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Title: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 06, 2024, 01:13:49 PM
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We are pleased to bring another creation from the Cro2 laboratory to Bitcointalk community!

This time, we’re debuting the high risk high reward Last Man Standing competition that we will pilot during the Euro 2024 tournament.

How does it work?

  • In a BSFL-like system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438071.0), a questionnaire will be sent before each round of the EURO2024 competition and you will have to submit your answers before the deadline.
    The difference is that it will not be a H2H format, but a winner takes all type of competition where the total amount of points at the end of the tournament will define the winner.
  • There are 8 rounds in total – one round before the competition starts and another for each Euro round (3 in groups, 1 in R16, 1 in QF, SF and the final).
  • All teams with the lowest amount of points per round (ignoring the initial pre-tournament bonus round) will be disqualified from the tournament after the end of that round.
    If they want to continue playing, a re-entry buy-in fee must be paid before the next round’s deadline.
    Please note that if you have the highest amount of total points and are the worst one in that round, you’re still disqualified.
  • The re-entry fees are 0.5 mBTC after Group games 1, 2 and 3, 1 mBTC after R16, 2 mBTC after QF and 5 mBTC after the SF round.
    Re-entry fee must be paid 24h after the end of the previous round.
  • The points are calculated after the final round and the winner is the person with the most points collected. If there are multiple players with the same amount of points, the prize will be equally shared among them.

Prizes and buy-ins

  • The main prize starts at 0.1 BTC and rises with re-entry buy-ins.
    Sponsorship money has arrived and you can track the balance on our escrow address (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qkd9ue66dryjgnf99apfwfyrpdpy7mndsgg56cyat0ts5q74tzj9q2zsdm0). All of it goes to the Last Man (Men) standing.
  • Initial entry is free for members of all SB sponsored competitions (paid pools + BSFL, not free bet contests), otherwise it’s 1 mBTC.
  • All buy-ins go to the main prize, which we’ll transparently increase after every round and you will be able to track it on dedicated escrow address in real time.
  • There is also a 1000$ freebets budget to award. Currently we plan to evenly distribute the freebets to all people reaching the finals, excluding the winner.
    We might change this at a later date when we see the amount of players that signed up.
  • Every member that reaches the knockout stages (passes the initial 3 rounds, either regularly or with rebuys) will receive a 0.5mBTC freebet.

Competition rules

  • There will be a questionnaire for every round and it will consist of multiple questions – the BSFL participants already know how it looks like.
  • There will be 10 questions in the pre-tournament round, 10 more in the group stages, R16 and QF and 5 questions in semifinal and final rounds.
  • Total amount of points possible to collect will vary per round.
    Group rounds, semifinal round and final round will have a maximum of 10 points possible to collect, while the pre-tournament round, R16 and QF rounds will have a maximum of 15 points.
    In these rounds with 15 points as the maximum some weighted options will be offered in some questions, so there will be options to win 1 or more points – based on answers.
    In the semifinal and final rounds there won't be weighted options but each answer will be worth 2 points.
  • This difference in points was made so that catching players is more possible – the average possible point per question rises from 1 to 1,5 to 2 as the tournament progresses.
  • You can use VAR (change one of the answers before the deadline) 3 times during the competition.
    BSFL participants already know this, but to use VAR you need to send the pick you want to change to Trofo or me before the submission deadline for that round.
  • All questions will be strictly about football on EURO2024.

Submission rules

  • We plan to cover every game in the EUROS - therefore submission time will be much shorter than in BSFL (sometimes even less than 1 day).
  • We will notify you twice - at the time we post the questions and 1-2h before the actual deadline.
    Please install Telegram Bitcointalk bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0). You will get notified every time we tag participants for important info.

Late submission penalties

  • In case of late submission, the player can still play in that round if he pays the evil fee.
    Evil fee is the same fee that would have to be paid if the player was the last one in that round, so 0,5mBTC in the group stages and 2mBTC in the quarterfinals.
  • If a player that rebuys after late submission ends up with the worst round result, his submission does not count towards the ‘lowest score’ group.
    This means that if he’s the worst one with 3 points and 7 others have 4 points, all of them are out of the competition unless they rebuy back in.

Sign-up form

You can sign up here. (https://forms.gle/khdX7pXxZVVEgnSG7)

The submission list can be seen here. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11HHtGxshzs4eYnP_uqU1xy3He6KF3JYmFZ9bD6ZVi2k)

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We’re happy to hear your comments about the format and are ready to start discussing EURO 2024.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 06, 2024, 01:14:16 PM
Reserved


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: darxiaomi on May 06, 2024, 02:27:28 PM
Like i said in the BSFL post count me in and thanks for bringing another majestic contest.

As far as i read is a combination of BSFL and the system used in PotB of UCL made by Buwaytress or im missing something?.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: buwaytress on May 06, 2024, 02:31:38 PM
I expect to see 30+ people minimum from BSFL and pools alone. I'll probably buy-in after the inevitable "getting kicked out" phase, 9.5mbtc set aside for buy-ins -- that has got to be the most premium fee on forum, but the format and prize makes complete sense.

Perhaps a question because of the possible tight deadlines -- what if the buy-in to deadline timeframe is very small? Just thinking of possible Bitcoin network run-ins here plus timezone. Will affect me as I'll be in a very different timezone during the tourney, I suppose one should be able to request buy-in and pay perhaps with a grace period?

P.S. What happens if a non-man joins? Will they be the Last Non-Man Standing? #shitpost

P.P.S. darxiaomi Beat me to first post -- I have a feeling Cro2 came up with something smoother!


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Jinetics1111 on May 06, 2024, 02:43:58 PM
Sounds like fun. ;D ;D


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 06, 2024, 02:50:47 PM
Perhaps a question because of the possible tight deadlines -- what if the buy-in to deadline timeframe is very small? Just thinking of possible Bitcoin network run-ins here plus timezone. Will affect me as I'll be in a very different timezone during the tourney, I suppose one should be able to request buy-in and pay perhaps with a grace period?
There is one very short deadline period and we will have a grace period that time for sure. You will have to be able to come online to post answers anyway. Other rounds should be fine.

9.5mbtc set aside for buy-ins -- that has got to be the most premium fee on forum, but the format and prize makes complete sense.
Nobody is going to spend that much, if you are last every round, no point in re buying, you will not get to first place :) Rough estimate, I don't think anyone will buy in more than 3 times and that is pushing it.

As far as i read is a combination of BSFL and the system used in PotB of UCL made by Buwaytress or im missing something?.
He did not kick the worst ones every round out of the competition :)


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: jeremypwr on May 06, 2024, 03:14:02 PM
Another 🔥 collab from Cro2  :D

https://media1.giphy.com/media/hUVybAnJlnp7O/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9529ihudta1xxo305f5a2qglxbtz6vg04svjzojdt4t&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: bullrun2024bro on May 06, 2024, 03:49:52 PM
I am in! Sounds great! Will be filling out the form later today!


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Harkorede on May 06, 2024, 04:16:54 PM
I sure do love this new one, it's going to be another cracker, can't wait!

I've just submitted my response for the form! I guess cryptofrka was very right about his pre-announcement saying we should expect some big one for Euro, and alongside SB they've delivered another big one, yet again!


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Woodie on May 06, 2024, 04:52:13 PM
Last Man Standing, like the sound of this one...

Let's do this..


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: famososMuertos on May 06, 2024, 05:23:22 PM
The dream of every BSFL player, represent their 'Team' in the Euro 2024, each season in the BSFL has in this competition all the possible experience factor, although the Meme factor in the post above is latent.  :)

On the other hand, as long as the time to deliver the responses is 24 hours, at least it is not a problem. 

Prizes include drinks!! ??


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 06, 2024, 06:17:55 PM
Like i said in the BSFL post count me in and thanks for bringing another majestic contest.

As far as i read is a combination of BSFL and the system used in PotB of UCL made by Buwaytress or im missing something?.

Not really, in buwa's Pot B you could pick the games. Here you'll still have to answer all the questions, like in regular BSFL.
In some rounds (just 3 out of 8 - we want to test it for the future without risking too much) there will be just a few questions that will be inclined to one option, with a riskier option available for more points.

If we asked in BSFL who quailfies to the final, Real or Bayern, most would pick Real - and the bookies give it 1.50 odds. But if we awarded 1 point for Real and 2 for Bayern, some people would risk with Bayern.

These kind of questions we will have in the preliminary round (that is the one that will be settled only at the end and have questions like winner, best goalscorer etc), in R16 and in quarterfinal round.
With this we want to keep it exciting even if you're 5 points behind - this way it gives you more options to try and catch up.

I expect to see 30+ people minimum from BSFL and pools alone. I'll probably buy-in after the inevitable "getting kicked out" phase, 9.5mbtc set aside for buy-ins -- that has got to be the most premium fee on forum, but the format and prize makes complete sense.

Perhaps a question because of the possible tight deadlines -- what if the buy-in to deadline timeframe is very small? Just thinking of possible Bitcoin network run-ins here plus timezone. Will affect me as I'll be in a very different timezone during the tourney, I suppose one should be able to request buy-in and pay perhaps with a grace period?

We aim for 50+, which means that with re-buys the top reward might increase quite a bit. I will surely re-buy to eternity if needed but as Trofo said, 2 or 3 might be the soft spot.

Prizes include drinks!! ??

Sure, but the check is paid by the..
..
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Last Man Standing!

___________________________________

We're really excited about this format, guys.
If it goes well, it will probably run as a side-competition in each BSFL season where players from all divisions can participate together.

More about that if this goes well though ;D


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: arallmuus on May 06, 2024, 08:04:13 PM
  • Initial entry is free for members of all SB sponsored competitions (paid pools + BSFL, not free bet contests), otherwise it’s 1 mBTC.

and this is why folks you always join SB sponsored pools. Either join one of them then you will receive lots if benefits from Sportsbet ! not to mention chances to win all those prizes across tournaments

If we asked in BSFL who quailfies to the final, Real or Bayern, most would pick Real - and the bookies give it 1.50 odds. But if we awarded 1 point for Real and 2 for Bayern, some people would risk with Bayern.

These kind of questions we will have in the preliminary round (that is the one that will be settled only at the end and have questions like winner, best goalscorer etc), in R16 and in quarterfinal round.
With this we want to keep it exciting even if you're 5 points behind - this way it gives you more options to try and catch up.

Well I answered yes on the signup form wether I understand or not but I probably only get around 80% of it lol. So in summary, it should be pretty similar to BSFL with abit twist on it so basically you just need. Well either way, Im really excited to see which one of us will ended up taking all those prize home though. Its alot of money at stake lol[/list]


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: notblox1 on May 06, 2024, 10:08:51 PM
We are pleased to bring another creation from the Cro2 laboratory to Bitcointalk community!
We know mafia is using laboratories for making expensive powders  ;D

You guys are going to be very busy this summer If EURO 2024 competition is going to be active in the same time as BSFL league.

Sign-up form
I have to read the rules again tomorrow when I am rested, but I like it after quick look and I have no choice but to join.
Tell me what is the last deadline for signing up?

Last Man Standing!
Now LMS needs logo  :o


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: slackovic on May 07, 2024, 06:21:39 AM
/snip

We're really excited about this format, guys.
If it goes well, it will probably run as a side-competition in each BSFL season where players from all divisions can participate together.

More about that if this goes well though ;D

The format sounds great to me! I never thought about getting more points for choosing the riskier answer, but it makes sense. Just like with betting - your earnings go up if you go with the riskier option.

I have a question about buy-ins. Are we allowed to buy-in only when we get kicked out? For example, if someone gets kicked out in the first round, he can buy-in only for the second round or can he skip a round or two? I guess not, but just want to be sure.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 07, 2024, 07:05:25 AM
Well I answered yes on the signup form wether I understand or not but I probably only get around 80% of it lol.

That's good enough, we'll explain in more detail if needed when we start.
So far it seems that everybody understands, but it's people from BSFL so far so that's normal.

We'll see how the new ones answer ;D

You guys are going to be very busy this summer If EURO 2024 competition is going to be active in the same time as BSFL league.
...
Now LMS needs logo  :o

That's the plan! We watch all Euro games anyway (at least I do, I'm sure Trofo does as well) so why not have some fun with it?
BSFL will keep running normally, there won't be any double questions but BSFL will be heavy on EURO as well.

Regarding the logo - it's only a 1-month long competition. If you want to showcase your skills though, we'll gladly add it :)

I have a question about buy-ins. Are we allowed to buy-in only when we get kicked out? For example, if someone gets kicked out in the first round, he can buy-in only for the second round or can he skip a round or two? I guess not, but just want to be sure.

You have to buy for the next round. Anything else is pointless for you anyway, because the person with most points in all rounds combined is the winner - getting to the final doesn't give you anything other than the freebet and there's no way you get the 1st place if you miss a full round.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: slackovic on May 07, 2024, 07:22:40 AM
/snip

I have a question about buy-ins. Are we allowed to buy-in only when we get kicked out? For example, if someone gets kicked out in the first round, he can buy-in only for the second round or can he skip a round or two? I guess not, but just want to be sure.

You have to buy for the next round. Anything else is pointless for you anyway, because the person with most points in all rounds combined is the winner - getting to the final doesn't give you anything other than the freebet and there's no way you get the 1st place if you miss a full round.

Yeah, that makes sense. I forgot the part where the winner will be a person who gets most points in all the questions. It's different than what we have in the BSFL so that's why I was confused. Thanks for clarification.

Again, I must say thank you for organizing such competitions to you two and to Sportsbet for sponsoring it. I don't like pools, but I love this kind of competitions.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: slaman29 on May 07, 2024, 11:03:18 AM
Coming in from BSFL of course so I LOVE THIS :)

But, let me clarify. I guess I understand the rules but just want to ask, sorry :P

Firstly. the BTC prize is just 1, for the best winner right? Only 1 winner so it's the guy with most points from all the rounds.

Secondly, then, I guess, the re-buy-in won't make sense if you have too few points right? I'm just trying to think of a reason why someone would buy in again since if you are kicked out, you are with very big distance from 1st already. I would for sure rebuyin if it's a format of like the old Sportsbet Bracket Challenge. Everyone who makes it starts with zero points again.

But if #1 has 10 points and I got 5 in round 1, why would I buy-in again to chase 5 points?

This is important to ask because let's say, before the final, if 1 guy is too many points ahead, the rest will feel they will not want to re-buy for 5mbtc, then nobody rebuys and the "Final" is not exciting.

Finally, what if many people are tied for lowest points, how do you eliminate players? Penalty question? Not sure I understood this. The rule says

All teams with the lowest amount of points per round.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 07, 2024, 11:11:06 AM
Coming in from BSFL of course so I LOVE THIS :)

But, let me clarify. I guess I understand the rules but just want to ask, sorry :P

Firstly. the BTC prize is just 1, for the best winner right? Only 1 winner so it's the guy with most points from all the rounds.

Secondly, then, I guess, the re-buy-in won't make sense if you have too few points right? I'm just trying to think of a reason why someone would buy in again since if you are kicked out, you are with very big distance from 1st already. I would for sure rebuyin if it's a format of like the old Sportsbet Bracket Challenge. Everyone who makes it starts with zero points again.

But if #1 has 10 points and I got 5 in round 1, why would I buy-in again to chase 5 points?

This is important to ask because let's say, before the final, if 1 guy is too many points ahead, the rest will feel they will not want to re-buy for 5mbtc, then nobody rebuys and the "Final" is not exciting.

Finally, what if many people are tied for lowest points, how do you eliminate players? Penalty question? Not sure I understood this. The rule says

All teams with the lowest amount of points per round.
Tackling your questions in opposite way. All teams with lowest points seems pretty understandable to me. If the lowest acore is 2, all that scored 2 are eliminated.

Regarding rebuys, it is on each of us to judge if it is worth it. Just remember these questions are always in balance not like in Superbru. So leader is far from guaranteed to get good score. It is quite probable that someone gets 8 points one week and then gets 1 point in the next round and find himself eliminated.

There is also at least 1000$ free bets pool to be split on all that reach the final. Will be a lot of tactics in final rounds for sure.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Chi20 on May 07, 2024, 11:41:56 AM
This is very interesting....
I'm waiting ✋️ 😌


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 07, 2024, 11:49:54 AM
Firstly. the BTC prize is just 1, for the best winner right? Only 1 winner so it's the guy with most points from all the rounds.

Ideally, yes. It might happen that 2 or more players are tied with the same amount of points, then the prize will be equally split between them and we'll have Last Men Standing ;D


    ...
  • The points are calculated after the final round and the winner is the person with the most points collected. If there are multiple players with the same amount of points, the prize will be equally shared among them.

Secondly, then, I guess, the re-buy-in won't make sense if you have too few points right? I'm just trying to think of a reason why someone would buy in again since if you are kicked out, you are with very big distance from 1st already. I would for sure rebuyin if it's a format of like the old Sportsbet Bracket Challenge. Everyone who makes it starts with zero points again.

But if #1 has 10 points and I got 5 in round 1, why would I buy-in again to chase 5 points?

This is important to ask because let's say, before the final, if 1 guy is too many points ahead, the rest will feel they will not want to re-buy for 5mbtc, then nobody rebuys and the "Final" is not exciting.

Good question and the answer will vary based on how people approach it. I will pay all the way to knockouts for sure, because there's a lot of points still in play and I'll feel I can catch up even if it's 5 points difference.
If I'm 5 points behind in the final I'll be more careful ofc, but somebody will surely be closer than that.

The competition is purposely made in a way in which early rounds don't mean much. In 3 group rounds max you can get is 30 points, and in the other rounds it's an additional 75 points to play for.
Preliminary round is also something to take into consideration. If you're 5 points away from the leader but have better answers to some of the initially posted questions, that initial round might help you win it after all.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: buwaytress on May 07, 2024, 04:10:24 PM
Nobody is going to spend that much, if you are last every round, no point in re buying, you will not get to first place :) Rough estimate, I don't think anyone will buy in more than 3 times and that is pushing it.

Now that I read responses above, I understand better! Definitely won't make sense to rebuy if you're too far away from a realistic first place. But as cryptofrka explained further, there are many more points to fight for in the latter rounds, so yeah. I guess a buy-in or two makes sense if you're in with a shout!

We aim for 50+, which means that with re-buys the top reward might increase quite a bit. I will surely re-buy to eternity if needed but as Trofo said, 2 or 3 might be the soft spot.

If left to my devices, I buy in against all odds. Good thing I'm not these days thinking like an old man.



Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: slaman29 on May 09, 2024, 08:04:34 AM
Good question and the answer will vary based on how people approach it. I will pay all the way to knockouts for sure, because there's a lot of points still in play and I'll feel I can catch up even if it's 5 points difference.
If I'm 5 points behind in the final I'll be more careful ofc, but somebody will surely be closer than that.

The competition is purposely made in a way in which early rounds don't mean much. In 3 group rounds max you can get is 30 points, and in the other rounds it's an additional 75 points to play for.
Preliminary round is also something to take into consideration. If you're 5 points away from the leader but have better answers to some of the initially posted questions, that initial round might help you win it after all.

Thanks for clarifying. So it is meant to be like that then, although I still feel it's better to wipe the points each stage because of the buyin I realize it's the same thing in poker after all, you're free to buy in but in poker you have almost a chance to catch even the guy with 5x bigger bankroll if you know how to bluff lol

Looking forward to this one guys, honestly Superbru pools are plain so it's really nice to have extra on top. Don't get me wrong I love every season competition and I know most people prefer easy style of picking but it's great to have different formats.

Is Crofia also playing? ;)


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 09, 2024, 05:58:05 PM
Is Crofia also playing? ;)

Playing is for the weak, I'm winning.

On a more serious note, yeah - we plan to. This is something I wanted to play for years already, same as BSFL. Would be a bummer to have to watch from the sidelines.
As you from BSFL already know, in case we come close to the prizes we'll create some new rules for us so that there's no doubt in legitimacy of our answers.

Mafia's got you covered 8)


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: LTU_btc on May 09, 2024, 08:13:09 PM
Not spending that much time on forum in recent days, so, missed this thread and noticed it only now. Offcourse that I'm in, how can I miss such things. Submitted form already. BTW, as I see in OP of BSFL, it also will go as usual on the same time, I guess it also will be mostly about EURO.
Also, now don't remember who made it on EURO 2020, but are you or someone is planning to make good old prediction pool for EURO 2024? Though, knockout tournament pools is going in worst possible way for me and I should join :D.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: notblox1 on May 09, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
That's the plan! We watch all Euro games anyway (at least I do, I'm sure Trofo does as well) so why not have some fun with it?
BSFL will keep running normally, there won't be any double questions but BSFL will be heavy on EURO as well.
Very good.
Soon you will have to hire assistants to help you with everything ;)  
EURO is starting on 14 June, is that mean that LMS Last Man Standing questions should be answered on the same day, same as we do in BSFL?

Regarding the logo - it's only a 1-month long competition. If you want to showcase your skills though, we'll gladly add it :)
I am busy this days but I have one month to create something, and I had an idea to make small changes with EURO 2024 logo, but nothing complicated.




Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 10, 2024, 04:01:17 PM
Also, now don't remember who made it on EURO 2020, but are you or someone is planning to make good old prediction pool for EURO 2024? Though, knockout tournament pools is going in worst possible way for me and I should join :D.
Was it me? I think not  ;D Could be wrong. I sort of think hilarious was doing Euro and WC. Will shoot him a PM in couple of days if this does not trigger his response. If he is not doing it I can always organize it. I am thinking we will have a pool for sure but at this moment have no idea if it will be sponsored or how big the sponsorship will be. Gonna be a lot of promos for Euro for sure.



Sponsorship money is here  ;D Also this is the addy where all re buys will go and you can check it live

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qkd9ue66dryjgnf99apfwfyrpdpy7mndsgg56cyat0ts5q74tzj9q2zsdm0


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 10, 2024, 07:26:16 PM
EURO is starting on 14 June, is that mean that LMS Last Man Standing questions should be answered on the same day, same as we do in BSFL?

We will tag you on time for sure.
The preliminary round (winner, best goalscorer etc) and Round 1 will probably have the same deadline, which will probably be 1h before the 1st EURO game.
Last Man Standing will of course have different submission deadlines than BSFL.

Sponsorship money is here  ;D Also this is the addy where all re buys will go and you can check it live

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qkd9ue66dryjgnf99apfwfyrpdpy7mndsgg56cyat0ts5q74tzj9q2zsdm0

This has been added to the OP so you can track the balance more easily.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on May 10, 2024, 10:08:11 PM
Looks good guys, I’m interested, count me in.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 11, 2024, 06:58:19 AM
Looks good guys, I’m interested, count me in.
Seems like there will be quite a lot of us, already 30 plus and so far we didn't market this all over the place. Time to tell at least PL guys to join us.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 11, 2024, 01:03:17 PM
@famososMuertos, please check the submission form (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11HHtGxshzs4eYnP_uqU1xy3He6KF3JYmFZ9bD6ZVi2k).
There's a user with wrong BTT username (row 15) with SB username Fmbet - that might be you?

@BitcoinHunt3r - you marked yourself as not part of any SB pools. I changed it for you - this means you have free entry because you play BSFL.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: famososMuertos on May 11, 2024, 01:14:34 PM
...(//):::

Row15/B=famososMuertos  ::)

Thanks for the warning cryptofrka


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: notblox1 on May 11, 2024, 09:33:13 PM
We will tag you on time for sure.
The preliminary round (winner, best goalscorer etc) and Round 1 will probably have the same deadline, which will probably be 1h before the 1st EURO game.
Last Man Standing will of course have different submission deadlines than BSFL.
Great.
I guess we are using this topic for everything related with EURO2024 Last Man Standing discussion, I will have to save it for notifications.

Seems like there will be quite a lot of us, already 30 plus and so far we didn't market this all over the place. Time to tell at least PL guys to join us.
Very good numbers, this is going to be massive competition, but they all better read the rules carefully before we start, and everyone get your coins ready  ;D
EURO 2024 kicks off in 33 days: https://days.to/until/uefa-european-championships


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 12, 2024, 08:17:10 PM
I guess we are using this topic for everything related with EURO2024 Last Man Standing discussion, I will have to save it for notifications.
Yes, this will be the topic to discuss everything regarding this promo. Still early days, we need to wrap up all the major leagues and with them all the pools here on the forum before shifting our collective focus towards the Euro. This came out early as a bit of a teaser and to give you guys a chance to familiarize yourself with new format and ask if anything isn't 100% clear.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 15, 2024, 06:31:28 AM
Bump, have to keep this one alive until it starts and gets its own life. But this will be a good bump.

We secured another round of free beta for the competition, so in addition to 1000$ free bet divided between those that are live in last round now we have 0.5mBTC free bets to all that are live after the group stage. That should help to make decisions to rebuy in a group a bit easier to make.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: jeremypwr on May 15, 2024, 07:12:25 PM
Counting down 30 days until #Euro2024 🤩

Now it’s time to check the highest-scoring showdowns in Euros history presented by #Sportsbetio
👉 https://sportsbet.io/blog/betting-trends/highest-scoring-games-in-euros-history
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/15/1FQ48.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Sportsbetio/status/1790741456744780034


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 10:30:59 PM
I'm in  :)

Counting down 30 days until #Euro2024 🤩

Now it’s time to check the highest-scoring showdowns in Euros history presented by #Sportsbetio
👉 https://sportsbet.io/blog/betting-trends/highest-scoring-games-in-euros-history
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/15/1FQ48.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Sportsbetio/status/1790741456744780034

This thread needs more bumps, saw it just accidentally. It seems that no one wants to attract competitors  ;D
30 days will fly by quickly, I think it’s worth developing your betting strategies for the tournament now, the teams are calling their lineups and there’s a lot to think about.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 17, 2024, 08:25:40 AM
This thread needs more bumps, saw it just accidentally.

We're gonna slowly start announcing it more, especially considering that it's free to play for ~20 more people or so.
As you say, 30 days pass quickly and if you want to play this the right way some money needs to be put aside for rebuys.

Provisional squads have started to come out, I have to say that Nagelsmann surprised a lot of people with his.
This Germany looks really slow, not including Gnabry/Adeyemi might prove costly.

I also expected to see Hummels on the list, he's in great form. Goretzka isn't, but I still felt he'll make the list.

Overall I felt Germans are ready to go far, I'm not really convinced anymore.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: un_rank on May 17, 2024, 05:15:46 PM
I do not yet fully understand how this works. I have never looked to deep into the BFSL competition but I definitely want to be the last man standing, that part I understand pretty good.

Also I have been waiting on the EUROs pool, so if this is it, I am down.

- Jay -


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 17, 2024, 05:38:46 PM
I do not yet fully understand how this works. I have never looked to deep into the BFSL competition but I definitely want to be the last man standing, that part I understand pretty good.

Also I have been waiting on the EUROs pool, so if this is it, I am down.

- Jay -

It's not the only one, I expect there will be both the Superbru pool and Euro Fantasy to add to this. Not sure who the sponsors will be, but there will be takers for sure.
See if you like this one and then consider checking BSFL as well, we'll be into our 5th season by then so people seem to enjoy it.

__________________________________

Fellas, what do you say about the teams that are coming out? Netherlands not inviting Zirkzee is also something I did not expect, he's having a great season in Italy.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: un_rank on May 18, 2024, 02:15:25 PM
It's not the only one, I expect there will be both the Superbru pool and Euro Fantasy to add to this. Not sure who the sponsors will be, but there will be takers for sure.
See if you like this one and then consider checking BSFL as well, we'll be into our 5th season by then so people seem to enjoy it.
Sign me up for everything. I have gotten some answers on the PL pool, I will be joining the one that will be launched with same format, but also curious to try out this format.

Fellas, what do you say about the teams that are coming out? Netherlands not inviting Zirkzee is also something I did not expect, he's having a great season in Italy.
I would have picked him over Wijnaldum and Gravenberch. Koeman will also have a headache on what center back pairing to stick to and which fullbacks too.

- Jay -


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 18, 2024, 07:58:31 PM
I would have picked him over Wijnaldum and Gravenberch. Koeman will also have a headache on what center back pairing to stick to and which fullbacks too.

- Jay -

Same. One of those will probably be dropped, I think this initial team was over the limit.

I think they will go with 3 CB's, whenever they tried 433 they were terrible. In 343 and 3421 they look way more compact.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: un_rank on May 19, 2024, 06:14:39 AM
I think they will go with 3 CB's, whenever they tried 433 they were terrible. In 343 and 3421 they look way more compact.
If they go with that Van de Ven will have a strong chance to play as LCB. But again Ake has to play, he is one of the best defenders in the world today, and he favors playing at the left side of the defence. They will both probably be shuffled either side of Van Dijk.
I cannot wait to see the list of Belgium and Spain. I will pick one of them to win it over the hosts and the public favorites, England.

- Jay -


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 19, 2024, 07:40:31 AM
I think they will go with 3 CB's, whenever they tried 433 they were terrible. In 343 and 3421 they look way more compact.
If they go with that Van de Ven will have a strong chance to play as LCB. But again Ake has to play, he is one of the best defenders in the world today, and he favors playing at the left side of the defence. They will both probably be shuffled either side of Van Dijk.
I cannot wait to see the list of Belgium and Spain. I will pick one of them to win it over the hosts and the public favorites, England.

- Jay -
I don't see Belgium doing good, they couldn't when they were in their prime and now all their main players are older and nowhere near the form they had 4 years ago. I would pick them for the flop before picking them for the title.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: un_rank on May 19, 2024, 05:38:39 PM
I don't see Belgium doing good, they couldn't when they were in their prime and now all their main players are older and nowhere near the form they had 4 years ago. I would pick them for the flop before picking them for the title.
The EUROs' winners have been difficult to predict before the tournament for some years now, so I will be tipping some dark horses to go far. I never fancied Belgium during their golden era but will be expecting a good appearance from them. Get into the knock out stages and you never know what can happen from them on.

- Jay -


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: darxiaomi on May 27, 2024, 03:30:06 PM
Comment here more for bump than other thing.

How is doing, i expect to see more people from the forum joining, i hope to see more faces, well know and new ones when we were more close to the competition.



Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: buwaytress on May 30, 2024, 05:43:24 PM
Just looked at odds. England the favourite? Followed by France?

Netherlands getting between 16 to 20/1 odds is my tasty love affair, except for some strange decisions (keeping Gini in when he's had a shit few seasons by his Liverpool standards, and hey I actually like the guy). I should probably start betting on one every few days to get good odds eh?

Also, should mention a reminder by name some of the people in BSFL who aren't here -- it's the only Sportsbet competition still ongoing now that the rest of the leagues are over (Serie A doesn't count haha).


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: notblox1 on May 30, 2024, 09:28:00 PM
Just looked at odds. England the favourite? Followed by France?
Did you see amazing odds on Croatia to win EURO?  :o
They are always performing at their best in final competitions, but Germany will also have big support from home crowd.
I think Ukraine can be a nice surprise this time, but first I have to see what players are injured and missing for all teams, and some of them will be tired.

https://i.ibb.co/16vWGzJ/img151e9465191d4030619472abfbd7e628.jpg
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/soccer/international/european-championship/uefa-euro-2024-651c19901650fc000131e848


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: arallmuus on May 30, 2024, 09:47:32 PM
Did you see amazing odds on Croatia to win EURO?  :o
They are always performing at their best in final competitions, but Germany will also have big support from home crowd.
I think Ukraine can be a nice surprise this time, but first I have to see what players are injured and missing for all teams, and some of them will be tired.

Nah I cant picture Ukraine to win EURO but if I have to pick my top 3 then I would go for France, Portugal and Croatia to win. Obviously Germany sounds like a good option but the odds are not tempting enough for me to put my money on outright bet.

Only 39 players registered so far huh despite that we are around 2 weeks to go, kinda expecting it to be even more by now considering that the first entry is free to existed pool players.

Come on people, its almost $7k on top if you win !


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 31, 2024, 08:46:43 AM
Only 39 players registered so far huh despite that we are around 2 weeks to go, kinda expecting it to be even more by now considering that the first entry is free to existed pool players.

Come on people, its almost $7k on top if you win !

Yep, time to start announcing it a bit..

Let's start with BSFL members that haven't applied yet.
Guys - check the following competition and join if you like the format. It's free for you all - until you drop out at least ;D

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Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: mv1986 on May 31, 2024, 10:20:21 AM
Good you pinned me now @cryptofrka, so far I missed this thread entirely for some reason.

This is a fun format, but man imagine you are making it to the semi-finals, then the heart really starts pumping as there is a big paycheck on the line. Making it to the final is probably not even fun anymore when that round is to be played for $7k or so :D

But thanks to Sportsbet.io coming around with another impressive sponsorship!


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: cryptofrka on May 31, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
This is a fun format, but man imagine you are making it to the semi-finals, then the heart really starts pumping as there is a big paycheck on the line. Making it to the final is probably not even fun anymore when that round is to be played for $7k or so :D

I'd like to have this problem ;D

Just looked at odds. England the favourite? Followed by France?

Well, according to the names they are. I think England's taking it - they have so many options to choose from.
France hasn't been playing well recently and all other teams have neither the names nor the width of these 2 teams.

If I had to pick a dark horse, I'd probably go with Portugal - but only if Ronaldo will be used marginally. If he plays a lot, they won't go far.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: buwaytress on May 31, 2024, 01:43:57 PM
Did you see amazing odds on Croatia to win EURO?  :o
They are always performing at their best in final competitions, but Germany will also have big support from home crowd.

Yes, but they're not taking my money. Even I am not convinced to bet on Modric's knees any more (and yes, he's a still a match winner, but tiny giants can only do so much.

Added my second outright today, I've now got Netherlands and Portugal (praying they bench Ronaldo). Not enthused by any team with less than 10/1 at the moment.

If I had to pick a dark horse, I'd probably go with Portugal - but only if Ronaldo will be used marginally. If he plays a lot, they won't go far.

Been saying that for at least one EURO already. He may still get the goals but he's preventing Portugal from really evolving into the attacking side they should be. Feel like a lot of their talent is wasting away just to make way for the Ronaldo that we pretend is going to win them something.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Trofo on May 31, 2024, 03:25:07 PM
If I had to pick a dark horse, I'd probably go with Portugal - but only if Ronaldo will be used marginally. If he plays a lot, they won't go far.

Been saying that for at least one EURO already. He may still get the goals but he's preventing Portugal from really evolving into the attacking side they should be. Feel like a lot of their talent is wasting away just to make way for the Ronaldo that we pretend is going to win them something.
Couldn't agree more, he is not good enough for Portugal squad that is full of talent. Yeah he can score goals, maybe he can even do it better than other players in Portugal attack but they are also losing so much on the team pressing with him in the game. He should be 15-20 minutes man for them, used in special circumstances but his ego will never allow for that.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Rikafip on May 31, 2024, 03:31:56 PM
Did you see amazing odds on Croatia to win EURO?  :o
They are always performing at their best in final competitions, but Germany will also have big support from home crowd.
Our odds are high for a reason as historically we are underachieving when it comes to Euro (and overachieveing on WC :D) + our team is not getting any younger.


Guys - check the following competition and join if you like the format. It's free for you all - until you drop out at least ;D
Thanks for the reminder, I just signed up!







Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: Oluwa-btc on May 31, 2024, 06:49:45 PM
Just looked at odds. England the favourite? Followed by France?

Netherlands getting between 16 to 20/1 odds is my tasty love affair, except for some strange decisions (keeping Gini in when he's had a shit few seasons by his Liverpool standards, and hey I actually like the guy). I should probably start betting on one every few days to get good odds eh?

Also, should mention a reminder by name some of the people in BSFL who aren't here -- it's the only Sportsbet competition still ongoing now that the rest of the leagues are over (Serie A doesn't count haha).

Germany maybe. :)
The three lions has a great side with players in a good shape. They have the best player in la liga this season, highest goalscorer in bundesliga and lastly the Premier League player of the season. ( Jude Bellingham, Harry Kane and Phil Foden ) I can also boast for them midfielder's. Declan had a great debut season and he'll be solid still for England.

Asides Kyle Walker, I'm not just confident with the backline, though this is a good chance for Southgate to win something otherwise he'll be sacked. France lacking creativity in midfied, they should even be scared of England who they knocked out during the Fifa World Cup Competition.

Germans are my favorite, they have a solid defense with likes of Tah from Bayern Leverkusen and Toni Rudiger who had a great season with Real Madrid. Joshua Kimmich included, aware he had a bad season with Bayern Munich but I know how much of a mentally strong player he's been.

In midfied they have Toni Kroos, IIkay Gundogan, Andrich, Jamal Musiala, Leroy Sane, Florian Wirtz. Damnit! It's gonna be bloody hot. Not to even forget Kai Havertz and Muller and that player Fullkrug playing for Dortmund. Hopefully Julian Nagelsmann handles them well.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: un_rank on May 31, 2024, 07:04:37 PM
The Euros is sure going to be an exciting tournament, well it always really is. Italy will be one of the most least expected champions to defend their trophy. They are potentially missing out on World cup qualification and have lost lots of players since their last outing at Euros with no real quality replacement across the entire pitch.

England are popular favorites as they always are and will be looking to reach back to back finals. I am keeping tabs on some dark horses but will be decided after the first games of the tournament.

- Jay -


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: notblox1 on May 31, 2024, 09:10:46 PM
Nah I cant picture Ukraine to win EURO but if I have to pick my top 3 then I would go for France, Portugal and Croatia to win. Obviously Germany sounds like a good option but the odds are not tempting enough for me to put my money on outright bet.
I didnt say Ukraine is going to win EURO, but they are going to be a nice surprise and advance in next stage of competition.
They have nice group for doing that with Romania, Slovakia and Belgium.

Yes, but they're not taking my money. Even I am not convinced to bet on Modric's knees any more
Maybe we can get more insider information about Croatia national team from Cro2 Team Evil  ;D

Our odds are high for a reason as historically we are underachieving when it comes to Euro (and overachieveing on WC :D) + our team is not getting any younger.
If they pass the group matches with Spain and Italy they are going to the top this time.
I always like betting on underdogs.




Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: KTChampions on May 31, 2024, 09:19:00 PM
Just looked at odds. England the favourite? Followed by France?
~

Besides the fact that they are historical losers, I can't find any cons in this team, on paper they look very strong, don't they? It’s strange that Germany is in third place, in my opinion, besides the fact that they are the hosts of the tournament, it’s difficult to find arguments in favor of the fact that they should become stronger than everyone else, this really confuses me. I’m not saying that they are not stronger than half of the euro participants, but not England, France, Spain, Italy and many who are nearby for sure.


Title: Re: ⭐⚽⚽ Sportsbet's EURO 2024 Last Man Standing - 0.1 BTC minimum reward ⚽⚽⭐
Post by: slaman29 on June 01, 2024, 04:25:20 AM
Hey everyone! I finally signed up, I actually knew about it from before but forgot to sign up so thank you for the reminder.

I'm Spain all the way, they are not even top 3 favorites but I always believe in the future of youngsters and I think after decade of power, people don't see them especially after World Cup lol.

GL to everyone :)