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It depends from person to person and whether a trader is actually making money consistently or not. A lot of people don't take trading as a full-time gig, they do it part-time and want to earn an extra income with it. It's only some traders who are in it full-time and they don't do it for fun or to earn a few bucks every day or week which isn't enough for them to live their life off of it.

A person who gets into trading with the intent to make an income from it, would need to have a sum that is good enough to generate decent profits for them if they do day trading because the amount of profit depends on the amount of money you are using for the trades. After all, 10% of $100 is $10 but 10% of $1,000 is $100. So the capital makes a difference.

Other than that, one needs to have a general interest in trading to be able to earn money constantly from it because if you are forcing yourself to get into it, you will barely be able to gain enough knowledge and without enough knowledge, you won't reach your target.

you will only be considered better when you bring much money to the family. whether you see yourself as self-employed because you trade or just unemployed it doesn't matter to the eyes of those who judge you. if you don't wear your pants, you're unemployed that's what they see. you can either ignore them and mind your own business.

or let them know you pay your rent yourself or contribute to the family and it comes from your pocket because you have a job online. you just have to show your achievements, those kinds of people are materialistic, they need to see your expensive car.  ;D

As long as you make money then I guess no one should care if you are unemployed or not. But literally, you are unemployed because you are not in a contract with someone else but in the era that we live in today a lot of jobs are created thanks to the power of the internet. There are streamers who make consistent money, but they are also unemployed because there's no assurance that they will have incoming money the next day or not. They have to be active on social media so that they can make more content for their streams.
Traders do make money too but the question of "Until when?" will always pop out, especially in an unpredictable market. So yes, I would still consider getting a job for consistent money and then use the trading profits as my extra for other stuff that I need to spend.

Let's all settle and agree that trading is an actual trade where you can be a professional or just a casual trader who earns from it. As long as you're earning money from it and you're profitable, you can label it however you want. A profession, a business, an employment, or what you are comfortable with. If it becomes a debate, for me it does not make sense, to say the least, to defend each other's thoughts about it. So, if you are making money out of it then that's good but if you're starting out but you are seeing yourself to become profitable in the future then good luck to that being as an aspiring trader and just do your best.

Not all traders can use trading to make money. According to some reports that I have read before, most traders are losing. Those with small amount of money will lose because they risk more and not patient. When someone will think of trading to make himself money, he may lose. If you are trading, you should not consider it as a job. You need a reliable job. Trading is risky like gambling and it should not be seen as a job.

If you really manage to become a good trader, then you will not need additional income, no matter which way the market is moving, you will always be able to make a profit from it. The only problem is that a very small part of those who decided to make money by trading become good traders.

Honestly, I would say that traders are unemployed. because they do not have an employment contract with any company, they do not have the contractual obligations that company employees have had. They do not work hours according to normal working hours and most importantly: traders do not have a fixed income, traders do not even know if they will make profits in a given month. Those traders are definitely unemployed. Now talking about trades as people who have money on their own, then we enter into a very complicated topic that needs to be talked about without expressing feelings, being realistic. If we look at the number of people around the world who are trading and ask them the following:

Can you make a profit by trading every month to pay your bills?

If the guy answers that yes, he can make a profit from trading and then we ask him to show proof that he can actually make a profit every month from trading to the point of paying all his bills, we will see that he will not be able to show any proof. he lies, he will be showing the profit he made with courses he sold or with profits from his social media channels, but he will not show the profit he made only with the trading platform. That's why I don't believe these guys who consider themselves trading experts and show off a luxurious life that they say they achieved thanks to trading.

Traders = unemployed (unless working for a trading firm) = not employed

Hence, solo/at-home traders are unemployed.

Why look too deep into it? Unemployed doesn't necessarily mean you're not working on something. It's just the fact that you're not under a company's payroll.

Do we have stop losses in gambling as well like it is in trading?  ;D

I still believe Gambling and Trading are not the same. Gambling is perfectly for fun and entertainment for those who have some money to blow off. If you get into gambling thinking you will be earning some daily, weekly or monthly income, then you are going to be f##Ked

Trading on the other side can be a very decent "job". I mean, look at all those historical stock trading giants and corporations. They made or make money, not by trading for fun or entertainment, like someone who enters a casino in Las Vegas without knowing how the night will end.

Gambling is not trading but the risk is much as it is in gambling. Theoretically you can see a lot of differences in gambling and trading, but in real life you will noticed that they are both risky.

If you have other sources of income and you are trading, you will not rely on trading. You will be able to make the right analysis and not panic. But if someone is thinking of earning from only trading, the person is knocking the door to his own failure.

Trading should not be seen as a job. It will let you want to set target. Poor think can come from there. Trading should only see trading as alternative and enter the market when necessary.

True, it seems some misunderstanding here or some different opinion and understanding of the meaning of being employed and not.

Some also tell fulltime traders, but we can't say they are employed especially if they are trading alone using their own money and can trade anytime they want and not relying to other people or company.

I know that trading is heavily frowned upon here (for the right reasons, and I absolutely won't recommend trading to anyone), but it's not THAT one-sided and binary. Trading — depending on strategy, can actually work, it's just that a huge majority of people won't be able to successfully pull it off. With that logic you're pretty much also clumping up starting a business with gambling just because it's also very risky.

I guess it depends on the situation.
I would agree with what you said that trading can't be a reliable job since the income isn't stable, but there are some factors that might affect that one.

Let's say for example, a trader is making 5 digits on a monthly basis just by doing trading. Yes, there are times where he lost money in trading since no one can predict the market with 100% accuracy, but at the end of the month, he's making money like other employees. Do you still need to have a "RELIABLE" job if you know yourself that you are making money in trading "CONSISTENTLY"?

As much as I don't want to consider trading as a job, there are some traders especially those expert ones that took trading as their full-time job already just because they're earning in it. Some might even earn more than most of the employees who are working 8 hours per day. At the end of the day, it all depends on the situation.

I have the same idea in my mind too. Who cares of what area of employment you belong to if you are making X amount of money to cover your expenses and live the life that you want for yourself. The main goal is to provide for your love ones, have generational wealth, and be done with the rat race. And if you do well enough in trading, you can put all those pieces together as your success. As long as there's a market, trading will always be a relevant job and you can trade for a living if you have the right skill and the right perspective.

I just want to say that trading requires capital. Indeed, even if you don't have a job, if you have capital you can do the job. As many people suggest, if you want to invest in crypto or trade, you have to use money that you are prepared to lose. This means that using savings to trade is very risky.
If you are unemployed and can still keep your trading going, then you can trade. although it is not recommended to make day trading your job. that's because not every time you can make money from trading. if you have bad luck, it will only waste your capital.

It is a mistake to consider trading as a job in the sense that you depend on it to buy essentials and pay bills, because trading brings profits over a long period of time and patience, and the bills may not bear patience for more than a month.
Therefore, even describing trading as free work comes from the fact that it is something you do without restrictions on its timing and lifestyle, but as soon as trading is restricted or governed by a specific price or need, it will be unprofitable and may lead to losses.

Trading or investment can be considered as a source of income but a trader or an investor actually needs to have reserved money for paying bills. Because the market can move opposite to what the trader or the investor thinks. So if all money already spent for trading or investment, there will be calls to pay bills and that trader or investor will be forced to sell their bitcoins or altcoins, to get some money for paying bills.

Being forcefully sold an asset like this, will not lead to good exit price and a trader or investor will have higher risk to lose money than get profit.

Unless you withdraw your profits and use them to buy something else, all of your profits are on paper. That’s the problem with trading. Traders usually don’t know when to take profits and in the end they usually quit it at a loss. People can make money from trading indeed but they need to follow a few hard rules which they can’t ignore. Profit taking is one of them. Not being too greedy is another. As you go deeper into trading, you will make more mistakes that will make you lose money and by doing so you’ll notice the other rules as well.

Trading needs you to be alert all the time because the markets can go wild randomly.

I always consider trader to be like entrepreneur they just don't have fixed line of work as well as fixed schedule they have a purpose that is to make a money then they doing it regardless of the time constraint since they have none also the risk is also there with entrepreneurship you risk losing your capital when starting a business same thing with trading, i mean to be honest people that don't consider trading as a job is kinda ignorant since there are literally people making ton of money by just trading alone that even a salary of $100k a year seems like so small for them.
though there are indeed some people that trade just for side hustle and they don't earn that much since they are not focused on their trading but an income is still an income and their side hustle is pretty much a side job too just like how people are doing two jobs these days its pretty common.
though some people would rather consider whatever job that don't give stable income as not a real job whereas thats pretty biased and I strongly disagree.

I think, trading is a self-employed because you invested your capital to ensure you achieve income from the trading in the due time, and you start monitoring your trading every night and day to ensure your trading are safe and secure. I know some people will not believe that crypto trading is a self-employed, because is different from the physical trading they are use to in their various environment and they know it as self-employed, because they are making income to use it to feed their family and to improve their wealth. Likewise in crypto trading, I have seen many traders who turned to millionaires through the help of crypto trading, because they took it as trading that can offer more than what other centralized traders are achieving from their trading, because the crypto trading is a pure self-employed to them.

The prejudice is there though, undeniable even though trading does generate income some people out there with a lot of prejudice consider day trading isn't a real job heck even getting approval of lease are hard when you stated that you do day trading, if you are a trader and you working on it full time be prepared to not be able to have loan from banks that easily unless you can build your reputation and your credit score.

undeniably it happens across the world, some people just can't grasp what trading actually is and due to that they just said that its not a real job.
speaking of stability, yes trading as a job is unstable, but so does other jobs as well I think its still inline with the potential of profit that you could gain so the unstability of the job is worth it.
even in the other job being an employee building a career from below all the way to the top you can always lost your job due to lay offs.

Traders trade with the intention of making an income so they are in a job. So they cannot be called unemployed but trading is not like other things like job, business. no one can always make a profit in trading. There is a lot of loss in trading so it is not a source of steady income for anyone.  For this reason someone wants to lead his life only in trading and has no other source of income then he will not be able to lead his life normally for long. He may be financially strong for a few days to make a profit in trading, but when he loses, he will experience a period of scarcity.

Well, if unemployment is defined as not having a job, then traders are not unemployed. Because many people feel that they work by trading. However, it all depends on our respective perceptions and views. If work is defined as us being paid by the company and we have a contract with the company, then traders can be said to be unemployed. However, if people look at unemployment this way, then people who start businesses by selling something, and trying to generate their own income are unemployed. yeah, I think that's not quite right.
However, I think this has a very broad meaning. People will look differently at traders who are successful and have a lot of assets, from traders who work at home, but make very little money. The first trader might be said to be a successful businessman by ordinary people, and the second trader would be said to be an unemployed person looking for money on the internet. IMO, Traders are a job, but with high risks.

Anything you do in exchange for money is a job. Trading is considered to be but can't just rely on this to become a good source of income unless you are really good at this.

Trading is profitable but has quite high risks which is why this is not just a simple job but a difficult one. Indeed, traders are traders, they are working hard to make their trades ever profitable. Many people earn more from trading which gives interest to others but do not know that the majority are losing than those who earn satisfying amounts. It is your call if you consider this but for me, trading couldn't be our main source of income due to its nature.

You are correct, but we traders do advice people that trading is not a reliable means of making money because we know how risky it is, especially for newbie traders. If we tell them that it is a way to make money, they will later most likely tell us that we are lying but setting a pit for them to fall into. I just do not know how I can excellently explain how trading should not be taken as a job except you are a good trader already and making money from it. Most people will realize it when they solely rely on trading that it is very risky. Some success traders that I have met do other things that are reliable than to just be trading only and they make money from trading, they invest more in reliable business in case of bad trading days.

Are you really a trader? This should not be about what you read or what you think of but about what you know and have experience about.

Take a look with Cambridge dictionary.


It means if the traders make money from trading, it's considered as self employed. But if they didn't earn from trading, they're unemployed. Unemployed is when you didn't provides money, it's why traders get taxed because they're making money.

"Job" isn't necessary need to rely on other people money or under someone company.

Post covid. people started to work from home more than ever and even companies want their employees to work from home cause it reduces the company's expenses a lot. Anyway, let's come to the topic, what others think about you doesn't matter as long as you are being successful at it. Trading as your primary job is highly risky which also should be pointed out here.

Some people take trading as a full time job. But the number is few and most don't even come to the public or reveal this aspect of their life, they might be your random garden man or the regular chap on the bus to work, in other words they remain invisible to public eye.

The main point is still whether the trader is using their trades funds as major source of income or other hustles to fund their trading. Being employed is not the term I would apply here, though. There is no legal binding in trading unless you are doing it on behalf of a company.

That said there are traders who have other employments too so they are not unemployed.

I consider it like a freelancing, more like whenever you just want to trade. I know a lot of traders and they only spend less than an hour or two and earning good profit which is way more higher than a hourly jobs, so they choose to be trader than working as they are earning more money and less work, which is pretty amazing because no matter what the market status are (bullish or bearish), they can still managed to earn from that market.

But for me, it depends on the person itself, some trade for fun and some trade for living.

Crypto trading is a job, just like any other jobs that a person does that they make profit or earn salaries from, these includes whether you're self employed or an employee. The only difference is if the money that comes in from the job is able to take care of the person's responsibilities, if not then the person might be compelled to quit, then get a better one or get a side job to earn more money.

Why I don't consider crypto trading as a full time job is because of the risks involved, it has some attributes of gambling, where you don't know how the market will swing anyday you enter trading, infact you're not in control of the market. What happens when you consistently encounter loses over a period of time, who'll take care of your responsibilities? I think that every responsible trader should have another source of steady income, so when they make profit in trading, it becomes a plus to their total income.

Indeed, many people think that trading is not a real job, even though you can get profits or income that can be targeted every day, but it is not easy to earn income from trading.  Therefore, there are some people who apply trading as a side activity and prioritize real work that can clearly earn income every month

Ordinary people around you will definitely think that if you don't have a real job, they will think that person is unemployed, but as long as you can consistently make a profit from trading, don't care too much about what other people say. The important thing is that your daily needs can be met without having to bother other people.  But it would be better if trading was used as a side job

If I look at trading literally and I know for myself that trading is not easy to learn, even though I already know something about it, I cannot say that it is easy to learn and actually absorb. Now, if we make it a skill, that means we will apply it in our personal lives to get a source of income.

Because this is the potential that trading really provides. So, if we get earnings here, whether short- or long-term, it can be said that this is really a job; the only difference is that you don't have a boss; instead, you are also the boss because we own our time here.

Trading is good but not to be taken as a job, because it is risky, and only you bear the risk alone. A trader is unemployed, and needs a job to balance up any loss made in trading, otherwise, life might become more difficult. A professional trader can make mistake and run into a big loss, and all the fund made in various trade will be gone in a twinkle of an eye. This is how trading is i.e you cannot depend on it to take care of your basic needs.

A lot of traders are just answering the name traders but they don't have the knowledge of trading and strategy of making profit, some depends on signals. I will call such people gamblers and not traders, this is the reason why majority of traders run at loss.

Does it really matter if a trader is referred to as unemployed or being employed. It is even better that a trader is making so much amount of money and he is still being referred to as unemployed. It will definitely make him to save alot because many people are not expecting much from him because he is unemployed. So, to me, it doesn't matter if people see you as been employed or unemployed, what really matters is if you are able to provide for yourself and for your family. In this present century people does not actually need to know where you work, especially remote workers. Master your act of trading and bring food to the table that is all.

You call it employment when you work for someone and have a fixed payscale for the work. Hence technically if we see then yes we all traders are unemployed. We don’t have a fixed source of income. But yes that’s true that, we make more money than the people who are employed. So I think this debate is completely useless. We are trader and it is a skillful task to trade.

     We know that when an individual has an employer who holds his time and has a definite wage, either monthly or every 15 days, So, if we are traders, we are not employees,
but we need to work out traders.

     The only question here is: what do we do? Of course, first find out the basics of trading; aside from that, it needs to be dedicated and determined at the same time for us to get and understand the most basic concept of trading here in the cryptocurrency business industry.

Trading is a high-risk activity but there are people out there who are willing to put their full time into trading and make it their main income.

This is also my view, the same thing as gambling ^{(but trading is not the same as gambling)} many people use gambling as entertainment, but there are also a group of people who use gambling as a source of their income, so the conclusion is that anything that makes money can actually be made as a job, the only difference is whether we are good at it or very bad at it.

I think one can consider trading as a job because it gives you income and what ever you do that pays you can be considered a job.

When it comes to trading you work before you can get income just like other jobs.
Not all trading take as much time as you said before getting an income one can trade and get income same week it all depends on how knowledgeable that person is on trading. A lot of traders are living well and paying there own bills.

Trading is profitable and it has been for a long time now, like I said earlier it all depends on how knowledgeable one is if you are a master when it comes to trading believe you me you will make profit, I'm not saying you won't have loses but your win will be more than your lose.

You can not start from the top as a trader, when you start to trade you will need to have a reliable source of income because you can not always depend on trading as you do not have the experience and the money to help you become professional at trading. It is when you have traded for sometime that you can depend only on trading because you now know the market very well and you can make profits from the market. You would had also use the money that you have many from trading to start up a business that you can depend on when you make a mistake and do not make profits. Traders are unemployed but they are self employed because they do not work for anybody but they are working for their own selfs. Trading is an unpredictable market and depending only on trading as your job is risky. Before a beginner should start taking trading as their only income source, they should be very experienced first to avoid disappointment.

In summary: It will totally depend on which dictionary definition you're going to base it upon lmao — hence, again, it's something that people shouldn't really be taking too seriously. I don't know why it's such a huge ego-hit for people to be categorized as unemployed.

Even though trading has risks and at any time someone can lose money in the market, if someone has earned money consistently there he can consider trading as his job. There is a friend of mine who makes money through trading, so when people ask him what his job is, he will immediately answer that he is a trader, because from the start he entered the world of trading he has been focused on being able to make it his job and lucky for him he can earn stable money from it. So depending on the individual, he can consider trading as his job or not.

What's the op is saying is about employability, he wasn't talking about profitability. It is true that many traders losses more than the gain. But then anyone who is into cryptocurrency trading for more than one year must have found a way to gain because you cannot be losing and losing and you continue losing. Some people make more money teaching how to trade than trading itself, some people write journals on how to trade and some people provide signals. In whichever way you are able to end in the name of trading, it is fine I should be recorded for you as a genuinely and money. Therefore someone who is a trader could be considered employed by himself if he is doing it professionally. Yet, it is advice that a trader should have another source of income to augment in terms of emergency and uncertainty because trading is a risky business.

For the last 5 years I've always ended in green in gambling, even for lower timeframes, does this mean we should count gambling as employment also as long as you're making money? I know a few punters who have made hundreds of thousands betting on what they know based on timeforms which are the same as TA, so are they employed also?

There are people who collect soda cans and plastic bottles, they earn constantly, should they call themselves employed also?

After all with soda cans you don't lose money, what kind of job is that in which for three months you have to take money from your savings to be employed and keep working?

I know a lot of full time traders, who only do trades but they belong to the rich family category, even if they are not making money they still can continue their life as used to be. But if someone from salaried class with saved capital for trading deciding to shift from job to full time trading is never recommended.

In fact, I would agree that everyone who likes to trade in any market should not leave their main job or a job that has long provided them with a regular income. Because from this income, each person can separate a little of their capital for trading and the rest for their living, because something like that will also make them more comfortable at work and also in trading part-time without disturbing the main job they have been doing for a long time before. Because trading also does not provide a guarantee of continuous profits in a row in any market.

I don't really care about people's perspective on trader activities - even trading can be considered a job or not. Trading is an activity that is profitable and can also be detrimental - but not everything that is profitable and detrimental is a job. I tend to ignore that perspective and tend to expect traders to continue with their activities - it doesn't make any difference to me.

Trading is an activity that requires two market players, namely buyers and sellers. Both market participants should be thought of as workers who influence the market thereby causing asset prices to fluctuate - so trading might be considered work based on that understanding, while others might also say it is not.

Everyone should stop with the bolded quote, AND IGNORE everything else in the topic. Because it's either you're "self-employed" and making money from the other participants of the market, OR you're giving the ability to some individuals by giving your money to those participants in the market who are better in trading/investing than you.

It's either you're the one employed, or giving the employment for them to be employed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

different countries have different views, if we talk about those who live in countries where gambling is legal then they think gambling is a job, those who live in an intelligent environment, definitely think whatever they do, as long as it makes money then it is a job

Soda bottle collecting can also be said to be a job, it's just that this job has a lower caste in society, trading is still very foreign to many people so they will look differently at people who make a full time living based on trading

How I wish that most of us were born with silver spoon and even we grow old, we won't be poor and don't have to worry about anything tomorrow.

But it's true that someone who's working with a stable job, shouldn't go into full time trading when he's not yet prepared of what might come.

Nowadays, it's best to have a lot of sources of income so having that stable salary and do trading whenever you want to do it. Also, you won't get called unemployed. LOL.

traders is self employed staff, learning how to trade is like some who wants to establish it supermarket or any business because the business is something that have to do with personal knowledge, so whosoever that is a trader is a self employed person it doesn't matter how much you earn and how much you generate in your  business, a trader can earn more than  a government employed person base on its generating profits weekly and monthly, so trading is good but its ability to understand it's  rudiments

JOB/Extra income or whatever you would be able to call it out then it would really be that just that depending on a certain individual on how you would really be that making yourself treating up towards trading.

This isnt something that can be called for fun for sure because we are talking earning money on here on which this could really be possibly be able to surpass on what you are earning from your day job.
This is why tons of people would really be considering out on learning on it because we do know on what are the opportunities that it could give on the time that you would really be having that good grasps
for sure you would really be needing up to be serious as it should be cause the money or profit you are making will really be definitely reflects out on how well you do make yourself that making
these trades whether its a work or not on someones perception or treatment then it wouldnt matter, we do have our own views and perspectives in life and on different things.

Hi all brothers ;)
It's really work and it takes a lot of time! And it happens that there is knowledge, but there is no volume... There are different situations in life! If you are interested, read, I wrote an article about how I went from the beginning to the top trader, there is also a lot of interesting information there... True, it is in Russian: (I would like a person who knows English to translate it.. Therefore, I agree with you, it is difficult work! But you can earn money if you know what to do. Good luck all.
 God bless all  ::) ::) ::)

My article: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5494301.0
Who will help translate it into English and publish it? I will be incredibly grateful, I want English-speaking people to read it too, maybe someone saw me :)

From my perspective, anything anyone takes seriously and earns a good profit from it on a regular basis, such that, it is enough to keep one afloat and hopeful, can be considered a career for me.
True wealth from my understanding from reading several pieces, is often a result of how valuable one has become while being consistent, efficient and disciplined in mastering a skillset.
I consider trading as a valuable skillset, that can ensure financial independence and wealth, in today's society, a good skill or tradecraft pays better than a white collar job.

If someone already has skills in the field they work in, of course this will be very good because it will be able to provide them with regular income, but in trading of course we don't know for sure the results we will get and even for some people who already have experience and also good skills regarding trading, there are still those who experience failure and I think it would be better to make trading as a side job because if we fail several times in trading, of course we will lose a lot of the money we have, so it is important for us to be able to have the main job that can provide a definite income and make trading an additional source of income for us.

Traders who focuses on this are not employed but it's exactly their preferred career. Somehow some people who've been working chooses to do trading as their part time source of income just to earn better opportunity to maximize their profit instead of relying from main source of income due to inflation rate of fiat currency.
Doing such efforts to earn from crypto currency is the best ways if earning rather than physical businesses.

Traders will make trading their permanent job and they will try hard to make money. They will use their time to continue learning so they can have better trading skills. It's the same as people who work in companies or offices.

What is important is that traders can make money from trading and often the money they make can be greater than those who work in an office. It will depend on how they can improve their skills and still earn income from trading. Meanwhile, people who are already working and continue to trade do so because they want to have income outside of their salary.

People can say that trading is a self-employed job and it is true because trading is not limited by time. People can trade whenever they want and the important thing is that they can set their time for trading.

There is no chance in the world that people who earn money to support their family and living expenses can ever be labeled as unemployed. A trader must trade to make money and to make a living out of it. So Tina must not be reported as unemployed. He may spend his full-time or part-time in trading. After all he works to earn money and earn a living.
From my point of view, no one in the world is unemployed. Every person in the world is closely involved in various activities to make their life easy and normal. Some are directly involved in earning money and some are working as assistants to earn that money so no one can be called unemployed.

A trader is not unemployed; they just work hard for it to be enjoyed and used as an income. I am a trader and wanted to be financially stable without any side income to support my finances.

This cannot be denied, usually when rich people trade they use their cold hard cash and this makes their decision making better ^{(the majority of rich people rarely make trading their main source of income)} than the working class who trade with their own money.  The pressure received by traders is different from each other, so becoming a trader is not an easy matter, indeed everyone can become a trader but that doesn't mean everyone can make a profit when trading, someone who makes a profit in trading is definitely someone who is successful with his considerations in trading.

many never get the grasp of being self employed and finding money for ourselves, the judgemental nature of people is what make such prejudice to appear in the society thinking that a trader isn't even a job meanwhile a trader could very well be 100x richer that the ones who judged.

for the fellow traders, its just never surrender despite the prejudice is there to demonize the work of traders, even though this job isn't certainly most stable one financially speaking but at least it could make us big bucks if its the right time at the right moment, remember that there are many traders out there making millions certainly not an employee with the traditional concept of a job can be earning within a month except for very few.
just try to gain success from trading to achieve whatever, financial freedom that you are aiming, remember, people won't care if you are trading for a job if you can earn millions.

On the other hand traders and all hustlers shouldn't be offended.

Real trading takes a kind of discipline and determination like any job should. The traders I knew, myself included, we were surfing and listening and meme watching. We weren't really spending a lot of time studying or discussing as some do.

Judge ourselves first, properly, and then others judgment isn't so bad ;)

People are in the thought that trading will give them money on a daily basis like that of the regular job but it is a false concept and people in such thoughts are facing great troubles in their life. Trading can give you an extra sum of money but if people are totally dependent on trading for their earning then they will lose a major part of their money as without experience if you trade more your failure will also be greater.



There remains no difference between gambling and trading if you utilize your whole time in trading but without correcting your mistakes and give more time in desire to earn more so I think before going to accept trading we have to learn better about it and should learn different strategies which can help us to overcome our mistakes.

I think the way we learn to understand trading and what we can get from trading will determine what trading needs to be called.  If trading can't solve your needs I don't see reason why one will see trading as a job , I know people do trading as full time job. This decision can be consider if one have Really study trading and have good understanding and can be able to survive the market then one can choose to call it a career.  Trading can be different thing for everyone,  this based on the understanding and experience we have in trading . As for beginners that are coming up to trade, I don't think it is right to see trading as what can be rely on as a full time job that one needs to depend on.

Some people will think they can make it from trading, but they will see the worst part of their life when they begin trading. More than 80% of traders are losing and which should be one of the reasons it can not be seen as a job. Trading is not a job. But if you manage to have enough money to trade, risk less and be able to even go less than 1x leverage and able to afford your loss and having better source of income with your less risky source of income will not make you feel the bad effect, then trading can be a job for you. But telling people that trading is a job is not right because you are only not helping them with wrong information but also helping them to believe what can cause them financial problem.

Many people on this forum are not trading, they just understand little part of it and saying it is a job. It is not a job.

If you are teaching about trading, providing signals and writing journals about it, you are not trading. You are only letting people know what trading is and earn money from them and nothing more than that. Trading is when you trade and make money from it. Some peoole can teach and provide signals but yet be losing in trading.

I think it's just that there's an organization that would hire you, then you are employed. If you are not, then you are unemployed.

It's pretty straight forward what "EMPLOYED" means and it's being hired by someone that you would be obliged to do responsibilities etc. I think this is a misconception that having income is "EMPLOYED" which is not.

Hmm, it seems like OP is quite serious about proving trading is not a joke, well this totally depends on how the viewer looks at it, if he's a person who works from 9 to 5 and earns his living and watches a person sleep all day and working according to his mood and meaning his livings he might find it fun, but TBH trading demands a tough and disciplined environment as it doesn't restrict you from anything but to study market make a decision it requires a proper disciple and now it varies from trader to trader how actively he manages his discipline but I won't hesitate to say if a trader is not well disciplined he cant be a good trader because it sone of important emotion management technique.

On the moment that you do able to make money with trading which is more than on the amount that you could get from your day job then there would really be a time that you would really be considering on
making it full time. Yes, its not a job or something like that but it could really be a source of income but if you would really be able to make yourself that sustain then it would really be that
a good condition or situation for you since not everyone would really be able to pull it through. Not all would really be able to get such skill for a very short period. This is why on the moment that you do find yourself
being sustainable or profitable then consider yourself that you are good trader on which you could be able to make out money without depending into your own day job.

This is something that you would really be needing up yourself to have that kind of engagement and you do decide whether you would go full time or not. As long you are
profitable then who would be the one would be doesnt like that?

Trading is a job and earning opportunity but not like the other that gives us assurance. We can see some people are considering this as full-time because they are good at this but for some traders, this is just their side job.
Whatever it is, the most important is that we know our position about this. We still think that trading is not a simple job that most of us are thinking of, it needs knowledge and discipline as well. Successful traders earn more than those who have stable jobs which is why we can't just say that trading is nothing.

Trading for me is not a job but more of a business to me or side hustle since I do have a capital for this and with that you can consider it as your business. If you are going to trade as a beginner make sure to have your main source of income first before doing any trade because profit in trading is not guaranteed and there’s no assurance that you can get that profit.

It's really like a business or actually a business but it is not a problem when someone calls it as his day to day job and employment or a business.

Set a capital that's going to be used for your trading initiation. You'll get to see on how it goes as you trade, you'll have to deal with it and learn from anything what happens when you begin.

Realistically, trading can be taken as a full time job and will be a profitable one that you don’t need to depend on any other job asides from that. There’s a way you’ll understand the market so much that when you trade and place like ten trades, at least seven will go your way and you’ll earn massively from it. This will also be that your risk to reward ratio is large or at least 1:2; if you’ve understood the market well and can trade in this part with a winning rate of 70%, I will say you can take it as a full time job than a side hustle.


You know this depends on the person. I have seen and come across people that have a full time job but after their profitability in trading, they’ve ti resign and focus completely on trading because it gives them more income than the full time job. Some will not want to leave the job though, but if you understand, trust and trust yourself better, you can go on with trading as a full time job when you become a professional in it.

Why are you overcomplicating this, being employed is between two parties, and self-employment is between you and yourself so I don't think that works. Being unemployed doesn't mean you have no income, it just means that you're not in a relationship to another party that gives you pay for your services, simple as that.

I don't even see how one can become discouraged by a title of being "employed" or "unemployed". I mean, you're making money (I'm assuming you are since you're still continuing trading at that point), and that's all that matters imo.

well in the world where social trust matter i do get why some people does worry about the matter of being employed or unemployed there are so many disadvantage of being self employed if we don't get to make big money that is always being refused for whatever matter regarding things in relation with credits.

its a rough world here where job title does matter, even more so with the status of being employed or self employed, even though literally speaking its just to describe a relation between two party that tries to benefit each other fulfilling their own responsibility so that both can benefits but really it goes more than that.
even more so when we are in a society where job matter, having no job mean having no pride there are many society that acts just like that as if we are not employed then we just nobodies.
really complex the situation and society these days but that just how it is.

Take trading as a part-time job, so that it will allow you to do other activities that will create opportunity for you to be receiving income from other businesses, because is not what everybody in the market will be seeing you doing physical for them to know you are self employed, and there is no way you will be trading your coins every day to be making income from the market. Creating source of income before going into trading, it will help you to create other businesses that will make you a self employed in your area and it will not stop your trading, because you can monitor your trading anywhere to know what is happening in the market.  And you can see the market price with your two eyes to know if it is time to trade in the market or not, but trading use to take a long time before you can achieve massive income from trading which is the reason is not good to take trading as full time job.

That will depend on how we look into it. If ever I consider this as a job, it means that I make money from this. Some people consider this as their full-time job and even quit from their stable job in the sense that they are earning more than from their salary. Whether it was our part-time or full-time job, we can't fully rely on this as our main source of income. Having a passive income or stable job still necessary knowing that trading is too risky and no long-term assurance even we are doing it well now. But for unemployed people, I believe this could be a better choice while waiting for another great opportunity.

You really understand what that I am talking about. Trading should not be considered a job until you traded many times for over a long period of time that you can consider it as job. But we should not mislead new traders and saying trading is a job. It is too risky to be called a job.

Some people said trading is a job on this forum, forgetting that some people are newbies. If you can find out very well about them, you will know that they are not trading in real life. Those that have much knowledge about trading on this trading discussion board, I know them and they said it should also not be taking as a job because they how trading is in real life and not just read an article and conclude that trading is a job.

While this is correct consider as a Job yet remember that a Job must be providing or generating
income and so if that trader is making money from the platform he is trading then indeed this is a job
but if not? then I believe that this cannot be considered as employment because you are not getting
paid from your job.

I am happy to finally see people posting good about this. You are also right. But did you know that 80% of traders are losing? I have read more than 10 researches that make me make that conclusion. The results in those researches are similar. That most traders are losing. The result of trading is much more like the results of the researches on gambling.

Yes, traders may be able to make huge profits in their initial trades. but in the next few trades the profit may not be with the trader. That's what makes trading unable to be a job.
however, we work to earn money to meet our needs. and in trading, some plans should not be missed. which makes bad trading a job when you trade with the pressure to make money to meet urgent needs. it can go beyond the plans that have been made, and in the end, it will be difficult to make a profit.
maybe some do, but after trading long enough I think they will be able to judge the effectiveness of making money from their trading or real work.

Same here. Salaried job is not the same as self employment, and trading... as I pointed out above posts, a lot of people trade without the same discipline or investment as a job, so I don't really consider them the same. I was trading years and never said it was my job so I think anyone who's offended by it needs to look in the mirror.

And good point you brought up about 80%. I talk about it ALL the time. It's not a fixed number but for sure 80% is not a far estimate and this is from NORMAL trading (forex, stocks etc).

I bet you crypto traders are even worse as most of them are gambling on shitcoins and scams you would see very less of in stocks/forex.

Businessmen are not unemployed if they have the right skills they choose business as a profession to earn profit and meet daily life needs. But before that you should learn about the trade well and start working according to the plan. If you are good at trading you can start trading and apply strategies on real account. For this you only need to have interest in knowing and learning about this subject. It will help you to trade safely and get good results in reality.

Many of the traders are not unemployed but self employed and one just need to know the difference.
Self development is very important for us to be a self reliable person in life not trying to accumulate different certificates so we can work with people that are going to pay us peanuts. I prefer self development a lot because this is the only way we can grow and make lots of money for ourselves without stressing ourselves during retirement age living a good lifestyle with beautiful vacations.
Traders are living their best lifestyle especially when they have become a successful trader.

Ignorance and understanding is what make some people to assume and because they don't find curiosity in things they don't understand, they sleep on what they know only which is a very bad behavior.

I think I will call trading as a side husle and not necessarily been called a job because a job is something you do and you get paid for that your time spent doing the job but in trading, I'm not sure everyday is profitable to make money, there are days you make money and there are some days you might not make nothing, it's not a steady place where you can make money but there are days you can make something good.

The amount you make also depend on the amount size, if you do futures then I will consider the leverage position you trade with and how volatile the coins you trade, some coins on a good day can give you 5% and some can give you 15% on average, so this factors determine what you make for that day provided that the market is healthy for trading.

And the truth is nobody cares. Traders should work hard.

Traders should do whatever it takes to provide the basic necessities for their families. In the world we live in now, no one should get bothered about being called unemployed. Roll up your sleeves and work really hard because only people who matters are your family and parents.

I also like to think that any trader who doesn't want to be called unemployed should change their routine.

The trader can also set up a small websites to write about training and everything about.

I think there's a misconception between the word employed and unemployed, traders are not employed, they're their own boss. And I think you'd agree with me that anything that generates an income or puts food on your table is a job. So in that regard, trading could be said to be a job but based on the risky nature of crypto trading, many persons do not see it that way. But the truth is some persons are making a livelihood out of it.

Before the pandemic, it was very common that someone that worked from their home was considered by their neighbors as unemployed, as they could not conceive the idea that someone could earn a living from their home, but the pandemic changed all of that and now people realize that there is a plethora of jobs which can be done online and you could still earn a good salary out of them, so I would suppose that most traders have gotten rid of those confusions long time ago.

This alone is enough to understand whether traders are unemployed or not. The main motive behind everything that every human does in this world is to manage the family keep the family members well and fulfill the need for self-esteem. So how do we exclude crypto traders from this perspective? With the change of time and technological development the work style also changes so crypto traders cannot be called unemployed.

They can say unemployed maybe because they see traders are only at the comfort of their own homes and always staring at the screens of their devices but they don't realize that many traders are earning more than what can they get for a day and yes, it won't be possible if without a hard work. Trader or not, all wants to be like that or to be financially stable because that can give us a somehow comfortable life and a peace of mind.

To have a side income can allow us to earn more money but this can only be optional for some like you, if you think it's a bit time-consuming already and you think you are earning enough in your trading activities.

As the years go by, we have to be able to see that things that make money are a job, like streamers, many of them are successful in getting a lot of money just from playing games or other things and then sharing it with their viewers

as well as trading, there are many tools available today that can help ordinary people to trade, so we can categorize trading as a job

I see that it is true that there are those who make trading their job, but that doesn't mean that all traders make it their main job, because maybe they make it as a side job and earn income from other professions.
It is still called a job, because he can make money either as a main income to meet his living needs or only as a side worker, and other forms of trading that can make money can also be called a job, such as long term holders, he earns it just takes more time It takes a long time to make a profit unlike a day trader whose duration of making a profit is shorter but both can be said to be traders and that's a job.

To become a trader, of course we need to continue to be able to update the knowledge and skills that we have so that we don't fall behind and fail in the trades that we make because without knowledge and skills, of course it will be very difficult for us to earn income, so I I think it is necessary for us to be able to continue to develop the skills that we like so that we can earn income from what we do.
I agree with you, in order to be able to earn income that can meet the needs we need, of course it is important for us to be able to have skills especially as traders and we also have to continue to develop the knowledge we have in order to be successful as traders.

It depends on how you will use trading to consider it as job or. It’s considered as a job if you are doing this full time or if you are employed by a trading company that let you trade using other people funds.

Trading casually is not a job imho because there’s no commitment involved but just pure profit intention by buying and selling. You can only consider it as job if you are regularly doing it or it’s part of your daily routine. It’s not a job if you are just casually buying and selling without any consistency.

Totally depends on the commitment i should say on which there would really be instances that people would really be that focusing on doing trading as if this is their main job specially if it turns out to be their main source of income. We do know that when it comes to this situation on where people will really be normally be finding up ways or methods on which they could make money. Its an investment but on the time that you are really that putting up focus and time and effort then it would really be that become your main job. We do know that there are really tons who do make out such switch up on which we know that it could give out that kind of opportunity or chance for you to make money if you done it well.

Although this thing isnt really that for all on which there would really be those people who would really be ended on failing on doing trading no matter what they do.
Somewhat there's nothing wrong when you do treat it up on this way because probabilities is really there.

Trading is a kind of work that give us profit, i think the status of a trader is unemployed because there is no employer in trading it is a kind of work that you are the one who manage your time no one will bother you.i think there is no problem on it even if we are only traders and we are so called unemployed as long as we earn profit even if we don't have salary or regular work but still it is almost the same earnings.

Those who think traders are unemployed are basically fools. Because traders are not unemployed. They are their own boss. And they own all their decisions.  They decide when to trade and when not to trade.  And traders decide their trading style by themselves. Those who are skilled traders earn a handsome amount by trading. Although this is not applicable to everyone. Because there are many traders who have been trading for a long time and have not achieved much success. There are also many traders who are trading  Has benefited a lot through.

There is no job as time consuming like trading, I mean full time trading. It is unwise to say traders are unemployed people because they are always at home . They have invested so much time, money and energy in making sure they make good trades and take profits. Trading is not for the weak, those who cannot give in their all  like traders do will always look for ways to discredit trading. Trading is not for everyone, those who see profits in trading should carry on and those who are not lucky with trading can sort out themselves elsewhere.

There is nothing wrong with getting a side hustle aside trading. Even those employed in organisations still take up side hustles so as to meetup of with their day to day expenses,  this does not change the fact that they are employed. Traders go through alot and they deserve some flowers for taking up such a job.

9-10 there will be a correction, then growth again!

All traders come with the same intentions and goals, namely to seek profit but I disagree if for example someone says that a trader is unemployed because clearly the name unemployed is those who do not have any activity to produce, even though there is no employer or boss or boss when you become a trader but still it cannot be said to be completely unemployed. However trading is a serious job but it may be engaged in the online field which is the reason why there are no employers or bosses because only we ourselves manage everything and it is because of this that many people make trading a side job or part-time job in addition to the main job they have and I will again say that in my opinion a trader is not right if he is called unemployed because his income is proven to be real and maybe I will say that those who claim or who say a trader is unemployed are those who may not know or do not understand that the times are getting more sophisticated which when you are smart then you will be able to take advantage of every opportunity that comes.

Whether a man works for a job, business, or manual labor, he works to earn money and thereby fulfill basic needs and other luxuries. However, all the persons who work for conducting the trading business will be called employees or job holders because they work for a fixed salary under a contract with the entrepreneur of the said business.

Business or not it wont really matter because we do have our own approach towards trading but in overall we are really just that aiming on the same thing on which to make money. Doesnt matter whether you are really that treating it as a job or investment. There are really just those individuals who are really that too mindful on how other people been treating up on things. Just like on what i have said earlier that doesnt matter on what are views towards it, we are still sharing up on the same views and mindset or simply our target. There are really just those people who are really that too sensitive whenever they do read up some words that they dont really like because they dont really accept it out. Trading could really be something a skill that will really be making you money but learning it wont really be something that
could be everyone will be able to get or would be able to learn up.

I think if we start trading instead of sitting unemployed it can bring us a lot of good things. But I have seen that people who are busy with trading can get good idea about trading. But I have been away from trading for a long time before now again.  I have started trading again. If you trade you can earn good amount of money from here but for this you have to have a good idea about trading.

Trading is one option for those who are seeking a stable job. Whatever people are saying about this whether it is a job or not, what is important is that it gives us a chance. In fact, traders also exert effort and time doing this just like we are employed. It is not different from other forms of jobs but it is special in the way that it involves high risk and no earning assurance. Although we can possibly earn huge amounts but also, the potential of losing our money is big. That is why many never find it the best option, only risk-takers choose this.

Yes traders are not employed but self employed, it’s like running your own business. You’re working for yourself at your own pace and no boss breathing down your neck.
People get into trading part time while others do it full time for life, it just depends on how well you know how to trade.

No matter how you would really be treating it out it doesnt matter whether a business or a job or an investment because we do have our own impressions towards trading. Thing here is that you do really be able to 
have that opportunity to make money or income with it if you do really know on what you would really be gonna be doing. It is really just that this kind of thing is really that not that easy to get involved with or something that not everyone could be able to have a good grasps with it. Come to think that not all would really be that good on handling themselves about on how this market works or behaves.
It would really be needing that kind of adjustment for you to have that kind of sustaining on dealing with trading. Just dont make yourself that being too desperate when doing trading because being desperate
on making money will really be leading into that disaster on which you would be piling up tons of loses because you cant really be thinking off well just because of having that kind of intent into your mind.

some people equates job to working time constraint, for example, many also don't take freelancer seriously although they actually do something, being productive and earn money, but many don't consider it real job because the time is flexible and the earning is uncertain.
this is how mindset affects how people judge each other, if the norm is working 9-5 then people will consider 9-5 works as a real job and disregard the other.

to be honest, in my opinion, activities that spends your effort in turn of getting profit I think is always a job, like trading, you analyze market almost 24/7 there's definitely so much effort going on, but some people ignore it, only when we are making profit then they see we are doing something with trading, even though the effort to be a profitable trader isn't a small effort.
it'd be great if authority considers whatever job people are doing outside of the traditional ones as a job somehow.

well, in fact, people will see it as a job when we make a lot of money from it. However, if we don't make a lot of money from trading, people will still say we are unemployed. In fact, we don't need to think about what other people say when we focus on an area. They will eventually recognize someone when they succeed at their job. A businessman will also not be recognized as an entrepreneur if he does not make any money from it, or only makes a loss. Sometimes, they are recognized by entrepreneurs and business people when they have been successful in that field.

Some people consider those who trade as unemployed because they have not been able to get big results from the trading they do, of course we don't need to care about this because in trading of course we will be able to get big profits after mastering trading well.
To be able to make big profits in trading, of course this is not something that is easy to obtain, it requires knowledge and skills in trading and those who have been able to make big profits from the trades they make of course have a good understanding of how to analyze the market and knowing the right time to make a trade so they can make a profit on the trades they make.

You are right; it is important that you have knowledge of trading. It's hard to just rely on guesswork because you don't understand anything about reading charts or using indicators on the trading exchange platform.

That's the problem with most people, who always rely on assumptions and guesses that have no certainty. Yes, all the analysis that are done are just predictions, but there is a basis for why that is their prediction, not just a prediction that has no basis.

Yes, trading is a job or an investment, it's just a different way of calling it for each person and that really doesn't matter, what matters is whether we can make money from it or not. Even if we argue and prove ourselves right but we lose money in trading and even lose all our assets in trading, so what is the use of arguing with others?

To me, unemployment is when you cannot make money, cannot make a profit in your job. No matter how hard you work, if you don't make a profit, it's still unemployment or, more seriously useless.

Its easier to said, I know we know how dangerous and risky trading is and if not done with care and catiousness it will cause a lot of money from us, yes trading maybe an alternative to stable jobs, it can be treated as full time job but imagine the stress and anxiety you may get, only strong willed and strong mind could handle it and at the same time can handle different situation, I'm pointing is that trading is not for everyone so if you are thinking of letting go of your stable job and focusing on trading then thing again, you should know that you might expect to lose some in the process and you might want to think again before deciding and changing your profession, or if you can you can keep both, you can trade daily only and if you have time while you are doing your stable job.

if you are trading and at the same time have a stable job, it is not bad, At the same time, some people trade without doing any work and are doing well financially, is just for once that we choose a part we want to follow because we can not succeed if we don't decide, and trading requires a lot of effort, patience, and research, but it is very beneficial when you know what you are doing, As you trade, we should be more professional and also learn to share our minds with people who know more than us. That way, we can do better and keep improving. that is how people become better. the risk is quite alright but at the same time, the profit is also there.  and if not for our carelessness, there is no way you can lose all your money to trading except if you want to explore some parts, like futures, and even if you are exploring, you have to explore with sense.

There was a man in my village who had no institutional knowledge and was of the goofy type. He had a beautiful daughter and wanted to marry her off to a good working boy. One day marriage came for the girl who owns a well-known company. Even after that, the man refused to marry his daughter to the owner of the company because the man was not a job holder. Tried to explain that he doesn't work but he gives jobs to many people but to no avail.
Now coming to the main point, those who think traders are unemployed are like that girl's father. Anyone who believes that just by working under someone, they are no longer unemployed.

As much as others find it a stable job, but for me trading should only be a profitable side job, hence you need to find a real stable job at least wherein you will receive a fixed amount of salary every month. That way, even if you lose from trading, you still have other job that will pay you consistently.

However, a lot of us here are still trying to focus on trading alone and leave their current jobs. That’s everyone’s choice and preference, but be sure to have a stable finances first before you resort into trading alone, as it can offer you huge earning but it can always mess up with your funds and leave you nothing in just a blink of an eye.

No one will call you unemployed when you have a lot of money. It doesn't matter whether you have a job or not, having money means you are not unemployed. If you can support yourself and your family by trading then you are employed, if someone asks you, you will proudly say that you do online job which is my source of income. But if trading is your only source of income then you need to focus on your capital. In that case you have to do day-trading. More capital means more profit. Example - If you make $2 from $10, you can make $100 to $20. So in this case you need to have enough capital.

As said before, we call a person employed when he works for someone and gets paid on a regular basis and that too a fixed amount. But in case of trading this is not as it works. So yes technically the traders are unemployed. They don’t have fix income and sometimes don’t even make the money. But this doesn’t mean traders are poor, they make tons of money in single day only. But yes with this type of income it’s hard to pay regular bills. Hence I would prefer trading as part time only.

In order to sustain yourself only from trading you will require a lot of capital, which is why many people trade as their second job or convince others to pool their funds and increase the capital they have at their disposal while charging a small fee for the service, so the number of traders that can actually trade the markets exclusively for a living is very limited, and from that number the amount of those that fail is very high, while many others despite the success they can get, decide to stop trading as they discover it is too taxing to trade for a living.

Having tons of capital or big ones doesnt give out an assurance that you would be able to make yourself that support on day to day living or income with trading on which we know that it would really be still that varying or would really be that depending on how well you would really be making up your trades. WE do know that market is really that random and really that volatile on which you would be needing up that a skill that it is really that something that could really be able to sustain you for you to be able to make yourself that making trading as your main source of income. If you cant, then you shouldnt really be still making yourself having such decision on making it as a job. Doesnt matter on what we do call trading on, whether investment/job/hobby or whatsoever as long we are really that wary on the things that we are dealing off with then it would really be just that aiming on the same thing is on which to make some profits.

Technically you are talking right but if you are having money even this is not fixed and coming regularly, but you are able to spend this with things are getting better for you, It's also good and then peoples will never talk about you as unemployed because you're all things are setting, and you are having enough money for buying your daily usages.
Trading has never been taking as employment with usually its talk as business or traders so it's also good to touch with this and also having chance of earning good amount regularly which is currently important as inflation is rising and peoples are losing their power or buy which is surely not good thing.

Yeah, some people do not make money from it and still think that they have a job. A job is something you make money from and if you are insisting on what you can do or can't do or what you should be called or not called then you are going to miss the point.

Bitcoin income from trading could be considered a job and then you would be considered employed but making that money is more important than being called whatever, if you are making money from trading then being called unemployed wouldn't matter to you. However, if you are not making money and keep insisting that you have a job and you are going to eventually get better and this is what you want to do, then eventually the money will run out and you are going to end up with nothing at all which will hurt a lot.

Having a job that gives us income that can meet the needs we need is of course very important because it is difficult to get daily profits from trading if you don't understand it well and even those who are experienced still experience failure in the trading they do because without realizing it they have make mistakes on their trades.

Of course, we don't need to think about what other people say if we already have income from the trading we do and other people say that we are unemployed and we only need to focus on the trading we do so that we can continue to make profits from trading.

Crypto trading and unemployment are two different problems, where someone is an expert and understands crypto trading, of course this activity can become a job that makes him a lot of money every day, that's for sure, but it applies to those who are experts in that field/trade.

On the other hand, for those who do not understand trading at all, they only know, they have never studied, they immediately want to trade, If that happens, I'm sure that trading could result in unemployment and disaster for him, the understanding of these two factors depends on how they do it.

From your title, well, it depends on what you term as the "trader." Some traders are only from the mouth, they are not earning in the field, so what do you call them? What do you call the person who still loses/wastes the little he has into trading without having any job to help himself? That is even worse than being unemployed alone, such is a waster. This is why I say this context is relative, so it should not be rigidly suggested for or against to avoid misleading people.

What the OP wrote is good, but that is for the dedicated souls who are really in for trading and are making money from it. Even if such a trader is not making money yet, the greenlight of money-making would have been seen for such to have such boldness in trading to build his career. I am a trader myself, and not just a trader, but a professional trader who trades every day and earns reasonably. But this is not without its huge challenges, how many people can stay? Even those who are earning regularly in a month or two could have a very challenging month that would threaten to take all their money. Is this what many can beat their chest upon that they have a job with? It's deeper than mere saying.

However, if you are a consistent earner for a long period of time, I congratulate you. Do not let anyone look down on you. Be proud of what you do. What earns for you consistently and that you can trust is what you should be proud of regardless of what anyone may say.

Or simply it would really be something that will be situational on which you would really be that making yourself be the one treating it out but of course it will really be still needed up whether this one could be able to support your living or not. Doesnt matter whether its a job or not into other peoples eyes but this one could be possibly to be one because anything that brings income will really be definitely be considered by this.
It is really just that there are people who are really that rushing themselves on learning trading skill because they would really be doing on such thing on which we know that this isnt something a skill that you could really be able to learn up on a short period of time on which it would really be something that you would really be needing up to take tons of time and money for you to have a good grasps of it.
There are ones who would really be that be able to succeed and there are ones who would really be definitely be failing out just because they cant bare out on whats the risks that involved with it.

Well, as long as trading provides opportunities to gain profits, that will be considered a job that offers an income. You will exert time and efforts for you to succeed and be able to gain an income. However, if you jump into trading without learning and understanding its nature first, it will never be a job to consider. Although it might be an attempt to gain profits, but the process might only turn into a failure, and probably end up like gambling.

Trading becomes a job if you are consistently earning from it, but if you are only trading because others are trading and you are not making profits, probably it won’t fall as a real job. Once you don’t get paid in a single task or piece of work, that won’t be considered a job.

However, a lot still manage to find a job with trading, most especially for those who are good in technicals and even fundamentals in trading.

Reality is, people demand proofs and evidences so they’ll be convinced. If they won’t see any progress, they’ll end up teasing you because you are not bringing an income from your said job, and treat you as unemployed. Although their words and criticisms should not matter, but I guess majority of us still get affected in the end. This is the reason why we should only trade privately, at least even if we end up failing, they won’t know so they won’t be saying negative words against us.

96% people they are losing money in the market, what technical analyzes do you need to understand? this does not work ???  ;D

I hope you see how you're contradicting yourself with this statement. I know the importance of having side hustle even as a full time worker but someone who's employed and have confidence in their job will not be too bothered about side jobs. Let be realistic, trading is not qualified to be seen as an employment because of its nature. No one is calling traders unemployed but all we are saying is that trading is not a full time job, it's a side hustle on it own. You need to have a main job while trading should be the side one.

The point is, you can relied on your main job because the income is assured either weekly or monthly but side hustle income is not always guaranteed and you will not feel the impact too much if you have a main job. Relying only on side hustle like trading will sometimes make you handicap due to the inconsistency of the income.

The majority of the traders are really losers most of the time; only a few, we can say, get earnings from trading, and that depends on the extent of their understanding of trading here in cryptocurrency.

There are also others who do not think all their analyses are in line with the direction they see predicted, and only a few are correct in their predictions, and the majority are almost completely closed to it.

What do you mean by getting good things or good ideas in your trading? Are you equipped with knowledge about trading? Remember, in my opinion, getting a profit in trading is not easy to get. They definitely go through a process that is not quick and easy, they definitely experience quite a lot of losses in their learning process and it takes a lot of time. This is a job that not many people do, this job is full of quite big risks. If you have mastered the knowledge in trading, you will get everything in this job, you can even exceed the success of traditional workers in general.

Everyone has a different opinion when it comes to work or employment.
Some might consider crypto earners as unemployed, but for others as long as you are doing something and earning through it, then they would consider it as work or employed.
There were so many people who considered me as an unemployed even though I am earning in crypto and my earning before was even higher than a regular wage earner.

Exactly, the activities we do depend on the point of view of those who see it, there are those who understand that always spending time in front of the computer, those who see it will say it's useless, but when they find out that what we do produces large amounts of money, they will let it go. and maybe will provide support to us.

Yeah. For sure, no one will believe if you don’t bring anything to the table or don’t help them financially. Although it is better if you hide your source of income and do not showcase it, when you see that your family members see that you are doing better and you are not helping when they need it, there will be a problem because they won’t trust you and will see you as someone who is doing something illegal online.

However, you may view it as a joke that you said someone should buy cars and other expensive things, but to me, it is a good thing and not a joke because that is another way that will make them believe that you have something to do online and is not illegal because if it’s illegal, you won’t show things you have achieved. 

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For the heading of the thread, I can say yes, traders are employed because trading money is not a permanent source of income like a government job where you will be earning money monthly as trading can rek you at any time. trading will make you go broke in seconds, and that is why I won’t see it as a source of income.

Of course, trading is a job. But if one does it without acquiring prior knowledge and skills first and thus may lead into losses instead, then you won’t no longer see it as a job that creates opportunities to provide an income, but more of an idleness. You are doing it to take shortcuts to success and getting rich, which in return lead you to a more miserable life instead.

To me, crypto traders are not unemployed because they are earning from where they invested their money that make them employed traders, and from there they can generate more profit to establish other business that will make them wealthy like the way other Fiat traders use to increase higher through their trading.

Those that considered you as unemployed traders is because they never see the results of what you are trading, and they need to know what you are trading and what you are achieving from your trading before they will confirm you as employed person in the area.

Since am use to crypto trading over some years now, I will know that you are a confirme employed trader because you are making profits from your crypto trading.

Would really be that only considered to be as a job on the moment that you would really be going full time with it but if we do speak about having trading in together with your main day job then it would really be just that a side income but of course it doesnt matter on what its called because it would really be still having on the same purpose on which it would really be that basically earning money. The only thing which should be avoided is to make it as your last resort specially if you are jobless or someone who doesnt have some income. Dealing up with trading couldnt really be just be able to obtain or something that you could really be able to learn in a short time plus it wont really be giving out an assurance that you do able to get or make money with it on which simply means that you are really that putting up yourself at great risks on losing instead of earning.

In the moment that you do come into this point then it would really be better that you should be taking it slowly but surely. Dont expect too much about positive results all the time. Markets unpredictability
would be the toughest thing that you would be able to encounter.

Trading is a broad subject, to be honest, but it's not easy to learn. That's the honest truth about things like what we're talking about here. There are things to consider when we study it or anyone else. Though it cannot be denied that it can really be a tool for us to get profit, it can also be a way for us to lose money or capital in the end if we are negligent traders.

I can also say that being a trader in any sector, whether online or traditional, can be considered to have similarities to being a worker on a trading platform. But if you are in crypto, maybe you can say that you are a freelancer, because we don't have an employer here, but we have to work for it, take time, and use the internet in a short amount of time.

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part. However, if you are employed, means you are working on a certain job that pays once you’re done, or you end up profiting out from doing the task successfully. Trading could only be a passion that is not making profits or it turns into a job that is giving you consistent income. It depends on how a trader is performing it.

This is clear understanding in the very simple statement.
Yes, the point is, unemployment means someone doesn't make money. If you are still able to make money, that means the person is trying. In fact, even if a person is not yet able to earn money but he is working or trying, he still cannot be said to be unemployed.

It's just that, in fact, in society, perhaps sometimes there is still a strong relationship with what is called work:
Wearing a uniform - leaving for work - coming home in the afternoon - there's an appointment - a clear place of work - there's a definite salary every month - there's a pay slip.

Meanwhile, others are considered to be doing unclear work and unemployment, or worse still, in my place, worshiping the devil to get money. ;D ;D

Everyone who has worked will definitely receive rewards, both big and small, which is very different from those who are unemployed and don't try anything and therefore can't have an income. If only they were willing to try, they would definitely be able to get results from their efforts, both in large and small amounts.
To get good results from trading, of course they must be able to master trading well so they can gain profits from the trading they do, because without mastering trading well it is of course difficult to get satisfactory results in the trading we do and in the future. In my opinion, trading is a job, of course it will be very risky if we don't have other income, because in my opinion it is difficult to get a steady income from trading and it would be better to make trading a job that provides additional income.

The trend of our society is to consistently live a routine life under someone's supervision or for an organization. A person who gets a job and a fixed salary is called a worker but the rest are called unemployed. This is a very disgusting thing. I have a friend who finished a master's degree without applying for a job and ended up running a large grocery store. His grocer's shop was remarkable in the whole bazaar where everyone shopped from there and he earned a lot of money from it even though the people of his village said he was unemployed. Isn't that funny?

Trading for me is like a tedious job as you need to be in front of your computer all the time. Sometimes if you fail to consider one aspect of that coin, you can easily lose some. So don't consider that you are unemployed if you are always on the computer trying hard to make some profits. Unemployed are those who are not looking for jobs even side jobs to earn a lil bit of income. If you are earning some, then, in some way, you are employed.

Do remember, unemployed individual mostly is seeking for work. But if you are a trader and you are not looking for work, then, you can consider yourself employed in your own manner. It is not just the typical job everyone knows.

It depends on how the individual carries out trading and if trading does not provide financial benefits then it should not be suitable. Unemployment is always associated with not having a job and if you can make money from trading then it shouldn't be a problem. The mistake of many people is to see unemployment in a much narrower aspect because we are considered to be working even though sometimes we don't make any money.

Now there are many models of work that do not require an office, time like general work or uniforms because technology has developed so much. Work can also be done anywhere as long as we know how to take advantage of existing technological sophistication. Unfortunately, society's thinking is sometimes too narrow and trading which can make money is also part of the job even though we manage our own time.

The statement is very clear, those who spend time working and exert some effort are employed (by themselves or by other people). Therefore, although we can't say that trading is not a good choice but at least, it gives those who are looking for something, a way to earn money while looking for a stable job to land with.

Well, it is just the fact that some people confuse themselves while trading because they think that being an employed person's money is certain.  But unfortunately, trading can't ensure such a thing.

It will depend though, I mean not everyone has the ability to focus on two things and we all know that trading requires you a laser focus and some more dedication because that's where the money is and you can't really afford to trade when you're exhausted from your work so technically if you want to really do things the right way with trading, you're probably going to have to let go of your job to do trading full-time, it's not recommended but that's just how it is, my point is that even if we don't generalize, we can never be too sure that this isn't the truth and that most of the time, unemployment for most traders is an inevitability.

I agree that many people mistakenly consider trading as a hobby or casual activity. However, trading can be classified as self-employment because it is a serious job. The Big Indonesian Dictionary says that people who work for themselves are called entrepreneurs.
A trader is his own boss. Since the market is unpredictable and constantly changing, it is recommended that traders have a stable secondary income to support their finances. By having a stable secondary income, you can maintain financial stability and reduce the risks that may arise from trading.
Don't be influenced by other people's opinions. If you feel comfortable trading and making consistent profits, keep working towards becoming a professional trader. Learn and improve your skills. ;D

What you say actually makes sense without having to refer to any big dictionary. Because in real life examples, it is quite clear that any trader would be better off if they had a stable secondary source of income in order to feel comfortable when trading for a long time on any stock exchange. So the option to have another source of income that can support the trading activities we are currently engaged in is a pretty good option if we can always focus on both of them on a daily basis.

           -     If you are an independent person and you do not have a regular job and you only rely on the extra income you have, and you enter this type of trading industry, it is quite a big challenge for this type of person. Because of course as you said at the beginning it will be extra to spend it on us while we learn trading in this field of cryptocurrency.

It's a bit difficult at the beginning, because you won't be able to make a profit in trading right away. Unless what we do in the beginning is long-term while studying it first. And at the same time extra income is made to sustain all the expenses we need on a daily basis.

It is almost impossible for everyone to focus on two things simultaneously but trading can often be done part-time rather than full-time. There may be less profit margin. We know that there is no other motivation in the world over money, money is what releases people's tiredness. Since there is money in trading, a person can spend some time doing any other work. But there have to be limited expectations.

Exactly because as you said, difficulties may indeed occur because knowledge about the world of trading is still very lacking and it is difficult to determine the right time to buy and sell with the profits we can get. But when we have a high desire and are still willing to study well and record all the trades we make, it will give us the experience to be better than before.

Wow, how can people around your village say that a man who makes money from the grocery business is unemployed! Aren't they crazy!

you are what you think and do, not what you hear or are directed at, every successful person must have a strong attitude and firm principles, he is not easily shaken even by the worst news, let the people around him tell us what we are, but what what we do is make money and make money, people don't know that the internet has become a gold mine now.

Those who have difficulty in trading certainly cannot carry out analysis well so they don't know the right time to trade and it will be very difficult for us to gain profits from trading so we will continue to experience losses if we don't learn trading well. I agree with you. Of course we have to continue to learn about trading and even those who have experience still experience losses due to the mistakes they make, recording the history of the trading we do, of course we will be able to study this again and if we fail we will be able to fix it.

As you rightly said, OP. Trading is both a full time and part term job depending on the individual. Some persons leave and fend off from Trading only while others Trade along side there jobs/business..
My take is, Traders are self employed of which you trade when you want to, and all activities are subjective to your demand.

Even as a Trader you can still have side hustle or work to keep you up in financing especially if you ain't profitable yet, nevertheless it depends on how you wanna build your financial wall.

I like your words, in this fast and tough era, everyone has to cover their ears when someone else makes fun of their way of earning money to feed their family

If you make money stably and are able to provide for your family through trading then just do it and don't listen to other people, just focus on what you are doing and make yourself a master every day

Sometimes hearing out things around isnt really that good anymore specially if you do hear up those discouraging words from other people on which we could really be able to say that those are those individuals
are really that not making themselves that effective or profitable with trading. Yes, its true that as long you could really be able to make money with trading neither being that your main source or side income
then continue on doing it and dont let others be influencing you on the things that you are currently doing. There are really just those people who are really that giving out those words or piece of advise but ending up
on not to be profitable.Mind your own business and you continue on where you do make money because not all would really be on the same state when it comes to this manner.

Trading couldnt really be a replacement for job but pretty sure that there are really those individuals who are really that making money with it. If you are really just that
good when it comes to it then continue and proceed.

     It's true what others are saying here, and it doesn't mean that you study that immediately. Of course, you or we will go back and forth on what we have studied until the day comes when we have an understanding of the trading that we informed you of so that we can have a chance to earn here.

     It's really different because we have the money we draw to buy crypto assets that we think can produce profit for us as traders.
Even if it is said that we are also employed here,.

Trading is actually designed to be a side job, hence the fact that it generates profits for those who are skilled traders, then literally it’s considered a job. However, trading can’t be reliable enough if you see it as a major source of income or a sole job, not only because of its unpredictable market, but also because we can’t expect trading to end up profitable at all times, therefore getting a real stable job is still a must.

With regards to people’s thinking about trading, I don’t think that would still matter. You know personally what’s happening in your trading activities, so you’re the only one who can tell if it’s really a job for you or not.

There is nothing difficult as long as each of us is willing to learn and try it until we get real profits through trading, because in trading it is also necessary to choose the right asset apart from choosing the right entry moment to buy and also when you want to sell it. Indeed, in general, when seeking profits, there must always be a process and effort that we do ourselves, but profits can definitely be obtained by people who never give up just because of a small loss they experience through trading.

In fact they are not crazy they have changed their view that if he studies he has to get a job otherwise his name will be written in the unemployment register. However it is very important to change this perspective in the social and economic development of the state. Because I have also seen those who do their favorite work under the pressure of the family and do the family's favorite work their income decreases a lot. For example I can earn a lot by working virtually using the Internet but my income will decrease drastically when I work due to family pressure.

Sometimes I just laughed when I see people that are only interested in going online to search for materials to read and learn one of two things to write about trading. The majority of people I see talking about trading especially the ones that like creating post about trading do not really understand what it is all about. Trading is not all about trading to advise people on the actually step they could take.
There are even traders that don't trader but their interest is to keep advising people to learn how to trade.

If you say trading is a job, then it is a very risky job. Traders lose money and make profit and most time, the market is always unpredictable.
For me, I see trading as side hustle which is supposed to be because I mostly lose money when it gets to a particular stage of the market. And I get liquidated even if I set stop loss. And that's because all my entries are not always right then.
So, whenever I start making profit, I don't see it as a thing to make me quit my job but a temporary way to earn extra cash.

Yes, even though some people might think that it is easy to move from a regular job to cryptocurrency trading, it is not as simple as they might think it is, and just like you, I would never recommend someone doing that before they think everything through before making a final call.

Leaving your job to become a full-time trader can only be good if you have already made all the preparations beforehand, you need to make sure that you have good capital to start with, enough knowledge so that you don't mess everything up, and enough understanding of the market. I would say that a person should only decide to become a full-time trader if they see that they are good at trading and are already earning good profit from it.

if you are well skilled trader you can easily make a earning in trading but of course trading must need to have a budget allotted on this and if you have a money for your trading journey it's good but if not it's hard to make use trading as possible way to earn this needs to have atleast a capital.
Trader must have both skills and money if you lack on this you will not become an efficient trader. IMO ideal if you have a stable job so you can have a monthly or weekly source of income if you lose your funds you have a backup that caters your daily needs to survive.

For me personally yes that traders are self-employed where they manage everything and can get income for sure. But in here at least, as long as you are not outside to meet someone for work matters they think you are just unemployed and they are questioning where the hell your money come from. The society in there have mindset that you need to go to office or something so you can be called employed, primitive mindset I would say.

While trading do not end up profitable for some, but for good and skillful traders, they make sure to trade and yield a decent income after. That shows that trading can definitely become a job if you are doing great at it, but if you only trade and lose most of the time, thus putting your money at waste, you are not doing a job but more likely an interest or a hobby. And certainly, no issue with it because as long as you keep practicing and harness your trading skills, you will certainly become profitable in the end.

That is rightly said but it is not only primitive mentality but disgusting mentality that those who earn at home are unemployed. It is a type of social disorder that creates barriers to the economic development of the society or the country. Many people have many skills and interests in information technology. They can improve the technology. But if a job is imposed on them, good results cannot be expected. So if every person in the society is aware and the country's government motivates people by recognizing freelancing or outsourcing then the country could develop faster.

traders are not employed but they have an earnings and sometimes it is bigger than the salary of the employed person, the only difference is when you are employed you have a boss, you need to finish the required production of the company or the required works to finished and you have to work whole day, while in trading it is just like you own your time and no superior to follow. So less stress than being employed by companies.

Theirs something we need to understand in trading been unemployed and also be a safe employed, because basically you have to understand the difference between trading and unemployed..from my perspective trading is basically a safe employed and it differs from getting employed or working for government, anyone who is a successful trader obtained a skill and he or she is making it ways through trading at that moment is a safe employed because it engage in something that fetched him funds without been dependent on government, its the government that employed people to work under them but a trader is independent on his job and if it experienced loss it will not complain to government neither any.

Traders can be employed but for it experience for years is necessary so if you are newbies and do not have enough knowledge then you cannot be at work as an employee because there will be more probability to lose money while an employee does not lose money when he does not work daily.

To continue trading or not is totally dependent on a person while as an employee you will be totally dependent on your boss for work. I think if you are not an expert in trading and fail to learn well then trading becomes more risky for you so at that time don't continue trading and work for another job.

One of the most or be the main consideration at the moment that you would really be stopping or resigning from your work is to make yourself that sustainable on your trading career.
If you do find yourself not be able to acquire or achieve such condition then ebtter think not to have those kind of hopes because its never been that so simply on acquiring up such skills that make you sustainable.
This is why as much as possible on where you wont really be quitting up your job at the same time you do make out those side trades on which this is something that will really be that give out at least having that
chance that you could really be able to improve  yourself way more better at the time comes that you do find yourself that sustainable then this is where you would considering on stopping.

Trading is never been that a solution on the moment that you dont have a job or making it as a ousrce of income. It is something that will really be that in line
with someones sustainability at the moment that you do find yourself into this kind of situation.

Yes that's correct. There are still many people who think that a job must have an office and there must be a salary every month. Many people misunderstand work. In fact, if someone can make money even just sitting relaxed in front of a laptop, then he can be categorized as not unemployed because what is said to be unemployed is that he has no income at all.

Trading for me is a job, even now it has become a profession for those who are experts in the field of trading. A job doesn't have to be physical before it can be called a job, in modern times like today there are lots of ways to earn income, even content creators can be said to be a job now because they make money.