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While the market was dangling and there was a strong fall in the general crypto market, I remembered the traditional bank savings where you could save your money and still get some interests on it. Imagine saving Bitcoin and earning interests on it when it has gone down and when it goes back up, you are in double profits margin, because it will be too risky to not have a way save your assets and your profits from the falling market and waiting for when the market is favourable.

I believe if a carnival like this(https://www.bitget.com/support/articles/12560603808932) can be adopted on crypto avenues, it could go a long way  to help traders safeguard their assets from the volatile nature of the crypto market, becauseI know if things like this were in place, I would not have lost my assets three years back after I made some profits from the massive bull market saw.

Yeah , imagine a money printing machine where everyone gets money by doing nothing, how could that be not a great idea?
Remember Celsius, that was a savings account, you would deposit your coins, get interest on it and then....you would have no more coins.

What part of "be your own bank" did you miss?

That’s same thing as staking of cryptocurrency which happens on Altcoins and also on bitcoin using some centralized exchanges. You get some percentage of APR for the time you state the coin with them. But my question is OP do you actually want to trust some entities with your funds for just small percentage of returns which to me isn’t what the risk? That’s simply just using the commercial bank and defeating the idea of having your own total freedom with your money. Should the entity encounter any problems your funds go down with it.

If you ask me I will say holding bitcoin on a non custodial wallet is more or less a way of saving your money and as the price increases you get the profits people who save fiat on banks get. It is somewhat even more better than Fiat because it doesn’t get affects with inflation

There is also something called taking profit and then waiting for a perfect buying opportunity (or buying the dip). I think this is far better that keeping my funds in an exchange in the name of staking and DeFi.

Do you know there are people who got burned by the FTX collapse because they were trying to stake and farm some yield?

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People tend to forget so quickly!

It's no longer crypto if you'd ask for that kind of feature. Crypto =! bank. We have to remember that the best thing with crypto is we can own and handle our own finances and unlike the banks, there's no need for any intervention and permission from them when we withdraw. Having a wallet is already your own savings account if you treat it like that.

I think we have to stop generating money from money for a bit and start making some investments, such as agriculture and industry, which may achieve profits or losses, but at least they are real money and not more printing. buy and sell Bitcoin at support and resistance points which is a good way to provide liquidity.

Ahah. I think OP means putting your stables & idle assets to work. Went through the link and I think those that meet the requirements can explore. Instead of having an idle USDT or BTC, staking is preferable imo
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If by 'crypto avenues' you mean cryptocurrency exchanges, then they do have savings plans for you to deposit your cryptocurrencies and get a certain percentage of APY or APR based on the coin or token you are using and their decided percentage of APY. As far as I know, every single centralized exchange has this feature including Binance, OKX, Bitget, Coinbase, and every other exchange you can find and think about.

A lot of people use this feature but they mostly use stable coins because they don't lose or gain value and the commission earned will have the same value throughout them having their coins staked. Saving or staking unstable coins, especially altcoins, can be a risky move because you never know what might happen to them, and if you have your coins or tokens locked when their price is crashing, you won't be able to sell them quickly.

So there are actually more cons than pros to it, and most importantly, you won't be holding your cryptocurrencies which is completely against the fact of having self-custody of your money. You could be using fiat and utilizing the bank for the same purpose, what's the point of being in cryptocurrencies then?

He or, more precisely, they did not miss anything because this topic was created with the intention of advertising the service whose link the OP posted. If you look at his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3565867;sa=showPosts), it is quite clear that he and at least one other account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3616524;sa=showPosts) that was posted in this topic is a shill for the mentioned company.

When you see what methods they resort to in order to get new clients, then it is clear what kind of service they actually offer.

Crypto is an asset that is bought/sold on the online crypto market and also a crypto asset that can be traded on a crypto exchange, not the same as fiat, which can be stored in a bank or in an account book, Crypto has an unstable price and is not fixed. Fiat has a fixed value, which can be stored in the bank without changing the value, only adding interest, crypto is not like that.

So what account option do you mean, crypto is clearly single, of course it doesn't make sense if that option is made, there are hundreds of types of crypto on the market and so do exchanges.

Such things goes against ideology of crypto, like already mentioned ''be your own bank''. If you put Bitcoins in savings account, it means that you don't have control of your coins and it can disappear at any moment. Is it worth to risk to get some interest? I don't think so. And in general, it's not worth to expect earning money without doing anything.
Back to bank topic, I'm not sure where are you from, but in place where I live, saving accounts is thing from the past. Back in past some banks were paying really solid interest, but now they're not doing it no more.You rather will have to pay fee yourself to use bank services.

Maybe they only like the idea on which a legitimate institutions will offer this and they would  get a certain percentage for storing just like what they do on the banks. But they didn't realize that its somehow risky since we are totally out of control on those funds and we might face some problems especially on verifying our proof of income since in crypto we don't have any steady source.

So I rather choose to hold my balance on my wallet  thab trying to deposit it on someones control since for sure that the same with fiat banks they will just take advantage with us and they are the one who get benefits with our deposited funds.

Since human danger is unpredictable and can happen anytime, I think everyone should have a savings account and keep money in the savings account. But if we can plan properly then we can definitely save money along with investment. Savings are important for an investor because if the investor does not have savings then he can sell the investment in times of danger. Investors should plan ahead and save some amount of money so that they do not have to sell their investments during times of danger. The amount of money we earn is not enough to manage our family. I think the perfect solution would be to divide the money that will be left over by managing the household into one part savings and one part investment.

That is the main issue with the concept of crypto saving accounts, lending and staking programs: safeguard.

To generate passive income from your holdings, you inevitably have to guarantee third party services direct access to your funds. And if they have access to your funds, it means it's not safeguarded anymore... Hacks, scams and inside jobs are possible to happen, and in positive case, your money is gone forever. There aren't assurances you are going to be reimbursed, at least not totally.

In previous cases, I've seen scammed customers being partially reimbursed by scammy services, but never fully. The law protects the individuals until certain point. For that reason, it's better to simply trust in yourself to protect your money, and forget about "guarantees" given by third party services and sectors of society, which in theory works nicely, but in practice cause little factual impact in society.

Not only that, but obtaining returns with Bitcoin is very difficult due to the price fluctuation and crazy rises. No one can take your money and then pay high profits on it. In the end, banks and exchange services are profit-making institutions, not charitable ones.

We have talked about this topic a thousand times before in the forum. Imagine that you stake your sats at a 5% APY (which, btw, is quite high): you should keep them for 15 years in that centralized exchange to double your funds, but you can lose it all in just a second if the exchange goes bankrupt or whatever.

For me, it's too much risk considering what happened to other big exchanges before. But who knows, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

We skipped the part of putting our money into centralized banking system that they might freeze our funds for even having no justifiable reason.
Now, going on with an exchange or any centralized crypto platform that offers a savings plan or account.
There's not much sense anymore with that if you're into crypto and you adhere into these plans that these platforms offering.
Might have some interesting questions to consider.
While use crypto if you're going to do the same as with your cash in the bank? Why use the bank if your money is going to dwell into a crypto as an asset? Which are you trusting more with your money? also, mentioning about the not your keys thing to consider....

It seems OP forgot why most of us started to own Bitcoin ;) and now he/she is going to the old problem again.
Well, it's his/her opinion because for sure he experienced it like maybe he started in an underwater position when he started to invest in Bitcoin, can't blame OP.

But in my honest opinion, I started owning Bitcoin a few years ago, and it didn't come into my mind to go back again in the problem Bitcoin solved started I own them like even storing it in a centralized entity.

Many savings accounts are pegged to US stock market indexes and assorted "safe" investments.

They work well during economic growth cycles, when market averages consistently rise to fund interest payments.

But become less viable when economic growth ceases.

If there are crypto ventures generating good profits with a need for further capital investment, they could issue dividend payments to investors in the form of interest payments.

But lack of success with hedge funds and mutual funds show complications brought on by investors investing and withdrawing funds at the worst possible times.

In which case, most in need of capital investment would probably pursue a more stable source of deposits than normal customers who might deposit $20,000 one week and withdraw $20,000 the following week in ways that screw up the payment model.

If you have a lot of bitcoin or altcoins, it is not a good idea to keep them on the centralized exchanges and platform to get the interest.Tradional fiat money is different that loses value over time and people put it in banks and get interest on it to get some extra money and also to have an hegde against inflation.

Bitcoin is totally different. You only keep bitcoins for years and years and overtime you bitcoin value will increase. There is no need to put your coins on staking, better just keep them save in hardware wallets and you will just be fine.  :)

In this situation of crypto market, you can also use it for agricultural purposes without keeping money in the bank. Your crops will become liquid when used in agriculture. This is a good way from the bank. You can take expenses as per your need. Regardless, you can make a good savings from your crops. By doing this, you will not have to face any risk.

Even if you say it's true, I doubt that somebody doesn't want or wish BTC to have the option of stacking or something similar. I don't say that it is needed, but something that you can get more of if you have it on your wallet. If BTC had such a mechanism, I seriously doubt that anyone would ever put his coins to any exchanger. 8)

It's better to have that the banks will have that savings account for crypto holders than the opposite. It's hard to comprehend that but a centralized platform having this is a sign that the adoption is growing but even with that, I don't think that many legit Bitcoin holders are going to save that in bank where it's easy if it's in us.

I have seen people that are staking their cryptos to exchanges and that's why it won't be surprising to see that even with their BTC, they'd stack it on an exchanger in return of little interest.

Your idea isn't bad, but in this case you have to trust a third party with your Bitcoin, which is highly risky. A few centralised exchanges offer this option called staking, but it's centralised, and you have to trust them. You may save your funds there like a traditional bank and get some return, but it doesn't guarantee that you will get your funds back. Anything would happen with your funds when it's on centralized platforms.

I prefer save yourself; just follow the DCA strategy and keep it in your wallet. Wallet should be non-custodial, so your funds will be secure. You will not get any monthly return, but at the end if you can hold patiently you can get a good return of course. Also, your funds will be safe, and you don't need to trust anyone else.

Coinbase does this already.

Take that 15% for example (which is abnormally high), and imagine that you cash out every year. You'd need more or less 7 years to double your deposit (and that's if they don't cut the interest rate during that time), but just a second to lose all your money if sh** happens.

I respect your opinion but to me that risk is not preferrable to having my coins idle (and, btw, not being obliged to pay taxes for them every year).

Being a junior to crypto market!
Before now i was thinking it's a new idea (saving Bitcoin and earning interest! ). But seeing this post and replys, history has already revealed itself. This means this forum is working and that makes it a golden privilege to be here. For sure others newbies not necessarily newbie to the forum but newbies to crypto in general would express same knowing and gratitude.

BE YOUR OWN BANK!
Here’s what it means;

Being your own bank means being in total charge of your finances. You manage your assets and make independent investment decisions. This gives direct control over your wealth. Empowering yourself through decentralized finance.



For there to have been history on this which was never favorable to the hard earned assets of individuals, this somehow makes OPs work a kind of bait to uninformed (newbies to crypto). This history can likewise repeat (as in unfavorably).
Guide your assets by being your own bank! If you want your assets to gain more, you take the risk involved. Not a waiting to mostly an unfavorable outcome in the name save and gain interest....

OP, I don't know what the situation was when you created this thread concerning that issue across board. Perhaps, that savings feature wasn't there but we do have something of that sort now. I've seen it on some of the exchanges I'm on and it's under Earn or Simple Earn. You've to activate it to enjoy that benefit, anyway. I haven't activated on any yet and my coins are fluid, as in I'm often transacting them and not idle them.

It's the same way some of our Fintech banks work. If you don't activate savings on them, you won't earn the daily interest accruing from keeping cash in your account, except a monthly savings interest which is almost like nothing.

Hey OP if you come again on forum, the idea seems feasible but the best way to execute this now everyone listen to me on this one. Its a community Lightning node right at your city hall and in order to ender the building you have to pay a $10 processin gee into that node directly. Only one door exists in this house so at least one  employee everyday has to clock in and out to even leave I was told some nights she' didnt even get any sleep. Now this happens if trump and elon don't sell the new bitcoin federal reserve to the same ones running it down to zero. Other then that I do not see any good way to do a savings account. An your only pulling out when you need it hence we come with instant withdraws up to $600

Staking is one option where you can place your crypto at a central site and get interest on it. But this is something I would never recommend or do myself. When you deposit your crypto to any exchange or site, you risk your money at the hands of that central place. It violates the most important saying that "Not your keys, not your coins".

Secondly if you want to stake bitcoin you may get some portions of bitcoin (you may resemble it with interest) but if you keep bitcoin in your personal wallet, with the passage of time it will increase its value and you may get more returns as compared to putting your fiat money into any central banks.

Today I was chatting on Telegram with a stablecoin enthusiast, and he was the first person who managed to explain to me why they are even needed. Before that, I thought of them as a useless buffer between Bitcoin and fiat, adding an extra layer of risk (an extra switch to be pulled). I used to think that for those who don’t want to keep their savings in Bitcoin, it’s better to store them in bank accounts. After all, from there you can also spend directly, and the risk of loss comes only from two sides: the government and the bank (without the third party - the stablecoin issuer - who could also contribute to a loss).

But he explained to me that stablecoins are needed in order to enjoy the advantages of a bank (for example, interest-bearing deposits) without the need to actually go to a bank.

So I support this idea: for stablecoins, savings plans really make sense. But for Bitcoin - they don’t. Bitcoin preserves its value without the need for deposit interest.

Even in the decentralized crypto FIs website. I won't take that risk and will not use them either. While some offers are quite decent and attractive, still, they're prone in attacks and bugs and that's why I won't stake to any of them too.

We have to change and inform others that it's depositing bitcoin to earn interest and not staking because it's not a POS. But I agree, that it's better to hold it than to bother yourself putting it into those platforms that shall give you interest, they're risky.

Where do you think all the Celsius clients' coins went?

From what I recall, creditors were actually paid back in full, except for those who, for some reason, didn't want to complete the KYC process. And you have to wonder why—it's unlikely they were honest people.

Crypto bankruptcies generally end with full repayment of losses, sometimes even more. That’s a fact.

Celsius users got a 80% paycut, they didn't get paid in full.
MtGox victims get paid more in $ *not counting inflation) because the assets appreciated, if not they would have got 10%.
Ftx? Paycut!
3AC? Recovered less than 1% through chapter 15!

The success stories you hear are just because BTC appreciated 3x or 6x times between the loss and the reimbursement, but the money was always paid in $. How would you feel if your brokerr would pay you back at the price of shares back in the 70s?

Every 'Bitcoiner' is free to create their own savings account. The steps are
not very complicated.

Step 1. Buy a hardware wallet directly from the manufacturers (not from
a third party)

Step 2. Buy Bitcoin and transfer it to your wallet

Step 3. go to Step 2 and repeat

Step 4. HODL

Step 5. Ensure your Wallet and seed phrase are securely in your possession.

Celsius users got a 80% paycut, they didn't get paid in full.
MtGox victims get paid more in $ *not counting inflation) because the assets appreciated, if not they would have got 10%.
Ftx? Paycut!
3AC? Recovered less than 1% through chapter 15!

The success stories you hear are just because BTC appreciated 3x or 6x times between the loss and the reimbursement, but the money was always paid in $. How would you feel if your brokerr would pay you back at the price of shares back in the 70s?


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I'd be more than happy if my broker paid me back all my money, just like what happened with those crypto platforms you're talking about.

It doesn't matter how or why it happened. The fact is, the money was returned. Demanding extra for some kind of "lost profit" in a bankruptcy case is just absurd.]