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Since bitcoin promotes mostly anti-government, banks, etc.


I am wondering; Do you trust bitcoin holders?

I can't speak for others, but I'm a hodler and I'm not anti-government. I'm not even completely anti-bank.

However, there are so much to hate about how governments and banks work on the ground. And those are what I'm particularly against. That governments continuously devalue money to the detriment of ordinary people, for example, is something that everybody should be against. To protest against this doesn't necessarily mean to protest against the existence of a government.

That banks irresponsibly risk their clients' money in investments they alone choose and decide is something that every bank customer should be against. But to be against this doesn't necessarily mean going against the existence of banks.

Not anti-government - anti-bank because they will be difficult to fight, we still need banks for daily transaction needs this has become the majority of uses in society that are impossible to eliminate.

Obviously I believe in holding bitcoin over other assets, in essence investing in bitcoin hoping for better returns than other assets, Bitcoin has its own controls, there is freedom where people are free to transfer anywhere.

The government only makes laws, the obligations of its citizens follow and citizens also have other rights to invest in cryptocurrencies such as BTC where people will always look for other alternatives that are more comfortable in investing.

I think it is not anti-government, more precisely if I see that there are still many weaknesses in their thinking and slow to respond to technological developments and just wait and find where the weak points are, if they quickly know their potential, they will immediately join forces to immediately synergize. Whether all countries have smart leaders like Nayib Bukele certainly does not.

Pretty sure these days, nobody is anti government. Or at least the majority of Bitcoin holders aren’t. If they were they wouldn’t of KYC on exchanges to buy and sell their crypto.

Most of the holders are probably nothing but speculators. They aren’t in it for the advances bitcoin can make for society, they are in it for the monetary gains. Many earlier adopters were different. But these days, everyone is getting into crypto to get rich, not go against the government.

Bitcoin doesn't mean anti government or bank. It wasn't created to fight against the current system but as a means to give individual the right to self study.
With Bitcoin scalabilty, I don't see the need of having an extreme Anti Bank.
Bitcoin and Fiat could play 2+2=5, a synergy.
I hold Bitcoin and I trust myself
Control if wealth and some level of privacy doesn't make one a villain.
The current system is failing and we need something to help mitigate this.
I think you getting it wrong, Bitcoin doesn't really promote Anti Government but doesn't support Centralization
They different
It's not attacking the government in any way
Just granting financial freedom to the public without the need of a central Body.
Besides the government in all their flaws are needed
Without a central Body
The world will fall into chaos,  not everybody are ready to drive their lives themselves.

I am a Bitcoin holder and I believe in myself. I am also not anti-government or anti-bank because I still use banks to save money and conduct banking transactions. I use Bitcoin for investment, and it has been around for a long time.

I don't know about other Bitcoin holders, but I don't think they are anti-government and anti-bank either. Maybe they don't like the government in certain ways, which is normal. No government is perfect.

I would prefer it if Bitcoin could work with Fiat. That will give many people the opportunity to be able to use Bitcoin and Fiat simultaneously.

You should ask another question...  "Why should you rather trust Bitcoin supporters?"

The average Bitcoin supporter do not have any issues with governments, they simply buy bitcoins because it has profit potential.

There are a group of Bitcoin supporter within the larger Bitcoin supporter group that has strong views against governments, because those governments have hurt them in the past. (Example : Hyper inflation / Corruption / Bank bailouts during the previous economic crisis and the failure of the Fiat system)

Having financial private life and being your own bank is financial freedom, and not anti-bank or anti-government. It is the government that is against the privacy of their citizens and wants to have control over everything her citizens are doing.

Bitcoin hodlers are normal people with different mindset, and everyone has the reason why they adopted bitcoin, if there is no trust in bitcoin enthusiasts, it means that p2p will bring more harm to the system. We have the good, bad and ugly, it is just the government that are making it look as if bitcoin enthusiasts are criminals of which we have more criminals using fiat for their illicit activities that government is even aware of but they keep don't bring it to the public.

Nobody can do without the government or banks because that is our tradition.

I trust bitcoin and i believe bitcoin holders but i am not anti-government or anti-banks but i believe bitcoin can give much higher profit then bank bonds or FD. bitcoin is totally decentralised crypto coin. which no one controls. and long-term investment here can get huge returns. at the beginning of Bitcoin people did not trust Bitcoin but now Bitcoin has become a very popular investment asset for the young generation and everyone trusts Bitcoin and want to hold Bitcoin without hesitation.

Where did you get that idea? Not everyone, especially members here, thinks like that (based on the things I've read here). I'm speaking for myself here but I HODL BTC but I'm not anti-government and banks.

I believe the POV that you are trying to pertain to is that there are people who want the government to stop controlling everything, making it anti-government but that could be a case-to-case basis. It's something that you need to understand that it's not going to be always the case unless your government is corrupt and you want to promote transparency.

Using BTC as the mode of payment makes it so that it's publicly available and can be seen. There's a lot of discussion for this.

bitcoin does not promote anti-government or anti-banking, it only promotes a decentralized system of transaction systems globally. even if we look at it now, most of the bitcoin holders use centralized exchanges as their place to store or trade bitcoins, and banks to withdraw or deposit their money, so we cannot say that bitcoin holders are anti-government or banks.

even when a country bans bitcoin, but there are citizens who hold bitcoin, these citizens cannot be said to be anti-government just because they hold bitcoin, because someone who violates government regulations cannot be said to be anti-government, but a violator.

government, banks and bitcoin cannot be combined. they have their own interests. but keep in mind bitcoin is very different because of its decentralization. Even governments are now starting to get involved in bitcoin by regulating it so they can get taxes from bitcoin transactions carried out by people in their country. Meanwhile, conventional banks are a means for us to withdraw Bitcoin into legal money in a country.

Now I will try asking you again, do you believe in Bitcoin?
If you believe, you will definitely become a Bitcoin holder yourself, even if only in the medium term.

It's like asking "Do you trust gun owners?" or "Do you trust Biden/Trump supporters?"

The demographic is just so huge and widespread that you can't really trust/untrust the entire demographic just because of that one similar interest of theirs. Each person is different.

Point of correction, you can't be a Bitcoin holder and also an anti-bank person.

You need money to survive, so your salary will still go into your bank account, you also can't spend your Bitcoin in the real world without changing it into Fiat and that Fiat will head into your bank account.

Look around you and tell me how many stores are accepting crypto payment? It would have been a different case if Bitcoin is widely accepted this days, I as a person would totally stop using the bank for good but it is not going to happen.

Stooping the bank is like stopping the government, the only solution is co-existing, and let's not forget that the government will forever keep hating on any invisible ways of spending money, because of criminals and illegal activities, they won't want such, so Bitcoin money to bank account is inescapable.

No.

I only trust open source code which I can verify myself. Everything and everyone else is suspicious to me. What’s the point of that question anyway? Does it change a thing whether I trust or dont trust bitcoin holders? It changes nothing. Bitcoin protocol don’t need holders to function. Holders can only affect the market prices and nothing else.

When the news comes onto the screen of some people, they don't just take it at face value. Sometimes it digs deeper when they hear Bitcoin was used to fund the terrorists and some may think that being a Bitcoin holder means you could be a terrorist.  ;D

I'm not sure if this is what OP means but if he questions whether BTC holders can be trusted then its something related to what Bitcoin can do and can be used for.

I can't see how Bitcoin promotes anti-government and banks, I mean Bitcoin is just how it is, we can't change that for sure but It wasn't at all anti-government or anti-banks, probably it is just somehow opposite of it but I wasn't anti or something. We Bitcoin holders as well are not anti-government or anti banks but probably we just hate it since there were just too many things that weren't right at all, but still, we all have governments in different countries and we are a part of it, we use fiat system that's government and banks right. So we are supporting banks and government for sure, but there were just people on position on the government that is just wasnt doesnt the right thing that is why we hate it much, not to mention that the fiat system is just a huge scheme, but still it is what it is we just cant do anything about it the only thing we could do about it is to adjust on it.

Yes, I trust mostly a lot of Bitcoin holders that I know, but for sure there were some limitations on that, if you doesnt know someone then they not instantly going to earn your trust not just they are a Bitcoin holders, remember that there are a lot of scammers and hackers out there, if your install going to trust Bitcoin holders they will take advantage of you and scam you, so we always need to be careful on trusting anyone since hackers and scammers are probably investors as well.

Why ask about trusting others when you can directly ask us if we trust bitcoin as we are holder ? dunno about others because when i invest and keep holding my bitcoin and about trusting other Holders? its their decision because we all have our own faith when talking about the future of our money.

Bitcoin was not created to encourage anti-government, anti-banking, you should not spread such false ideas and cause greater misunderstanding between the government and the bitcoin community. Satoshi never intended to create bitcoin to counter or replace anything controlled by the government.

Also, don't imitate some people who talk bad about banks or fiat money while you are still using it every day. It is true that they have disadvantages but we still depend on and use them, and they also have useful use cases, not completely useless.

There is this misconception that if you are holding bitcoin or is participating in any cryptocurrency then you must be anti-bank or anti-government which probably where the idea that those who use bitcoin or privacy coins are enemies of the state and are criminals.

But I don’t think that’s true at all. Yes banks do have their own disadvantages and bitcoin will be much preferred however liking btc does not necessarily equate with haters of the central banks.

No, don't forget with this phrase "don't trust, verify".

Bitcoin didn't promote anti-government and anti-banks, Bitcoin actually give you a freedom to choose, it's the other way around. Frankly, both government and banks are anti-Bitcoin because some country completely ban Bitcoin and some banks didn't accept funds related to Bitcoin.

First of all, what do you understand by anti government and anti bank? From my understanding, anti means to oppose but is bitcoin opposing government and banks? Obviously No. Bitcoin is nothing but a form of digital currency that is decentralized without being control by the government or bank institutions. Government is the one seeing bitcoin as an opposition simply because its way of operation doesn't align with theirs. On the banking aspect, they are business institutions for savings and payments facilitators that exploit their customers with heavy charges while Bitcoin offers the same services for a lesser fee with faster speed. In reality, these two institutions are the one fighting bitcoin in order to continue their exploitation.

Trusting holders depends on the individual holder. There are bitcoin holders that use it responsibly based on its ethics just like our normal traditional fiats. On the contrary, people use bitcoin for illegal activities as it also exist in our local currency in the form laundering and other illegal activities. It's about the individual not the entire holders.

Bitcoin doesn't promote anything, because it inanimate object is digital electronic money / an investment asset (depending on who likes what). In the text of bitcoin's whitepaper you will not find a single word about "promotes mostly anti-government", so there is no need to project your personal vision onto bitcoin.

What do you understand by "trust bitcoin holders"? What is the meaning of this phrase? If you are talking about their promotion "invest in bitcoin", then certainly bitcoin holders has a vested interest, because they are the holders of bitcoin, which they plan to sell someday. It should be taken into account that bitcoin holders has a reason to voice positive points about bitcoin and keep silent about negative ones in order to attract new investors, thanks to which the rate of BTC will increase. The point is that you should not blindly believe all their words and take into account such moments when there is an intention to promote because of your own interests (owning a bitcoin).

You do not have to trust Bitcoin holders if your factors like anti-government and banks are to be put into consideration but only trust in the Bitcoin itself. If you buy Bitcoin today and plan to hold it for the time being, then you are already a holder. Now, do you trust yourself? Can people trust you on this holding? That's the situation. Do not totally trust anyone but your Bitcoin and your plans about it. Nevertheless, the holders have been so important in the sustainability of Bitcoin over the years, this is not the time they will suddenly abandon the coin, they will continue to add their quota even as they hold it more.

However, there are categories of holders, some are for the short term, many are for the medium term, and others are for the long term. In between, there are permanent holders as well, so naturally if some holders liquidated their asset due to one reason or the other especially when the time planned for the liquidation has lapsed regardless of the date such a plan has been set as no one is holding you from selling your coin at the time you want to sell it. For these, I believe that the holders should be trusted to a high degree as many had witnessed the thick and thin with Bitcoin and have not panickly liquidated their assets.

But I do not know if this will continue to be true if the government starts clamping down on Bitcoin, only fearless holders may stay in this situation.

There is no justification for not trusting a bitcoin holder because a bitcoin holder can hold on to the bitcoins within his freedom which can be said to be his right. However, if a Bitcoin holder participates in anti-social and anti-financial activities of the country, then there may be reason not to trust the holder. A gold miner like gold for his profitInvestment and Holding Just as a Bitcoin investor can invest and hold Bitcoin for better future profits. A holder can deposit and sell the digital currency from his/her economic rights if Bitcoin is officially recognized in that country.

Bitcoin is not anti government and anti banks directly. Bitcoin is pro-freedom. Governments are anti-freedom because their purpose is to kyc anything that moves or breathes. So when bitcoin offers freedom, it automatically becomes anti-government. That’s the choice people have to make. Freedom and governance cannot coexist. You either have one, or the other.

Bitcoin offers freedom and in the free world, there are many criminal people because they can abuse that freedom to accomplish their own goals. Hackers, thieves, terrorists, drug sellers… These people do exist and they make big money everyday because there is huge demand for the services and products they offer.

In this context, do I trust Bitcoin holders? It depends on the holder we are talking about. We can’t say every btc holder is good or bad.

I don't really seem to understand your point of view when you make mention of been anti government because I doubt if you can successfully be an anti government even as a bitcoin holder, as bitcoin does not give you the power to fight the government so it cant seem to be a reason you become an anti government and moreover bitcoin itself isn't anti government or bank rather it goes beyond the barriers banks may suffer with universality and that has been the advantage of the decentralization of bitcoin all along even if some persons ha sin a way try using it against the banks and in other was for which it was intended, it still doesn't make bitcoin anti government or bank.

Trusting bitcoin holders is actually relative because you are definitely goin to do that at your own risk because everyone actually gets to hold bitcoin for reasons best known to them and so this variations can bring about the relativity in the purpose for holding of bitcoin but if its about them using it against the government or banks I cant say for sur but personally I don't hold bitcoin for any of such purposes and I can be trusted but I cant say for others.

 Indirectly you assume bitcoin is an anti-government against the CEX but I'd say the foundation of bitcoin is on the perspective to provide a hedge to intercept global financial frustration such as the government regulations and economy conditions.
However, I'm a bitcoin holder and I don't hold it to stand opposite with the fiats such as some others could wrongly be insighted that bitcoin may take over the fiats in the future. That's not true.
The justification of bitcoin is literally on individuals perspectives to how they're being influenced with the technology potentials so, I believe I'm utilizing my bitcoin holding unexemptionally from what it's created for and not about the misusage of those associated with it on criminal intensions.

Of all the banks, the one that I hate the most are the central banks. They're the most useless of banks. If money will one day be separated from the state, the first institution that will be dissolved is the central bank. If money becomes decentralized, the rest of the banks may remain useful but central banks will perish.

Solid Bitcoin supporters may not necessarily be bank haters, but I guess most, if not all, of them are central bank haters. Compared to money, central banks are a young invention. I believe we can do away with central banks. They're most probably net negative to society.

Thanks for this clarification, I believe that most investors that are holding Bitcoin, are just for business purposes, a store of value where they can put their money and believe that on the long run, it'll acrue many times over in ROI. Bitcoin holders can not be anti banks, because they use them to make fiat transactions everyday, most people that hodl Bitcoin will not even like to use it to make payments for purchases, they'll rather use fiat and hodl their Bitcoin. Also Bitcoin, holders in countries where it's not banned can't be anti government, why should they? The only thing that the governments can do is collect tax when they want to convert to fiat through CEX, but then they collect tax on almost every money related transactions.

Bitcoin can never be anti government. The government has the power to regulate only its own institutions. Don't compare bitcoin with government banks. Because bitcoin is decentralized, there is no government control and no obligation to do so. Every citizen will invest in Bitcoin as they are free and find their way to security. I trust bitcoin holders and every holder likes to hold bitcoins.

Sure, I will trust a holder; what is the reason not to trust a Bitcoin holder? Everything has a system by which it operates. Starting from the government, arms of government, and every other system under the government, including banks, have their own individual ways of operation. That is how Bitcoin was designed for the specific system it should operate on. It is never a crime to have Bitcoin; as a matter of fact, Bitcoin was designed not to be controlled or handled by the government or banks, and therefore there is no need to trust a Bitcoin holder unless you are aware that the person is using it for illegal clearing. 

If we really want to be anti-government and banks then we will experience difficulties, because we also have families who are not Bitcoin holders. Therefore instead of being anti-government, it is better if we just need to be wise in playing our role, especially in investing in Bitcoin. This means that even though we don't like the fiat financial system, that doesn't mean we are totally declaring war on the government. There is a way of mediation by spreading education about Bitcoin, because I believe the government is much more aware of the presence of Bitcoin, access to financial information is their activity so anything that has a big influence on finances will have been aware of it for quite some time.

Well, it happens that my country is friendly with Bitcoin, not only informally friendly but many of the governments also take part in investing and trading Bitcoin. Create good regulations to bridge the community to be able to buy and sell Bitcoin legally. Of course there are taxes, of course, but as long as it doesn't cause problems then I quite support government programs that welcome Bitcoin.

Bitcoin promotes, above all, freedom of choice. Show us in which part of the white paper, Bitcoin is against the government. You, OP, have a rather erroneous opinion, which leads to the idea that the information you have is incorrect. If we talk about the fact that many people associate the use of Bitcoin with scammers and criminals, then the statistics fail here too. If we talk about trust in Bitcoin holders, then some are truly trustworthy, and you can and should listen to their opinions. What can you say about Andreas Antonopoulos? Is there any danger in him as a person promoting Bitcoin?

The use of Bitcoin does not remain the same. In the early days of Bitcoin, people used Bitcoin as private money. But the use case of Bitcoin has changed a lot. Centralization is everywhere, and people use CEX to do KYC. As long as you are compromising your privacy by sharing your personal information with Centralized exchanges, you cannot be anti-government. Even if you are anti-government, it's up to you.

I do not judge people based on their race or religion. I also do not judge people based on what they do. If someone is a Bitcoin user, that does not mean he is anti-government. Even if someone is anti-government, that does not mean I do not trust them just because they are anti-government. I judge people based on how they are with me and how they are with others.

Bitcoin is simply an alternative and perfects everything that fiat, banks, and weaknesses in government regulation do not have with its currency. And Bitcoin is not against or anti banks or governments, because they also can't stop it unless they stop the internet. But they can make the rules if they want.
Bitcoin holders only treat Bitcoin as a store of value or investment and they have freedom because the holder has full control without any third party, and besides that because Bitcoin is very profitable for those who hold it.

Bitcoin is not anti government, who thought you such mindset against bitcoin, because as far as we know bitcoin is best served as an alternative to banks, that is bitcoin provide linkage between Bank and the unbaked in some cases.


Some of the false theories are so misleading and this is one of such false theory that bitcoin is Anti government.

Both of the main ideas behind your post are wrong, bitcoin is not against governments and banks, it is just that if they both did their job as they should when it comes to fiat currencies, the need for bitcoin will not exist, however through history they both have systematically failed on this task given by their citizens and clients, so bitcoin is a natural reaction to this, and about trusting bitcoin holders, I do not see the relationship with the previous question or why it even matters at all.

Bitcoin is neither pro nor anti government. It’s not anything to fuel any kind of political agenda. It is simply a financial tool that gives us the option to choose where we want to store our money in aside from banks.

Do not promote that bitcoin is anti-government as it tarnishes bitcoin’s reputation and makes it seem as if bitcoin might be used to support any kind of terrorism.

I don't know why you're trying to mix politics and Bitcoin?

So, a Bitcoin holder shouldn't trust a boomer who invest in gold?
So, a Bitcoin holder shouldn't trust a content creator who show his face to anyone in the world?
So, a Bitcoin holder shouldn't trust a trader who use centralized exchange?

I doubt if people can completely avoid banks, even you trade via P2P, you still need to use bank accounts to receive your money. You might can completely avoid banks if you can spend Bitcoin directly to purchase or pay something, but it's only possible in El Salvador.

No thats just what the common people think because bitcoin was built to be different from the centralized systems.

I dont take it to be anti-bank, in fact blockchain technology is being used by many banks for providing different services.

So as far as trusting someone goes, that depends on the context of what trust you are talking about. If you think the holders have their own agenda, then yes they are in it for profit just like everyone of us. Are they try to embezzle someone? I dont think so.

Fact that the people who are very public about bitcoin as anarchists, does not make it anti-government. The proper terms are "decentralized" and "censorship resistant".

Trust about what? I'm not doing what others tell me anyway, I have my head on my shoulders. I can listen to people's opinions, but I have the ability to agree or disagree with it.

No, it doesn't promote hate against those subjects. But because of its features promoting anonymity and decentralization, that seems to be it but that's not a direct hit to them.

I am a Bitcoin holder and I trust myself. Why there's a need to question someone who's holding it as a store of value if you're going to trust him or not?

Trust is subjective and the subject about bitcoin holding is lack to say on what aspect do you trust them.

How can I not believe it, I have owned bitcoin almost 9 years. Maybe there are many more than me and maybe they are also trying to improve like me. If you look at hisori, then I think it's not just a matter of decentralization. Many of them are attracted because of their value. Many new people are coming in trying to improve economic conditions.

I hold Bitcoin and I currently believe it can achieve better value. The crypto industry has changed as more than just a means of transfer but as a moneymaker.

I didn't see that. We talk about them based on the point of view that we feel fits their system.
Bitcoin is not anti-government and anti-banking. They have their own system and Bitcoin is not here to oppose it.
As a Bitcoin holder, I am also a person who uses the banking system in my daily affairs.

Obviously I believe in Bitcoin holders as people who know what is important for them to do for the long term.

While there are certain ideologies that make more sense with Bitcoin than others, Bitcoin unites people from all sides of the political spectrum, actually, and I think that even on this forum we can see how diverse opinions can be. Even if someone adheres to libertarianism, for instance, which may go naturally well with Bitcoin, it doesn't mean being anti-government because you might actually be a part of government and support the minimal state conception of it (like Argentina's President). Also, being against the Central bank is different from being against banks in general.
I think a matter of trust depends more on one's usual approach than on ideology. I'm a pretty trusting person, so I sort of have a default trust for other people until they prove me wrong. But that doesn't mean I'd share access to my accounts or disclose certain private information to those people. It's just basic background trust as a lack of distrust, and I have it both for Bitcoin holders and non-holders.

At some point, I always get to believe that no matter how much decentralized bitcoin and other digital cryptocurrencies want to present themselves, there will always be a need for the local bank and I’m sure it might not be directly but it will still take a lot of hard work to totally ignore our local fiats

I understand how much we are getting fed up with the consistent extortion from bitcoin holders and traders and even the common man and that’s why we all want cryptocurrency to thrive but the truth is that, bitcoin and its likes will still need to push more harder to prove it’s trustworthiness and reliability before such trust will be bestowed 😂
Let’s take things with crypto and stop making it seem we can just cancel our local fiat overnight

Who says bitcoin is anti-government? It's just our freedom to hold assets without a third party, which means it's not anti-government even though on the contrary there are governments that are anti-bitcoin but I don't care about that so far the government still supports bitcoin even though it is a commodity asset.

At least in my country bitcoin is not banned, it is even taxed in every transaction on the CEX.

Of course trusting Holder bitcoin, this is already some know I hold and has produced a high ROI meaning that there are still many people gaining confidence in bitcoin can change their lives.
So I will stay in the bitcoin circle to keep holding.

I am not anti government or anti-bank, for me it is more of a freedom.
I do trust Bitcoin holders since I am also one of them, and I like to put my money into it rather than letting it sit on my bank.
I consider it as currency and investment at the same time.

I would trust him if I knew the Bitcoin holders around me. If not, I wouldn't believe it, especially if I had never met him. Bitcoin is not anti-government and neither is it anti-bank. But even though the government cannot control Bitcoin, Bitcoin can go hand in hand with Fiat. We use Bitcoin and Fiat at the same time as Bitcoin to complement the shortcomings of Fiat. I am not anti-government or anti-bank and know that people who use Bitcoin are also not anti-government and anti-bank, especially those around me who still use banks.

What, kind of words and narratives these are bro, when Bitcoin promoted anti-government policy haha seems like you are naming the decentralization as the anti-government policy, I want to remind you that Bitcoin is just a payment system, these days now you can say a digital asset (Digital Gold), Bitcoin promotes the decentralization and self-custody of the funds with ensured privacy, security, and transparency of the transaction haha these are not Ai generated words, these are my emotions haha this the first time I've made a perfect chin of these words.

In the second half, I want to let you know why I should trust Bitcoin holders rather than trusting them I trust the Bitcoin community if the old holders are willing to sell then new buyers are in the queue, So I trust the Bitcoin community and reliability.

Can you explain to us how bitcoin is "anti-government"? Because I can't seem to understand what you mean. In no part of bitcoin does it go against government. It doesn't break any government laws, it's just a coins and an asset. It's actually government that's against Bitcoin.
I hold bitcoin and I don't see how I'm against the government. I'm not breaking any laws by holding bitcoin. I would only be breaking any law when the government put a law against holding bitcoin.
Even the decentralised nature of bitcoin isn't against the government because there's no law against it.

You seem to be confused. A bitcoin holder doesn't buy and sell crypto. That's what traders do. Holders own bitcoin and they hold it.
There are many other ways of exchanging bitcoin to goods and services than trading it on a centralized exchange. That's how you get fiat money and selling for fiat isn't the goal of many holders ;)


Speak for yourself.


That's why I'm not getting into "crypto" but hold bitcoin instead.

I really hope you know what you are saying, when you say anti banks, I will agree with you fully but when you said Anti government, I will agree with you partially because there are some fiscal policies the government make that the banks are using to control the people and that's privacy concern, other than that Bitcoin is anti Bank and complete does the opposite of what Banks are doing and doesn't really have anything to with how governments does their things.


Wait a minute, do you think that if the government own more 70% of the circulating supply, you think they will sell? Hell no, that's exactly what they want and they don't have it. If they have the opportunity to hold that amount, regulation of Bitcoin becomes simple to implement and miners wouldn't have choice than to agree with every of their decisions. Some of the seek road Bitcoin that were seize by US government aren't sold till today, don't you think they have plan for holding those Bitcoins.

Simple and ordinary people that are trying to make lives convenient and safe for thier livelihood.Our governments are trying so hard to create a clash in between.Its definitely up to every person to reciprocate the same efforts,support,indulgence and keep trying to improve the economic conditions.

Bitcoin is more like a support system to us financially,and its not like how the government constantly regards it as a tool that promotes financial crimes.Bitcoin is freedom for all and it suits whatever situation you'll consider it;based on your knowledge,trust and awareness.

I am a BTC holder and I trust myself because I don't trust banks and some governments. Situation is not the same everywhere, like in my place the main state bank of our country made the statement that they are not responsible for the money people store in their banks. I was like then who is responsible. And how you (banks) can say such things. Till then I never stored my funds in banks. Most of them are in BTC or other alts. I know it can be problematic if I won't save my funds in fiat like in time of high fluctuations.

But I hope I will be saved as fluctuations are not permanent. They will end at last. My point here is, even if it promotes anti-government, or banks, it also made them realize that they can't loot or play with people's money anymore. BTC has reminded them there reputations and place. Now they will be playing within there boundaries. Many are even adopting it (governments and banks both). So its a two way road, one way is adopting while other is opposing. I think we should look at the bright side.

Bitcoin isn't a threat to the government directly; it's a threat to the bank, which is totally centralized. So ultimately, when the banking system is affected, it will affect the government's economic policy. As we know, holding Bitcoin in a non-custodial wallet means we are our own bank. So banks always seem to stand against Bitcoin. Some banks are supporting but not adapting at all. If your government considers using Bitcoin legal, then holding Bitcoin is fine and isn't anti-government action. For me, it's totally anti-government and anti-bank as well. But due to decentralised behaviour, I am still holding. 

It's a rhetorical question, it's that simple, right?  they are a part not the whole, and that hodl percentage, although it is quite high/important in bitcoin, and consequently the trend, is only determined in volume, that is, we trust the community. Therefore, some holders are there for years, others for an indefinite period of time, it is a cycle/users-holders.

I'm on bitcoin but I'm not saying that I'm anti-bank or anti-government because after all we must be subject to the government and we also can't rule out banks in the life we do now because fiat is in control for all the needs we have so even though I'm on bitcoin I wouldn't say that I'm anti-bank and anti-government it's just that for now my choice is different.

But it doesn't matter because when my choice is different it doesn't mean I don't like the opposite because everything will be chaotic if I think bitcoin is right and the others are wrong and vice versa.
We don't need to be anti anything to be in bitcoin because as long as we still need other than bitcoin then why not use it as an advantage in surviving a currently difficult life where fiat is a support for daily needs and bitcoin is a future investment that until now we still have hope that bitcoin will be very profitable for the future.

Bitcoin isn't successful without Fiat currencies.. I don't understand what you mean by "anti-government"... I'm guessing that I'd mean a user being autonomous and against the govern's decision on censorships. In an actual sense, an individual can't counterbalance the effect of the government's decision so that doesn't count!
I wouldn't necessarily decide to trust anyone for the fact that they're HODLers like myself... Like I said earlier, it's NOT ENOUGH!
Would you believe that most bank directors and managers are HODLing Bitcoin like no man's business?

Well if having to hide my privacy is somehow anti-government then yea, I guess you can say Bitcoin promotes anti-government. But afaik it's not? Pretty sure that's part of the basic freedom that we're supposed to have.

As for trusting bitcoin holders, with what specifically? Kind of broad really. I mean would I trust a random bitcoin holder on the internet? Probably not. Do I trust myself, who is a bitcoin holder? Well who the hell will I trust if not myself lol.

I think the word "anti-government" is not an appropriate to use here, I mean I dont think that bitcoin is build in order to oppose government banks or what itd just that we could clearly see that crypto currency or bitcoin rather is a strong currency and a good innovation that could "possibly" replaced traditional banks, yes there's a lot of bitcoin holders or bitcoin enthusiast want traditional banks to be replaced right away but in reality it is a big changes, it is big that if not planned carefully the banking system or financial system of the world could be in chaos, for me I dont want banks to be abolished I just want that bitcoin can be recognized world wide and be used world wide like how can we used traditional currencies, so yeah I do trust bitcoin holders because why not? I'm one of them, but of course not all of them, as I don't know them personally.

We can't be anti banks and not be anti-government in the way they handle our finances because the governments controls the banks and we're fighting to let go of centralization while embracing decentralization with the help of Bitcoin Blockchain. We don't need banks if we're our own banks with Bitcoin non custodial wallets. We can use our wallets to send and receive Bitcoin which is more efficient than the banks so we don't need the banks and if the government don't want to accept that then we don't need them as well, we can elect in new government that'll be pro decentralization.


I trust Bitcoin hodlers more than the government, Bitcoin hodlers or believers are those fighting for our freedom to have privacy to our finances. The banks don't provide privacy and they don't have enough reserved money tben the only security that they promise can't be guaranteed since if they go bankrupted there isn't much they can do to return the funds of everyone that had money with them. What's there not to trust a Bitcoin hodlers when he isn't doing anything to make him untruthful.

What do you mean by anti-government OP? Investing in Bitcoin is not against the government and it never harms anyone in the community instead, it gives freedom and a chance to improve their living. Maybe if you think it is against the bank, that is likely true. I think it is not the issue, in fact, some countries are legalizing Bitcoin which means that it is not against the government, it was you who misinterpreted the purpose of this creation.
These people are not just Bitcoin holders, they are also investing in other forms of investment.

And what made you think that bitcoin promotes anti-government and bank and any other 3rd payment processors?  Let me guess, is it because bitcoin cannot be controlled by government and it can totally disregard the use of banks and 3rd party payment processors when 2 or more people are transacting using bitcoin? If that so, then you just have misunderstood the word "anti" which basically means going against (the government, banks, and others). Now, if bitcoin is against the government and the banks, why would they gradually adopting and regulating the crypto exchanges? They even imposed tax on it and banks are accepting crypto.

Bitcoin always works against the central bank that is why a country's government and central bank never want Bitcoin to be developed and approved.  In this case, the government can impose strict restrictions on investors and holders.  But if a holder can hold according to the country's rules and regulations then I think investors and holders will never be a threat to a country.

Although Bitcoin was not created against the government or the banks, the banks may think it is their competitor. But I think that as technology improves, people's financial system will also change. People will use whatever is most convenient for them. Bitcoin has given financial freedom to people due to which it is at the peak of popularity worldwide. Governments are not able to impose any tax on the use of Bitcoin for the sole reason that they oppose Bitcoin. Bitcoin is ahead in popularity even without government support which will force governments to use and approve Bitcoin.

I am a HODLer. No, I am not antigovernment. I see inherent value in Bitcoin and do believe it can transform finance for us. I have been investing in other coins as well and while crypto is definitely a volatile market, there is so much to learn and so many opportunities for significant gains. You just need to have the right tools and resources at your disposal.

Is there a reason why I should ?... Definitely, we all know, that anything that has an advantage also has its disadvantages. Bitcoin is used for a lot of good and great things and is also used to sponsor illegal and bad things. So, that's that about what Bitcoin promotes, but how exactly does it relate to or concern me and the Bitcoin holders?

A lot of people are holding as future investments, so they can fall back on something real good in the future, and others such as the anyi- government and banks, like you've mentioned are also bent on holding it for whatever reason. But honestly, I still don't see my business with them. Is there a particular reason why I should, or shouldn't?

If we do tend to read up Bitcoin WP then the main thing that you would be coming up into your mind that it do really goes that opposite on what Bank is offering or to those other 3rd parties when it comes to money transfers on which this really that disrupt the line on which it would really be that a common impression that it will really be that something that could be able to intervene specially on what government do really likes.
As for the question about trust about Bitcoin holders then there's nothing we can do on what are the things that they do have in mind. For sure we arent that going against government but rather we are really that giving out that kind of importance when it comes to freedom on which this is something that we should really be having in our minds considering that privacy and anonymity is something that taken from us
yet they do really know everything in regarding on what are the things that you've been dealing or doing on.

Exactly. Even if bitcoin was designed to build freedom from banks and government, but that does not mean that those who trust and invest in bitcoin are anti-government or anti-banks. Its just that they don’t see fiat as highly valuable in the future, but it’s bitcoin that seems to always appreciate its value in the long run. Therefore, we invest in bitcoin for our own satisfying means, that is to build our wealth in the future with the help of bitcoin, and maybe investing in fiat could still be somehow a secondary goal next to bitcoin.

Yes that speaks volumes in me , no body that's a holdler that is against bank or government there is difference between calling a Spade shovel instead of spade. No holdler that don't make use of bank or convert to fiat currency or resist to obey the laws or government policy.

As today in my Nation you hardly get your fiat deposited in bank as a result of bank saying there is no money the question is where is the deposited one, which you have made,it has be loan to big investors they use your money to trade keeping you hungry and restrict for using your money when needed most with some strick policy's such as withdrawal limit etc this are what many holder kick against not government and bank.

I wouldn't say most of them are anti-government, banks and stuff. They are rational people, wise and rational, Bitcoin holders, I mean. And someone who is rational will not be against all governments and their institutions.

I think op fails to understand that Bitcoin works with fiat, Bitcoin was created as a means to  facilitate fast transactions between different individuals in different places also as a store of value and choice was open for everyone that's interested.
There is misconception in the op side, Bitcoin is not fighting with anybody, the fiat regime will continue and Bitcoin will too because both currency has their functions and they must come along with each other, some people don't even understand that Bitcoin has not been adopted by everyone and in many countries there are restriction to Bitcoin that's why you can hold it in your wallet and covert to fiat if you want to purchase anything.

In what way OP that Bitcoin is anti-government as I never see it?
I believe that if a person doesn't have enough knowledge about Bitcoin will end up spreading wrong information and this possibly happened to OP who thought that Bitcoin couldn't be trusted, and the same to the holders.

Whatever your stance OP, I remain trusting Bitcoin and I will accumulate more because I know that it is not illegal and there are no government rules it breaks. And you don't need to wonder but instead, make your time to learn more about Bitcoin because if this is wrong, then there is no reason that Bitcoin will continue to exist.

I am not anti-government though I am not a fan of banks but yeah I don't have a problem with them I am a Bitcoin hodler as well however it was just a few portions but yeah better than nothing. Given that we are in a risky crypto industry everything in here cannot be trusted due to the fact that we do have different purposes why we are hodling Bitcoins even ourselves sometimes we hesitate to make decisions because of trust issues. 😅
 

What does that question even mean? What you mean by trust? Trust in what issues? I don't think i need to trust anyone, about anything just because what ever they hold in their bags. That feels like insanity to me. Also Bitcoin isn't anti anything. It's a piece of code, that can be changed during the time if community accepts the changes. It's an alternative way to transfer finances. A tech that needed to be explored and i don't think the exploration of this is in any way finished.

But your question is biased and vague. You might as well ask if you trust linux users because they promote anti-capitalism.

I do not see the logic on how BTC promotes anti-government and banks. Remember, cryptocurrencies as a whole can co-exist even with the support of the government and the execution of banks. It does not have to be black and white to the point that one should exist and the other should not. The beauty behind cryptocurrencies is that it gives financial freedom in our transactions since no person can ever change what is written on the blockchain, which makes it foolproof to say the least.

Now when it comes to BTC HODLers, the reason behind their decision mostly stems from experience and price history. Ever since I joined last 2017, I have personally witnessed the skyrocket of its price multiple times and I have failed to take advantage of such opportunity. Since I somehow have experience on HODLing BTCs, I mostly hold them now both for short and long-term advantage depending on its price on the market.

So to answer your question- YES, I TRUST BITCOIN HODLERS.

Must people are using bitcoin for illegal transactions and it not to trace so you can’t trust them all, bitcoin is the almighty currency and a super currency that makes people happy and happy for their increases

Bitcoin holders are some of the most patient, trustworthy people on the planet. Anybody who can hold their money in an asset that drops 70% & not flinch deserves the upmost respect. We are a rare breed of strong handed investors, nerves of steel. Bitcoin holders can be trusted more than most people.

We don't hesitate to grab opportunities when we sight one and the market only favors those categories of trades that have calmly drawn their maps in the market. The crypto industry is risky and we should always place our minds on developing our initial investment and explore to magnificent phase. Holding bitcoin is prioritize by investors that have patience and will do anything to settled for outstanding results. We make decisions on the market and we look out for the possible best of our actions.

But not all bitcoin investors have diamond hands, there are also many weak hands and have dumped their bitcoins. Additionally, I don't believe anyone can stay calm and not flinch when bitcoin drops more than 70% in value. I believe that even veteran investors who have experienced this many times cannot avoid being worried. But they know how to handle that situation better than newbies, so they can avoid panic selling.

That's why I said holding bitcoin is not easy and not too many people can do it. Many people often urge others to hold and buy the dip, but at that time how many people can keep calm and do that? It's always easier said than done.

So you are saying that anyone who doesn't trust the government shouldn't be trusted when the government has done so many awful things that aren't in the interest of their people?? Look at the US today, Biden does not serve one interest of the American people. The whole purpose for Bitcoin is to not have to rely on trusting a middle man aka the corruptible politician in this case. Bitcoin is the bipartisan solution here in our currency democracy. I trust that bitcoin holders have a good reason to see the value that bitcoin provides here.

Just because BTC is anti to those organizations you have listed there, does it mean it's also bad? Or those people who deal with it are bad? No that's not how it goes but actually those organizations are the ones who are bad and this is why BTC is created, for the people to not rely on them anymore.

There are still Bitcoin hodlers who can't be trusted because they are criminals and they only use Bitcoin because we know that the coin is anonymous but there are still cryptos that can do this better and maybe they also use it. They are among the reason on why BTC and other cryptos got a bad name for some strict people but fortunately it is slowly dissolving.

How does bitcoin promotes anti-government?
All I know is that governments are against Bitcoin and citizens are supporting Bitcoin because of its decentralized nature and the financial freedom it gives its investors.

The question of weather you trust holders to me is something that is not relevant because Bitcoin holders are not criminals, they are only avoiding banks for privacy sake. Although some people use them for criminal activities and money laundering is also done through banking systems, therefore, I completely trust Bitcoin holders.

I agree with that. These people deserve respect for their unwavering trust in Bitcoin. How many times wicked tongues were predicting the end of Bitcoin! And it were during hard times when the price of BTC was plummeting compared to USD. It was so hard to stick with your beliefs during those times. But they were doing just that. They deserve the upmost respect indeed.

A huge respect for people do that since that means they have strong belief on bitcoin that there will be great future will come on it and there's only few people can do that since not all investors really trust bitcoins dominance as they always afraid for its volatility that's why some people think that this is big issue of bitcoin which they are avoiding.

Its really hard to stick with believes especially with there's a down time happening that's why I really have a huge respect to holders since they are showing some intense strength that nobody can destroy their belief and continue to do their plan for betterment which bitcoin always shows then all of this people are always satisfied with those decisions they do since they are always the winners.

The very essence of Bitcoin is that it allows you to work in an environment where you do not have people you can trust.  
This is exactly why Satoshi Nakamoto created it.  That's why you don't need to trust Bitcoin holders....  
Bitcoin owners are not doctors or notaries, they are ordinary people.
Bitcoin is not a sect, it is a financial instrument that allows you to invest, make payments (including cross-border payments), save capital and pass it on to inheritance.  If you purchase Bitcoin, you do not simultaneously sign an agreement prohibiting interaction with commercial banks and the government.  You can continue to interact with your government and use all the services of commercial banks.  
There are no restrictions here!  You simply have another wonderful financial instrument/financial asset in your arsenal.

In short, we must be law-abiding citizens in the country where we live. Now, regarding the question you made here in this section, if I believe the bitcoin holders,
maybe it depends on what they say. If I know and I think it's right and there's nothing wrong with what they say, why not?

Although I have no obligation to trust them, and there is nothing wrong with believing them because it is a matter of choice for each individual, that's all.

I am one of the people who believes bitcoin holders everywhere and whoever it is who survives every cycle, who survives every moment of the bitcoin rush until bitcoin returns to all of us bringing a real lantern of life in this world.

I personally also respect those bitcoin holders very nobly, because maybe I personally am not as strong and as long as they are in saving their bitcoins to this day or it could be much longer until they feel that they will conquer this world by bringing changes in the world financial system, their beliefs cannot be underestimated and deserve respect.

Well, OP, it is very clear to us that Bitcoin is not anti-government. That is why we don't have any reason why we should distrust holders.
I'd rather trust Bitcoin holders the government for real. If we would really think deeply, if this is against the government then all holders are already arrested and in jail but it never happens because it wasn't.

Worries can be somewhat normal and very common to doubtful individuals but for those who are old-timers, it simply disregraded.
Although we don't have data available that points out the number of holders but I believe that the majority are weak hands compared to real holders.

You're getting it wrong OP I don't think any one is against the government not even the bitcoin holders except their are people out there who are anti-government/bankers but afaik there are none because everyone life is revolved around government. Infact live would have been brutal and unfair without government.

Bitcoin itself isn't against government nor it's holders but there aren't comfortable with the central control system or should I say there are privacy interested people. Perhaps anyone who is capable of handling his or her bitcoin or assets in bitcoin even with the level of volatility then I believe that person should be trusted to a great extent.

Bitcoin is freedom hence a group of persons are not supposed to have your whole life in their hands manipulating it as it suits them hence bitcoin has reversed such manipulation or take the control out of this group of persons hands in to every individual who believes and trust it.

     

Agree with this mate as we all know that those bitcoin holders are good enough to be an example for everyone of us here in our community as they have a discipline  that holds their bitcoin even though the price is volatile, sometimes it will goes down and in the long run the price will have a chance that the current price will got doubled or even tripled.
bitcoins is not against the government but some government didn't allow their fellow countrymen engage with bitcoins in some reason

That stupid question though.

Bitcoin users may be against the idea of how government kept their people as poor with the centralized money that just keep losing its value all the time but they aren't against the government just the idea.

Banks is part of the central banks which is monitored by government so this again points out against the system and idea.

You are absolutely right, holding isn't an easy thing to do, especially if you can see the asset you are holding losing a lot of value in front of you because that will keep tickling your nerves and you would want to sell your assets so that you don't lose more value.

To be honest, I don't find it wise if a person has bought Bitcoin at a very high price, it went up a little more from there and then started dropping and they still keep holding because they could sell their assets when the price started dropping so that they could buy lower again.

Those who buy low, but keep holding when it keeps going lower have a lot of patience, undoubtedly.

I’m not sure it’s right to straightforwardly say anti-government. We are the ones putting the tag on it. The whitepaper talks about how Bitcoin removes the middleman from the equation. And it is us who decides who we want to see as the middle man. For me it’s the banks that are the middlemen and the government (because they have the power) get into the business of the bank so it seems they work together. So if your money is direct to you and no body managing it for you, only you can spill information about your account balance, and the rest there is to know.

Yes, hodling might seem so easy but actually it’s not. While majority would agree that hodling is the best guarantee to succeed for long term, but what we don’t know is that not everyone who holds end up profiting as weak hands would resort into losing their persistency and eventually lose in the end.

Yes, bitcoin holders can be trusted at some point, but not everyone is. Some can only be good at first but eventually find theirselves quitting at the end, simply because hodling is never easy as what majority believe.

Trust is a personally issue for different people. I'll give you example, there's a person that holds Bitcoin and is the most reputable guy in your relatives or friends. And there's this guy who's not into Bitcoin but isn't trusted by anyone by his family, relatives and friends.
And that's why it is a relevant subjective issue that you're bringing to whom should be trusted.

There are trustworthy people that are into Bitcoin community and there are those that you can't simply trust because they're scammers and does things illegally. That's why this question is a matter of the person you're talking to and the one you're dealing with. Whether someone is a bitcoin holder or not, if that guy is reputable, you'll trust him. Otherwise, if he does things against to the community and to other people then regardless of being a holder or not, they won't be trusted.

Own it my brethren, bitcoin is freedom for the people and the government don't really like that there's a way for the people to get out of their grasp, it's the worst of things that they try and suppress people that uses bitcoin, that's clearly an attack to our right to become an individual. Banks are an arm of the government so I think that you're still an anti-government if you seriously hate them, they're an archaic system and they need to be gone soon, they're the main reason why we have bitcoin after all, to eradicate the banking system that only benefits the few.

I wouldn’t necessarily say hate as well. I mean, if really we hate the bank then we would entire stop visiting them, but that’s ironic because you are using the fiat that comes through them anyways. So I’d rather say it’s more of being smarter than the bank and government would expect you to be. They want to have your records, but you know to use cryptocurrency, when you need to use fiat, you go through that route. And if you have the chance you’d rather use cryptocurrency for all payments and transactions. Also, Bitcoin wasn’t created to eradicate the banking system.

Well you have a point.
I can speak on my own actually I believe my self and the thing is that we need to trust ourselves, because we all bitcoin holders to each other, because I can think that majority of Bitcoin holders are not anti_government or anti_bank.

This isn't a good way to go about creating a topic. It lacks a lot of content to it and one has to go in and over his head to get what it is about to be discussed.
I'll suggest you take a close look at how other users on the forum, especially the ranked users go about topic creation and composure, it would help you a lot and your writing skills as well.

Also, do well to understand concepts and terminologies so you would know how to use them and how they apply.

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Bitcoin doesn't promote anything or type of activity, Bitcoin is just Bitcoin, a currency to be used on the web. How you choose to use it is entirely up to you.

Meanwhile,  holding and holders is just an activity that describes having to own and keep your Bitcoin over long periods. Anyone can hold Bitcoin and you don't need to trust no one for choosing to hold.

I have to agree with this. The only reason why bitcoin come into existence is to combat the main source of  wrong doings, not to be utilized actually by those bad guys around and take advantage on it. In fact, bitcoin is designed to be free from the government control, so we can take our full control with our own currency and wallet.   Although I can’t guarantee that those who sided bitcoin are all right and responsible ones, since it’s known that some bitcoin users are doing it for their personal intentions and negative interests, but majority I believe are using bitcoin for positive benefits.

I no need to trust holder to hold my btc. I believe btc is my power and decentralization economic system so that we no need to trust anyone or holder to hold btc Nothings happen govt banned or people not believe .

It is not good to judge all bitcoin users as untrustworthy just because bitcoin is against government control and traditional banks. Bitcoin is about financial freedom and making your own choices. This does not mean bitcoin users do not like governments or banks. And in my point of view government is doing their job and banking system has different way but Bitcoin has its own way. Bitcoin is separate money which only you can handle and hold. And we know many people just want different way to invest and want control of their money and Bitcoin is only way because we know Bitcoin is fully decentralized. We should not make any guess about people based on their investment choices. Some of them believe in Bitcoin and some are against it.

You are right, it's all about smart work, even if one hates the traditional financial system, one doesn't need to show that to them and act as if he is completely okay with them and their services because as you said, we still need them because you can't use Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in every place and eventually you will need to go to them to get cash so that you can run the expenses you have, so we actually need them.

It is just that we can reduce our usages with them and give them less access to our funds because we can keep most of them in cryptocurrencies now, and they wouldn't even know about it. So those who are against the banking system, they should do things smartly so that they can use both channels simultaneously.

I don't think the context is about holders holding your BTC. But it's about if you are confident with them(us) about anything that you may want to trust.

Government banning Bitcoin is possible and they're going to do that through platforms that are registered under their governance. But they cannot ban entirely the Bitcoin network.

The best they can do is to ban the centralized exchanges, and for the decentralized platforms, they can block people through their respective service providers from visiting the urls. But it will only slightly reduced the number of people who use it because those who know their way around would use a vpn, etc for that.

strange question... but but what do you mena turst bitcoin holders? If i trust people that hold bitcoin? yes of course why would I not? and what have goverments to do with the trust? strange place

What do you mean by "trust"? That could mean many things, too many. Trust them like they are good persons? Trust them like I would invite them to my home even without knowing them? Not every single bitcoiner thinks and acts the same way: some of them are more radical and others aren't; some of them think bitcoin should be the only payment method and others are ok with fiat as well. Your question is just too broad.

I mean most of us want the same thing in terms of financial stuff, we want liberation from the oppression of the conventional financial institutions and fintechs that only serve the few rich people in this world, bitcoin's proven already that it can change the life of someone that's on the brink of poverty to someone that would be able to bless others with their wealth, not to mention that the taxation, it doesn't seem fair that everything that I spend my money on, I always have to impart something to the government, there's no incentives for them to properly or appropriately spend the taxpayers' money after all so why risk it giving a lot of taxes to them when I know it will be wasted on them, might as well make the most out of it right?

Those promoters who are promoting Bitcoin as an "ANTI-BANK" or "ANTI-GOVERNMENT" might be promoting it in the wrong way.
Bitcoin wasn't created to be an anti-bank or anti-government at first place.

I mean what kind of question is that? That's a question that can't be answered at all. There are many Bitcoin holders in the world, and why are you asking if I trust them? I can't say that I don't trust them, or I trust them at all. What I will say is that I'm a Bitcoin holder. I'm neither an anti-bank nor anti-government as well.

OP's question is very strange and kind of irrelevant in some ways TBH.

hello.. yes i thinked the same as  you lol.. what a strange place this is.

It's true that I don't want to pay taxes, where news has emerged that many tax officials are corrupt. but unfortunately we are in a country where there are rules, and as citizens we have to obey them. That's what seems to make us the weakest part. The existence of Bitcoin makes it seem like we are taking us to a conventional system, but later the government will also intervene in it

Wait but why we need to be concern from this?

let the holder do their things and we should do what do we need to have in this market .

and actually in the end we will be all holders here so the question is about we need to trust ourselves ?

and bitcoin is not anti government , it is the people who treat this to use as against government or what?

As a holder, I'm not against the banks. Instead, I am against their policies. I'm not even against the banks. Rather, I am against their policy. Government, bank, or better to say governments and banks and their wrong policies

I haven't known Bitcoin to be anti-government as far as I Know, more especially that more governments everyday make it a legal tender to make it easy for people to use in their daily lives!
If you ask me, when it comes to anti government propaganda its most likely some is doing something they aren't suppose to be doing say an illegal activity which attracts the government security wings to close in...but if everything is clean then I don't find a reason to hate the government.

Bitcoin is about freedom, and if one person is doing something with their Bitcoin then it shouldn't bother you to be honest  ::) unless they need a hand to work around the crypto  jargona and what not ... otherwise if Bitcoin sells itself in the lines of privacy then it tells you what to think about hodlers.

I don't trust bitcoin holders, but i truly trust the bitcoin network and bitcoin itself, because I've learnt and seen a lot that has been in place over the adoption of this digital currency being helpful towards the general human needs in the economy and financial way of life as a whole, this alone is all about freedom to live, bitcoin holders can decide to make any thing on their own favor to achieve anything that can be detriment on others.

how do you think Bitcoin and P2P transactions can coexist with traditional banking systems in the future?

Well, just because bitcoin is anti-government, its holders as well are certainly against the government? You are wrong with that. People can be trusted not because of its beliefs and perspectives, but because of its thoughts and actions, and its decision making that reflects if he can be trusted or not. And I think siding bitcoin is never wrong and is not considered against the government activity. You can be a government servant but silently investing in bitcoin, just like those big names in the government as they might be engaging in bitcoin privately.

Just because a person is using or holding bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, he can't be termed anti-government. Bitcoin holders are common people who want to be part of an innovative technology and want to enjoy the benefits of it. It is mentioned as anti-government because the government opposes bitcoin and it wasn't able to collect taxes in a perfect way.

Governments are for the people, when they're unable to fulfill the needs of the people, they look for an alternative. Governments used to provide tax exemptions to big firms and all, what was the need for that and whether the billionaires were paying tax perfectly? Everywhere there is a flaw, and just because a person uses bitcoin, he or she shouldn't be tagged as someone who can't be trusted.

As far as I understand no one usually wants to go against the bank the problem is that the bank seems to be hesitant to adopt its policies. Listening to many people seems to have lost confidence in policy making. Banks have made their own work easier by doing one policy today changing that policy tomorrow.

Of course it is true as you said above and in my opinion BTC belongs to everyone, not just us, all elements of society, whether he is an ordinary person or a person who works in government. Regarding ownership, I don't think there is a need to be vulgar at all and if you have a lot, it will be more silent, whether it is an individual or non-government order so as not to attract attention.

There are some countries that reject BTC because of its compliance with the law but are very interested as well and support the use of Blockchain. I think it will be infected too.

I don't see this to be useful, judging trust because someone holds Bitcoin is a turn off, and seeing holders as anti-government or against bank policies is a wrong view. Wether or not we like it we are still under the government rules, the originality of Bitcoin wasn't to go against bank policies or government but was also an alternative process for transactions. In essence we should all limit our extensions to government and bank policies.

Bitcoin  was never and won't be Anti - Government.

I wouldn't even say that bitcoin is anti-government, if we talk about bitcoin in these terms it almost looks like it's something illegal or that is going to bring to some kind of revolution against the authorities. Bitcoin is simply total freedom, and you just need to trust math, not even people, who could be corrupted. Government can easily work together with bitcoin, just look at El Salvador.

Well, I am a Bitcoin holder so I did want to say we are not all like this. I am not anti governments and I am not anti banks. I do trust in myself for this reasons. We have to be very patient with our Bitcoin.

I do like what Bitcoin does have to offer. But I do not want to to overpower the powerful governments and the banking systems in this world.

Trust and ideology are different.

(btw bitcoin's core feature is that you don't have to trust anyone)

It's really confusing because even in my country the government just see Bitcoin and Bitcoin holders as some kind of threat to their system of which is a false idealogy, Bitcoin holders are just like the regular fiat holders just that in their own case they are the ones in charge of everything that has to do with their money which is kind of a threat since the government only works when the massive are controlled and manipulated to their will and desire and it's just so good that Bitcoin doesn't have any owner if not by now they would have conditioned or sanction him in a way that Bitcoin will be terminated.

Most definitely, when you lost trust of yourself as a Bitcoin holder definitely you would have others on suspect too but when trust yourself, you would not judge everyone based on how some bigots has been illiciting about the Bitcoin industry.

Right in the first place, Satoshi Nakamoto never projected that Bitcoin was to takeover the traditional currencies to be said that it is an anti Bank system, even at El Salvador that accepts Bitcoin as legal tender on the country, they did not scrap the rendering of their traditional currency.

Bitcoin has unique offers, its decentralization features and security facilities has been what has it the ability to perform those potentials tasks.
So it practically has not tailored to be an anti government technology.

I am involved in investing in Bitcoin and I am holding Bitcoin for a long time and I will hold my investment in a more long-term plan so there is nothing to distrust those who hold Bitcoin because I am involved in this work myself. What you said is that Bitcoin is anti-government in most of the countries in those countries instead of approving Bitcoin they promote various negative aspects about Bitcoin. It's not unusual to promote like this because when you transact through Bitcoin without going through a bank, the central bank will definitely suffer some financial loss which no government wants. If all the transactions are done through the bank, in this case the bank and the economic condition of that country will be good enough. But if you think bitcoin transactions are more acceptable than banks, you can trade bitcoins and hold bitcoins.

It's important to recognize that trust in any financial system, Bitcoin itself operates on a trustless system, meaning transactions can be verified without the need for trust between parties, trust in the broader cryptocurrency ecosystem may vary based on personal beliefs and risk tolerance.

I agree with you @BABY SHOES We are not anti-government and in fact we must obey government regulations that apply in each country and are also not anti-bank because it is true what you said that we really need banks for our needs. and if we stay away from the government or banks, of course that is a mistake because in my opinion, no matter what, we need banks and the government.

and of course quite a few governments also benefit from people who invest in bitcoin because in my country the government benefits from exchange taxes and in essence bitcoin has a positive impact on everyone and benefits a lot.

I personally also agree with you, yes, I also believe in the potential of bitcoin and of course bitcoin is a promising digital asset and of course bitcoin holders have the potential to gain profits. And what's unique about Bitcoin is that it has its own controls, yes, there are many other features that Bitcoin has. But of course there is always a risk of investing in BTC, but what is clear is that knowledge must be prioritized before getting involved in the world of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin holders have nothing to do with the government and their banks, they don’t hate the government but the government don’t like the way bitcoin functions and always trying to clamp down on their activities. Bitcoin does not promote anti-government or discourages the use of banks, and most bitcoin holders can be trusted base on their personal nature and encounter as a person just like any normal person. If you don’t trust a bitcoin holder, it should only be that you found something unusual from them that will make you not to trust them but not because they own some bitcoins with them. Bitcoin was invented to serve as alternative to banks and not to fight them and if the government can see it from that perspective, all will be well.

Why do you think bitcoin holders are anti-government? No they are not. Bitcoin holders do complain about the government just because the government and the banks are against bitcoin, and we know that they are doing it just for their own selfish interests, they are making people believe that bitcoin is bad and that it is only used by scammers, which is very wrong. Banks are against bitcoin because they know it’s going to kill their business. People now prefer to leave their money in bitcoin rather than keep it in banks, which is why banks are against bitcoin. So I do trust bitcoin holders, and they are not anti-government, they are just fighting for bitcoin.

Are you a holder? If you are one, then just ask yourself, do you trust in bitcoin to a point where you hold it and keep it for long term? Not all holders are keeping all their assets in one place and only Bitcoin. Many whales are businessmen and companies, either Bitcoin is their field where they do most of the transactions using it as pain payment gate, or just holding it as a saving. Sometimes, we go through hard times and we have go sell our assets and deal with life expenses, then after that you buy back another amount.
Personally, I trust Bitcoin and I keep my savings in Bitcoin form whenever I get the chance to hold. I believe also that many whales and holders have the same mentality as me, that one day Bitcoin will be the next gold and replace it, hoping we see all services, shops and transactions are made with Bitcoin.

Eventually, I would say that you shouldn’t worry much about the holders, focus on the future of this gold and take your chance to hold as well.

We have been watching Bitcoin for years. If we look at the past history of Bitcoin we can see that those who hold Bitcoin have lost and they have made huge profits. If holding it should be done long term. Never panic investing in Bitcoin. Those who can hold Bitcoin tight I believe can gain a lot from Bitcoin. There is no chance of not trusting Bitcoin holdings.  Because no one has been disappointed by holding Bitcoin so far

So far Bitcoin's journey has certainly had an impact felt by those who hold Bitcoin to date and there are some people who can hold on to their Bitcoin in the long term will certainly be able to gain profits on the investments they make, but there are some people who don't understand how it works. Bitcoin and when they try to invest and see market conditions that are undergoing a correction, of course they will panic and some will even sell again at a loss.

How do you mean by do you trust Bitcoin holders? You need to understand that any person that have Bitcoin even though it is a small portion is a Bitcoin holder. Do you intend to be a Bitcoin holder? Because I still don't understand why you think that looks like u trusted cryptocurrency. No matter your opinion or what you think about Bitcoin, the price will keep surging and more investors would always be ready to buy and hold Bitcoin. There are different ranges of holders which includes whales, sharks and many others in the market. You can also decide to be a Bitcoin holder if you don't trust other holders.

If you consider holding bitcoin anti-government, then everything you do will be against the government. It is possible to indicate that everything you do is against the government with reference to the law. To be perfect means to do different activities, you need to be moving to different countries. Because in one country, what you do is legal, whereas in the neighboring country, it'll be illegal. Another thing I don't understand is the trust used here. Is that meaning that just because a person holds bitcoin, you find trust issues with that guy? If so, please have some self examination.

Your question is a kind of confusing. But I trust bitcoin HODLers because because I am one of them. The community of bitcoin HODLers are the reason behind the tremendous growth of bitcoin because the more people HODL unto bitcoin the more they are creating scarcity in the market thereby making the growth of bitcoin faster than expected. So the HODLers are one key factor of the growth of bitcoin.

It's true that for those who are beginners and inexperienced and lack exact knowledge, when there is a correction, they always panic sell even though they are at a loss. However, for those who are experienced, of course they will not sell their Bitcoin until they make a profit, and usually beginners who don't have enough knowledge of course always want to get rich overnight and when buying BTC, they don't use money that is ready to be lost, so they end up panicking and selling it, even if they lose money. see prices go down 

and yes, so far nothing has disappointed long-term Bitcoin holders, the proof is that in the near future BTC has also touched a new ATH and of course many predict that BTC has the potential to rise even higher in price from now. To be honest, I personally as a small BTC investor don't ever disappointed holding BTC. and of course people who have held BTC from the past until now have never been disappointed even though they didn't have time to sell it during the Bull Run because the price of BTC has never been disappointed until now.

Countries that have Bitcoin legality can invest in Bitcoin with confidence and are changing their own fortunes with this Bitcoin investment. But countries that are not into Bitcoin are also investing in Bitcoin with the help of the government. But if Bitcoin is legal in all countries, it will be a big news for those who use Bitcoin. Day by day bitcoin popularity is increasing day by day so the government of the country which declares bitcoin legality must consider bitcoin.

Being a good citizen of the government does not necessarily mean that you have to follow everything that the government demands. If that’s the case, where’s the freedom there? Investing in bitcoin can never be considered an act against the government or the banks, but it’s simply our own way of motivating ourselves to find  life’s progress and financial security in the future. While bitcoin opportunities are here to make our dreams and goals happen, then taking advantage on it is the best option without ignoring the government laws that we citizens are obliged to follow.

NOPE.  This is the number one problem that I have with bitcoin, is that I simply do not trust others.  I guess you could say the same thing for anything in life, but the only fear I have with bitcoin succeeding is not trusting others to understand bitcoin.  Most just buy and hold bitcoin in order to "profit".  Every time I read "profit" on here I want to puke.  That's not what bitcoin is all about.  I wish more people would study it and actually educate themselves.

once again, each bitcoin holder has their own interests or goals, so each answer can be very varied, but why should we trust humans, the majority of bitcoin holders just want to make a profit in the future, that's why I trust bitcoin more than bitcoin holders. Bitcoin prices will never be stable, the price will continue to change up following the market trends and Bitcoin holders will alternately enter or leave the market.

You are right that bitcoin was never created to profit from off. It was dutifully created to give us the choice of having a currency we can use for transactions without the need for intermediaries. It just so happens that due to its limited supply, people found a way to make money off of it. Nowadays, people just see bitcoin as an investment opportunity. I wonder if people are actually going to soon realize that we should be using bitcoin as a payment method instead.

not everyone can be trusted, there are many people who only talk as if they are true, but when you look at them, they all lie, it's the truth, but I'm sure there are people who hold bitcoins who can be trusted, for example, my friend holds bitcoins until now and hasn't let go, it depends on the person, not everyone can be like that.

The beauty of Bitcoin is that you don't have to trust anyone, you can always verify.

Bitcoin is independent of any single person, even Satoshi Nakamoto.

Also, Bitcoin is money, it's not political. Bitcoin is for everyone.

Yep, i think same with you. They are the part of the Bitcoin Community that makes Bitcoin even more valuable. They hold Bitcoin, so they try to provide more value than some of the Bitcoin that is being traded today. So I consider them a community that has the same views and goals. Believe it? It's a little difficult to answer because your question is too abstract.

In one view I believe they believe that Bitcoin is a digital currency that has value. On the other hand, I'm not sure how these holders will be able to hold on to their Bitcoin, because I have a feeling that they will let go when they reach their target. So I need to be able to capitalize on that moment so that I don't get a loss.

Being anonymous is one of the best features of Bitcoin. There is no one to trust but the catch is holders can manipulate the price since they have a large amount of BTC. So, do we trust them? We don't know the answer and I think we just need to pretend that we trust them since we don't really who they are.

Going into bitcoin and investing on it does not mean that you are also trying to be against the government. The government cannot guarantee your financial stability so you have to find your own way and stick to bitcoin as long as it’s needed. But nevertheless, as much as you want to pursue with bitcoin, that won’t definitely mean that you’re becoming an anti-government in the process.

Hey I can't trust anyone with their bitcoin because they could fall out of love and sells of their bitcoin without your knowledge, maybe a
Government pressure or trying to limits it's holders they could feels so threaten and sells of their bitcoin just as what is happening our country today, government fighting against some centralized exchange that provides p2p trading and there could be a time where people would no longer feels secure of their investment since their may not be a way to sell it off from their hands and any little slight opportunities they could get panicked and sold off.

Have people stopped investing in bitcoins where bitcoins are not legit, nor are they investing too. I couldn't agree more with you on this because people in countries where Bitcoin is not legal are also investing heavily in Bitcoin. There are many investors who have been able to change their fortunes and the fortunes of their families by earning money from their Bitcoin investments.

I am talking about our country our country has not legalized bitcoin yet there are countless bitcoin investors in this country who own many bitcoins. So what do you say about it. Investing Bitcoin in countries where Bitcoin is illegal does not mean going against the government or bank. A country's government can never guarantee people's money.

Not anti-government at all. Government has lots of useful functions obviously. It's just not good for controlling money supply, and leaving the govt in control of money supply tends to cause lots of govt problems.

And banks perform lots of usesful services, but people should also be able to hold their own money and send their own money freely, rather than having to essentially ask banks permission to use their money and give up the authority of one's own money to a bank and ultimately govt.

You also don't have to believe everything other people say before checking the truth, but it also doesn't matter if you personally want to believe what other people have kept for a long time. Because when you say that not everyone can be trusted, you already know where to judge that person from if you already know him well, but if you don't know him better it will also be difficult for you to trust him. But in cases like this, I don't think it's a problem if you want to immediately believe what the OP says because it's about what he once had and has kept until now.

Bitcoin allows for pseudonymous transfer of money. It is not anonymous.

Basically every transaction has a unique identifier. If you somehow link your real world identity with that unique identifier, then your real identity is linked with that transaction.

For example, when you transfer from a centralized exchange into a wallet and then you send from that wallet to somewhere else using the same address, that's a clear link.

If there were no such people, BTC won't be were it is now. Even the greatest projects can be ruined by the widespread distrust. They can't be ruined forever, though. Everything that is as good as Bitcoin eventually finds a way to take its rightful and well-deserved place at the forefront of advancements beneficial to humanity. But it could happen 50 years later and many good people would not have caught the train. And Bitcoin holders either in early days or today, they have helped it to happen just at the right time.

True.

At the end of the day Bitcoin, or any project, really is only successful if people use it.

If no one cared about Bitcoin, then it doesn't matter how brilliant it is.

Literally you need a second person to run Bitcoin, it is impossible to do it by yourself.

They have to trust Bitcoin Holdings who have known about Bitcoin for a long time and have seen with their own eyes the new record ATH of Bitcoin. Only they can make a potential prediction about Bitcoin and almost everyone's prediction considers Bitcoin as a potential currency of the future. So I think almost everyone believes in holding Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin is the only coin in the crypto world that has no chance of being scammed. And its price is constantly increasing.  And even if the price falls, it is sure to recover

Trusting Bitcoin holders can be a complex issue. While many Bitcoin enthusiasts are advocates for financial independence and privacy, it’s important to recognize that individuals' motivations and behaviors can vary widely. It might be more helpful to focus on the technology and principles behind Bitcoin rather than generalizing about all holders.

Trusting the Bitcoin holders or not is simply not necessary for me, we should just do our thing and leave the rest to Bitcoin and the market speculation. By the way, if you have money in Bitcoin, you are a Bitcoin holder and no matter the amount you hold in it, it doesn't matter. Now, if you look at it critically, can you trust yourself, or can people trust you? You can see the question look somehow, it is baseless in my opinion. What matters is for us to focus on Bitcoin itself and not the actions of the holders or even the short-term buyers themselves because the investors of today may not be the holders of tomorrow, which is why the market could drop so rapidly at times, and it could happen to the tune of over $10,000 in selling in just 2 or 3 days.

Let's only do what the market is meant for. And like any other market, we should rather be the friend of our trading charts and not trust holders or even market news and events, and I can assure you if you know how to handle the chart reading and its interpretations very well that you will know the mind of the buyers and sellers of the market because the chart will always be revealing that to you. This is unless you are not a good chart reader which I advise anyone to learn since it will always be the best market guide the person will ever have and will help us stop relating relevance to what is irrelevant like the holders' remark in this context and also the external prediction reliance.

Promoting anti -government? Hey man. Bitcoin is an elctronik peer to peer cash system that makes payments easy without intermediaries or must go through third parties. Using the Bitcoin system allows people to get full control. What makes you think Bitcoin promotes anti-government, banks and others.

Submission of anti -government bitcon is only a sheep that is being carried out amidst the many people who find answers to what they want for their own money in freedom and high privacy.
In the use of Bitcoin as a currency, convenience without having to pay an ATM card, monthly cutting, transparent, is this what makes people think Bitcoin anti -bank?

It strongly believes that Bitcoin holders are intelligent people of their money.

So true. We don't need to trust anyone to invest in Bitcoin because Bitcoin was created from a combination of technology, cryptography, peer to peer file sharing, and blockchain. So with the sophistication that exists in bitcoin, why would you doubt the superiority and future of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is freedom, and this is what everyone wants. So bitcoin does not depend on anyone, including the creator of bitcoin itself, let alone bitcoin holders. Trusting Bitcoin holders makes you doubt Bitcoin's superiority, which will influence your decisions. You need to learn more about the advantages of bitcoin so that you believe in bitcoin, not in its holders.

Why is it so sure that Bitcoin is mostly anti -government and not there is also the opposite that the government is quite anti -Bitcoin journey.
Then how are the results now and whether you see the impact of the two opposite each other and if that is true what has happened now.

You know the answer and maybe we need to think further about this opposite meaning because now the availability of information makes it easy to do.

I am far more confident in myself than having to trust others in terms of financial balance and this must be seen how the problem of bitcoin is only a personal decision in carrying out investment.
Holding bitcoin for what needs and you understand or not how bitcoin can make changes for financial problems. If you know that, the Bitcoin holder should be the right step to do by each individual.

If we understand Bitcoin and have knowledge about it, we can draw conclusions so that we can easily respond to what is happening with Bitcoin. Many of them only chase profits without any basic knowledge, so they don't understand what is happening with Bitcoin, which ends up panic selling and feeling disappointed with Bitcoin. but that's what makes Bitcoin's price fluctuate. So that long-term profits, many people are starting to believe in Bitcoin

Yes, of course I trust anything concerning Bitcoin it’s just because you don’t have a deep understanding about bitcoin, but it is OK so many people don’t trust Bitcoin and it’s not a problem and even some banks don’t accept bitcoin why someone accept bitcoin it’s more not just be Aunty government banks, because some government banks to accept it but one or two issues, and some charges may result and they won’t accept it. India means of transaction, some of these new banks that does not have a multiple building the address managing the charges so that’s why they accept

That's right. I personally don't think the project as great as Bitcoin could be abandoned forever, but I do think that it could be postponed for 50 years or more. And we would not have it at our disposal yet.


Yeah, like many other good things too, Bitcoin needs supporters, and they are called "Bitcoin holders" in our case. Do we trust them? Yeah. In fact, we love them very much. :)

I don't fully trust anyone but myself I don't need to trust bitcoin hodlers because bitcoin is for enemies. As long as someone has bitcoin on-chain, then they are contributing to Bitcoin's network effect as well as supporting the price floor.

All I need to focus on is stacking as many sats as I possibly can and helping my loved ones do the same. If I am even remotely successful, it's only a matter of time before an intolerant minority of us bitcoin users all gain immense amounts of freedom and sovereignty.

I am trying to avoid the noise like the ETF and just focusing on stacking and living my best life until bitcoin pushes its way into every news headline in the world again.

Why the hate on Bitcoin holders and why call them enemies and you also hold or stake bitcoin?

I think only the whales do affect the market by manipulating the market which most time lead to the network congestion, and the ETF stuff that certainly raise the transaction fee due to congestion. Holders are also not happy with the too much network congestion because it will cause them high whenever they wants to send their bitcoin out.

Only people that hate bitcoin because they like centralized systems are to be referred as Bitcoin enemies and not the holders because the holders trust the process which is they are holding for long.

We definitely need banks to do internal transactions so we cannot directly boycott banks. Yes I am a bitcoin user but I will need to transact in a place where they won't accept bitcoin transactions and they won't accept cash either they will only transact through bank transactions but we are forced to rely on banks. 

The government should not impose such restrictions on Bitcoin users or Bitcoin investors but should make such rules that anyone can transact through any channel they want and anyone can transact through banks. 
If most of the people of the country transact through Bitcoin, then it is a loss to the bank, but if the people of the country find it easier and cheaper to transact in Bitcoin than the bank, then I think the government should not interfere so much here. 

There are some countries where all other digital currencies including Bitcoin are completely banned but still people from all these countries use Bitcoin. So since it is not possible to completely eliminate the use of Bitcoin, the government should not hinder users so much in this regard.

That's the beauty of it. There's no need to trust anyone, because with Bitcoin you can verify everything yourself.

It's basically open source money. Similar to how you can see what's going on in open source software, you can see what's going on in Bitcoin.

For example, if you have a Bitcoin deposit in one of those big companies paying you interest for holding your Bitcoin, you can see that they will start moving your coins after a while, and yet still show you in their dashboard that you still have that money.

It's the same that banks do, they get your money and charge interest to others for lending your money.

I have actually made my research and come to understand that Bitcoin doesn't really promote anti-government or whatever you think.

So for me,I think many Bitcoin holders are individuals or institutions who see value in the technology behind Bitcoin, such as blockchain, and view it as a store of value or investment opportunity. These holders may not necessarily have anti-government sentiments but rather see Bitcoin as a potential hedge against inflation or a diversification of their investment portfolio.

It is crucial to approach each situation with an open mind and consider the intentions and actions of individual Bitcoin holders rather than making generalizations based on preconceived notions. As with any financial transaction or interaction, it is essential to exercise caution, do thorough research, and take necessary precautions to protect your assets and interests.

Country like El Salvador who was the first country that made BTC legal tender in their country, and there is no anti government in their country because the government supported the existence of BTC in the country before they make it legal tender for users to use it like the way they use fiat money in the country.

But those countries BTC is not legalize, it will be difficult for BTC users to show up that they are hodlers or come out publicly to spread about BTC, and they know that the government and bank work together to reduce the interest of BTC users because they know that is helping people to grow financially on be half of the government.  

This current ATH that happened early this year in the industry, make many countries to believed that BTC is a good thing for the government to adopt so that it will develop the countries more.

Why show that you are a Bitcoin holder? Even if you are in a country where Bitcoin is legal, you shouldn't do it. it won't be good enough for you.
we cannot trust Bitcoin holders one hundred percent. we cannot convince ourselves that those who have tens to hundreds of Bitcoins in their wallets will not sell the Bitcoins they hold for a long time. but as long as market capabilities are still strong, that won't be a problem.

when countries do not accept Bitcoin and other crypto assets as payment alternatives. The government is aware that ownership of Bitcoin and crypto assets in its country is increasing. so they took a policy to designate Bitcoin and other crypto assets as digital investment assets. so the government can get benefits from taxes.

I agree with your opinion. We should not be hostile to bitcoin holders because they also definitely believe that bitcoin is an asset of the future, it's just that we don't need to trust bitcoin holders, therefore it is important for us before investing in bitcoin, we must do so. do independent research, learn more about the basics of bitcoin and study the history of bitcoin. That way we have confidence in Bitcoin and of course trust in the process.

Because bitcoin holders also take part in the rise and fall of bitcoin prices, especially whales and ETFs as you said. Just look, every time the price goes up, there will be congestion and even transaction costs will also go up. The point is in investing in bitcoin, don't trust anyone other than yourself, but also don't be hostile to bitcoin holders, especially the government which clearly wants to prevent bitcoin by wanting to control bitcoin, but in reality it also fails. So it is not surprising that Bitcoin seems anti-government and banks.

Does bitcoin truly promote anti-government and banks? According to CryptopreneurBrainboss, they will sell you a story line to control your beliefs and actions. If anyone ever desires to know what bitcoin is all about, the best place to get the first hand information is the bitcoin whitepaper. In the bitcoin whitepaper, Satoshi didn't state that the purpose of bitcoin is to fight the government and the banks, rather he created a system that will give everyone alternatives to what is in existence. Alternative means option to choose, which means liberty or freedom as anyone can say it. So, let's forget about the government's story line and pursue the main purpose of bitcoin.

Yep mate I am preciously agreeing with you that we should need to show up Bitcoin for people that we are Bitcoin Hodler because Because there are many people who are desperate to know how to find someone who has Bitcoin to hack it. My own belief is that if a person is a Bitcoin hodler, then it is not mandatory for him to show people that he has Bitcoin, or that I am a Bitcoin hodler, etc. He has his own assets. If he wants to show it to someone, it is his will and if he does not want to show it, then there is no compulsion on him. However, my opinion is that it is better not to show it to anyone because no one can be trusted, not even the people on the forum. 
 
The rest, if someone says to show to confirm whether you are a Bitcion Hodler or not, then I have the same opponion that profit or loss is mine, if I lie or tell the truth, it doesn't matter to me, so if It would be better not to tell him whether you are a Bitcion Hodler or not. Because no one is reliable in today's time.

We do not control bitcoin and neither does bitcoin control us.

The real question should have been do you trust bitcoin? which would have made more sense. Bitcoin holders are all different and bitcoin can be used according to what their goals and objectives are. Being associated to bitcoin should not mean that a person is inherently bad or evil. I believe bitcoin has some sense of neutrality to it and it depends on a person whether they can use it for the worse or for the better.

I've also said this many times bitcoin was never created to oppose or try to replace fiat or banks. But it seems there are still a lot of people who have that misconception and are still spreading it, causing misunderstanding between the government and bitcoin. Many people became so crazy about bitcoin that they began to have delusions that bitcoin would help them defeat the government's control over them. From there they thought that simply spreading these ideas would help them achieve their goals, but what they did caused misunderstandings to newbies, and even caused misunderstandings that made the government hate Bitcoin.

I don't know when the notion that bitcoin was created to replace fiat, to replace the banking system, will stop, because that's not the purpose of bitcoin. This spreading of false knowledge has never made bitcoin better than many people thought it was.

I will hit the nail on the head and state that a Bitcoin holder is as disciplined as a shaolin monk and in showing such dexterity in handling their finance to the point where they amass more wealth than can be imagined, what's there not to trust in such an ability that seems to elude many newbies and even oldies finding it hard to hold their coins.
I would even trust a Bitcoin holder to be my president because it would mean that such a person can efficiently handle the finance of the country without spending or using funds in various unscrupulous manner.

Ever. No one was reliable ever, if you think of it.

If you ask someone is he a Bitcion Hodler, you can never be sure about sincerity of his answer. Same happens when we tell someone that we have some Bitcoin. They just don't believe us, that's all.

But what we know for sure is that there are more than 200 million Bitcoin owners around the world. Is it a tiny number? I wouldn't say so. But I think it's still ten times less than what we'll see in several years. And I want to say that I trust those potential Bitcoin holders too.