related to gambling but if it's not on the gambling board and it's on the off topic, they won't be counted by the managers since it's written on the rules of the campaign.

Nope, signatures are visible there. It's the Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower where signatures aren't displayed.

Most campaign managers don't count off topic posts and if you make any comments on a post and it get moved to the off topic board it means that comments have become invalid for payment,  unless some campaign that pays spammers such as when 1xbit campaign was around they pay basically everything since they aim was to spam the forum.

We have the same manager and according to his rules, it shouldn't count.

One of the few times those posts get paid is when the threads stay long enough in the gambling section before getting moved to the off-topic section.

I'm one of the few who experienced it recently, and it's why I sometimes look back at my post history because this situation also happens on other boards.

If I'm not mistaken, almost all managers don't count off-topic posts.

I experienced a few weeks ago when I reached 25 weekly posts and then there was a topic on the gambling board moved off topic and the post was not counted by the manager so I myself did not meet the minimum weekly post.

Even now some managers post in altcoin discussions also not counted.

How would they know that it came from gambling boards and just moved to off-topic. Now if the thread title is obvious, still it wouldn't count. If the post count is the reason, i would suggest to at least make extra 2-3 posts if the requirement is fixed number of post per week is required, say 25 posts, for you to receive your payment.

My signature campaign does not count off-topic posts. That's a clear rule. There is no rule which says off-topic posts which were originally made on another board or section shall be counted. As such, it doesn't matter whether your posts were originally made in the gambling discussion section or elsewhere. What matters is that by the time the manager counts your posts, he/she won't include those in the off-topic board. If the post was moved right after the counting, then it won't anymore matter. The counting has already been done.

My campaign manager only count gambling posts that moved to Off-topic during that week (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389974.msg63916838#msg63916838), after that it's back to normal where Off-topic won't be counted.

Easy, just check on Ninjastic.space

https://imgvb.com/images/2024/04/24/c531bd73138b7ee64aa31a6079c1a800.png

Here's the thread that already moved to Off-topic section No interest in gambling if there is no profit or fun to be accountable. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491201.0)

The campaign aims to generate more views, so posts are paid for in the gambling board and not off-topic. If you create them in the gambling and they are moved to another section, the views will be in the other board and poster in that board may not be interested in gambling, so it is natural that you will not be paid for that post.

The signature is visible in the off-topic section, and it doesn't count because there are mostly pointless discussions that nobody reads.

Whoever asks the question about counting posts that have been moved to off-topic should think about the purpose and quality of their posts. If your discussion is marked as irrelevant, your performance for the brand you promote in your signature is likely miserable. Only by the grace of the manager are these things partially tolerated.

Later we see a surprise when a campaign closes because it did not get adequate results.

I'm sure no manager counts posts this way. Participant's posts must be in qualified places when they're counted.

If the campaign does not pay for off-topic posts, then they are not going to counted, very simple.

It does not matter if the original post was in some other section, if the moderation decides to move it, there is remains as final for then. Hence try to evaluate if the thread matter is actually on topic or not, if it is not and your posting quota is not complete, reconsider posting a reply to the OP.

Regarding accidental finding outs of posts having been moved to Offtopic, it generally helps to recheck the posts in the last posting session every two or three days so you can add up more posts if such threads have been moved recently before the deadline is reached.

Not at all. If you're referring to directly posted in off topic section and if indicated in the campaign rules that off topic post is not eligible for paid post, of course campaign manager won't pay that post.

But if the post is originally from gambling discussion and moved to off topic section their might be a consideration from the campaign manager like what happened to @Plaguedeath. He got paid even the post is moved to off topic section.

For those who monetize each of their posts, it would be the right step to be more attentive to newly created topics and to guess whether this or that topic belongs to the corresponding section. It is also unlikely that in the conditions of signature companies, there will be conditions for accepting “off-topic” posts, so it is logical to think that posts simply go into activity. However, such a pedantic approach to the forum, which only reveals financial interest, is not very welcomed by the community. My opinion is to respond to topics if you have something to say, but under no circumstances should you regret missed or unrecorded posts.

It won't be counted as most signature campaign manager will not allow it. And so with that the best thing to do is,

• post more than what your campaign requirements are, if it says 20, then post 22 or 23, it wouldn't hurt you that extra post. And it so in cases like this, post being moved to off-topic then at least you still have buffer post
• usually if the post is not gambling related, i.e. there are topics about some neighbors or friends getting addicted and asking what the community advises, then it should not be in gambling boards . Then think twice before replying as this might be moved by the mods or someone reported it as off-topic post
  

Personally, I haven't noticed did any of my posts were moved to Off-topic and actually, I'm not really bothered about it. If you're concerned about your campaign, I suggest you to ask your campaign manager. But IMO, there shouldn't be a question. If campaigns clearly states that they're not paying for posts in Off-topic, you shouldn't expect to get paid for posts that were moved. No matter that you originally posted it in Gambling board. Well, unless posts were moved already after you got paid.

Posts that are moved to off topic will not be counted, it's almost like every off topic manager will be excluded because it is a rule in the campaign.

Except when the manager has counted your post after a few hours of the post being moved to off topic then usually the manager will still count it.

But that's what I noticed, if it's still not clear then you need to ask your manager.

Why don't you make sure something like that doesn't happen by not stopping to post as soon as you reach 20 or 25 posts that week (whatever the count is). In that case, even if several of your posts were to be deleted or moved to a board where they don't count, you would still have more than enough to get paid. I often have 10 or more posts above the weekly count.

That's something you would have to talk to your campaign manager about. I have never been in a signature campaign where off-topic posts counted. Now, if you are usually a good poster who doesn't have many deleted posts or those that get moved to off-topic, the manager might turn a blind eye if it happens once or twice. If it becomes a recurring thing, then the problem is on you. Before posting in a thread in the Gambling sub, consider if the topic is gambling-related. Check if the other posts are on topic and related to both the OP and gambling in general. If not, stay away from it as the mods might move/delete it.

We have to respect the rules of the campaign manager if the time of his counting some of your posts are moved in off-topic then don't expect to get paid but if after the counting you get paid then you are good.

As part of a campaign, we should be aware that our posts can be moved, deleted, or not counted so the best thing to do even if you only need 25 posts and you already reached it and you have a day or two just continue posting and post naturally.
And check if the discussion has a big probability to be moved in the off-topic.

By default, any company won't count the posts whose signatures aren't displayed. So the manager won't count your post there because they aren't actually paying for your post; they are paying for the visibility of their signature ads. So every manager adds these points to their rules, though each manager has different rules and terms. When I was managing the signature campaign, I wasn't accepting posts where the signature wasn't visible. So before joining the campaign, you must read the rules. If, during the post count, the thread where you replied moved to the off-topic section, then it will be considered an off-topic post. It doesn't matter where you made the post. 

Signatures are actually visible in the Off-topic section. So the reason why posts made in the Off-topic section won't be counted is not that signatures aren't visible there. It's more likely because the Off-topic section is probably one of the least visited sections. It might also be one of the sections with low activity. Also, since the section isn't really focused on a certain topic or field, not even directly related to Bitcoin or crypto, there probably aren't loyal posters.

I've been through a lot of signature campaigns and the majority of campaign managers, discourage people from creating topics or posting on threads that will likely land off-topic, it's not good for the product or services they are promoting as off-topic sections do not generate views and traffic.

The Majority of my posts landed on off-topic sections so some of my posts are not counted, I understand this and I cannot argue on this issue, because that's the rule of the campaign and there's no exception as long as you are part of the campaign.

We have no control over this and we just have to continue posting naturally and pick the topics that are relevant to the category where the posts are counted.

Most of the signature campaign managers that I've worked with do not count these posts as valid. If within the week, your posts are still in the gambling section and was moved to off-topic at the start of the next week, those posts are still paid and will not affect your post count on the next week. It makes their work a lot easier, plus, if it's something that isn't considered a gambling thread, why would they even pay for it anyway? It's not helpful for the service to pay for posts that are considered off-topic and may even be bad for their promotion overall.

Just think lf this, why would a company pay for a product that doesn't meet their requirement and criteria? They'd be losing money if they do that since anyone can introduce their product and the company will just pay for it anyway.

This is always a tricky part on the recent mass moving of gambling related post in off topic because technically speaking those topic is indeed gambling topics. The reason why it moves to off topic is probably due to recycled content that is more worthy to be locked or move to thrash can rather than put on off topic since it’s really not an off topic on gambling board.

I don’t have much post on this moved topic since it’s noticeable what kind of topic which the mods don’t like.

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@OP probably you are looking on previous week campaign spreadsheet and check someone post history that has an off topic to it that will not meet the quota for that time. The answer is already mention by some user, those post was on gambling board the time manager counts it. It probably just moved after the post count for that week.

That's a very good point, despite the visibility of the campaign signature there, most campaign managers (if not all) clearly state that they will not count the posts in that section which I do not think is cool. The main reason why this persisted is that there are so few activities in this section of the forum, but this must have been aggravated further the reason the section is less attractive due to the lack of appreciation there by the CMs.

Think of it, if campaign managers start making the posts in the section count today, you can imagine the increased traffic the section will garner within a short period. The fact that it's a section with many discussions is a good reason why people may visit it and locate what they feel to reply to therein.

When I read the title, I thought you were going to ask someone different from what you have asked. For your question, it is obvious that campaign managers don't count off topic posts. But, I have heard some users complain to me how some managers deny them payment maybe because one out of their 25 posts for the week was moved to off topic. You know the campaigns that doesn't pay per post, they only pay when you meet a certain post requirement. My only advice to them is they should make posts above the requirements incase of off topics and deletion. But I don't think it's so nice that someone is denied payment just because of 1 off topic post.

A post that has been moved to off topic is as if it was written there. I don't think my manager when he counts posts stops to think if the ones in off topic have been moved there or were originally written there. So no, I don't think he pays for posts moved to off topic.

Some campaign manager is very strict when it comes to post quota. Missing 1 post will cause you to missed pay day for that week especially during the time when the moderator on gambling board do a massive thread move to off-topic board.

Luckily, My manager is one of the best manager that consider effort of post when this kind of shit happened. You’re that 1 missed post is worthy for a consideration to receive partial payment due to the effort done.

I think that it's completely understandable that posts in off-topic don't count. The name of the sub-forum tells you why. It's for discussions unrelated to Bitcoin or crypto in general. The purpose of your signature is for it to be visible in sections where there is valuable traffic and users talk about Bitcoin-related topics. Despite the signatures being shown in off-topic, it's of no interest to anyone.

Imagine placing a big billboard with your ad in the sewers. No one is going to see that except a few sewage workers. On the other hand, placing it on the side of the highway generates much more interest.

I still dont see the reason not to do some extra posts in sections that you normally visit. A number of surplus posts are only helping the site that you are promoting and in case a bunch of your posts get moved you have some buffer to save yourself from missing out a week's payment. Managers may be generous in this regard but participants should not take their generosity for granted.

I usually keep a count of my posts every few days and before the week ends so I am making extra posts beyond my weekly quota.

If they mentioned posts in off-topic will not be counted then which is clear any posts that's in your history at the payday will not be counted for paid posts and no need to get confused with that. So anyone who is concerned about their posts being moved to off-topic can take their time before jumping into posting on every thread that has been created in the gambling discussion.

That's the only solution to this, ideally we shouldn't be making an exact number of post that is being asked by us from our managers because we're posting on a thread that anything can happen to the thread without we having a say. The OP can decide to move his thread to any board that he feel, fits more for the discussion or the moderators can do that too. Beside when someone always makes an exact number of post needed by the campaign week in and out (to me it simply sends the message that this user is posting just to get paid). The rules says make this quantity of post to receive this quantity of reward so if you didn't meet up the cut off post, you aren't entitled to receive payment and the manager is on his every right to denied you payment. It must not always have to be nice but that's the rules and to avoid that, make more posts.


It's your duty as an employee of your campaign to post in the threads that'll be of value to the campaign, you don't have to comment on every thread that you come across as some of them are worthless, read through the threads before replying and you'll know if the threads fits right in the gambling board or not. If you do this, you can be the one to report the thread to moderator for it to get move to the right board. Campaigns are spending money on advertisement so we should give them good value for their money.

The companies who come to advertise here want to see the results of the money they spend on signature campaigns. It’s unfair to expect that you should be paid for posts that are moved to off-topic, knowing that the off-topic section does not have much relevance and most likely the target audience of your campaign are not visiting that part of the forum. It’s not difficult to tell what topic is low quality and should be moved to trash or off-topic, I think members have gotten used to the fact that the gambling board is a spam site and are complaining now that mods are cleaning the board.

 I think signature participants should show more interest in promoting the campaigns they are in, by this I mean posting more than the required weekly quota and participating in discussions that are interesting to read, not mega threads because this does not give the campaign much exposure.

What we think is nice or not does not matter in this case, most campaign managers reserve the right to deny any participant payment and even remove them without notice, it is their rules and if we don't like it we should not join the campaign. Off-topic posts are not counted and that is that, and if there is a minimum post requirement and you do not reach it, then the manager would not be doing anything bad if they deny you payment, it is up to them.

Do we really need a mega thread about this? I'm not saying it's a mega thread now but the answer is already clear: no, managers don't count those posts, and apart from a few comments and nuances I don't think there is anything to add. I think it would be better if the OP locked the thread.